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Obama Shocks the Elites
Business bigwigs thought they were investing in a charismatic left-of-centrist. They were wrong and should have known better.
It would be funny if the stakes — the future direction of this country for many years to come — weren’t so high.
It’s still hard not to feel just a bit of schadenfreude watching many of Barack Obama’s supporters, particularly those who are among the well-positioned or financially well-off, fidget, whine, and moan as they discover what those of us who actually researched and studied the guy before the election knew about him.
Slowly but surely it is dawning on many of these elites that Obama is exactly what he was in rare unguarded moments during his presidential campaign, during his brief U.S. Senate career as its most liberal member, during his time as an Illinois senator, and, to the extent we were able or allowed to learn it, during his life up to that point: a far-left, class-warfare, redistributionist demagogue. They are also learning that he is bound and determined to impose a radical agenda on the rest of the country and that he has little interest in making exceptions for those who thought they were buying protection or favors with their campaign dollars.
To an extent, the fact that those affected have been caught flat-footed is understandable. Bill Clinton, the last Democratic president, was a draft-dodger and overseas war protester in his youth. Clinton’s campaign rhetoric had much of the class-warfare nonsense and ridiculous hyperbole — including calling the economy “the worst in 50 years” during a year when it grew by 3.3% — that has been the foundation of Democratic Party presidential campaigns for decades.
Though Clinton ultimately governed largely from the center, at least in appearance, it’s easy to forget that during his first two years, he reneged on his core promise of a middle-class tax cut; passed what still is, at least for the moment, the largest tax increase in history; and clumsily attempted, thankfully failing, to nationalize the health care industry. The Gingrich revolution brought this nonsense to an abrupt halt, after which Clinton’s most important concern became remaining popular and in office at whatever financial, ideological, or national security cost.
But the heavy hitters who thought that Barack Obama would end up being the second coming of Bill Clinton should have known better. First, due to large, unaccountable flows of money and an ideological determination not seen 16 years ago, the formal and informal organizations Obama and his handlers (not necessarily in that order) have built and maintained are far more sophisticated than anything Clinton, James Carville, and his other advisers ever assembled. More important, Obama’s core radicalism far exceeds that of even Clinton’s wife Hillary on her worst day. The fact that the media mostly covered up Obama’s extreme positions and associations to dumpster-dive in Alaska may excuse the ignorance of the masses; but it doesn’t excuse that of the elites.
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Tom Blumer owns a training and development company based in Mason, Ohio, outside of Cincinnati. He presents personal finance-related workshops and speeches at companies, and runs BizzyBlog.com.
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1. D-wah:Good job, great links and documentation.
I sure hope this kind of wake up call ramps up fast, and that more people will have the guts to speak up. His arrogance and bullying are despicable. They did such a good job of branding this administration as something it wasn’t, heads are still spinning as reality whacks them over the head day after day. I think they are so overwhelmed with the enormity of what he’s attempting that many are largely just falling back on their emotional commitment to Oplunder and just tuning out. That is, until they’re business or industry or personal wealth is targeted.
“Now the game has changed to “how can we play along with this guy and not get hurt, or at least not get hurt too badly?” Sadly, the only reason they may be spared is that they’re lucky, not smart.”
Sorry to say, those that voted for him deserve it. Trouble is, the rest of us have to suffer for their stupidity. Let’s hope they get indignant and the guts to let him have it, but most people opt out for the “safe” way. Little do they know he’s not going to stop even if they “play along”–he’s going to keep chipping and blasting away till everything is “leveled”, and our infrastructure and way of life is in ruins. Then they’ll wish they spoke up.
May 14, 2009 - 3:00 am 2. Carl:What Mr. Blumer didn’t say is that for the first time in our nation’s history there is real reason to be very afraid of our president and government.
With each day that passes it is becoming more clear that there is no effective way to stop the Obama.
May 14, 2009 - 3:29 am 3. Perry:“A liberal is someone who feeds his friends to the crocodile so the crocodile won’t eat him.”
-Winston Churchill
We Americans are food for the crocodile from South Chicago (or is it Hawaii, or Kenya, or Indonesia, or…).
May 14, 2009 - 4:08 am 4. David Thomson:I don’t feel the slightest pity for these secular elites. They knew that Barack Obama was a liar. He was, however, a Harvard University graduate—and was therefore not supposed to lie to them! These same people laughed when Austan Goolsbee told Canadian government officials to ignore Obama’s rants against free trade. The University of Chicago economist assured them that the Democratic Party presidential candidate was simply lying to the blue-collar union workers to get their vote. The evidence concerning Obama’s political radicalism was well documented. Who told these naive fools to rely on the MSM? Numerous scholars and alternative media journalists knew the truth about him. The information was readily available long before Election Day.
May 14, 2009 - 4:12 am 5. eurabitopian:“It would be funny if the stakes — the future direction of this country for many years to come — weren’t so high.”
No,no,wrong. That the stakes are so existentially high is precisely what makes it so hillaryous (sic). I mean where would be the the fun if all the retards; the young, the famous, the intellectual, the trendy super-rich and the folks from the hood, weren’t actually going to suffer as a result of their deluded idiocy? The biggest laugh is watching them still slavishly licking Dear Leader’s feet as he lashes them with a cat’o'ninetails and they have to pretend they’re lovin’ it since they can’t admit to themselves what is plain to everybody with even half a brain, that they’ve been suckered. I can’t help snickering at the palpable dismay emanating from the holier-than-thou leaders of the EU as they realise that not only will they have to start paying for their own defence but also won’t be able to afford to once Obama has destroyed America’s, and thus the world’s, economy. They look terrified. Priceless. Watching those who consider themselves superior being hoist by their own petards is deliciously funny.
So me, I’ve got the beers and pizza in and am settling down to watch what looks to be the funniest and blackest reality-comedy show ever. The future storylines promise to be side-splitting (literally), just wait until the Iranians and Israelis get into their slapstick routine, it’ll be the bomb. And those wacky bearded ones from the caves are sure to have a few explosively funny jokes. Russians are well known for their darkly ironic wit and are itching to join in the fun. The Chinese, on the other hand, have no discernable sense of humour whatsoever and are cast to play the straight guy to Obama’s clown. After all, they are now the O Show’s major sponsor so the joke really may be on them. I mean would you lend trillions of dollars to a mendacious but inexperienced community organiser from Chicago whose only achievements in life are; writing two auto-biographies, amassing a list of the most comically unsavoury friends imaginable and conning his way into the White House? No? Me neither.
So I suggest that all you typical-gun’n'bible-clingin’-American-white-folk stop worrying, relax, sit back in front of your PC’s and try not to fall out of your seats as this tragi-comedy of errors unfolds.
May 14, 2009 - 4:30 am 6. Mike2:It true, they badly misjudged the man. I remember the commentary coming out of the mouths of Conservatives right after the election. They all seemed to be relieved that maybe he was middle of the road after all. I think they have disabused of that notion by now. Obama himself said in St. Louis last month that we shouldn’t be surprised by his actions. He said he had promised these things during the primaries and the campaign and now he was carrying them out. It was obvious to anyone that was paying any attention at all that the man is on the far left of the curve. The fact is that he ran a very transparent campaign. That we all are going to pay for it is quite true but we all knew what he stood for, that is if we wanted to know.
May 14, 2009 - 4:33 am 7. Cato:Carl: There are effective ways to stop Obama, but they are literally unthinkable in the United States that we all grew up in. I wonder how long before we’re back to crimes of lese majesty like “imagining the death of the king” was in England when they couldn’t prove any actual conspiracy or act of treason….
Oh, the unwritten English Constitution was an improvement on the general feudal model, and laid the ground work for our own ideas of liberty, but it was, and remains, a frail reed easily bent by tyrannical monarchs (or now the state). Recall that the English had essentially three revolutions: the baron’s revolt against the tyrant John that resulted in Magna Charta, the Civil War over Charles I’s tyrannical behavior, and the Glorious Revolution when the grown-ups decided James II was dangerous to their liberties.
I’m sure in some 7th Heaven gentlemen like Cato and Cicero, Cromwell, Jefferson, Washington and the Adamses are looking down with grave concern for the Republic. Sic Semper Tyrannus – that the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia.
May 14, 2009 - 4:59 am 8. Old Soldier:Over the years I have worked with and for enough high ranking executives to get a kick out of this article.
A few of the executives I’ve met are down-to-earth common sense type people. Most are overblown egos who like to believe that everyone has the same motivations as they do – they just aren’t as smart. They believed all of Obama’s liberal campaign rhetoric was just misleading marketing, not the aweful truth.
Now they get the harsh wake-up call. The radical they put in place wasn’t joshing and isn’t going to make deals. Obama isn’t interested in business as usual while keeping the Dem masses satisfied with symbolic jestures like Clinton. He wants to set Executive salaries – ha!
Unfortunately, we all lose in this mess. Government interference in the economy destroys wealth.
May 14, 2009 - 5:03 am 9. Paul -Indiana:Are you still glad that you voted for Obama?
May 14, 2009 - 5:11 am 10. JohnB:There used to be a way to stop the criminal politician,,, it was called the ballot box.
Sadly, ACORN has stolen it.
May 14, 2009 - 5:39 am 11. Bilgeman:Mr. Blumer:
“It’s still hard not to feel just a bit of schadenfreude watching many of Barack Obama’s supporters, particularly those who are among the well-positioned or financially well-off, fidget, whine, and moan as they discover what those of us who actually researched and studied the guy before the election knew about him.”
It does make one wonder that these wealthy people and businesses, Obamachumps all, either apparently could not research and learn about his Illinois senatorial district, or that they failed utterly to understand what the facts before their eyes meant.
“Though Clinton ultimately governed largely from the center, at least in appearance, it’s easy to forget that during his first two years, he reneged on his core promise of a middle-class tax cut; passed what still is, at least for the moment, the largest tax increase in history; and clumsily attempted, thankfully failing, to nationalize the health care industry. The Gingrich revolution brought this nonsense to an abrupt halt,”
About the only centrist thing Clinton did in his first two years was “fast-tracking” NAFTA. I well recall that he, a Democratic president with a Democratic Congress, did that, but the “Striker Replacement Bill”, which would have banned the use of permanent replacement workers to break strikes, just couldn’t get out of committee.
The Alleged Hawaiian’s agenda, and that of the Congress, is stoking the fires of a backlash that may make 1994’s look like a schoolyard tiff.
People are angry and their anger is focused…for a freshman President with a thin record, that’s a BAD combination.
Tobacco users,(25-30% of the population), gun owners,(65 million citizens), veterans, Conservative Christians, Zionist Jews, Cuban-Americans, people who make over 250k annually, and the dupes on Wall Street and in Big Business.
All of those groups have been given every reason in the world to get off their behinds and vote these thieves out of office.
And just wait until his carbon “cap and trade” eco-nonsense takes it’s toll on utility prices and people shiver through a winter or two.
I entertain a fantasy that the Democrats might be the ones to initiate and conduct impeachment proceedings against him to salvage whatever of their credibility might remain with the voting public in a post-Obama landscape.
2010 will amke for an interesting campaign year.
May 14, 2009 - 5:49 am 12. Meryl:Over the last few weeks as some full-of-regret obama voters have crawled in to the sunlight and acknowledge their responsibility in this mess, there has been a common thread in many of their confessions.
1. They were “swept away”.
2. Yes, they realized that he was saying things that were very different for America, but…..
3. ….”I just didn’t think he would do this much, this extreme…and now I’m afraid.”
Oh, well.
Carl @2. I think both of your statements are accurate. I wish neither of them was.
May 14, 2009 - 6:03 am 13. AThinkingPerson:What does this say about our current administration when their elite Left gravy-train is now starting to fear him for his out-of-control economic policies and the ACLU and MSDNC are now lambasting him for his flip-flop (Thank God!) on releasing the interrogation pictures?
I have to agree with D-wah that those who voted for him deserve what they get although we’re all going to pay dearly for their uninformed decision. I’d also like to unfortunately agree with Carl that there is real reason now to fear our own President and his administration.
Scary times.
May 14, 2009 - 6:06 am 14. Terry Gain:The narcissistic idiots of my generation who went batshit crazy when their parents tried to stop the spread of communism in southeast Asia in the 1960’s have been running the asylum for the last 30 years.
They have been teaching their cowed students that all cultures are equal – except that the best, most advanced, culture is the worst.
It’s hardly surprising that the elites educated by these self absorbed boobs would put their faith in an elegant and cool, know-nothing, over-hyped, unvetted, narcissist socialist.
May 14, 2009 - 6:17 am 15. Bear:Great piece. Unfortunately, there is still an overwhelming number that haven’t woken yet. I guess they have to lose there jobs as well.
May 14, 2009 - 6:20 am 16. txgramma:There must be a way. Surely some of this stuff is unconstitutional and illegal.
May 14, 2009 - 6:27 am 17. The Shadow:Clinton was a draft dodger just like Cheney
May 14, 2009 - 6:32 am 18. Middleman:Blame yourselves. It was Christian conservatives running riot for 8 years that laid down the red carpet for Obama in the first place. When are Republicans going to wake up to the fact that their boarish naysaying isn’t going to win them elections.
May 14, 2009 - 6:35 am 19. fear Obama:Soon to come in an area near you!
Mr. Autobama has effectively shut down the economy of a large American city.
Detroit is now history.
I have cheap Detroit Pistons Tickets available now!
Discounted Lions parking passes?
May 14, 2009 - 6:36 am 20. Terry Gain:Blame yourselves. It was Christian conservatives running riot for 8 years that laid down the red carpet for Obama in the first place. When are Republicans going to wake up to the fact that their boarish naysaying isn’t going to win them elections
Running riot? Well perhaps if he had used his veto pen or had spoken up to defend himself from the vicious assaults of the very people who swoon before Obama more conservatives would have showed up to support the RINO the GOP ran against The Muslim Born Messiah.
The world is however unfolding in a manner which you don’t comprehend and the role of conservatives is to oppose with all their might every ill-conceived spendthrift policy and every attack upon our security by the naive internationalist and socialist. When the economic and cultural debacle he is creating is clear to the majority – as it soon will be – the GOP will be well placed to return to office and try to undue the damage.
May 14, 2009 - 6:49 am 21. WhyamInotsurprised?:Mr. Blumer, what you write is accurate. But I would like to ask that “elite slang” like “schadenfreude” not be perpetuated. It just sounds pompous like the “hip-slang du jour.” Reporters and bloggers are overusing it just like “enchanted.”
Also, it really irritates me that you and others constantly refer to those folks as “elites.” Maybe in their own minds but definitely not in mine. It would be nice to call them what they are, just as the UK Telegraph did, “some of Barack Obama’s richest supporters…” I can’t think of anyway in which the term “elite” is an accurate description. “Dumb Shits” is more apropriate. Elite to me used to be the expectation of the class of people in congress and the senate, people with unshakable virtues, personal courage, honesty and dedication to their country. Well, so much for my own disappointment.
The real barometer of our society and culture is that 52% of voters chose this clown. Whether or not they eventually feel his pain, it was just one dumb-ass move. For the next election in 2010, everyone should be able to answer his question “Ya feel’in me yet?”
I still don’t have much hope that even after being kicked in the ass people will change their vote. Not yet anyway. The pain will have to be a lot higher before that happens and the delusional realize that something isn’t quite right.
May 14, 2009 - 6:49 am 22. fear Obama:Now we see the fear in their eyes.
Sounds of fear in their voices.
Their writings will contain paragraphs of fear.
Dear Leader has made his move and knows the world will soon come begging at his feet.
If you do not appease the Dear Leader he will take away your wealth.
Now we will see if America really is the home of the brave.
May 14, 2009 - 6:54 am 23. C.O. IN Pa:Nothing here is “new”, if you wanted to know about Obama before voting for him all you had to do was look at his voting records….Present…he was too afraid to make a decision when he had the job of making decisions, that says it all, really. Plus there was ample other information available, I certainly read it & was able to make an informed judgement before Nov.4; I knew he was radical & dangerous, heck, look at who his best friends’ are: Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, that real estate criminal, a terrorist, a hate-monger of white’s & America itself?????
May 14, 2009 - 6:59 am 24. Bruce:Hallo? That wasn’t clue enough?
Now here we sit with a Chicago Thugocracy in the W.H. & the media kissing butt.:(
Who can believe a 94-like take-back of the legislature can happen?
May 14, 2009 - 7:00 am 25. uburoisc:The elites mentioned in this article are the same products of the same schools as all the other Boomers in America: Woodstock indoctrination centers.
The Republic is lost. It’s 45BC with a 1917 taste.
And the country club Republican Party did it.
The way corporatist socialism works is the big companies and rich supporters who play ball and back up Obama’s claims and presumptions (they lie for him in public) get the spoils when he runs down their opponents for them. He takes the skins of the uncooperative for political gain, and the companies that ally with him get to have twice the market share in a new political landscape. Of course, the new political landscape means you don’t control your own board, or much of anything else, Obama does, but that’s the deal to get the political machinery to weed out the troublemakers for you. Look at the healthcare providers, 10 years ago, they’d have fought tooth and nail, and now they come on hand and knee to join in. If you want to succeed, you have to befriend big government.
May 14, 2009 - 7:05 am 26. Middleman:Fear Obama,
Detroit’s demise was already locked before Obama even started his campaign. The Big Three’s fortunes didn’t just suddenly turn, the point was well on the horizon and they decided to ignore it. What do you think would have happened to Detroit if we just let them fail?
Terry,
May 14, 2009 - 7:06 am 27. Sebastian Shaw:Your argument means nothing considering you still believe conspiracy theories about Obama being some sort of Islamic Manchurian Candidate. Nothing he can do, except step down, will satisfy you.
Hints about President Obama’s extremist anti-capitalist views are rooted in his very varied associations with the likes of Reverend Wright, unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, & others of like mind; the elites just refused to see through the puffy hope & change rhetoric; however, Obama’s train will come to a halt possibly in 2010 with a change of power in Congress or by 2012 when his policies reach maturation & we have stagflation.
May 14, 2009 - 7:06 am 28. Harvard Yard Conservative:For years, in my reading of 20th century history, I could not understand how or why Germans did not see through the charismatic, former World War I corporal, who told the world of his megalomaniacal plans of national and world transformation. As an American I felt a certain amount of smug superiority towards Germans for their shortsightedness. Certainly, we Americans with our enlightened, democratic, and capitalist system would have never allowed such a malignant narcissist to come to power. Certainly, we would have rejected such a sociopathic leader.
Or, would we?
May 14, 2009 - 7:08 am 29. Brenda Levy:Middleman, the lines are not that distinct. I voted for Gore, protested against the war in Iraq before it started and am now conservative. The majority of people in this country are not completely liberal or conservative and instead hold a mix of positions.
A lot of conservatives are extremely disappointed in Bush II. We want limited government and fiscal responsibility, and Bush did not give us any of that.
May 14, 2009 - 7:09 am 30. Sebastian Shaw:Meryl, President Obama’s policies are going to be so bad you will not be able to find any Obama voters when the dust settles; they will deny they voted the Marxist in office. Heck, even the Congress critters may disavow Obama when his disastrous eggs hatch.
May 14, 2009 - 7:14 am 31. Pastor of Muppets:You conservatives only have yourselves to blame for Obama. If Bush and Cheney hadn’t completely destroyed the economy, the military, the Department of Justice, and everything else they touched, McCain would probably be presdent now.
You’re all quick to blame ACORN, and RINOs, and rich liberals, and college kids, and minorities, and uninformed voters, and a whole slew of other groups for what you perceive to be this new socialist nightmare, but the truth is that in the last 8 years Republicans created an environment that was so toxic and horrendous to most Americans that Mr. Moderate and Ms. Independent simply could not stomach voting Republican.
The Democrats could have run a filthy gym sock and won simply because of the fact that the gym sock did not have an (R) after its name.
Additionally, the article implies that everyone and their sister is now waking up to the evil truth about Obama and are having regrets, but where are these people? They’re almost as mythic as unicorns. I saw a few teabaggers a while ago, but they are a small minority of the population. Find me the smallest ethnic minority in this country, and it will still outnumber the teabaggers.
And finally, of those who may now be disappointed with Obama, how many of those folks now wish they had voted MCCain/Palin? Of course, the article does not answer that question, because, of course, it knows exactly that the answer is: not enough.
May 14, 2009 - 7:21 am 32. Paul -Indiana:If Obama is proven to be ineligible for the presidency due to his birth will that nullify all the stuff he has signed?
May 14, 2009 - 7:22 am 33. Paul -Indiana:#27, some of us did see through the snake oil salesman.
May 14, 2009 - 7:34 am 34. jjkrn:Memo to CIA:
RE:
Birth Certificate
College Transcripts
Taped conversations with Ayers
Taped conversations with Blagojevich
Taped conversation of any sort
This is not a partisan request
May 14, 2009 - 7:34 am 35. fear Obama:This is a plea to save America
Please
Could have saved 30 billion!
But Autobama used it as a prop-
A huge Roman empire display with 250 million dollar Chrysler glass columns.
The Detroit generals brought to grovel before his feet,
the UAW placing wreaths of glory around his head.
Now the great Used Car Salesman will move on to the Republic of California and see what great glories the state union reps. can place at his feet or he will withhold their 6.7 billions of AutoBama gold coins.
Our worship for him will be complete when he declares himself a God and young Acorn youths pray to him for help.
May 14, 2009 - 7:34 am 36. AThinkingPerson:Re #30: “You conservatives only have yourselves to blame for Obama. ”
Anyone else read a bit of regret in that sentence? Suddenly TeleBama is bad enough that the GOP is getting blamed for his election? Priceless.
May 14, 2009 - 7:35 am 37. Ozzie:To 5. eurabitopian …
lol you nailed it.
It’s not every day you get to see a gaggle of clueless morons vote themselves into a suicide pact. To quote Babylon 5 “the avalanche has started, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.”
May 14, 2009 - 7:49 am 38. Middleman:Brenda,
I’m well aware the lines aren’t distinct. I supported every facet of the War On Terror, still do overall. I voted Green in 2000 because I had Bush as a Governor and didn’t enjoy it and disliked Gore. I disliked Tipper even more because of her PMRC days. In 2004 I voted for Bush due to the War On Terror and because Kerry was a dud among duds. I’m all over the board, but I have a vote and open to options.
Conservatives keep saying they want limited government, something that sounds appealing, yet I keep having my state and local conservative governments snatching away my right for ‘public safety’ and continue to battle the religious right trying to shove theocracy down my throat. Right now in Texas the BOE is full of creationists trying to push their agenda. Limited government talk is falling on deaf ears.
May 14, 2009 - 7:52 am 39. Self-hating Boomer:At the risk of going Godwin, there was another charismatic demagogue in Germany in the 1930s who the business elites thoughts they could control. I hope that this turns out a little better than that did, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t.
A teleprompter reading savant does not a great leader make. At least the leader in Germany had enough digits in his IQ to be able to make vapid but inspiring speeches without an electronic crutch.
May 14, 2009 - 7:53 am 40. rvastar:Actually, they’re right here.
Inauguration: 65% approve, 30% disapprove
Four months later: 57% approve, 42% disapprove
And let’s see how things are shaping up for the foreseeable future:
Unemployment rises again.
Retail sales fall again.
Wholesale prices rise again.
Social Security and Medicare are bankrupt.
Funny thing about being a Messiah…you better be able to work miracles. How’s that working out for our Commie-in-Chief?
May 14, 2009 - 7:54 am 41. fear Obama:I saw that!
I am so sorry that its all our fault your great leader is letting you down.
We deserve to be used as Gladiators to fight in the Detroit Lions Colosseum-
Or have our kidneys fail.
Hey!
I get first choice on weapons-
Pitchfork and Net.
May 14, 2009 - 7:54 am 42. Toronto Girl:Can’t he be impeached?
May 14, 2009 - 7:54 am 43. Karin:It is priceless. Bbbbbbut it’s Bbbbbush’s fault!!!!
May 14, 2009 - 8:02 am 44. Self-hating Boomer:Old Soldier (#8) gets the prize for insight. This is what happens when the captains of industry are all ivy-educated by communist professors. What you get is a group of people who are cynical about their own industry, vain about themselves, and contemptuous of the very idea of absolute reality.
Why are GM and Chrysler on the rocks and Ford not? The answer is lurking in comment #8. And FWIW, this didn’t suddenly spring out of nowhere. Ross Perot was talking about the problem 15 years ago.
May 14, 2009 - 8:04 am 45. G Alston:#11 bilgeman — It does make one wonder that these wealthy people and businesses, Obamachumps all, either apparently could not research and learn about his Illinois senatorial district, or that they failed utterly to understand what the facts before their eyes meant.
Read #18. He’s right.
Now, consider the fact that the social conservatives are widely regarded as barely literate and very much against science and progress (who else would continue to harp about evolution in this day and age?) What they thought they saw was conservatives taking a backwards position on everything.
Had McCain tapped anyone for VP that was less divisive, he’d have won. Instead, Palin was an in-your-face lightning rod representing everything that could possibly be wrong about the republican party.
Look at the facts. Given the in-the-tank MSM cheerleading and ballot box stuffing and so on, Obama didn’t lead McCain by enough to really matter: a steady lead of 6 points. They were the swing vote, the centrists.
This is sad. McCain gave away the election.
May 14, 2009 - 8:07 am 46. TennesseeVolunteer:Part of this is our own fault. Bush gave in on budget excess to the Demos because he needed to get the terror thing done. We all could have raised hell about the budget much more than we did, but kind of went along.
May 14, 2009 - 8:10 am 47. Aaron Byrnes:Now that conservative thinkers of every ilk (Republican, Independent and Democrat) are rising up, the MSM and the far left folks are trying to shout us down.
Keep fighting, keep educating your kids, friends and associates. This tide will turn and we can go back to the business of building America again, no matter how imperfect they say she may be.
“If Obama is proven to be ineligible for the presidency due to his birth will that nullify all the stuff he has signed?”
Perhaps if the elites become further alarmed, the question of Obama’s eligibility will no longer be seen asd belonging to conspiracy theory but will be seriously considered.
May 14, 2009 - 8:40 am 48. BettyBlue:Me, I want the curved sword! Or, maybe, a chariot!
Yes, I know, it’s priceless! Obama let us down, it’s all Bush’s fault!
May 14, 2009 - 8:44 am 49. D-wah:#30 POM’s dismayed confessional is quite something, isn’t it gang?! Boy, he’s really having a hard time propping up the facade. The article was bugging me reading it as I’m so anxious for more outcry against Otravesty, but POM’s admitted chagrin was a treat! I think the article got to him as it was nicely stacked and documented. Let’s imagine it’s indicative of a whole phalanx of dispirited, double-minded liberal gnomes. Now….”charge!…..”
Alert–be sure to read Iowahawk’s latest–it’s raw, but killer. iowahawk.typepad.com. Bighollywood posts him too.
If you’re new to iowahawk, read his archives–powerful satirist and often lol funny.
May 14, 2009 - 8:47 am 50. Bilgeman:#45 G.Alston:
“Read #18. He’s right.”
No he’s not…he’s full of $hit.
Name some examples of “Christian conservatives running riot” that Bush and the GOP Congess ACTUALLY made law.
Very few…as in hardly any.
“Now, consider the fact that the social conservatives are widely regarded as barely literate and very much against science and progress”
It’s the “widely regarded” bit that gives your game away, Alston.
You’ve apparently swallowed what the Liberals and their allies in the MSM put into your mouth.
Including this:
“Had McCain tapped anyone for VP that was less divisive, he’d have won. Instead, Palin was an in-your-face lightning rod representing everything that could possibly be wrong about the republican party.”
McMaverick the Moderate’s campaign was in the doldrums and taking on water fast until he chose Palin…it’s on the record.
The GOP might actually have won that one had Palin’s name been above McModerate’s on the campaign signs.
“They were the swing vote, the centrists.”
You think so? Then why are they whining about “inclusiveness” outside the Conservative club?
Go yammer about “big-tenting” at the Liberals.
May 14, 2009 - 8:53 am 51. Ed Wallis:Hey PoM PoM girl #31:
Not a single one of us voted for your Socialist.
May 14, 2009 - 8:57 am 52. Don Rhudy:Blame yourself, loser.
I congratulate Blumer for a good essay. But let me make this observation: The slide into Tyranny, which Obama has been able to accelerate exponentially, began in earnest with Theodore Roosevelt (who was the first U.S. President to propose Universal Health Care, and who was aggressively anti-business and large-p Progressive). Then after Tast, Woodrow Wilson, a bigot and racist who hated blacks as much as Obama hates the white part of himself, initiated these assaults on freedom: The Federal Trade Commission, the Clayton Anti-Trust Act, the Federal Farm Loan Act, the Progressive Income Tax (Revenue Act of 1913), the military draft, the Federal Reserve Act, federal drug prohibitions, and federal promotion and protection of unions.
Then we had Herbert Hoover, another Progressive, who did just what George Bush has done, attempted to quell a recession by throwing money at it, making it worse. He was replaced by a man who ran as a conservative, Franklin Roosevelt, and whose four terms set in concrete many of the Liberal (Socialist, Communist, and Progressive) nostrums that decreased freedom and established an even greater tyranny. The damage that occurred under the administrations of Truman, Eisenhower, and Kennedy did not compare to Lyndon Johnson’s perfidy in destroying the American Negro family with his so-called Great Society Program and unconstitutional gun control legislation. Neither Nixon nor Ford acted to reduce federal tyranny and increase freedom. Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton oversaw the establishment of the Community Reinvestment Act, the chief cause of the present recession. And finally, George W. Bush governed as a spend-thrift Liberal, laying the groundwork for Barak Obama, the perfect storm of tyranny.
In thinking about Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, we have to keep in mind that many ideologies–Communist (International Socialist), Marxist (both International and National Socialist), Nazi (national socialist), Progressive (Socialist), Liberal (Socialist), Democrat (Socialist), and Republican (Statist and Conservative)–are subsumed by the label Statist. All seek to limit freedom and increase tyranny.
American statists, whether Democrat, Republican, or Progressive, laid the tracks on which the Obama train is running.
Maybe enough people will awaken in 2010 to blunt Obama’s efforts for two years and then remove him from office in 2012, and maybe not. If they don’t, I have faith that eventually a minority of ordinary men and women (as they did in the first American Revolution) will correct the tyranny of the statists. But it will be a long-time coming.
May 14, 2009 - 8:58 am 53. Conservative Mom:Why does everyone buy into the Bush/Cheney failed 8 years, the economy was AWESOME for 6 of those years. The last 2 years the congress was controlled by DEMOCRATS. Why are we letting the democrats keep talking this crap! I hope the 2010 republicans running for congress make this crystal clear, along with the Fannie/Freddie mess.
May 14, 2009 - 9:00 am 54. D-wah:By the way, missing in this equation is any coherent counter media campaign on the part of the Republicans–or conservatives. There’s a little squeak here and there but no sense of authority and conviction. We’re losing our country, folks–we’re losing our foundation, Republican “leaders”. Soon it’ll be too late to recover for generations.
What we need to do is Swift-boat these usurpers. Any and every way we can. Guerrilla marketing style. I know the Swift boat tactic (which SO burned the Dems–boy, they hate the raw truth) was during the campaign, but with their walls starting to crack we need to Jericho march around this OIdolatry giant teleprompter and blow our dang trumpets!
Aren’t there any bigwig money boys willing to spend for a media campaign? Revisit Obambam’s questionable past, point out the obvious agenda and socialization, etc. etc. I mean, talk about ammunition?!–what more do we need? He’s exposed himself, lied to our faces, broken every promise, denigrated our country, compromised with our enemies, weakened our defenses, on and on..
Tea Parties are great, but sensing others’ are starting to crack, we need to sound a very public clear signal and break thru the media blockade so these borderline cases know their misgivings are well-founded, connect a few dots for them that the media refuses to do, and prompt them to start asking some questions.
For God’s sake, Tbone Picker is willing to spring millions for his stupid wind energy fiasco, where’s a conservative patriot who’ll fund never mind a Swift boat, a Destroyer campaign???
Till then, get to your Tea Parties, talk to people, look for new ideas and spread the word. People are starting to wake up from the hypnosis and listen.
May 14, 2009 - 9:05 am 55. The Shadow:HarvardConservative – I hope your comments are not the result of a Harvard education. If so the old place has sunk to a new level
May 14, 2009 - 9:07 am 56. anton:@19. fear Obama:
give up on those parking passes…..noobody wants to go see the Lions
May 14, 2009 - 9:18 am 57. D-wah:Oh…sing along..to the tune of Yusuf Islam’s famous hit…
May 14, 2009 - 9:27 am 58. G Alston:“We’re being followed by a buffoon Shadow, The Sha-dow The Sha-dow…”
#50 — Name some examples of “Christian conservatives running riot” that Bush and the GOP Congess ACTUALLY made law.
Stem cell funding stoppage, SCOTUS appointment litmus testing, Bush supporting intelligent design resulting in anti-evolution campaigners targeting school boards, etc. These are the types of things he refers to, the upshot being an image of republicans in general as the anti-science far right. You seemingly have no idea how damaging an anti-science image in an advanced technological society actually is.
Obama campaigned on green jobs. He’s a delusional idiot or a liar, of course, but he was pressing the science button that our technological society wanted to hear. The choice for many many many voters was simple: which party seemed to understand the role of science?
And sure, I expect you to do your best to downplay this, and this is expected. Political pundits you follow are not technically literate and are operating from incorrect premises which also impacts your thinking. The issue of science vs anti-science is an undercurrent and far more important than you seem to realise.
It’s the “widely regarded” bit that gives your game away, Alston. You’ve apparently swallowed what the Liberals and their allies in the MSM put into your mouth.
Ummm…. no. Fundamentalist types are regarded by the left and republican moderates in pretty much the same way. And that right there is the majority of the voting public. This is a fact. The comment therefore stands, unless of course you can show that an anti-evolution anti-abortion sentiment is shared by the majority of the electorate, at which time I’ll concede the point. But you can’t, and you know it.
The GOP might actually have won that one had Palin’s name been above McModerate’s on the campaign signs.
The only people who believe this are the far right. Certainly the majority of the country (as in my above paragraph) doesn’t. McCain lost. QED.
(That whole QED thing — you have a great deal of trouble with that concept.)
The problem overall is that the left campaigned on issues (finances, energy, etc.) whereas the right, rather than tackle these head on, clouded the McCain message with an appeal to the anti-science crowd via the Palin selection. The MSM was stupid and played directly into the strategy. They picked on Palin. They highlighted social issues just as the cammpaign had hoped for. They pandered to people like YOU and used the media as their unwitting lackeys.
You didn’t get it, and you still don’t. The MSM was never in the driver’s seat. The McCain people gambled via Palin on the “conservative base” crap and LOST.
May 14, 2009 - 9:29 am 59. Tina Trent:Hmmm, the Left hated Clinton. Despised him. He used up half of his political capital to reform welfare, wanted to reform it more, and was the only president in 40 years who bothered to make this a legislative priority, including Reagan. It was the best thing that every happened to the underclass, and still, it wasn’t enough, because he couldn’t get help from the Republicans to make the effort stronger. What did Bush do? He slyly enabled his business pals to continue bleeding the economy dry by refusing to do anything about illegal immigration, which grew grotesquely during his 8 years. Bush immigration policies are what is bankrupting California and other states. Credit where credit is due, and maybe what’s due now is a little less illogical hysteria about Clinton and inaccurate depiction of his record. Give it a rest.
May 14, 2009 - 9:32 am 60. cheeflo:16. txgramma: There must be a way. Surely some of this stuff is unconstitutional and illegal.
It is, and yes, it is. Regrettably, Congress and SCOTUS may not care.
I only hope that the 2010 election will neuter this dangerous man’s efforts.
I’m saying my prayers.
May 14, 2009 - 9:41 am 61. Carolb:“Why does everyone buy into the Bush/Cheney failed 8 years, the economy was AWESOME for 6 of those years.”
I always wonder this myself. I’m middle income (well under $100K), and I know lots of middle class people who did quite well under Bush43. I have a part-time business and I also did quite well during the Bush years, and only started to lose business in 2009. That’s why I always cringe when I hear Obama talk about the “last eight years.”
But, you are correct, for most people, the economy didn’t start to turn bad until late in Bush’s term, when the Dems took control of Congress.
May 14, 2009 - 9:48 am 62. D-wah:Here’s a great add-on to this article, George Will–Washington Post today.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/13/AR2009051303014_pf.html
May 14, 2009 - 9:52 am 63. Harry Schell:About all that can be done is bunker in, build a Plan C for some real periods of chaos and vote for another change in 2010.
It isn’t progressive to retry failed ideas because you think you are smarter than the last people who tried it and failed. It is narcisisstic, and stupid. With luck there will in fact be some real choice available in the 2010 elections.
I would advise being “clingy” is a good idea about now.
May 14, 2009 - 9:53 am 64. G Alston:#61 — That’s why I always cringe when I hear Obama talk about the “last eight years.”
My experience is similar enough to yours; there was nothing wrong with my income during the Bush years.
Who was Obama talking to?
Apparently it wasn’t you or I.
May 14, 2009 - 9:57 am 65. Ozzie:58. Stem cell funding stoppage, SCOTUS appointment litmus testing, Bush supporting intelligent design resulting in anti-evolution campaigners targeting school boards, etc. These are the types of things he refers to…
Stem cell funding stoppage = lie. Stem cell researched continued with federal money. Only embryonic stem cell research (so far a dead end) was stopped. Only the death zeolots of pro abortion cloud this issue to include all research when it is just the dead end of embryonic stem cells.
SCOTUS appointment litmus testing = a phrase that applies to democrats only. Of all the sitting justices, name me the conservative nominated by a democrat? Now name me the liberal judges appointed by a conservative? You will notice no conservatives nominated by democrats. Ignoring your rhetoric and focusing on the current reality, only democrat impose a litmus test.
Intelligent design is a theory, like evolution. Visit junkscience.com to educate yourself about scientific theory compared to scientific fact and the scientific method.
May 14, 2009 - 10:04 am 66. Professor Guvinoff:Today’s drama in Detroit is only a precursor of what will happen to the US treasury in just a few years, except there won’t even be any tarpery magic available to pretend that reality does not exist by that time.
Where do you suppose the energy of the tea parties come from? The last recourse is the intervention of the citizenry, before it’s too late.
Take a look at http://www.federalismamendment.com/ How can the magician-in-chief stop that one? There is still hope!
May 14, 2009 - 10:07 am 67. Bohemond:When the Lefties really get going they yammer about the economic horrors of “the last 30 years”- because, of course, Ronald the Wicked destroyed the economy which was just so, so wonderful under Carter.
Never mind that the quarter-century 1982-2007 was the most prosperous such period in the history of the Republic, if not of mankind. Facts get in the way of the Narrative, man.
Like the fact that the financial crisis was created by (mostly) Democrat meddling: Frank, Dodd, Schumer, Fannie, Freddie, and all the little Goldman Sachslets (and a big assist to George Soros, for crashing Lehman by naked shorting).
May 14, 2009 - 10:21 am 68. karstro1:Amen to your article. I am so appalled at how Hollywood and print media covered Obama. The unemployed will agree.
May 14, 2009 - 10:25 am 69. Bohemond:Meanwhile back at the collective, America’s own Krupp, Farben and Fiat are coming to the fore: Goldman Sachs’ collaboration is well known, and now General Electric-
‘At a recent conference, GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt claimed that America’s economic crisis was not simply an economic crisis. It was instead a “reset”, where companies that intersect with government will “prosper… and people who don’t understand that will get left behind.”‘
Specifically, GE via Tom Dascle’s health-data outfit will reap the (no-bid) profits of the IT side of Obamacare; and better yet,
‘ NBC Universal and NBC News will air more than 5,000 televised reports annually on health and wellness.
• MSNBC will launch a new, daily program dedicated solely to health information… in addition to medical issues it will also examine health policy.’
This hardly requires explication. And you wonder why MSNBC is the new Volkischer Beobachtung or Isvestia; or why GE execs flogged CNBC like a rented mule?
“The achievement of these aims is speeded up by the fact that all economic organizations, acknowledged, safeguarded and supported by the Corporative State, exist within the orbit of Fascism” –Benito Mussolini
May 14, 2009 - 10:30 am 70. Tom Blumer:#21, WAINS, I suppose “self-appointed elites” might apply in some circumstances, but the people I referred to (Wall Streeters, CEOs, top lawyers, etc.) are indeed in the elite class in terms of wealth, status, and prestige.
May 14, 2009 - 10:31 am 71. Sherab Zangpo:Excellent column, thank you.
I hope I am wrong, but we have seen nothing yet.
The policies of this administration are getting more radical by the day.
And what will this administration do when all the colossal mistakes it has already done will cause a scary inflation ?
At which “enemies of the people” will it point the finger ?
And are those “mistakes” in economy truly “mistakes” or is there a will here to cause a class clash ?
Questions, questions, questions, always in the hope to be wrong or that God can find an open window in closed souls and send a beam of Light and Love…
Thank you for the opportunity to comment
May 14, 2009 - 10:40 am 72. Phd:He told the world his plans very plainly, but very few heard the words. They just heard the “thrall”. During the debates, he should have been asked the question asked of EVERY person interviewing for a job: What do you consider your greatest accomplishment/failure”. And no answers about your family/personal life. What could this cipher possibly have answered? The election was a Jonestown moment for this nation. We must take back the Congress in ‘10. Then this insanity can be thwarted. There’s just so much that can be done by executive order. Very little of the stimulus money has been distributed so far, and the economy seems to be coming back already, as many had predicted. So there won’t be any good reason to actually spend the rest. Congress can put the brakes on the runaway spending, and big-government building. Hope is on the way!
May 14, 2009 - 10:48 am 73. Macko:The economy wasn’t that bad under bush. The media talked it down. defecit about 3% of the GDP. Now we’re looking at 12.9% of the GDP thanks to all the stimuli and bail outs.
People did speak out about boobama but were shouted down as racists. People are speaking out about the defecit but are being shouted down as racists or teabaggers.
All the folks that spoke out about Bush’s budgets, eavesdropping etc. are silent even though the spending and eavesfdropping have gotten worse. Go figure.
May 14, 2009 - 10:51 am 74. G Alston:#65 — Intelligent design is a theory, like evolution.
Thank you for making my point for me.
Oh, and it’s a hypothesis, even though the creationist backers refer to it as a theory to confuse scientifically illiterate types like you.
May 14, 2009 - 10:53 am 75. D-wah:Trouble is they’re waiting to spend the stimulus $ to win the election next year with last minute masses-pleasing BS. Watch for it–but I like your hope.
May 14, 2009 - 10:54 am 76. Pastor of Muppets:Conservative Mom: “Why does everyone buy into the Bush/Cheney failed 8 years, the economy was AWESOME for 6 of those years. The last 2 years the congress was controlled by DEMOCRATS. Why are we letting the democrats keep talking this crap! I hope the 2010 republicans running for congress make this crystal clear, along with the Fannie/Freddie mess.”
No, the eocnomy was not AWESOME for 6 of those years. If you think that the economy can go from AWESOME to CRISIS in 1 and 1/2 years, it clearly shows that you and most of the other folks posting on this board do not understand how the economy works. There were plenty of indicators pointing to the fact that this collapse was inevitable, including the repeal of the Glass-Steagle Act a decade ago, but most of the folks in the last administration ignored these indicators because a lot of people were getting really wealthy from this deregulation and not many in power clearly understood the price that would eventually have to be paid for this short term wealth generation.
So, to answer your question, the reason that you are “letting the democrats keep talking this crap!” is because that “crap” is the truth, and the Republicans understand that if they try to hawk the lie that Freddie and Fannie were responsible for this crisis, they will get shot down by actual economists who know what they are talking about. Which is why Fox News is the only place where the Freddie/Fannie lie keeps getting perpetuated, because the Republicans know that Fox is the only safe house to which they can go to repeat that lie out without getting smacked down.
May 14, 2009 - 11:09 am 77. stevent12x:Just read the article and I am wondering, who are these huge financial backers of Obama that are being so “shocked”? You named a single lawyer who gave $10,000 – and while that’s a serious chunk of change, doesn’t really make that much of a difference considering the sheer amount Obama raised – and alluded to “high-tech company execs” which doesn’t really mean anything specific. If someone actually has a list of recognizable names, amounts donated, and all the negative things they have to say about Obama, I would be seriously interested in seeing it. But just saying that his financial backers are upset doesn’t necessarily make it so.
And I’m just going to jump in and argue semantics for a sec… @#65: #74 is correct, people use the term theory too loosely when what they actual mean is hypothesis. A theory requires the burden of scientific evidence to support it while a hypothesis is (basically) just a “well, maybe…” idea.
May 14, 2009 - 11:20 am 78. Blackwell:#42-only for high crimes and misdemeanors, and spending too much isn’t one of those regrettably.
53 and 61: conservative mom and Carol B: Are you kidding? The Bush presidency and the GOP ocngress are liek the bartender that kept selling you shots as you were falling off the bar stool.
Your income was up because interest rates were at 40 year historic lows inciting real estate madness which went unchecked by the FDIC as federally insured banks sunk federally insured dollars into debt and credit swaps no one understood till they all came undone as the bubble collapsed. Hedge funds jumped in too and sold big packages of these idiotic things to banks. meanwhile baks loaned to people that should never have been buying. 84% of all mortgages for new homes in San Francisco in 2004, for example, were ARM’s–meaning to people that could not qualify for a fixed rate for 30 years; meaning that when rates adjusted these people would lose their house unless their income had gone up. Way up. Other homeowners were encouraged to suck out “equity” from their homes (that really means take on more debt) and spend it on “a vacation, a boat, a second home…” and other shit they didn’t need.
Yeah! Everyone felt great! Just like they did in 1988 and 1969! Just before the recessions of 1970 and 1991. Loaded with debt, people were nailed when the bubble burst and the smart money people begain selling out in 2007. When 2/3 of the people in California could not put a down payment on or make payments on a median priced house, what did people think was going to happen?
I’m not excusing the democrats at all. I detest Kerry and Gore. But if the democrats brought us to the bar and bought the first three rounds, the GOP kept buying and made the hangover what it is today. A Bad one. Now the democrats are making it even worse by spending even more. Wait till inflation hits late this year or next.
May 14, 2009 - 11:26 am 79. Ed Wallis:Keep up your propaganda, PoM PoM girl #76.
Freddie/Fannie “lie”?!
Try looking up Bill CLinton’s revisions/amendments to the Community Reinvestment Act.
Waiting for liberal whining of RAAAACISSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTT!!! in 3…2…1…
May 14, 2009 - 11:27 am 80. Blackwell:77: Oh come on Pastor, I know Bush isn’t exempt from blame but trying to give the democrats a pass from their 50% shate of the blame is simply dishonest. That’s as intellectually dishonest as calling truman a war crimial for dropping the A-bomb.
What next? Settlers deserved to be scalped by the indians? Aaron Burr was a patriot? Alger Hiss was framed?
May 14, 2009 - 11:30 am 81. AThinkingPerson:Re #76: “If you think that the economy can go from AWESOME to CRISIS in 1 and 1/2 years, it clearly shows that you and most of the other folks posting on this board do not understand how the economy works.”
You’re right that the economy can’t go from awesome to crisis in 1 and 1/2 years but you forgot one important detail and that is TeleBama’s tragic budget and automaker/bank/union buyouts IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF HIS ADMINISTRATION (notice I didn’t add on the trillions for his health care agenda but that’s coming soon!). Now I know that those factors are hard to stomach as they cannot be tacked onto Bush without looking like a party-line hack but those ARE the facts. The economy when from losing steam to being in the toilet thanks to voting in an empty suit with a liberal agenda coupled with a scheming, lying Speaker of the House willing to bankrupt the US for campaign funds and political gain.
FYI…. Fox News is the only place where Freddie/Fannie get discussed because the MSM elected TeleBama and now have to prop him up at all costs. We all know it (even you if you’d take your party-line blinders off). It’s so obvious to the outsider who actually chooses to do a bit of research before allowing any media outlets to frame their opinion. You ought to try it and gain some insight.
May 14, 2009 - 11:44 am 82. Macko:All of congress is guilty when it comes to the mortgage crisis. It wasn’t as if the minority party left the planet. There needs to be a more indepth investigation and people need to be brought to trial. One question I have is how these toxic mortgages made it into AAA bonds ?
Fannie and Freddie need to be investigated thoroughly even if for no other reason than for some people to say I told you so if they are not corrupt. The investigation needs to include ACORN and community organizers once again even if just to say I told you so if they are not corrupt.
There won’t be a whole lot of I told you so goning on. But we cannot allow the government to crucify financial institutions that did what they were told by congress unless they in turn financially supported members of congress.
I wonder if the reason congress has chosen to bail out so many institutions is because those same institutions and personnel from those institutions have got congress by the short hairs. We just saw one up for an appointment in this administration.
It might just be the old “If I go down you’re going with me”
May 14, 2009 - 11:45 am 83. Moogie:To those liberals who post on PJ:
1. A conservative doth not a Republican make. Stop blaming the conservatives for the Republicans’ mistakes.
2. The Republican does NOT need to become more moderate – it was this wishy washy RINO squishy moderate attitude that has lost voters over the years.
3. If it weren’t for Sarah Palin, McCain wouldn’t have gotten half the votes he received. McCain is another squishy Republican – Palin appealed to the true conservatives.
4. Stop calling all conservatives “Christian conservatives” as though this label is supposed to apply to all conservatives. I know a lot of brilliant non-Christian (Jewish, atheist, agnostic) conservatives.
5. Stop defending Obama now. He has shown his true colors. If you truly want the United States to become a country domineered by a facist dictator, then just come right out and admit it and stop dancing around the reality of what this man is and what he is doing. He’s a statist/collectivist/tyrant.
May 14, 2009 - 11:48 am 84. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:I know you are, but what am I…I know you are, but what am I…I know you are, but what am I…
/We need a filter to keep the junior high kids out.
May 14, 2009 - 11:49 am 85. rickb308:12. Meryl:
Over the last few weeks as some full-of-regret obama voters have crawled in to the sunlight and acknowledge their responsibility in this mess, there has been a common thread in many of their confessions.
Also a common thread in many of the replies. “Screw ‘em”.
17. The Shadow:
Clinton was a draft dodger just like Cheney
18. Middleman:
Blame yourselves.
31. Pastor of Muppets:
You conservatives only have yourselves to blame for Obama.
One word: “schadenfreude” I have it. You don’t. Sucks to be you.
May 14, 2009 - 11:53 am 86. Sherab Zangpo:It is very funny to read the posts of the Obavez-istas.
So, the radicals made laws to COMPEL banks to lend money to unqualified people and the banks who tried to avoid the trap DID get under trial.
This created a HOLE in the financial markets, doubled by Freddie/Fannie (strictly controlled by the same radicals)lending to anybody.
The derivatives from the loans poisoned the WORLDWIDE financial markets.
Radicals’ conclusion: it’s Bush’ fault.
Very funny.
Well, this way of reasoning is the frame of mind that causes gulags and re-education camps (for those of us who do not accept to forget the Truth and what has really happened).
This is less funny.
But I guess that we will all see in the next few months where Obavez will lead America, won’t we ?
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
PS Soros funds made some billions of earnings when all this was happening and while everybody else was losing money. Isn’t that strange ? AS IF he had known before…
May 14, 2009 - 11:54 am 87. ic:Just as if…
3. Perry:
May 14, 2009 - 11:57 am 88. Ian Thorpe:“A liberal is someone who feeds his friends to the crocodile so the crocodile will eat him last”
Obama’s policies are mostly stolen from the UK Labour party. They failed for Labour in the 1930, from 1945 to 51 and for every Labour administration ever since. There is no reason to believe they will work for America now.
May 14, 2009 - 11:57 am 89. Kelly:I really have a hard time believing there are that many who regret voting for Obama, even the elites. His approval rating does not reflect any great regret.
May 14, 2009 - 11:58 am 90. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:Or maybe they’re the dreaded college know-it-all hippies:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154822
May 14, 2009 - 12:02 pm 91. goy:Pee Wee – I really enjoy your posts.
Tom, some of this is self-correcting.
Failing business hits advertising budgets hard. Who depends on those budget dollars for survival? The whores in the entrenched, Fifth Column media, that’s who. Newspapers are folding (npi) as we watch. And as things get worse, other departments in the left’s ministry of propaganda will be hit as well.
We can accelerate this. Simply begin deluging companies who advertise on NBC, CBS, ABC, et al., with letters and phone calls telling them that you can not buy their product because their advertising budget directly supports the man and the party who are destroying the economy.
Under normal circumstances a widespread boycott would have minimal effect, but these days every dollar counts, and if you’re right, and the captains of industry are waking up to reality, they’re going to get the message. It may very well turn out that the cashier’s drawer at Stop and Shop has more power in this political climate than the (now utterly corrupted) ballot box.
I’m guessing there’s a variation on this which can be used in the context of academia, but it requires the boycott of services involving far greater amounts of money and far more complex decisions. Still, it’s an avenue that bears scrutiny, IMHO.
May 14, 2009 - 12:06 pm 92. MzGabby:Good article. Thanks for reminding us how worthless Bill Clinton was. He has actually starting to look good compared to obama.
MzGabby
May 14, 2009 - 12:08 pm 93. D-wah:Moogs–as always sharp. I wouldn’t expect them to stop dancing, but good call.
Did you hear Oblamer’s commencement speech at AU? Rush had clips. My wife and I stared at each other, open-mouthed, in disbelief. You gotta catch it. He’s gone over the top with over the top. Simply Orwellian. (Rush will post excerpts on his site by tomorrow as you probably know.) This is gonna be the next hot topic. Sharpen your sword.
PS. Can’t wait for his video, “Demagogues gone wild!”
May 14, 2009 - 12:12 pm 94. Freddie:#31, #76 – How very sure you are of your opinions, but you are missing the point, especially when it comes to your fundamental misunderstanding of who a conservative really is. Your mistake is in generalizing. Please wrap your brain around this: not all conservatives are Republican, which is the reason this administration has to strong-arm some its own party members. Like thugs. Get it?
If you really did oppose Bush, and if you really believe the things you posted, then in light of this circus of a White House, you are writing for the wrong side, especially if you’ve worked long enough to accumulate, and thus conserve, your own bit of wealth.
May 14, 2009 - 12:18 pm 95. tim maguire:This is truly wonderful stuff. If people this jaw-droppingly stupid can get rich, then there is hope for all of us.
May 14, 2009 - 12:20 pm 96. tim maguire:It’s early yet Kelly. And don’t forget he has a dedicated crew of journalists on staff continually reminding us of how wonderful he is. The discrepancy between his rather average personal popularity (no matter how often the press claims it’s “sky high”) and the unpopularity of his policies is temporary.
May 14, 2009 - 12:22 pm 97. Macko:Those who voted for boobama and don’t regret it are either hoping for a socialist state or they are just not paying attention.
May 14, 2009 - 12:24 pm 98. Number 6:Reverend Wright and his audience prayed ”God Damn America!”
So God sent us Obama.
May 14, 2009 - 12:27 pm 99. betheweb:I am really tired of people calling Obama a Communist and Socialist. As others have truthfully noted, he is simply an Anti-Capitalist. Get over it.
May 14, 2009 - 12:29 pm 100. Blue Collar Todd:This is what we get when people disconnect the fact that ideas have consequences, and even necessary consequences. Obama’s radical Leftism was all present during the campaign and his 20 years of radical associates. This new and popular Totalitarian could destroy American Democracy by the end of the year.
May 14, 2009 - 12:30 pm 101. Pastor of Muppets:Kelly: “I really have a hard time believing there are that many who regret voting for Obama, even the elites. His approval rating does not reflect any great regret.”
True, but that does not stop the .0005% of reactionary right wingers from believeing that they, and only they, are the true Americans, and that the other 99.9995% of us are all a bunch of Saul Alinsky-worshipping, America-hating morons who don’t really count anyways because we’re all probably godless minorities anyway. So because they regret the election of a black president, and because the very notion of an America in which intelligent people would purposefully vote for a black man makes their brains hurt, they rationalize it by fantasizing that we all just did not know what we were doing when we elected him and now are collectively moaning “What have we done?”.
To them, a 70% Bush approval rate is a sweeping mandate, but a 70% Obama approval rating is just evidence that America has gone to the dogs. You really need to start thinking like a crazy person to understand the logic.
May 14, 2009 - 12:32 pm 102. Kelly:Tim, I just hate banking on the hope that his approvals will eventually plummet. It seems Obama has gotten pass after pass, when exactly does reality catch up?? Unless something really huge happens, I can’t see ‘journalists’ ever turning on him and that’s half the battle.
May 14, 2009 - 12:33 pm 103. kingbtd:Ha! This is a great forum. I’ve finally found a place where the right-wing-I-am-the-American-dream-rugged-individual dwells on the Internet. I didn’t even vote for Obama and I believe his current bailing out of the banks and insurance companies are going to be the self-inflicted gun shot wound that he and the USA might not recover from – but as an American that has lived in China for two years and who speaks some Chinese, and who has lived in Germany for over twelve years and speaks fluent German, I have say you people need to grow up and to get outside of your psychotic-narcissistic-world-of-Preordained-status-entitlement-in-controlling-eternal-history world… you’re all nuts. You all believe that in creating a culture and an economy based on financial institutions which have dealt in fairy dust for the past forty years have some kind of ‘real world’ standard or substance… weird. And threatening the world with military superiority or nuclear obliteration if they don’t play along with the fairy-dust-scam can only work for so long before the world becomes numb to the threats themselves… a crossroad in history. And then you want to blame Obama for a historical epoch coming to its end…Good luck to ya – you’re obviously the problem and you don’t even know it.
May 14, 2009 - 12:37 pm 104. Andrew:The only thing keeping his approval from dropping like a stone is the fact that the MSM is purposely keeping the people uninformed. They are not reporting 3/4 of what he is doing. That is the only way to maintain fake approval. If people knew he threatened bond holders, California governor or any of this other stuff-he’d be impeached.People can’t disapprove of what they don’t know about, which is and has been the role of the MSM.They onlt rpeort the stories that are too big to ignore. That was the problem they had with the Tea Party-people where hearing about it and seeking out information in areas other than the MSM. The MSM threw everything they had, including the DHS sink in an effort to try and keep people unaware or misinformed. It didn’t work. People are talking to each other about the topics and the one on july 4th will be even bigger. No doubt some WH or media stunt is pl]anned to try and take the focus of the publics attention off that.
The goal needs to be to infrom the uninformed
May 14, 2009 - 12:42 pm 105. AThinkingPerson:Re #101 :”So because they regret the election of a black president, and because the very notion of an America in which intelligent people would purposefully vote for a black man makes their brains hurt, they rationalize it by fantasizing that we all just did not know what we were doing when we elected him and now are collectively moaning “What have we done?”.”
You truly are full of yourself. Who gives a shit if TeleBama is black? YOU DO! You work his race into 90% of your posts. I DIDN’T vote for TeleBama because I actually chose to look at his track record and seeing he had NONE and when asked for a vote chose PRESENT.
YOU ARE THE RACIST HERE!
May 14, 2009 - 12:43 pm 106. megapotamus:Yes, the rot is deep and our speed high. Simple facts. There is one thing that everyone can do that will help though only in the longer term; that is we must not let the Oboys and girls to forget or elide their responsibility for this. Mostly, none of these fools knows the meaning of the word but this is their lesson time. You must keep them at their books. It doesn’t matter if it is your beloved brother or hated brother-in-law, do not let the stench of this task disuade you. Rub their noses in it over and over. Make them either endorse the Communization of this nation or denounce it. Let none deny that it is happening without loud and public challenge.
May 14, 2009 - 12:45 pm 107. Sebastian Shaw:“I am really tired of people calling Obama a Communist and Socialist. As others have truthfully noted, he is simply an Anti-Capitalist. Get over it.”
Betheweb (#99), This is your rebuttal? It’s a sad weak one at best. Why?
President Obama is a Statist which encompasses Communism, Fascism, Marxism, etc al; all have the common theme of being anti-capitalist. Presideny Obama’s anti-capitalism is poison for America & it will be his downfall. The United States of America will not tolerate a Marxist president.
The Tea Parties is just the beginning…
May 14, 2009 - 12:48 pm 108. goy:Pastor, why are you such a flaming racist?
May 14, 2009 - 12:49 pm 109. AThinkingPerson:Definition of racist in reference to Pastor of Muppets post #101…”Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate the matter.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racist_(epithet)”
Yet again PoM brings up race in a post. Just wanted to be clear on who the real RACIST is and it starts with Pastor and ends with Muppets. I guess if PoM votes only on skin color thats his right, glad to know the rest of us have the capacity to vote issues.
May 14, 2009 - 12:50 pm 110. Bilgeman:#58 G Alston:
“The GOP might actually have won that one had Palin’s name been above McModerate’s on the campaign signs.
The only people who believe this are the far right. Certainly the majority of the country (as in my above paragraph) doesn’t. McCain lost. QED.
(That whole QED thing — you have a great deal of trouble with that concept.)”
Do I now?
The GOP ran Senator John McCain, the Moderate Maverick, against Senator Barack Obama, the most Liberal member of the Senate.
The McMaverick Moderate lost.
What does this demonstrate, Mr. Alston?
To you, it apparently means that we need MORE moderation.
May 14, 2009 - 12:57 pm 111. The Historian:OUR POLL DRIVEN PRESIDENT
Obama always sails with the wind.
http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/05/copying-bubba-obama-governs-by-polls.html
May 14, 2009 - 12:57 pm 112. Nunya:“It was Christian conservatives running riot for 8 years”
Bullshit, #18. It was AND IS Liberal Republicans (aka RINOs, Democrat-Lites) doing that “bipartisan” crapola who paved the way for the Obamanation.
Three other causes of the 2008 election results: punishing GWB and anyone with an R after their name; a so-called “news” media who was 98% in the tank for Obama; and ACORN who flooded ballot boxes with fraudulent felon, illegal alien, and underage “voters” voting multiple times.
Conservative principles win when they’re on the ballot – that’s why Leftist Liberalism cannot get elected until and unless it moves rightward. It’s why Liberals never debate, they only attack. Even now, when they control all 3 branches of government, are Liberals actually DOING anything to help this country? No, they’re going after such unelected “threats” as Rush, Palin, Cheney, and Carrie Prejean.
May 14, 2009 - 1:00 pm 113. Thomass:2. Carl:
“What Mr. Blumer didn’t say is that for the first time in our nation’s history there is real reason to be very afraid of our president and government.”
I’d say in our lifetimes… we’ve had Presidents like this before… and they were able to use the government (or just supporters) against people. Wilson comes right to mind.
May 14, 2009 - 1:04 pm 114. Macko:“a bunch of Saul Alinsky-worshipping, America-hating morons ” add self hating along with intestinal distress
That would probably the best description of how I see the lefties that rant on this forum.
May 14, 2009 - 1:09 pm 115. rvastar:Which was accomplished by a Senate vote of 90-8 and signed into law by one William Jefferson Clinton. Not that it really matters, since the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act had nothing to do with the mortgage market meltdown.
Republicans don’t claim that Freddie and Fannie are solely responsible…Clinton’s 1995 revisions to the CRA helped an awful lot.
From the serpent’s mouth.
Be sure to check out the chart on page 9 that details the history of CRA “commitments” – “shakedowns” would be a more appropriate term, but we all know about the Left’s creative use of language. Think “choice”.
Back to the chart, two spikes in “commitments” are of immediate note: one around 1996 and another around 2002. So what could have lead up to the 1996 spike? Maybe a 1994 lawsuit against Citibank for violating CRA provisions – a lawsuit that was filed by ACORN (Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank, 1994)? And just maybethe 1995 regulatory revisions to the CRA that were also pushed for by ACORN?
Oh…and who was the lawyer representing ACORN in both instances? Barack Obama.
Next, let’s take a look at this article from 2002.
Warning to Leftists: bothersome facts lie ahead.
Hmmm… “bond investors”. I wonder if any of those investors – which include entities as large as FOREIGN GOVTS – were at all hurt by the collapse of Fannie/Freddie’s mortgage-backed securities? And for that matter, were the economies of those foreign nations hurt?
Seems I remember hearing something about a global financial crisis…
As for the 2002 spurt, manga!
Money quote:
So let’s review: two HUGE up ticks in sub-prime lending commitments, one immediately following changes to the CRA by the Clinton administration and another immediately following Fannie/Freddie vastly increasing their sub-prime purchases.
Yup…nothing to see here.
May 14, 2009 - 1:10 pm 116. Trialdog:“Elites” my arse! It didn’t take a rocket surgeon to know what an untested inexperienced radical leftist meant when he was talking about “fundamental change.” Further, we haven’t seen anything yet.
May 14, 2009 - 1:11 pm 117. Thomass:#95, tim mcguire, when referring to wealthy people who voted for Obama wrote it best: “If people this jaw-droppingly stupid can get rich, then there is hope for all of us.” Only one problem though. He should have written “there WAS hope for us all.”
At this point, business is going to get much tougher and only the smart will survive. The smart will have to feed off the stupid. So, find the jaw-dropping stupid in your field, target them, and take over their businesses. Sure, they may get a bailout in the end, but at least you’ll get everything in the interim. Their days are over. They did it to themselves.
And finally, for you morons that didn’t get it, I meant to write “rocket surgeon.” Figure it out.
65. Ozzie:
“58. Stem cell funding stoppage, SCOTUS appointment litmus testing, Bush supporting intelligent design resulting in anti-evolution campaigners targeting school boards, etc. These are the types of things he refers to…
Stem cell funding stoppage = lie. Stem cell researched continued with federal money. Only embryonic stem cell research (so far a dead end) was stopped.”
Even that is only close to true. The Feds had not been funding it before Bush’s ban; ergo nothing was stopped. It just was not allowed to be started.
May 14, 2009 - 1:17 pm 118. Thomass:89. Kelly:
“I really have a hard time believing there are that many who regret voting for Obama, even the elites. His approval rating does not reflect any great regret.”
Most of those polls just ask if you like or dislike him. Which many (most?) people see as a personal question about it… when asked about his policies, the approval ratings numbers are much lower.
So, people would have a beer with him but the trend is they don’t like his policies…
May 14, 2009 - 1:22 pm 119. Jack Okie:#66. Professor Guvinoff:
I appreciate Professor Barnett’s efforts, but what is needed is not yet more amendments (and what odds would you give that the convention would stick with his proposals?), but repeal of the 17th and honor of the 9th and 10th. Term limits and balanced budgets do not belong in the Constitution, however we might like the idea. If the state legislatures were sending the senators to Congress the flow of money to Washington would be dammed – or else the senators would find themselves recalled in short order. Let the states decide things like term limits for themselves.
May 14, 2009 - 1:25 pm 120. Obama is God:Obama is GOD.
May 14, 2009 - 1:32 pm 121. The Wizard:accept him into your hearts and your minds will follow.
All Hail The One.
or die.
Heil, Fuhrer Obama!
He and his miscreant minions will soon have brown shirts marching through corporate America, gathering up computer files, seizing emails and documents regarding their disenchantment with our “leader”. There will be hell to pay….no doubt their businesses will be taken over for the “good” of the nation, with the proceeds going to support the world’s largest budget deficit and the Obamanation’s new lifestyle and clothing requirements for his photo ops; perhaps a portable teleprompter or two.
Ah, the MSM is still drinking to koolaid and continue their fanatical coverage of the newest dictator of the 21st century.
May 14, 2009 - 1:33 pm 122. Pastor of Muppets:Nunya: “Bullshit, #18. It was AND IS Liberal Republicans (aka RINOs, Democrat-Lites) doing that “bipartisan” crapola who paved the way for the Obamanation.”
Classic! The latest round of reactionary right wing revisionist history: “The Bush administration were really liberals!”
May 14, 2009 - 1:38 pm 123. Jack:The Devil always hangs you in a loophole after he buys your soul. It’s his MO.
May 14, 2009 - 1:48 pm 124. LivefromEPTexas:Remember what Jim Carrey Said with the “L” to his forehead…
May 14, 2009 - 1:53 pm 125. Sebastian Shaw:LLLEEEUUUWWWSSSEEERRRSS!!!!!
Eventually, Obama’s popularity will mirror his policy polls. Just give it time & stagflation.
May 14, 2009 - 2:06 pm 126. DN:This is a story of a classical populist
“In 1927, German manufacturing was at its postwar high: twenty-two percent above what it had been in 1913. In September 1928 Germany had 650,000 unemployed. In the wake of the great fall of prices on the U.S. stockmarket… By September 1930 Germany’s unemployment had risen to 3,000,000. ..
And the economy continued to slide. Hitler, meanwhile, was looking good to many Germans because he seemed to be a man who believed in something and wanted radical change… He loved innocent children and those adults who supported him – in his eyes real Germans.
…
To the unemployed he promised jobs and bread. His party had the appeal of being young and on the move. … he found support among the middleclass. He found support too from some among the newly rich and among some aristocrats.
(two years later)
May 14, 2009 - 2:11 pm 127. Geoff:….
Discouraged financial backers began withdrawing their support from the National Socialists, and opportunistic party activists began leaving the party. .. Hitler met with some right-wing industrialists, reassuring them of his respect for private property… The industrialists liked what Hitler told them, and, in January 1933, Hindenburg gave power to Hitler and his new coalition – the conservatives with Papen still believing that they would be able to control Hitler.
121.
You really are dim, aren’t you? I could have sworn I read about Bush’s liberal deficit spending on Kos just the other day, but I guess compared to Barack Obush’s 3 billion in deficit spending, W seems pretty frugal.
May 14, 2009 - 2:23 pm 128. Stephen:I have read all 115 (thus far) comments—some thoughtful, some thoughtless. Too much impotent snark.
Obama can be stopped—and stopped cold, and soonest—only by congress. In fact, it need be only by one house. Now is the time to turn aside from your “national” preoccupation, your snark, and your desire for the “main stroke” and focus on each of your House representatives. They are the closest to you, and the most vulnerable.
Get your concerns about all unconstitutional, rule-of-law contract abrogating policies down on paper. List what you want to see repealed or thrown out. Put it all in short terms a child could understand and start to work on your reps. LOBBY them continuously. Question their staffers incessantly. At the same time, work to build an organization that will credibly threaten to defeat him or her in 2010. Produce a clearinghouse blog on their actions and votes, or get the word out where these exist already. Be a credible upset to their job security.
The voice of the people is indeed all powerful, but “Congresscritter Smirkley” doesn’t read blog comments.
May 14, 2009 - 2:34 pm 129. Kristen Burroughs:The real question, for American conservatives, is how quickly can our next president undo the damage? Even Reagan couldn’t get rid of the Carter’s Dept of Education. Undoing four years of top-down rule will be nearly impossible, I’m afraid. My only consolation is that the powers that Obama has taken as his own will be there for the next president. This is very contrary to my core belief in a small, decentralized government, but maybe we’ll have to use the dictatorial power that Obama has amassed to destroy that same power.
I recently wrote a “children’s story” on Hitler/Hindenburg for you’re interested. http://politicalhermeneutics.typepad.com/weblog/2009/05/hindenburg.html
May 14, 2009 - 2:36 pm 130. Ed Wallis:kingbtd #103,
Wenn Du wirklich in Deutschland 12 Jahrelang gelebt hast (if you REALLY lived in Germany for 12 years),
then I truly pity you that you never learned a single lesson from what
Verarschung (making a mockery of others with the intent to harm)
and
Rechthaberei (very loosely translated: an addiction to entitlement with chips aplenty on your shoulder)
make of a people.
“Goodbye Lenin” was sadly true; East Germany did win. You don’t need a hammer and sickle anymore to be of such a mindset.
It is you who has lost touch with the reality of contemporary America.
Welcome home, or get the hell back to Communist China.
May 14, 2009 - 2:39 pm 131. shaui-jan:#76 muppet;please enlighten me about all these ‘actual economists who know what their talking about.’name one…besides krugman.
May 14, 2009 - 2:59 pm 132. glenn:i see your love of race-baiting has not subsided.what’s next….going to tell us again how we’re intimidated by his genitals?
btw…he is only half black,didn’t you see sykes’ performance the other night?
remember that,the next time you attempt to pull out the race card.as in “you[ ]ing,racists are just mad because there is a half black man in the white house!”
your welcome.
Gee, some rich Democrat gets skinned. I’m so worried.
May 14, 2009 - 3:09 pm 133. CaliLinda:The election of President Obama is the end result of the educational system in place in our nation the past 40 years… graduates of the University systems returning to the public school system, government positions etc. to teach and influence policy at all levels. It is the revolutionary plan of Ayers and others. I’d say they have been quite successful.
The pluralistic viewpoint that all ideas and viewpoints are of equal value has destroyed the ability of logical discourse. The idea of one being ‘tolerant’ and ‘non judgmental’of all ideas and behavior is somehow enlightened is foolish in its most benign form and malignant and deadly when practice in the face of reality.
My chosen profession has contributed greatly to this quality of processing in society. I am a licensed psychotherapist…one that stresses personal responsibility no matter how many lemons life hands you… however, the popular desimination of the therapeutic process has become victimology and blame someone other than what choices are made in light of what has transpired in your life.
The ideology of a positive self concept will make you a better person… ah, but only if that positive self concept is based in reality/fact of some actually measurable behavior or quality… and then only if that behavior or quality is actually something that is socially positive. (I have worked with criminals with excellent self concepts in their chosen area of expertise!)
We now have a president who fulfills all of the new and wonderful educational programs/concepts in place throughout K-12 and beyond throughout our nation.
America is young and an experiment…I hope she survives.
May 14, 2009 - 3:11 pm 134. Doc99:The sign in the STD clinic reads: Erections Have Consequences.
May 14, 2009 - 3:22 pm 135. GClarke:It is a long time since democrats understood or even paid lip service to the original intent of the US Constitution to create a central government of extremely limited and precisely circumscribed powers with everything not precisely and expressly granted to be specifically left with the states and the People. Obama as a socialist obviously thinks the government can and should be able to do anything, the viewpoint of those we Americans historically attribute to TYRANTS, the one species of governor the Founding Fathers specifically fought, defeated then proscribed on these shores. Did Obama in being educated by his grandparents as an American ever understand that? He certainly does not understand it now. He took an OATH on the Good Book to uphold the Constitution “So Help me God!” Did he mean it, or does he understand the Constitution completely different from what the last ten or so Generations of Americans understood? I wish I knew how he squares this circle.
May 14, 2009 - 3:34 pm 136. Moogie:#115 rvastar: Excellent post. The links provided were exceptional. Don’t count on PoM to follow them, however.
May 14, 2009 - 3:49 pm 137. Ed Wallis:CaliLinda #135,
May I please recommend to you books by Theodore Dalrymple…”up your alley”, so to say.
Best wishes!
May 14, 2009 - 3:54 pm 138. tedders:The more Pom talks, the more conservatives win! What a tool, uneducated tool at that!
Keep it up Pom!!
May 14, 2009 - 4:01 pm 139. tony smith:The last Republican president was a draft dodger, an alocoholic, and a recreational cocaine user, who also had a pronounced deficiency in the English language.
May 14, 2009 - 4:04 pm 140. Pastor of Muppets:Obama won in a landslide.
And his approval ratings hover over 70 percent.
What does that say to you neo-cons in the dismal minority?
May 14, 2009 - 4:15 pm 141. Andrew:If I weren’t a Christian I would wish that their punishment for helping to bring about the current political state of affairs would be to live in a refrigerator box and eat out of dumpsters for the rest of their lives.
May 14, 2009 - 4:21 pm 142. hawkeye:poor pastor, when conservative free speech is curtailed, he , and other liberals posting here for pay , will join the unemployed, just like everyone else.
May 14, 2009 - 4:25 pm 143. sheesh:141. Andrew . . . “If I weren’t a Christian I would wish that their punishment for helping to bring about the current political state of affairs would be to live in a refrigerator box and eat out of dumpsters for the rest of their lives.”
It’d be easy to call out your phony baloney restraint as the meanderings of yet another ignorant born-again bullshit artist, but I’m a Christian so I won’t do that.
May 14, 2009 - 4:31 pm 144. Blackwell:140: “Obama won in a landslide. And his approval ratings hover over 70 percent. What does that say to you neo-cons in the dismal minority?”
That a bad economy understandably sways lots of voters and an articulate hopeful candidate trumps a tired, uninspired and uninspiring one.
Here are some things it does not say: borrowing 13% of GDP is a good thing, releasing photos of alleged abuse is the right thing to do or that the chinese will continue to fund this borrowing. Please think for yourself and stop acting like a monk receiving a papal bull. If it helps a bit, remember: you don’t vote on truth or sound fiscal policy. You can try but the truth and sound fical policy remain what they are, not what you want them to be.
May 14, 2009 - 4:36 pm 145. Pastor of Muppets:It’s sad to see there are this many racists left in this country.
May 14, 2009 - 4:37 pm 146. tedders:The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Wednesday shows that 37% of the nation’s voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Keep on talking PoM PoM, keep on talking!! LOL
Your not even 1/2 way there man!!
May 14, 2009 - 4:40 pm 147. Gary Ogletree:Get your gold, silver, guns and ammo while you can.
May 14, 2009 - 4:40 pm 148. shaui-jan:muppet;all your ‘facts’ get debunked almost immediately,and you have about as much credibility around here as john edwards.
May 14, 2009 - 4:41 pm 149. tedders:who are you trying to convince?
the eternal question….along with all those phantom economists you spoke of.
“Obama won in a landslide.”
In your dreams! If there was a do over today he’d lose by a landslide, at least by your definition of a landslide. All we have to do is wait for 2010, he’ll be neutered then (just like Jesse Jackson wanted!!!). LOL
May 14, 2009 - 4:43 pm 150. Bilgeman:#140 PoM:
“Obama won in a landslide.
And his approval ratings hover over 70 percent.
What does that say to you neo-cons in the dismal minority?”
One: You either don’t know, or are purposely obfuscating the definition of “landslide”.
Reagan over Mondale was a landslide.
Nixon over McGovern was a landslide.
LBJ over Goldwater was THE landslide.
The Alleged Hawaiian’s victory wasn’t a landslide.
Two: Nowhere to go but down, ace. How far and how fast are the only unanswered questions.
Three: You’re scared. Your boy has proven himself a busted flush, and you’ve pushed all your chips into the pot.
When it comes time to call, you folks are going to be busted flat, and for a long, long time to come.
And you know it, (and so do some of us).
May 14, 2009 - 4:43 pm 151. twobyfour:Sock Muppet/140
Are that your polls amongst your peers?
May 14, 2009 - 4:44 pm 152. Bilgeman:Watch the land slide under his feet in the next few years, and his approval ratings hover above 15 points.
#145 PoM:
“It’s sad to see there are this many racists left in this country.”
And THAT comment tells me that we have definitively won the argument…and it took no more than 4 months.
May 14, 2009 - 4:46 pm 153. shaui-jan:it is sad to see muppet not having anything left to say….
May 14, 2009 - 4:52 pm 154. Eric:#58 G Aston:
“Stem cell funding stoppage, SCOTUS appointment litmus testing, Bush supporting intelligent design resulting in anti-evolution campaigners targeting school boards”
1. Doesn’t it seem at least a little odd to you that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has to be involved in Stem cell funding? Is that part of the Constitution Article I Section 8-the commerce clause?
2. Litmus test? You mean that the law should follow the law and not make up laws. Do you really see abortion listed in the Constitution? Couldn’t Congress mandate abortions, as an example?
3. Intelligence design? I am sorry. Did Bush do that? Some proof please.
Meanwhile it is amazing that Obama gets the “science” crowd. Please have him review J-PAL at MIT and the studies that educational vouchers work and free school uniforms for girls do more for limited pregnancies than sex education class. Or the CDC on the benefits of abstinence education. Like Bush, Obama only follows science that fits his preconceptions.
May 14, 2009 - 5:12 pm 155. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:And in 145, the troll throws in the towel…
May 14, 2009 - 5:22 pm 156. Boots:If you want to see how Barack Obama treats his friends, look up Tony Rezko (you know, the now-convicted felon whose largesse provided Barack & Michelle with their Hyde Park mansion, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash). He’s still in the metropolitan correctional center in Chicago, where he has been for over a year. He’s of no more use to Obama, so see ya later!
May 14, 2009 - 6:05 pm 157. AThinkingPerson:Re # 155: The question remains though, was PoM looking in the mirror when he stated “It’s sad to see there are this many racists left in this country.”
That guy is the only one here who ever mentions skin color (and other parts of TeleBama’s anatomy). Freaky.
May 14, 2009 - 6:14 pm 158. G Alston:#154 — 1. Doesn’t it seem at least a little odd to you that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT has to be involved in Stem cell funding?
I’ve been on record here many times saying that the government ought not be in the stem cell research business. Be that as it may, it’s not the issue. What *is* the issue is the fine print on lab and equipment use vis a vis federal funding and/or restrictions. The net effect was that Bush’s funding ban did more damage to research than a cursory look might suggest. You can look this up instead of aping the left’s penchant for (wrong) slogans that fit on bumper stickers. Learn how the world works.
May 14, 2009 - 6:56 pm 159. twobyfour:Boots/156
There can be only 0ne!
[Friends are those doing his biding, and it is a temporary status at best. I think his handlers are a tad in a conundrum. They knew his sociopathic narcissist nature, but they thought they can handle him, they took the risk. But the only loyalty 0ne has is to himself, as is always the case with his type. They will have no choice but to go on offensive, probably sooner than at the end of his term. Its form would be dictated by circumstances.]
May 14, 2009 - 7:21 pm 160. MiamaMan:156. Boots:
[If you want to see how Barack Obama treats his friends, look up Tony Rezko (you know, the now-convicted felon whose largesse provided Barack & Michelle with their Hyde Park mansion, and hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign cash). He’s still in the metropolitan correctional center in Chicago, where he has been for over a year. He’s of no more use to Obama, so see ya later!]
Yo got it. A little anecdote, not very well known. His Hawaiian friend, who is part Japanese (and that he hinted at in his Mein Kapmft autobiography as African-American), have had problems with drugs for years, was in jail for drug trafficking in LA and came out and called POTUSIUS while he was campaigning. He answered the phone briefly but never returned his calls for help, threw him under the bus, as usual, the guy was pissed. You know, who knows if he knows more about POTUSIUS extensive, and hidden as his cigarette smoking addiction, drug use.
LOLOL
May 14, 2009 - 7:37 pm 161. fred:I think it is obvious that by 2012 campaign season the capitalist captains will be scarcely in Obonga’s corner. So, the bulk of his funds are going to have to be scraped from a far less prosperous under-30 population that will be facing headwinds of still-high unemployment, plus inflation. Also, many of those “small donors” I suspect were fronts funneling money from overseas, especially the Middle East.
I’m in the investment business. I do equities research. For months now I have been reading reports and in conference calls with other analysts and economists. This economic recovery is going to be anemic and very sub par. Next year the unemployment rate will be near 10%; by 2012 it might be down into the 8% to 9% range, which will have most of the population quite restive. And that’s just the economy that is going to sink him. I expect continued embarrassing moments in foreign policy.
Folks this is going to be worse than Jimmy Carter.
Obonga will not lose his Far Left base of support and probably a good amount of the Soft Left. But the majority of the independents are going to desert him. The Republican base will be stronger.
We’ll close the margin in both houses in 2010, and then go over the top in 2012. I don’t agree with James Carville. Why? During the Seventies a lot of my generation (the Boomers)had drifted Leftward, and then were jolted by reality. Granted, these kids today are not as well educated as we were, but I still think a lot of them can learn from their mistakes.
May 14, 2009 - 8:39 pm 162. myth buster:Alston, the Embryonic Stem Cell Research supporters always badger the government for funding because there isn’t a drug company stupid enough to fund their research. It’s a dead end, and anyone with half a brain knows it. They just pray they can sucker enough people into supporting government funding to survive off of.
May 14, 2009 - 8:48 pm 163. venividivici:103
My individual experience has been that people who descry individualism lack individuality and thus, make no sacrifice when they “give themselves up” to the collective. For people who do have individuality, sacrificing any of it to the collective, especially if it is not a voluntary sacrifice, is against their nature, although they will often do so to achieve some higher end.
I’m all for civil society, but civil society must be voluntary and hardly any of the aspects of Obama and Co. agenda are voluntary.
I also think you misunderstand the American attitude toward world leadership, at least as it manifests itself on this particular message board on any given day. If posters here thought it was “preordained” that America would play a leading role in world affairs, it wouldn’t really matter what Obama did, now would it? It’s precisely because people recognize the fragility of even a superpower’s status in a dynamic global economy that we worry that Obama is doing things that will undermine that status. Certainly I don’t begrudge other countries competing against the US, such as China is now doing, but I do begrudge it when I think my own country’s leadership is harming our ability to compete by doubling and then some our long-term debt load.
May 14, 2009 - 9:09 pm 164. Joef:If Obama’s a closet Marxist, which I’m now suspecting, watch out! Because the bankrupting and destruction of the capitalist system, and the utter social disruption it would cause, would just fit the bill. It’s the Revolution, Dog! There is only one thing left to do when the whole system fails, and that is for the government to take over everything and remold the economy per a centrally-planned model. Wait til you see what “redistribution of wealth” means when that happens! Obama’s actions to date have been so destructive and disrespectful of our system that it is time — past time — to question his deepest motives. I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but I am getting worried.
May 14, 2009 - 9:30 pm 165. gray man:G Alston, you are being disingenuous. The stem cell research that George Bush didn’t want to provide federal funding for was embryonic stem cell research. Other stem cell research was going on and continues to go on. Part of the reason he didn’t want to fund it was there has never been anything that had to be done by embryonic stem cells that could not be done with other stem cells. Why waste more Gov’t money chasing after something that was already being accomplished through other methods.
May 14, 2009 - 9:33 pm 166. Confused in Virginia:I have read a lot of these comments, although not all. I am not a Republican, so my comments are not intended to side with anyone. IMO, the housing problem started before Bush 43 took office, and although the Republicans should have paid more attention to what was going on, so should the Democrats, as the minority for the first 6 years of the Bush administration. The blame rests on both parties. During Bush’s 8 years in office, only 6 were under a Republican controlled Congress; the last 2 years were unter a Democrat controlled Congress. If anyone cares to look back at those times, the Democrats couldn’t get anything done during those two years, which is why things were overlooked.
Everyone wants to blame Bush for everything. Obama says that he opposed the war in Iraq, which makes for a great story, but he had not clawed his way to the U.S. Senate yet, so he did not have a vote. The people who did have a vote were forced by 85% of their constituents to approve going to war. It is easy to forget that now, and to say that everyone was lied to, but the fact remains that the majority of the country at that time wanted blood, and they didn’t care where that blood came from. I honestly believe that if Obama had been in the U.S. Senate at the time that vote was taken, he would have either voted “present”, or he would have voted with the majority because that is what the people wanted. Isn’t it so great to just feign memory loss and say that NOBODY wanted this war? Maybe that is what gets most people through the night, but know that at least 85% of you didn’t care which country we went to war with, as long as we got our pound of flesh for the attacks on U.S. soil.
I believe that Obama will end up being the worst President in U.S. history, and that whatever he does will set the African-American community back by at least 20-30 years. After he is done ruining this country, it will be a long time before another African-American will be trusted with this position of power. The sad part of all this, is that the MSM played along with him in calling anyone who questioned anything he said as racist. I never knew that it was racist to want the best for your country, but time and time again, when anyone DARED to question his lack of experience, his voting record, his affiliations with radicals in Chicago, all of that was deemed racist by an MSM who wanted to have the final say in who was elected. Well, they had their final say, and the way things are going in this country, the MSM will have the final say as this country may not be a country for much longer.
May 14, 2009 - 9:51 pm 167. Ed Wallis:For the benefit of the serious posters here:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/defeating_political_ridicule.html
May 15, 2009 - 12:58 am 168. Conservative1:140. Pastor of Muppets:
Obama won in a landslide.
And his approval ratings hover over 70 percent.
What does that say to you neo-cons in the dismal minority?
Wrong. 52% is not a landslide
Wrong. Approval rating is closer to 50%
What else do you have for us genius?
You are by far the biggest imbecile posting on blogs. You and Perez hilton have about the same credibility. Please. Leave my beloved country because all you do undermine good Americans with your liberal nonsense. What? Are you going to call me a racist? How about this? Go f*ck yourself you piece of shit, brainwashed by the media/college professors of the world socialist.
May 15, 2009 - 3:51 am 169. Conservative1:Muppet,
You are an imbecile. Keep posting here so that we may all make you look all the more foolish. Your affiliation with a POTUS that looks to destroy this country makes you the enemy. You (the useful idiot) would be the first to go in a totalitarian regime.
love with puppies,
Someone with a brain
May 15, 2009 - 4:10 am 170. Peg C.:I feel no pity for these fools, either. I hope they suffer. These rich nincompoops earn gobs of money and are no smarter than we are and in fact are now proven to be a whole lot dumber. It did not take genius to predict exactly what has come to pass, and a lot of us did. And a lot of dumba$$e$ could not see what was staring them in the face. Simply amazing. Their naive worldview ain’t servin’ them so well…
May 15, 2009 - 5:38 am 171. Lynn B.:Well, Monday I am changing my voter registration. I think instead of labeling the Repubs as the “party of no” they should insist on being the “party of no more”. No more bailouts, no more tax hikes, no more earmarks, no more……… As a business owner and a lifelong Democrat, I just can’t wrap my brain around what the Blue dogs are doing. Which takes me back to my first sentence. I am just grateful I didn’t vote for Obama. I also can’t be part of the Democratic Party anymore.
May 15, 2009 - 6:53 am 172. Bilgeman:#171 Lynn B.:
“Well, Monday I am changing my voter registration. I think instead of labeling the Repubs as the “party of no” they should insist on being the “party of no more”.”
Welcome to the Dark Side…we have cookies.
May 15, 2009 - 7:49 am 173. rvastar:The best piece of advice my father ever gave me was this:
“Don’t waste your time arguing with ignorant people.”
When it comes to the Left, it’s pointless to expect honest debate, Moogie. So remember, engaging them isn’t about convincing them – it’s about providing facts to the other 80% of the American population in order to offset the Left’s lies and distortions.
The Left’s House of Cards is beginning to crumble. Their only advantage is their monopoly over the information streams of news, education, and entertainment…but as we’re beginning to see – even with all of their non-stop lies and distortions – reality can’t be obscured forever. The truth is easy to discern by simply looking at numbers: Soc. Sec and Medicare are bankrupt…European govts confiscating 40+% of their nations’ annual economic output in order to fund their Leftist schemes – and it’s still not enough.
So let them bask in their delusions about the “death of conservatism”. It will only make the utter collapse of their political ideology all the more gratifying
May 15, 2009 - 8:16 am 174. rvastar:C’mon on in, friend…the water is fine
May 15, 2009 - 8:18 am 175. deguello:I actually think that these developments are GOOD for conservatism. Anything that impoverishes the left wing plutocracy weakens liberalism.These hypocritical enablers of libtardism, market endless mind-destroying novelties to people,support outsourcing our industrial base,lowering wages, through immigration,prematurely sexualizing children, and imposing relativist values,through PC commercials designed to market same.They are responsible for creating a culture of reckless consumerism,speculation,phony diversity,and real exploitation. They thought they could mask their greed by appearing progressive: handing out welfare mortages,to justify their outrageous bonuses and supporting an affirmative action stooge,for the presidency.Their chosen sock puppet turned out to be a marxist version of Chuckie,complete with a collectivist agenda.The irony is delicious.The less money these SOB’s make, the less they can donate to the democrat election stealing machine.Wait until the chosen one turns on Hollywood!
May 15, 2009 - 8:28 am 176. deguello:#168 Conservative1: Good post, but you should remember that when you call a “Pastor of Muppets”, an “imbecile”,you could wind up on Janet(the idiot) Napolitano’s terror watch list,No! it’s not that she thinks you are referring to her(a pardonable mistake),but that you are describing her Boss,who is, given his halfwitlibtard messianism,and the intellectual level of his followers,a pastor of muppets.Yes indeed, I think POM is really the Ohole’s nom de plume(or his teleprompter’s).Best Regards!
May 15, 2009 - 8:37 am 177. Blackwell:173: please keep arguing with them: undecided people, including young people, are watching. All you say and do helps the undecided decide. Part of the problem is the absence of voices against idiocy in the last 20 years. Undecided people may not make noise but they think and vote. They may dismiss the Pastor but not know where to go. They may ahve heard from teachers how intolerant and close-minded you are: but seeing and hearing someone like you ousts a lot of pre conceived notions. Please patiently point out the foolishness of people like the Pastor.
May 15, 2009 - 8:39 am 178. Bilgeman:#166 Confused in Virginia:
“IMO, the housing problem started before Bush 43 took office, and although the Republicans should have paid more attention to what was going on, so should the Democrats, as the minority for the first 6 years of the Bush administration. The blame rests on both parties.”
Not just the parties, but the system that they are but a symptom of.
It’s been rather overlooked in our endless Left/Right saloon brawl, and I want to toss this up in the air.
Over the past twenty years, and especially in the past ten, the real-estate market has been a Ponzi scheme.
Everyone bought into the idea that home prices were just going to keep increasing in value forever.
If you’re in the metro DC area, you should know exactly what I mean…people would, without blushing, market an Eisenhower-era refrigerator box, full of lead paint and asbestos and a very old and tired systems, for a quarter of a million bucks, and some other doofus would buy it without even blinking, figuring he’d cash out the equity when the next chump came along.
But there were other players in the game, the young, who whatever their other faults, could do the math and see that they were going to get the end of the stick that was all covered in poo-poo,(and face a dwindling job market where they, being noobs, would naturally have to suck at the hind teat, pay-wise, for a very long time).
So for a subset of the society, everything was looking swell, and their wealth was growing to the point that they would one day be farting through silk by doing nothing more than sitting on their butts and making their mortgage payments, there was another, younger set that looked at it’s future and saw hundreds of miles of very bad, (and low paid), road.
The kids aren’t going to play at a table where not only is the deck stacked against them, but more than half of any pot they DO somehow manage to win is going to be confiscated to pay for crap that some geezer has already spent.
Nor should they.
Because it’s the youngsters getting together and playing house and making babies, (hopefully the right and proper way), that is what guarantees the future of this joint…NOT Granny’s electric mobility scooter, OR the yield on Grampa’s unsecured corporate bonds.
The system that predicated America’s economy on unsustainable amounts of debt and unrealistic returns on idle speculative money has been rejected. Unfortunately, the anger was translated into an equally unworkable formula that will prove to screw the youngsters over even worse.
The dirty work is coming, in that we have to reform our system into one that promotes and advances the formation of healthy, stable child-bearing families…even at the expense of that golf-course retirement condo in Boca Raton that we older types may have been dreaming of.
If the Right can formulate and articulate a plan that does this, I reckon we’ll see the youth vote abandon the recycled socialism that the Alleged Hawaiian is peddling.
May 15, 2009 - 9:32 am 179. bobbcat:143. sheesh to 141 Andrew:It’d be easy to call out your phony baloney restraint as the meanderings of yet another ignorant born-again bullshit artist, but I’m a Christian so I won’t do that.
You just did though; some Christian you are.
May 15, 2009 - 11:04 am 180. G Alston:#179 — You just did though; some Christian you are.
Obviously some forms of humour are far too sophisticated for the binary mind. (It’s a joke, son.)
#172 — Welcome to the Dark Side…we have cookies.
ROFL! Now *that* is funny. Well done.
May 15, 2009 - 11:51 am 181. Paul -Indiana:In spite of ACORN, we can still limit their damage to the voting bloc. The INK STAINED finger when you have cast your ballot will prevent multiple voting by the same individual. Iraq has it right.
May 15, 2009 - 1:40 pm 182. Pastor of Muppets:168. Conservative1: “You are by far the biggest imbecile posting on blogs. You and Perez hilton have about the same credibility. Please. Leave my beloved country because all you do undermine good Americans with your liberal nonsense. What? Are you going to call me a racist?
May 15, 2009 - 1:52 pm 183. Sebastian Shaw:Go back to the kindergarten, infant.
Rvastar (#173), Shakespeare has a good quote about the truth: “The truth will out.” The truth eventually comes to the surface & it cannot be spun or obfuscated very long. The truth cannot be suppressed.
May 15, 2009 - 2:20 pm 184. Marie Devine:The cloud of doubt over this president is powerful, bringing distrust in all he does. There is good reason. When a president spends close to a million dollars of (I do not know whose money), to hide his college and school records, passport, and full birth certificate proofs for eligibility to be president, there is strong evidence he believes he has something to hide.
Our power is to press media, government and our religious leaders to call for proofs to put the doubts of the people of America to rest and to give greater authority to his office.
May 15, 2009 - 2:27 pm 185. Ed Wallis:PASTOR OF MUPPETS #182 –
Since this is obviously ALL ABOUT YOU, tell us:
How does it feel to be the puppet of totalitarians?
Are you proud of it?
Does it give your life a sense of “purpose”?
As you clearly have no “sense of decency”, perhaps you could spend some of your precious time
telling us all her just how it is that you can live with your miserable self.
Or, just flitter off. Your cover here is blown, loser.
May 15, 2009 - 4:07 pm 186. Self-hating Boomer:Ed Wallis -
In 167, you admonish us not to feed the trolls.
In 185, you bite the bait.
Which is it?
May 15, 2009 - 4:50 pm 187. Ed Wallis:ShB #186, I ain’t perfect, and when I’m waiting for the chili to finish cookin’, I get distracted. Hope it doesn’t tarnish your weekend (have a great one!).
May 15, 2009 - 4:58 pm 188. Oakley:Now, these same elites will roll over, sit up and beg, and do whatever it takes to appease the One.
May 15, 2009 - 11:39 pm 189. Confused in Virginia:#178 Bilgeman: You are absolutely right. Thank you for your post, and for the correction of my post. You put words to what I could not, and I really appreciate it.
May 16, 2009 - 2:11 pm 190. Bilgeman:#189 Confused in VA:
Some of us greedy old conservative bastards HAVE been paying attention, y’know.
You have a valid beef, kid.
I hope we can work this mess out to something that we can all tolerate.
I don’t want MY child living at home in my basement past the age of 35 because he can’t afford to move out, see?
And I’m pretty certain that once he CAN afford to move out, that the LAST thing he would want is for my cantankerous old @ss to retire and move into HIS basement.
May 16, 2009 - 5:36 pm 191. deguello:RE:182 PASTOR OF MUPPETS You sport a tag that reads “pastor of muppets”,and have the nerve to call someone an “infant”?Go back to YOUR kindergarten (no doubt in a “progressive” school)and resume molesting the infants.
May 18, 2009 - 8:38 am