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1. syn:

Tragic how the under-thirty crowd slobbers all over their leader who is insuring the under-thirty crowd will be on bended knees enslaved for the rest of their lives paying for their serfdom, and they don’t even realize they enslaved themselves.

Hey Youth Group…you just handed control of your own destiny over to the Slave masters; for the remainder of your lives you will be slaves.

Tell us Youth Group, who will free you from your self-imposed serfdom?

Apr 7, 2009 - 3:47 am 2. elvis:

Everything is a right and should be free. All value and good has been sucked out of art and music,computers, education, mortgages,our country …….. and freedom.

Apr 7, 2009 - 5:00 am 3. Fragmentarian:

Not just free. We want no strings, like responsibility, attached.

Apr 7, 2009 - 5:33 am 4. Princess:

lol

Who knew that it would take someone like BHO to un-unite our country after 200+ years. Our forefathers knew this was a great plan… and then the democrats decide to go crazy. I think in the next 20 years if all of this continues, we will no longer be USA

Apr 7, 2009 - 5:38 am 5. Sk8 Punk:

I disagree. I think you make a corollary comparison, rather than a causal one. I teach technology and am designing a grad course on Open Source Software right now, which has deep philosophical connections to the “free music” movement. I understand your connection, but I don’t think you are deep enough in the culture to understand. Yes, western youth culture is more entitled that any culture before it. Moreover, they do augment that entitlement with an amazing lack of appreciation due to their historical ignorance. But the free music, open source push has deep connections to capitalism and free market thinking. I follow about a dozen tech blogs every day, and while most of these young techies are Obama voters, they consistently make conservative, free market arguments against regulation and control. We on the right should be using this knee jerk liberty versus regulation attitude of the youth to awaken them to the fact that our ideology is superior to the one the have been taught. They only vote for Obama because the Left has managed to dominate every cultural center of power from education to media for the past 20 years- and still maintain the absurdity that the Left is somehow anti-establishment! When my students see this bait and switch, they get really cynical and begin questioning the real authorities. I believe this is true for European youth too, who are desperate for new ideas and ways of thinking. Yes, they are entitled, yes they are pretty whiny, but we need to think more carefully about why they act that way: because the Left has made them such. If the Right positions itself as the new “Punk” fighting against the establishment we can make huge inroads into youth culture. Let’s position ourselves as the Rebel Scum fighting the Empire, because that’s what we are. Don’t get mad at them, get mad at the Establishment. http://rebelsk8.blogspot.com/

Apr 7, 2009 - 5:45 am 6. Peter Verkooijen:

@Sk8 Punk, the original punks, John Lydon in particular, were basically do-it-yourself libertarians. Britain was a socialist mess in the mid-1970s. That was their target.

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:02 am 7. David S:

Bill,

You yourself are contributing to the “free stuff” mentality. Next time, make me pay for your article….

Peace.

DS

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:24 am 8. CJ:

I know what you are trying to say, SK8 Punk – I teach in a technical field and use open source textbooks – but you are missing the point. The authors of those open source works CHOSE to make their work available for free, a philosophical choice. While many musicians choose to give their music away as well, some can’t afford to, or simply don’t wish to (their choice!), so when people take their music anyway it is THEFT.

What the author is discussing is the case of artists and producers who DO NOT choose to give their art way, but have it taken from them anyway, and the greater culture that doesn’t consider this stealing but simply exercising a right to take. It is that cultural shift, where a consumer doesn’t think the artist should be paid for his or her work, even though the artist does something the consumer can’t. Of course if you call the consumer on this, he will deny it and claim that of course the artist should be paid, and is, just not by him. And if this unknown third party stops providing this ‘free’ stuff, many consumers would complain and have no problem with someone (the government) forcing the other parties to provide ‘free’ stuff.

That is the deeply ingrained assumption we are dealing with, that there is nothing wrong with taking from people who have what you want, no matter how they feel about it, as long as you have an intermediary to steal for you so you can stay in denial.

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:38 am 9. jerryofva:

The free stuff generation is a product of an extended adolescence that now extends well into one’s 30’s. To most adolescents everything is free stuff. Modern Western adolescence embodies the welfare culture whether the source of the funds in the government or just mommy and daddy.

Adolescence won’t end until the child takes on family responsibilities. Unfortunately fewer children are taking this step. However, extended adolescence will have to come to end some day. To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, A culture based on free stuff works until you run out of other people’s money to spend.

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:40 am 10. JD:

Unfortunately, Europeans have long been accustomed to voting for a party in return for increased state handouts.

America, until now, had stood apart from this.

Some people will always want something for nothing, and the Democrats will do nothing but indulge them more and more generously:

http://trackacrat.com/2009/03/27/250-for-your-vote/

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:44 am 11. Pastor of Muppets:

Music artists make most of their revenue from touring. They typically make little to nothing from album sales anyway. The labels make the vast majority of the money from the albums sales.

I feel absolutely no guilt over downloading a mediocre studio album for free when a)the money from album sales is going to executives who had little to nothing to do with creating the music and b)I’m going to shell out about $100 dollars to see the band on tour anyway.

It’s interesting that when bankers manipulate the stock market to bilk working families out of their savings, that’s just a consequence of the free market.

But when “the Obama generation” manipulates technology in a way that results in rich executives at Sony Music losing money on music that they didn’t even create, suddenly its a crime.

Sounds like right-wing hypocrisy to me.

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:54 am 12. Delia:

My daughter is going to be twenty-two this year…she can’t stand 0bama and what he stands for.

Home schooling works.

I don’t need any ‘help’ or ‘hand-outs’ from the gov. Let me keep the money my husband and I work hard for and leave us and our assets the frick alone. Now THAT would be a change I could believe in!

Apr 7, 2009 - 7:09 am 13. jerryofva:

I see the new astroturfer has shown up here as well. I can see by his interests that he is no more then 20 and a fine example of the kind of extended adolescent that I refered to in my more serious post above.

Apr 7, 2009 - 7:21 am 14. The Historian:

OBAMA IS A POLL DRIVEN FOLLOWER:
LEADING BY POLL IS NOT LEADERSHIP
Great Presidents are often not popular while in office.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/lincoln-did-not-lead-by-polling.html

Apr 7, 2009 - 7:54 am 15. Pastor of Muppets:

Delia: “My daughter is going to be twenty-two this year…she can’t stand 0bama and what he stands for.

Home schooling works”.

Yeah, I agree that if you limit your child’s access to knowledge to only those materials that you find suitable, obviously the end result is going to be that your kid believes exactly what you want them to believe. Stalin can attest to that.

Apr 7, 2009 - 8:50 am 16. elvis:

pastor of muppets..

your ignorance becomes you….

Most home schooled children are smarter, perform at higher levels, and are more educated then slaves to the government schools;which actually do push the tactics of Stalin in the classroom.

Apr 7, 2009 - 9:07 am 17. elvis:

Pastor of Muppets

Your ignorance becomes you.

“Music artists make most of their revenue from touring. They typically make little to nothing from album sales anyway. The labels make the vast majority of the money from the albums sales.”

You have no idea what you are talking about.
First of all most “artists” go in to debt on the road.
Even big ones.
However, most of us aren’t even big ones with investments by Pepsi.
Everyone isn’t one of the top pop or rock acts pushed by the media machine.

As far as selling product, most independent artists need these sales to even make playing in front of people worthwhile.

It is very true that the “music should be free” attitude is hurting most of us that are in this field.

Apr 7, 2009 - 9:18 am 18. jerryofva:

Folks, let leave the Pastor to his adolescent ravings. He will then disapear as quickly as he came upon us.

Apr 7, 2009 - 9:20 am 19. Bret:

There is (potentially) a distinction between tangible and intangible free stuff. I think that the youth has an inkling of this distinction and that can be used to bolster capitalism for tangible goods and services.

Apr 7, 2009 - 9:30 am 20. G Alston:

#19 — There is (potentially) a distinction between tangible and intangible free stuff.

Bingo. Most of that which is free is worth what you pay for it. In my industry there are places where you can get within shouting distance of a correct answer for free on the web, providing that what you want is trivial, but if you want to get the absolutely right answer you can take to the bank and/or are working with something other than trivial, you will not waste your time. It’s the same way with most everything, really. About the only “free” stuff that exists that’s both a success and non-trivial would be open source copies of that which is already ubiquitous (e.g. word processing) and even this will depend on your definition of trivial. A lot of people still use WinWord because they’re using features that are otherwise not quite there in the open source world; on the other hand there’s no reason a 7th grader writing a book report needs much beyond the open source copy…

Apr 7, 2009 - 10:11 am 21. MontezumaPilgrim:

Silly article, with the losing side trashing the judgment of the voters–just like the Democratic party does when someone like Ronald Reagan wins. Yes there are dumb voters, just as 6% of the US population thought we shouldn’t declare war on Japan after Pearl Harbor and an ungodly percentage believes that AIDS was cooked up by the CIA to oppress minorities.

But the “dumb voters” elected republicans year in and out: this year, though, the economy was falling apart under George W. Congres still smelled of the GOP stench from lobbyist money flowing in like water (I voted for Bush so ut down that “he’s an Obama troll” impulse). And there was no one–no one–to stand up and endorse real values (not spending more than you make, for example) that was credible. McCain? Please. He is an honorable man without the slightest understanding of what makes the US special–he has no ideological anchor–I bet he’s never read the federalist papers or even a good hsitory book.

The dumb voters didn’t fail “us. We failed ourselves. We allowed unprincipled republicans to tarnish republican principles. We allowed misrule to endanger the banks, everyone’s 401K and terrified the “dumb” voters who reacted just as any group of terrified people react. Like Wiemar voters, Roman senators faced with the consequences of years of misrule and California voters who thought watching their legislature was someone else’s problem.

Apr 7, 2009 - 11:03 am 22. Delia:

Muppeteer,

My daughter has a mind of her own and is one smart cookie. She’s not ‘lockstep’ with Ma & Pa…she makes her own life decisions [which sometimes we butt heads on] but, we respect her and we are glad she can think for herself.

Home schooling is not brain-washing like the Libtard infested public schools.

Knowledge should be a constant. I’m always learning new things and improving my skills in everything I do each day. Learning should never halt suddenly but continue each and every day. Thanks for ASSuming things about me you have no clue about though.

Apr 7, 2009 - 11:17 am 23. Peter the Bubblehead:

4. Princess wrote:
I think in the next 20 years if all of this continues, we will no longer be USA

Peter writes: 20 years?!? I think you’re being optimistic, Princess. I think we’ll be lucky to remain the USA for the next 4 to 8 years!

Apr 7, 2009 - 11:41 am 24. JUST A NORMAL GUY:

WELL IT JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT THE RED KALIFORNIA LEFTIST CONSPIRACY IS IN DEED FAR REACHING, BECASUE LOOK AT THE I-POD FOR EXAMPLE. WHO INVENTED THE I-POD? WELL IT WAS LIMOUSINE LIBERALS FROM KALIFORNIA, SUCH AS STEVE JOB AND MARVIN WOZNIACK.

AND NOW WHAT DO THE LIBS USE TO PROPAGATE THEY’RE THEFT OF DECENT MUSICIAN’S LIVELYHOOD, WELL THE VERY SAME I-POD INVENTED BY THEY’RE COMMIE IDOLS JOB AND WOZNIACK.

I EVEN HEARD THAT APPLE COMPUTER IS TRYING TO HELP FIDEL CASTRO TURN HIS OLD VYNIL LP’S INTO MP3S LOL!!!

Apr 7, 2009 - 12:53 pm 25. Sonja:

Unfortunately, “stuff for free” begins at the top; CEOs want all the profits but no expenses. ‘Responsibility’ has become a dirty word in business.

Apr 7, 2009 - 12:56 pm 26. Sunglasses on a cloudy day:

#7 David S.

Ponder the utter stupidity of your post for a moment,
preferably in front of a mirror,
when you understand why it is utterly stupid,
come back and share the answer with us.

Apr 7, 2009 - 1:05 pm 27. XC:

Another old geezer unable to understand the new technological paradigms, and therefore, automatically, (in an almost religious reaction) blaming them.

Capitalism only applies to scarcity based realities. Digitally stored Information clearly doesn’t work that way apart from the storage medium itself.

Apr 7, 2009 - 3:10 pm 28. Sebastian Shaw:

“Free” things from the government is never free; it is usually paid in our taxes at a substandard result.

Apr 7, 2009 - 4:05 pm 29. one of my own:

Prayers are free. What more do you want?

Apr 7, 2009 - 4:53 pm 30. one of my own:

Delia says . . . I don’t need any ‘help’ or ‘hand-outs’ from the gov. Let me keep the money my husband and I work hard for and leave us and our assets the frick alone. Now THAT would be a change I could believe in!

Who’s gonna pay the police and the firefighters? Who’s gonna pay the military? Who’s gonna fix the potholes. Who’s gonna pick up that dead raccoon in front of your trailer? Who’s gonna gas up the space shuttle?

Let me guess, you’re OK with SOME taxes, but you only want to pay for the things YOU want and not what somebody else wants. If that’s the case, you can pick up the $1 trillion tab we racked up in Iraq so far.

Great, glad we settled that.

Apr 7, 2009 - 4:58 pm 31. JUST A NORMAL GUY:

WELL HERE COMES “ONE OF OUR OWN” JUST ASSUMING THAT BECASUE DELIA IS’NT A BLEEDING-HARD LIBERAL SHE LIVES IN A TRAILOR, WELL “ONE OF OUR OWN” THEY ALL WAYS SAY “WHEN YOU ASSUME YOU MAKE AN A** OUT OF U AND ME” WELL IN THIS CASE YOU JUST MAKE AN A** OUT OF U, BUT NOT ME.

WELL “ONE OF OUR OWN” A COMMENT LIKE YOU’RES JUST GOES TO SHOW THAT ALL YOU LIB’S ARE SO ELITIST AND THINK THAT POLITICAL MODERATES LIKE US LIVE IN TRAILOR’S, WELL YOU BETTER THINK TWICE ABOTU IT!

Apr 7, 2009 - 5:34 pm 32. AtheistConservative:

“Silly article, with the losing side trashing the judgment of the voters”

Ah, relativism – I smell a liberal.

In some decisions it is quite reasonable to assume that the factors used were not rational. This is particularly the case with Obama, who fell below every standard required for the job. Which means that the people voting for him were doing so for irrational reasons. Sorry, it’s just true.

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:26 pm 33. AtheistConservative:

“Let me guess, you’re OK with SOME taxes, but you only want to pay for the things YOU want and not what somebody else wants”

Yes, many of us took civics in high school too.

Your argument is about as logical as the ‘well we have some socialist arrangements so why not full-blown socialism’ nonsense people spew when defending Obama.

We are for rational taxes. We are not for irrational taxes. That is the entire concept of rationality. And you can’t use something we already bought (Iraq – with the full compliance of the Democrats) to justify spending 9 times that amount on shit we don’t need.

Apr 7, 2009 - 6:33 pm 34. Jones:

For many years, we have been debating the quality of education in America, and whether or not curricula were being ‘dumbed down’ because it’s not fair for some kids to fail.

We dumbed down. People want their diplomas ‘for free’.

And Obama is the kind of person dumb people elect as President.

We’re doomed.

That anti-social retard with orange dreadlocks and 14 face piercings riding his skateboard thru the gas station parking lot during school hours? His generation will be running the country in 30 years. What kind of place do you think America will be like then?

Apr 7, 2009 - 7:17 pm 35. Mike2:

26. Sunglasses on a cloudy day:

Did you ever think that David S’s post was either satire or sarcasm??
——————————-
Who is John Galt?

Apr 7, 2009 - 7:19 pm 36. The Shadow:

Obviously you have spent no time with the young people who volunteer to help the poor. Too busy making up stuff like this.

Apr 7, 2009 - 8:21 pm 37. Northstar:

As a person who follows several conservative sites but seldom adds anything, I’ve am becoming more frustrated as time goes on. I understand we all need to vent our anger to stay sane, but will someone start coming up with constructive ways of getting the “Oboma generation” to realize what they are doing. This 53% are basically from two different backgrounds. 1. Rich kids who have always gotten “free stuff” from their families and 2. People who have gotten “free stuff” from the rest of us taxpayers.

How do you “get to” a group that 1. Never follows the news 2. Doesn’t understand world geography (dumbed down schooling) 3. Doesn’t have clue about how religious conflicts shape the world. 4. Can’t balance their own checkbook 5. Spend their time playing games, or watching professional wrestling and Jerry Springer.

Help with some ideas.

Apr 7, 2009 - 9:56 pm 38. montezumapilgrim:

#32:”Relativism?” What has that got to do with it?

Obama was indeed unprepared and horrifically inexperienced. But blaming the voters for picking him instead of the snoozing. “me too” time-server offered up by the GOP isn’t fair. The voters that made the difference in 2008 were the same ones that voted bush into office a second time in 2004.

But this time the wheels had come off the wagon and voters wanted someone a bit more engaged with the country and not Iraq. McCain was not able to explain what differences existed between him and Obama. He literally had no idea why he was running, unless “Maverick” is a coded message for a set of principled positions.

Had Bush and the GOP stayed true to basic principles, mCcain would have won in a heartbeat. Don’t succumb to the temptation to blame the voters for rejecting the burned liver and onions offered up in 2008.

Apr 7, 2009 - 11:02 pm 39. one of my own:

31. JUST A NORMAL GUY: . .. WELL HERE COMES “ONE OF OUR OWN” JUST ASSUMING THAT BECASUE DELIA IS’NT A BLEEDING-HARD LIBERAL SHE LIVES IN A TRAILOR

What’s wrong with living in a trailer? I live in a trailer and I like it.

Apr 7, 2009 - 11:11 pm 40. JUST A NORMAL GUY:

WELL “ONE OF OUR OWN” I SERIOUSELY DOUBT THAT YOU LIVE IN A TRAILOR MORE LIKE YOU LIVE IN A DORMATORY ON THE NYU CAMPUS, TYPICAL NYC LIB ATTITUDE.

Apr 8, 2009 - 8:48 am 41. Blackwell:

“Just a normal Guy”–Don’t let “One of My Own” get to you: he’s very bright but not grounded: he equates the neutral public benefits of police, hospitals, postal service, military protection and fire deartments with the hand outs given to people who persistently refuse to work.

But even he knows that makes no sense. What gets him going is a perceived mean spiritedness which isn’t that at all: its common sense among people who pay taxes and have seen decades of generous programs to “help the poor” fail miserably because they support an indolent life style instead of motivating them to work. When he sees it too, he’ll switch over. Be nice to him: one day he’ll write a book, get some high paying job and be bushwacked by taxes wasted on people who feel it is their right not to work. He’ll become a very articulate supporter of much that he teases everyone about for now.

Apr 8, 2009 - 10:41 am 42. Delia:

One of my own,

You live in a van down by the river? Well, who knew?! Good ganja? lol

Being taxed to the HILT is criminal as is being taxed on ‘income’ at all by our Constitution. We also pay property taxes up the ying-yang for services we have never needed to use [school being the BIG one] but having a competent police/fire dept. is something I’m definitely fine about paying for.

Gee, maybe we should move into a trailer too and stop being uber productive citizens.

I’m almost sold.

Almost.

Apr 8, 2009 - 2:21 pm 43. Blackwell:

Hey Delia, school is one of those common expenses that benefits everyone: despite the large number of unionized parasites that cling to the system (a different issue), schools educate a workforce needed so we have educated people as cops, nurses, lawyers, voters, machinists, soldiers, musicians, etc. Everyone benefits from that. You too. (How from musicians you may ask? Well, sale of American music abroad that is one of the few sources of sales left to hold down the balance of payments. How from lawyers? Aside from the social benefit, they bring in fees from clients outside the US–one of the few jobs not completely outsourced). Everybody benefits from schools. They could be run a lot better, but again, a different issue.

Lets face it though: with income, cell phone, car, sales, gas, etc taxes, and public money flowing out to all manner of panhandlers, professors like Ward Churchill, 6 men union crews to do 2 men jobs and more, we’re all begining to feel like productive workers on a collective farm….

Apr 8, 2009 - 5:13 pm 44. Delia:

“we’re all begining to feel like productive workers on a collective farm…”

True, true, Blackwell.

I also agree that public school is better than “nothing at all” with regards to education but it’s pretty darned liberal slanted and teacher’s unions are a joke. My particular city in WA state pays some of the highest wages to teachers and they have gone on ’strike’ for even higher compensation. -It’s beyond the pale.

You know what would be idyllic? For parents to take a more proactive role in their children’s education rather than using the public schools system as a free baby sitter whilst they keep popping out offspring. Being a noncommittal ‘parent’ is becoming far too easy in our country [sadly enough].

Apr 8, 2009 - 6:30 pm 45. one of my own:

42. Delia: . . . “One of my own, You live in a van down by the river? Well, who knew?! Good ganja? lol . . . Being taxed to the HILT is criminal as is being taxed on ‘income’ at all by our Constitution. ”

Van down by the river . . . LMAO . . . where do you come up with that stuff? You’re incredible. Literally. Now about those taxes. I’ve heard the canard about “no Constitutional duty to pay income taxes” for years. You know how many people have won that argument in court? Zero. But don’t let that stop you. Give it a try. In fact, maybe you just did.

*wink, nudge, forward cybercapture tax evasion IP*

Luv ya! Start gathering those receipts.

Apr 8, 2009 - 8:31 pm 46. Delia:

45. one of my own,

“Incredible”? Moi? You have watched a few SNL skits right? Hmmmm? *wink-nudge*

Tax? Hubtard and I leave that to our PAID tax accountant. Surely he can’t be any worse than Geitner! He’s even a Lefty! *gaspI

Apr 8, 2009 - 11:25 pm 47. Ryan S:

7. David S:

Trying to include online opinion pieces as one of the commodities in his argument is pretty useless. This is the internet, man.

Piece

Apr 9, 2009 - 7:39 am 48. Ryan S:

30. one of my own:

Who’s gonna pay the police and the firefighters? Who’s gonna pay the military? Who’s gonna fix the potholes. Who’s gonna pick up that dead raccoon in front of your trailer? Who’s gonna gas up the space shuttle?

You think Delia considers THOSE handouts?

Are you really trying to understand Delia’s arguments?

Apr 9, 2009 - 7:44 am 49. Cheeky Wombat:

30. one of my own
Even if Delia does live in a trailer it sounds like she works and PAID for it. You know, as in EARNED it. Taxes for services like police, fire, libraries, roads- yes we believe in these taxes and are proud that we work and contribute to society. Work and contribute being the key points here. Fiscally responsible citizens are fed up with the “gimme entitlement bunch of thieves”

Apr 9, 2009 - 9:20 am 50. Dr. Mark:

Master of Puppets…Homeschooling has undoubtedly produced some the finest scholars and citizens about, reserch their average standardized testing scores. Your solution is to entrust a child’s upbringing and education to public schools? They are nothing but leftist training grounds with teachers (whom were unable to secure REAL degrees)that present themselves as “entitled” (at least the unionized ones)as their students.

WAY TO GO DELIA!!! You have produced a thinking citizen, not an Obamaton!
I have raised three! All now commissioned officers.

Apr 9, 2009 - 10:36 am 51. Dr. Mark:

One of my own….interesting, interpretable moniker, considering the theme of this article. How about heading over the MoveOn.org where you belong? Also, unless you have placed your @SS on the line in anything other than a bath house, STFU about any reference to Iraq. Sorry, it is an active-duty military thing…a hearty dislike for some of cretins that we have defended so they can sit and cast venom at those worthy of our sacrifice(s).

Apr 9, 2009 - 10:44 am 52. Don Rhudy:

“Free Stuff” leads to the absence of freedom and liberty.

Apr 9, 2009 - 10:45 am 53. one of my own:

51 Dr Mark . . . I’ll say whatever I want to about Iraq, anytime, anywhere, to anybody, including stamping it into your forehead. Being active military is no exemption from being a dick or ignorant or both, as you so aptly prove. I’ll be happy to go to MoveOn just as soon as you head up to Idaho, northern panhandle, with your Aryan brothers. Until then get used to my reasoned derision of the fried tomatoes you call your opinions.

Sorry, it’s an American thing.

Apr 9, 2009 - 2:19 pm 54. David S:

@47. Ryan S:
Wow, I’m not sure if you understood my argument, or are disagreeing.

Trying to include online opinion pieces as one of the commodities in his argument is pretty useless. This is the internet, man.

I did think it made his argument rather useless…

Media, one of the most critical instruments in establishing and maintaining political power and order, is itself falling apart under the new demands of the young population as internet driven as it is.

I mean, if he’s going to complain that free stuff is not realistic, while helping to reinforce the “Free Stuff” ideal – that’s hypocrisy.

Peace.

DS

Apr 9, 2009 - 8:50 pm

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