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1. Rich:

Just got an email from my eldest brother…a democrat and political appointtee in a southern state AG’s office…and he’s very, very worried about what he’s hearing from “insiders” in DC. He commented about everything in this article…last week.

So I guess you’re pretty much confirmation…things are gonna get a whole lot worse…before we can turn the rascals out.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:30 am 2. Chris in Toronto:

Maybe the Electoral College will come to the rescue and vote NOT to elect Obama.

/wishful thinking

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:35 am 3. Bogdan of Australia:

Looks like VERY quick and rude awakening… But it happens any time someone is idiotic enough to believe a Marxist…

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:43 am 4. RE:

America knowingly voted in Obama despite his razor thin resume, lack of experience, and highly dubious background. It was a colossally reckless act. That things are not going smoothly or well should not surprise anybody.

In the past, if Obama ran into something he didn’t care to deal with, he merely voted ‘present’ or skipped the Senate vote altogether. What an unpleasant shock it must be to have your back door escape route blocked. It will be interesting to watch, but I hope too many people don’t get hurt by rash decisions made by an annoyed and inconvenienced on the job trainee.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:52 am 5. Ms Attitude:

He ran his campaign with catch phrases and glitz. He never really stood firm on any issue, yet, the majority of voters elected him. Why? I’m not saying he’s going to “rule” like Hitler but his coming to power sure does mimic that of Hitler. It’s really scarey that he could pull that many votes. Should there be some type of IQ test required before you can vote? I bet most of those that voted for him don’t understand how the government should run or what the Constitution says. I give it 6 months….then his starry eyed, hope filled, change wanting followers are going turn on him.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:01 am 6. SAF:

None of this is news.

Since I expect the worst the only thing that can happen to me is to be pleasantly surprised by a smart thing he does. My Obama voting friends and family can only be disappointed. Lots of them bought the come together snake oil. I haven’t talked to anyone about this yet. I plan to enjoy the holidays. Time enough afterwords to say I told you so.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:14 am 7. Ken Besig:

I was terribly worried during the campaign that Barack Obama was nothing but a glib voice attached to a pretty face, whose handlers knew quite well how to run a winning campaign, but had a nominee who had no idea how to do the job. Now that a week has passed, and Obama hasn’t even made a single policy statement about anything, not even the miserable state of the economy, I am scared sick that Obama will fumble his way through the next four years.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:15 am 8. Perry:

The President-elect is unqualified, inexperienced, was friends with domestic terrorists and international terrorist sympathizers. His spiritual mentor was an anti-American racist and many of his foreign policy advisers are anti-Semites.

Did you expect George Washington?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:15 am 9. Citizen70:

I’m an Independent but pretty far left and, from the start, I could see he was a merchandised, Madison Avenue candidate who is an empty suit. Funny how he kept attacking the Clintons, saying “turn the page” and now he’s running back to mommy Hillary and daddy Bill and their friends to tell him what to do when he actually has to govern (oh sorry, I meant “rule”).

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:38 am 10. Jon Brooks:

I can proudly say. “I didn’t vote for him”!!! Hey Bogdan, whats it like in Australia? If there were two peoples I would want covering my back it would be the Aussies and the ROKs. Damn fine people. Sorry we let you down.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:51 am 11. Bob:

America knowingly voted in Obama despite his razor thin resume, lack of experience, and highly dubious background.

Sorry, I’d have to disagree with that. Thanks to his friends in the media, America knowingly ignorantly voted in Obama despite the things you mention.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:05 am 12. The Big Hiss « Obi’s Sister:

[...] already – before he even sits in the Oval Office. Stephen Green has a great article up at PJM on Obama’s Very Bad Start. Go read the whole thing. It seems like our president-elect is keeping himself busy picking [...]

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:21 am 13. hutchrun:

Obama is also on a bad leg as far as India is concerned:

There is amazement —- and confusion— in India over reports that one of the first acts of the President will be to appoint Bill Clinton as his Special Envoy on the Kashmir issue to facilitate a settlement between India and Pakistan

2. Well-informed sources in India say that if the President-elect wants to severely damage the developing Indo-US relations he could not have thought of a better idea than to meddle in Kashmir. So many Americans—-Presidents, Presidents-elect and defeated Presidential-aspirants—- thought they could help in finding a solution to the Kashmir issue and burnt their fingers and damaged Indo-US relations.

http://southasiaanalysis.org/%5Cpapers30%5Cpaper2917.html

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:31 am 14. Tomp:

This is change??? The Clinton admin is back…where’s Madeline Albright?, Janet (Waco) Reno and ,best of all, Jocelyn Elders?.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:48 am 15. ahem:

Fumbling? It’s going to be much worse than fumbling. Also, there will be no bi-partisan anything–anything at all. Stop looking for it.

I voted for him for Illinois senate based on that wonderful speech he gave in 2004. Two years later, I realized that he only ever votes hard left: I’d been had. It’s just going to take some of my countrymen a little longer to realize that they, too, have been had. By that time, our way of life may be damaged beyond repair.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:49 am 16. G-Ma:

OK, I think I missed something. I try to be informed but where is the info
on taxing car ownership? I tried to click on the words but got nothing.
I am one of those Boomers. I retired a year ago and I am scared. I had a
401k which I rolled over to an IRA. I have lost almost half of the IRA
value. I do not have Medicare yet but what happens when so many seniors
need healthcare. This could really break the bank. Will the government
ration healthcare? Euthanize us because we are to expensive? They kill
unborn babies, now, because they are not wanted. Are we next?

The above may be the least of my worries. I am taking bets on Russia or the
mullahs being the first to take on “that one”.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:49 am 17. African Moonbat:

Thanks for the link hutchrun. I was under the impression that under Bush, US -Indian relations were at their warmest since..since possibly 1947. Oh dear, surely the Messiah won’t mess that around

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:55 am 18. ChooseTheHero.com » Blog Archive » The Big Hiss:

[...] already – before he even sits in the Oval Office. Stephen Green has a great article up at PJM on Obama’s Very Bad Start. Go read the whole thing. It seems like our president-elect is keeping himself busy picking [...]

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:00 am 19. Ms. Attitude:

16. G-Ma:

Here’s the article:

Obama Transition Team Examines Congestion Tax
UK congestion charge consultants report Obama transition team interested in tolling.

British newspapers report that President-elect Barack Obama (D) may import congestion charging programs from the UK. Jack Opiola, a transportation principal for the firm Booz, Allen and Hamilton, was hired to design a program to tax drivers at least £5 (US $8) when entering the city of Manchester during peak hours. Opiola told the Manchester Evening News yesterday that the president-elect’s transition team approached him for additional details on the plan.

“I was ‘noticed’ by key people in the Obama campaign and I have been providing input to his strategy team in Chicago, including information about Greater Manchester’s bid,” Opiola said.

If approved in a referendum later this month, drivers entering an 80 square mile section of Manchester would be subject to the charge. The program would generate £120 million (US $180 million) in annual profit. A similar program in London cost drivers £268 million (US $408 million) and failed to provide promised reductions in congestion, according to Transport for London data (view report).

Until now, Senator Obama has been circumspect when discussing his administration’s transportation plans. Previously, his most specific proposal was the creation of a $60 billion toll road bank (view details). In March, Obama endorsed New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s idea to charge a $9 toll on cars and a $22 toll for trucks that enter downtown Manhattan during working hours.

Hoping to fill the gap with specifics, the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials (AASHTO) last month submitted a detailed $544 billion transportation reauthorization proposal designed to encourage the new administration to shore up the domestic economy with heavy spending on infrastructure projects. The new programs would be paid for with massive new tax hikes, including a per-mile driving tax that would begin with “proof of concept” trials as early as 2010. The tax would initially be one cent per mile and generate $32.4 billion a year. An extra one cent per gallon in the federal gasoline tax would generate another $1.8 billion, and a national sales tax on cars of one percent would generate $7.6 billion.

“With this historic election, AASHTO is optimistic that the new administration can help to foster the political will necessary to bridge the gap between today’s transportation needs and the transportation system we must build for tomorrow,” the group said in a statement.

Source: Obama team study c-charge (Manchester Evening News (UK), 11/12/2008)

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:05 am 20. RE:

Bob @ 11:

I’ll meet you halfway and call it a willful ignorance.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:06 am 21. Dark Helmet:

Enjoy the ‘ change ‘ idiots. You have elected a TRAITOR and now you will all suffer for it. I will be here everyday to remind you how stupid you all are.

This nation was built on REVOLUTION

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:07 am 22. anton:

The O reminds me of a guy that just got busted running a Ponzie scheme, suddenly all the debts come due.

Get ready for Carter 2.0, Jimmy was the worst president of the 20th century, it looks like we decided to get that formality out of the way for the 21st by electing the the Big O. We will have all of the losers from the Clinton Administration re-treaded, grayer but decidedly none the wiser, combined with Mr. Empty Suit.

G-Ma, your generation should have been worrying about those issues twenty or thirty years ago. Instead your age cohorts voted for bigger and bigger governments, feckless foreign policies and allowed an Imperial (err Federal) Court system to invent laws and dictate our way of life. Your generation didn’t have enough kids to pay for your old-age much less take care of you in it. Hopefully the market can recover in spite of the Government meddling and you can enjoy your golden years rather than counting on the Federal Bozo Patrol to keep you going.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:18 am 23. Boris:

“OK, I think I missed something. I try to be informed but where is the info on taxing car ownership?”

You didn’t miss anything. Stephen appears to have trouble reading the links he provides. Par for the course around here.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:19 am 24. anton:

re: 18 Ms Attitude
Well won’t that be wonderful, they are taking the advice of the Brits, most most Socialist dump in the EU, on how to grind down the middle and lower classes with taxes. They guys driving the the luxury limos don’t give a fig for a dollar or two here or there (heck the car is company-owned and is a write-off anyways) but the poor schmoe driving into the city to work at his crappy $12.00 an hour job is forced top pay extra to drive on the miserable roads and then pay to park. Thats what I call looking out for the little guy. But then maybe that is the point, the Elite don’t want the proles getting in the way while they zom around in their gas-guzzling limos.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:27 am 25. K D Johns:

Obama is talking about taxing tobacco 700%, taxes could add $10 per cigar to smokers costs! Obama wants a gunless, smokeless and carless America. What happened to Americans being free to make their own choices? Obama seems to be wanting to take away all our freedoms. How long will the American people tolerate this?

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:43 am 26. G-Ma:

Ms. Attitude, thanks for the info. My son owns and operates a semi-truck,
this tax will further raise prices on comsumer products.
Our 95% tax cut just got taken away by car and road tax.

Sounds like “redistribution” of taxes.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:46 am 27. kochevnik:

No relationship between this article and the linked Obama-Bush article. I mean, young women do that all the time for drama. But there’s an upside to young women, while there is little to be gained with crusty, rapidly aging old geezers ranting about their delusions.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:46 am 28. Bonnie_:

There are very few “rich” people in this country, yet 50 million of us voted for McCain who promised to let rich people keep their wealth and produce more.

Unfortunately, there are more greedy thieves who voted for Obama and his very clear promise to steal from the productive rich.

The looters and thieves are going to get what they deserve; a Great Depression, bread lines, unemployment and misery. The rest of us are going to get the same thing. Oh well.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:53 am 29. TexEd:

Always remember that the prime objective of stealth candidate Obama is, always has been and always will be the destruction of the middle class in America.
A review of his medical file would reveal that in his many years of psychological counseling it was established that he hated his black father for abandoning him and his white mother and turned that haterd (with, Ayers’, Wright’s and Michelle’s help) into a marxist hatred of the middle class in America.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:56 am 30. kochevnik:

K D Johns,

Unlike marajuana, cigarettes have no benefit, and a massive downside. Tobacco smokers can always suck a tailpipe for the same effect, and it’s unregulated!

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:59 am 31. Vodkapundit » Bully, Bully:

[...] Posted by Stephen Green on 14 Nov 2008 at 08:00 am Today on Pajamas Media, “Obama’s Very Bad Start.” [...]

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:00 am 32. Ms. Attitude:

23. Boris: The link worked…no need for you to spew hate. There are many Republicans who will listen to logic from the Democrats, if and when you provide it. I think you have no real reason as to why you supported Obama nor do the others that come on to this website to call us losers. Simple logic sir!

Per you and the other haters that say that Republicans are losers, let me break it down for you:

A Republican is an American
A Republican is a Loser
Therefore:
An American is a Loser

I thought Obama wanted us to come together and be nice. As one of his followers don’t you think you should take his advice and sit down and talk about it…he plans on doing that with the enemies of the United States, why can’t you do that with Republicans?

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:02 am 33. kochevnik:

Dark Helmet:

“This nation was built on REVOLUTION”

If you won the revolution, then why do your pay tribute to the Bank of England for every transaction you make? Americans seem the have some massive problem understanding when they lose. Iraq falling into the hands of Iran, for example. America is a colony, just as all the other colonies bearing a mark of the Queen of England on their notes.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:04 am 34. G-Ma:

Anton #22, please reread my statement. I have taken care of myself. I did
without to fund my 401K.
I have one vote, which I exercised. I have no choice in regards to Medicare,
government says I have to sign up when I turn 65. I certainly didn’t vote for Carter but I paid for it. I didn’t vote for Clinton, but I have had to
pay for it. The government didn’t give me an opt-out.
There are many who have lived their lives responsibley, DO NOT include me
with those who have not or how they voted.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:12 am 35. Jim C:

Every Republican I’ve heard speak lately has said the same thing: “I don’t want to be like the Democrats for the past 8 years and I’m going to support President Obama.”

This is crap! We need our 2012 Presidential nominees to take center stage and present these issues, problems and flip-flops to the American people. We need to start this now.

Talk about politics as usual; the Congressional Dems want to bailout the Big 3 Automakers to keep the AWU and all other unions in their pocket…at the expense of the American people. And for what? So they can keep building Hummers and Suburbans and Duangos and Expeditions? Stop the bailouts NOW!

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:16 am 36. TomJW:

“..turning into…” You’re kidding, right? The man has no record. He can’t turn into anything by our judgement because we know nothing about him. Is the bullying the tactics he is resorting to or is that his plan all along? Can you demonstrate where he had authority running something and was not a bully? No. There is no record there.

No matter the man’s history, we will still judge him by what he does. What he claims he will do compared to what he does will only be a judgement on his honesty. Given he’s a politicain, not much hope there.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:21 am 37. Boris:

“The link worked…no need for you to spew hate.”

Not hate, just reality. The link does not support what Stephen Green says. Obama is not the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials–why does this have to be pointed out to you and Stephen?

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:23 am 38. Ms. Attitude:

30. kochevnik: Obama is smoker! Please go tell him to suck a tailpipe! Besides here something for you to suck on:

Studies show that smoking prevalence is higher among those who had earned a GED diploma (43.2 percent) and among those with 9–11 years of education (32.6 percent) compared with those with more than 16 years of education (7.1 percent). It’s highest among persons living below the poverty level (29.9 percent). –American Heart Association

And I thought he wanted to help those in poverty…

26. G-Ma: I hope this is something he’s just “thinking” about not something that he and the Dems actually put into place. If they do I’m going to change to walking everywhere….Hey, I just found my hope and change!!!

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:26 am 39. TomJW:

28. Bonnie_:
Nov 14, 2008 – 6:53 am

Bonnie, if you think that Ted Kennedy is going to lose a nickel of current wealth during the Obama years, I want what you’re drinking. Government income tax goes after the money you earn each year. Tax shelters preserve the money you make each year for those who can afford them, like Teddy boy and the other rich.

The dems know how the game is played. That’s why they have so many rich donors to their campaigns.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:30 am 40. anton:

G-Ma,
Please don’t take offense, I specifically tagged your age-cohort, not you. You seem a person of obvious intelligence (you would be over at the Daily-Kos if you were lacking there). Too many of my generation have drunk deeply of the Obama Kool-Aid and I fear that it will not play out well for any of us.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:33 am 41. Ms. Attitude:

37. Boris: Let’s look at what his record shows….”Until now, Senator Obama has been circumspect when discussing his administration’s transportation plans. Previously, his most specific proposal was the creation of a $60 billion toll road bank (view details). In March, Obama endorsed New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s idea to charge a $9 toll on cars and a $22 toll for trucks that enter downtown Manhattan during working hours.”

If you really, really sit down and think about it. Let go of your anger and really think about it….the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials submitted their proposal to the Obama Administration…Now think about it….Did they just do that because they wanted to? Or was the proposal requested? And why was his campaign even contacting Opiola? Are these more questions that you will refuse to answer? I’m sure Obama won’t, not until you, me and every one else in the United States is living in poverty because of his “HOPE and CHANGE”.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:38 am 42. BC:

As Palin might say to all the deranged speculation going on here if it was going the other way, “There you go, looking backwards again”

Obama is doing exactly what savvy people hoped he would be doing: bringing in smart, very smart people, and showing elementary common sense — like checking into what other countries are doing to deal with similar issues and seeing how applicable they would be here. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Obama managed to get more constructive things done between now and January than Bush and his malicious, idiot staff and advisors did the past entire 8 years.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:38 am 43. Robert Hurley:

Amazing stuff here. I guess when you lose you have to resort to fantasy. Still it is all very entertaining!

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:40 am 44. susan:

boris
“You didn’t miss anything. Stephen appears to have trouble reading the links he provides. Par for the course around here.”

you included, naturally

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:40 am 45. Brightfame:

Sen. Obama is not, as one commenter noted, confirmed as the winner of the Presidential election until the Electoral College meets in December. One concern (ignored by the major media outlets, of course) that has been raised by attorney Philip Berg of Pennsylvania is that Sen. Obama may not be a “natural born citizen,”
and therefore ineligible to serve as President. The link below leads to a YouTube video that gives an excellent presentation (by Mr. Berg himself) of his concerns about Sen. Obama’s birth records. It’s well worth the eleven minutes it takes to watch it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

WorldNetDaily is doing an excellent job of following up on Mr. Berg’s lawsuit, which is currently before the U.S. Supreme Court and awaiting a response from Sen. Obama’s campaign.
Stay tuned…this election isn’t over yet!

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:41 am 46. Jim:

No matter how we voted (I did not vote for Mr. Obama) I must follow the ‘Submission to authorit” passage in the book of Romans, chapter 12, verses 1-7. I do believe that God establishes rulers and we must follow them.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:47 am 47. anton:

kochevnik:30 You missed the point, it isn’t about benefits (and what ARE the proven benfits of marijuana?) it is about freedom.

Next, I won’t be able to eat meat because it is bad for me. Maybe I’ll be forced to read and study certain books (red ones probably) to improve my mind.

If I want to spnd my life smoking, drinking and watching drivel on TV I should be free to do so – just as long as I don’t demand that you pay for me to be free of responsibility for the outcomes.

This is the big problem that most conservative have with big government; the endlessly spreading stain of control exercised by little gray bureaucrats who decide for us what is “good” or “bad”.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:48 am 48. anton:

BC 42 Very smart people? It looks like a re-run of the Clinton administration. And wasn’t it those same very smart people that squandered the “peace dividend” while ignoring the rise of AQ? What we need is fewer theoretical egg-heads with no (or grossly unsuccessful) experience and more people with actual accomplishments. The Big O has a resume that would fit on the edge of a 3×5 card and he is picking the left-overs of the administration that he belittled. Heck maybe he can get Janet Reno to go to Afgahnistan and wipe out some religious extremeists, she did a good job in Waco.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:56 am 49. Ms. Attitude:

Yay!! Robert Hurley is here to give us his wonderful insight!! I’m putting you on the spot, sir. Now tell us why you voted for Obama and what wonderful things he’s going to do for this country. You seem to want to make comments that are empty…are you the type of man that when you are in an argument and you know you are wrong but you don’t want to admit it, and you have no facts to back up why you did something, so you just say stupid stuff and call names?

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:02 am 50. susan:

“Robert Hurley:

Amazing stuff here. I guess when you lose you have to resort to fantasy.”

well that’s what the left has been doing for centuries, but stupidity as always gets in the way when it comes to recognize it

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:03 am 51. MarkD:

I’ll wait until he actually does something that merits condemnation. I will never stoop to the level of the personal invective of the loony left.

I have exceedingly low expectations, but I hope he is smart enough and tough enough to be reasonable. The Congress with the 12% approval rating sure isn’t. That would be the guys who just gave away $2000 with no strings attached for every man, woman and child in America. I’m not that gullible or corrupt, but they evidently are.

Pessimists are seldom disappointed.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:09 am 52. RE:

Jim @ 46:

We did not elect a king to pass edicts. The Bible says we must respect the law. Our laws are based upon a legistlative process that encourages debate, challenge, and confrontation. It is not that easy to wash your hands of your responsibilty to ensure the success of our constitutional republic.

I’m sorry, but your position strikes me as a cop-out.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:10 am 53. James:

He has even taken office yet, people! If the religious wrong nutjobs hadn’t hijacked the GOP then none of this Democrat/Obama bashing would even be necessary. He’s going to be OUR President, like it or not, so it’s time we stop the bickering and sour grapes of what woulda/coulda/shoulda, and get back to demanding the Republican Party get back to its Libertarian roots of small government that keeps its nose out of citizens business. The religious wrong have destroyed these ideals by trying to dictate morality and spreading hatred and bigotry. Kick the religious wrong out of the GOP and you’ll see a Republican back in the White House in 4 years. Let them fester and infect the GOP for any longer and you won’t see a Republican in the White House OR a Republican majority in the Congress for many, many, MANY years to come.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:10 am 54. seven:

The two faced administration. He tells Poland one thning and tells russia something different. He had secret talks with PALESTINIANS AND SAID SOMETHING HE DOESN’T WANT ISRAEL TO HEAR. He tells church people ontheing and other groups get a different story.l

How many ways to tax cars?
1 Tax fuel
2 Tax sales
3 Force new expensive models only Hollywood can afford
4 Carbon taxation

Now the car union is so expensive. I see bankruptcy will make a judge force lowering labor costs.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:21 am 55. G-Ma:

Anton #40, I have only been blogging for a short time. Addicting!!
Thanks for your response.

FYI: Looks like we are getting a Clinton White House again. I didn’t vote
for them this time either.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:24 am 56. jerryofva:

James:

Your ranting about religious nut jobs shows you are a racist. The religious nut-jobs in California voted for Proposition 8 banning gay marriage. Those nut jobs who did that were black voters who also voted for Obama. In fact, there was a similar trend in Florida, which Obama also carried.

One of the big delusions on the left is that “rightwing Christianists” dominate the Republican Party. The truth is that the Democrat Party is far more dependent on conservative Christian voters then are the Republicans. If these Christians ever start voting Republican it is lights out for the Democratic Party. If the Democrats can’t get 90% of their conservative Christian vote then they stand no chance of winning an election.

As usually the racist leftwing Democrat posing as a Republican is projecting his own attitudes on his opponents.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:34 am 57. kochevnik:

anton,

>You missed the point, it isn’t about benefits (and
>what ARE the proven benfits of marijuana?) it is
>about freedom.

Freedom to do what? Stupid things with no benefits? Marajuana is a legal medicine in California, prescribed by doctors. The only doctor who would perscribe tobacco is Dr. Kervorkian. Most people seek freedom for their growth and health, not to further their retardation.

If you need the freedom to do dumb things, you don’t need to ask the government. The US government bans marajuana because it can be grown at home and hence hard to tax. Booze and tobacco cannot easily be made at home, hence the government and banking mafia can obtain tribute from you with every puff and gulp through commerce.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:35 am 58. G-Ma:

Jim #46. Ruler? I think not! Don’t pick and chose scripture to make your point.
Check out King Saul and David, who won.
Check out Joshua. Who won?
Check out Esther. Who won?
“that one” was elected to the office of the Presidency. Not coranated king.
I will respect the office and keep a keen eye on the officeholder.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:40 am 59. Jim Baker:

I am too old to say that I will settle for a collectivist just because the “majority” voted for him. I wouldn’t care if I had to be the only person to vote against this nonsense, I would. I believe permanent damage has been done to the last vestiges of our Constitution. Oh, by the way, I am sure that all individualistic peoples are not religious nuts. Get over that. I could care less what Christians think. I am a lot more worried about the State sponsored Environmentalist religion that is being taught in all of our government schools. Bring on the revolution, even though I can’t shoot so good anymore.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:42 am 60. always right:

Hold off your guns. Obama won’t be officially President until next Jan yet.

There will be plenty to hold him responsible for.

As to those O supporters, they have better defend the new policies, instead of a one-sentence ‘you are all idiots’.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:42 am 61. Bonnie_:

Hey, TomJW, I totally understand the difference between the idle rich and the productive rich, which is why I made sure to point that out in my post.

Teddy Kennedy and Warren Buffet get to keep their money, while those of us who are trying to get rich are looted.

Rich people who voted for Obama are even more disgusting than the poor who voted in hopes of receiving stolen wealth. The rich who voted for him know that wealth is created, and they don’t care because they’ve got theirs.

This is why Rush Limbaugh is a hero of mine. He’s in the same wealth class as Warren Buffet, but he wants ordinary people to keep their money. No tax will keep him from enjoying his cigars and private jets, but yet he stands up for us just the same. Warren Buffet, on the other hand, is lower than a maggot. With apologies to maggots.

Nov 14, 2008 - 8:45 am 62. Dr. Lumplevin:

You right-wing Christianists just don’t get it do you? You are low’level intelligences who cannot fathom what is happening. Obama is a “quantum leap in American consciousness,” as world guro Deepak Chopra put it. Or, as Eve Konstantine said, “He’s our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence.” He operates on another level from most of us. If his acts or statements seem contradictory, confused, halting, or incoherent to you, just understand whom we are dealing with – a mahtma. Just shut the hell up and be content, and do what Halle Berry said she{ll be doing, ” I’ll do whatever he says to do. I’ll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear.”

Peace.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:11 am 63. tanstaafl:

…Team Obama has plans to raise taxes on people who do evil things like own cars.

So, what is it, something like $5.8 billion spent in this crappy election cycle ?

Monstrously wasted resources as The One™ and his entourage flitted about the country, even the world, spouting vapidity into already vapid minds ?

And now we’ll get some hard lessons in “conservation” ?

Oh wait, with the Liberals and Democrats, it’s like my Daddy used to joke…”Do as I say, not as I do.”

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:19 am 64. G-Ma:

Jim Baker #59 Per the liberals, I am a religious nut. Sounds like you think
the same. I hope it is not to disturbing, but we agree. There is a state
sponsered religion, Environ(mental)ist church, branches found in all government buildings. The even have a branch called ELF, how cute.
I suggest a shotgun, you just aim.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:36 am 65. Boris:

“Let go of your anger and really think about it….the American Association of State Highway and Transportation Officials submitted their proposal to the Obama Administration…Now think about it….Did they just do that because they wanted to? Or was the proposal requested?”

I have no idea why they submitted it. And neither do you. And neither does Stephen Green, which makes this sentence…

“And now we’re learning that Team Obama has plans to raise taxes on people who do evil things like own cars.”

…a mistake or a lie.

This isn’t hard to figure out.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:38 am 66. anthony:

i really am placeing a lot of faith in obama i think he can pull this country out of the hole were in. i also like the fact that he plans to cut taxes for the middle class man.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:48 am 67. tanstaafl:

I believe permanent damage has been done to the last vestiges of our Constitution.

It is ironic to use the constitutionally mandated popular vote to elect an individual whose primary goal seems to be (at best) ignoring Constitutional provisions and structures and (at worst) destroying the document’s founding principles altogether.

In the waning days of the election, Michele Obama emerged from her muzzled state to implore the voters that Barack “needed” them. I think it will be the only time that the O administration will “need” the people to chime in.

It must be about 4 decades of public education now that has avoided informing students that “we, the people” are the ultimate source of power. It’s now “we, the sheeple”, waiting to see how power mongers and control freaks attempt to establish a Jabba the Hutt government on which we the sheeple become completely dependent.

A complete perversion of the founding principles of the Constitution and that which against every “founding father” warned.

Nov 14, 2008 - 9:58 am 68. Brooke:

Funny, everyone who voted against Obama knew all this stuff, and easy enough to figure out. What’s all the freaking out about? He’s not doing anything he’s not programed to do. Snakes are pretty, but they ALWAYS bite.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:04 am 69. Achillea:

“Booze and tobacco cannot easily be made at home … ”

That may be the case with tobacco, but booze is ridiculously easy to make at home.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:05 am 70. Войска ПВО:

What Boris and the other Obama apologists don’t realize is that they are going to have their hands full for the next four years alibiing for this jerk as he flails away at the POTUS job. Like the others here, Boris, old chum, I say bring reasonable arguments and links and you will be debated, otherwise you’re just a bomb-thrower.

As a funny aside (and to add to the litany of The Messiah’s preliminary missteps), there was a guy in my office this morning — Jewish and an ardent supporter of Obama — who was bitching about Hamas rocketing Israel because of a tunneling effort was caught and thereby jeopardizing a half-year truce. He complained how Israel was in for tough sledding in the upcoming years. After which, I congratulated him on his vote to elect such a good friend of Israel to the presidency.

Yep! It’s gonna be a fun four years here in the bread lines.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:10 am 71. Войска ПВО:

anthony writes:

“i really am placeing a lot of faith in obama i think he can pull this country out of the hole were in. i also like the fact that he plans to cut taxes for the middle class man.”

..and he might be able to help you with your school tuition too. My recommendation is enroll in an English grammar and spelling class ASAP and lay off the text messaging, old son.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:13 am 72. Dave in Texas:

The most indiscrete, eh?

Stephen you need to sober up before you try to use big words.

discrete means ’separate, individual’… we saw a large mountain but upon closer look it was made up of three discrete hills.

Discreet means able to keep secrets and to restrain oneself from blabbing things.

indisCREET.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:24 am 73. steve m.:

46% of us saw this coming…

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:25 am 74. anton:

kochevnik@57

Achillea is right, I make my own beer, wine and mead. I don’t smoke so I’m not sure how hard tobacco is to grow.

But, again, you miss the point; The govenment should stay out of just about all of my business, not “allow” me occasional choices from a prescribed list.

You failed to list the proven benefits of weed, using California as an example of anything I would wish to emulate is not making a point with me.

If I wish to do something who are you (or your thought police) to decide if it is “beneficial” or “stupid” what gives them the right to make that judgement?

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:31 am 75. Roy Mustang:

Change we deserve. Maybe this time we will get a conviction after impeachment.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:35 am 76. Roark:

This is why I voted for McCain.

This is also why I am looking forward to pointing out the idiotic actions of Obama for the next four years. After eight years of mental midgets throwing bomb after bomb at George Bush it is going to be positively thrilling to hold Obama to the same accountability standards. Pretty much everything he has done publicly since winning the White House has been easy to pick apart and demonstrates the absolute incompetence, ignorance and folly of this silly little big eared man.

To those who would say Republicans shouldn’t engage in such tactics I will point out that Democrats have risen back to power by doing that and only that.

Say it with me: Obama is a moron. Or, even better. Uh… Obama is a, um…, er…, moron.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:38 am 77. kevin c:

IVE SIAD IT LOUD AND CLEAR. OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST. AND COMMUNISTS NEVER CEDE POWER WILLINGLY. OBAMA WILL TRY MARTIAL LAW,OR THUG POLICE STAE TACTICS TO ENFORCE RUTHLESS COMMUNIST TYPE TACTICS. LOOK AT CHICAGO,DETROIT,NEWYORK,PHILLY,ANY DEMON RAT URBAN AREA. LOOK AT MICHIGAN. THIS IS WHAT THE COMMIE RAT PARTY HAS IN MIND FOR AMERIKA. THEY WANT DEPENDENT PEOPLE. THEY WANT NO BUSINESSES. THEY WANT US ALL POOR, HUNGRY, POWERLESS. THEY WANT US UNABLE TO DEFEND OURSELVES. AND THE DUMMIES AMONGST US,DRIVEN BY SAUL ALINKSY STYLE DEMONIZATION OF BUSH AND 8 YRS OF REPUBLICAN SOCIALISM, HAS NOW TAKEN AN EVEN WORSE STEP. YOU UNIONS WHO WANTED CARD CHECK, MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT SOLIDARITY WAS ABOUT. NAME ME ANY UNION IN RED CHINA ,CUBA ,VENEZUELA, OR NORTH KOREA. YOU JEWS WHO VOTE FOR DEMON RATS, NAME ME WHAT HAPPENS TO JEWS IN NAZI GERMANY OR SOVIET RUSSIA. NAME ME WHAT HAPPENS TO JEWS IN MOSLEM COUNTRIES. AND DONT GIVE ME THIS CRAP ABOUT EMANUEL BEING JEWISH. FELIX DZERHINKSY,LENINS NKVD FOUNDER(LATER KGB) WAS JEWISH. SO WAS ERNST ROEHM, THE FOUNDER OF THE NAZI SS. YOU YOUNG WHITE WOMEN ENAMORED BY OBAMA- HATE TO TELL YOU, BUT THE IDEAS HE HAS FOR YOU IS AKIN TO SHARIA LAW. AND I GUARANTEE YOU WONT LIKE IT.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:53 am 78. glenn:

People get the government they deserve. Especially all the conservatives who sat on their hands because they were having a temper tantrum. Thanks for nothing guys.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:55 am 79. kevin c:

AND A MEMO TO ANY OF YOU DEMON RATS WHO THINK THE RICH ARE GOING TO GET SOAKED. WARREN BUFFETT,COMMIE SOROS,STEPHEN BING,THE SADLERS,ETC DONT DRAW “INCOME” ,THERE FORE THEY PAY NO INCOMETAX. THERE MONEY IS IN TRUST FUNDS,WHICH ARE NOT SUBJECT TO INCOME TAXES,ETC. NOW YOU KNOW WHY BUFFETT SUPORTS THE INHERITANCE TAX? DRIVES OUT HIS COMPETITORS AND HE DOESNT PAY ANYTHING SINCE ALL HIS MONEY IS IN TRUST FUNDS. REMEMBER A FEW YEARS AGO, BUFFETT SAID HE WASNT LEAVING HIS FORTUNE TO HIS KIDS(ONLY 100K EACH FOR 7 KIDS). ITS NOT THAT HE DIDNT WANT TO-HE COULDNT BECAUSE HIS TRUST FUND DOESNT ALLOW HIM TO. JUST ANOTHER COMMIE PHONY.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:00 am 80. Mwalimu Daudi:

What on earth makes people think that the Messiah gives a hoot in Hades about good relations with the GOP? For one thing, He and the rest of the MSM/Democrat Party axis have been busy demonizing anyone who is caught failing to genuflect to the Chosen One (we see a lot of it on this thread today). For another, once ACORN works its voter registration magic and the Fairness Doctrine gets enacted to shut down pesky racist heretics who refuse to bow to the One, we will become no better than any run-of-the-mill workers’ paradise hellhole like North Korea.

“If you want a vison of the future, imagine a boot stamping a human face – forever.” – George Orwell, 1984

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:07 am 81. Pierre Legrand:

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Obama managed to get more constructive things done between now and January than Bush and his malicious, idiot staff and advisors did the past entire 8 years.

I will be surprised if this Messiah Clown doesn’t get a lot of us killed. I will be surprised if this Messiah Clown doesn’t allow Israel to be exterminated for the greater good. I will be surprised if Billy Ayers doesnt get a post in the Obama regime. I will be surprised if Obama doesn’t find a great way to eliminate opposition inside of this country. I will be suprised if the Moderate Republicans don’t sell him the rope.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:09 am 82. Brian G.:

Obama doesn’t care one bit about our relations with Poland. First, he is partial to the Commie batards next door. Second, and perhaps most egregiously, they have supported the United States over the last 8 years, which is an unpardonable sin to Obama because they stood with Bush.

If Russia invaded Poland again, Obama would not care one bit.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:10 am 83. BC Monkey:

I’ve seen many, many references to what happened to Clinton in 1994 and the Republican revival.

Commonly, the lesson 1994 is said to be that should Obama overreach in his first two years, he might face a similar defeat.

I think there’s a DIFFERENT lesson that could be learned for 1994- kneecap your opponents at every chance to make sure they cannot come back to hamper you.

How much kneecapping would it take to ensure that any backlash only reduced the Democrat lead in the House and Senate instead of flipping either of them?

Given Obama’s political history, I think that the second lesson is the one he keeps in mind when looking at 2010.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:11 am 84. Tex Taylor:

Anybody thinking there was going to be a ounce of bipartisanship (laughable), goodwill, unity, or whatever the MSM left are using as descriptor of the day, should now know better with the appointment of the ultimate partisan hack, Rahm Emanuel.

Even shills like Paul Begala have stated Pharaoh Rahm something between a hemorrhoid and a toothache. There’s not a sneakier little b*stard on the world stage than this worm.

No telling what these goons will try and ram through in the next two years, all under the guise of “middle class.”

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:13 am 85. Suzi:

You know how, when you go to the supermarket, or the bank, or any service-person type place, and the ‘trainee’ is there with the experienced person over their shoulder? Don’t you cringe when you see them? Don’t you move to another line if possible, or secretly hope that another window opens up so you don’t have to deal with them ‘learning on the job’? WHY on earth did American VOTE for that experience on a larger, much more dangerous scale? If a new trainee can’t cut it in the real world, they are let go during a preset ‘probationary’ period. Can we do the same for Obama? *sigh*

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:15 am 86. Oligonicella:

kochevnik:

“Freedom to do what? Stupid things with no benefits?”

Uh, yeah. You think you have the right to deny me that why?

“Booze and tobacco cannot easily be made at home, hence the government and banking mafia can obtain tribute from you with every puff and gulp through commerce.”

You are ignorant. You are legally able to make 200 gallons, that’s right gallons, of alcohol at home for personal consumption and it’s easy. Tobacco is as easy to grow in the right climate as any other plant for that climate. Plus, it’s legal to grow. You are ignorant.

I toke. I also like cigars and brandy. Screw those who would deny me any of the above because they don’t like them themselves.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:16 am 87. kochevnik:

anton,

Many find marajuana relieves pain, and without the side effects and expense of other treatments.

Nobody is stopping you from growing your own tobacco. However you just ran a bill for $12trillion for your Iraq escapade due to the Bank of England, so the sale of noxious poisons which weighs down society to treat your poisoned corpse should be taxed, to say the very least. Had you saved your $ this would not be an issues. But you blew it.

You seem innovative enough to grow your own, so what’s the problem?

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:20 am 88. Charlotte:

I’m expecting lots of bad decisions from our leader, but I have to admit I like the congestion tax. Many economist have been calling for such a tax for a long time to pay for roads and ease traffic congestion. One more thought, the American car companies must go through the bankruptcy process if they have any shot of surviving.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:24 am 89. jerryofva:

Brian:

That is unfair. Do you know the difference between Putin and Obama? Putin isn’t a communist.

I have sometimes compared Obama and Mussolini. But that is unfair to Il Duce. When he did his community organizing in Italy he led the mob while reciting from Dante. Obama doesn’t know who Dante was.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:33 am 90. DoktorNo:

As a blogger, and citizen of Poland all I can say, is that abandoning Eastern Europe is a BIG mistake.

It won’t pay nicely in near future.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:34 am 91. kochevnik:

Oligonicella,

Perhaps I fall short. After all, it took YOU to prove my point that sin taxes aren’t an issue.

>You are ignorant. You are legally able to make 200
>gallons, that’s right gallons, of alcohol at home for
>personal consumption and it’s easy. Tobacco is as
>easy to grow in the right climate as any other plant
>for that climate. Plus, it’s legal to grow. You are
>ignorant.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:39 am 92. Karin:

Kochevnik,
Booze can easily be made at home. I make my own beer and wine. Ever heard the term “bathtub gin?”

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:39 am 93. gs:

“Obama’s Very Bad Start: How a promising leader turned into the playground bully — overnight!” After watching McCain blow the election with his erratic behavior when the financial crisis hit, I don’t believe he’d be doing any better today than Obama had he won.

The 2006 election was an unmistakable signal to Republicans to clean up their act. They deliberately ignored it. Instead, they did things like restoring Trent Lott to the Senate leadership. And whine whine whine about the Democrats.

The Republican message seems to be that they wreck the country slower than Democrats do. Lotsa luck with that.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:40 am 94. David WL:

“promising leader” ?????

Where did you get that idea?

Some of us knew 9 months ago that Blessed Barack His Royal Highness and Holiness Hussein High Lord Messiah Obama would be a disaster.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:44 am 95. Vuulfie:

That’s it Boris keep on drinking the Kool-Aid. Now go stick your head back in your hole and take a nice deep breath…feel better now?

On a related note, does 0′bama smoke Kool’s?

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:44 am 96. Jonathan Hemlock:

You are a silly drunk. Sober up.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:49 am 97. Tarnsman:

Charlotte, Charlotte. Guess you miss this part in the article:

“A similar program in London cost drivers £268 million (US $408 million) and FAILED to provide promised reductions in congestion, according to Transport for London data.”

Only thing the tax will do is divert money out of the drivers’ pockets and into the government’s coffers, which then will be squander on everything but the roads and traffic.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:54 am 98. Ms Attitude:

65. Boris: Please comment on his record. We are talking about Obama not the writer of the article. As I quoted, “…his most specific proposal was the creation of a $60 billion toll road bank (view details). In March, Obama endorsed New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg’s idea to charge a $9 toll on cars and a $22 toll for trucks that enter downtown Manhattan during working hours.”

Explain to me why you think he’s not looking into this taxation while his record shows that he’s interested in it? Please answer about Obama not Green.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:57 am 99. Ms Attitude:

91. kochevnik: Did you vote for Obama? Are you even from the United States?

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:00 pm 100. Marty:

G-Ma, et. al.

Don’t forget about the windfall profits tax on oil companies. That burden will be passed along to the consumer, as it always is. Which will effectively be a tax on cars by way of gasoline and oil consumptioin. It will also likely affect the zillions of other products that are petroleum-based.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:01 pm 101. Jonathan Hemlock:

I’m talking about Green.

Obviously.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:06 pm 102. ic:

Don’t worry. we can always “hope” and “change”. Just hope we or he can change for the better.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:12 pm 103. Agoraphobic Plumber:

“Freedom to do what? Stupid things with no benefits?”

I do believe the boy is finally getting it. But that would be no benefit to YOU. If there were no benefits to tobacco, or guns, or whatever, then the companies that sell such things would rapidly go under. Which is as it should be.

“Marajuana is a legal medicine in California, prescribed by doctors. The only doctor who would perscribe tobacco is Dr. Kervorkian.”

But only you are treating tobacco as a “medicine”. What is the benefit of gum? People drop it on the sidewalk and stick it under tables and it’s gross-looking and rots teeth. Clearly we should outlaw it. Not. People like it. That’s enough. That’s what freedom is.

“Most people seek freedom for their growth and health, not to further their retardation.”

Who cares what most people do? And why is what most people do a reason to restrict freedom? Maybe it’s important to some people to start their day with a smoke, or to stand on their head and sing “God Bless America”. What skin is it off your nose?

“If you need the freedom to do dumb things, you don’t need to ask the government.”

Um, apparently we do…because the government is hell-bent on limiting freedoms. Already around here they’ve made smoking sections illegal. They’re talking about forcing people to wear helmets on motorcycles and snowmobiles. Next they’ll be forcing us to get up at 5am and do 1/2 hour of calesthenics.

I would have thought a pro-pot person would have understood all this.

“The US government bans marajuana because it can be grown at home and hence hard to tax.”

My cop friend says the main problem is that it impairs driving and they don’t have a good, definitive roadside test for it.

“Booze and tobacco cannot easily be made at home, hence the government and banking mafia can obtain tribute from you with every puff and gulp through commerce.”

That same cop friend, and one other guy I know, currently brew beer and distill shine in tubs at home as a hobby. I’ve seen it done, and while the shine is pretty vile (but potent), the beer is premium. If I really wanted to, I could do it with about $100 and some free time.

Tobacco is a simple plant. They sell it in greenhouses for the flowers, which are very nice. It would be no problem at all to grow that stuff and smoke it like dope if you really wanted to smoke it and not get taxed.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:19 pm 104. Tom Holsinger:

I see nothing but wild exaggeration here, and I expect nothing but the worst from Obama. So far he’s done zip, but you are hyper-ventilating already. Lay off the caffeine.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:21 pm 105. anton:

charlotte 88; We already paid for the roads, excise tax on your car, excise tax on tires, gasoline taxes, property taxes, income taxes spent on highway bills. The government has had lots of our money to work on roads and all we get are badly designed, poorly built roadways that were constructed by the company with the best bribes (lobbyists). If the moron patrol that serves as a govenment was really interseted in reducing copngestion we would have some sort of decent rapid transit instead of busses full of junkies and light rail that doesn’t work.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:41 pm 106. Aureliano:

I see nothing but wild exaggeration here, and I expect nothing but the worst from Obama. So far he’s done zip, but you are hyper-ventilating already. Lay off the caffeine.

Actually, it would be unwise for the GOP leadership to just ‘wait’ to see what Obama is going to do. They need at least to attempt to gauge his intent and assemble some kind of a strategy, even if it changes.

Why do you expect everyday citizens not to speculate, think, talk, or discuss anything about Obama until he’s in office?

I’m not quite sure what you’re complaining about, unless you somehow think human discussions somehow follow neat linear lines without any ’straying’ or ‘exaggerations’.

Oh well, I guess it’s silly to be concerned about the intentions of the most powerful man in the world ….

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:48 pm 107. Boris:

“On a related note, does 0′bama smoke Kool’s?”

You are an idiot. And a racist question too–big surprise there.

Nov 14, 2008 - 12:57 pm 108. Boris:

“Please comment on his record.”

Use your head for a second, okay? I never said he wasn’t looking into taxation. I was responding to Green’s dumb comment that he had plans to tax car ownership. He has no such plans, not even close.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:11 pm 109. nick:

I heard martians are going to invade – much more scary than your GOP mornoic rumors!

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:18 pm 110. Mongoose:

Hey, you do not have to beat the bushes to find a particular psychological malady for Obama’s hatred of the middle class. It is part of the program, just like atheism. Part of the uniform. If you detest freedom, you have to hate the middle class; if you hate the human, you have to hate the middle class.

It would not matter if Obama where white as a lily, his parents had tons of cash and they doted on him. Witness Ted Kennedy.

A damaged psyche is just gravy here folks.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:18 pm 111. susan:

jerryofva

“I have sometimes compared Obama and Mussolini. But that is unfair to Il Duce. When he did his community organizing in Italy he led the mob while reciting from Dante. Obama doesn’t know who Dante was.”

I absolutely agree, and I am italian. Mussolini among some very nasty things has been able to drain some territories to improve agricolture, he invested a lot to renew the country’s infrastructures (school, hospitals, railways, highways) as well as pensions’ reform and he was the ONLY one who could tackle down the sicilian mafia which became prosperous again after he was killed.

Obama learnt from Mussolini the Alpha-male pose for his photo ops.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:27 pm 112. mac:

You’re worried about THE ONE now? Save your indignation for later. I PROMISE you you’ll have more reason to be angry with him and his party than you ever imagined.

Inside two years he will be the most hated President in American history. The Secret Service is really going to earn their money for the next four years.

52% of the country made one Hell of a mistake. 100% of the country will pay for it.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:31 pm 113. GOP Brother:

What do you folks mean: maybe the Electoral College won’t elect Obama? 52% of those that voted chose him and we should absolutely insist that he serve every last second of his four year term.In 2012 the Country can be salvaged by someone competent.Why should those morons who swallowed his snake oil be protected from their own idiocy?

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:37 pm 114. Rockmelon:

Thanks to all of the self absorbed, ignorant voters, we now have a despot on our hands that isn’t going to go away easily! Forget the political correctness! The people who voted for Obama truly are self absorbed and ignorant. There was so much controversy around this man and it didn’t take a great deal of intelligence to recognize it. It makes me really angry that half of the voting public got us into this quagmire.

Blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color. They could have cared less what his platform was! He was 1/8th black! Whoopee!

He WILL become the most vilified man in America!

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:47 pm 115. Pat J:

I hate to break it to you all, but Obama is not even President yet.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:54 pm 116. Tom Holsinger:

Aureliano,

Obama could do immense damage as President, but he hasn’t yet because he can’t – he won’t be sworn in for another two months. IMO, though, he’ll need the help of Congress to really do us in, and some of them are a lot scarier.

The subject of this pot was Obama has already started acting like a bully, which is pretty silly.

I am not contending that Bill Ayer’s good buddy should be given a chance to finish what Ayers only tried to do. Speculating now on which of Obama’s campaign promises he’ll really try to keep is keep is futile given that he has lied so much. We have to wait for him to start doing things.

Nov 14, 2008 - 1:57 pm 117. Rachel Peepers:

When Obama does away with the 1997 homeowner’s execption,
you’ll know the jig is up. And everyone who voted for the brown eyed handsome man will be seeing red.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you, but you Obamabots went and squandered your vote on a left wing lunatic.

And the rest of America is left holding the back.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:27 pm 118. kochevnik:

Agoraphobic Plumber,

>>“Freedom to do what? Stupid things with no benefits?”

>I do believe the boy is finally getting it. But that
>would be no benefit to YOU. If there were no benefits
>to tobacco, or guns, or whatever, then the companies
>that sell such things would rapidly go under. Which
>is as it should be.

Not quite. What about win-lose scenarios, like corporations externalizing costs? Polluting drinking water, arming criminals, encouraging addiction, slumlording. These are imbalances caused by contracts between the opportunist and the oppressed. The problem is that you are only looking at the situation from adding numbers. To get a fuller picture you also have to employ logarithms, or ratios to see where inequality lies. Of course there’s more to making a harmonic balance but respecting ratios, as liberals sometimes do, provides the first step.

BTW ignoring addition or ratios is pure ignorance, so I’m neither liberal or conservative in general.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:39 pm 119. Subash:

Give the Guy a chance. U are already making assumptions based on dis and mis information. We had Garbage for 8 Years, it is going to take some time to clean up. lets wait and see what he does in the first 2 years ourt of his 4 Years.
Itis very simple the Democrats/Obama screw up. Throw them out in the next election.

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:40 pm 120. Ms Attitude:

108. Boris:
“Use your head for a second, okay? I never said he wasn’t looking into taxation. I was responding to Green’s dumb comment that he had plans to tax car ownership. He has no such plans, not even close.”

I am using my head: Aren’t we going to be in possesion of a car (usually through ownership) when we drive on the roads that have tolls as he proposed? Or if he takes any of the advice from AASHTO there could be a one cent per mile tax, an extra one cent per gallon in the federal gasoline tax and a national sales tax on cars of one percent.

Do you agree now that it is a tax on car ownership? Heck, even if you are a car “borrower” you’d still have to pay the tax (toll).

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:40 pm 121. God Have Mercy:

Re: Ms. Attitude Wrote,

“Should there be some type of IQ test required before you can vote? I bet most of those that voted for him don’t understand how the government should run or what the Constitution says.”

Link: Typical IQ of Obama-ton voters, hear it for yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:45 pm 122. Anonymous:

Re: Ms Attitude Wrote,

“Should there be some type of IQ test required before you can vote? I bet most of those that voted for him don’t understand how the government should run or what the Constitution says.”
Link: Typical IQ of Obama-ton voters, hear it for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5p3OB6roAg

Nov 14, 2008 - 2:47 pm 123. futfoo:

Ms Attitude!!
wow how stupid to think that obama can be compared in the slightest with Adolf Hitler because first of all Hitler believed in National Socialism and this is actually a democracy!!so no way he couldve tricked people with the number of votes he got.Just look at the two canidates, McCain was molded in Vietnam and President Obama in HARVARD.True McCain might’ve have a bit more esxperience but then again look at his running mate!!Half the country didn’t have the slightest idea who she was!And it’s pretty safe to say she had no idea what she was doing.And why in the world would we have to take IQ tests in order to vote thats completely contrary to our constitution and its a lame and idiotic idea.And yes, any change in the white house will be better than having someone who agrees with Bush 90% of the time!
I give him 8 years.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:07 pm 124. Anita:

And what we had for the last 8yrs is so great? I voted against the bailout, just let capitalism happen. Isn’t that what you guys are all about? Capitalism? We see how thats worked out with the worst president this country has ever had. Powell quit because he saw what a disaster Bush was becoming. A dictatorship is what Bush would have preferred, so when fresh blood comes into the White House all of a sudden this is a terrible thing? Or is it because he’s black and you are too scared to admit it? This is a man with common sense and a bipartisan outlook, can’t you be happy with that instead of your doom and gloom attitude? The whole world is thrilled that Bush is out and Obama is in and your small little group of Clan members are the only ones upset. Get over it your way of thinking got us in this mess!

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:20 pm 125. Mr. T:

This made me laugh- Ken Besig:
I was terribly worried during the campaign that Barack Obama was nothing but a glib voice attached to a pretty face, whose handlers knew quite well how to run a winning campaign, but had a nominee who had no idea how to do the job. Now that a week has passed, and Obama hasn’t even made a single policy statement about anything, not even the miserable state of the economy, I am scared sick that Obama will fumble his way through the next four years.

AND THIS HASN”T HAPPENED OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS??? You Republicans act like you haven’t been here through the National humiliation of the last 8 years- Obama hasn’t even been inaugurated yet, and your all in terror- GROW UP! Noone could do worse than Bush at running this country-

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:20 pm 126. You:

This is all extremely entertaing, yet very unnerving. It’s amazing to me how you people are passing judgement on Obama’s policies without even having the authority to implement them yet. It is all rumormill at this point. Give the guy a chance. Jeez. It is no wonder the political environment is this country is so toxic and these politicians can abuse the system when the electorate is at each others’ throats at all costs in support of “their side” whether in the wrong or the right.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:22 pm 127. GPaulM:

What a bunch of sore losers. Oboma could do no worse than the facist crook who has raped our treasury with Blackhawk and he pals around with Wall Street big wigs who are getting greased even as GW leaves the dictatorship. BTFW, Obama is President-ELECT why don’t you at least wait until the guys in office to do your pointless bitching. I don’t hear any of you complaining about the last EIGHT years, are you really happy with the wa the economy is? If you are, we could have elected McSame… but we didn’t. The people have spoken. Get the hell over it.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:28 pm 128. fear Obama:

President Bush put a wrench into the Democrats machine.

He let them enjoy the disaster that Barney Frank and Chris Dodd created.
What will the democrats tax- minus 8 trillion dollars?

Bush also screwed the Arabs,
Oil is going so low they will have to eat sand.
Adinnerbabbernutjob will be hung by his Iranian nuts.
Chavez needs money so bad he is going to nationalized prostitution.

And Obambi is going to try and find Usma bin Lying in the hills of Old Ganastian.
It will be fun to watch as long as my TV is still working.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:29 pm 129. GPaulM:

I suggest to all of you haters the same thing you told me when I was unhappy with BUSH… Ameri9ca, love it or leave it. Get the hell out while you can!

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:32 pm 130. JT:

The amount of vitriol and ignorance displayed on this blog is astounding. It starts with the columnist. Obama is going to run the country largely from the center; he really has no choice (given that he bears great burdens of the current mess the country is in AND being the first non-white in the WHITE House) — this despite the Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. PlUS, he has always been a consensus-builder: it’s part of his personality; he not only believes and KNOWS that it’s productive to bring people together, he LIKES doing that.

Stop the fear-mongering already, all you nuts. (I know you’re used to it after 8 years of the current tragic joke of an administration.)

And this publication should find a more worthy, intelligent columnist; this guy’s column is so porous it’s pathetic.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:35 pm 131. V.O.R.:

You people are amazing. For 8 years you Republican insects have all stood behind the WORST, most secretive, despotic, tyrannic President in U.S. History (George Bush….his administration actually OUTED a CIA operative thereby endangering her life. What is more un-American than that?) and now you have the audacity to pass judgment on Barack Obama before he’s even served a day. It must be that he’s too intelligent (graduated top of his class at Harvard Law), too skillful(the most well-run, efficient campaign in history), too articulate (he can actually pronounce the word nuclear correctly)…

It will be a breath of fresh air to have someone in the White House who can actually listen to differing points of view (even your acidic and brainless invectives), weigh all the options and come to an intelligent and well-rounded plan of action for this country rather than just using his “gut feeling” and running it into the ground like GWB.

Talk about needing to take an IQ test before voting! Sheesh, you people are nothing more than brain-dead, bible-thumping racists!

(And, by the way, I’m white)

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:37 pm 132. Jimmy Joe Meeker:

That’s it, folks.
Jump on the anti-Obama bandwagon. Don’t give the guy a chance–that would be the American/Christian thing to do. Just jump down his throat before he’s even been sworn in.
You gave that jackass George Bush two terms to make a difference, but you can’t even wait for Obama to take office before crucifying him…
You poor, stupid bastards.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:46 pm 133. cathrine:

Obama promised change, and change is very uncomfortable…for the first time, we have a president elect who may actually deliver on what he had campaigned for..Is this the McCarthy forum or something??

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:51 pm 134. spkmky:

The only traitor is Bush and his last 8 years. How can you complain. Anything but McBush.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:55 pm 135. fear Obama:

It is also a lot of fun reading your Democrat comments trying to defend an empty suit.

The man with the Official Seal of ‘President Elect’ is not even in office yet.

/cant wait till Jan 20th.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:57 pm 136. Ms Attitude:

Wow, it looks like the left forgot to go volunteer…I just love it when you come onto a website that doesn’t share your views just to run your mouths. Aren’t you supposed to be the ones reaching out and being nice? Isn’t that what Obama wants of you? Yet, you come here, call names and try to make sense out of something you don’t understand!!

123. futfoo: You forgot how to read, I said his coming to power mimiced Hitler. I never said he was going to rule like Hitler…go pick up a history book. The similarities are a little bit on the freaky side.

131. V.O.R.: The color of your skin means nothing. There’s no need to point that out.

Nov 14, 2008 - 3:58 pm 137. Sore Losers:

You guys and gals need to stop believing everything you read or hear from the media (”Fox”). Give him a chance!!! He is not in the oval office yet, so we all need to wait and see what he is going to do. But if you are not happy about him winning the election then you will never be happy about anything he does or doesn’t do!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:01 pm 138. Aureliano:

Uh-oh, it’s attack of the 90-IQ liberal blog readers.

Where are you from, bumpkins? Dos? Huffington Post?

MileyCyrus.com?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:02 pm 139. fear Obama:

Talk about needing to take an IQ test before voting! Sheesh, you people are nothing more than brain-dead, bible-thumping ‘racists!’

OMG!

There is that word again!

Oh! NO!

NOT THE EVIL “RACISTS”

* walks off crying-*
* forgive me- forgive me *

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:04 pm 140. HH L:

I totally agree with te last two posts (JT and VOR). It appears that the people on this blog are choosing to not understand the intelligence and balance that Obama is bringing to the White House. I do not think you are going to find much comfort in your “group think” of negativity and bitterness and not to mention “just you wait…” mindset. The great divide in this country is no longer Democrat and Reuplican-it is now world views. I am pleased I have chosen the one that is inclusive and tolerant rather than the small-minded and divisive views posted here.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:05 pm 141. Karl:

Obama has not taken the oath of office and I am amazed at the amount of speculation about the future.

Mr. Obama will be everyone’s President. We need to support our new President-Elect. All the fear is just an illusion. His campaign workers were furnished with this slogan: “No Drama with Obama”

The present administration thrived on division and fear. On election day, Nov. 4, 2008, over 66 Million Americans said no to fear and division. My country tis of thee sweet land of liberty of thee I sing.

What choose you?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:05 pm 142. noelle:

Jimmy Joe Meeker is the only person with some sense on here.
Obama may soar, Obama may fail. Most of you that commented on this article must have convenient amnesia!!! Bush made a mockery of the American people! Some have worked for years and lost half of their life savings! People’s children, mothers, fathers,…etc. are dying for an almost senseless war! We’re paying for the beautiful massive construction in the middle east, while many Americans are losing their homes.
I think it is more than fair to give Obama a chance before we knock him down.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:11 pm 143. nick:

I dont care if you racists suffer through a depression

you deserve one

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:11 pm 144. Tori:

for all you idiots that are “scared” of an Obama presidency…where were you when George Bush was let loose? You let Bush run this country down to hell without opening you stupid fat mouths but now you have so much to say. Well please just shut the hell up because I seriously doubt if Obama can do half the damage George Bush has mangaged to do!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:11 pm 145. lee:

What indication has Obama given about governing from the center? Some Asian newspapers are already warning about possible protectionist policies. Just like Bush, Obama will probably bail out auto industries strangled by union entitlement benefits for years.

I didn’t NOT vote for Obama because I’m a racist bible thumper. His economic policies aren’t anything to write home about, and he’s so heavily indebted to special interest groups that he’s unlikely to make the necesary changes. I cannot, for the LIFE of me, find anyone in my immediate circle who can articulate Obama’s economic plans, other than the ready made “He’ll tax the 1% rich” or “he’s not republican” type of line.

Obama will probably ban offshore drilling, invest millions in stem research, and create newer and more expensive entitlement programs that will continue to eat away at our budget for years and yet acheive nothing. His adoring fans are convinced that he’s the anti bush, just because he says so. Really? I see 4 more years of Bush, just a leftist version of him.

Please god, please let john stossel run for office one of these days.

(And, by the way, I’m not white)

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:12 pm 146. EShaw:

All of you aganist Obama get a life. He’ll do a better job than bush i bet you that.Quit hateing.I am so sick of the negativity that is going on.If you dont have anything good to say then don’t say anything ay all. We have a new President so get ove it.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:12 pm 147. nick:

Obama cant screw up economy up any more than tou MORONS already did!

and mortgage interest deduction is not needed.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:12 pm 148. shan:

We are all Americans and were all made in the insight of God. I dont understand why the color of your skin makes you so different and I know I will never know we AMERICANS will never know until JUDGEMENT DAY. We are in a crisis right now and thats why some of you have so much time on your hand to be on this webpage making assumptions about PRESIDENT ELECT BARACK OBAMA..meaning you might not have a job or you may not have enough cash to take yourself out or take the family out to a museum or something. So give this man a chance and stop putting your foot in your mouth and change is good. It is so sad that when you are reading this mess you can actually tell the race of a person because of the negative things. We all need to grow up and unite as one this country is old and we need to move pass the old ways of living, things are changes but us americans are not. We have been in the whole for eight years starting in 2001 with the terroist attacks and we have not gotten back on track since then. GOD BLESS you all!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:15 pm 149. christine:

OBAMA READ THIS PLEASE:

Wise Words to Consider
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During this political season let’s be reminded of these wise words…
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You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
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You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
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You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
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You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
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You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
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You cannot build character and courage by taking away people’s initiative and independence.
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You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves…
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                                                ~ Abraham Lincoln ~

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:17 pm 150. Coolbreeze:

To all of you outsiders that voted for Obama remember you just might get what you wish for. Welcome to my world of Crook county Illinois.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:17 pm 151. JD:

Holy crap! I stumbled into a den of ditto heads! I know y’all are not used to doing this but PLEASE THINK FOR YOURSELVES! Kool-aid is not a drink for adults. We have suffered through the last 8 years because two many on the right rabidly eat up everything they are told. The majority of negative things you have heard about Obama are False! That’s what happens in campaigns! The object is to make the “other guy” look bad. The campaign is over and McCain and company have stopped the hostilities. You should all do the same. Would you love to wrong about Obama? Wouldn’t you love to see him be a fantastic president? At least give him the chance before you tar and feather him. Even Bush got a chance.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:19 pm 152. Santa Fean:

Why did the Republicans lose? One party ran on fueling fear and the other party ran on hope. Hmmmm….looks like many of you enjoy fear? Is it because Sean/Rush/BillO TELL you to be afraid? What is it about fear that you embrace? Give yourself a break…take a deep breath….count your blessings and think for yourself instead of being a dittohead. Try to see the light instead of being a part of the highly negative right wing that cost the Republicans this election. YOU can cast off your chains!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:19 pm 153. wise:

It’s president-elect Obama. His term doesn’t begin until January 20, 2009. Too much misinformation and not enough facts based upon performance. May common sense kick-in sooner than later.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:20 pm 154. cissy969:

President Elect Obama is not in office yet and you stupid opinionated people are already slandering his name.Give it a rest.He hasn’t manadated a platform and you have form your ungodly opinions…No wonder other countries hate us.We hate ourselves

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:21 pm 155. Dew5050:

So, u guys have not gotten over ur loss? whether u like it or not, obama is our president and he won the election hands down. Most americans are in support of him. You guys looked down on him, called him all types of names before the election, yet, he ended up beating u silly.

Continue ur foolish attacks on him, he will end up beating u guys silly once more. The sooner you knew that he is a very talented guy, the better for you. I pity ur pettiness, continue wallowing in self pity. Many of u in this blog, would rather have america destroyed. Enemies of progress!! may God save america from people like u!!!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:22 pm 156. ForObama:

For the Hitler fanatics out there. Your ignorance and lack of education shines through because Hitler was a conservative not a liberal/centrist (Obama). Most of the right-wing nutjobs on this site have more in common with Hitler than Obama. That includes President Bush. Bush’s grandfather supplied money to Nazi Germany to fund their war. It’s a FACT, look it up.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:24 pm 157. duke:

wow i have read all these blogs and man it seems that we havent over came our fears yet OBAMA havent even been sworn in and mostly everybody has said something negative about him some said only black people voted for him cause he’s black my question to them, are you black and did you vote for him. This is America and last time i look Obama will be our Commander and Chief so if you dont like that then arent you a terrorist

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:25 pm 158. Stoney:

WOW, If some of the bigots on here took a IQ test, to vote. It would have been a even bigger Obama win. The man isn’t even president yet and yall are complaining. (Go look in the mirror and admit to yourself) “I’m still a racist” Now get over it. Let’s unite this great country.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:25 pm 159. Ms. Davis:

Wow, Im really amazed at how quickly people are bad mouthing OUR President Elect. He hasnt even taken office yet and already has hater-aid poured all in his shoes. RELAX white America its cant be as bad as the past 8 years and if he does nothing positive for the country, he wont be the first.Give the man a chance. And for the commentor saying that “the people who voted for him dont really know how politics work or how the government works, I know what your trying to say nicely but its still a very low blow considering the fact that the so called people that voted him in were beaten for learning to read, and not allowed to vote for so long, Im sure that is a correct statement. But here is what we do know…we know that we finally have a voice. we can no longer THINK our vote doesnt count. We know from this election alone that there are enough of us to stand up and be heard clearly! Good Luck Mr. President-Elect with all the people making bets against you, you will need it. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:25 pm 160. Mark Jerome:

This entry seems long on supposition, innuendo, hyperbole, but short on facts or credible sources. We know anyone who didn’t vote Obama has already his presidency will be a disaster and that the GOP is organizing to fight him on everything, but let’s give him the benefit of the doubt, shall we. He can’t be any worse than The Worst President Ever, currently occupying the White House.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:27 pm 161. chatman:

Could we not stand a few years of intelligence, multi-opinion discussion, and pragmatism put
to work on the problems?–instead of “knee
jerk” and “gut” reaction and either “with me
or against me” psyche!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:28 pm 162. justahunch:

How come we only point the finger at the leader or next leader? How come none of you are taking the house or the senate to task on their abysmal leadership in the last eight years and especially the last 2 years? Bush’s biggest problem – hardly ever used the veto power – worst on record. Yet, the leadership in the house & senate have done nothing but squabble – it’s time to change those folks don’t you think?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:29 pm 163. Romelus:

I think I am actually in the twilight zone as I read these comments!!!! President Bush has run this country into the GROUND….on every front, while alienating the entire world with his stupid, idiotic big-oil ideals. Yet I hear these idiots attacking Obama and he`s not in office yet….amazing, absolutely amazing! This is what the GOP has turned into? It seems that the “deliverence” crowd we saw at those rallys have definitely taken over….and for clarrification…the entire WORLD likes Obama.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:29 pm 164. vanessa:

Ok, who expects for all this to change from here to there? I mean come on, everything has its process! Voting for either one, we would still be in the same situation! Think about it! Everything was screwed up, now Obama needs to think, how to clean it up! It is not based on experience, what counts is for you to have the knowledge and strenght. So you’ll see we will be better!!!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:30 pm 165. barney:

Mr. Jefferson’s correctly (I believe) wrote that we are all endowed by our Creator with the rights to LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT HAPPINESS. Those who voted for Mr. Obama voted against life and liberty – for the sake of their pursuit of happiness.

Dr. King dreamed of the day when a man would be judged on the content of his character and not the color of his skin. I think most black Americans who voted for Mr. Obama did so based on the color of his skin, because he holds no credible claim to high content of character (snorts cocaine, and hangs out with racist preachers and convicted terrorists)

Each day I pray that God will confound the plans of those who would do evil to our brave troops in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, and the plans of those who would (choose to) kill unborn babies.

Now I pray this and that He will confound both the spoken plans and the hidden plans that Mr. Obama has for this country and our fellow Americas.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:30 pm 166. leighg1:

You haters do not deserve President Obama. You haters deserve only Bush – Nothing less, nothing more!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:31 pm 167. Jabeezus:

What a sad bunch up in here. All your paranoid, baseless fears about Obama ruining the country have already come true under your treasonous, loser, fratboy George Bush. And to think you would prefer a couple of corrupt, greedy, infantile ignoramuses like McCain/Palin is beyond belief.
Americans are clearly living in separate universes. What will we do?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:32 pm 168. vivo:

A bad start? You’re kidding!

It looks like a good start for the country.

A better start? Impeach Bush & Cheney.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:33 pm 169. Bosqcatl:

Wow, what a bunch of pathetic losers on this site. If Barack choses Hillary as SS I will hate it!, But after enduring 8 years of disaster under Bush, I can wait until January 20th and a few months following before chanting failure! You anti-Americans sound like a bunch of Greeks before the slaughter of Socretes. Who raised you guys anyway? Were all your parents Neo Nazis and Skin Heads? Get a life or leave the country. East Germany sounds like a great destination for you losers!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:34 pm 170. ja coll:

It’s amazing to me that we have so many who can predit the future of our country under the presidency of Barack Obama. Do any of you understand that he has more to fix than any president in history? You all seem to spew a bunch of rhetoric and statistics, but the man isn’t even in office yet. Give him a chance-it’s more than obvious that YOU-those who continually oppose him-are the minority. However, the poll results and his staggering win on Nov. 4th shows that a change is happening. So many of you naysayers are quoting the Bible, but did you realize that Barack is in the Bible? It’s spelled Barak-a savior.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:35 pm 171. ForReal:

I didn’t vote for Obama. But I read this article and then the numerous comments underneath the article. I saw how assumptions and guesses about what Obama might possibly do and how he may be thinking, gradually morphed into factual statements and vexed zingers. Unbelievable! This guy is NOT yet the President. BUSH still is. Your current, collective, economic woes and fears have nothing to do with Obama. It’s all been George Bush. And no matter what the rumor mill says, Obama has done NOTHING yet as President. Studying various opposing views, just like me reading this article and comments, is about staying informed and balanced. That cannot predict how Obama might rule someday. Even those close to him cannot really know. No one has a crystal ball that foretells the future at 100%, or we’ll all win the lottery… Flogging Obama here and now only demonstrates shameful deep set prejudices. Let him be!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:35 pm 172. Boris:

“Aren’t we going to be in possesion of a car (usually through ownership) when we drive on the roads that have tolls as he proposed?”

You have got to be kidding me, right?

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:39 pm 173. Dennis:

Everyone in here seems to have the power to predict the future? get over yourselves. the man just got elected, won by a wide majority and all you whinners can do is comment on how he is this or that. buck up.. we are all americans and everyone of you complaining on this silly nonsense probably voted for bush.. and look where that got us. so like they say in the military… suck it up and drive on.. the man isn’t even in office yet. at the very least wait until the first 100 days to complain about what he has done or hasn’t…. psychic babblers think they know the future… HE IS PRESIDENT ELECT… not president yet. bush still has to govern for the next few weeks. there is nothing he can do significantly until he is sworn in…duh.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:42 pm 174. Dew5050:

I am not surprised that u guys did not publish my comment, further more, ‘am not surprised that you published comments from bloggers calling the president-elect all kinds of names in their comments. I have now understood where your interest lies!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:44 pm 175. Lucien:

IT’S ASTOUNDING! THE LEVEL OF ARROGANT IGNORANCE ARTICULATED BY OBAMA-BASHERS! FINALLY, AFTER 8 YEARS UNDER THE WORST PRESIDENT AMERICA HAS EVER HAD IN ITS LONG HISTORY – GEORGE W. BUSH – WE’VE WISELY ELECTED A PRESIDENT WHO TRULY EXEMPLIFIES THE BRIGHTEST AND BEST QUALITIES THAT AMERICA HAS TO OFFER!

OBAMA HAS BLACK SKIN, AND IT’S AN HEROIC ECHO OF ANOTHER IMPORTANT FORMER ILLINOIS SENATOR/PRESIDENT -ABRAHAM LINCOLN – WHO IS CATAPULTING AMERICA FORWARD INTO A MUCH MORE ENLIGHTENED FUTURE… WE HAVE TRIUMPHED OVER OUR LONG HISTORY OF RACISM BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF OBAMA IS NOT THAT HE HAS BLACK SKIN BUT THAT HE HAS A RAINBOW HEART!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:49 pm 176. One Love:

131 V.O.R, I could have not said it any better. Get ready racist, change has only begun. To all racist were getting an island ready for your,
Departure: By ship, 1/20/09.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:50 pm 177. Cliff:

Look ma, the Rahm Emanuel political attack machine is already working, and overtime it seems!

As a Republican, who is more a Anti-Federalist/Whig strict Constitutionalist than anything, I never liked Bush. I live in Texas, I know the governor has little power, so why the RNC made him the candidate, I’ll never know. I disliked Bush 41 and I should’ve voted for Perot, but that was 16 years ago, hindsight is 20/20. I didn’t like Bob Dole, but voted for him anyway, same with Bush. Buyers’ Remorse all the way. But, the MSM did harp on “W” an awful lot, so do I really know if my dislike is really my own thoughts?

As for this guy who is now our president-elect, he doesn’t lean towards Hitler and NAZI party, he seems more Trotsky, Lenin, and Stalin, but he could combine the two(Communism and National Socialist) and claim it is patriotic to give your money to the State and work only for the State, and then the “One” will blame someone(Christians maybe?) for all the problems and the solution for those problems would be to get rid of the people who caused the problem and say it is patriotic to turn in your Christian neighbor to the State. You see it already with these ultra left wing wackos blaming Christians for everything.

Homeland Security, brought to you by George W. Bush and maybe perfected into the Gestapo/KGB and SS by Herr(Dear Leader) Obama, if not Herr Obama, then Pelosi and Reid, quite possibly, the power behind the throne. George Orwell would probably be surprised to see 1984 come to life in the United States, but, then again maybe not.

Ah, but none of this matters, it is considered racist for us to even question “The One.” We’re all a bunch of right wing wackos out to destroy the Worker’s Paradise of America, we must submit to “The One’s” will, or we will be in the Gulag/Concentration Camp and re-educated to conform to “The One’s” will. We must vote to let “The One” off of the 2 term requirement, because, you see, it is for our own good, “The One” has our best interest at heart. Her Holines Oprah will tell us “Resistance is Futile”

Scotty, beam me up, there is no longer intelligent life here!

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:55 pm 178. Sandy:

How can people rant and rave about Obama, who is not going to be sworn in til January, while the Bush show runs on til then? Bush has to be the worst President since Millard Filmore. A war that was a colossal mistake, incompetence when situations required quick action, and the current stripping of regulations that protect the public.
One big reason for the economic mess we’re in is the deliberate ignoring of Wall Street’s greed and unethical manipulation in the market. Where was the SEC. A situation that may bring down the world’s economy started right here under good ol’ Bush’s watch. The buck stops with him.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:59 pm 179. One Love:

Ms Attitude, your giving OBAMA 6 months? But you gave Bush 8yrs and dreamed of giving McCain 4 yrs, That’s scary.

Nov 14, 2008 - 4:59 pm 180. Curtis G:

You know, reading these comments I am struck by the outright hypocrisy and ignorance contained in most of them. Those of you who truly think Obama would pervert the Constitution or throw it out, do you really believe that or are you just saying that because it sounds good or because you heard someone else say it? Can you please provide an example where he would dissolve or has indicated he would do something that would dissolve the Constituion? If I am not mistaken, wasn’t it Sarah Palin and John McCain (who would have been the alternate choice in this election) that were looking to add responsibilities to the office of VP that weren’t in the Constititution? I would think that claiming responsibilities for job that are not allowed under the Constituition would be a true perversion. Although I don’t think either party would have much success in changing or abolishing Constitution, I also don’t think that either candidate was even thinking in that direction. And this bad start? While the author (and everyone on the board) are entitled to their opinion (by way of the first amendment), the “fights” Obama are picking are no different from the fights EVERY president has had before him that are essential ingrained into the individual stances each president has taken on certain issues. With Bush, it was him against the moderate and liberal Republicans (pro-choice), the pharmaceutical industry (stem cell research), southern US border states (immigration), and the Federal Reserve (lower to middle class tax cuts). Before the Democrats took over Congress, it was even Bush against his own congresional leaders Dashle and Delay. While I was not rooting for Obama initially (and I still don’t think the two most qualified people even made it out of their respective primaries), there is no way anyone can say that the man has been less than substantial. I have seen post here accusing Obama of being vague on the issues… really? Did we watch the same primary and election? While I have nothing but respect for McCain (I voted for him in the 2000 Republican primaries… which he should have won), I cannot deny that, until the last three weeks of the campaign, McCain had not been specific on ANY policy that he proposed. To the contrary, Obama was so upfront that he ran the risk of alienating people BECAUSE of his details and stances that other candidates would not have released until after they were elected. Examples that jump to mind are his repeated and determined stance on guns, admitting his tax plan would raise taxes for higher earners, admitting that there will be fine on parents that don’t obtain insurance for their kids under his plan, and admitting that his foreign policy credentials were subpar to McCain’s. Any one of these individual issues could have cost him the election but he stuck to them any way. My whole point of posting this is to point out that no matter what anyone here thinks or says, he is ALL OF OUR president. Just like I was dissapointed with McCain’s showing in the 2000 primaries but sucked it up and accepted Bush when he won the presidency, so do all of us have to do so now. Because I refuse to think negatively about my fellow countrymen, I will assume (hopefully) that his race is not the reason for much of the unfounded and flat out untrue statements (for the most part) that are found on this post. I hope it is due to ignorance in the sense that some of you have simply taken other people’s arguments instead of researching and reading on your own. While I was apprehensive about Obama’s election, there is nothing any of us can do about it now. I will say that America as whole surprised me by electing him as I’d assumed America was at least a decade or so away from seriously voting for a black president. However, this is one of those instances where I am glad I am wrong because by proving me wrong, it showed me that America and its peole are farther ahead than I (and probably alot of other people) thought we were. It shows a resiliency, a resolve that has and does make this country great. We showed the world that we are better than all of them put together because we are NOT bound by our past but greater than it. How many other countries can say that? Only one… America. So instead of sitting at your computers writing, waiting, and hoping for our new president to fail, we should be doing everything in our power to make sure that he doesn’t, because the world is watching too… and we want to give them the best show of democracy, patriotism, and liberty that this great country has to offer! The way I see it, the election of this country’s first black president has the ability to polarize degrade the progress this country in relation to its past or unify and propel us to a state of accord unlike anything we have ever experienced as a country. Now all of you, all of us, have to decide… which side will you be contributing to? WHen it is all said and done, will you be able to say that you help advance this country or hold it back? Now… you tell me what is the most unpatriotic thing a person can do for thier country.

Nov 14, 2008 - 5:11 pm 181. One Love:

Ms. Attitude, say it!!!! OBAMA, see how nicely it rolls of your tounge. Get use to it, you’LL have 8 years of BARAK OBAMA.

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Nov 14, 2008 - 6:00 pm 184. felix:

Have an idea..give half of the country to the libs and half to conservatives…doesn’t matter which party…..then see which one is left standing after 10 years..

Wanta bet?

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:10 pm 185. tanstaafl:

Just look at the two canidates, McCain was molded in Vietnam and President Obama in HARVARD.

In fact (tho’ I’m no great fan) John McCain was molded at the Naval Academy, Annapolis MD and (just perhaps) molded by the naval tradition in his own family, his father and grandfather.

Barry was named President of the Harvard Law Review (for reasons not completely clear), has never released his grades there or at Columbia or his class standing. I’ve never read anything interesting or penetrating in his writing or seen anything in his 48 or so years to demonstrate particular qualities of character. He likely missed the majority of US Senate votes since he’s been essentially running for Prez since coming on board in the Senate in 2005.

Near as I can figure out, many of the 54% voting bloc wanted a guy who looks good and can present to the Europeans with the fake “class” many of the 54% think GWB lacks. Barack and his wife kinda sorta had rotten things to say about the US of A (including telling a 7 YO girl that the country isn’t up to what he intends to turn it into). It didn’t bother Pennsylvanians, apparently, when he told the wealthy folks in San Francisco that they were bitter, clinging to guns & religion. It didn’t bother Ohians, I guess, that he may institute a lot of BS costs that wind up devastating the coal industry. Both states went in his column, so what can you say ? He told you rubes that China is cool and y’all suck, ’cause you don’t speak a foreign language, and you won’t even notice that he “Michelle and myself…” has a little problem with English grammar himself.

In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king, especially if he’s sporting a natty suit.

Nov 14, 2008 - 6:52 pm 186. Militant-Infidel:

Has the text message crowd now gone back to play with their little toys? Is it safe for a mature discussion?

I had to scroll over the last 50+ comments. Sorry if I missed any intelligent posts in there.

To all the “MFG, give the man a break” crowd: My hope is to give the president elect at least as much respect/support they have given the current president.

MI

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:00 pm 187. JG:

wow you guys that are bashing obama must have the lowest IQs known to man. you guys wanted to vote in mcbush who voted 94% of the time with bush. and bush just happens to be the worst president we ever had. but you idiots wanted mccain and palin(who is dumber than a box of rocks.) and please dont give me that crap that blacks only voted for him because he was black bullcrap. if obama was white i still would have voted for him. blacks vote over 80% for dems anyways, kerry got 88% and he still lost. if you guys had a choice between obama and bush(for a third term if there was one) you idiots would still kiss bush’s butt back into office

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:14 pm 188. tanstaafl:

On the Constitution for Curtis G in that long, rambling paragraph…

The President of the United States is not empowered to turn the position into a social welfare agency or to use the office as a platform for redistribution of income and (offhand remark to Joe the Plumber) “spreading the wealth around”.

O’s view of the office as an extension of community organizing or Michelle Obama’s post election comments offered to the Times of London that her husband ran for President of the United States so he could “help families” is simply not in the job description.

However, with a compliant Congress in the form of its 2 leaders, the brain dead Harry Reid and the angry School Marm Nancy Pelosi, and Joe Biden saying stuff like paying taxes is your “patriotic” duty and Rep. Jim Moran saying how dare you presume the money you make is yours (nonono, it’s Barry’s to co-opt and redistribute as he sees fit)…all that combined will make a country and a government that the Founders worked very hard to avoid ever becoming any sort of possibility. Checks and balances (on power) among the three branches was the idea, not some seamless stream of micromanagers in charge of the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary.

John Kennedy’s…Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country…(tho’ a bit trite in its own way)…turned, under O’s 2 year long campaign to…

Hey, man, you want a government that’s gonna rob Peter to pay Paul ?! Do you 47 million citizens that don’t pay any federal income taxes at all want a check in the mail ? Vote BHO in ‘08 !

And you did !

You signed up to become slaves of the US government, getting meager pats on the head and occasional checks in the mail to keep you coming back for more.

Nov 14, 2008 - 7:25 pm 189. venividivici:

Riddle me this, all of you who think liberals are so smart and conservatives so dumb: Who is asking the government to take whose money? If you all are so smart, why are you so poor that you need my conservative dumb ass’s money? Shouldn’t you be able to take it from me in the competitive marketplace, possibly by selling me WWJD t-shirts and NASCAR paraphenalia? Why do you need to government to step in and take it? Doesn’t that just eliminate some of your rightful cut, by requiring a bureaucracy to enforce “spreading the wealth”? If you’re so smart, wouldn’t you want to maximize the amount you take from me, and not share it with some random government worker, and realize that the place to do that is in the free market? Plus, if you do it that way, I wouldn’t resent it, since I got a fair deal, right? That would eliminate the need for the hostility between the two groups, which would make your new-found wealth even easier to enjoy, wouldn’t it? So, by asking a series of questions about wealth and the redistribution of it via two different mechanisms, it is shown that the real reason liberals need the government to step in is because they are too dumb to invent and sell the products that would separate us stupid conservatives from our money.

Or, as I not only suspect but know, the actual fact is that the population of liberals contains 99% mediocrities and 1% people who can get things done and that 1% knows that the only chance it has for power is by filling the mediocrities with stories about their superiority.

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:17 pm 190. vivo:

185. tanstaafl:

“Just look at the two canidates, McCain was molded in Vietnam and President Obama in HARVARD.

What could McCain possibly learn in Vietnam but count flies on a cell for five years? Maybe he reaffirmed his courage to disregard his captors and then do whatever he wanted to do for himself during his senatorial tenure. That’s why he failed: he just saw himself and not the Country. And the Reps who nominated him? Blind as blind mice . . .

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:45 pm 191. vivo:

185. tanstaafl:

” Barack and his wife kinda sorta had rotten things to say about the US of A (including telling a 7 YO girl that the country isn’t up to what he intends to turn it into).”

The truth is ROTTEN?

I can say this again: “the country ISN’T up to what he intends to turn it into.”

Are you blind, deaf and dumb? That 54% of voters you mentioned were clearly wide awake! (Thanks Starbucks? ).

Nov 14, 2008 - 10:54 pm 192. fear Obama:

178. Sandy:
How can people rant and rave about Obama, who is not going to be sworn in till January, while the Bush show runs on till then?

Because Sandy- (President Elect Obama) put up an Official Seal- Which said: President Elect Obama is now on the job!

He just passed the messy Buck from President Bush on to his own desk.
Wherever that might be?

And you thought Obama was very, very smart?
I thought it was the dumbest thing any politician has ever done!

The country is going into a tail spin and he stands up and takes responsibility?

And you thought he graduated from Harvard with honors?

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:14 pm 193. fear Obama:

President Bush could order Marshall Law and take over the Government,
And everybody would think ‘President Elect’ Obama had ordered him to do so.

Now that Would be funny?

‘President Elect’ Obama and President Bush for 8 more years?

/I just started the next great 2 months of Democrat paranoiac.

Nov 14, 2008 - 11:40 pm 194. Curtis G:

To tanstaafl:
What you say is true (about the president not being empowered to turn the position into a social welfare agency), however, you missed my point entirely, but I’ll get to that later. For starters, Obama would not be the first president to redistribute wealth. If you pay taxes of any kind, you are already participating in a wealth redistribution program. If you collect a military or government pension, you already participate in a wealth redistribution program. For Christ’s sake, most rich school districts in this country participate in a wealth redistribution program that sends a portion of wealthy districts’ tax money to poorer districts and it’s called (tada) the Robin Hood program! To put it bluntly, wealth redistribution has been going on for a quite while in this country and it is absolutely NECESSARY; some of it good, some of it bad but none of it new. Next, Obama’s so called wealth redistribution is mainly allowing the tax cuts Bush gave the wealthy back in his first term to expire which, essentially, causes the wealthy (above 200,000 a year) to pay the same taxes that they did about six years ago. He is not raising their taxes beyond any level that they haven’t already seen so what’s socialistic about that. Incidentally, the expiration on those tax cuts isn’t even scheduled to happen until 2010 so its not even imminent and may not even be necessary if the economy is improved by then… something Obama has stated before. In any case, Bush allowed a multitude of Clinton tax credits to expire a few years back of which the estate tax and the marriage tax credit were the most prominent. Were you crying about that when he did it? Did you call him a socialist reformer. Not only that, Bush then proceeded to propose and pass a ridiculous government bailout plan that is more socialist than anything this country has ever done and, if executed the way it was initially planned, would fully qualify as a socialist move because the government would have controlling interest of private institutions. Did you cringe at that? Was there an outcry from you? Well there should have been if you are going to knock Obama for basically continuing to use increased taxes to fund projects that, ironically, he never said he was going to give to the poor. He is only allowing the tax cuts on the wealthy to expire to offset the planned tax cuts he wants to give to middle class. The last time I checked, middle class isn’t poor… not even lower middle class. Struggling maybe, but not poor by anyone’s definition. Check you facts before you throw out wild accusations. I am not saying Obama is perfect ( I personally think he is arrogant and pompous), but for better or worse, he is the President of the United STates now and it will help this country (not him) if everybody simply accepted that (as they have so many times before) and worked to make sure the he does what he needs to do get this country out of the recession it is in. If we all can’t unite behind our own president, then this country IS more screweed than I thought it was.

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:00 am 195. JimmyShaker:

Red, white, and blue is America. NO, we are not like the rest of the world, we are Americans. With a few exceptions, when one party has been in the White House for eight years, we vote in another party. This president elect is not quite American enough to sit at 1600 Pennsylvania. Not where he was born or the race of his parents, but rather, the words out of his mouth condemn him. We are known by our associations and BHO’s certainly shout volumes – and some shout louder than others. He could not pass a Top Secret Clearance nor the one those who guard him must past. And is his wife “lady” material? The MO is, “just now proud to be an American,” is by far and away from her being a Jackie Kennedy. It is not January 20th yet.

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:16 am 196. susan:

The obamatrons here keep talking about how their boy is “intelligent”.

I guess none of the retards ever bothered to see him perform without a teleprompter.

and morto if you are so sick of USA as it is why don’t you leave? Oh yeah, because staying your whole life on the dole is nice.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:03 am 197. fear Obama:

Bush then proceeded to propose and pass a ridiculous government bailout plan that is more Socialist than anything this country has ever done.

Yes, President Bush did didn’t he?

And now the Democrats are being begged by every state, county, and car company for a bankruptcy bailout. ‘President Elect’ Obama doesn’t know which way to turn.
I still think Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Harry Reid and Nancy Peloski should get all the confusion they deserve. PAYBACK FOR all the crap the democrats gave President Bush and just a small taste of the Socialism democrats had planned for the American people.

And President Elect Obama said we can not take 8 more years of Bush failed policy’s.- ha.

What if he starts a war with Iran?
Now that Obama has declared his presidency.

I can see Democrat heads exploding all over the blogosphere.

Nov 15, 2008 - 4:28 am 198. Bill Dalasio:

The claim that we should “give 0bama a chance” seems a little strange. The man is only now annunciating his policies. Many of us find those policies abhorrent. To claim that objecting to those polices is somehow “not giving him a chance” amounts to claiming that his election somehow or another nullified the very process of democratic debate. If you or Sen. 0bama don’t like the criticism of his announced policies, you’re more than welcome to change those policies.

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:29 am 199. nzuckerman:

Hey! get over it!!! The GOP screwed up for 8 years and now the people want a new order in place. Cut the guy some slack, cause your Mr Genius is still in office and Obama wisely notes that we have but one president at a time. When he actually assume office, then comment on what he does or fails to do…Not, as here, sniping away cause that is what the Right seems best at doing. Now if you think Obama should not have won the office, and the Dems should not have won as big as they did, then you simply don;’t believe in democratically held elections or of the wisdom of the people to decide who ought t lead them.The people are not right when your guyh gets in and wrong when it is not your guy.it is, in fact, YOU who are wrong.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:46 am 200. tanstaafl:

For the record, Curtis G, I cringe at all government bailout plans. I cringed (to the max) in the…2nd Presidential debate ?…when John McCain made noises about the federal government ponying up for failed mortgages of people who…are you ready ? In the words of Barney Frank…”never should have received home loans in the first place”.

This is the same Barney Frank whose boyfriend had a cushy job at Fannie Mae for a number of years and who, himself, actually enabled those cushy deals to those folks that, these days per Barney, never should have received loans in the first place.

It’s the democrat insistence on entitlements over decades that has, especially, played a big role in our current, uh, severe economic difficulties. It the way they purchase loyalty from the public, creating dependencies. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank and all the players in Fannie & Freddie meltdowns (Barack received second most $ from Fannie Mae of any Senator) should be prosecuted, but the Democrat controlled Congress seems far more intent on something like prosecuting GWB in the next 2 months. Seriously.

George W. Bush also spent like a bandit.

The game is seriously rigged. The players, on both sides, are into backroom deals, pork and “earmarks” and lack any of the qualities of erudition, worldliness and high character of the individuals who tried with all their power to create a social and federal contract (The Constitution) that would endure the vagaries of the flaws of men.

As for “socialism”, especially since FDR, our government has been deeply enmeshed in “socialist” tendencies and tendencies to growth of bigger and bigger federal government. Those measures intended to be temporary/depression recovery more or less infused themselves into the entire federal government for the duration.

My entire life, from public education to medicine, I’ve watched everything the federal bureaucracy has infused itself into turn to sh!t, with bureaucratic nitpicking and rules and regulations that kill and compromise the endeavor, whatever the endeavor might be.

We’ve conditioned entire generations (like your own) to be comfortable with this mess and we’ve allowed the vision of our erudite and learned Founders who insisted on limited federal government and vast powers reserved to the individual states to be flushed down the drain.

In short, we were founded by noble men and are being administered, these days, by short sighted and self interested ignoble men (and women). Not all government critters fall into that category, I think Robert Gates is a prince and there are others, of course, General Petraeus is bright as hell and I hope someday he might toss his hat into a run for the job of President.

But, for the most part, I believe the federal government of the United States does a disservice to we the people.

Now The One™ wants to take the mess of overarching government to even new levels of all encompassing hugeness.

I accept, Curtis, that he has gained the office. I don’t believe he understands the office and will get quite an education over the next couple of months. I’ve read that O’s reading Abe Lincoln, not a bad guy to read.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:32 am 201. noelle:

A blog of sore losers who have nothing else to do except blame a man for what he hasn’t even done yet. He’s not even in office yet! Clearly most of you just cant accept that he’s been elected to office anyway. You can’t change how the majority has voted (over 300 electoral votes). It would be nice for all the haters to at least give the man a fair chance.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:47 am 202. tanstaafl:

vivo

Here at PJM and elsewhere I’ve encountered very few Obamatrons who can think well and and, even, spell well

Post November 4, I’ve encountered more than a few O’trons who seem like shallow, gloating doofi (that’s the plural of doofus)

I’ve been looking for cogent, intelligent argument in support of O, both from O himself and his legion of (starbuck’s drinking, kool aid drinking ?) acolytes.

Honestly, from the man himself nor from his supporters have I found much of substance.

In an Image driven America (thanks much, Hollow-wood) we have elected an Image as President of the United States.

An Image that has insulted this country (no one is a bigger critic of American so called culture than I am, but O and his wife’s brand of critiqe stung my soul), who did pal around around with his fund raiser of many years, the convicted felon Tony “the fixer” Rezko and, well, the way too much talked about Reverend GodDamn America and other Chicago associations.

I’m hoping he grows in and into the job and governs from “the center” as they say. I’m not holding my breath, however.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:57 am 203. tanstaafl:

critiqe

critique

Nov 15, 2008 - 8:01 am 204. Angela Johnson:

If we “Christians”, southern or otherwise, would focus on establishing peace and being tolerant and accepting of others’ differences, the issue of guns could become a non-issue. God bless you.

Nov 15, 2008 - 8:27 am 205. Sharon:

#194 “If we all can’t unite behind our own president, then this country IS more screweed than I thought it was.”

Where was all the “uniting” from the left for the past 8 years? I’ll unite about as much as you did, thankyouverymuch.

Nov 15, 2008 - 8:47 am 206. venividivici:

201. noelle:

A blog of sore losers who have nothing else to do except blame a man for what he hasn’t even done yet. He’s not even in office yet! Clearly most of you just cant accept that he’s been elected to office anyway. You can’t change how the majority has voted (over 300 electoral votes). It would be nice for all the haters to at least give the man a fair chance.

Nov 15, 2008 – 7:47 am

Noelle,

I will let you in on a little secret about government policies. When enacted, they have predicatable effects, like distorting markets, creating perverse incentives, stifling innovation, etc. Please listen to me carefully when I tell you that I don’t need for Obama to take office to predict how his plans will play out, which is to say, badly. Yes, even worse than what we have now. I don’t care if he got 500 electoral votes, that doesn’t change the iron laws of politics. Things that people say they want to do in the heat of a campaign are not what they end up doing once the rhetoric dies down. As plans get fleshed out, they are seen to be unworkable given the current constraints of human nature. These are just facts and Obama’s supporters either don’t understand them or don’t care because they will somehow benefit from this, at the expense of the rest of the country who isn’t as adept at gaming Obama’s systems.

Also, and I’m only picking on you because you’re my latest example, can we please drop the infantile use of the word “hate” in politics? While it isn’t too strong a word for how I feel about Obama’s stated policy preferences (I hate everything that pulls the human race downward toward servitude instead of propelling them upward toward freedom, I guess you could say), it’s clearly being used to shut down debate, which is just stupid beyond belief because debates (with realistic assumptions about human nature and politics) are exactly what are required. The left, with certain marginal exceptions, such as the work done on “lemons” markets and information assymetries, doesn’t have a leg to stand on within the realm of economics, yet, curiously, that is where they claim the most expertise. This information needs to be put in the hands of “swing voters” so that they understand that the left will decrease the amount of the material items swing voters enjoy.

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:02 am 207. Ian Thorpe:

Obama off to a bad start because he pissed of Europe, Russia, Israel?

Don’t you guys know these backwaters just have to fall into line and do as the says, he’s The President now, The President Of The World that is.

Obama certainly gives every impression that somewhere in the infinite vastness of his ego he truly believes he is President of the world

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:16 am 208. Arizona Senora:

El es muy fabuloso! BHO=cogito ergo sum

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:33 am 209. Militant-Infidel:

Re: nzuckerman (199) & noelle (201)

“Cut the guy some slack…” & “…give the man a fair chance”.

Do you children seriously not remember the 2000 & 2004 presidential elections? Now there was a prime example of unity and bipartisan support.

Newsflash, if you or the “O” can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. The adults here are still waiting for an informative discussion as to WHY we should support these policies. Calling names and belittling others does little to support your argument. But of course you already knew that, right, ha ha ha.

MI

Nov 15, 2008 - 12:03 pm 210. tanstaafl:

AZ Senora,

BHO=Vero Possumus…Si, se puede !

Y bienvenido a todos los inmigrantes ilegales de México !

Puedemos pagar todo en los Estados Unidos !

(no cognito mucho)

Nov 15, 2008 - 1:22 pm 211. Lynn:

Pelosi looked pretty grim a week ago. That “we’re going to govern from the center” thing seemed to have left a nasty taste the way she grimaced when she said it. It’s going to be a long four years.

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:29 pm 212. the observer:

lol, you guys are hilarious. Are these comments parodies of what the Right’s supporters would say. You know like in a Colbertesque kinda way. Because if not then you guys deserve to be on the losing end of this years election. Come to think of it even though your party won the last two terms you’re on the losing end of that too–but then again I it goes without saying that America in general suffered for you initial and re-election votes. Thanks RightWingNuts!!!!

Nov 15, 2008 - 2:46 pm 213. the observer:

and another thing (hint hint #203) this is a place for comments on a politically charged blog. No one is here to write a dissertation. People are emotionally charged and typing quickly and not really caring about errors. Only people who are desperate to score an insult and make themselves feel better point out a missing word here or a missed letter there. stick to the point of debate and lets not play grammar teacher–it makes you look like an idiot!!!

Nov 15, 2008 - 3:14 pm 214. RightwingHippyChick:

Obama will be America’s Tony Blair…

The good thing about it is that it will cure many on the left with a dose of cold reality, but the way there will be very bloody.

See the UK for details, and note that even this ‘horse cure’ has not helped the sheeple in the UK to wake up… just add enough ketchup and they’ll lap it up…!

Nov 15, 2008 - 5:34 pm 215. venividivici:

Hey 212,

Here’s a restatement of your post:

“I’m going to make a generic criticism and I’m not going to back it up with any evidence, other than the most obvious, which is that you lost the election. I’m then going to make a general statement about the state of the country, citing only the negative aspects of today’s realities and then blame it all on you. Then I’m going to sarcastically say thank you go you for bein’ who ya are.”

Does that about sum it up? If so, I guess I was right not to treat anything you say as substantive.

Nov 15, 2008 - 6:17 pm 216. JimmyShaker:

In response to # 208 and #210 above
Ah, mi estu pida poco ma’s de color marron.
Como facil ve elesta!

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:02 pm 217. Wahine:

#200 tanstaafl — “O’s reading Abe Lincoln, not a bad guy to read.”

Well, let’s hope he includes the quote posted above, #149 Christine’s, and considers seriously his wisdom. It certainly is a departure from the philosophies of his former teachers and mentors.

How I wish Lincoln had been the man he studied, and tried to emulate, over the last 20 years rather than Saul Alinsky. He’d have gotten my vote. Especially if we’d been introduced to him as an ‘honest’ man himself.

Obama’s deceived all of us at one point or another; any number of times. I’ve always thought he’s a man who doesn’t know who he is, and “borrows” identities from others he admires. Let’s hope we see a man grow up before our eyes, putting aside the ways of lesser men, and become a man who comports himself with integrity.

He only has a few months, but maybe he’ll learn, too, that our nation was founded in greatness and we mustn’t depart from its genius. I hope he puts aside the teachings of Alinsky, Ayers and Davis.

And finally, I hope he learns personally, and shares with the rest of us, that when men forgive the sins of others they move forward as healthy, productive human beings. We’re never truly free without forgiveness. I hope he puts aside the teachings of Wright and Pfleger.

I would love to see a new man emerge. There is always hope.

Nov 15, 2008 - 7:13 pm 218. vivo:

202. tanstaafl:

“vivo
Here at PJM and elsewhere I’ve encountered very few Obamatrons who can think well and and, even, spell well ”

Thank you for acknowledging that.

I never thought someone would call me an O’tron simply because I tell the truth. If you dig into my (brief) writings, you’ll find out how impartial I am. Maybe my problem is that I like to write many things with just a few words. I treat my wording as if I was doing brain surgery: swift and to the point. I guess many people don’t take the time to digest the real message.

Thanks again for paying attention.

Nov 15, 2008 - 10:49 pm 219. tanstaafl:

I like your spirit, Wahine.

May the force be with you

venividi…

I’d feel better about the (immediate) future of America if these O’trons did less catcalling and finger wagging and (since they’re bothering to drop by) could show more going on “upstairs”.

As it is…

Picture of a typical Obamatron

Nov 16, 2008 - 12:45 am 220. Nick Cooper:

This is what is really going on!!

Nov 16, 2008 - 3:52 am 221. susan:

“I never thought someone would call me an O’tron simply because I tell the truth. ”

ha ha ha, the truth, the obamatrons think they have rights on the truth.

“Maybe my problem is that I like to write many things with just a few words. I treat my wording as if I was doing brain surgery”

The typical brain surgery that you can perform is cut off a piece of valuable brain.

Children shouldn’t allowed to do such things.

Nov 16, 2008 - 8:39 am 222. Maria:

I’m an Republican, living in Ireland right now and very glad of it. But you wanna hear something funny? After the initial political mutual orgasm passed, the Irish are starting to realize the Dem’s aren’t always their friend. I spoke to a couple neighbors who said they are actually afraid of what he might do, in light of the financial crisis. Never thought I’d see the day.

But hey, noone’s as Irish as Barack Obama! They had this song out the very first day after the election. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xkw8ip43Vk

Nov 17, 2008 - 3:33 am 223. Will:

I truly think America will wake up about Obama when they see they arent getting the handout they were promised. They will then see they were taken for. As it stands right now he is already sticking it in there heads this recovery will take a long time. And the 1st 2 years no much effect will be seen.

What he is doing and (unknowingly to them) putting in their heads now that he will need a 2nd term. He is doing this before he ever gets in office…..The MSM is no friend of America at all.

Nov 17, 2008 - 5:52 am 224. momof3:

How about a willful stupidity tax on people that voted him in?

I noticed that immediate assumption of a second term too. I don’t think anyone’s blinders are going to stay on the whole 4 years though. God, I hope not. I’ll be moving to Ireland, if they pull another relect-the-idiot fiasco here.

I’m not sure where many of you come from, based on your prevalent use of text-message shorthand, I”m guessing an assignment from a high school civics class? Why don’t you let those of us who actually can vote, and understand why, have a discussion and go back to doing your homework.

Nov 17, 2008 - 10:57 am 225. nlcatter:

Obama is off to a very good start, world leaders want to talk to him over the moronic bush.

Nov 17, 2008 - 12:09 pm 226. Dianne:

I guess you people live outside the US because where I live, paying to own a car has always been the case. People, grow up and do something productive with your time instead of complaining. Is all of this about sour grapes or are you so hateful that you cannot sleep at night because Obama is president? Do any of you have children or grandchildren? I pray for their sake that you do not have influence over their outlook on life. Are you forgetting who your current President is? I was paying over $4 a gallon for gasoline just a month ago, which is now $1.54. How much are you paying?

Nov 17, 2008 - 3:08 pm 227. Arizona Senora:

Callete!
Stop yer whining!

Nov 18, 2008 - 6:03 pm 228. Marcus Gronholm:

All of you are sour losers…its amazing how you people(Repubs) can have the audacity to critisize anybody on his/her choice of President. After all you guys gave us George W Bush for 8, long, hard, and disasterous years, did you expect McCain to win? People did not have to know what they were voting for, it was a vote against GWB and the corrupt Republican party that has left us 2 complicated wars and a busted out economy. I know y’all are going to blame the democrats for everything like you always do..but the last time I checked the buck stops at the oval office. Your man was asleep at the wheel for 8 years…Barack Obama became president because of George Bush. Stop blaming the media, “ignorant American VOTERS”, and accept the fact that your party was to blame. And then after all said and done…you try and give us Sarah Palin…a dumb blond from ST Elsewhere…and you dare critize 66million Americans for making a very very smart choice at rejecting another four years of our Pirate in chief. If you don’t like what you see move to another country we don’t need you here…wait until the fairness doctrine checks in..we’ll see whether you’ll ever give us another George Bush.

Nov 19, 2008 - 3:26 am 229. Steynian 286 « Free Canuckistan!:

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