They’ve already exported their nuclear program. Wasn’t North Korean nuclear proliferation a ‘red line’ for the U.S. in the past? I guess we don’t have red lines anymore.

Everything is apparently a-ok.

jenna:

Actually, I’m not so sure that this isn’t a bit of savvy politics — opens the door even wider for the U.S. to act outside of U.N. majority, and you know what they say about keeping your friends close, but your enemies even closer.

No offense, jenna, but this is the problem. The US does not fall under the direction of the UN, in any way at all. This whole idea that the US seriously looks to the UN for anything, or has to worry about acting outside of the majority, is a fairly recent invention that has no real basis in history. The UN was never a serious organization. It was used as a communication channel during the Cold War, which was the level of its competence, but other than that it was just a nice little utopian dream that people didn’t mind keeping around, like a pet. That changed with Bush Sr.

It was part of Bush Sr.’s idiotic globalist ideas (shared by all liberals and despised by most conservatives). He was the one who took the opportunity offered with the disintegration of the USSR and wasted it trying to empower the UN, which any thinking person understands is a recipe for disaster (it is always dangerous to empower any entity that is competitionless and peerless – that is basic evolutionary theory). One of the only decent things Clinton ever did was to ignore the UN, though he did it for a stupid reason that was the Euro’s responsibility. Unfortunately, Clinton served to empower the UN in other, more insidious, areas. George W. started out with an appropriate attitude toward the UN (when he threatened to leave) but just going to the UN after 9/11 was an awful mistake. In any event, the UN screwed up and Bush never carried out his threat. Instead, he took back to his father’s penchant for empowering the embarassing organization even more. Bush’s foreign policy went into total liberal collapse in his second term. This North Korea deal is just one more example.

All actions will be geared towards maintaining that deity status. That is the only thing they are capable of. So whatever they do with the nuclear material will be for that purpose.

The Deity though has his weak point. The ship Pueblo. It is maintained not as a monument to a tactical victory over the US but as a symbol of invincibility. Soon as some cheating can be confirmed, sink the Pueblo without warning.
Then open the next round of talks. Their surrender will be what will really be discussed.

In a word. No.
Yes, that’s four words.
Bite me.

Pyongyang goes into aggreement with the U.S. and other 6Party nations and the U.N. wakes up with egg on its face (once again) — and N.K. is given the choice of 1)dropping assistance to terrorist states; 2)stopping talks and facing new sanctions (which I think McCain would call for but Obama might not and I think a lot of American voters know it — so Bush may be trying to win a domestic prop here as well); 3)tries to cheat, gets caught, and then the cat’s out of the bag and they’re open to any sort of action.

And also, my Israeli friend, look at it this way — would the U.S. be better able to operate without having to deal with UN approval for everything, and would that be a better thing for Israel?

I’m not slandering the US, in fact I think the US is the greatest country on earth, if you cannot read the disapointment in my post I apologize that wasn’t clear enough, that is dispaointment that the greatest country on earth is not acting so great of late – I’m calling the policy out for what it appears to me. Are you not running from Iran? Instead of dealing with the situation the entire army retooled to MRAPS over the last 5 years, that armor was developed by Israel incidentally to help protect American boys, because we truly are #1 allies and we treasure your fighting men & women as much as our own..

If you leave it up to Israel, is that not because America is seemingly unable to handle this national security challenge? How that is slandering the USA I’m not sure, and Israel’s predicament is America’s predicament. They chant death to America in Iran, not just death to Israel, and if nukes go off they will not be limited to Israel.. I asked many questions in my post, if you want to talk about them by all means but I am the most pro-America Israeli you will find. Have you seen the way 60% of American citizens speak of America, its leader, its government? I am not the one slandering America Morton..

I don’t think I or we are desperate, we are going to have to go it alone and we will – That is I am afraid the most stinging indictment of American policy I can muster, because it means it has failed. I am disapointed, If you mix America & American policy you are making a mistake in my opinion. Policy changes every 4 years, alliances do not.

Also, the last time I checked, it’s Israel and your hideous leftist government under Olmert which is unilaterally surrendering to Islamic fascists at every turn, and acting overall like a sick old man. I wouldn’t have volunteered that assessment except for your vicious slanders against America which seem to be more a projection of your own predicament than a reflection of anything real or accurate about Israel’s staunchest ally on planet earth!

At what point exactly does America dig in its heels and get the evidence to present to the world that Iran is full bore developing nuclear weapons with N Korean assistance as late as this past September? If diplomacy is your strategy then why don’t you negotiate from strength with EVIDENCE as opposed to the never ending weakness? You are already giving in, so firmly give them more and take the spoils!? I’m having difficulty seeing the achievement here in ‘dismantling’ the N Korean program when we all openly acknowledge that the more secret parts, the MOST dangerous parts past or present will remain obscured & hidden!? It would appear that only in the small minded State Dept lackeys deskworld is this considered an achievement, perhaps I am misunderstanding but Nuclear / WMD proliferation is supposed to be the #1 threat to the USA, but that part is just going to slide?

We are receiving the message loud & clear here, we are on our own and where there used to be 2 world superpowers, that dropped to one, and now there a none because America behaves like a castration victim. You are running away from Iran in Iraq, running away from Iran in N Korea, running away from Iran in multilateral talks, running away from Iran in national security policy, it’s embarrassing. This could be ended in three days. You are cowed to even challenge Iran in the court of world opinion! Just like Mahmoud mocks every day and he is apparently right. At least when he mocks us we tell him we’re going to hit his program or kill him.

When these Islamists develop nukes in the next year and they close the straights of tiran or use other threats and oil goes to 400 the jig will be up. If you are feckless in the face of N Korea, feckless in the face of the boastful but in reality weak Iranians, you will never challenge a nuclear armed Iran and the American Empire will be over, it’s not very good news for us here in Israel. We need a strong America at our backs, not chicken little.

I’m trying to wrap my head around this ingenious strategy of ever weakening diplomacy? So we will hit Iran and do the heavy lifting, but the whole world will remember that America was sick in bed like an old man!? – It seems clear to me you will spend the next century meekly defending your interests & losing every single time. Please pass over another slice of ‘humble pie’ and get used to the fact that on the box it will say made in Iran and will cost 85 dollars. That’s the only achievement I can gleen from this glorious State Dept win. (Sorry about the length)

Ok – this person Selig Harrison is scum. Are people like this for real? This midget Kim Jong Il is a trustfundbaby who sits atop a Prison State. Somehow I think at the root of the problem is the type of imagination that, for all its verbosity, cannot under any circumstances imagine what a police state really is. It’s not possible that they can and also string together clauses like the above. It also goes a long way to understanding how they can believe the USA is a police or a fascist state: they obviously have no idea what that quantity is.

But to return to the subject of the post: what I want to know is, are we EVER going to play the game against Communists like they do? I understand we underwrite international order and have certain obligations, but come on – France doesn’t even have 150 working tanks anymore, what the f*ck do they matter? Who cares what these people think? It’s not like our obsequiousness gets us anything but more condescension and hatred anyway.

Temporarily “believe” North Korea if it advances the game vs. Nork-China-Russia-Iran in our favor, but certainly don’t *actually* believe them.

Sorry I’ll shut up now.