Comments on: Obama Will Be Going for Knockout in Debate. What Should McCain Do?

By: Ed

Ed — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:08:21 +0000

McCain’s campaign has been an example of Senatitis vs. Chicago brass knuckle machine politics. McCain is truly “Country First” in spirit, which led him to work in good faith with both Republicans and Democrats. Some of those Democrats worked in good faith also, but too many were read to shiv John with their left hands while shaking his right. I had hoped that John understood the nature of the snakes he worked with and of the ideology that placed them in power

Alas, when he used the term “My friends” it seems he really meant it. The warrior jinking his scooter onto target and the captive determined to cling to honor at all costs was lulled to sleep by the patina of collegiality in the Senate.

The habits of rhetorical combat vs. those of working with “my friends” are hard to overcome, and McCain failed to do it. The slashing strokes that Obama left himself open for passed unexploited. Too bad.

We won’t know until Nov 5 whether good sense edges out “gimme” in this great nation. If it does, it won’t owe all that much thanks to McCain.

By: P. Shahir

P. Shahir — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:45:59 +0000

ERRATA*) As long as there is authentic zeal and interest to do good, the Media has a moral responsibility to help such persons in their personal struggle to do good – across and above all party politics.
TY to Pyjamasmedia

By: P. Shahir

P. Shahir — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:42:31 +0000

No ‘ knock out ‘ debate, – but hopefully steps towards realizing and respecting that there are various perspectives.
I hope too, the public will sooner realize the historical realities about the impact of tyranny, terrorism and related narcoterror on the National and Global economy and their grave security ramifications !
I thank Pajamasmedia.com for fostering diversity of views.
In posting number 61, 62 I wrote about joke killers and ‘ tasting judges ‘ slanted media who loose their most basic reason of existence, giving way to partisan engagement instead of issues, and loosing all public service and information credibility. I underlined that there probably are many good journalists who do not get heard or published ….. and therefore, just as certain greed blinded Wall street and financial preoccupations have been judged for undermining national and world economy, we must scrutinize extremist agendas amongst the Media too. ( as corruptions try to buy in and even control search engines, let alone the media !!!! )

Just after my recent postings on Joke Killers and Taste Judges , I heard parts of a Charity even I felt very grateful that the Presidential Candidates Senator McCain and Senator Obama took part in an event where Taste Judges and Joke Killers were ‘ left out ‘ . The public enjoyed that very much ! It gave me great pleasure too !!!!

However, time will tell if the issues I raised on narcoterror and narcotics cartels threatening National and Global stabity, health and wellbeing, could be addressed.
As I wrote on another Pajamas.com forum opposing age dicrimination ( having dubbed it as GERIAPHOBIA or Geriphobia ) , I underlied there too, that narcotics trade is eroding and destroying the very fibre and fabric of Civil Society, and productivity of future generations.

Here, I am not speaking of medications perscribed by doctors, which is an internal issue under the Hippocrathic Oath of Medical Profession, ( needing responsible medical interest and engagement ) , as medical conditions are a distinctly different matter from the ruthless interests of narcotics cartels and narcoterrorists, so closely in deadly symbiosis with terrorism and tyrannic regimes interests in orchestrating psycho-bio-terrorism ( a few of my older concocted terminologies to pinpoint what I mean …….
I stated before that I hoped that the Media leaves bias, and partakes of responsibilities towards ASSISTING public information and appreciating the public, instead of taking part in full fledged Joke Killing, Taste Judge activities and condoning populist personality attacks that are not relevant to helping towards better society and security of kind hearted strivers – regardless age, race, and background – as long as there is authentic zeal and interest to do good.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 00:42:02 +0000

By: sonya

sonya — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:48:45 +0000

Nurse Who Exposed Infanticide-Based Abortions: Obama Lied During Debate

by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
October 15, 2008

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Chicago, IL (LifeNews.com) — The Chicago-area nurse who exposed the practice of life-birth abortions that led to he bill Barack Obama repeatedly opposed in the Illinois legislature says Obama lied about his record during the final presidential debate. Jill Stanek says Obama again misrepresented his position and record before the American people.

As LifeNews.com reported, John McCain took Obama to task during the debate when the topic turned to abortion.

“Sen. Obama, as a member of the Illinois State Senate, voted in the Judiciary Committee against a law that would provide immediate medical attention to a child born of a failed abortion. He voted against that,” McCain said.

Obama responded to the charge by repeating his claim that he voted against the bill because it would have undermined Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court case that allowed virtually unlimited abortions throughout pregnancy.

However, as Stanek explains, Obama voted for an amendment to the bill to mitigate those concerns and subsequently voted against the legislation anyway.

Stanek said the bill, the Born Alive Infants Protection Act, “simply stated all born alive babies became legally protected persons immediately upon birth, no matter what gestational age and no matter if unwanted abortion survivors.”

“Obama voted against this straightforward human rights legislation four times stating as the sole state senator speaking against it on the Senate floor in 2001 it would be ‘unconstitutional’ to declare very premature abortion survivors persons,” Stanek explained.

Obama also defended his votes against the anti-infanticide bill by claiming “there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required providing lifesaving treatment.”

Stanek also called that a “lie” saying “Illinois abortion law to this day only protects abortion survivors their abortionist deems fit to live.

“The potential for subjective assessments in these cases is clear to all but Obama. In fact, Obama opposed closing this loophole by voting against legislation to mandate a second doctor be present at deliveries of all live abortion survivors to independently assess their viability,” she said.

Obama not only voted against the bill to protect newborns who survive failed abortions but the Chicago-area nurse says he took a leadership role to defeat it.

Stanek points to Obama’s own campaign web site which indicates he approached the Illinois Planned Parenthood affiliate to develop a strategy to defeat that measure and the ban on partial-birth abortions.

Despite Obama’s claims, Stanek says Obama ultimately voted in 2003 against a version of the bill identical to a Congressional anti-infanticide bill the Senate approved on a 98-0 margin and on which the pro-abortion group NARAL took no position.

“He then purported several times, as recently as August 16, 2008, that the bills were not identical and he would have supported the Illinois version had it been the same as the federal version,” she said.

Obama’s campaign finally had to recant from that position after documents from the Illinois legislature proved him wrong.

“I’m beyond disgusted that Obama continues to repeat the same lies without the mainstream media investigating and denouncing him. We’ll see what tomorrow brings,” Stanek concluded.

By: Ed Wallis

Ed Wallis — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:53:08 +0000

I found this quote from Joe Wurzelbacher to be a good summary about the debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdLPWfTczM4

“Obama’s Proposal Scares Me Because It’s Just One More Step Towards Socialism”

By: Edward A

Edward A — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:14:17 +0000

After watching the third debate, it is even clearer that McCain will continue Bush’s policies of the last eight years. McCain is exhausted, his ideas out-dated and his temperament is ill-suited to these difficult days ahead.

Obama is in control, has wisdom that comes through clearly and has the ability and energy to steer this country. America is suffering due to the failures of GW Bush these past eight years. To paraphrase a Nixon campaign slogan, ‘Now more than ever’ we need change.”

By: P. Shahir

P. Shahir — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:17:59 +0000

ERRATA * )I still have some hopes on some brave maverics – AND those who believe in a JOINT*) program across and ABOVE all party politics, without compromising the truth about the role of paid advertisment.

By: P. Shahir

P. Shahir — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:09:46 +0000

Paid media makes it a weird ball game, to such an extent that the media often deviates from any Public Service or Public Information norm.
Sadly some would like to be ‘taste judges’ just as ‘joke killers’ – however, when the truth hits the world as a grievous boomerang – as drug cartels go unchecked – and proterrorists would like to take it as a signal of media capitulation, and that the Media AND Wall Street might seem to them negociable as long as some proxies could be made to ‘cooperate’ at the expense of the livelihood of good people.

It is time to wake up from this hang over – for the People should ask themselves WHOSE public agenda this has been.
I bet that there are those deeper thinking journalists who go for deeper values, who never get heard.
I still have some hopes on some brave maverics – AND those who believe in a JOING program across and ABOVE all party politics, without compromising the truth about the role of paid advertisment.
People have to be brave to speak out even in face of ‘ new established prejudices ‘ .
Loyalty and fairness go along with joint cooperation and respect of those leaders who have been surprised by horrifically cruel hard headed fanatical terrorism that targetted the economy since the 1990s as Saddam wanted to control the world.
Some still sympathise with him, and shed tears for him, while the masses die under economical recession !

By: Ed Wallis

Ed Wallis — Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:42:14 +0000

Debate just over.

OOOOOOOooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh, Johnny sure had a great time wiping the floor with Obama’s smile.