Pajamas Media

203 Comments

1. chicago:

here’s some great videos about Obama:

Part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HZMD97nMw
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1TAnDcQyjA
Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y3U383Ffuk
Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7g__–BJ9I
Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxCZzxEfUAs
Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxfQD4If7kk

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:21 am 2. Evil Pundit:

I suggest reading this for some inspiration.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:04 am 3. Mike:

Hey; is it just my sat system or what? I’ve had my Dish Network sat receiver tune into Obama’s sat channel seemingly by default. Is the Sat Company doing this as a form of propaganda?. This is Orwellian. Will Dish Network now check on me to determine if I pledge to Obama?, and report me to the Annointed One if I don’t, then direct the “truth squads” to arrest me?, Every morning, and a couple of times daily, the sat switches to Obama.

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:27 am 4. Bert:

A constitutional law professor engaged in undermining the authority of the Supreme Court. Why didn’t he just write up an irrefutable argument?

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:42 am 5. Burkevitz:

Mike that’s interesting. If this is not an accident, that’s pretty Orwellian, yes…

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:07 am 6. Frank Logan:

Some months ago, while surfing on the Joyce Foundation website researching Obama, I read where William Ayers wrote two grants for the foundation. That’s all it said, but I thought it was interesting.

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:08 am 7. Dave Hardy: Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment at Traction Control:

[...] His article is here: Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:50 am 8. Obama’s work to destroy the 2nd Amendment – Call me Ahab:

[...] Read this article.  It’s written by noted 2nd Amendment scholar and lawyer Dave Hardy about Obama’s work with the Joyce Foundation from 1994-2002, a time frame during which the Joyce Foundation employed tactics of questionable ethics in an effort to undermine and destroy the “individual rights” interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:26 am 9. SayUncle » Obama and Guns:

[...] Hardy on Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment: As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:26 am 10. Snowflakes in Hell » The Joyce Connection:

[...] Hardy explores Barack Obama’s connection to the Joyce Foundation, and its plan to destroy the Second [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:34 am 11. Carl in Chicago:

Good article. It is clear to me that if people understood Obama’s past, and especially with regard to the Joyce Foundation, they would be highly … HIGHLY … skeptical of Obama’s claim of support for the second amendment.

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:49 am 12. Jules Crittenden » Naval Strategy:

[...] This is fun. Obama Youth. The militarization of the message is a bit of a muddle. Apparently they didn’t get the Obamist surrender memo. Hey, if they want to be all military, self-defensy, Obamists may want to get some guns. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:15 am 13. Pope Linus:

As a proud gun owner, I almost wish Obama would go after the Second Amendment. His party would be eviscerated in the 2010 Congressional elections, and he could be laughed out of office in 2012. There is a reason why the Democratic-contolled Congress isn’t touching any major gun control legislation–they’re scared of standing against the popular Second Amendment.

Just take a look at Biden. He’s touting to people in Pennsylvania and Ohio the fact that he owns a Beretta.

Just try, Obama. You’ll make it too easy for us.

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:33 am 14. Bookworm Room » Obama’s tenure on an organization that worked to subvert the 2nd Amendment:

[...] law review articles in an effort to convince judges that scholarly trends were hostile to guns.  David T. Hardy has the story (footnotes omitted): During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:48 am 15. iconoclast:

Pope

Obama is a master of deception. Don’t assume for a minute that any 2nd amendment restrictions would have his fingerprints all over it. Obama’s comment during the campaign–something to the effect of “I couldn’t take away your gun rights even if I wanted to”–is a good example. Between appointing federal judges who would be very friendly to the concept of a British/Canadian view of gun rights (i.e. none) and funding of research like the above, the 2nd Amendment could be circumventing without any sort of public legislation at the Federal level.

Somehow we, the People, must address the imbalance that has been allowed to grow between the branches of government. Specifically, the Judiciary has been allowed to make decisions far outside it’s legitimate constitutional mandate. Probably the only way to accomplish this is to start impeaching judges who insist upon legislating from the bench. It wouldn’t take more than one or two impeachments to encourage the others to clean up their acts.

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:50 am 16. 1sttofight:

Mike,
I live in Alabama and have noticed the same thing happenibg with my Dish Network reciever.
When I turn it on, it comes on set to channel 73(Obama channel) no matter what channel it was on when it was turned off.
It used to come back on to the channel it was on when it was turned off.
Strange, truely strange.

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:58 am 17. Micheal:

Just the fact he is from Chicago, who’s mayor is by far one of the most anti-gun mayors besided Bloomberg should be a clue.

Oct 6, 2008 - 9:10 am 18. The Postliberal:

Great research! This story is not only about Obama’s position on the Second Amendment; it’s about a systematic and well-funded effort to control and exploit academic research journals and deceive those who use academic research. Anybody who values the integrity of academic research journals–or anyway the ideal of their integrity, since this is the tip of the iceberg–should be outraged to learn about Obama’s work with the Joyce Foundation.

Oct 6, 2008 - 9:52 am 19. Bent Notes » Blog Archive » Our arsenal - an inventory:

[...] Joyce Foundation [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 9:52 am 20. JeffM:

Barack Obama on gun control,his record in Chicago speaks for itself.

http://www.sportsmenforobama.org/content/view/14/27/ – 20k

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:00 am 21. Pry it from your cold, dead hands? Yes, we can! : Pursuing Holiness:

[...] was involved in a wealthy foundation’s attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court, buy legal scholarship, and [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:02 am 22. Jim:

Osama MUST NOT be trusted. I have been warning as
many people as I can.
Once he’s in the presidency, he will virtually be
unstoppable.
His goals as a closeted muslim are:
1)to defund the military and make it as puny as that of France.
2)to surrender US sovereignty to foriegners.
3)open our borders to whomever wants to
cross over
4)raise our taxes so that we we fund his global
initiative in an effort to send millions
to his native kenya.
5)to sign as many intl treaties as possible
thus tieing our taxes and sovereignty.
6)no choice for schools for parents
7)demand that US white, asian, hispanics, etc
to pay for repriations now under a deal with
Conyers.
8)Osama is definately “ANTI-GUN” and his sole
purpose is to strip all guns from law abiding
citizen, making it even easier for an
Islamist terrorist to overtake our police
force, and conquer the US.

I believe Osama is gearing up to convert the US
into an Islamist nation, that is why the Muslim world is supporting him wholeheartily,
because they know that Obama will open doors for them into the US, and his administration will allow terrorist into the secrets of our
government.

I been having terrible dreams about this man.
Something is telling me that Osama is not what
he claims to be. TAke his birth certificate..I
am convinced that he is not a true american born in the US. Something is amidst with his
lying alliby.
WE MUST DEMAND THAT HE SHOWS LEGAL PROOF THAT
HE IS A NATURALIZED AMERICAN, NOT BORN IN INDONESIA NOR ANYWHERE ELSE.
WE MUST NOT PROCEED WITH THIS ELECTION. WHAT IF
HE GETS IN AND IT IS FOUND THAT HE IS A CITIZEN
OF KENYA.

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:23 am 23. “Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment”:

[...] Hardy, PJM, gives us some insight into the workings of “grassroots” fascism of the kind favored by [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:24 am 24. Concerned:

If Obama is elected and allowed to appoint Justices of his choosing to the SCOTUS, the very constitution and in particular the 2A may be in grave peril. The real prize in the up coming POTUS elections is the SCOTUS, and who will be in the position to appoint them. Please keep this in mind before you cast your vote this year.

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:25 am 25. Dark Helmet:

obamma seeks to destroy America. Disarming us is the first step to dictatorship. That’s why it’s in the constitution.

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:54 am 26. Steven Scott:

Obama is not Muslim, and he is not the Antichrist. He is a thoughtful man with a sharp mind, and he represents a shift in the paradigm (look it up), which is going to bring real, lasting, positive change to this country. What’s so scary about that? Ya’ll sound positively ignorant.

Oct 6, 2008 - 11:24 am 27. DavidN:

I have a different reaction to this article from almost everyone else. The anti-gun advocate mentioned in the article: his name is *Bogus*? And afterwords someone takes him seriously? His name might as well be Liar.

Oct 6, 2008 - 11:36 am 28. fred:

Mr. Scott,

The problem with the “paradigm shift” is that Senator Obama, soon to become POTUS, has been opaque about the contours of his ideology and intellectual templates. A lot of thoughtful citizens like myself have gone in quest of what these might be.

Generally, people are, in part, the sum total of their influences and education. So, you go in search of who advised, educated, influenced, and advanced this man. You also look at his voting record and his stable of advisers. Also, you look at statements he has made to groups out of the public spotlight to find out how he really thinks on a range of subjects. All of this takes time and effort. It does not come easily or cheaply. Especially when the Big Media is actively promoting Sen. Obama.

When you put it all together, it’s troubling, to say the least.

Signed,

A “bitter clinger to guns and religion.”

Oct 6, 2008 - 11:45 am 29. HammerNH:

Steven Scott says B. Hussein Obama:
1. is not Muslim
2. is a thoughtful man with a sharp mind
3. represents a shift in the (philosophical and theoretical framework of a scientific school or discipline) – [no, I didn't need to look it up, but I was wondering what he thought it meant]
4. is going to bring real, lasting, positive change…

SS believes this why?
Because Obama says so.
Lacking any other POSSIBLE evidence (a record of achievement, votes FOR things showing his positions, the release of his ACTUAL birth certificate,
an explanation as to why BHO is not an apostate to Islam) Mr Scott simply decides to accepts Obama’s word on all this.
As to WHAT will be changed…
We will have to wait for the not-Antichrist to be elected (with all the voter fraud ACORN can muster).
And you think WE are ignorant. God bless your simple mind Mr Scott.

Oct 6, 2008 - 11:47 am 30. deguello:

If Obama winns,his chief prorities will be:shutting down talk radio and blogs,and then taking guns away from private citizens,in that order.As for you Steven, a marxoid,tax and spend, firat and second amensdment hating,liberal/radical/democrat/is not a paradigm shift,you condescending cretin,But a return to the insane 60’s.The only difference is the novelty of his melanin rich package,which is enough for brainless idol worshippers to call him “thoughtful”.The man is a virulent mediocrity.

Oct 6, 2008 - 11:49 am 31. Jen:

NObama has been running ads in Pennsylvania declaring he won’t take away our right to own hunting rifles…… but he fails to mention he will fight til death to take away hand guns. Exceptionally deceptive.

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:18 pm 32. Barack Obama as director of the Joyce Foundation spent millions forming and funding anti-gun organizations; was in involved in attempts to fund law review articles that argued against the 2nd Ammendment « liber.rhetoricae:

[...] Barack Obama as director of the Joyce Foundation spent millions forming and funding anti-gun organizations; was in involved in attempts to fund law review articles that argued against the 2nd Ammendment [...] “During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun ‘grassroots’ organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship,” writes David T. Hardy of Pajamas Media in a blog burst titled Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:23 pm 33. Someone75:

Are gun rights really a big issue in this election? Not the war? Not the economy? Not health care? Not civil rights? Nobody will ever overturn the second amendment. It’s as firmly entrenched in our country as abortion rights. Abortion will never go away. The second amendment will never go away.

However, I don’t see anything wrong with banning automatic weapons in urban areas. I invite anyone to give me a good reason for an urban apartment dweller to own an automatic weapon.

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:33 pm 34. Jim:

Not exactly a fair and balanced source of news, are we?

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:37 pm 35. Marc Malone:

Orwellian datellite systems? Vote with your wallet. There should be some way to break your contract with this as your basis. Maybe not. I dunno. But I would not tolerate it. Might as well be tuned into Pravda.

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:40 pm 36. USAF Captain:

..and, as they say, “just because one is paranoid, it doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you..”

Tell Mr Obbama that he can find me and my sons on our property with our M-1s at the ready..

..cold, dead hands and all that!

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:41 pm 37. Hot Air » Blog Archive » New ads: Gun owners for and against Obama:

[...] companion reading, PJM’s primer on the Joyce Foundation’s legal scholarship campaign against Second Amendment rights. I trust board member Barack Obama voted [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:44 pm 38. RayOne:

Jim,
Candidate Obama cannot be a citizen of Kenya, although he is entitled to Kenyan citizenship. Kenya rule is ‘NO’ dual nationality. The Senator’s choice has been made.

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:10 pm 39. LeatherPenguin » Maverick Take the Gloves Off:

[...] SarahCuda, bane of all Klondike Moose, should aim her barrels at this part of Barry’s history. Meanwhile, Maverick has to declare full-blown open war on Congress. “Yes, I voted for the [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:12 pm 40. Heidi:

I would call and complain to Dish. We had some weird things yesterday, my husband was trying to watch the Bronco game and about an hour was blanked out(yellow screen).
It did it for a few minutes when we were watching Amazing Race too.
I wonder if they are trying to figure out how to get it to turn to the Barack channel??
I’d complain if I were you.

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:23 pm 41. Heidi:

Plus, can we all say Heil Obama????

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:24 pm 42. Obama Worked Against the Second Amendment? « The Rhetorican:

[...] News to me.  Probably to many others.  Give it a read. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:26 pm 43. Michael E Brant:

Someone75:
Are you really that dense that you are unaware that it is already illegal to own automatic weapons?
As to reasons to own weapons, the CONSTITUTION gives me the reason.
God gives man the right to self defense.
Imbeciles like you cannot permit nor deny me any of my God given rights.
Sheesh!

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:27 pm 44. Obama and Joyce Foundation Attacking Your Second Amendment « The Iron Whirlygig:

[...] 6, 2008 by Jamfish David T. Hardy does a terrific public service today in spelling out part of Obama’s real record on his attitude and actions toward firearms and the Second Amendment… As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:38 pm 45. iconoclast:

However, I don’t see anything wrong with banning automatic weapons in urban areas. I invite anyone to give me a good reason for an urban apartment dweller to own an automatic weapon.

Someone, it is already illegal to own an automatic weapon without a special permit. I also think that the weapon must have been manufactured before 1986, but I could be mistaken about that.

Given your demonstrated massive ignorance–which could have been corrected by doing an extremely simple google search–why should your opinion be treated with any more respect than one would give a 5 year old having a temper tantrum? Do you have any concept of the actual impact of personal firearms on violent crime, rather than feel-good intuitions? Do you know anyone who owns a gun and/or has used one to defend themselves?

No? Thought not.

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:46 pm 46. Aequitas:

Anyone should be allowed to own a gun for home protection. As long as they have an extensive background check and formal training in the proper use and care of firearms BEFORE they can actually take that gun home. And assault rifles are WAY beyond what any citizen (including hunters) should ever be allowed to own. Unless you live in a war zone.

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:55 pm 47. sirmatthew:

There comes a time in every relationship when a person has just cause to take an objective look at the one they love and reevaluate them to answer the question, “Is he/she for real or am I just being a fool?”

In the real world such a moment comes when, for example, a friend breaks the awful truth to you that the one you love has been lying to you for months and behaving in sneaky ways very few people know about. It’s shameful such a person would do those kinds of things behind your back, but perhaps more shameful is the one who continues to support him despite knowing the REAL truth.

For those who are in love with Obama, articles like this one should bring them precisely to the point of questioning their relationship with the man. Unfortunately for many, love is blind and they will continue to deny and reject anything which challenges or tarnishes the image of the one whom they love so deeply.

Yet there is hope. If this article didn’t cause them to question the relationship then perhaps the next one will, or the next one, or the next one after that. Make no mistake: similar articles will keep coming and it is only a matter of time before everyone realizes the awful truth. Sadly, that time will come when it is already too late to do anything about it. They will have already committed themselves to him for the long-term.

For those who are willing to take an objective look, I applaud you for being open-minded. Set aside all the romantic plans, pleasant appearances, gentle mannerisms, and smooth words which stimulate your heart, ears, and eyes. Set aside blind trust and evaluate Obama’s potential ability to use lies, deception, and sneaky tactics in your relationship. Does he talk differently depending on the crowd he is addressing? Does he oppose something like the Second Amendment and then say he has always supported it? Does he promise you the moon despite not having proven he is capable of giving it to you? Has he been honest in all of his past relationships, associations, dealings, speech, and actions? If he is doing these kinds of things then isn’t it likely he is capable of doing the same kinds of things to you?

That’s one relationship I would get out of right away, before it’s too late. If you do it now, before November 4th, you can start anew with another and have hope in life. You’ll find plenty of supporters willing to help you through the process.

Oct 6, 2008 - 1:57 pm 48. fred:

[q]I invite anyone to give me a good reason for an urban apartment dweller to own an automatic weapon.[/q]

Pistols are a very good weapon for self defense and for the defense of property in any environment. I own a Smith & Wesson 9mm pistol, with a clip. I live in a rural environment in New Hampshire that is growing in population. I bought it because it is a good self-defense weapon and should the suburbanization of where I live brings in more criminals I will be able to defend myself and my family in the unfortunate event of a break in. The criminals get their guns mainly through an illegal gun network, not at the gunshops and not even mainly through home thefts. They tend to get weapons that they hope cannot be traced. I practice with it at a local rod and gun club. All of us are law-abiding citizens who like to shoot and hunt. We treat our weapons with care and respect.

I have heard no compelling arguments from the other side that what I own should be confiscated from me. And I’m keeping my hunting rifle, my shotgun, and my muzzleloader. As an Army veteran I know how to use weapons and safely store them. I’ve taught my daughters how to shoot, same for my wife. They enjoy the sport.

Clearly, there is a great divide in this country between rural Americans and urban Americans over guns, besides other issues. We rural Americans do not like urban Americans telling us how to live.

Signed,

A “bitter clinger to guns and religion.”

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:01 pm 49. Dave Surls:

“I invite anyone to give me a good reason for an urban apartment dweller to own an automatic weapon”

In case you need to shoot a lot of other urban dwellers in a short period of time.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:09 pm 50. fred:

Apartment dwellers in a major city are very much at risk from criminals who are armed with semiautomatic pistols (automatic weapons are already against the law everywhere). I see no reason why the 2nd Amendment must be so circumscribed as to make it impossible for people to own a weapon of choice to match what the criminals can get. I know police officers in my area and not one has a problem with citizens being armed, provided that they learn how to use it properly, keep it stowed safely, and have no criminal record. They are not afraid of armed citizens like me one iota. Interestingly, the ones who don’t want citizens like me to have guns are the police chiefs in the larger cities in my state, and one ventures a guess that they say so out of concerns about local politics. Their rank and file, off the record, will tell you opinions very contrary to what the police chiefs say. And maybe when not being interviewed by the media, if they trust you even some police chiefs will express their true views. Off the record.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:09 pm 51. Jason:

Wow…….so ask yourself this…..Does owning a gun make you safe from the government? At the rate weapons and tactics have evolved, you have already been neutered, even if you own a machine gun. That gun makes no difference. If you are worried about your second amendment rights then you really should be pushing for legislation to allow you to own a missle, or a nuclear submarine. You really think a pistol is going to help you keep the government in check?

f***ing morons!

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:11 pm 52. Sebastian:

Someone75:

In a free society, I don’t have to justify why I need to own a damned thing if my ownership of it doesn’t bring harm to anyone else.

As someone pointed out, machine guns are already heavily regulated. The “assault weapons” issue is about ordinary semi-automatic guns that look scary to the uninitiated. But if someone in an urban area wants to own an Uzi and take it to the range every once in a while, that’s his right as a free man. Try shooting a machine gun sometime, it’s a lot of fun.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:11 pm 53. David E. Young:

David Hardy has provided an excellent analysis of the Barack Obama-Joyce Foundation connection relating to interpreting the Second Amendment out of existence in support of the gun control agenda.

Obama’s efforts through Joyce Foundation funding brought us the one-sided Carl Bogus edited Chicago-Kent Law Review Symposium on the Second Amendment and the Ohio State University sponsored Second Amendment Research Center under the direction of historian Saul Cornell, an ardent proponent of gun control.

A more recent result of the prior Obama supported Joyce Foundation funding was the Carl Bogus/Saul Cornell amicus brief on behalf of fifteen academic historians and constitutional law professors arguing for Washington DC’s handgun ban in the Heller case. It is astounding to believe that the Joyce Foundation has been funding people who are so biased on this subject. For evidence of how off-base the historical arguments in the Bogus/Cornell Heller brief are, look at this HNN article: http://hnn.us/articles/47238.html

Mr. Hardy’s article will help those interested in understanding the facts and background of Barack Obama and his close connection with gun control in our country. The Joyce Foundation bankrolls gun control groups in the United States and Barack Obama helped that bankrolling for eight years while he served on the Joyce Foundation’s board of directors.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:11 pm 54. sirmatthew:

Aequitas: I challenge you to take this quiz. It has only one question with four possible answers. Choose which of the rifles shown is, indeed, considered to be an assault rifle. When the map opens click the little “vote” button in the upper right-hand corner to see the rifle images.

http://www.ask500people.com/questions/only-one-of-these-firearms-is-an-assault-rifle-which-one-do-you-think-is-the-assault-rifle

After you vote, check out the results on the right side of the page.

Read the comments section below the quiz to learn the answer.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:32 pm 55. Jerry Hurts:

Steven Scott presents us the great value of … his opinion. Using soft, meaningless, emotion based words, he says that he likes Obama, whom Scott says “will bring real, lasting, positive change to this country”. Mr. Scott is apparenlty an imbecile who is incapable of defining anything that he believes, which makes his beliefs a fairy tale.

Steven, let me show you how to make an argument. First, you must cite facts, not fluffy beliefs. For instance, it is my belief that Obama is a liar and a manchurian candidate whose intentions are to take office under false pretense and wreak long term damage to this country in line with has radical leftist beliefs.

Do I arrive at these harsh opinions by reading fluffy things that Obama-haters have said? No. I actually looked at his record. If you were only born in January, you can figure out that he is a bald-faced liar, having changed dozens of positions 180 degrees from the primary to the general election.

The Joyce Foundation story is stunning (look it up, douche). He spent 8 years at a leftist foundation with a billion dollars, and used those resources to try and rig our judicial system through the law schools, with the stated goal of overturning the 2nd Amendment to the constitution. When he failed? Easy – he comes out in support of the 2nd Amendment as a self-styled supporter.

The Ayers-Dohrn-Wright-Pfleger-Farrakhan associations are most telling, and belie any notion of shifting paradigms. He is just a 1960s radical leftist, with racist, Marxist underpinnings and no apparent aversion to violent domestic terrorists.

He is a deceptive Chicago politician, with criminal associations and supporters. No need to hear this from someone else – look it up. He needs to lose.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:34 pm 56. deguello:

I for one don’t see aproblem withh owning fullauto weapons,especially in urban areas inhabited by criminally rabid,welfare dependent,roit-prone democrats.Come to think of it, If Obamanation wins, this American-hating radical, will have access to nukes.Think of that! It puts the issue of private ownership of autoweapons in perspective.”Cling to your guns,but give em the bullets!

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:35 pm 57. Ken:

you right-wing zealots crack me up!!! it’s truly pathetic to see the level of racism in this country come spewing out in these conservative blogs. i’d argue the facts with you but reading the drivel that exists here makes it painfully obvious that it would be analogous to the saying, “Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind’s made up.” good luck getting your blood pressure down when mcsame/failin’ goes down along with the Grand Old Party-like-there’s-no-oversight-and-we-all-go-bankrupt.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:38 pm 58. D.K. Bateman:

QUESTION ? When will the McCain Camp start using this as an issue? Where are the adds about the Joyce Foundation ?
This is the first time I’ve seen this information, about time . Let Sarah ” PITBULL ” Palin lead the charge !!!

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:40 pm 59. Minnesota:

I would be willing to bet that the author of this article was also upset about the clinging to “Guns & Religion” comment from Obama. The government is not going to take your guns and Obama has even said he will not take your guns as long as you are a “law abiding” citizen. I have no problem with that nor do I have a problem with gun control on fully autmatic weapons since I don’t hunt with those.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:44 pm 60. fred:

Jason,

You are the one who is, as you described it, a “f******g moron.” You understand neither the 2nd Amendment nor the reasons for it being in the Constitution. You know nothing of the Founders’ rationale. Just another young hot head who gets his kicks going into the enemy’s den and lobbing his smoke grenades.

Try intellectual argument instead of name-calling. You may get away with it on DailyKos, or some other place like it, but here flip remarks have zero effect on the way people think.

Oct 6, 2008 - 2:52 pm 61. sirmatthew:

Someone75: I can only speak for myself, but I am a single-issue voter. I can tolerate a lot of ups and downs in life, but there is one thing I will not tolerate. The Second Amendment is being threatened every single day. For this reason, I vote for the candidate most likely to support my Second Amendment rights.

As for your other question: Automatic weapons fire numerous rounds rapidly with only a single trigger pull. They are illegal to own or use for any purpose, except for the rare few who went through an unbelievable amount of red tape and expense to acquire a license for them. Some of those permit holders are simply collectors while others allow movie makers to use their weapons during filming. With all this in mind, your question isn’t really presenting a good argument given most average apartment dwellers cannot legally own an automatic weapon.

I suspect you meant your statement to say “semi-automatic”, as opposed to a cowboy-style revolver. Just in case someone doesn’t know the difference, Mel Gibson used a semi-automatic in the movie “Lethal Weapon” while his partner, Riggs, used a revolver.

Like a revolver, a semi-automatic pistol requires a single trigger pull for every round fired. Both types use the same ammunition so there is little difference between the power offered by either of the two gun types.

A revolver usually holds 6-8 rounds in a cylinder whereas a semi-automatic pistol uses magazines which have been pre-loaded with 6-15 rounds of ammunition (depending on the model). Some revolvers can hold more rounds than a semi-automatic, but usually they hold less.

Revolvers require less maintenance and are generally easier to operate. However, they are not quite so good for fast reloads, especially when light conditions are poor. Home invasions often happen at night so this is important for an apartment dweller to consider.

A semi-auto pistol would allow an apartment dweller to fire more rounds without having to reload his weapon, as well as to reload it more quickly and easily, even under darker conditions.

Oct 6, 2008 - 3:01 pm 62. Silent Running » Blog Archive » I guess it helps:

[...] . . . if you disarm them, first. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 3:03 pm 63. sirmatthew:

Jason:

How many active military troops are there in the U.S.? 1.4 Million

How many firearms are owned by citizens in the U.S.? 220 Million

You do the math.

Oct 6, 2008 - 3:05 pm 64. Obama and “the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment.” « Gunservatively!:

[...] 6, 2008 by gunservatively Dave Hardy’s article at Pajamas Media on Obama, the Joyce Foundation, and their plan to destroy the Second Amendment. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 3:09 pm 65. American-Manifesto.com » Obama and the Effort to Gut the Second Amendment:

[...] Hardy has a chilling piece detailing the Joyce Foundation’s attempts to scrap the Second Amendment while Obama was on [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:15 pm 66. Dark Helmet:

You know, you really are too uptight about blunt posts here.

jason, the Armed Forces of the Untite States will not fire on it’s own. That’s why obammy supports the rome statute of the international criminal court which requires disarming everyone, making our courts subject to the un and provides for un troops to enforce that courts rulings. Look it up.

This goes WAY beyond what you people realize.

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:18 pm 67. American-Manifesto.com » The Orwellian Left:

[...] Bogus (former director of Handgun Control, Inc. and Violence Policy Center board member) explaining in 1999 why an article by Prof. Randy Barnett included in an all anti-second amendment law review [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:38 pm 68. westToast:

I would think that even rabidly anti-Bush liberals would pause and look up at the successful and stunning effort to buy the Chicago-Kent law review for a “its ours” forum.

Not an honest discussion or bebate. but a “rigged” product that assumes an honest debate is for suckers.

A law review isn’t for “sale,”–at least its not supposed to be.

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:41 pm 69. SilentWatcher:

It is very interesting that Obama, a lawyer, allegedly trained in the art of debate and persuasion, declines to use that art to convince people of the rightness of his positions. Instead, he uses the law as a battering ram, uses money as a bludgeon to kill dissent, and generally functions as one who disdains the Constitution.

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:05 pm 70. Gozer the Carpathian:

Figures there would be the pro gun control guys show up in this thread. All with the usual toss away arguments.

I also find it funny that Ken would call us racist in all this. What the heck is racist about this entire discussion? I didn’t even see race mentioned in here. Though I suppose opposing Obama MUST be racist. Couldn’t be we actually think he’s unfit for the job or disagree with him entirely? Nah, never that.

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:08 pm 71. Uncle Jefe:

Ken: gun ownership = racism??
Not surprising, as the obamatrons have labeled everything that is anti-obama as racism.
If you’d educate yourself (and obama’s talking points don’t count as ‘educated’), then you might be able to hold your own here in a debate.
In the meantime, why don’t you ask ‘The Man From Acorn’ about how the Freddie/Fannie disaster started, and how come he’s #2 on the donation recipient list from Fannie…or ask about Johnson and Raines…or the fact that McCain was on the correct side of the issue since 2005 and Obama wasn’t…
Good luck.

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:17 pm 72. Xavier Cugat:

Obama is just setting you up for the big payday for the Angry Left: Reparations for Slavery.

Just say NO to Afro-Leninism.

Vote McCain/Palin ‘08

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:21 pm 73. Why we chase bad guys. « Chockblock’s blog:

[...] Also From Confederate Yankee: “As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains strangely silent about his eight years (1994-2002) as a director of the Joyce Foundation, a billion dollar tax-exempt organization. He has one obvious reason: during his time as director, Joyce Foundation spent millions creating and supporting anti-gun organizations.”by David T. Hardy [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:26 pm 74. It turns out that Obama does have executive experience. « A Mad Wizard’s Lair:

[...] Wizard @ 5:35 pm His executive experience happens to be trying to kill the Second Amendment via a law review journal.  I’d like to go into the topic of gun control and why I’m against it, but I’m [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:35 pm 75. Someone75:

Michael E Brant:

I don’t believe God ever said anything about owning guns in the Bible. I’m a Christian – I’ve read the Bible – he doesn’t mention guns

Of course I’m aware that it’s illegal to own automatic weapons – just as I’m aware that the NRA lobbies everyday to strike down those laws. The NRA would love to allow us to own any sort of guns that we want with no government regulation. But, to be fair, I meant to type “semi-automatic” – hey, I can admit when I’m wrong.

The constitution is not a “reason” to own a gun. By that logic, I should say nothing but deliberately offensive things because, hey, the constitution says I can. What sort of logic is that? You want to own a gun because you *can*? That’s the sort of reasoning I expect from my nephew – and he’s five years old

Ultimately, I don’t care about gun control at all. It’s not going to stop criminals from getting them. The people that want them are usually smart enough to be safe. My whole point is that I think it’s a silly issue since it will never ever change. You guys will always be able to own your guns. The government might make it tougher to get one for the next four years, but then it will get easier when a republican is back in office. At the end of the day, nothing changes.

To be absolutely clear, I do believe we should be allowed to own guns, within reason.

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:45 pm 76. fred:

The Obamabots have barged in and said nothing. No attempt to make an argument beyond calling us names and then scramming. “Dark Helmet” is also correct to cite the fact that Obama would like to see us put under U.N. jurisdiction. The back door way. His bill to transfer, in one shot, $800+ billion to the U.N., with an additional annuity of $85 billion a year, also includes a provision to put us under United Nations’ laws to completely disarm our population. Go look it up. It’s there.

And this dearth of intelligence is what is winning in the polls?

I want to see an intelligent and thoughtful argument put up by the Left here on this thread. Not the garbage taunts.

Oct 6, 2008 - 5:59 pm 77. Dark Helmet:

someone75

You’re a liar.

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:20 pm 78. Obama/Ayers: Palin DID handle that well! | The Anchoress:

[...] topic but a don’t miss article. I hope someone shows it to [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:37 pm 79. Right Face:

As Claire Wolfe so aptly puts it: “America is at an awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system and it’s too early to start shooting the bastards.”

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:05 pm 80. Anna Keppa:

Can anyone spot a fact or supporting reasoning in Ken’s post? In Steven Scott’s?

Me neither.

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:08 pm 81. Where Does Barack Obama Stand on the Second Amendment Part 2 « America’s Watchtower:

[...] he claimed that he supported a total ban on handguns, something that he now denies. But now we have this article that claims Barack Obama was director of an organization that actively tries to ban all [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:09 pm 82. John Link:

Anyone who wants to learn more about Carl Bogus’s….legal bogosity….can go here.

http://volokh.com/posts/1214526279.shtml

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:11 pm 83. Barack Obama ran anti-gun not for profit organization | BlogWonks Free WordPress Blog Hosting:

[...] The name of the anti-gun organization Obama ran was the Joyce Foundation, a billion dollar not for profit group which he ran from 1994-2002. During Obama’s tenure there the Joyce Foundation spent millions of dollars supporting and creating anti-gun organizations. During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program targeting the Supreme Court. The work began five years into Obama’s directorship, when the Foundation had experience in turning its millions into anti-gun “grassroots” organizations, but none at converting cash into legal scholarship. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:25 pm 84. Michael E Brant:

Someone75:
Man you sure are ignorant. Where did I say guns are in the Bible?
I said self defense is a God given right. Do you really believe that I am going to take a poll as to what defense measures I can use?
Once again, I ask no man what manner I may choose for defense.
As a member of the NRA, I want citations for your statement about the NRA trying to legalize automatics.
Your statement is hot air.
Your foolish insistence that gun bans will never happen is myopic. Tell that to the Californians that had their guns reclassified and a short time to turn them in.
Your attitude is the single biggest reason that I own no registered weapons.
As to your idiotic statement about what the constitution says and that is no reason for weapons, I summarily ban you from exercising your rights under the First Amendment.
No posting for you.

Oct 6, 2008 - 7:52 pm 85. PokerGuy:

Liberal-progressive have no legitimate arguments they can state in a public forum. That’s why their “first response” is either personal attack, cries of “racism” or some pathetic rendition of ‘Bush is Evil’. Their purpose is not to argue or engage in reasonable debate, it’s to stifle criticism. Obama does this consistently, as do all of his liberal cronies in Congress.

As for the lefty posters here? Inept wannabes not worth the effort of direct response. They aren’t listening.

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:04 pm 86. Someone75:

Dark Helmet: Great point. Calling me a liar with absolutely no supporting evidence or any argument at all. What exactly did I lie about?

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:04 pm 87. Cloward-Piven Strategy - the Left and Obama’s attempts to destroy America « The Sadim Touch:

[...] * A great article on the Joyce Foundation grant to the Chicago-Kent College of Law. [...]

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:07 pm 88. FreedomFirst:

Barack Obama would be the most anti-gun president in American history. IF elected. Let’s help that NOT happen.

http://www.gunbanobama.com/

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:15 pm 89. Jim Baker:

Ken and Stephen and all you other Obama trolls, ask your messiah what part of the words “shall not be infringed” does he not understand? Of course I can have arms. I don’t need no stinking Second Amendment to protect that right. I am a free man and as a free man, I can own what I want and we don’t need to get to the amendment section to find that out. You would think Obama, a brilliant student of the Constitution, could find that out.
I have firearms, and of course I can’t defeat the government with them, but at least I can make a big mess. So far, We the People still outnumber the government.

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:32 pm 90. Jim Baker:

Ken and Stephen and all you other Obama trolls, ask your messiah what part of the words “shall not be infringed” does he not understand? Of course I can have arms. We don’t need no stinking Second Amendment to protect that right. We are free people and as free people, we can own what we want and we don’t need to get to the amendment section of the Constitution to find that out. You would think Obama, the extremely thoughtful and intelligent student of the Constitution, could find that out.

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:44 pm 91. fred:

The Founders’ intent was for citizens to have guns to be tools in their livelihoods, protection from criminal elements, AND a means for citizens to enforce the Constitution on the government. Citizens brought their own weapons to the militias. That was the reality and the practice in 18th century America. They often would get their powder and shot at the armories. The regular armies of the Revolution did issue muskets to their troops who lacked their own weapons. Plus, they needed specialized muskets to accommodate the bayonet. The specialized units like Daniel Morgan’s Kentucky Riflemen often relied on the members to bring their own longrifles. These were specialized rifled bores that were the sniper weapon of their day.

Only in extremis would the citizens have to take action against the government. And I think it is precisely this that the Leftist leaders fear more than anything else. They also fear the military because they are never sure if it would remain under Presidential control under dire circumstances. In the loyalty oath officers take their loyalty is summoned to the Constitution FIRST and then the Commander in Chief. So, they have an “out” if they need it. We hope it never comes to this, but the Founders understood human nature and the tendency of government better than we moderns seem to.

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:47 pm 92. TC:

Aequitas:

“Anyone should be allowed to own a gun for home protection. As long as they have an extensive background check and formal training in the proper use and care of firearms BEFORE they can actually take that gun home. And assault rifles are WAY beyond what any citizen (including hunters) should ever be allowed to own. Unless you live in a war zone.”

If Obama is elected, we WILL live in a war zone.

we will live in a war zone.

Oct 6, 2008 - 8:54 pm 93. ralpherus:

Obama says what he thinks he needs to say to get elected, like all dems do… and if he is elected, he will turn rabid traitor against his oath of office and try to be a true fascist pig and take the guns. The question is, will the military and law enforcement also commit treason and comply with the orders, or live up to their oath, and drop him in his shadow? The entire trip about gun control is that disarming the innocent leads to their murder– and the traitor murder pigs know it, and that is the intent. WE need to know it, never forget it, and stop EVER electing cheap scum thieving fascist traitor murder pig democrats! BUT: we also must remember to watch them morph into sly infiltrators as they “become republicans”- ferret them out, and make their lives miserable enough that they LEAVE OUR USA! Traitors! RUN!

Oct 6, 2008 - 9:16 pm 94. ralpherus:

All of those cheap scum traitor pig democrats who promised to leave if president bush was elected; then promised to leave if he was re-elected; and now are saying similar garbage about McCain/Palin…well freaks, you blathering self-loathing psychotic pieces of hysterical incoherent nonsense: Please stop acting like anyone has requested, much less demanded that you STAY! GET OUT!!

Oct 6, 2008 - 9:19 pm 95. ralpherus:

to “someone 75″– you are incorrect. It is not illegal to own machine guns. It is illegal to illegally own machine guns. HUH? your tiny brain is saying now…I will explain: go through the fees and paperwork, and subject to the laws of your individual state, you too can buy a machine gun. New ones are off the table since some stupid god damned traitor to his oath came up with that as a camel’s nose in the tent tactic- nibble away the rights with tiny infringements so we do not notice, rise up, and slay the crap out of the traitors… it was working too well for a while… but, can it much longer? If you really do believe our constitution says what it says, you know how to register, and vote!

Oct 6, 2008 - 9:33 pm 96. Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment - Political Wrinkles:

[...] and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 12:14 am 97. Someone75:

Michael E Brant:
You implied owning guns are a God given right. I simply pointed out how foolish that is. You can shift the burden of proof all you want, but you know what your organization stands for.

My attitude is the single biggest reason that you own no registered weapons? I’m not sure what that means.

The point is, just because you “can” doesn’t mean you “should” or “must”. Just because I *can* call you a moron and make a bunch of rude comments, doesn’t mean that I will. If that’s indicative of the type of reasoning you use before deciding to shoot someone . . . wow.

Ralpherus: You want to “slay the crap out of the traitors”? This is why you people owning guns scares me. Keep on thinking with your gun and see where it gets you. FYI – in my state it is illegal to own a fully automatic weapon under any circumstances. In fact, in my county, you’re not allowed to carry a weapon unless it’s some sort of hunting situation. Calling someone ignorant only works if they actually *are* ignorant.

Oct 7, 2008 - 12:15 am 98. Gunny G:

For MORE INFORMATION on the journey of the liberals into socialism/communism, chcek out the link.

PS: OVomit sucks.

Oct 7, 2008 - 4:23 am 99. Tennesseefree.com » AMERICAN HUNTERS & SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION: A cheap, imitative, lying whore sponsered by OBAMA’s Joyce Foundation:

[...] takes money from The Joyce Foundation. Obama was, from 1994-2002, a director of the Joyce Foundation… As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 5:16 am 100. AMERICAN HUNTERS & SHOOTERS ASSOCIATION: A cheap, imitative, lying whore sponsered by OBAMA's Joyce Foundation:

[...] takes money from The Joyce Foundation. Obama was, from 1994-2002, a director of the Joyce Foundation… As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 5:26 am 101. Bob Owens:

I hate to infringe upon the ignorance displayed by many here, but it is not illegal under federal law to own a fully-automatic or selective-fire weapon in the United States.

NFA ‘34 imposed a $200 transfer tax, and Congress instituted a ban on machine guns built after 1986 being put in civilian hands, but otherwise, anything from a small M-11 submachine gun to a water-cooled Browning or even a minigun are legal for law abiding citizens to own, providing it is legal in your state.

Federal Requirments:
“To become a registered owner, a complete FBI background investigation is conducted, checking for any criminal history or tendencies toward violence, and an application must be submitted to the BATF including two sets of fingerprints, a recent photo, a sworn affidavit that transfer of the NFA firearm is of “reasonable necessity,” and that sale to and possession of the weapon by the applicant “would be consistent with public safety.” The application form also requires the signature of a chief law enforcement officer with jurisdiction in the applicant’s residence.”

As of 1995, there were 240,000 legal machine guns registered with the ATF, about half of those were owned by police and other non-military government agencies, and the rest–roughly 120,000–were private-citizen owned.

As for legally-owned machine guns and crime, there have been precisely two known murders with legally owned machine guns since 1934, both committed in Ohio, both committed with M-11 .380 submachine guns, one of those committed by a police officer using a department-issued weapon to murder an informant.

Know your facts before making ignorant arguments, folks.

As to the actual article, Hardy has released a disturbing bit of unimpeachable academic research that shows Barack Obama is entirely comfortable with subverting the Constitution of the United States in order to pursue an extremist political agenda.

There is every indication that Barack Obama is the Constitution-destroying authoritarian that progressives have screamed George W. Bush is for most of the past eight years.

McSame? No.

This election is between a “placeholder” Republican candidate that will push for moderate reform but accomplish little because of a progressive-controlled House and Senate, and a far left authoritarian radical with close ties to terrorists, racists, and pathological ideologies that by their very nature ensure the destruction of individual liberties and the increase of state direction in living our daily lives.

Myself, I’m on the record as not being a big McCain fan, but when forced to chose between a moderate Republican with a selfless record of sacrifice for his country and the promise of moderate reforms, or a radical far left candidate with very troubling relationships, a bevy of government-expanding proposals that will increase the national debt by trillion-dollars ($300 billion more than the recent bailout), who has no record of leadership experience, noted questionable judgment, who promises to “rubber stamp” any bill offered by the most incompetent Congress in U.S. history, and whom we now know is willing to undermine the Constitution and lie to the Supreme Court, do we really have a choice?

McCain will annoy practically everyone, but he’ll commit no major foul-ups as President.

Barack Obama promises the tyranny the Left always wanted, but blamed on George Bush, and the result of his incompetence is too terrible to contemplate.

Oct 7, 2008 - 5:47 am 102. I Must Be A Bitter Clinger Too « Curtis Lowe:

[...] Must Be A Bitter Clinger Too Thanks to Kevin at The Smallest Minority, I had to link to this post from David T. Hardy, Esq., so that I also would not be the only (semi/sometimes) gunblogger not to [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 6:16 am 103. Gears and Springs · Оказывается, у Обамы не так плохо с опытом:

[...] он его почему-то не рекламирует. Видимо, потому, что опыт специфический. Он руководил не только Chicago Annenberg Challenge, которая [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 6:22 am 104. Blue Crab Boulevard » Another Obama Lie Exposed:

[...] proud defender of the 2nd Amendment? Unsurprisingly, that Barack Obama turns out to be a crock: Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama must demonstrate executive experience, but he remains [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 6:42 am 105. charlie:

obama is not only anti second admendment but also anti other admendments. he has attacked frredom speech recently by threating stations that air ads that he doesn’t like. And liberals like him have attacked freedom religion over the years and God forbid he become president because if he does it will become worse and will be like a communist state soon if the liberals have there way. So now only does obama disrepect and attack our constitution but his campaign funding is questionable, he has got a lot from muslims in middle eastern countries. Is he serving an islamic agenda? is that a chance the american people what to take? i sure hope not. He has lied and tried to cover up his voting record on things like abortion where he has an extreme record like voting to kill babies that survive an abortion. he says different things to different people on various issues so he is lying to someone. we don’t need a liar as a president. He is very naive when it come to how to handle national security and would compromise our nation, of cours if is serving and islamic agenda that would be his plan. i wonder if that is his motivation because he sure has shown a lack of love and appreciation for this country by sittinh under the like of Wright and not pledging the flag and so forth. How could anyone what such a man as him for president. I pray to God that most people don’t, that most love, respect and care for and about our nation, our constitution and our history.

Oct 7, 2008 - 7:04 am 106. exvigilare » Daily Obama fact:

[...] PajamasMedia) This entry was written by RichieD and posted on October 7, 2008 at 7:49 am and filed under [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 7:49 am 107. Reality Czech:

The real prize in the up coming POTUS elections is the SCOTUS, and who will be in the position to appoint them.

The right is trying to use the Supreme Court to take abortion away from those who prize it. The left is trying to use the Supreme Court to take guns away from those who prize them. This is a zero-sum game because neither side will give up its goal of imposing its position on the other against their will (and individual liberty).

The side which gives up first, can take the election by taking the middle.

Oct 7, 2008 - 8:01 am 108. RJ:

“Of course I’m aware that it’s illegal to own automatic weapons – just as I’m aware that the NRA lobbies everyday to strike down those laws.”

Got a cite for that lobbying activity? (Yes, I am accusing you of making this up.)

Oct 7, 2008 - 8:31 am 109. Janie Babe:

You people DO realise that if Obama is not elected this time, then it will be Hillary who will be standing in 2012.
And you think Obama will be bad…!

Oct 7, 2008 - 10:48 am 110. 10-07-08 | Drive Time Happy Hour:

[...] David T. Hardy: The smoking gun…as a Joyce director, Obama was involved in a wealthy foundation’s attempt to manipulate the Supreme Court, buy legal scholarship, and obliterate the individual right to arms. [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:04 am 111. sirmatthew:

If Obama is elected Hillary will run in 2016.
I’d rather take the risk again in four years than to have a possible 16 year run of extreme far-left liberal views held by Obama and Hillary. The damage they could do in that length of time would be immeasurable.

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:36 am 112. Quote of the day… | The Real Gun Guys:

[...] Read the post at Joe’s blog (link above) and then the linked article by David Hardy. [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:49 am 113. Tina Trent:

I don’t particularly oppose bans on certain automatic weapons — on the grounds that criminals have better access to them than the police. But I have never believed that the anti-handgun activists had any motivation beyond deflecting attention from the criminal underclass who commit crime, for whom they display strangely positive feelings, particularly as they present themselves as representatives of victims of crime.

If these activists really cared to reduce crime victimization, they would find better ways of doing it than posturing feel-good “gun buybacks” than do nothing but spread free money around certain neighborhoods, make the evening news, and perpetuate charitable giving (including public money) to anti-gun activists. The anti-gun activists I worked with in state politics opposed stricter law enforcement in every instance, opposed mandatory sentencing, hated the police, and clearly believed that criminals were misunderstood and oppressed, innocent creatures, one and all. Their focus on handguns was merely a smokescreen for the usual pro-criminal, anti-victim, liberal bent, particularly tragic in those cases where the activists had lost loved ones but still could not being themselves to blame the criminals — so they blamed guns and the police and Republicans instead. Sad.

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:56 am 114. Docjohn52:

You want a reason for automatic weapons?

The founding fathers wanted the ability of defense to ultimately fall on the citizen soldier. In switzerland, every household has a government issued automatic weapon. Israel’s citizens wouldn’t think of leaving the house without one and you see many citizen guards standing on streets with uzi’s. They started UZI because they couldn’t get enough of them…

You want a reson for autos, okay here’s one

http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/07/obama-nazi-youth-corps-leaderteacher-suspended/

The camos are a nice touch, and they cenrtainly look well funded don’t they?

keep drinking the koolaid, and this will show up at your door.

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:59 am 115. Michael Reinhard:

Dear Mr. Hardy,

I found your article most useful and enlightening. I was wondering if you had looked into how Senator Obama voted when he was on the board? Also, is it possible to look at the minutes of the meetings? It would make a great deal of difference if he was there arguing against these proposals and voting against them. On the other hand, if he is voting for these proposals it is all the more damming. As it is his supporters will surely say that he should not be held responsible for what the majority voted for. To hold him responsible in that way would have the effect of penalizing a person for serving on the board of an organization that did anything they disagreed with.

Oct 7, 2008 - 12:03 pm 116. Obama and the Second Amendment | Mustang Rambles:

[...] is a scathing story about Obama serving as the president of the Joyce Foundation, a foundation dedicated to the [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 12:27 pm 117. Ask The Examiner « QC Examiner:

[...] Q. Why is Obama so reluctant to discuss his executive experience with the Joyce Foundation? [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 1:20 pm 118. Townhall: McCain’s gotta speak to & for America | The Anchoress:

[...] President Obama seems to promise a heavy boot coming down hard on dissent and to seriously threaten civil liberties, beyond the first and second. He’s already showing his inclinations in that area. [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 1:30 pm 119. Deguello:

Memo to Ken and Scott and other Obamanation useful idiots: Seek medical attention quick;don’t waitfor national healthcare to be passed, your syphillis is going tertiary!

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:00 pm 120. Mr. Feder:

Does anyone have anything else against Obama besides being against the 2nd amendment? Does anyone have any rebuttal of McCain’s instability reviews by his POW comrades? All this talk seems to stem and stay with the 2nd amendment. As important as the 2nd amendment is (and I do own several firearms and support the 2nd amendment) is it more important than the many other, more Serious, issues facing this great country?

Personally neither one stands out from the other. They both are terrible representations of the people’s laziness when it comes to politics. People seem to have forgotten that the government was intended to be run by the people and to quote a movie “people don’t need to be afraid of the government; the government needs to fear the people.” It is a fact that we seem to have forgotten and this election is the result of this.

We need to fix this out of control issue now!! before it’s too late.

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:04 pm 121. Stephen R:

Someone75 said:
“I don’t believe God ever said anything about owning guns in the Bible. I’m a Christian – I’ve read the Bible – he doesn’t mention guns….”

You might check again and read Esther 8 — the story behind Purim. In Persia (Iran), Hamman, an evil advisor to the King, has tricked him into issuing an edict authorizing the extermination of the Jews. The king’s wife, Esther, tells him of the trickery…. From the Book:

5 “If it pleases the king,” [Esther] said, “and if he regards me with favor and thinks it the right thing to do, and if he is pleased with me, let an order be written overruling the dispatches that Haman son of Hammedatha, the Agagite, devised and wrote to destroy the Jews in all the king’s provinces.

6 For how can I bear to see disaster fall on my people? How can I bear to see the destruction of my family?”

7 King Xerxes replied to Queen Esther and to Mordecai the Jew, “Because Haman attacked the Jews, I have given his estate to Esther, and they have hanged him on the gallows.

8 Now write another decree in the king’s name in behalf of the Jews as seems best to you, and seal it with the king’s signet ring — for no document written in the king’s name and sealed with his ring can be revoked.”

…
The kings new edict read “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

Just kidding. Actually:

11 The king’s edict granted the Jews in every city the right to assemble and protect themselves; to destroy, kill and annihilate any armed force of any nationality or province that might attack them and their women and children; and to plunder the property of their enemies.

…

17 In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating.

(Note: I cribbed this from http://tammybruce.com/2008/03/purim.php )

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:19 pm 122. Stephen R:

Mr. Feder said:
“People seem to have forgotten that the government was intended to be run by the people and to quote a movie ‘people don’t need to be afraid of the government; the government needs to fear the people.’”

You appear to be the person who has forgotten the very quote you give — because it is the _basis_ on which people believe that the 2nd Amendment is the most important!

If you allow the government to take guns away from the citizenry, what will you do when they take away the rest of your rights???

You will go along quietly, is what you’ll do. You won’t have any other choice. Giving up the right to arms is a mistake you only get to make once.

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:34 pm 123. Jim Baker:

Reality Czech,

The right is not telling the taxpayers to buy them their firearms. That might be the difference, eh?

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:39 pm 124. My Own Thoughts » Blog Archive » If you support the Second Amendment,:

[...] you support the Second Amendment, you must go read David Hardy’s article on Obama’s executive experience on the Joyce Foundation. Why haven’t I heard of it [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:59 pm 125. Last Patriot:

The arms control in the US is a travesty. The Constitution explicitly acknowledges a right to bear *arms.* It doesn’t limit it to certain firearms. The population has a right to own any kind of weapon we see fit–up to and including ballistic nuclear weapons. Otherwise what’s the point? Do you really think that revolution, a right acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence, would be possible with handguns and hunting rifles? If that’s the case, I have a bridge in New York to sell you.

Oct 7, 2008 - 4:58 pm 126. karl defibaugh:

hey, to all concerned,i’m a dye hard rep,but american first,my family came here in 1670 fought indians,, british.andfrench, and every war or scirmish america had,made guns for a 100 years in penn, and i would give my country my life and blood,but to what end, if this guy obama gets in?. my family is rich in american history. but obama is going t kill her. never been so sad come on america, rally up. dont let this wolf in sheeps clothing kill what so many have died for,! god bless all who love her

Oct 7, 2008 - 5:21 pm 127. David Moore Jr. » Blog Archive » What he really wants…:

[...] URL to article: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-attempt-to-destroy-the-second-amendment/ [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 8:02 pm 128. fred:

The Left desperately wants to disarm us to the point where they feel pretty safe and in control of the government. They could care less about stopping criminals, since their habit is to coddle that class of scum. The police in the country feel overwhelmed by the environment they have to work in.

I have yet to read or see an argument in favor of greatly altering the 2nd Amendment (or any other one for that matter) that is convincing and compelling. Haven’t seen it here – or anywhere for that matter. The Left can’t get this done legislatively, so they try to do it by stealth, on the judicial bench.

Oct 7, 2008 - 8:22 pm 129. Hunters against Obama - Texas Gun Talk:

[...] up "Joyce Foundation" and some if its workings. Matter of fact, check out this article: Pajamas Media » Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment __________________ Don’t Mess with Texas [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:31 pm 130. TSgt B:

I do not oppose the Chosen One (Obama) because he is black (because he is not, he is 1/2 white, and the other half mostly Arab), I oppose him because he is a true Saul Alinsky Marxist/Leninist/Socialist. His idea of government is that the “government” will approve what the individual may or may not do. As a retired member of the U. S. Air Force, I swore an Oath, several times, to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I have neither forgetten nor forsaken that Oath, and indeed try my best to live it today. Barack Hussein Obama is no friend of the Constitution. He has never held a real job in his life. He could not get an entry-level security clearance for the military because of his admission of past drug use. The idea that he would not take our guns away is easily disproven be even an extremely abbreviated examination of his record on the issue. His associations with those in his past (Ayers, Pfleger, Farakhan, Wright, and too many others to list) serves as an indictment upon his character. He is not fit to manage a carwash, let alone be Commander in Chief. As to the political situation we are facing, the blame starts with the one you see in the mirror. We, the People, allowed this to happen, and only We, the People can change it. I both fear and welcome a Revolution in this country. Peaceful is possible; otherwise if necessary. I have taught my children and grandchildren in the use of arms, and also about Duty, Honor, and Country. I am still teaching them of God, but I admit I have a long way to go. I have challenged “public servants” at all levels regarding their DUTY to defend our Rights, and will continue to do so until I take my last breath. They have forgotten that they are SERVANTS; I am out to remind them. The problem as I see it is that we have plenty of rope, and plenty of trees; we have just misplaced our will to use them. We have nothing to fear from the overwhelming majority in the law enforcement and military communities; they are on OUR side, and know where their true allegiance resides. God Bless this Great Nation, all that have served her, and I know that He will Bless those who follow His law.

Oct 8, 2008 - 12:59 am 131. The Joyce Foundation’s Attempt To Abolish The Second Amendment With The Help Of Barack Obama « Waste Of My Oxygen:

[...] Second Amendment With The Help Of Barack Obama Posted on October 8, 2008 by wasteofmyoxygen Obama worked for 5 years trying to stop Americans from having the right to bear arms. His running mate Joe Biden stumped about how he has a gun and that Obama is not trying to take it [...]

Oct 8, 2008 - 3:42 am 132. Timothy Birdnow » Obama`s War on the Second Amendment:

[...] has conducted a systematic war against the Second Amendment, according to this piece at pajamas [...]

Oct 8, 2008 - 5:33 am 133. Reality Czech:

The right is not telling the taxpayers to buy them their firearms.

The right has banned federal and most state funding of abortions already, but wants more.

The left wants “reasonable” restrictions on guns. The right wants “reasonable” restrictions on abortion. Neither thinks even a total ban is “unreasonable”. If you don’t see how this has hardened and polarized people into their positions, you aren’t looking.

Oct 8, 2008 - 7:28 am 134. CapitalHill:

Obama knows he cannot take away our 2nd amendment rights. He, however, has found a loophole. He wants to take away our ammunition.

Oct 8, 2008 - 7:30 am 135. AK:

Aequitas:

Before you can have unr protected sex with your boyfriend, you need a Government – issued ID certifying you have been trained in the dangers of STD’s, and that you are free of same. Yes, I know, intrusive on what you feel are your personal rights..but if it saves one life from the horrors of an AIDS-induced death, or the itchy hell of herpes, wouldn’t it be worth it? Npow….’bout that deadly bottle of wine in your closet…do you really need it….?

Oct 8, 2008 - 7:57 am 136. Old Coastie:

Last Patriot said:

The arms control in the US is a travesty. The Constitution explicitly acknowledges a right to bear *arms.* It doesn’t limit it to certain firearms. The population has a right to own any kind of weapon we see fit–up to and including ballistic nuclear weapons. Otherwise what’s the point? Do you really think that revolution, a right acknowledged in the Declaration of Independence, would be possible with handguns and hunting rifles? If that’s the case, I have a bridge in New York to sell you. Oct 7, 2008 – 4:58 pm

“What’s the point?” The “insurgents” in Iraq have kept us pretty busy for 6 years with little more than AK 47s, a few RPGs and some IEDs. We beat back the British Army which was the “overwhelming force” of the time by being a self armed militia ourselves, using similar guerilla tactics.

Its not just a talking point, it is about Freedom — and it IS the THE WHOLE POINT.

Oct 8, 2008 - 11:12 am 137. Watcher of Weasels » Submissions: Doing the Job the Media Refuses to Do:

[...] Submitted By: Bookworm Room – Pajamas Media – Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 8, 2008 - 11:36 am 138. Sally:

seriously find something better to do than waste your time on fear mongering. Go to a real site like factcheck.org

Oct 8, 2008 - 11:55 am 139. evil11:

you morons!why not open up the borders?give us your tired hungry and poor.
your once great country was foundered on immigration and now you are becoming a ditaorship to the world.USA is not the world police USA and Bush are guilty of crimes against humanity.Its not good enough to preach do as i say not as i do!!!Obama maybe your countrys only chance of salvation.Bring in a change or the voters and country as a whole should suffer the consequences,YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW.GUANTANAMO!!!

Oct 8, 2008 - 1:32 pm 140. Bookworm Room » Watcher’s doing the media’s job:

[...] Submitted By: Bookworm Room – Pajamas Media – Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 8, 2008 - 1:51 pm 141. mec:

Obama was a muslem until he was ten years old. after that, his main associations were Marxist. Marxists don’t much cotton to religion. Obama is not interested in converting the United States into an islamic nation. He is much more in line with the “Progressives” in China, South America and elsewhere.

Oct 8, 2008 - 4:06 pm 142. Aaron:

I own an AK-47 for leisure. I also own a pistol. At this point, I’m willing to give both up if it ensures that war criminals like George Bush stay away from my federal tax dollars. I’d gladly give them up to ensure that my future children and yours are given good education and health care. I/We need change, and a man over seventy, isn’t going to give us that.

Oct 8, 2008 - 4:47 pm 143. David E. Young:

In response to Michael Rheinhard:

Even if Barack Obama did vote as a board member against the Chicago-Kent Law Review Symposium on the Second Amendment edited by Carl Bogus AND the establishment of the Second Amendment Research Center under the directorship of Saul Cornell at Ohio State University, he most assuredly did not go out and warn the American people that his fellow Joyce Foundation directors were surreptitiously attempting to undermine everyone’s individual rights by influencing judges with slanted historical information. Would it not only have been proper but actually incumbent upon someone of his obvious intelligence to make American citizens aware of a plan to trash a U.S. Bill of Rights provision by funding misleading historical research to influence Federal judges if he actually disagreed with those two board actions?

The Obama campaign has been very slippery with the facts about Obama’s past views on gun control and the Second Amendment. At least in Bill Clinton’s case, his pro-gun control views were not deceptively packaged as just the opposite of what they really were.

I think it quite clear that Barack Obama did not disagree with the two Joyce Foundation votes on the slanted Second Amendment historical research while he was on its board of directors. There is no evidence he warned anyone about the two specific actions or that he he personally voted nay on them. All the evidence points to Barack Obama as a gun control advocate who does not actually support Americans’ Second Amendment rights but wants their vote anyway.

Oct 8, 2008 - 5:38 pm 144. Michael Reinhard:

Dear Mr. Young,

Your points are well taken: he has at the very least been deceptive. Still, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, I think people will naturally assume that the reason we do not specifically mention how he voted is because he voted against the moves. If it turns out to be the case that he voted against the measures and we (and here I am assuming that we are both opponents of the Senator) have been encouraging or at least allowing people to think that he had been on the side of the measures our criticisms will lose much of their force. It does seem a rather easy thing to look into and I can not help but think that the reason Mr. Hardy does not specifically discuss how Senator Obama voted is because because such a discussion would not advance his thesis. Again, I would be happy to be shown otherwise.

Oct 8, 2008 - 6:02 pm 145. Brenda:

Some of you just don’t get it and most of you all sound scared. Do your research! People like Palin will cause some kid to lose it and hey maybe some of you would like that!? I am a very disappointed veteran because my county is getting worse off in the intellect department! Did Bush make us stupid too? Thank you Aaron! Your right on! Obama will not take your guns away!! Maybe your kids won’t get killed in school by someone elses crazy kids!

Read the damn thing!! If you have then read it again!

Oct 9, 2008 - 12:15 am 146. Iowa:

My Dish is also turning to the Obama channel on it’s own. I locked the channel out so it is not displayed. I’ll see what happens now. If it happens again I will cancel my Dish service.

Oct 9, 2008 - 7:48 am 147. Agnes:

OPEN CHALLENGE TO THE MEDIA AND PRESS!
Obama’s Hidden Records

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — ””not available””
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ””not available””
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
13. Record of baptism– Not released or ””not available””
14. Illinois State Senate records–””not available””

Add to that, how did he pay for college? How did he go from Occidental to Columbia, who got him in? How was he made Prez of the Harvard Law Review without witting any laws!!!! Or an article even.

Oct 9, 2008 - 11:05 am 148. RE:

Obama will probalby go after the First Amendment before he goes after the Second Amendment.

There’s very specific reasons why Founding Fathers ordered them the way they did.

But there’s little doubt that the Dems will be going after both.

Oct 9, 2008 - 11:53 am 149. If Truth Matters, so does Integrity! « Get Clued:

[...] Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 9, 2008 - 1:06 pm 150. Swamp Hermit’s *QUICK* Bits « The Swamp Hermit’s Report:

[...] with terrorists. That’s not guilty by association. It’s guilty OF association.. Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment – The plan’s objective was bold: the judicial obliteration of the Second Amendment. Facts prove [...]

Oct 9, 2008 - 5:19 pm 151. Someone75:

You gun people are pretty hilarious. It really doesn’t take much to get you guys “up in arms”

Oct 9, 2008 - 5:56 pm 152. Sons of Liberty:

Obama’s campaign has already gone after the 1st Amendment. His lawyers have sent cease and desist letters to various media outlets around the midwest demanding that they stop airing certain NRA advertisments about Obama’s track record on gun-control issues that they allege are untrue.

The letter also threatens the stations that their FCC license may be in jeopardy if they continue airing said advertisments.

And then there is talk radio. Specifically, conservative talk radio. We already know what the DNC thinks about that. They would like nothing better than to bring back the so-called fairness doctrine.

Oct 9, 2008 - 6:42 pm 153. Dave Hardy:

In response–the votes of the Joyce Foundation, as private foundation with no members, are not public record, nor has Joyce ever chosen to reveal them. The most we have is what they choose to reveal, i.e., their grant awards. And a statement of a staffer that most of their votes were unanimous.

If Joyce chooses to make the records of votes public, or Sen. Obama chooses to ask them to do so, I would welcome it.

Oct 9, 2008 - 9:54 pm 154. Watcher of Weasels » Winners Discuss Topics the Media Refuses to Cover:

[...] Fourth place with 1/3 votes – Submitted By: Bookworm Room – Pajamas Media – Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 10, 2008 - 6:41 am 155. Michael Barone Sounds The Alarm About the Coming Thugocracy of Obama…"First They Came for the Communists" MSM and Some Conservative Elite Tone Deaf to Their Mortal Danger. | Pierre Legrand's Pink Flamingo Bar:

[...] Raila Odinga, Bill Ayers and wife Bernadine Dohrn, Reverend Wright, Father Phleger, ACORN, Joyce Foundation… [...]

Oct 11, 2008 - 9:05 am 156. PJM: Obama’s Efforts To Influence Judges To Inhibit Gun Rights « Blog Entry « Dr. Melissa Clouthier:

[...] PJM: Obama’s Efforts To Influence Judges To Inhibit Gun Rights [...]

Oct 11, 2008 - 11:03 am 157. Obama, ACORN, and More:

[...] disagreements, the NRA endorses McCain as Obama comes out for gun registrations, and the role of a foundation Obama chaired in fighting the second Amendment comes to light.  (Hat Tip: Gun [...]

Oct 11, 2008 - 9:17 pm 158. Obama, ACORN, and More | Adam's Blog:

[...] disagreements, the NRA endorses McCain as Obama comes out for gun registrations, and the role of a foundation Obama chaired in fighting the second Amendment comes to light.  (Hat Tip: Gun [...]

Oct 11, 2008 - 9:21 pm 159. F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] » Blog Archive » Podcast: Obama, ACORN, and More:

[...] disagreements, the NRA endorses McCain as Obama comes out for gun registrations, and the role of a foundation Obama chaired in fighting the second Amendment comes to light.  (Hat Tip: Gun [...]

Oct 11, 2008 - 9:23 pm 160. Fred Claveau:

Why doesn’t McCain’s organization publish this info if it’s accurate. Obama is truly hypocritical and should be called out on these positions. McCain’s advisors seem to have their heads in the sand. Are they intent on losing this election and allowing our country to go comletely socialist?

Oct 11, 2008 - 10:57 pm 161. Jim:

Remember, the SCOTUS decision on Heller was 5-4. That means there are already 4 justices on SCOTUS that do NOT believe the 2nd Amendment is an individual right. The next liberal SCOTUS Justice could tilt the Court to invalidate our Constitutional rights. “In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas.” – Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer wrote in the Heller dissenting opinion. Obama is dangerous to American freedoms, and I am not convinced that he was not really born in Kenya and ineligible to be President by our Constitution. Why won’t he show his birth certificate to a federal District Court Judge in Philadelphia? See: http://www.obamacrimes.com/

Oct 12, 2008 - 11:12 pm 162. Sharlene:

Here they go again – seperating truth from fact:

The Washington Post and Factcheck.org debunk the NRA’s slanderous and misleading statements. The Washington Post gave the NRA ad “three Pinocchios,” saying “While it is true that Obama favors tighter gun laws, it is a huge stretch to argue that he wants to take away the guns and ammunition most commonly used by hunters.” [SOURCE: Washington Post 9/23/08; FactCheck.org 9/22/08; CQ Politics 7/20/08]
http://fightthesmears.com/articles/17/NRAflyer

Oct 13, 2008 - 1:58 pm 163. Bookworm Room » Watching the Watchers:

[...] Fourth place with 1/3 votes – Submitted By: Bookworm Room – Pajamas Media – Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 14, 2008 - 6:49 am 164. The Weekly Claw 10-14-08 » VAJoe.com:

[...] Do you support the Constitution, specifically the 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms? If so, you need to know something ELSE about the background of Barack Obama. Something about the JOYCE Foundation. Barack the Gun Banner! [...]

Oct 14, 2008 - 7:18 am 165. Obama Against the Second Amendment : 2nd amendment - Right to Bear Arms:

[...] some have told me, Mr. Barak Obama is opposing The Second Amendment. In the blog that I read it states that he, Barak, worked with the Joyce Foundation for eight [...]

Oct 15, 2008 - 1:57 pm 166. Debate on Oct 15th, 2008 | Grizzly Groundswell:

[...] free enterprise, how can you call it free when he is going to tax you success?Obama is against the 2nd Amendment and the 1st Amendment.Obama supports murder, I mean abortion, well same thing.Obama wants to [...]

Oct 16, 2008 - 6:14 am 167. Mike K.:

I agree with Steven Scott. Anyone who thinks Obama is a muslim or any of the other baseless crap that right wing nut jobs say, is out of touch with reality.

I, myself, am stuck. I would trust Obama vs. McCain in every aspect except guns. I am a registered democrat, but find myself angered beyond words at the Democrats attempt to take away our second amendment rights.

Its tough though, because, on all other issues virtually, I think the dems are in the right.

Oct 16, 2008 - 11:45 am 168. Mike:

BEWARE of Executive Orders from BHO. That is how he is going to come after guns and gun ownership even if he has to create the incidents that will give him the basis for doing it. The 2nd will have no power to stop him because he will use a regulation approach an not a prohibition approach. You will need to protect yourself from legalized confiscation.

Oct 16, 2008 - 12:19 pm 169. Wetland Willie:

What our founding fathers and others, had to say about gun control and freedom…

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” — Thomas Jefferson Papers (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

“They that can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania..

“The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as they are injurious to others.” -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on the State of Virginia (1781-1785).

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials.” -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426.

“The Constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.” -Thomas Jefferson.

“(The Constitution preserves) the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” -James Madison.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” -Thomas Jefferson, quoting Cesare Beccaria.

“Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion…in private self defense…” -John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

“…arms…discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. …Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them.” -Thomas Paine.

“On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.” -Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p322.

“Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms [of government] those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.” -Thomas Jefferson, Bill for the More General diffusion of Knowledge (1778).

“To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them…” -George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 380.

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” -Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8.

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun. -Patrick Henry.

“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!” -Patrick Henry

“To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them…” -Richard Henry Lee writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic (1787-1788).

“The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.” -Samuel Adams, debates & Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87.

“…the people have a right to keep and bear arms.” -Patrick Henry and George Mason, Elliot, Debates at 185.

“The right of the people to keep and bear…arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country…” -James Madison, I Annals of Congress 434 (June 8, 1789).

“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves…and include all men capable of bearing arms.” -Richard Henry Lee, Additional Letters from the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169.

“The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age…” -Title 10, Section 311 of the U.S. Code. (see http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/)

“The people are nor to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.” -Zachariah Johnson, 3 Elliot, Debates at 646.

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” -Thomas Jefferson, Proposal Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed., 1950).

“If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government…”-Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist (#28).

“As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.” -Tench Coxe, Remarks on the First Part of the Amendments to the Federal Constitution, under the pseudonym “A Pennsylvanian” in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1989

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms has been recognized by the General Government; but the best security of that right after all is, the military spirit, that taste for martial exercises, which has always distinguished the free citizens of these States…Such men form the best barrier to the liberties of America.” -gazette of the United States, October 14, 1789.

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. the supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States.” -Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the federal Constitution (1787) in Pamphlets to the Constitution of the United States (P. Ford, 1888).

“If a man hasn’t discovered something that he will die for, he isn’t fit to live.” -Martin Luther King Jr., June 23, 1963. Speech in Detroit.

Statements of The Enemies of Liberty:

“Government begins at the end of the gun barrel.” – Chairman Mao

“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. … Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.” –V.I. Lenin.

“If the opposition disarms, well and good. If it refuses to disarm, we shall disarm it ourselves.” –Joseph Stalin.

“We are taking the law and bending it as far as we can to capture a whole new class of guns.” – Jose Cerada, (White House official who specializes in gun control policy), The Los Angeles Times

“We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans …” Bill Clinton (USA TODAY, 11 March 1993, page 2A)

“Gun registration is not enough. Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.” – Janet Reno

Now tell me, o wise ones. What part of “shall not be infringed” don’t you understand?

Oct 16, 2008 - 6:47 pm 170. Wetland Willie:

My ex brother-in-law, “Ruthless Jack”, is the biggest racist I know. Yesterday he told me he’s voting for Obama. I thought; “Oh My God, this might be the tip of the iceberg”! I fear for my country and what’s left of the Constitution.

Oct 16, 2008 - 6:52 pm 171. Guns : What Obama Won't Tell You:

[...] strangers the truth about Obama’s anti-gun agenda.  Second Amendment scholar David Hardy is shedding light on Obama’s time with the Joyce Foundation, the anti-gun organization that funneled tens of millions of dollars to gun control groups while [...]

Oct 16, 2008 - 9:25 pm 172. David E. Young:

Michael Reinhard:

While it is impossible to state what happened behind closed doors, one thing is for certain. The Joynce Foundation has bankrolled gun control advocates for a long time and it appoints its directors. They are not elected by membership like the NRA’s directors because there are no members. Someone not supportive of the Joyce adminstrators’ policy and agenda priorities will not be appointed, and someone appointed who did not support them, if that was possible, would not accept such appointment because it is obvious what the Joyce Foundation is – the bankroller of gun control in America.

The votes you are concerned about are very likely not what is being envisioned – a director being personally opposed to activities that are major policy innitiatives and agendas of the Foundation and voting against them for that reason. Instead, the voting at Joynce is probably more along the lines of whether projects A, B, and C, or projects E, F, and G are more important and get funded. Even in such wealthy orgnaizations, there still have to be priorities. Voting in such circumstances for A and against E does not exactly prove that someone is against E, only that they think A is more important to fund out of the current budget allotment. Joyce has to function on a budget because it cannot give all of its money away even if gun control advocates ask for all of it.

The evidence about Barack Obama’s gun control advocacy is not only to be found from his Joyce Foundation association and activity, but also in his prior Illinois Senate voting record. Go to Richard Pearson’s article on that subject at the Illinois State Rifle Association website (Oct. 15): http://www.isra.org/

After reading Mr. Pearson’s first hand observations on Barack Obama’s views on firearms owners,their rights, and legislation he voted for, do you still think there is the slightest possibility he might have voted against any of the gun control advocacy projects while a Joyce director, including trashing the Second Amendment, because he was personnaly opposed to gun control? The evidence directly contradicts such a supposition.

Oct 16, 2008 - 9:39 pm 173. Can Courts Be Manipulated By Stuffing The Law Review Library? - Black Bear Blog - Black Bear Blog - The Politics of Hunting, Fishing and the Outdoors. Protecting our American Heritage.:

[...] and his blatant activism to rid his world of guns, I provided you a link to an article written by David T. Hardy of Pajamas Media. Hopefully you read that [...]

Oct 17, 2008 - 8:59 am 174. What Obama Won’t Tell You:

[...] Amendment scholar David Hardy is shedding light on Obama’s time with the Joyce Foundation, the anti-gun organization that funneled tens of millions of dollars to gun control groups while [...]

Oct 17, 2008 - 9:42 am 175. Publius:

I had the “privilege” of taking Saul Cornell’s Constitutional History course at OSU. He was never very interested in the other side of the debate and I always got the distinct impression I was being shuffled out of office hours as quickly as possible. I am interested to hear how he reacted to the Heller case considering it made a book he published only two years ago obsolete.

That being said, in order to be fair, I need to mention that Professor Cornell knew I was in support of the individual right argument and I don’t feel that my grade suffered as a result.

Oct 18, 2008 - 12:24 pm 176. BAREARMS:

Great post wetland willie # 169. That says it all. Restore the republic!!!

Oct 18, 2008 - 7:46 pm 177. another liberty supporter:

I’m a few days behind on these comments, but I just GOTTA chime in. To the comments above, such as “assault rifles are WAY beyond what any citizen (including hunters) should ever be allowed to own.”…I ask you to please read the Declaration of Independence, as we as the Second Amendment. The second paragraph of the D of A clearly states “That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends [life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness], it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it”.

Unfortunately, the day just may come when we can’t overthrow the government just by asking them. You know, like if they ignore 87% of the communication from the public, as they did with the bail out. You know, that pesky “taxation without representation” thing? I realize there’s plenty of idealistic sissies in this country who are scared to defend themselves, and that’s fine…don’t. But don’t tell me *I* can’t. You’ll die before me if the shit ever hits the fan, and I’ll never get the chance to say I told you so! THEN I’ll have to get the ACLU to bring you back from the dead just so I can stick my tongue out at you, and that will be SUCH a pain in the ass…

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:49 pm 178. Change You Can Believe In … A New National Anthem Courtesy of Barack Obama | Scared Monkeys:

[...] Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Oct 26, 2008 - 5:27 pm 179. Snowflakes in Hell » Update on Cooper Firearms Issue:

[...] So Dan has been asked by the board to resign from the company he himself founded.  It’s sad that it has to come to things like this, but he’s supporting a candidate who would disarm us all if he could find a way.  I might buy the notion that Dan Cooper believes in the Second Amendment, I just don’t think it’s very important to him.  It can’t be if you’re voting for a candidate who spent much of his public life trying to destroy it. [...]

Oct 29, 2008 - 5:03 pm 180. earl ray:

http://volokh.com/posts/1214526279.shtml////dont give this Carl Bogus isnt real bullcrap if you dont think he is real just because he has a funny name read these links people…… http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Carl+Bogus&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=

Oct 29, 2008 - 6:23 pm 181. LC:

The state of the United States is far greater than the right to bare arms. If this changes your opinion about Obama, then I’m sure you also believe Bush was a good president. Do we risk our children future for the right to bare arm? Think about that.

Oct 29, 2008 - 11:49 pm 182. Minnick’s D+ NRA Rating Update:

[...] served on the board of the Joyce foundation, which used its deep pockets to push anti-gun research. According to PJM, here’s how it went down: During Obama’s [...]

Oct 31, 2008 - 5:16 am 183. brian:

Come take my gun !!!!!!!!!!!

Oct 31, 2008 - 3:24 pm 184. AFNonline » Blog Archive » Obama is NOT the Most Liberal Liberal to Have Run for Office:

[...] That would be because – in order to win American Presidential elections – candidates have to 1. pretend to respect the 2nd Amendment (right to carry arms); 2. support the death penalty; and 3. pretend to be a Christian of sorts. The [...]

Nov 1, 2008 - 7:31 am 185. Thanks to Sarah Palin… » Blog Archive » Obama is NOT the Most Liberal Liberal to Have Run for Office:

[...] That would be because – in order to win American Presidential elections – candidates have to 1. pretend to respect the 2nd Amendment (right to carry arms); 2. support the death penalty; and 3. pretend to be a Christian of sorts. The [...]

Nov 1, 2008 - 8:15 am 186. MANY U.S. CITIZENS FEAR OUTCOME OF TUESDAY’S ELECTION « EYE ON OBAMA:

[...] Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment [...]

Nov 1, 2008 - 1:21 pm 187. Snowflakes in Hell » About Those Obama Supporting Sportsmen:

[...] I have to conclude it’s just willful ignorance.   I understand people not being a single issue voter.  There are a lot of gun owners out there who don’t self-identify as such — they vote primarily on other issues. That’s something I understand, even if I would emplore them to rank the Bill of Rights higher on their priority list.  But Obama is awful on guns.  His record makes that abundantly clear.  If you care about the Second Amendment, how can you possibly claim that you support Obama?  Don’t tell me what he’s saying now, in order to get elected: Tell me when in his career he’s supported the right to keep and bear arms.  You can’t.  Because it’s not there.  It’s not only not there, Obama has spent most of his career trying to destroy the Second Amendment. [...]

Nov 1, 2008 - 8:00 pm 188. Snowflakes in Hell » Reasoned Discourse:

[...] There’s a reason for that. [...]

Nov 3, 2008 - 8:06 am 189. BizzyBlog » Will Pennsylvania Overcome Insulted Voter Syndrome?:

[...] it, is also the most anti-Second Amendment rights candidate from a major party in US history. His record, and his directorship at a foundation that was on a mission to derail the idea that gun ownership [...]

Nov 3, 2008 - 9:32 am 190. Ban on all Semi-Autos...?!? - IH8MUD™ Forums:

[...] find previous law, it often turns to the reviews of law professors. Barack Obama on Gun Control Pajamas Media

Nov 3, 2008 - 9:06 pm 191. Daman Conners:

How many people here are also hearing the Whispers of what is about to happen? Can anyone really deny that Obama will be making a move on our rights to protect ourselves? In this article there is a real example of exactly how Obama will do it. Save it and keep for when he tries it I’m guessing within his first term if he wins today. Google the title ‘Whispers and Shouts of Revolution in America – Can You Hear The Founders Cry?’ or click the title of this message next to number. It is the scariest article I’ve ever read and made me really tear up thinking about how easy Obama can do it now that he will have control over the Senate and Congress.

Nov 4, 2008 - 7:47 am 192. Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » Academics on the Gun Rush of 2008:

[...] Especially when it’s pretty clear this university professor has never bothered to investigate Obama’s record on guns, which includes a lengthy career of trying to destroy the Second [...]

Nov 11, 2008 - 9:05 am 193. punk280:

fu@k obama let him try

Nov 11, 2008 - 11:47 am 194. SEALDIVER:

The Poor un-educated fools of America….

President-elect Obama repeatedly states that he will not take away Guns, Last night in a speach he stated ” There is no need to be buying guns, and that he won’t take away, or effect the second ammendment” immediately thereafter he stated that he was behind the stamping requirement of all ammunition sold in the United States.

this will criple the Manufacturers that produce our supply of ammuniton.

the second ammendment is in the bill of rights to ensure that Americans can protect themselves from a tyrannical Government more than it is meant for the right to protect of yourself from murders, home invasions, car-jackings and similiar crimes thereofe.

If in the event that we as Amercicans found it neccesary to “take Back our government (which I beleive we should be planning for) how do you think that you are going to fight a well organized, well trained, unit of operators that are descinding upon you, or any milita of the people if all you have to fight with is hunting rifles with limited round capacity, shotguns with three round limitations, and semi-automatic rifles that you cannot get ammuniton to use.

We as a people would be outgunned and out trained, it would be a bloody lenghty war that would make the first revolution look like a training evolution that went wrong.

Suppose you think I am crazy and something like this is out of the question and could never happen again.

then why are so many Americans buying Guns in the wake of Hussein obamas election? Why are so many Americans thinking the same thoughts as myself but are afraid to actually discuss it?

It is an event that is in the making, It will happen, maybe not in my lifetime but eventually it will become a nessecity. there is no Doubt that the government is trying and will take away the right of the people to keep and bear arms. also there are countries that want our land our freedom, and our lives.

As Admiral Yamomoto stated at the beggining of the second world war, that “he would never invade the United States because there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass” our government must be afraid of the same reality.

Don’t let them brainwash you into thinking that this cannot happen.

It can, and it is beginning to happen now.

this generation of Americans must be strong, and not let yourselves be hypnotized by a charazmatic leader that will talk you into believing what he wants you to Believe. i.e. Adolph Hitler…Karl Marx!

Fight for your rights, and the right to defend yourself, and your family. Fight for your right to keep your country as it was intended to be. A free Nation, by the people, of the people and for the people…

Dec 12, 2008 - 3:46 pm 195. Second Amendment Under Fire: Gun Ownership in the Obama Era | Citizen-Right:

[...] Amendment scholarship, buying law reviews and establishing foundations with the express goal of duping the justices of the Supreme Court of the United States. But Obama’s distrust of those bitter, clingy Americans you call friends and family is hardly [...]

Feb 25, 2009 - 12:15 pm 196. Snowflakes in Hell » Blog Archive » VPC “Public Support”:

[...] because VPC’s primary “public donor” is the Joyce Foundation. You now the Joyce Foundation.

May 1, 2009 - 3:52 pm 197. Robert (Bear River, Wy):

Obama and his elect with the Joyce foundation are agressors against the US Constition and Bill of rights and to destroy the 1st and 2nd amend at all cost. Americans need to stand up to this agression and protect the soverighty of america. State soverighty and state rights is the means to put responsible government back in office. At present there is a tyranny government in office which should be classifieds a cowards. Our government has COWARDS in office (not all elected officals are this way). The 1st and 2nd amend is protected by the incorpation of the 14th amend, still needs responsible americans to support our elected officale to defend the constition of the US> The choice is up to each of us. To stand up for what is right or fall as Rome did.

Jun 24, 2009 - 1:45 pm 198. Ironic Surrealism v3.0 » Harold Koh Possibly the Last Stepping Stone Towards Taking Away YOUR GUNS:

[...] During Obama’s tenure, the Joyce Foundation board planned and implemented a program

Jun 24, 2009 - 9:52 pm 199. Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment « This is my gun:

[...] is an article titled Obama and the Attempt to Destroy the Second Amendment that I’ve found written by noted 2nd Amendment scholar and lawyer David T. Hardy that sheds [...]

Jul 7, 2009 - 1:15 pm 200. Chuck whitner:

reply to something 75…

Automatic weapons..They have been banned since 1935..get real..learn something..look at the sun even!

Jul 9, 2009 - 3:47 pm 201. GEORGE WASHINGTON:

I believe that America has gotten soft and has forgotten what this country was founded on. We would not be America if there was no right to bear arms and over through a government that is not just. I am amazed that so many Americans fell for Obama’s line of bull. We need to wake up and stand up for our Constitution or someday we will wake up in Russia or “Nazi” America. The 2nd Amendment was clearly written by our founding fathers because they saw Britain try the same crap our government is trying now. Gun control is no new issue wether it is an AR15 or a crossbow someone in some time was wanting to take it away! The issue of “crime” and guns is mere propaganda but it is a great weapon for anti-gunners. These politicians who oppose gun rights are praying on the fools of American society that are too blind to see the facts about guns!

Above all Americans must remember that it is, “we the people”; not “us the government”! We must rage a revolution of words and intelligence it is the time of the pen not the sword. We need to speak loud and in great numbers to be heard! There shall be no persecution for those who speak loud about our God given rights!

Aug 8, 2009 - 1:41 pm 202. Flu-Bird:

Its was another black liberal demacrat MAJOR OWENS who sponsored a bill to repeal the 2nd amendment and so this isnt surprising listening to these bunch of crinimals running loose and another black liberal demacrat and former BLACK PANTHER who wants all guns regulated as usial WASHINGTON D.C. is what what BEN KENOBI would call A WRETCHED HIVE OF SCUM AND VILLIANY

Aug 9, 2009 - 6:33 pm 203. Heather:

until today i was unaware of Obama’s “attentiveness” to obliterate the 2nd amendment and our right to bare arms. i was also brought to the realization (please someone correct me if i am wrong) that he and his wife are trying to make him a “permanent” president…my boyfriend lives in Illinois and there was an incident where a bunch of protesters who were anti-Obama were arrested b/c they were expressing their freedom of speech. Which takes me to what Mike said about the government forcing us to pledge Obama. if my tv was going to Obama’s channel all the time I would never watch tv again. please if anyone has any more information on this subject i would be grateful if i could get more, i want to be educated about everything in my government that could possibly affect my future along with everything else

Sep 14, 2009 - 10:25 pm

Write a Comment

Name:	(required, displayed)
Email:	(required, not publicized)
URL:	(optional, displayed)
Comments: