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		<title>By: BERLET98</title>
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		<dc:creator>BERLET98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inaugural is old gay news.  Here&#039;s some new gay news:

Gay Predators on the Loose–Again!

They’re crawling out of the woodwork again!

That’s somewhat misleading since gays haven’t crawled back under the woodwork for decades now, ever since they started feeling empowered by various state and federal legislation after they went activist following the Stonewall Riots in 1969.

They even forced the American Psychiatric Association to change its age-old designation of homosexuality from a sick aberration to simply a variation on the norm.

(See dozens of articles on this site relating to the gay scourge on society by entering “homosexuality” in the Search box.)

Well, they’re in the news.  Again.  

On Long Island, New York, one of their ilk has been caught after preying on an unknown number of high school students.  

Suffolk County cops apprehended previously convicted gay sex offender and HIV-infected Robert Musmacker of Oceanside with his pants almost literally down and with a 16 year old Brentwood boy in Musmacker’s car:  http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-libren0131,0,6967577.story.
 

After a preliminary investigation into 36 year old Musmacker’s background and his student contacts at Brentwood secondary schools, police estimated that as many as 20 students may have been “involved” with him and exposed to the HIV virus.

Brentwood Superintendent of Schools, Donna Jones, indicated that Musmacker “had been known to prey on victims as young as 12,” but did not disclose how she knew or what, if anything, she did about it.

Musmacker’s previous conviction was for sodomizing an 11 year old relative.  He served 6 years and was released in 1998:  http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-lisusp316018468jan31,0,6396200.story.  His latest victims may have “met” him via the Internet.

Meanwhile, out in the Midwest in the Chicago area–demonstrating that homosexual predators are hardly confined to New York–a 53 year old teacher at MacArthur Middle School in Prospect Heights stands accused of sexually assaulting a teenage boy.  

Richard Vos, a computer teacher and advisor to the school’s computer club, allegedly met the boy first when the boy was 13 and their “meetings” went on for a year and half...

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inaugural is old gay news.  Here&#8217;s some new gay news:</p>
<p>Gay Predators on the Loose–Again!</p>
<p>They’re crawling out of the woodwork again!</p>
<p>That’s somewhat misleading since gays haven’t crawled back under the woodwork for decades now, ever since they started feeling empowered by various state and federal legislation after they went activist following the Stonewall Riots in 1969.</p>
<p>They even forced the American Psychiatric Association to change its age-old designation of homosexuality from a sick aberration to simply a variation on the norm.</p>
<p>(See dozens of articles on this site relating to the gay scourge on society by entering “homosexuality” in the Search box.)</p>
<p>Well, they’re in the news.  Again.  </p>
<p>On Long Island, New York, one of their ilk has been caught after preying on an unknown number of high school students.  </p>
<p>Suffolk County cops apprehended previously convicted gay sex offender and HIV-infected Robert Musmacker of Oceanside with his pants almost literally down and with a 16 year old Brentwood boy in Musmacker’s car:  <a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-libren0131,0,6967577.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-libren0131,0,6967577.story</a>.</p>
<p>After a preliminary investigation into 36 year old Musmacker’s background and his student contacts at Brentwood secondary schools, police estimated that as many as 20 students may have been “involved” with him and exposed to the HIV virus.</p>
<p>Brentwood Superintendent of Schools, Donna Jones, indicated that Musmacker “had been known to prey on victims as young as 12,” but did not disclose how she knew or what, if anything, she did about it.</p>
<p>Musmacker’s previous conviction was for sodomizing an 11 year old relative.  He served 6 years and was released in 1998:  <a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-lisusp316018468jan31,0,6396200.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsday.com/news/local/suffolk/ny-lisusp316018468jan31,0,6396200.story</a>.  His latest victims may have “met” him via the Internet.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, out in the Midwest in the Chicago area–demonstrating that homosexual predators are hardly confined to New York–a 53 year old teacher at MacArthur Middle School in Prospect Heights stands accused of sexually assaulting a teenage boy.  </p>
<p>Richard Vos, a computer teacher and advisor to the school’s computer club, allegedly met the boy first when the boy was 13 and their “meetings” went on for a year and half&#8230;</p>
<p>(Read the rest of this article at <a href="http://genelalor.com/.)" rel="nofollow">http://genelalor.com/.)</a></p>
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		<title>By: BERLET98</title>
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		<dc:creator>BERLET98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something Is Amok with the (Florida) SunSentinel.com

Less than 3 months after Florida voters resoundingly defeated gay marriage in the Sunshine State comes this item from SunSentinel.com:  “Let Gays Marry, Adopt, Have Civil Unions, Most Floridians Say [emphasis added]: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/sfl-flbgay0123sbjan23,0,76194.story.

That emphasis was added due to the content of the article which goes on to say, according to a Quinnipiac poll, that 27-35% of all surveyed voters endorsed all those demands of the LGBT, Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgendered community. 

First and foremost, even 35% can hardly be construed as constituting most Floridians, unless there’s some new math out there which equates one-third with a  majority.  

Secondly, there must have been a mass upheaval over a very short timespan in the thinking of Floridians regarding gay adoption if, again according to Quinnipiac and SunSentinel.com, 55% now oppose the state law prohibiting such adoptions.  (Older, Republican, poorer, and less educated voters are said to be the bigoted culprits who still believe in traditional morality.)

Of course, depending on the poll-takers and the wording of poll questions, any poll can be skewed and that could explain Quinnipiac’s results but nothing can explain SunSentinel.com’s interpreting and reporting that a minority of Floridians means “most Floridians say.”

My personal suspicion is that an LGBT constituent is the headline writer for Sun Sentinel.
(http://genelalor.com/)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something Is Amok with the (Florida) SunSentinel.com</p>
<p>Less than 3 months after Florida voters resoundingly defeated gay marriage in the Sunshine State comes this item from SunSentinel.com:  “Let Gays Marry, Adopt, Have Civil Unions, Most Floridians Say [emphasis added]: <a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/sfl-flbgay0123sbjan23,0,76194.story" rel="nofollow">http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/sfl-flbgay0123sbjan23,0,76194.story</a>.</p>
<p>That emphasis was added due to the content of the article which goes on to say, according to a Quinnipiac poll, that 27-35% of all surveyed voters endorsed all those demands of the LGBT, Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgendered community. </p>
<p>First and foremost, even 35% can hardly be construed as constituting most Floridians, unless there’s some new math out there which equates one-third with a  majority.  </p>
<p>Secondly, there must have been a mass upheaval over a very short timespan in the thinking of Floridians regarding gay adoption if, again according to Quinnipiac and SunSentinel.com, 55% now oppose the state law prohibiting such adoptions.  (Older, Republican, poorer, and less educated voters are said to be the bigoted culprits who still believe in traditional morality.)</p>
<p>Of course, depending on the poll-takers and the wording of poll questions, any poll can be skewed and that could explain Quinnipiac’s results but nothing can explain SunSentinel.com’s interpreting and reporting that a minority of Floridians means “most Floridians say.”</p>
<p>My personal suspicion is that an LGBT constituent is the headline writer for Sun Sentinel.<br />
(<a href="http://genelalor.com/)" rel="nofollow">http://genelalor.com/)</a></p>
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		<title>By: josiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>josiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right; he&#039;s not throwing them under the bus; in fact, &quot;his band&quot; is playing in the inaugural parade.  Obama on the down low . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right; he&#8217;s not throwing them under the bus; in fact, &#8220;his band&#8221; is playing in the inaugural parade.  Obama on the down low . . .</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a non-practicing anything, I find it curious that there is a huge uproar about Warren but it was all apologetics, &#039;aint no thing but a chicken wing&#039; when it came to Wright.  

He&#039;s giving an invocation, people, not part of Obama&#039;s cabinet.  Hell, he&#039;s not even his pastor.  One sermon and he&#039;s outta there.  Big damn deal.  Think that he&#039;s going to be preaching about homosexuality or anything sexaul at all?  Highly doubtful.  LMAO

As a real moderate, I find the concept of &#039;tolerance&#039; extremely amusing when it comes to the left.  &quot;We&#039;ll tolerate anything alternative, but horrors!  we can&#039;t tolerate anything boring and Christian&quot;.

I&#039;ll believe in left wing tolerance the day that Rick Warren gives his invocation and no one on the left goes &#039;BOOGEYMAN&#039;!  

Not holding my breath.  In fact, I&#039;m certaint that somewhere there will be idiots with signs, protesting this event.

I would offer up that we&#039;re still at war in two countries and our economy is in the proverbial toilet.  Perhaps we&#039;ve got bigger things to worry about then some guy&#039;s 10 minute prayer...which, I predict, will be kind, hopeful and short.  

Tempest in a teapot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a non-practicing anything, I find it curious that there is a huge uproar about Warren but it was all apologetics, &#8216;aint no thing but a chicken wing&#8217; when it came to Wright.  </p>
<p>He&#8217;s giving an invocation, people, not part of Obama&#8217;s cabinet.  Hell, he&#8217;s not even his pastor.  One sermon and he&#8217;s outta there.  Big damn deal.  Think that he&#8217;s going to be preaching about homosexuality or anything sexaul at all?  Highly doubtful.  LMAO</p>
<p>As a real moderate, I find the concept of &#8216;tolerance&#8217; extremely amusing when it comes to the left.  &#8220;We&#8217;ll tolerate anything alternative, but horrors!  we can&#8217;t tolerate anything boring and Christian&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll believe in left wing tolerance the day that Rick Warren gives his invocation and no one on the left goes &#8216;BOOGEYMAN&#8217;!  </p>
<p>Not holding my breath.  In fact, I&#8217;m certaint that somewhere there will be idiots with signs, protesting this event.</p>
<p>I would offer up that we&#8217;re still at war in two countries and our economy is in the proverbial toilet.  Perhaps we&#8217;ve got bigger things to worry about then some guy&#8217;s 10 minute prayer&#8230;which, I predict, will be kind, hopeful and short.  </p>
<p>Tempest in a teapot.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that these left wing so called gay advocacy groups do not represent me!  My life does not revolve around the over paid Chelsea and WeHo activists who are completely out of touch with mainstream gays and lesbians.  HRC, GL Task Force and the other out of touch gay organizations are running a scam on glbt&#039;s around this country.  They claim to speak for all of us.  They want our money and support, but use that money to fund high priced dinners with left wing nut job actors tooting their horns.  When they get around to actual representing all glbt&#039;s in this country then I will support them.  Until then stop whining about Warren.  I would much rather have him doing the prayer than Media Queens Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton!  

I have seen such disgusting HATE from gay groups lately against Christina and anyone who disagrees with them that it is appalling.  It&#039;s no wonder mainstream society still is leery of gays, when we have morons in leadership positions spewing their own brand of hatred.  

Proudly gay, proudly out, proudly married, proudly Christian in a leadership position!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that these left wing so called gay advocacy groups do not represent me!  My life does not revolve around the over paid Chelsea and WeHo activists who are completely out of touch with mainstream gays and lesbians.  HRC, GL Task Force and the other out of touch gay organizations are running a scam on glbt&#8217;s around this country.  They claim to speak for all of us.  They want our money and support, but use that money to fund high priced dinners with left wing nut job actors tooting their horns.  When they get around to actual representing all glbt&#8217;s in this country then I will support them.  Until then stop whining about Warren.  I would much rather have him doing the prayer than Media Queens Jessie Jackson or Al Sharpton!  </p>
<p>I have seen such disgusting HATE from gay groups lately against Christina and anyone who disagrees with them that it is appalling.  It&#8217;s no wonder mainstream society still is leery of gays, when we have morons in leadership positions spewing their own brand of hatred.  </p>
<p>Proudly gay, proudly out, proudly married, proudly Christian in a leadership position!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand what the big brouhaha is about. 

As a gayly married man in Massachusetts, I couldn&#039;t care less if anyone opposes Gays marrying. 

You think homomarriages make Jesus angry ? Fine. Then don&#039;t have them in your church. 

Look at the Catholics. They don&#039;t think non-Catholics should be allowed to marry Catholics, so what do they do? Simple. They don&#039;t marry non-Catholics in their churches. Do they go to the government saying &quot;we have to ban non-Catholic marriage in the constitution. For the last 10,000 years, we&#039;ve only had Catholics getting married. Human civilization has depended on it, and letting non-Catholics marry will destroy the planet&quot; ? No.

In my Jewish congregation, we think same-sex marriage is wonderful. I was in a Jewish same-sex wedding not too long ago. Hundreds of relatives and a rabbi were there, many of whom had also had Jewish weddings. We all have legal marriage licenses, and we don&#039;t understand why Goyim who don&#039;t go to our shul should even care what our marriages are like. I&#039;m sure it works the other way around -- that the Catholics aren&#039;t keeping themselves up all hours of the night worrying about who got hitched at Temple Sinai last weekend.

To each his own. That&#039;s how we do it in America.

So, why should the government get involved in the first place? Why should a couple of people at Rick Warren&#039;s TV church control the policy affecting everyone else&#039;s congregation? 

In Massachusetts, churches who don&#039;t want to marry Gays don&#039;t have to, but churches who do, can. Congregations and individuals have a choice. Free to marry or not marry. Easy.

I&#039;m personally not bothered at all with what Rick Warren believes. He probably believes in the Easter Bunny and Mr. Hanky too, but he&#039;s probably a nice guy for the most part. Maybe not the smartest man, certainly not the best-looking man, but probably a nice one. 

Where he crosses the line is when he tries to use the government to enforce his personal religious beliefs. To me, the genius of this country, the reason why we have so many healthy religious communities in the first place, is because the government stays out of religion. If Rick Warren wants to legislate religion as he sees it, it&#039;s a two-way street. Before long, the government will show up and start managing your Gospel. Is that what you want? Affirmative action eucharist?

Don&#039;t say I didn&#039;t warn you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what the big brouhaha is about. </p>
<p>As a gayly married man in Massachusetts, I couldn&#8217;t care less if anyone opposes Gays marrying. </p>
<p>You think homomarriages make Jesus angry ? Fine. Then don&#8217;t have them in your church. </p>
<p>Look at the Catholics. They don&#8217;t think non-Catholics should be allowed to marry Catholics, so what do they do? Simple. They don&#8217;t marry non-Catholics in their churches. Do they go to the government saying &#8220;we have to ban non-Catholic marriage in the constitution. For the last 10,000 years, we&#8217;ve only had Catholics getting married. Human civilization has depended on it, and letting non-Catholics marry will destroy the planet&#8221; ? No.</p>
<p>In my Jewish congregation, we think same-sex marriage is wonderful. I was in a Jewish same-sex wedding not too long ago. Hundreds of relatives and a rabbi were there, many of whom had also had Jewish weddings. We all have legal marriage licenses, and we don&#8217;t understand why Goyim who don&#8217;t go to our shul should even care what our marriages are like. I&#8217;m sure it works the other way around &#8212; that the Catholics aren&#8217;t keeping themselves up all hours of the night worrying about who got hitched at Temple Sinai last weekend.</p>
<p>To each his own. That&#8217;s how we do it in America.</p>
<p>So, why should the government get involved in the first place? Why should a couple of people at Rick Warren&#8217;s TV church control the policy affecting everyone else&#8217;s congregation? </p>
<p>In Massachusetts, churches who don&#8217;t want to marry Gays don&#8217;t have to, but churches who do, can. Congregations and individuals have a choice. Free to marry or not marry. Easy.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m personally not bothered at all with what Rick Warren believes. He probably believes in the Easter Bunny and Mr. Hanky too, but he&#8217;s probably a nice guy for the most part. Maybe not the smartest man, certainly not the best-looking man, but probably a nice one. </p>
<p>Where he crosses the line is when he tries to use the government to enforce his personal religious beliefs. To me, the genius of this country, the reason why we have so many healthy religious communities in the first place, is because the government stays out of religion. If Rick Warren wants to legislate religion as he sees it, it&#8217;s a two-way street. Before long, the government will show up and start managing your Gospel. Is that what you want? Affirmative action eucharist?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t warn you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28Lorenzo: lots of cultures have not had same sex marriage.  Lots of cultures have had same sex relationships that were ignored or accepted.  Two quite different things.

What the same sex marriage proponents don&#039;t seem to realize is that calling such an arrangement a marriage doesn&#039;t make it one any more than me going into the garage makes me a car.  Sorry to go back to that old basic illustration, but when the language is SO being lost, the old basic illustrations are helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28Lorenzo: lots of cultures have not had same sex marriage.  Lots of cultures have had same sex relationships that were ignored or accepted.  Two quite different things.</p>
<p>What the same sex marriage proponents don&#8217;t seem to realize is that calling such an arrangement a marriage doesn&#8217;t make it one any more than me going into the garage makes me a car.  Sorry to go back to that old basic illustration, but when the language is SO being lost, the old basic illustrations are helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 13:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lots of cultures have had same-sex marriage.&quot;

Name one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lots of cultures have had same-sex marriage.&#8221;</p>
<p>Name one.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 03:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lorenzo (#28):

Got some proof of that claim? Any reading of history not tainted with Boswell-like rewriting showsthey were few, far-between, and very specifically limited to certain ritualistic practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorenzo (#28):</p>
<p>Got some proof of that claim? Any reading of history not tainted with Boswell-like rewriting showsthey were few, far-between, and very specifically limited to certain ritualistic practices.</p>
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		<title>By: lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>lorenzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice if the &quot;marriage is always between a man and a woman&quot; falsehood would not get trotted out again and again.  Lots of cultures have had same-sex marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice if the &#8220;marriage is always between a man and a woman&#8221; falsehood would not get trotted out again and again.  Lots of cultures have had same-sex marriage.</p>
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