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	<title>Comments on: Of Course There&#8217;s Astroturfing by the GOP</title>
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		<title>By: paul_unalaska</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/of-course-theres-astroturfing-by-the-gop/comment-page-2/#comment-375477</link>
		<dc:creator>paul_unalaska</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 03:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic, my family went to Mt. Vernon recently.

Our first stop was a 5-10 minute presentation at George &amp; Martha Washington&#039;s resting place on the grounds.

Before the guide went into her program, she asked a young man if he&#039;d care to come to the front and lead us in the pledge.

There were folks of many nationalities, ages who&#039;d had their hand over heart and recited with the young man.

It may have been a small moment, but a moment I&#039;m proud to have witnessed and been part of.

Moreso by the many people, from all walks of life, political and social classes help in squashing this Government &#039;reform&#039; bill.  The key now is to not let up or fall for &#039;Lucy setting the football &#039;this time&#039; for Charlie Brown to kick it&#039;

&#039;Ol George said, &#039;The power under the Constitution will always be in the people.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, my family went to Mt. Vernon recently.</p>
<p>Our first stop was a 5-10 minute presentation at George &amp; Martha Washington&#8217;s resting place on the grounds.</p>
<p>Before the guide went into her program, she asked a young man if he&#8217;d care to come to the front and lead us in the pledge.</p>
<p>There were folks of many nationalities, ages who&#8217;d had their hand over heart and recited with the young man.</p>
<p>It may have been a small moment, but a moment I&#8217;m proud to have witnessed and been part of.</p>
<p>Moreso by the many people, from all walks of life, political and social classes help in squashing this Government &#8216;reform&#8217; bill.  The key now is to not let up or fall for &#8216;Lucy setting the football &#8216;this time&#8217; for Charlie Brown to kick it&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;Ol George said, &#8216;The power under the Constitution will always be in the people.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: AstroTurfing: What It Is and What It Isn&#8217;t.</title>
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		<dc:creator>AstroTurfing: What It Is and What It Isn&#8217;t.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is different from what has been happening at town hall meetings, no matter what Jazz Shaw says. What seems to confuse people is the presence of money and top-down organization. But neither of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is different from what has been happening at town hall meetings, no matter what Jazz Shaw says. What seems to confuse people is the presence of money and top-down organization. But neither of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Class  Clown</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/of-course-theres-astroturfing-by-the-gop/comment-page-2/#comment-374571</link>
		<dc:creator>Class  Clown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 08:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In current Democrat parlance, conservative &quot;astroturfing&quot; means conservatives &quot;getting organized&quot;. The only thing they would accept as being a conservative &quot;grassroots&quot; effort would be something so fragmented and disorganized so as to be ineffectual. 

We are a democracy. An individual can only accomplish anything in a democracy by banding together with others. 

Next thing you know, the Democratic Party is going to move to strike freedom of assembly from the Bill of Rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In current Democrat parlance, conservative &#8220;astroturfing&#8221; means conservatives &#8220;getting organized&#8221;. The only thing they would accept as being a conservative &#8220;grassroots&#8221; effort would be something so fragmented and disorganized so as to be ineffectual. </p>
<p>We are a democracy. An individual can only accomplish anything in a democracy by banding together with others. </p>
<p>Next thing you know, the Democratic Party is going to move to strike freedom of assembly from the Bill of Rights.</p>
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		<title>By: steveg</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the GOP is astroturfing, the Dems are afro-sheening.  

Anyone else see the bus being unloaded at a PA town hall meeting yesterday with ACORN and SEIU members?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the GOP is astroturfing, the Dems are afro-sheening.  </p>
<p>Anyone else see the bus being unloaded at a PA town hall meeting yesterday with ACORN and SEIU members?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been to a number of tea parties and protests and I know some of the organizers, including my registered Democrat wife. The GOP has had little to with the organization of the rallies. Some GOP operatives have tried to take credit for Tea Party events and they&#039;ve been resented for doing so. Some GOP state senators and office seekers have been invited to speak at the rallies. Typically, they have been people like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.state.oh.us/senators/bios/sd_18.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim Grendell&lt;/a&gt;, a fiscal hawk unpopular with his own party for not playing along with the pay-to-play style of politics, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://tomganley.com/index.cfm?p=Issues&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tom Ganley&lt;/a&gt;, a businessman who hates Washington with a passion. people going to these rallys and townhall meetings are going purely of their own accord. They have been influenced by the tea party movement itself, and by Glenn Beck&#039;s 9-12 groups. These groups are all networked together and in constant communication via email, meetup web sites, social networks and tea party web-sites. 

The GOP would love to rally their base as well as the amateurs, but they couldn&#039;t organize their way out of a paper-bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been to a number of tea parties and protests and I know some of the organizers, including my registered Democrat wife. The GOP has had little to with the organization of the rallies. Some GOP operatives have tried to take credit for Tea Party events and they&#8217;ve been resented for doing so. Some GOP state senators and office seekers have been invited to speak at the rallies. Typically, they have been people like <a href="http://www.senate.state.oh.us/senators/bios/sd_18.html" rel="nofollow">Tim Grendell</a>, a fiscal hawk unpopular with his own party for not playing along with the pay-to-play style of politics, and <a href="http://tomganley.com/index.cfm?p=Issues" rel="nofollow">Tom Ganley</a>, a businessman who hates Washington with a passion. people going to these rallys and townhall meetings are going purely of their own accord. They have been influenced by the tea party movement itself, and by Glenn Beck&#8217;s 9-12 groups. These groups are all networked together and in constant communication via email, meetup web sites, social networks and tea party web-sites. </p>
<p>The GOP would love to rally their base as well as the amateurs, but they couldn&#8217;t organize their way out of a paper-bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Committed moderate&quot; is an oxymoron.  (Same goes for &quot;honest liberal&quot;.)  Moderate Republicans are those who are easily swayed by the superficial memes proferred by the other side, or by the lure of acceptance into the &quot;in&quot; crowd.  Progressives are the cool kids.  Gods, but will people EVER grow up?

  Here&#039;s a new meme.  We shouldn&#039;t shout at these townhall meetings.  We should be respectful.  BS!  Show you&#039;re angry.  Make the Congresscritters fear for their jobs.  It&#039;s the ONLY thing they understand.  There&#039;s really no point in debating the details, because they don&#039;t know the details.  If it&#039;s all nice and civil, they&#039;ll go back to Never-Never-Land thinking they&#039;d done their jobs and all went well.  The people weren&#039;t upset, so they must be behind this bill.

  Not all meetings are angry ones.  Those hosted by opponents of the bill go smoothly.  These Congresscritters are having a great time, because people are turning out in droves supporting their resistance.  They couldn&#039;t ask for a better re-election campaign event.  Their re-election is in the bag, and they know it.

  Oppose this stinking bill!  Do it loudly!  Be angry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Committed moderate&#8221; is an oxymoron.  (Same goes for &#8220;honest liberal&#8221;.)  Moderate Republicans are those who are easily swayed by the superficial memes proferred by the other side, or by the lure of acceptance into the &#8220;in&#8221; crowd.  Progressives are the cool kids.  Gods, but will people EVER grow up?</p>
<p>  Here&#8217;s a new meme.  We shouldn&#8217;t shout at these townhall meetings.  We should be respectful.  BS!  Show you&#8217;re angry.  Make the Congresscritters fear for their jobs.  It&#8217;s the ONLY thing they understand.  There&#8217;s really no point in debating the details, because they don&#8217;t know the details.  If it&#8217;s all nice and civil, they&#8217;ll go back to Never-Never-Land thinking they&#8217;d done their jobs and all went well.  The people weren&#8217;t upset, so they must be behind this bill.</p>
<p>  Not all meetings are angry ones.  Those hosted by opponents of the bill go smoothly.  These Congresscritters are having a great time, because people are turning out in droves supporting their resistance.  They couldn&#8217;t ask for a better re-election campaign event.  Their re-election is in the bag, and they know it.</p>
<p>  Oppose this stinking bill!  Do it loudly!  Be angry!</p>
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		<title>By: Tina Trent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina Trent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yehudit: Tampa.  

In the past, I personally witnessed it, more than once, in DeKalb County, Georgia, at the behest of Ms. McKinney, so perhaps I just know it when I see it.  But for those who haven&#039;t had the pleasure of being on the receiving end of sweaty for-hire pseudo-laborers, lifting-belts straining over their pot bellies, the guys in Tampa were also wearing shirts identifying themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yehudit: Tampa.  </p>
<p>In the past, I personally witnessed it, more than once, in DeKalb County, Georgia, at the behest of Ms. McKinney, so perhaps I just know it when I see it.  But for those who haven&#8217;t had the pleasure of being on the receiving end of sweaty for-hire pseudo-laborers, lifting-belts straining over their pot bellies, the guys in Tampa were also wearing shirts identifying themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Middleman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Middleman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steveg,
Who says I&#039;m white?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steveg,<br />
Who says I&#8217;m white?</p>
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		<title>By: kasper</title>
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		<dc:creator>kasper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can always tell which way the same PM writers go, by their first 2 lines.

I&#039;ve only been to two &#039;tea party&#039; events.  The first one I went alone and knew nobody to go with. Spent the morning making my own signs to hold.

It was clear at both events, there were people just like me coming by themselves or with another family member. Finding their own way. Most small groups of people were neighbors or a group hastily put together to make sure those interested can get an event.

Most people are not part of any organization, but at this point are connecting to stay active and informed. They are sharing information.

Shaw knows the difference between the left&#039;s BS and what is happening at town halls everywhere. He is being purposefully contrary because he is a typical elitist pr--k with nothing useful to contribute, just an opportunity to poke and jab. The article is crap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can always tell which way the same PM writers go, by their first 2 lines.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve only been to two &#8216;tea party&#8217; events.  The first one I went alone and knew nobody to go with. Spent the morning making my own signs to hold.</p>
<p>It was clear at both events, there were people just like me coming by themselves or with another family member. Finding their own way. Most small groups of people were neighbors or a group hastily put together to make sure those interested can get an event.</p>
<p>Most people are not part of any organization, but at this point are connecting to stay active and informed. They are sharing information.</p>
<p>Shaw knows the difference between the left&#8217;s BS and what is happening at town halls everywhere. He is being purposefully contrary because he is a typical elitist pr&#8211;k with nothing useful to contribute, just an opportunity to poke and jab. The article is crap.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Wallis</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/of-course-theres-astroturfing-by-the-gop/comment-page-2/#comment-373792</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed Wallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, &lt;B&gt;this&lt;/B&gt; is &quot;astroturfing&quot;, Shaw:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/my-ofa-organizing-for-astroturfing-adventure/

What a puppet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, <b>this</b> is &#8220;astroturfing&#8221;, Shaw:</p>
<p><a href="http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/my-ofa-organizing-for-astroturfing-adventure/" rel="nofollow">http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/my-ofa-organizing-for-astroturfing-adventure/</a></p>
<p>What a puppet.</p>
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