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		<title>By: Ana</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-is-good-for-the-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-138274</link>
		<dc:creator>Ana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 02:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is like the seasons, something fits and he wears it.  This approach is too risky for the life of human beings.  I remember reading a novel written in the early 1900&#039;s concerning the persecution of Jews in Europe in the late 1800&#039;s.  The author referred to this backlash as uncivilized and something that could not ever happen again in modern society. Then we had the holocaust.  

I believe in Israel.  I am catholic and respect that the Jewish race is God&#039;s chosen people.  For these reasons I will vote for McCain.  God Bless those who are blinded by their own hate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is like the seasons, something fits and he wears it.  This approach is too risky for the life of human beings.  I remember reading a novel written in the early 1900&#8217;s concerning the persecution of Jews in Europe in the late 1800&#8217;s.  The author referred to this backlash as uncivilized and something that could not ever happen again in modern society. Then we had the holocaust.  </p>
<p>I believe in Israel.  I am catholic and respect that the Jewish race is God&#8217;s chosen people.  For these reasons I will vote for McCain.  God Bless those who are blinded by their own hate!</p>
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		<title>By: Ditto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ditto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Lawrence said:

&quot;Those that have a problem accepting that an African American with an Arab name can sort out right from wrong in the Middle East simply are suffering from paranoia...&quot;

But we don&#039;t have an African American with an Arab name that fits the bill.  We have a man who is 50% white and at least 33% Arab (I&#039;ve seen figures as high as 40%) who outwardly looks like an African American and whose friends and mentors are shady, at best.

Look - I&#039;m all for an African American president.  I&#039;m all for a woman president.  I&#039;m down with an African American woman for POTUS.  I&#039;ll vote for somebody who is purple or green or yellow.  I don&#039;t CARE what color they are.  All I care about is that the person we elect is qualified for the job and has experience to back up claims to that effect.

Is that so much to ask for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Lawrence said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Those that have a problem accepting that an African American with an Arab name can sort out right from wrong in the Middle East simply are suffering from paranoia&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>But we don&#8217;t have an African American with an Arab name that fits the bill.  We have a man who is 50% white and at least 33% Arab (I&#8217;ve seen figures as high as 40%) who outwardly looks like an African American and whose friends and mentors are shady, at best.</p>
<p>Look &#8211; I&#8217;m all for an African American president.  I&#8217;m all for a woman president.  I&#8217;m down with an African American woman for POTUS.  I&#8217;ll vote for somebody who is purple or green or yellow.  I don&#8217;t CARE what color they are.  All I care about is that the person we elect is qualified for the job and has experience to back up claims to that effect.</p>
<p>Is that so much to ask for?</p>
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		<title>By: viewfromafar</title>
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		<dc:creator>viewfromafar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction to this is, has this Jewish author even read some of the books of the prophets(the twelve minor prophets come quickly to mind)?
 I realize that I, as a Christian, believing in a Jewish messiah, called Jesus Christ- by the way,a french rabbi on the 2007 Christmas eve program c dans l&#039;air, mentioned that Jews need to reclaim Jesus Christ as the Jewish man that He was (IS),that I have no real knowledge of what it is like to be Jewish, however Obama does NOT bring to mind ANY of the concepts that this author speaks of,as the outside observer that I am.(OK I have lived in France too long)  
My great-great grandfather left Ireland during the great famine, so does this make me Irish, in the sense that I can have any say to problems of people in a country that I have never lived in, nor can I even begin to understand totally all of the sides of that story? The parallels are fairly obvious, especially as this author quotes Joyce...
 Anyway, as a Christian this Jewish man&#039;s comments bring to mind a verse in the gospel of John: a quote of the Jewish Jesus to the pharisees &quot;God could turn thses stones to Jews.&quot; It&#039;s the faith in God that makes Jews special, and unless they chose their heritage and bend their will to what God(Jesus&#039; father, the Jewish God, Yaweh, THE GOD, Abraham&#039;s God whatever) wants the Jewish people to do, the Jewish people lose their uniqueness in that very special relation that is their heritage as God&#039;s chosen people. They are very simply only Jews, in the sense of the verse sited above, which is to say a race of people with no more nor less importance than any other people on earth...whereas Jews are chosen to be God&#039;s special people, what an honor! Needless to say, Mr Yalie, find the thurim and the urim (spelling probably off) and ask God so that the true will of God may be carried out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction to this is, has this Jewish author even read some of the books of the prophets(the twelve minor prophets come quickly to mind)?<br />
 I realize that I, as a Christian, believing in a Jewish messiah, called Jesus Christ- by the way,a french rabbi on the 2007 Christmas eve program c dans l&#8217;air, mentioned that Jews need to reclaim Jesus Christ as the Jewish man that He was (IS),that I have no real knowledge of what it is like to be Jewish, however Obama does NOT bring to mind ANY of the concepts that this author speaks of,as the outside observer that I am.(OK I have lived in France too long)<br />
My great-great grandfather left Ireland during the great famine, so does this make me Irish, in the sense that I can have any say to problems of people in a country that I have never lived in, nor can I even begin to understand totally all of the sides of that story? The parallels are fairly obvious, especially as this author quotes Joyce&#8230;<br />
 Anyway, as a Christian this Jewish man&#8217;s comments bring to mind a verse in the gospel of John: a quote of the Jewish Jesus to the pharisees &#8220;God could turn thses stones to Jews.&#8221; It&#8217;s the faith in God that makes Jews special, and unless they chose their heritage and bend their will to what God(Jesus&#8217; father, the Jewish God, Yaweh, THE GOD, Abraham&#8217;s God whatever) wants the Jewish people to do, the Jewish people lose their uniqueness in that very special relation that is their heritage as God&#8217;s chosen people. They are very simply only Jews, in the sense of the verse sited above, which is to say a race of people with no more nor less importance than any other people on earth&#8230;whereas Jews are chosen to be God&#8217;s special people, what an honor! Needless to say, Mr Yalie, find the thurim and the urim (spelling probably off) and ask God so that the true will of God may be carried out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Lawrence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Lawrence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People criticizing Obama forget that he has supported Israel openly several times when it wasn&#039;t something that added to his political strength.  Those that have a problem accepting that an African American with an Arab name can sort out right from wrong in the Middle East simply are suffering from paranoia after too long a history of persecution and those that are worried about the Reverend Wright, don&#039;t understand the basics of the African American community.   Obama&#039;s relationship with him is no different than Hillary Clinton&#039;s friendship with Jessie Helms.  In the end Obama is the strongest supporter of Israel since Scoop Jackson and he deserves to be acknowledged as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People criticizing Obama forget that he has supported Israel openly several times when it wasn&#8217;t something that added to his political strength.  Those that have a problem accepting that an African American with an Arab name can sort out right from wrong in the Middle East simply are suffering from paranoia after too long a history of persecution and those that are worried about the Reverend Wright, don&#8217;t understand the basics of the African American community.   Obama&#8217;s relationship with him is no different than Hillary Clinton&#8217;s friendship with Jessie Helms.  In the end Obama is the strongest supporter of Israel since Scoop Jackson and he deserves to be acknowledged as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Senlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Senlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The notion seems to be that Jews are liberal democrats and therefore will close in behind Obama.  What is there about being a liberal in personal philosophy that makes anyone like Democrats?  Identity politics, open borders, ethnic quotas, socialist economics, the welfare state, secularism, kowtowing to anti-Semite African American &quot;spokemen&#039; . . . . ? 

Is it the cliched guilt, &quot;self-loathing,&quot; angst and/or ersatz intellectualism that Jewish producers insist on making a cornerstone of their movies? 

From what I have seen in the polls, there is a predominant anti-Israel sentiment among American Jews.  Is that it? If so, why? The very existence of Israel is in play like never before -- even 48, 56, 67, and 73 don&#039;t come close. Will American Jews feel better when we wake up and it is gone?  Wishful thinking aside, ask yourself who is willing to place this nation at risk to defend this oil-poor state of pariahs from annihilation -- Obama or McCain? The Naval Academy or Princeton? Rice or the curiosity-challenged Albright? These aren&#039;t rhetorical or scolding questions : can someone answer them (without Bush Lied-People Died and similar ad hominem sloganeering)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The notion seems to be that Jews are liberal democrats and therefore will close in behind Obama.  What is there about being a liberal in personal philosophy that makes anyone like Democrats?  Identity politics, open borders, ethnic quotas, socialist economics, the welfare state, secularism, kowtowing to anti-Semite African American &#8220;spokemen&#8217; . . . . ? </p>
<p>Is it the cliched guilt, &#8220;self-loathing,&#8221; angst and/or ersatz intellectualism that Jewish producers insist on making a cornerstone of their movies? </p>
<p>From what I have seen in the polls, there is a predominant anti-Israel sentiment among American Jews.  Is that it? If so, why? The very existence of Israel is in play like never before &#8212; even 48, 56, 67, and 73 don&#8217;t come close. Will American Jews feel better when we wake up and it is gone?  Wishful thinking aside, ask yourself who is willing to place this nation at risk to defend this oil-poor state of pariahs from annihilation &#8212; Obama or McCain? The Naval Academy or Princeton? Rice or the curiosity-challenged Albright? These aren&#8217;t rhetorical or scolding questions : can someone answer them (without Bush Lied-People Died and similar ad hominem sloganeering)?</p>
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		<title>By: P. Ami</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Ami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sean birnie,
I agree that Israel&#039;s survival is in doubt. This has always been the case. Israel has also provided the world with quite a few surprises. I just can&#039;t discount the possibility of G-d&#039;s mercy.
I have the sort of mind predisposed to aethism and frankly its this world- wide phenomenon of anti-semitism which direct my thought toward the possibility that, more then an impersonal god that has created this world, there is G-d who has a hand in history. He puts this hate in people&#039;s heart. Perhaps he does this to reveal himself to the stubborn amount his people. Perhaps he puts this hatred in the hearts of Gentiles and Jew alike to punish the stubborness of His people. I suppose this opens up an argument from Christians who think our stubborness is the one towards their savior. I gravitate more towards the argument that a secular Israel is the sin which illicits hatred. Not that anti-Semites think this when they hate but rather the hate is put in their heart and their minds work out a reason to match.

Obama would be an agent for G-d&#039;s punishment, as is Olmerd and the slew of leftists in Israel&#039;s government. One last bit of conjecture. It has been socialists which G-d has used against us for a hundred years now. Be they National or International Socialism, Arab socialists or Jewish ones, these have been the vessels by which G-d&#039;s wrath has manifest. We are now in an era in which another G-d fearing people would be the vessels of G-d&#039;s punishment. One wonders if this would reflect somehow on the severity of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sean birnie,<br />
I agree that Israel&#8217;s survival is in doubt. This has always been the case. Israel has also provided the world with quite a few surprises. I just can&#8217;t discount the possibility of G-d&#8217;s mercy.<br />
I have the sort of mind predisposed to aethism and frankly its this world- wide phenomenon of anti-semitism which direct my thought toward the possibility that, more then an impersonal god that has created this world, there is G-d who has a hand in history. He puts this hate in people&#8217;s heart. Perhaps he does this to reveal himself to the stubborn amount his people. Perhaps he puts this hatred in the hearts of Gentiles and Jew alike to punish the stubborness of His people. I suppose this opens up an argument from Christians who think our stubborness is the one towards their savior. I gravitate more towards the argument that a secular Israel is the sin which illicits hatred. Not that anti-Semites think this when they hate but rather the hate is put in their heart and their minds work out a reason to match.</p>
<p>Obama would be an agent for G-d&#8217;s punishment, as is Olmerd and the slew of leftists in Israel&#8217;s government. One last bit of conjecture. It has been socialists which G-d has used against us for a hundred years now. Be they National or International Socialism, Arab socialists or Jewish ones, these have been the vessels by which G-d&#8217;s wrath has manifest. We are now in an era in which another G-d fearing people would be the vessels of G-d&#8217;s punishment. One wonders if this would reflect somehow on the severity of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no monolithic &quot;Jewish&quot; vote.

I would propose three sub-groups of voters who are identified as Jewish (without limiting the existance of smaller sub-groups and individual nuances).

1. American Jews; these are Jews whose basic self identity is primarily as Jews. In this group one would include most Orthodox Jews, traditional minded Conservative Jews, Secular Jews with a strong Zionist bent,primarily identifying with the Israeli right, Israeli and Former Soviet Union immigrants;

2.Jewish Americans; Americans of Jewish descent, increasingly of intermarried parents, who self identify as Jews only as a matter of acknowlodging their ancestral roots, but whose connection to  traditional Jewish values are tenuous;

3. FDR democrats, people who self-identify as Jews, but have been married to the Democrat Party as a matter of family tradition.

I posit that among the Jews belonging to the first group, Obama will not get more than 10% of the vote, while in the second and third groups, McCain will be hard pressed to garner more than 15% of the vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no monolithic &#8220;Jewish&#8221; vote.</p>
<p>I would propose three sub-groups of voters who are identified as Jewish (without limiting the existance of smaller sub-groups and individual nuances).</p>
<p>1. American Jews; these are Jews whose basic self identity is primarily as Jews. In this group one would include most Orthodox Jews, traditional minded Conservative Jews, Secular Jews with a strong Zionist bent,primarily identifying with the Israeli right, Israeli and Former Soviet Union immigrants;</p>
<p>2.Jewish Americans; Americans of Jewish descent, increasingly of intermarried parents, who self identify as Jews only as a matter of acknowlodging their ancestral roots, but whose connection to  traditional Jewish values are tenuous;</p>
<p>3. FDR democrats, people who self-identify as Jews, but have been married to the Democrat Party as a matter of family tradition.</p>
<p>I posit that among the Jews belonging to the first group, Obama will not get more than 10% of the vote, while in the second and third groups, McCain will be hard pressed to garner more than 15% of the vote.</p>
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		<title>By: jweaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>jweaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What now Koffler is spreading his Gospel of Obama here as well. Obama is only right for secular leftist Jews that hate themselves, America and Israel. The man seems to lack any moral compass as he openly triangulates his messages to whichever crowd he is before. Think Kang and Kodos during the 1996 election on Simpsons, Obama&#039;s rhetoric changes to the awes of the crowd before our very eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What now Koffler is spreading his Gospel of Obama here as well. Obama is only right for secular leftist Jews that hate themselves, America and Israel. The man seems to lack any moral compass as he openly triangulates his messages to whichever crowd he is before. Think Kang and Kodos during the 1996 election on Simpsons, Obama&#8217;s rhetoric changes to the awes of the crowd before our very eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimnerly Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimnerly Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was having this discussion with someone just the other day. We were wondering why Jews vote for democrats when they are the party who would sit back and let them be destroyed. my friend said it is because most Republicans believe in god and Jews don&#039;t. I say maybe we should give them what they and all of the other moderates are  asking for, When the dust settles the conservatives would be in control for the next 50 years, why 50 years ? It will take that long to straighten out the mess 4 years of total Democrat control for people to get rid of that label once and for all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was having this discussion with someone just the other day. We were wondering why Jews vote for democrats when they are the party who would sit back and let them be destroyed. my friend said it is because most Republicans believe in god and Jews don&#8217;t. I say maybe we should give them what they and all of the other moderates are  asking for, When the dust settles the conservatives would be in control for the next 50 years, why 50 years ? It will take that long to straighten out the mess 4 years of total Democrat control for people to get rid of that label once and for all!</p>
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		<title>By: always right</title>
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		<dc:creator>always right</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: seeker

Sometimes it takes an outsider to see how ridiculous we have become.  Again, a rare outsider who is not brain-washed with world opinion polls, or blindly follows the elites&#039; edicts.

Some of us here &#039;GET IT&#039;.  It is not that we don&#039;t fight against their ideas, to fight against the socialists/communist leftovers, we are appealing to the better judgement of each individual.  We are simply not &#039;activists&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: seeker</p>
<p>Sometimes it takes an outsider to see how ridiculous we have become.  Again, a rare outsider who is not brain-washed with world opinion polls, or blindly follows the elites&#8217; edicts.</p>
<p>Some of us here &#8216;GET IT&#8217;.  It is not that we don&#8217;t fight against their ideas, to fight against the socialists/communist leftovers, we are appealing to the better judgement of each individual.  We are simply not &#8216;activists&#8217;.</p>
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