Comments on: When Obama ‘Talks to Our Enemies,’ What Will He Say? http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:57:24 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Drider http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-38068 Drider Fri, 09 May 2008 11:55:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-38068 Obama had the gall in a speech the other day to tell the American people that other presidents also talked to our enemies, specifically mentioning Roosevelt and Truman. He believes that Americans are simply too dumb to know for themselves about our own past history. Yes both R and T did talk to our enemies in "demanding" unconditional surrenders and backed it up with war that in the end, changed the course of history for the entire world...see....war DID solve something O. The only president that Obama could most closley compare himself too in talking to enemies is Jimmy Carter, and he would bear the same fruit that that weak president did. Obama actually said it would be too "harsh" of a responce in using nukes on Iran if Iran nuked Isreal...not that anyone wants to see nukes zipping around, no sane person does but in him saying that it provides every tyrant and zealot out there a gigantic "footnote" in thier little black books on just what type of spinless person Obama is by dangerously and foolishly simply taking that option of the table, which may actually cause some whack job to feel he can let loose of a missle with no real repercussions. Obama, dont mention Roosevelt and Truman in the same breath as your intentions of surrender and disengagment, you and them are from different worlds. Obama had the gall in a speech the other day to tell the American people that other presidents also talked to our enemies, specifically mentioning Roosevelt and Truman.
He believes that Americans are simply too dumb to know for themselves about our own past history.
Yes both R and T did talk to our enemies in “demanding” unconditional surrenders and backed it up with war that in the end, changed the course of history for the entire world…see….war DID solve something O.
The only president that Obama could most closley compare himself too in talking to enemies is Jimmy Carter, and he would bear the same fruit that that weak president did.

Obama actually said it would be too “harsh” of a responce in using nukes on Iran if Iran nuked Isreal…not that anyone wants to see nukes zipping around, no sane person does but in him saying that it provides every tyrant and zealot out there a gigantic “footnote” in thier little black books on just what type of spinless person Obama is by dangerously and foolishly simply taking that option of the table, which may actually cause some whack job to feel he can let loose of a missle with no real repercussions.

Obama, dont mention Roosevelt and Truman in the same breath as your intentions of surrender and disengagment, you and them are from different worlds.

]]> By: Newguy40 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-29235 Newguy40 Wed, 09 Apr 2008 21:47:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-29235 After Pearl Harbor, Denny H would have had Franklin Roosevelt ask "....act on the root causes of attack on the US PAC Fleet by changing the policies that caused it..." And, last time I checked, we were killing the terrorists in Iraq and not down town Manhattan. Better in Irzq than Des Moines, I say. After Pearl Harbor, Denny H would have had Franklin Roosevelt ask “….act on the root causes of attack on the US PAC Fleet by changing the policies that caused it…”

And, last time I checked, we were killing the terrorists in Iraq and not down town Manhattan. Better in Irzq than Des Moines, I say.

]]> By: Denny H http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28783 Denny H Mon, 07 Apr 2008 04:56:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28783 Nobody likes to have their party or their candidate put down in these forums and God knows none of these current candidates are perfect. But just ask yourself if this country's response to the 911 tradegy has made this country a safer, more free place to live and raise our children? Did we use our power and our might to start building mutually beneficial relationships around the world? Did we act on the root causes of terrorism by changing the policies that caused it, thus reducing the number of terrorists? NO is the answer to both questions. We did just the opposite. It's ironic that our government keeps talking about protecting our freedom, but are we more free post 911 or less free? The terrorists have duped this administration into restricting American's freedom, yours and mine, with the Patriot Act and Patriot II. The terrorists have read our leaders like a book. They attacked us and our economy with our own airplanes and then used our government to send more of us where they can be killed in this unnecessary war which further weakened our economy. Our children and our grandchildren will be paying for this war long after we are gone. Don't talk to me about Bush's "legacy". It's being written in the bloody Iraqi soil and in the regulations of Homeland Security. Looks to me like the terrorists are winning. Nobody likes to have their party or their candidate put down in these forums and God knows none of these current candidates are perfect. But just ask yourself if this country’s response to the 911 tradegy has made this country a safer, more free place to live and raise our children? Did we use our power and our might to start building mutually beneficial relationships around the world? Did we act on the root causes of terrorism by changing the policies that caused it, thus reducing the number of terrorists? NO is the answer to both questions. We did just the opposite. It’s ironic that our government keeps talking about protecting our freedom, but are we more free post 911 or less free? The terrorists have duped this administration into restricting American’s freedom, yours and mine, with the Patriot Act and Patriot II. The terrorists have read our leaders like a book. They attacked us and our economy with our own airplanes and then used our government to send more of us where they can be killed in this unnecessary war which further weakened our economy. Our children and our grandchildren will be paying for this war long after we are gone.

Don’t talk to me about Bush’s “legacy”. It’s being written in the bloody Iraqi soil and in the regulations of Homeland Security. Looks to me like the terrorists are winning.

]]> By: Elizabeth http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28681 Elizabeth Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:47:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28681 Oh Please..conflating Obama's refusal to put a father figure/pastor whose first sermon was about HOPE with wimping out to rogue leaders is absolutely intellectually dishonest. To your readers who depend on you to do some preliminary research of Obama's speeches, interviews and position papers. Because if you did listen to interviews of Obama with the papers that have endorsed him where he's not just spouting canned campaign rhetoric, you'd learn that Obama abhors the likes of the gas bagger in Tehran and the likes of American administrations in the last 50 years that propped up jerks like him all over the world. Oh Please..conflating Obama’s refusal to put a father figure/pastor whose first sermon was about HOPE with wimping out to rogue leaders is absolutely intellectually dishonest. To your readers who depend on you to do some preliminary research of Obama’s speeches, interviews and position papers. Because if you did listen to interviews of Obama with the papers that have endorsed him where he’s not just spouting canned campaign rhetoric, you’d learn that Obama abhors the likes of the gas bagger in Tehran and the likes of American administrations in the last 50 years that propped up jerks like him all over the world.

]]> By: Chapomatic » Note To Self: Never Get Lee Smith On My Bad Side http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28569 Chapomatic » Note To Self: Never Get Lee Smith On My Bad Side Sat, 05 Apr 2008 21:02:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28569 [...] He’ll cut you, man. [...] [...] He’ll cut you, man. [...]

]]> By: Bill W http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28547 Bill W Sat, 05 Apr 2008 18:03:20 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28547 Obama talking to our enemies: Ahmaldinejad: America is the Great Satan! The puppets of Jooooos! Your presence in the Middle East is evil! Americans have been working on our destruction for generations! Obama - I understand your grievance Makmood, old buddy - and agree with you. I am here to listen and understand you. As a matter of fact, what you say resonates with me- it is what my pastor has been saying to me all these years. I'm not even proud of America. Obama talking to our enemies:

Ahmaldinejad: America is the Great Satan! The puppets of Jooooos! Your presence in the Middle East is evil! Americans have been working on our destruction for generations!

Obama – I understand your grievance Makmood, old buddy – and agree with you. I am here to listen and understand you. As a matter of fact, what you say resonates with me- it is what my pastor has been saying to me all these years. I’m not even proud of America.

]]> By: tanstaafl http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28416 tanstaafl Fri, 04 Apr 2008 21:06:03 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28416 Yes, your list is a keeper, <b>Tom W</b>. I've asked people before who bemoan that the United States is "hated" (or at the least disdained) would they please name the paragon(s) out there whose approval we should be seeking ? Cuba ? Venezuela ? Iran ? ...Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia...France ? To date, no one has ever been able to give any kind of reasonable or satisfactory reply when asked for specifics. They simply repeat that the US has lost "the world's" approval. Maybe we should seek "The UN's" approval. You think ? There's a sorry lot, increasingly manipulated itself by some of the baddest actors on the planet. Yes, your list is a keeper, Tom W.

I’ve asked people before who bemoan that the United States is “hated” (or at the least disdained) would they please name the paragon(s) out there whose approval we should be seeking ?

Cuba ? Venezuela ? Iran ? …Indonesia, Malaysia, Russia…France ?

To date, no one has ever been able to give any kind of reasonable or satisfactory reply when asked for specifics.

They simply repeat that the US has lost “the world’s” approval.

Maybe we should seek “The UN’s” approval. You think ? There’s a sorry lot, increasingly manipulated itself by some of the baddest actors on the planet.

]]> By: AST http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28379 AST Fri, 04 Apr 2008 18:36:29 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28379 He'll probably tell them that being part Muslim, he understands their feelings, which they will intepret as "I am a fool," and step up their processing of Uranium. He’ll probably tell them that being part Muslim, he understands their feelings, which they will intepret as “I am a fool,” and step up their processing of Uranium.

]]> By: Bernardo http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28225 Bernardo Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:37:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28225 We at least have one clue the "change" that Obama is planning for America. It's selling us into slavery to the United Nations. He has his name on a bill in Congress to do just that. Read Novelist Edward Cline's article, "Barack Obama's Global Poverty Act: Congressional Duplicity, or Treason?" here: http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5152 We at least have one clue the “change” that Obama is planning for America. It’s selling us into slavery to the United Nations. He has his name on a bill in Congress to do just that.

Read Novelist Edward Cline’s article, “Barack Obama’s Global Poverty Act: Congressional Duplicity, or Treason?” here: http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5152

]]> By: PD Quig http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/comment-page-1/#comment-28224 PD Quig Fri, 04 Apr 2008 14:32:55 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-obscurantists/#comment-28224 George Bush is going to be remembered as the guy who charged into the anti-Islamist battle bravely...but ultimately half-heartedly. If Iraq results in a stable quasi-democratic country, Bush's ploy will be seen as a bold move and the messy, costly manner in which it was achieved will be forgiven if not outright forgotten. Bush's legacy on the domestic front will be considerably less burnished. His 'big government conservatism' (oxymoron that) will be seen as the beginning of another period of ostrasizism for the GOP, following eight years of fiscal irresponsibility that was previously their only differentiator from the left. If America wants big government--and we certainly seem to on evidence--then why go with the cheap immitation? As somebody above said in a different way, those who dislike America and American policy all have their own messes to clean up. Moreover, anybody who believes that other countries don't act selfishly in their best interests is a fool. Bush got part of the one big thing right: he took the war to the enemy. Everything else is important but nonetheless secondary. George Bush is going to be remembered as the guy who charged into the anti-Islamist battle bravely…but ultimately half-heartedly. If Iraq results in a stable quasi-democratic country, Bush’s ploy will be seen as a bold move and the messy, costly manner in which it was achieved will be forgiven if not outright forgotten.

Bush’s legacy on the domestic front will be considerably less burnished. His ‘big government conservatism’ (oxymoron that) will be seen as the beginning of another period of ostrasizism for the GOP, following eight years of fiscal irresponsibility that was previously their only differentiator from the left. If America wants big government–and we certainly seem to on evidence–then why go with the cheap immitation?

As somebody above said in a different way, those who dislike America and American policy all have their own messes to clean up. Moreover, anybody who believes that other countries don’t act selfishly in their best interests is a fool. Bush got part of the one big thing right: he took the war to the enemy. Everything else is important but nonetheless secondary.

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