Obama and Munchausen’s Syndrome By Proxy
Making the patient sick in order to aggrandize power? That might explain the president's policies.
There is a peculiar and rare form of mental illness called Munchausen’s syndrome by proxy (MSBP). The afflicted is generally a parent, and in the vast majority of cases the biological mother.
But the person really afflicted is the child of the parent, because the syndrome causes the parent to make the child appear to be sick. In more extreme cases, the parent actually make the child sick by poison or other means, often to the point of killing it. (A famous example of it in popular culture is shown in the movie The Sixth Sense, in which a mother repeatedly gives poison to her child, who later provides video evidence of her slow murder from beyond the grave.)
Doctors are taught to watch for the syndrome in medical school. Among the signs are:
- Illness is multisystemic, prolonged, unusual, or rare.
- Symptoms are inappropriate or incongruent.
- Symptoms disappear when parent or caretaker is absent.
- Parent is overly attached to the patient.
- Patient has poor tolerance of treatment (e.g., frequent vomiting, rash, problems with intravenous lines).
- Parent encourages medical staff to perform numerous tests and studies.
- General health of the patient is inconsistent with results of laboratory tests.
- Parent shows inordinate concern for feelings of the medical staff.
Another key feature is that the fabricated symptoms are observed only by the mother. It remains unclear what motivates sufferers of MSBP to harm their children in this way, or what benefit they derive from it. Perhaps it’s a means of gaining attention.
But what should we think when we see the same phenomenon on a much grander scale — when instead of a mother fabulizing symptoms or poisoning her child, an entire political class in power spouts nonsense about the state of a great nation’s economy and the causes for it, and then treats it with long-failed nostrums almost guaranteed to make the situation worse by any rational economic analysis? What to think when the stock market rises when the president is out of the country (”the patient improves in the absence of the parent”)?
All through last year, the Democrats insisted that the economy was tanking as a result of “tax cuts” and “deregulation,” though there’s not a single instance in the history of the world in which reducing tax rates caused a recession. They could never point to any particular thing that was “deregulated” during the Bush presidency (and they in fact fought against administration suggestions of stricter regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). They started talking down the economy last summer, and Senator Schumer almost singlehandedly caused the collapse of IndyMac, a key harbinger of what was to come, with some ill-chosen words a year ago.
The president continues to insist that private health care is a root cause of our problems, and that the economy cannot recover properly until the health insurance industry is overhauled to his specifications. This ignores the healthy economy we’ve enjoyed over much of the past three decades with the current system. He claims that we can somehow spend our way out of national penury with plans to vastly explode the federal debt over the next several years. This would make budget surpluses a quaint artifact of history and surely result in higher interest rates, more inflation, or (as we saw in the late seventies) both simultaneously. In other words, the symptoms are “inappropriate” and “not congruent” with the diagnosis.
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1. Realist:The Obamanations message to America can be paraphrased from the one which Mark Antony said about Ceasar ‘ I come to bury America not to praise it’ and all his actions since election just confirm it.
Jun 22, 2009 - 2:14 am 2. Rachel Peepers:For months now I’ve been saying every misguided Barack policy isn’t misguided at all. It’s intentional.
Obama is out to change the country.
From strong to weak.
From rich to poor. From financially stable to bankrupt.
From moral to post moral relativist. From constitution- following to constitution-shredding. (the second, first and 14th amendments Obama wants to weaken, at best; destroy at worst. Sotomayor, the supreme court nominee socialist, is a big puzzle piece changing the United States into his own image and likeness.
And the change goes down disgusting paths, pitting family against American family.
From a populace that’s respectful of wealth to using wealthy people as scapegoats for the problems of the poor.
From the country that’s the leader of the free world to having a second rate military whose new hi tech weaponry Obama is cancelling wholescale.(of course, not reported by the press)
From a country with a defense shield to a country with no defense shield. From tight airport and border security, to loose security.
From keeping attacks overseas to inviting attacks on free American soil.
From killing 3.1 million unborn per annum to slaughtering 3.5 per year.
From unrationed health care to government rationed health care.
From racial equality to black supremacy.
I read in the paper Barack’s popularity is starting to slide. Well, it’s about time. His policies are ruinous. His cabinet is corrupt; and not just because they avoid paying taxes (rahm immanuel with a chicago house being one of the biggest offenders.) His vice president is inept, willy nilly giving away state secrets.
From a press that’s at least tried appear to be acting fair to one that admits it wants to work for Obama and see his freedom-killing policies succeed. The people at NBC and MSNBC should be put up on ethics charges, and drummed out of journalism.
From a nation with a chance to become energy independent to one that’s squandering it’s window of opportunity.
Barack made a lot of campaign noise about energy independence. Now he’s quiet as a mouse.
Let’s fact it, Obama is a disgrace. A tyrant whose got his hooks in America and is pulling her head underwater so she drowns, weighed down by cement shoes: his socialist plots and schemes.
This isn’t a Rachel overstatement or rant. It’s the rock solid truth. The more people realize what a snake in the grass Obama is, the more people will come to detest even the sound of his voice.
I won’t call Barack our private hell or Hitler. You have to decide just how evil this creature is for yourself. But I can’t say I was surprised that Obamas’ popularity is starting to slip. How long could it stay up when the creep is trying to make us a second rate miliary power by dumping the defense shield, and bankrupting our children with a national debt that his risen higher in four months than it did in the past 234 years.
Obama hated the surge. The surge won the war in Iraq. Obama hated our military defense shield. Now we need it more than ever with North Korea buzzing Hawaii and Iran threatening to exterminate Israel. Don’t swallow Barack’s moral relativism; there is a right and wrong. It’s wrong to try to destroy America. It’s wrong to allow a standing President to spit in the face of his oath of office. Protect, preserve and defend the constitution. Wasn’t that the oath? Then he proceeds to neuter our military. Bankrupt our country. And with Sotomaoyers’ help, rewrite the constitution in Barack’s image and likeness. The time is now to stand up for your country or watch it crumble as each day Barack’s henchmen chop away at another piece of it’s foundation.
America. We must take a stand.
Jun 22, 2009 - 2:14 am 3. Ed Wallis:Dependency.
Democrats simply swim in the stuff.
See welfare.
More dependent needy, more votes for the “dealer”.
Sick.
Jun 22, 2009 - 2:15 am 4. Laugh:Humor..
Sort of like when you’re overwhelmed by the cubicle warfare that goes on in every office environment.
The best medicine is to understand that everything is nothing more than a big game. To preserve your sanity just pretend that the establishment guys (and gals) are all naked, have big ears and are wearing one of those Mr. Rogers beanie caps with a propeller on it.
There they all sit at that enormous oval mahogany conference table with their outstanding lack of glory revealed. Who would have thought that the least amongst them would be the hmmm, ugh, er the “big guy” himself?
It’s my turn now. Me too. I want some. She didn’t. Oh yes the bitch did. Sir. Sir. Listen to me. Can I talk to you after your meeting? Agghh… the shakers and makers that are moving the companies in our country forward..
While, outside in the real world, real terrorists with real knives slit real human beings throats and make ready to drop real bombs….
Jun 22, 2009 - 3:15 am 5. David Thomson:“Well, the contents of the bottle from the traveling Obama/Reid/Pelosi medicine show turned out to be arsenic”
Investors will refuse to risk their money if they know the government may very stab them in the back. Changing the rules in the middle of the game discourages further participation. The exploding deficits guarantee rapidly increased inflation. There is no way that the economy can truly revive when people are so fearful. Either Barack Obama loses—or the country loses. Both cannot be winners.
Jun 22, 2009 - 3:17 am 6. Conservative1:Obama is the worse thing to have happened to this country.
Thank you Democrats. Thank you Independents. Thank you Republicans that “stayed home.”
Jun 22, 2009 - 3:39 am 7. Meryl:Sounds like the 83 year old “minister mentor” Singapore a few years back.
Singapore had clean streets and no gum chewing (and whipped the tourists who screwed up) because they also this neurotic, no-longer-in-office, power-hungry fool (Lee Kwan Yew) who kept on “tweaking things” because he was “the only one who understands what Singapore needs.”
(Read all about it in Paul Theroux’ “Ghost Train to the Eastern Star”, 2008)
Theroux also documents that “Lee had famously praised the Chinese in 1989 for brutally suppressing, shooting, and imprisoning the demonstrators in Tiananamen Square…(his)uncompromising approval of this cruelty had frightened Singaporeans to such an extent that similar demonstrations had nevere occurred” there.
A contemporary observer said of Lee, “He’s very shrewd…think of the Machiavelli line about ‘economy of violence.’ Kill a chicken to scare the monkeys, the Chinese disciplinarians say.”
What our TOTUS POTUS is doing (nothing, basically) about the situation in Iran suggests to me that he definitely does have a policy concerning the “economy of violence.”
This Munchausen’s illustration is very helpful in defining what we’re dealing with.
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:00 am 8. Gary Ogletree:It may depend on how many Democrats see that Obama is killing the golden goose. When the money dries up or it’s on par with the peso, lights may come on.
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:32 am 9. David Thomson:“Thank you Republicans that “stayed home.”
I voted for John McCain—but I’m glad he lost the election. He’s simply too goofy and would destroy the Republican Party. Barack Obama will probably not get his major programs passed in congress. The fact that McCain is a Republican would have placed GOP elected officials is an awkward position. A lot of the silliness like perhaps Cap and Trade proposed by the current president would make it into law. Nope, I would much rather take my chances with opposing Obama.
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:51 am 10. Meryl:8. Gary Ogletree
Yes….and I wonder what we will end up learning as we watch this process.
How many Democrats will turn out to be American at the core, who just can’t resist fighting for her when the chips are down?
How many of them will indeed turn out to be so naive and uninformed that they just can’t “make the break”?
How many of them will, under cover of the TOTUS POTUS’ flying colors, now allow themselves to be seen as being just like him, ready, willing and able to bring destruction on us for the sake of them increasing their personal political power?
I still maintain that some Democrats really are Americans first and just don’t dare say so yet. But time is running out.
Jun 22, 2009 - 5:08 am 11. Adina Kutnicki,Israel:It is very possible that most sick parents who suffer from Munchausen’s are also suffering from other forms of controlling personality disorders.
In fact, by being in control of their child’s ‘illness’, they fantasize they can control ALL aspects of their being, unable to do so if their child were normal and healthy.
So, IF the goal of Obama & his benefactors is ultimate control-by the gov’t pulling the purse strings tighter or looser-then surely its Dear Leader should be viewed as a control freak.
In the business world micro managers have often be accused of out of control & high handed tactics,bosses to be cautious about crossing at all costs. Surely a business manager can not wreck the same havoc as the the President of the US.
In tandem with the above, Munchausen patients are highly image conscious, as they preen before the medical community, polishing the halo around their parental image.
It has become painfully clear that Obama is a blank slate, in ways too numerous to count. From his noticeable lack of achievements in the political arena(as a junior, unknown Senator barely out of his political diapers)to his lack of personal records, a first for ANY US president in history,he is able to be ALL things to ALL people. The power this gives him to be The One, the one who fulfills all their dreams is especially intoxicating to a sufferer from Munchausen-control & more control.
For a man who sees his image as the most important part of his persona,where arrongance & swagger are always at the fore, it seems obvious that he also suffers from narcissism personality disorder.
In essence, the leader of the free world is most likely a mentally unstable man, albeit a VERY clever poser.
I would not be surprised if in a relatively short time, the man who is seen as Mr Cool becomes unraveled in some very dangerous ways.
Jun 22, 2009 - 5:23 am 12. David Thomson:“I would not be surprised if in a relatively short time, the man who is seen as Mr Cool becomes unraveled in some very dangerous ways.”
I doubt very much that Barack Obama will finish his term. He will likely resign due to “medical reasons.” Obama has had a very easy life since his teen years. He barely had to put in any real effort to get so much in return. It is very doubtful that he can handle failure. His dropping poll number will upset him greatly.
Only race guilt explains Obama’s rapid rise in politics. This is a man who has almost zilch executive experience. He did not even complete his first term in the U.S. Senate. Never before in the history of the United States has a president entered office so unprepared. I can’t think of even one exception. Obama’s resume is so slim that if a white man with similar credential had competed for the Democratic Party nomination in 2008—that gentleman would have been ridiculed as an ego tripping whack job.
Jun 22, 2009 - 5:40 am 13. tanstaafl:…the fatal conceit to think that they can tinker it (the economy) back to “health” with policies that just happen to coincide with their political preferences to increase their power and control over it and the American people?
That’s a good diagnosis of what’s going on.
After the election and before taking office, this President said that our (economic) problems are such that the federal government is the only entity capable of fixing them.
Inside that version of reality, several personality traits are evident, Obama’s belief that he and his minions own it all, his liking to dwell on Himself as Fixer, and a kind of negativity about this country, freedom & free enterprise.
(Small thinking, measures of deepening control & limitation of others are very much the community organizer mentality.)
And when the policies crap out ? You’ve got Joe Biden saying “we guessed wrong” or Obama or Geithner saying “the problems (we inherited them, don’t blame us !)were deeper than we thought”.
Power over it through killing it, Munchausen’s works.
Jun 22, 2009 - 5:41 am 14. ~Paules:I think simple explanations are probably closer to the mark. A) Mr. Obama does not know the consequences of his policies because his post-modern education amounts to very little real knowledge. B) Nobody close to Mr. Obama has the courage to contradict him for fear of losing his favor. C) The constant adulation of the press and other sycophants has Mr. Obama believing that he’s infallible. HIs fall will be hard when the time comes.
Jun 22, 2009 - 5:49 am 15. JHM dba ''Paul Dukas":Pajamatarian #3 is just what the doctor prescribed — except for the minor detail that Pajamatarian #0 (Neocomrade R. Simberg) is only another kiddie konservative playin’ at political quackery to assist his Party of Big Management and his AEIdeology, by no means the real M.D. article.
From the trajectory of #3’s jerked knee — “Aha! DEPENDENCY! _Habemus reum confitentem_!” — the serious student of neocomradology can compute backwards to which GOP genius of a sorcerer it is to whom R. Simberg has apprenticed himself. Who, if not
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Murray_(author)
Neocomrade Prof. Dr. Ch. A. Murray, co -inventor or -discoverer of the ever-immortal Herrnstein-Murray Curve®
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(Pat. Pend.), can be the genuine GOP genius that lurks in shadow behind the shallow wombscholasticism of R. Simberg?
In addition to bein’ an apprentice rather than a full-fledged _magister goëtiæ_, R. Simberg is a practitioner of *applied* AEIdeology, whereas Ch. A. Murray is an Ivy-Tower theorist. [1]
Without definite evidence, one ought not to suppose that the Neocomrade Fellow Prof. Dr. himself approves or endorses or authorizes the way volunteer wombscholars and _Niedergedümmte_ and hired-hand pajamatarians choose to deploy Dependency Theory. “No warranties, expressed or implied,” don’t you know?
Bein’ a wombscholar, R. Simberg is unsurprisin’ly more than a bit of a muddlehead as well. His crucial divagation from _echt_ Murrayanity is that he wants to make out that the fiends of dependency are fiendish ON PURPOSE: “The monsters who run the Demoncrat Party know very well that they are peddling political and social heroin, so please spare us plain-spoken holy-Homelanders™ any Ivy-Tower mumblin’s about ‘unanticipated consequences’!” (So to speak.)
Naturally one can never put one’s whole heart and mind into one’s task when one makes up slogans for the neocomradely community and the Big Party base ’n’ vile _ab externo_. Yet I flatter myself that that stab at it makes the “on purpose” point sufficiently plain. Compare and contrast the stab of Neocomrade R. Simberg:
“The real problem … is not the economy, but the people who have what Hayek called the ‘fatal conceit’ to think that they can tinker it [’a major company’] back to ‘health’ [the neocomrade’s own shudder-quotes] with policies that just happen to coincide with their political preferences to increase their power and control over it and the American people? How long will the electorate put up with being operated on by the Three Stooges?”
Persons not intellectually up to crossin’ the street unassisted would do well to leave sarcasm alone. (Also Freiherr Freddy von Hayek)
The present _señorito_’s “just happen to coïncide” makes it impossible to be certain (in isolation) that it would not admit that wimpy plea of “unanticipated consequences.” The nasty rest of this nastygramme strongly suggests that it would not admit. On the other hand, if the President and the general run of decent political grown-ups are indeed deliberately trying to smash the holy Homeland™ by overthrowing Lord Mammon, then, by the neocomrade’s own account, we are succeeding far, far better than one would get from the Three Stooges. [2]
In short, Neocomrade R. Simberg is so incompetent a sorcerer’s apprentice that any nasty spirits he does manage to summon up are likely enough to drown him rather than inundate the intended enemies of Big Party and AEIdeology.
Why, this poor little neo-laddie cannot even utter the words of the Murrayite spell clearly and distinctly and beyond all possible mistakin’! ’Twould serve him right if . . . . [3]
Happy days.
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[1] Well, Ch. A. Murray started out Ivy Tower, anyway, according to the learned wikipædiatricians:
“Murray credits the SAT with helping him get out of Newton and into H*rv*rd. “Back in 1961, the test helped get me into H*rv*rd from a small Iowa town by giving me a way to show that I could compete with applicants from Exeter and Andover,” said Murray. “Ever since, I have seen the SAT as the friend of the little guy, just as James Bryant Conant, president of H*rv*rd, said it would be when he urged the SAT upon the nation in the 1940s. Murray obtained a B.A. in history from H*rv*rd in 1965 and a Ph.D. in political science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1974 …
[and from MIT a Gadarene-swine-like downhill rush to]
… a fellow of the American Enterprise Institute since 1990.”
[2] I should guess that this is only the standard or boilerplate muddleheadedness of rabid partisans: the GOP base ’n’ vile dearly wish everybody on all their innumerable enemies lists to be both a fool and a knave, which is exactly like them wishin’ to eat their cake and have it too. ’Tis reasonable enough to wish for such products, perhaps, but a sure sign of wombscholarship or worse to expect ever to actually purchase them.
[3] “If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all.”
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:05 am 16. Don Meaker:The sad thing is that he also intends to shred the 13th Amendment. Srart by enslaving financial workers, by denying them the bonuses that they earned after working for a dollar a year. Soon go to enslaving doctors and nurses. The rest of us will come along later.
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:09 am 17. Ms. Attitude:I’ve been wanting to say this for a very long time. Now with his approval rating falling I will say it.
To all of you who voted for OBAMA: “I TOLD YOU SO!”
And why the hell did we allow ACORN to put McCain on the Republican ticket? The Republicans need to have closed primaries!
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:21 am 18. The Infidel Alliance:This is an interesting analysis.
I spent the time to analyze Islam’s “holy prophet” Muhammed, and found him to be a sadistic sociopathic murdering barbarian. It was there, in black & white, in the Islamic source texts, the Koran, hadith, sira.
There is a lot of smoke around Mr. Obama. I want to cut through the smoke and get to the source documents. But unlike the Koran, Obama’s documents are unavailable, missing, hidden.
I was born in Hawaii the same year as Obama, and my birth certificate looks nothing like that thing he posted on the internet. He probably was born in Hawaii, but if so, why won’t he simply release the actual document? What is he hiding?
How DID he get to Pakistan as a young man with no money? Wo paid for the trip? What passport DID he use? What is he hiding?
Where are his school records? Locked away. WHY?? What is he hiding?
Eventually, the truth about Obama will come out, just as the truth about Muhammed did. And I have an uneasy feeling our suspicions about this enigma of a man will all be proven right.
His nationality? His religion? His political views? How he really feels about America? What is in those Obama source documents? WHAT IS OBAMA HIDING?
~ The Infidel Alliance
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:45 am 19. Delia:“We don’t know for sure why a mother would poison her child, but it’s a lot easier to diagnose why politicians might want to tank the economy while blaming their political opponents’ policies for it.”
HA! Ain’t dat da troof! I wholeheartedly concur.
Btw, that picture of DohBama as Mr. Ed is freakin’ HILARIOUS. He looks like he needs a bale of hay.
*cough-laugh-sputter*
ANYWAY, the author [Mr. Simberg] is right and he used an excellent analogy. -And, I’m with Rachel P. on this too, Doh is a disgrace to our Country. It’s pretty scary [really] to see how fast [break-neck speed] this cretin is tearing US apart and grinning, giggling, wining and dining high on the hog whilst scattering our ashes with a twinkle in his eye.
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:48 am 20. The Shadow:Ms Attitude – falling to 63% Check the rating fo the Republicans in congress 22%. Which level of support would you rather have?
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:49 am 21. ked5:I think it’s wrong to give psychological excuses for what he is doing. (munchausen, narcissim, or megalomania) He is not mentally ill, and doing so implies he is not in control of himself or guilty for the *deliberate actions* he is taking to *destroy* this country.
He is evil – he is seeking to subvert the freedom of the people of this country to pursue “happiness” (re: Jefferson) in “just living” (re: Dr. Zhivago)
His sole goal is to destroy the country so he can be dictator-in-chief. He is doing *exactly* what he wants to do.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:05 am 22. Delia:17. Ms. Attitude:
“And why the hell did we allow ACORN to put McCain on the Republican ticket?”
It’s an ominous reminder of just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Welcome to the Matrix.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:08 am 23. Paul of Alexandria:Gary Ogletree (8):
The problem is that although they are screwing small business, the Dem’s seem to be in bed with large business (Hey, I thought that that was the Republican’s prerogative!) For instance, GE – a manufacturer of wind turbines – is a major supporter of “green energy”. GE is also a major maker of medical and medical information systems. Guess who is supporting the whole national health-care initiative?
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:09 am 24. ked5:18. The Infidel Alliance:
What passport DID he use?
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Not an American one, that would have raised a red flag with the US State Dept.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:14 am 25. ked5:20. The Shadow:
Ms Attitude – falling to 63% Check the rating fo the
~~
Oh shadow – you really need help. Rasmussen is actually LEGIT, unlike wherever you get your numbers. here’s *todays* number.
Presidential Approval Index rating of -1. Today is the second straight day the President’s rating has been below zero
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:18 am 26. tanstaafl:What is…
#15 talking about ?
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:19 am 27. JED:Popularity has little to do with capability. In the backstage magic of Hollywood, they can make Brad Pitt look like Achilles.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:21 am 28. Rand Simberg:Team Obama has a way of offering their sick clients medications before a proper diagnosis. First “everything is wrong” with them, and a large infusion of cash and federal control is the cure. That is cookbook, political playbook medicine.
A startling Obama quote and perspective from the campaign went like this: “Americans use too much energy. The people of third world nations would be embarrassed at your SUVs.”
Does that mean that to level the playing field, to redistribute the wealth is to make the 3rd world happier by bringing the U.S. to their level?
The goal of politicians is to get re-elected. Does the O have a lock on the 50% of those who pay no taxes?
What is…
#15 talking about ?
Don’t worry, he doesn’t know, either.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:27 am 29. Delia:21. ked5,
I honestly think ‘HE’ is mentally ill. I’ve [unfortunately] known enough ‘nuts’ to see it. We can call it ‘evil’ or ‘purposeful’ which I’m in complete agreement with too, but some people are so internally, mentally, spiritually flawed that their whole mentality is wired unnaturally. I also believe Hitler was a full on nutter. I mean, the dude was part Jew himself! Crazazzzzzzzy.
But, regardless of the ‘diagnosis’ of ‘Doh’, what he is doing to our Country *IS* wrong, evil and sickening. I’ll never understand the ’spell’ he has cast over ’some’ people. I will never understand or ‘get’ his supposed ‘charisma’. I just don’t ‘get’ why some people are so damned blind.
I tell ya, it’s enough to make me think a good chunk of our U.S. citizens are crazy/insane/nutters too.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:28 am 30. Delia:26. tanstaafl,
LMAO! I dunno either [???]. He lost me at ‘Hello, my name is _____ and I’m a copy-paste-aholic”.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:31 am 31. Khiri:Democratic Congressional approval rating last year? 9%!
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:53 am 32. Stepan:I think you nailed it, Rand.
They are a bunch of sick SOBs.
God help us.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:55 am 33. Khiri:Delia:
Welcome to the Matrix.
Yup, I took the red pill years ago. The truth is truly terrifying.
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:56 am 34. Войска ПВО:12. David Thomson writes:
“I doubt very much that Barack Obama will finish his term. He will likely resign due to “medical reasons.” Obama has had a very easy life since his teen years. He barely had to put in any real effort to get so much in return. It is very doubtful that he can handle failure. His dropping poll number will upset him greatly.”
Agreed David. Somewhere there are a number of young LEFT-WING LIBERAL MSM journalists warming up in the bull pen, waiting to make there career with a series about how the “King has no clothes”. Its a statistics thing — kinda like the billions and billions of suns in our universe; there’s gotta be some intelligent life somewhere.
It’s also a chain reaction waiting to happen. The economy will stay mired in the doldrums, a hesitant congress will back peddle as 2010 approaches as they feel the heat from their constituents, programs will stall (as you said), and Obama will stumble in some egregious, left-offending way.
It will be then that some timid editor greenlights the “No Clothes” stories, every available edition will be snapped up, a sequel will be run, circulation rises, the bouffant-coiffed video-persiflagers will pick up the drum beat (”BO and MO in WH shrieking match; dog craps on carpet in Oval Office; the unraveling dream; film at 11″) and we’re off to the races.
..your predicition may very well come true — resigning for “health reasons” or just to sharpen up his fade-away jumber — and if it does, can it be said that this will be the first time that The Alleged Hawaiian votes “absent”?
Jun 22, 2009 - 7:58 am 35. bobbcat:2. Rachel Peepers. Fabulous rant that is a great read. Kudos to you.
Jun 22, 2009 - 8:02 am 36. Tcobb:Great article. For those who think a crisis is a political opportunity it behooves them to generate them as frequently as possible.
What is that saying: Never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity? I used to think that way about the Democrats, but I’m beginning to have severe doubts that such is actually the case.
Jun 22, 2009 - 8:09 am 37. Self-hating Boomer:Kind of a subtle point, but 0bama’s claim was much more lawyerly and evasive than that. If you recall, he didn’t actually pin the blame on Bush or the Republicans (though his minions did in spades). He pinned it on the “philosophy” of deregulation. This wasn’t an accident. The only thing in the past ten years that fits the description of “deregulation” was done by Clinton. He knew that, and slippery lawyer that he was, said one thing and implied the complete opposite.
Jun 22, 2009 - 8:30 am 38. Self-hating Boomer:First they came for the banking industry. And I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t in the banking industry.
Then they came for the auto industry. And I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t in the auto industry.
I think we all know how this ends.
Jun 22, 2009 - 8:43 am 39. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:‘Cuz everybody knows that the R’s really wanted Ron Paul, right?
Jun 22, 2009 - 8:45 am 40. Professor Guvinoff:It makes sense to think of the zeal of our activist administration in terms of pathology. Pathologies of the kind envisionned here require some form of participation on the part of the “normal” protagonists. But “normal” does not mean anything in the abstract. In this sort of pathology, “normality” means unwitting participation and unwillingness to exercise critical thinking, a.k.a. operating under the force of habit.
This diagnostic would apply to this overzealous administration as well, in which case the “normal” protagonists would be an electorate enthralled by the personality of the community organizer in chief, and slow to recognize what’s really going on under the charm, as reflected by a contrast between personal approval and policy approval numbers.
Can the thusly defined “normal” people wake up? Seems to me, this is where the energy of the tea parties come from, common sense, as Glenn Beck, our contemporary attorney representing Thomas Paine, is trying to remind us, daily.
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:12 am 41. sammie:#2 GOOD READ!! and several others as well..thanks !
Obama is merely a tentacle of bigger problem. Who is putting the words in this man’s mouth, pulling his strings? That’s what we need to worry about!
I think we need to look out for Acorn…investigate …
If our economy collapses, the socialist/marxist network of Acorn and Obama with cronies, will be there to take things over…conspiracy nut?..nope, just a reality nut.
There is not one country where socialized medicine system has worked. Medical is not all they’re after. China is laughing in it’s tea cup at us.
The emperor has no clothes and his people are afraid to tell him so, or does he really care?? I believe he thought this was going to be a walk in the park that he is use to..I realize being failed community organizer, and voting absent or such it taxing,but this..well, he’s trying to make it look like an easy job, and treats it as such….Michele fits right into the socialists/marxism theme we got goin’ on.
We are not politically savvy. However, we can see what is going on in our country. So many people are just sitting by not knowing what to do.
I sincerely hope that in 2010 people educate and inform themselves and don’t vote for “color”, or “party”, or other such b.s.!!! Yes, I hope the old guard is voted out.
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:13 am 42. bandit:Sorry but you’re confused. It’s not a psychological phenomenon it’s called vote counting and it’s the principle used in all your 1 party quasi-Democratic states. You form a coalition of enough voters who basically prey on the hard working, tax contributing middle and upper middle classes and you decide to appropriate their money for your purposes. You focus on nanny statism and incrementally raise taxes to benefit your base because once you’ve got 50.1% under your control there’s nothing the other side can do except bitch – until disaster hits and you’re long gone by then. Look at CA, MA, RI, NY, NJ.
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:22 am 43. ked5:29. Delia:
21. ked5,
I honestly think ‘HE’ is mentally ill. I’ve [unfortunately] known enough ‘nuts’ to see it. We can call it ‘evil’ or ‘purposeful’ which I’m in complete agreement with too, but some people are so internally, mentally, spiritually flawed that their whole mentality is wired unnaturally.
But, regardless of the ‘diagnosis’ of ‘Doh’, what he is doing to our Country *IS* wrong, evil and sickening. I’ll never understand the ’spell’ he has cast over ’some’ people. I will never understand or ‘get’ his supposed ‘charisma’. I just don’t ‘get’ why some people are so damned blind.
I tell ya, it’s enough to make me think a good chunk of our U.S. citizens are crazy/insane/nutters too.
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I believe whatever his reasons for doing what he is, he is in complete control of his choices.
It seems so many diagnosis of the APA deny a person’s free will and responsibility in their choicse, as though we are ruled by forces over which we have no control – like an animal (of course, if humans are regarded no better than animals, it’s a natural extension to treat people like an animal). Most are not so seriously mentally ill they no longer can distinguish between right and wrong.
I think many American’s (I live in a very blue area – with rampant leftist corruption. typical. Just love those state audits and that the state finally GOT audit power – over the objections of the leftists. Gee, I wonder why they objected? There have been tens of MILLIONS of $$$$ of fraud discovered just in the last 1 1/2 years since the state auditor got power to actually audit. Needd I say at least TWO of the culprits are now working for bambi?) are very self-centered. The 70’s was “looking out for #1″, and it was always about self. My mother had her favorite sign of “everything I like is illegal, fattening, or immoral”. (no exageration). That was a common refrain from many.
Well, now, the dominant trait in society is “what’s in it for me?” Wonder what Kennedy with his “ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country” would think. He may have been highly naive, and a significant reason for the cuban missle crisis in the first place, but there was no doubt he loved this country.
Today’s left makes empty promises (aimed at consolidating their power base), and the self-centered sheople believe. (you’d think they’d catch on, but the sheople have a serious case of amnesia) I’ve had so much fun with my mother these last few months. She now complains about zobamba’s policies, and I remind her SHE votes for these bozo’s. (she voted for Jimmah’ in *80*!)
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:38 am 44. Chuck Pelto:TO: Rand Simberg
RE: Just ‘Sick’?
Looks more like euthanasia to me. And to an unwilling patient at that. [Note: Reminds me of what the VA hospital system tried to do to my Dad when he checked in to one of their hospitals with a liver ailment. Hadn't fed or given him fluids in 2 days by the time I got there on emergency leave. The nurse told me, "Doctor's orders."]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[In order to save the village we had to destroy it.]
P.S. In order for Obama and the Democrats to build the America they dream of….a socialist utopia….they have to destroy it first.
This is identical to what Lenin and Stalin did in Russia after winning the Russian Civil War…..
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:50 am 45. ked5:34. Войска ПВО:
12. David Thomson writes:
“I doubt very much that Barack Obama will finish his term. He will likely resign due to “medical reasons.” Obama has had a very easy life since his teen years. He barely had to put in any real effort to get so much in return. It is very doubtful that he can handle failure. His dropping poll number will upset him greatly.”
Agreed David. Somewhere there are a number of young LEFT-WING LIBERAL MSM journalists warming up in the bull pen, waiting to make there career with a series about how the “King has no clothes”. Its a statistics thing — kinda like the billions and billions of suns in our universe; there’s gotta be some intelligent life somewhere.
It’s also a chain reaction waiting to happen. The economy will stay mired in the doldrums, a hesitant congress will back peddle as 2010 approaches as they feel the heat from their constituents, programs will stall (as you said), and Obama will stumble in some egregious, left-offending way.
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Jun 22, 2009 - 9:53 am 46. Chuck Pelto:Oh, when the terrorists and NK, Russia, et al. decide he’s so weak they want to carve up the US to make sure the US can never ‘interfere’ in their bullying fun again. The SS will find him cowering under his desk not knowing what to do, and the TOTUS unresponsive. the only thing he’d be capable of is to run and hide.
TO: Delia
RE:
Sounds like a good description of ‘evil’ to ME. And amoral as well.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:58 am 47. Chuck Pelto:[In evil there is a strong strain toward rationality.]
TO: Delia & Khiri
RE: [OT] The Matrix Symbolism
Know what the colors of those pills represent?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. The blue is plain ‘water’. The red is the blood of Christ. This ties in with all the other biblical correlations in the movie:
Neo – ‘New’ man
Trinity – three guesses
Zion – the last city of free humans
Once the so-called MSM figured that out, they panned the rest of the series.
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:06 am 48. Sunglasses on a cloudy day:communist troll #15.
you should have went with the “sticks and stones” argument.
communist troll #20.
the bell rings, the communist troll salivates.
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:12 am 49. Chuck Pelto:TO: Ms Attitude, et al.
RE: Bumper Sticker Wisdom
A comrade-in-arms sent me a bunch of bumper sticker ideas. I liked THIS one best….
Don’t blame me. I voted for the American!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:13 am 50. Chuck Pelto:[If Jesus had a bumper sticker would it read "W.W.I.D."?]
P.S. Obama is why we don’t allow non-native-born Americans to be President.
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:14 am 51. Delia:WHA__?
My last post bit the moderation dust?
Anywayyyyyyy,
I said something to Ked, Chuck et al and it didn’t go through. Anyway, I’m with ya, folks. Usually I just re-post but I hate double-posting and perhaps I’m being impatient so I’ll wait.
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:38 am 52. Kathy:Dictatorships thrive in poor countries where the government controls everything but makes sure the people have enough food to eat so they don’t feel totally forgotten or betrayed.
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:41 am 53. Delia:This Democratic-controlled government wants the electorate to feel like government has its best interests at heart while the electorate is to dumb to realize what’s really happening — we are becoming a poor country controlled by a dictatorship that is slowly but surely convincing us it knows best. Obama-mania will be our downfall. I’m tried of his date nights, fly-killing episodes and “we won” threats.
52. Kathy,
The scary thing about ’socialism’ is already in the works; case in point:
My husband’s able bodied part-time employee is more concerned with getting his ‘unemployment’ bennies than ‘working’ when he can damned well WORK. His wife is working and he wants to sit on unemployment and has no desire to work at all because he figures the ‘gov’ owes him some of his money back.
The government is going to break us rather than ‘make’ us.
How many levels of stupid do we have to peel back before eyes open?
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:48 am 54. lonesomecharlie:Il Duce is far from mentally ill. All of his policies have hidden agendas – for instance, Healthcare reform.
If any substantial portion of Baby Boomers survive into their 80’s they will bankrupt the nation. The only politically feasible way to kill them off is by denying healthcare when they get their first elder illness. European style healthcare fits the bill admirably.
Il Duce is smart, too. Don’t expect to see his reform program with a truthful title like, “The Die Boomer Die Act of 2009.”
Jun 22, 2009 - 11:35 am 55. The Shadow:Good old chuckie still on the birth certificate hunt. Great to see you going down those rabbit holes.
Jun 22, 2009 - 11:45 am 56. The Shadow:ked5:
34. Войска ПВО:
12. David Thomson writes:
“I doubt very much that Barack Obama will finish his term. He will likely resign due to “medical reasons.” Obama has had a very easy life since his teen years. He barely had to put in any real effort to get so much in return. It is very doubtful that he can handle failure. His dropping poll number will upset him greatly.”
Agreed David.”
Your comments show that when you are totally ignorant, it is easy to just substitute making thing up for citing facts and using logic. There is a good chance you are going to have to live with Obama for another 7 1/2 years. I am gong to enjoy seeing if you go completely over the edge. It is great how you feed off one another. I think Delia has already gone over the edge.
Jun 22, 2009 - 11:51 am 57. Delia:Shad,
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Read it, absorb it.
It has nothing to do with where he was ‘born’. He was disqualified by dual citizenship:
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/breaking-obama-admits-dual-citizenship/
0bama is the personification of why our founding fathers did not want people ‘akin’ to foreign soil being our president.
Read it and weep.
Jun 22, 2009 - 12:07 pm 58. Moogie:Great article and accurate analogy of Obama by proxy syndrome. I read the article in the link, and was frustrated to see that it didn’t include a description of the psychosis behind this disorder. It’s my understanding that narcissism is paramount, along with the desire for power and control, in which case, Obama is definitely a candidate for this disorder.
Jun 22, 2009 - 12:22 pm 59. Chuck Pelto:TO: The Shallow
RE: Show US….
..Obama’s Birth Certificate.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 22, 2009 - 12:26 pm 60. Chuck Pelto:[I voted for the American citizen!]
P.S. As a number of states have NOW enacted laws requiring their Secretaries of State to see evidence that a candidate for the presidency is eligible…..
….Obama will not be allowed to run in 2012…..
Jun 22, 2009 - 12:28 pm 61. GCPSteve:WOW shadowthing……an entire post without using the phrase “wingnut”. I’d say I’m proud of you son except for the ridiculous content of said post. J.A.
Jun 22, 2009 - 12:57 pm 62. Self-hating Boomer:Chuck, you’re being too optimistic. The states that will require that proof are all red states that won’t give him any electors, anyway. He’ll just not be on the ballot in those states. It won’t hurt him.
But I agree, he won’t cough it up.
Jun 22, 2009 - 12:58 pm 63. Chuck Pelto:TO: Self-hating Boomer
RE: Not Really
It will point out that he’s an illegal alien. From there….
….we’re talking succession. And I think we all realize what comes next…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 22, 2009 - 1:58 pm 64. myth buster:[There's a storm coming. -- Sarah Connor in Terminator]
39. The Republicans may not have wanted Ron Paul, but they did want Mike Huckabee, if only he had the money. Huckabee spent fewer dollars per delegate than any other Republican candidate last year. If he’d had even half the money Mitt Romney had at his disposal, Huckabee would be President right now. What would a Huckabee administration look like? NO Bailouts, NO stimulus, save for things that actually rebuild infrastructure, NO crazy czar positions, NO racist judicial appointments, NO tolerance for congressional nonsense like pork barrel projects and crazy exemptions. Huckabee may not be a libertarian’s ideal candidate, but he shares nearly all their goals, even if his strategy is different.
Jun 22, 2009 - 2:19 pm 65. Steve Burri:Here’s a similar post from January dealing with Pelosi/Reid, but now has been taken over by Obama.
Jun 22, 2009 - 3:20 pm 66. Cybergeezer:Yea; I agree; Obama is kneecapping the United States, and creating a WELFARE NATION. But;Who’s going to pay our welfare? China?
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:00 pm 67. Oscar the Grump:Although I’m a staunch Republican, my two daughters voted Democratic in the last election. One of them even attended an Obama fund raiser.
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:05 pm 68. Jeffrey:We had a drive on one of the busy streets on LA called Melrose and I started counting the number of vacancy signs. In the process both of my daughters got involved in counting. One block had half a dozen vacancies. That’s when I pointed out that each vacancy represented somebody’s dream, hope and life shattered. I also pointed out that if you go away from LA to the surrounding communities, you can count the reposed houses like you can the businesses. Again shattered hopes and dreams. One daughter said,” Isn’t Obama creating 600,000 jobs?” That’s when I pointed out that jobs in the private sector generate taxes. Jobs in the public sector use taxes. Obama’s jobs are all public sector and he’s done nothing for the private sector. There was a long silence as the information sank in. I didn’t have to say another word.
What appears to be a mental problem (and I’m not saying a mental problem doesn’t exist just that it is more inline with that of a criminal) may be just a complete lack of rational thinking along the lines of the criminal element, often appearing stupid, uncaring, unthinking and evil. Ayn Rand has described these types of characters and their governments as follows:
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:10 pm 69. Delia:“A society that robs an individual of the product of his effort, or enslaves him, or attempts to limit the freedom of his mind, or compels him to act against his own rational judgment-a society that sets up a conflict between its edicts and the requirements of man’s nature—is not, strictly speaking, a society, but a mob held together by institutionalized gang-rule. Such a society destroys all the values of human coexistence, has no possible justification and represents, not a source of benefits, but the deadliest threat to man’s survival. Life on a desert island is safer than and incomparably preferable to existence in Soviet Russia or Nazi Germany.”
We rational folk see this unjustifiable thuggery in our government violating every reasonable thought we have and we can see the outcome based on our own rational thought processes. When we protest to our political representatives it seems as if our protest falls on deaf ears.
We are protesting to the mob, we are fighting against gang rule.
As all of us rational beings know there is only one way to deal with bullies and that is stand up to them and punch them in the nose. They will go away.
Of course history is the judge of how hard those punches had to be.
The left in this country has not really had that punch yet. They have been scared back under their rocks a few times by witnessing what happened to Hitler, Mussolini and the Soviets but now they are emboldened by their big mouth messiah and are in full bully mode.
A society must learn its lesson as to what it can afford to tolerate and how lax it can become before it destroys itself. History also teaches this. There is a certain discipline required to maintain individual rights and freedoms within a society. “second handers” to quote Ayn Rand again should never be allowed to run anything. We have a “second hander” as President and a Senate and Congress filled with them. Lazy people who are not willing to earn what their eyes desire should not have those desires fulfilled.
A good rational society will always find a way to be charitable to the truly needy. Government does not need to be involved.
If we are to survive as a free people we must stand up to the thugs now.
Our forefathers foresaw the need for free people to have stand up and throw off an oppressive out of control government and made provision for in the Constitution of the United States. Shame on us if we don’t use the tools our fathers provided to save us from destruction.
65. Oscar the Grump,
What? You didn’t ‘indoctrinate’ your daughters into thinking like you do? Some ‘Republican’ you turned out to be! Hmph!
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:13 pm 70. Delia:66. Cybergeezer:
“Yea; I agree; Obama is kneecapping the United States, and creating a WELFARE NATION. But;Who’s going to pay our welfare? China?”
What? You don’t like melamine in your milk? Pishaw!
Jun 22, 2009 - 4:18 pm 71. The Shadow:Atta go wingnuts
“The GOP numbers:
CBS/NY Times 28 favorable
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:06 pm 72. The Shadow:NBC/WSJ 25 favorable
Pew 29 congressional GOP leader approval
Research 2000 24 GOP favorable
ABC/WaPo poll 36 approval
Delia – Already concerned about 2012?
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:09 pm 73. B. Bwanafriend:I Googled Pathological Narcissist Obama and read about the characteristic Grandiosity. Sure fits. Trillions==Grandious as well as media headliner, Teleprompter bleater every day. He cannot get enough adulation and headlines.
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:28 pm 74. B. Bwanafriend:I Googled Pathological Narcissist and read about the characteristic Grandiosity. Interesting.
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:30 pm 75. sheesh:So let me get this straight . . . Obama is intentionally destroying America to gain power over a destroyed America. Is that the idea?
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:45 pm 76. Delia:Shad [72], I’m concerned about the here and now.
Jun 22, 2009 - 6:54 pm 77. Meryl:75. sheesh…I’m trying to figure out if you are truly as dense as you seem to be or if it’s some kind of game. Good grief.
You are either in sullen, mocking disagreement with us or else acting (rather convincingly)like you don’t have the slightest understanding of what’s going on. Neither of those characteristics adds much to a conversation.
Jun 22, 2009 - 8:30 pm 78. Delia:77. ♥Meryl♥,
I hope you had a happy Father’s Day, sweetums.
Do you ever get the skeery feeling that we are in the ‘fear’ mode right before the boiling point?
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:05 pm 79. Oscar the Grump:Delia
I don’t believe in indoctrination. However, I do believe in presenting the facts and letting people decide for themselves.
Sheesh
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:22 pm 80. sheesh:#75
There is a cause and effect. The road to hell is paved with the best intentions. Unless the private sector of this economy is stimulated, the spiral will continue. Obama’s foreign policy decisions are a fiasco. He speaks beautifully, his actions are totally unbelievable. Some day you will make a good Republican. I say this because you show a lot of intelligence. When that happens, please remember an old fat man who called himself Oscar.
Meryl . . . I think that’s a legitimate question . . . Why would Obama want to destroy America? If it’s so obvious, it should be easy to answer.
Jun 22, 2009 - 9:56 pm 81. Moogie:Dear Sheesh and Shadow:
Do me a favor and read this, then watch this. And if you are still too dumb and blind to see what is right before your eyes, then do me another favor: stay the hell off of our forum until you come to your senses, because your constant bullshite is a pain in the arse.
Sincerely,
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:55 pm 82. californiataxslave:The Moogster
Americans are dumb fat slobs, they’ll get what they deserve for supporting Obama. I picture him as this “pied piper” blowing his flute, with all these goo-goo-eyed believers following him, as he leads them off a cliff. Too bad we’ll suffer too.
Jun 22, 2009 - 10:57 pm 83. Sunglasses on a cloudy day:patriot #77.
He’s either stupid, or on the payroll. Apparently both.
All whilst lobbying to be “Troll Czar” in the Obama outfit.
And don’t even start with the “Activist Workshops”.
Jun 22, 2009 - 11:13 pm 84. eco delsol:Chuck: thank you!
Don’t blame me. I voted for the American!
Jun 22, 2009 - 11:26 pm 85. Chuck Pelto:Don’t blame me. I voted for the American!
Don’t blame me. I voted for the American!
Don’t blame me. I voted for the American!
TO: sheesh
RE: Why?
Why did Lenin and Stalin destroy Russia? And, in the process, murder 13 million of their own citiznes?
It’s all about power, buckie. They threw out one power-group and installed themselves, over the dead bodies of those who resisted them.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 23, 2009 - 2:14 am 86. Chuck Pelto:[History repeats itself. That's one of the things wrong with history. -- Darrow's Observation]
TO: californiataxslave
RE: Heh
Ever watch any of the Left Behind movies?
The parallels with what you are saying are astonishing. Particularly the reference to ‘haters’ applied to christians.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 23, 2009 - 2:16 am 87. LeighB:P.S. How’s the ‘hate crimes’ bill doing in Congress?
Making the patient sick in order to aggrandize power? — Rand Simberg
Looks more like euthanasia to me. And to an unwilling patient at that. — Chuck Pelto
Ah, a new nickname for our fearless leader. Barack Kervorkian. Love it.
Jun 23, 2009 - 3:46 am 88. Chuck Pelto:TO: LeighB
RE: Heh
Who knew we made an appointment with such a ‘doctor’ as THAT!!!???!?!
Well…..
….those of US who could read and comprehend what we read and were not drinking the
gooddoctor’s ‘medicine’…..and loving it…..Regards,
Chuck(le)
Jun 23, 2009 - 5:28 am 89. sheesh:[The Truth will out.....]
Chuck Pelto
So if it’s all about power, then the people who asked, “Why would President Bush invade Iraq and send thousands of Americans to their death without proof of an imminent threat? “What President would willingly destroy American lives and families. it just doesn’t make sense.” . . . they were just ignorant as to the power motive.
But according to you, it does make sense. If power is so seductive, then it’s possible Bush took a passive stance on the warning about “UBL determined to strike in US” . . . was seduced into invading a sovereign nation without provocation . . . was strategic in his relentless usurpation of civil liberties . . . and the Valerie Plame-type revenge and attempted silencing of critics . . . and the firing of federal attorneys . . . and the politicizing of the Justice Department . . . all because he lusted after power.
I think you’re right, chum. Bush did all those horrible things for the pathetic purpose of gaining power. Or am I trying way too hard to justify my criticism? Have I found myself pinned in a corner because my relentless complaints and accusations about Bush can’t be defended because he has no motive to do the things I say he did. And if he has no motive, then I have to make one up, and it has to be big and vague, otherwise it is too easily disproved.
Power . . . .ah, power.
Jun 23, 2009 - 5:42 am 90. Banned by Huffpo:Bottom line is, Obama hates the white man. That’s why he’s out to destroy America.
Jun 23, 2009 - 5:57 am 91. Chuck Pelto:TO: sheesh
RE: You’re….
….changing the subject, buckie.
Vaya con Dios…..
Chuck(le)
Jun 23, 2009 - 6:03 am 92. sheesh:Baron von Pelto, . . . Pinned in a corner, eh sport? Must feel like home.
Jun 23, 2009 - 6:17 am 93. Meryl:Delia…had a quiet day actually. Adult kids live WAY cross country so hubby did little errand things in the rain!
Sheesh.80…others have answered well your question to me, and I agree with their answers.
Jun 23, 2009 - 8:42 am 94. Meryl:…that should have been “hubby and I did errand things in the rain”!! Good grief.
Jun 23, 2009 - 8:43 am 95. Lil'D:New here. Have not been exposed to this level of vitriolic irrationalism
“Obama hates the white man”
“… wants to destroy America”
etc.
My favorite is the description of the Bush presidency, from Paules:
“I think simple explanations are probably closer to the mark. A) Mr. Obama does not know the consequences of his policies because his post-modern education amounts to very little real knowledge. B) Nobody close to Mr. Obama has the courage to contradict him for fear of losing his favor. C) The constant adulation of the press and other sycophants has Mr. Obama believing that he’s infallible.”
Talk about projection…
Rachel’s insane rant
I am an independent, voted for Obama after watching Bush direct the most destructive administration ever. Ripping up the constitution?!?
I don’t think anyone argued with a straight face that tax cuts directly caused the current economic crisis. But deregulation can be blamed. Created an environment where looting (in the Akerlof sense) was easy, risks out of control. Read Hyman Minsky (although I suspect that most of the commenters here are either Austrian-leaning, Chicago-leaning, or fascist-leaning…).
I can’t imagine who could be better as POTUS right now. We are in big trouble, plenty of blame to spread around. Plenty of obstacles (I think we’d all agree about Pelosi…).
When the Democrats overreach, the beneficiaries are union workers, teachers, poor people…
when the Republicans overreach, the beneficiaries are corporate welfare queens, Goldman, executives with bad incentives.
Obama is idealistic, but not ideological – contra Paules, he actively seeks out contrary opinions and debate on what is the right thing to do. No one will agree with everything, but his instincts are superb. He will go down as the 21st century Lincoln, despite your irrational whining.
Jun 23, 2009 - 9:05 am 96. Bear:Sheesh…Obama wants to ‘create an America Michele can be proud of’; which seems to be synonomous with ‘destroy’ America.
Moogie…interesting video…lots of corroborating stuff out there if you’re willing to look.
15: are you an idiot savant or a blithering idiot?
Jun 23, 2009 - 9:06 am 97. Mary in LA:Shame on me for responding to a troll, but:
Yes. That is correct. Obama is intentionally destroying America in its present form, in order to gain power over a destroyed America, in order to remake it as he thinks it ought to be, namely a socialist country.
Jun 23, 2009 - 9:23 am 98. Bear:Lil’D
Obama is idealistic but not idiological…not sure of either.
He’s the Grand Obfuscator. So how are you so sure?
He’s definitely a milquetoast…he could be blown over by a swift breeze. (or his own Katrina, now that we are about to enter hurricane season)
Jun 23, 2009 - 9:54 am 99. Chuck Pelto:TO: Lil’D
RE: Sorry…..
….to hear you have so little ‘imagination’, Lil’D.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Imagination is more important than knowledge - Einstein]
P.S. ‘Hope’ you can ‘Change’……for the better…..
Jun 23, 2009 - 10:03 am 100. Tcobb:And how many years of service do you have with ACORN Lil’D?
Its all so groovy, comrade. After the third year you get a FREE Che Guevara T-shirt.
Jun 23, 2009 - 11:52 am 101. Tcobb:And of course, even if you are an ACORN new-hire, for only $200 (deducted from your paycheck) you can get the anatomically correct Barrack Obama blow up doll. Ah–the tingles…
Jun 23, 2009 - 12:29 pm 102. DanO:Re: Lil’D
Hmmm…my first impression of Lil’D is that he/she is really a Big D…and sitting in the basement of the White House. Starting to worry you, are we?
“Independent”. I needed some comic relief today. ROFLMAO
Actually, Lil’D sounds more like Eliza or Jive or other verbal response computer programs written in the 70’s…feed in some factual Obama criticism…out comes…Lil’D…
Ah, to no end for Lil’D, but perhaps others:
Sorry to burst your bubble…irony intended…but it was the REGULATORS who forced the banks to make subprime loans to unworthy borrowers, “or else”…following the will of Congress, Barney Frank et. al. to make “the American Dream” available to all… leaving out a key ingredient of the American Dream: you have to EARN it…not have it handed to you on a subprime platter…
Connecting, once again, to the primary subject and brilliant analogy made in the article in question: Münchhausen’s Syndrome:
First, make the patient (the housing industry) sick by regulating it, although in a truly perverse way: force it to do things logically against its own interest, rather than “regulate” it to reduce the chance of risk/illness, (which, BTW, it does quite nicely on its own)…force the opposite…
(Sick mommy, anyone? Shall we call it now the Maternal State?)
Then, pretend that deregulation was the cause…and prescribe more of the same to the poor child…not in true hopes of real recovery, but more illness…to control, control, control…
Book ‘em…
DanO
Jun 23, 2009 - 1:07 pm 103. sheesh:Too easy . . .
81. Moogie:
Dear Sheesh and Shadow:
“Do me a favor and read this, then watch this. And if you are still too dumb and blind to see what is right before your eyes, then do me another favor: stay the hell off of our forum . . . ”
Here’s the problem for you . . . The video you posted begins with, “For the first time Americans are not free to say what they think.” . . . but then you tell me to stay the hell off of our forum. You see, that’s a problem. You don’t have any sense of principle or continuity. Don’t take it personally. It’s genetic with conservatives.
Jun 23, 2009 - 5:54 pm 104. Oscar the Grump:sheesh
Its fun watching you work. I’ve got to remind you I’m a conservative. I wish that crack you made about genetics and conservatism were true. I fathered two liberal daughters. But, they’re learning fast. Given enough time they’ll be good Republicans too.
Tell me something, why is your boy so mute about Iran? He’s facing a pivitol moment in history, yet he sounds like a first grader facing a teacher. Could it be that he is like a sail in the wind? Showy, full of himself with nothing behind it all. Great men see and understand what is in front of them. They rise to meet the challenge. So far he is all bravado and no substance. Reminds me of another great historical leader, Mussolini. Show me some results!
Jun 23, 2009 - 8:04 pm 105. Oscar the Grump:Conversations with the President
“Mr President, why did you fire the CEO of General Motors?”
Barak Obama, “Well he came to town in this fancy car. Then I heard somebody refer to him as the President of General Motors. That’s why I fired him. Driven a fancy car and being called President. You know, you can only have one President! Damn honky, fancy car!”
Jun 23, 2009 - 10:29 pm 106. sheesh:104. Oscar the Grump:
First, you don’t have to remind me that you’re a conservative. Second, the WORST thing Obama could do is grandstand for the US media, giving Iran’s religious leaders the opportunity to pounce on the Great Satan yet again inserting itself into their homeland politics. Nobody in Iran likes America very much, you know that, right? We have a bad reputation of stepping on their sovereignty.
I think Obama DOES see and understand – exactly – what’s in front of him. Conservatives and Iranians alike are praising his measured response. The wild-eyed right wingers here in the U.S., driven to distraction by idiots like Hannity and Limbaugh, feel compelled to demand “action!” from Obama. Really? Action? Where were they when Kent State down? I’ll tell you where, sitting in front of the TV yelling, “God damn hippies deserved it!”
Conservatives are more interested in how they can use this to hurt Obama politically than they are concerned about the rights and lives of Iranians. Yes, I really believe that. Why? Because of what they say.
Jun 23, 2009 - 10:34 pm 107. rattanman:Obama is the “more cowbell” president. Even though what he is prescribing does not work, he keeps wanting more and more of it.
Jun 24, 2009 - 7:55 am 108. Focus:106. sheesh:
“Conservatives and Iranians alike are praising his measured response.”
Really? Which Iranians are these? Would it be these ones?
TEHRAN, June 17 (Xinhua) — Iran’s Foreign Ministry on Wednesday summoned Swiss ambassador to Iran Livia Leu Agosti, who represents U.S. interests, to protest “interventionist” U.S. statements on the country’s presidential election, the semi-official Fars news agency reported.
Or perhaps this guy?
“Britain, America and the Zionist regime (Israel) were behind the recent unrest in Tehran,” Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli said, according to the semi-official Fars news agency.
Obama’s “measured” response still results in anti-American hatred spewing from the mouths of the mullah’s. Obama doesn’t need to “grandstand for the US media” in order for this to occur. Yet he still offers “measured” (read: mealy-mouthed) responses. That’s hope for ya.
Jun 24, 2009 - 7:57 am 109. Paul -Indiana:101. Tcobb:
Jun 24, 2009 - 8:33 amAnd of course, even if you are an ACORN new-hire, for only $200 (deducted from your paycheck) you can get the anatomically correct Barrack Obama blow up doll. Ah–the tingles…
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I always wondered if that word was really ‘tinkle’.