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1. aloysiusmiller:

Well I saw this as a contest between Palin and Obama.

Both debated surrogates: old senators.

Sarah Palin won hands down in that contest.

Oct 2, 2008 - 8:52 pm 2. Sarg:

Hey Brits! you had your Thatcher we have our Palin…..Good work Sarah ! Your ready !!

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:02 pm 3. Helena Handbasket:

Palin is easily the best debater of the four candidates. Under extreme pressure, the Governor performed very well indeed. I have to believe lingering doubts about Palin, especially among women, would vanish with tonight’s truly impressive performance.

Tell McCain to stay home next Tuesday. Send in Sarah instead.

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:17 pm 4. LisaP:

Her debate performance tonight was an answer to a prayer. (Thank God!) Unfiltered, unedited, un-GOTCHA-ed–Sarah was allowed to communicate directly with America. She hit a grand slam. (Biden was a gaffe-o-rama, if anyone was listening to him.) Sarah Palin is a woman of grit and substance and intelligence. The MSM will not be able to pretend away the fact of her competence anymore!

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:18 pm 5. Richard:

A new battery will get my old car started, but how long will it keep running?
How many opportunities has the marshmallow sheriff been given that he just didn’t take?
McCain needs to wake up to the reality that there is a real war going on for the future of America.
“I’d rather loose an election, than speak harshly of my opponent” just won’t work. They’re not playing by any rules and will say and do anything to win. Where is the fight, commander?

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:23 pm 6. Right Brain:

Palin pulled off the best Rope-a-Dope since Ali in Zaire. The MSM is going to park Couric at the kid’s table this Christmas.

Biden looked like he’d been tasered. He didn’t prepare and had to make up stuff on the spot, and it showed. Most of his statements had the false ring of “Roosevelt went on television in 1929″ gaffe from last week. The fact checkers are going to go ape over Talkin Joe’s nonsense.

Oct 2, 2008 - 9:37 pm 7. fred:

The analysts who have parsed Biden’s statements have found at least fourteen lies he told during the debate. That’s scary folks. I knew Joe Biden was not a nice man; he has a history of this sort of thing and I think establishes his creds as an old narcissist whose Delaware constituency has allowed to slide on since 1972.

The thing about Biden that stumps me is this: he IS a bad man and not many can dispute that. And bad men have a way of reading and understanding each other. Occasionally they fool each other, but not often (Hitler completely fooling Stalin comes to mind). Now, how can he be so naive about Iran’s leadership, its intentions, and its progress towards the hydrogen bomb? This is stunning.

I feel badly for McCain and for my country, because we are about to go down a path in January that will be fraught with danger and crisis. But, this is what the American people want.

What most frightens me is the fact that so many of my fellow citizens cannot recognize evil when it stares them in the face.

Sarah Palin has a future in her party and in our minds. Maybe in four years she will be what Ronald Reagan was for the country after the disastrous Carter years. I’m afraid that the under-30 crowd are going to need this lesson. And a hard lesson it is going to be. It was a hard lesson for my generation in the late seventies. And for our parents and grandparents too. That’s why they were called the Reagan Democrats. I sort of got the lesson late. I didn’t leave the Left until 1987. I’m trying to get across my testimony to this so that others will not repeat my mistakes. In 1980 I was a sophomore at the University of New Hampshire and most of my classmates voted for Reagan. I voted for Carter (again).

Please, do not make that mistake. But if you do, then learn well what the next four years will teach you.

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:08 pm 8. nocoen:

Joe was against the surge before he was for the surge that he was against…he tried to give a constitutional lecture on the role of the VP and quoted the wrong article. The VP is mentioned in both Articles 1 and 2 and is a member of both legislative (voting only to break ties in the Senate) and executive (succeeding the President). It is up to the President to define the VP’s role…Kennedy did for Johnson…Bush did for Cheney…

Can you see Ol’ Joe hanging out at the Home Depot (hey, I got one of them thar plugged sinks…how do you fix it – rrrrrigggggghhtttt). I think that Sarah and the 1st Dude actually shop the store in Wasilla…yeah they do got one there (Store #1304)…don’t even get me going on BHM…I would believe that he has no idea what a hardware store is or sells.

Sarah rocks. If the debate pulls greater than 50 million viewers, the polls will begin to tilt back the other way…maybe the McCain Michigan strategy (pull back) will change after tonight…

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:21 pm 9. kd:

Time will tell if Palin’s sleight of hand Republicans-are-the-party-of-jus’-plain-folks trick will resonate with voters.

Her nervous chattering was discomfiting enough, but what really stood out were not moments that were truly bizarre (telling Biden’s his wife’s reward is in heaven, or “I’m tolerant” of homosexuals) but her sudden “wave the white flag of surrender” stab followed by “We will leave [Iraq] when our commanders decide the Iraqi government can handle it.” Hmmmm. I seem to recall how our current president told us the real reason we invaded Iraq was to help them set up a democracy (scratch the ol’ weapons of mass destruction reason). I guess America under McCain and Palin will decide just when the sovereign nation of Iraq is sovereign enough to be sovereign.

Oh, I almost forgot, “They hate us for our freedoms.”
Quite a change from George W. Bush.

Heck of a job, Sarah!

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:30 pm 10. Joshua II:

Meh. Palin rose to the occasion tonight but it seems to me all she really accomplished was to get her 2012 presidential campaign off to a good start. This debate will end up being a footnote to a campaign that, for all intents and purposes, ended when the financial meltdown began.

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:33 pm 11. idov:

Rome wasn’t built in a day and all this criticism of Sarah that she was expected to jump feet first into a year-long presidential campaign starting from zero and come out running was absolute nonsense. The other side of course slammed her for not giving interviews and when she did, failing miserably. But it took time for her to master the vast material, organize her life (and she’s still running Alaska), learn the ropes, and adjust to the high pressure of the game. But she’s fine now. I don’t think anyone could have come up to speed faster. McCain looks like he’s getting pummelled, but he got hit with a sledgehammer when the economy collapsed, and he did the right thing in stepping back. You can never count McCain out. If Congress removes the bailout as an issue that’s hurting him, those two are going to make a real run down the stretch. If Congress doesn’t, as the country and the world go down the tubes, actually the loser will be the winner in not having to inherit the colossal mess.

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:39 pm 12. databot:

“Palin steps up and stuns”??? “Grand slam”?? Well, I guess if not once answering a question and instead repeating the same talking points over and over while filling in dead air with “also” and “also” and also, “also” counts as “stuns.” The low expecations are yours – that a VP needs no competance, no knowledge of national and international issues, only to repeat the same buzz words that give her base hard ons. That avoiding every question with some half-memorized campaign generality or doublespeak will fool me and most voters. She didn’t look as vacuous as she did on the Couric interviews, but that wasn’t hard. Her performance did little to convince any voters with doubts about her that she was qualified to be VP or god forbid, POTUS. And the fact-checkers are already all over her repeated inaccuracies. Not that it matters to Palin-drones – reality is whatever slogan seems most clever at the moment. Keep praying. She and McCain need some sort of divine intervention.

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:40 pm 13. Biden Palin Vice Presidential Debate: Two Survivors:

[...] –Pajamas Media’s Jennifer Rubin: So all eyes were trained on the debate. The question going into the contest tonight was simple: Would this be the final blow to a teetering McCain campaign or the beginning of a comeback? It seems that Republicans’ fears were overblown. [...]

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:56 pm 14. Fearless in CA:

Palin is exactly what this country needs at this time. She’s the solution to our energy crisis, our economy, and the corruption going on in Washington. Send Palin + McCain and don’t get brainwashed by their opponents’ lies and propaganda of promises they will never keep. The fact is that the agents of real change are Palin & McCain!

Oct 2, 2008 - 10:57 pm 15. misanthropicus:

The terms winner/loser do not frame correctly the outcome of these debates which have complex chemstry and subtle consequences. Having, gosh! “nuanced” this, I will say that Palin was very comfortable with debate agenda most of the time, her earnestnes was conquering, she showed no incompetence whatsoever, and, if we consider this debate as a very important assignment for the rep. campaign, she completed it quite successfully – actually she is a more plausible and convincing vice-president than Holograma a president.
If we still seek losers, then we have some big time losers here, which are the liberal media and the shrill, mumified harpies like Naomi Wolfe, Arianne Huffington, Mawdy Dawdy & cie (Camille Paglia having the good sense to defect for the Palin camp).
And a nod for Joe Biden: my impression is that he sincerely enjoyed the show and Palin’s performance – which makes me think that he doesn’t really care about taking Dick Cheney’s job.
Besides the adrenaline rush for the McCain campaign, Sarah Palin brought in also a confirmation of sorts – she showed that McCain, that tricky devil! has indeed good judgment when it comes to people.

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:01 pm 16. Joy:

I thought she held her own very well. Good job Sarah.

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:05 pm 17. lynn:

Hahaha! Are you guys absolutely mentally unbalanced? Even the Repug pundits are calling it for Biden! Palin appeared to be the master of the seventh grade (wait, make that 3rd grade!) spelling bee (wait, too hard for her!) student council (uh, scratch that!) Ok! make it the seventh grade popular, cute cheerleader contest! (with memorized cheers, nothing too difficult, please!) She truly made even the most robotic Stepford Wife look like an emotional demon! Frightening to think that an emotional shell of a woman like this could be anywhere in the White House. Guess I’ll make my reservations for President Obama’s inauguration right now. Maybe Sarah can do a bake sale or something that weekend!

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:14 pm 18. vincenzo:

Too bad the choke-up has been used by Biden elsewhere in speeches on this campaign. He’s not only a liar, but a phony.

What a wanker.

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:21 pm 19. Zeno:

Sarah Palin did a good job tonight. But Biden didn’t do too bad either, although he seemed boring and insincere (would you buy a used car or even a used bicycle from this man?).

In any case, Obama will probably win anyway, because of the economy.

And then people will learn the hard way that “hope” and “change” are just empty, silly slogans. As it always happens.

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:30 pm 20. Marc Malone:

Hey, lookee everybody: an Obamabot named databot!!!

Apparently, Mr. Obat-O (hey, that’s funny), you didn’t see Dr. Luntz’ focus group results. All but 1 felt that Palin won the debate hands down. Even the Dems were giving grudging credit. There was nothing to jump all over her about. Nothing. If there were, you know they’d've done it. As it was, all you heard were talking points and complete refusal to answer specific questions. Maybe, instead of watching Fox, you were watching MSNBC, so missed these significant indicators.

Anyone else see Dick Morris blow his stack at Alan Colmes? Priceless! He was furious at Colmes’ usual spouting of talking points. “If you’re going to have me on this show to interview me, then you will listen to ME talk!” Words to that effect. He was just so professionally insulted. I mean he was so mad, the director quickly had Hannity take over, despite the fact that Colmes is supposed to get 50% of the time and Hannity had had his turn. If they’d been on the set together, Morris might’ve hit him. THAT would’ve been truly priceless!

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:31 pm 21. Marc Malone:

Lynn – You’re such a shill. Where did you see Repubs not be completely enthused? Let me guess. MSNBC! As if a true Repub would be caught dead on that station!

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:35 pm 22. Red Blooded American:

I have to agree with Jennifer Rubin that Palin probably did beat the spread. Whatever that means. I’m sure the gambler McCain found a sportsbook somewhere taking bets and made a little coin. Fortunately merely exceeding very low expectations doesn’t actually carry much weight with most people. You have to do more than beat the spread to win the game. You have to score more points than the other side to do that. I see that most conservatives have already thrown in the towel on this election, so I guess it all is pretty moot anyway. Sure, she exceeded expectations. But are people ready for her to be VP? I don’t think so. I think the average person finds her annoying actually, completely irrespective of partisan views.

Oct 2, 2008 - 11:40 pm 23. Dave II:

Biden reminds me of a great used-car salesman. He can look you straight in the face without blinking, flash his toothy grin and LIE right through his pearly whites while telling you “facts and figures” that you KNOW are coming out of left field with no basis in reality…but you can’t exactly put your finger on what he said that sounded so bullshitty!

Maybe THAT’s why hhe’s been a politician all his life…his TRUE calling!!!

As for me, I’m just tired, tired, TIRED of PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS! And yes…Obama is a PERFECT example…he’s just not been at it (professionally) as long…though one can make a case that it’s EXACTLY what he’s been preparing for ALL his life! A life as a career political HACK!

Spare me all the talk and debate over this issue or that…I want a CHANGE…to someone REAL, who won’t tell me what they THINK I want to hear to get elected!

Sure, ALL politicians have to do that to some degree…but at least McCain says what is on his heart or sticks to principles wether or not they help him get elected, or even make him popular in his own party.

And simply put…Sarah Palin is REAL. She IS mainstream America, and a refreshing voice coming from someone I can actually RELATE to. No, she is not perfect, who is? But by her life and her example as Governor I can KNOW she has the right heart for the job. You go, Sarah! Never change!

I cannot say the same for Biden…knowing his one big claim to fame as a Senator was getting the bankruptcy reform bill passed, that basically SCREWED middle America in favor of his credit card company chums. Great job, Joe! Thanks for NUTHIN’!

Oct 3, 2008 - 12:02 am 24. Rachel Peepers:

Nobody else picked up on this so I thought I’d mention it.

Some pundits wondered why, as the two VP candidates met between the podia just before the debate, Sarah Palin asked Biden if she could call him Joe.

It was because she had planned somewhere in the debate to use some form of the expression, “Joe, say it ain’t so.” Which she did.

The other thing I’d like to mention.

The publicity about Gwen Ifill writing a pro Obama book which (gives the appearance of improper bias) discouraged Ifill from asking obvious “Gotcha” questions.

However, if you were really listening, Ifill’s bias was certainly there. Ifill joined Biden when both pretended not to understand that Palin was claiming Barack said he’d meet, as President, with the leader of Iran, and with no preconditions.

Ifill and Biden kept on trying to ignore the distinction and talk like it was normal for administrations to talk to enemies.

Obama wasn’t referring to meeting on a lower than Presidential level. Obama was talking about meeting on a Presidential level.

Palin should have explained the difference from all ways till Sunday to expose Biden and Ifill for intentionally misstating what Barack had said and meant.

Ifill was in the tank for Obama big time. Ifill just couldn’t figure out a way to act on it because of all the publicity she’s received about her upcoming book.

You can tell Ifill has all the leftist moves, though, especially the way, when people questioned her bias due to her upcoming book, the first thing out of her mouth was, “Racism.”

If Obama is elected, the expression, “Letting the fox in the chicken coop” will be eventually replaced by, “That’s like electing Barack President.”

The mainstream media is doing a number on McCain. They hate America so much they’re out not to just change it, but to destroy it.

Barack’s election would give Iran four years to build a nuclear missile that could destroy Israel. Which they’d do because they know Barack wouldn’t have the inclination or guts to retaliate.

Under that awful scenario, the Democratic Party leaders would know, with Presidential inaction, it would also be the end of the Democratic Party. So there would be a good chance “under a broken oath of office” theory, Obama would be impeached, and, as President, Biden would be forced to blow Iran off the map.

Oct 3, 2008 - 12:05 am 25. Fred:

Yes, she did beat the spread handily, and if you agree that Truman was a good President, then Palin can surely ‘cut the mustard’ too.

She is as tough as they come, and in another four weeks she’ll be ready to start chewing the hind legs off of any congress-critter or bureaucrat who’s trying to give her boss a hard time.

We have to remember we’re hiring an administrator to do a job here, not a messiah to preach to the globe!

If the Punahou Kid gets in though, you can bet he’ll end up as the Capitol Hill Punching Bag, just like Jimmy Carter did. He is so outclassed it’s pathetic.

She helped McCain about as much as possible I expect. But he blew it badly this week by not smacking Congress HARD over the bailout bill. It’s a bad bill, it’s going to make things worse, and he knows it.

He had a chance to show some real guts by siding with the House Republicans and trumpeting their principled proposal. It’s what he started to do – and then caved, I guess.

When he ended his acceptance speech, he said he’d make them famous, that we would know their names, and I was thrilled.

So when they shove this nearly trillion-dollar Christmas tree at him, what does he do? He blinks. It’s so depressing.

C’mon, John! Wake up! Get mad, and start naming those names!

Before it’s too late!

Oct 3, 2008 - 12:13 am 26. cfbleachers:

IFILL: Is there a line that should be drawn about when we decide to go in?

BIDEN: Absolutely. There is a line that should be drawn.

IFILL: What is it?

BIDEN: The line that should be drawn is whether we A, first of all have the capacity to do anything about it number one. And number two, certain new lines that have to be drawn internationally. When a country engages in genocide, when a country engaging in harboring terrorists and will do nothing about it, at that point that country in my view and Barack’s view forfeits their right to say you have no right to intervene at all.

Oh, really? Can we do “anything about it”…hmmm. Like removing a murderous tyrant, then helping to install a democratic government and eliminating the harboring of global terrorists and exporting murder around the world?

When a country is HARBORING TERRORISTS AND WILL DO NOTHING ABOUT IT….you mean like Saddam Hussein?

When a country engages in genocide…you mean like wiping out Kurds with poison gas and putting people in wood chippers…you mean like that? Is it under THOSE circumstances that you would “support” a military threat to world peace and to Americans at home and abroad?

Moreover, William Cohen and his five pound bag on Meet the Press, Albright, Sandy Burglar, Gore, Clinton, …ALL said that Saddam Hussein was the GRAVEST THREAT TO GLOBAL SECURITY…and…that he was a clear and present danger to handing off weapons of mass murder to terrorists, harboring them and sending them out to kill and maim innocent Americans at home and abroad.

Nothing…from the date of those statements to this day…suggests that he did not have those very intentions, that he was not capable of fulfilling them and that he did not present such a danger. It was the DEMOCRATS who voted in regime change in Iraq. And YOU were one of them.

go back and look at Barack Obama’s statements and mine. contemporaneously, held hearings in the summer before we went to war, saying if we went to war, we would not be greeted as liberator, we would have a fight between Sunnis and Shias, we would be tied down for a decade and cost us hundreds of billions of dollars.

Really? Yet your ticket supports invasion of Northeast Pakistan, and SAYS that it always supported the theater of operations in Afghanistan…hunting down Osama bin Laden and bringing him to justice or killing him.

Can you explain how it would have cost us less money, how we would be tied down less time, how we would have not faced the imported insurgents, how we would have been treated as liberators, how Sunni and Shia imported factions would not have made such an operation a “quagmire”…and how you and Obama would not have tucked tail and run at the first bloody nose you received…which is EXACTLY what Osama bin Laden said about America under Democratic leadership.

In point of fact, Senator…the theater of operations in the rugged terrain of Afghanistan would have been a far tougher task to take on the imported troublemakers, it was a home field advantage for bin Laden, it would have cost us more lives, more money, and invading Northeast Pakistan and turning an ally into an enemy would have been a disaster and a boondoggle of epic proportions.

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:30 am 27. We’re HAPPY as Hell! « Mark Epstein:

[...] lots of new reasons to vote down any and all notion of the “Age of Obama.” As noted by Pajamas Media, “In short, she entirely and completely beat the spread. Her performance, given how poorly [...]

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:59 am 28. Marc Malone:

I stated on another blog that Palin has no chance to win this thing, because the MSM will be spinning it. I stand by that. Already, I see the early AM columns.

Sure enough, they’re knocking her on dodging the questions, Normally, that’s de rigeur politician stuff. You have to be able to dodge or deflect the incoming flak. You’re supposed to control the conversation. No, not her! She’s suppposed to stand there and let them shoot her. Pah!

Nevermind that the undecideds overwhelmingly loved her performance. Her answers were rote, or talking points, or not deep enough, or the moon was in the wrong phase.

They’re calling it for Biden on “points”, despite the fact that he lied his behind off. He was more direct and deeper. Bull! He was unprepared and winging it, making up facts as he went along. He was often in the impossible position of being faced with his previous debate positions against Obama. His only way out was to lie. Here comes the spin….

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:11 am 29. crossover:

Old Joe said Obama has never been for sitting down with any terrorist leader/nation without preconditions. Iran for example. Sarah called him a liar in a nice way. Well- I am not as nice- There is a video at youtube, and it shows- Obama telling the whole world that he would sit with Iranian leaders without preconditions. He also said: “Here’s what the president said when we said no. He insisted on elections on the West Bank, when I said, and others said, and Barack Obama said, “Big mistake. Hamas will win. You’ll legitimize them.” What happened? Hamas won. Well Joe, Hamas won the Gaza Strip. I would laugh, but you are not that funny. A VP that flew a helicopter into the Gaza Strip thinking it was safe would get shot down. Ha. – I laughed.

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:26 am 30. Chris in Toronto:

Databot:

I love your “Palin-drones” sneer. Shows the depth of your thinking as your play on words, which you think to be so clever, actually serves to shore up her creds: a “palindrome” is a phrase (or word) that reads the same backwards and forwards.

The Dems are obviously anti-palindromes: they say one thing to one group and another to another.

HA HA HA HA at you and yours.

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:28 am 31. xerocky:

She flubbed the CBS interview by design. CBS is liberal, and the base that she was chosen to shore up knows that. So she went on CBS and acted badly, to make it look like they had it in for her, which, by the way, they do.

By looking bad on CBS, she looks real to her base.

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:47 am 32. SAF:

The debate is just theater. Biden’s poor judgment on the issues is evident over the many years he has been in the senate, just look at his voting record. Palin has decent accomplishments, but not enough experience although certainly more than Obama. She certainly, at worst, held her own and did better than that.

The liberals are right when they say the election is about race. A white guy with Obama’s resume would never have made it to the nomination.

Oct 3, 2008 - 4:22 am 33. Chespirito:

After days of training by highly paid professionals, Palin improved her image. But she continued to avoid answers and change the subject. This is a debate tactic, but it doesn’t play with the smart American public. The retrograde Republicans are thrilled, but that’s about it.
Biden was too polite.

Oct 3, 2008 - 4:26 am 34. Chespirito:

xerocky:
Oct 3, 2008 – 3:47 am

You will do well as a fiction writer and Karl Rove could use your help . . .

Oct 3, 2008 - 4:31 am 35. john from cinncinati:

Maybe Biden should get rid of Obama and replace him with Hillary.
redblooded American: its Obama, that the average John finds annoying.
Lynn: quit projecting, your insignificance isn’t Sarah’s. do you know how to bake?
kd: George W Bush? isn’t he working with the democratic Congress on this bailout????? yup same ol GwB policies.
when you get caught with your hands in the cookie jar, just deny deny deny. look mom(Sarah Palin) no its not what it looks like, uh the jar looked like it was gonna fall so i was trying to position it to a safer place, and the the lid fell off , and i had to check to see if the cookies were safe or you know, if something was happening to them, i wasn’t trying to taste them. honest… Congress is gonna be so busted when Mom comes to town.

Oct 3, 2008 - 4:49 am 36. John Dubya:

To say that Biden misrepresented the historical political facts, and his own voting record, is an understatement. At several points he flat out lied to the American people.

When speaking about Darfur conflict, he either miss-spoke, or maybe he doesn’t know the difference, but he indicated Obama thought NATO troops should be sent in as peace keepers to prevent genocide. ‘Hey, Joe, I think that would be “UN” troops not NATO’. There are no African nation members of the North Atlantic Treaty Origination,,, just in case you missed that lesson somehow during your 35 years serving as a senatorial hack from the nations least important state.

Regards who won last night’s debate,,, the forum specifics did not lend itself to a clear winner or loser. (I think) As I said in another comment, “the game is rigged”. However, Sarah Palin held her own quite well, at the same time she made friends with the American main street. She was engaging, charming, witty, and at the same time tough. In just exactly the right measure. She was forceful on the energy issues, she had her ducks in a row on foreign policy, and gave as good as she got on the economy. Although I had wished she would bring up the Democats role in the Wall Street meltdown a little better. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd did not get a mention.

I watched her as Biden was speaking, all of a sudden she would begin to smile when she knew he lied, she wanted to play the “Gotcha” game so bad, unfortunately Ifill cut her off and pushed her agenda forward. Did anyone else notice that bias?

A small prediction, Sarah Palin will be a force to reckon with in future Republican endeavors. Like 2012,,, if this country has to survive 4 years of Obama/Biden. God forbid~!

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:01 am 37. Peg C.:

I’ve become thoroughly disgusted by the craven way the right has bowed to the MSM smears of Palin’s talents and abilities. We expect the Dems and lefty blogs to echo the MSM but not NRO, PJ, and righty blogs. Either there is a collective attempt to play the lowered expectations game or our side has lost its principles and sanity.

How else to explain much of the right’s eagerness to join the left in holding Palin to an entirely different standard than Biden and Obama (and even McCain)? Is it because in our hearts we know senators are egomaniacal fools and excuse them for it? I could make a very convincing argument that they all are. Is it because we are ALL sexists? Again, I now suspect we ALL are. Is it because even we on the right have metabolized the lefty spin that Dems have no standards and thus get away with everything while we who have standards must always fall short? I see this mentality on all the righty websites and blogs now.

Being self-defeatist is obviously a losing strategy yet we are locked into it. We are doing exactly what the MSM and Dems have orchestrated for us: beating ourselves. Well a lot of conservatives, while we still dislike and strongly distrust McCain, love Palin and see her as the future heart and brain of our party. We keep the faith. This more than anything is the reason the left is devoted to destroying her. They see the true danger she presents to them. We need to see the outstanding opportunity she offers us and get and stay behind her. That means voting for McCain when it is SHE we truly believe in. We need to act like it and not like the utterly faithless losers we are in danger of becoming.

Pretty disgusting, what is going on on our side. Palin was outstanding. We need to act like it.

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:01 am 38. Broadsword:

Oh no!! “..false ring of “Roosevelt went on television in 1929″ gaffe from last week” He didn’t go on television in 1929…?

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:01 am 39. dvd:

To the Jewish voter, Palin mopped the floor with biden on Israel. from the perspective of the socialist jewish voters, they will ultimately have to deal with thier own contradictions.

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:02 am 40. Raj:

Can you through light on this comment on Hezbollah. As far as I know, Hezbollah is still in Lebanon, we ( USA) never kicked them out.. When did they ask NATO to move in? I mean is he bluffing here? should we call him out on this one?

BIDEN: When we kicked — along with France, we kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon, I said and Barack said, “Move NATO forces in there. Fill the vacuum, because if you don’t know — if you don’t, Hezbollah will control it.” Now what’s happened? Hezbollah is a legitimate part of the government in the country immediately to the north of Israel.

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:18 am 41. David H:

I think Palin played to her strengths, though Biden came across well, though he lied a few times and made factural errors.

She dodged questions and said what she had to say, because the MSM had done such a hatchet job she had no other choice, I thought she did very well and best of all showed middle Amercia that she is one of them and that she can do the job that MC Cain wants her to do.

The economy is hurting McCain and as soon as the deal gets done then McCain will go on the attack, was it any coincidence that Reid made that remark about another insurer soon to go bust, thanks for that Reid, I am close to my buy price for HIG. Not enough of a crisis for them, starting to get sorted, so add more stress, that was deliberate and nasty.

Its going to be close, but the gal did doggone well.

As a Brit, there is little chance of use getting another Maggie let alone a Sarah, I am so jealous of Americans having a person that I could vote for. Not that my vote for people who no longer make decisions means anything of course, you still have it, use it or end up in an undemocratic mess like Europe. Biden was right this is the most important election that you are being asked to vote in, vote Obama and decome like Europe, vote McCain and stay the land of the free which I can look up to and envy.

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:24 am 42. CALIndie:

Rachel Peepers – “However, if you were really listening, Ifill’s bias was certainly there.”

Rachel, you’re so right. Ifill is no different from the NBA referee who is betting on the game he/she is officiating. The only difference is Ifill stands to make $300,000 on her bet with the publisher vs. $1000 from the sports book.

This whole charade was sooooooooo typical of the liars, cheats and cons that will say or do anything to get Obama elected and that includes Obama himself.

Marc Malone – “Here comes the spin….” Just to reiterate… liars, cheats and cons every last one. It has nothing to do with the truth or the facts. Just listen to what JoeBlow had to say in the debate, pathetic.

cfbleachers – “When a country is HARBORING TERRORISTS AND WILL DO NOTHING ABOUT IT….you mean like Saddam Hussein?”

I hate to keep harping on this point… liars, cheats and cons every last one. The facts are conveniently discarded, dismissed or rearranged to fit the overall mission objective… power, power and more power to spend other people’s money (OPM).

Sarah Palin stalked the lumbering moose through the dense thicket of lies and distortions and smoked a piercing round through his vital organs. She put meat on the table for all of mainstreet to enjoy! Nice shot Sarah! I especially enjoyed the look on the ragged old moose’s face as he peered out of the thicket numerous times sensing he was seconds away from mooseburger!

American’s on mainstreet are hungry and the old geezer needs to fill his tag and bag his young buck, even if it’s slightly scrawny, it’ll make good stew… slow cooked in the truth!

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:30 am 43. Daily Blogger - Friday, October 3rd, 2008 | Jack’s Newswatch:

[...] Pajamas Media | Jennifer Rubin: Palin Steps Up and Stuns [...]

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:55 am 44. Matt:

Any of the lib trolls here feel like addressing the 14 lies Joe Biden told during the course of the debate? Hell, I’d be ok with you explaining away 5 of the 14 lies he told.

Obama and Biden are a ticket that will look the American people in the eye and lie without giving it a second thought.

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:03 am 45. Robert Hurley:

I guess no one read the polls after the debate. For Palin’s supporters it is best to ignore reality

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:05 am 46. Way Out East:

It may be that the battle for the minds of America was a draw (although Biden got the facts wrong on about a dozen occaisions)there is no doubt that Palin won the hearts of America by a landslide.

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:11 am 47. syn:

After Gov Palin was able to speak unedited, I think many who rely only on what the MSM, represented by famous anchors, are going to be wondering why there is an enormous disparity between what MSM had informed them about Gov Palin and what they were able to hear and see with their own ears and eyes.

One thing I fairly certain about, it would be a very bad idea for Sen Obama if MSM were to continue their hit job against Gov Palin.

I know without a doubt however, MSM won’t be able to stop themselves from attacking Gov Palin in the style to they have grown accustomed and this is great news for Sen McCain.

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:22 am 48. syn:

“I guess no one read the polls after the debate”

Which polls, the MSM heavily Democrat-slanted polls?

I seem to recall a tv ad around the beginning of the year in which a youthful hipster was encouraging people not to pay attention to polls but rather should engage in informing themsleves about the candidates and makes the choice that htan and not the polls.

Of course this political activism ad came out around the beginning of the primaries when Obama was completing against Clinton.

Polls. How convenient.

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:32 am 49. G-Ma:

I can not remember Biden’s exact words, but when asked what his roll will be
as Vice President, he will help Obama all he can with advice. I can just see
it, Obama will have to run to Biden’s office for advice every hour on the
hour. Mostly asking how to raise our taxes!

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:36 am 50. misanthropicus:

TO: databot, Lynn, Chespirito, R. Hurley & Assoc. from the Holograma depot:

Palin did fine, and the stats that MSM & cie concoct are irrelevant – and I cannot see what Obama inauguration you want to watch in the USA since by that time mister Hussein Soetoro will be busy fighting deportation procedures. Start planning for travel to Nairobi (or Djakarta).

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:43 am 51. CALIndie:

Robert Hurley – Oh yea, we see the “push” polls Robert, we just don’t buy the lies and distortions they represent. It is obvious to those who live on mainstreet that liberals will say and do anything to get a slick talking socialist in the Whitehouse. That may be your “reality” for America but it certainly isn’t reality for those of us who understand the scams, shams and flim-flams puked out in the liberal media. Cheaters never win Robert. Didn’t you learn this in kindergarten like the rest of us?

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:44 am 52. Robert Hurley:

I am delighted for those who are ignoring the polls. You better tell your candidate who just withdrew his forces from Michigan based on the POLLS

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:44 am 53. Robert Hurley:

One last point – this is Sarah Palin’s repose to the question about global warming – Can anyone make sense of it:

Asked about climate change, this was Palin’s reply: “I’m not one to attribute every man — activity of man to the changes in the climate. There is something to be said also for man’s activities, but also for the cyclical temperature changes on our planet. But there are real changes going on in our climate. And I don’t want to argue about the causes.”

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:54 am 54. goodcharacter.:

Used car salesmen cry out against Joe Biden being like them. That is so insultative to them i don’t know where to begin.
Joe said he would never consider being vice President to Russert.

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:04 am 55. CALIndie:

Hurley – The push polls were right for John Kerry weren’t they? America is sick of being lied to. The MSM pukes their liberal socialist, big government is the answer, more bureaucracy is good for the economy, waste and fraud? What waste and fraud attitude, non-stop, 24 hours a day, while blaming all the strife and hardship on Republicans is it any wonder Barack Obama is up by 3-5% points in your so called “polls?” Good luck with that on mainstreet!

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:06 am 56. turfmann:

Did anyone else notice when Sarah landed a direct hit on Biden a broad smile came over his face – as if to say that he knew that he had been skewered. As a lifelong professional debater he clearly knew that she was killing him.
I am not a big fan of McCain but I will gladly vote for him just to bring her to DC. Four or eight years as VP then eight in the White House will be many steps in the right direction. And if my young daughters are any indication she will serve as a true role model for an entire generation of women (and men, too)

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:12 am 57. jerry:

I am going to be contrarian about Ms. Rubin’s belief that Sarah Palin’s performance hurts the MSM the most. Rather then hurting them it confirms their power. They have successfully defined Palin as a non-entity and while her debate performance was good, you never get a second chance to make a first impression. The Democratic Party, through its surrogates in the MSM, have made Gov. Palin a non-factor in the campaign. This debate will not change that perception.

Our visiting Obamista trolls who feel a need to belittle Sarah Palin do so because they fear her. Objectively speaking, if she were as bad as they say she is then why mount a campaign to discredit here and force McCain to dump her in favor of a stronger candidate? If they weren’t whistling past the graveyard, they would be pumping her up rather then tearing her down.

Now I know the Obama Fascist bullies who come to post Daily Kos and DU talking points on the board will try to claim that “Oh yeah, I am a brave lad and not coward” will no doubt protest this description but we all know it’s true. Their candidate is an empty suit who heads up a Fascist movement and unfortunately will probably win the election. I think the joke is going to be on them becuase the next President is very likely to be the next Herbert Hoover who will be thrown out of office, if we still have meaningful elections four years from now, for the next two generations. But in the mean time I will sign off all my posts with

Ein Volk!
Ein Reich!
Ein Obama!

Uns Auf Sieg!

until we have to do it for real when America’s answer to Il Duce is sworn in January

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:44 am 58. SGT Ted:

“Biden reminds me of a great used-car salesman. He can look you straight in the face without blinking, flash his toothy grin and LIE right through his pearly whites while telling you “facts and figures” that you KNOW are coming out of left field with no basis in reality”

It wasn’t a field where Joe pulled his answers from.

*ahem*

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:59 am 59. Will Sharpe:

Best line of the night came for Palin pleading for “Joe Six Pack” and “hockey moms” across the nation “to band together and say never again” to being exploited by the home mortgage market that began this economic snowball. However, I don’t think “Joe Six Pack” cares much for politics, so mobilizing all those folks to the polls may be difficult (I can’t speak for hockey moms because I live in Texas where hockey hardly exists).

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:09 am 60. always right:

Here is what Gov. Palin should have drilled home to the American people last night.

“I am glad Sen. Biden mentioned that Sen. Obama sounding the subprime mortgage alarm two years ago. Here was this chance for Sen. Obama to reach out across the isle and work with John McCain for Fanny/Freddie oversight proposal. Here was this chance for Sen. Obama to fight his own party old guards, who blocked John McCain’s proposal on the floor, and really fought for The People. What has Sen. Obama accomplished on that front?

Ladies and gentlemen, this is not CHANGE. This is merely TALK OF change. Sen. McCain and I (i.e. Palin) have achieved CHANGE time and again. Both of us have demonstrated we can and we will deliver CHANGE…..”

Another point to make is:
“I am glad Sen. Biden brought up the CAUSE issue. Absolutely, let’s find the cause of each problem we are facing today. Like Sen. Biden said, if we can’t find the real cause, we are not going to solve the underlying reasons for today’s problems. Sometimes in the haste to ‘solve’ problems, the solutions themselves cause new and longer-lasting problems. For example Congress hastily passed the legislation after Enron and WorldCom crises. Yet we still see Fanny/Freddie “cooked their books” and led to today’s financial unrest.

Sen. Obama and his supporters are satisfied with blaming every woes on the past 8 years. They stopped looking backwards right at the 8 year point. Ladies and gentlemen, that is not a sound judgment to base policies on…..”

Gov. Palin repeated her convention stump speech about mavericks and reform, but there was no killing blow, besides it getting old. I am afraid Gov. Palin of becoming another “Two America” one-stump-speech Edwards. So many instances for the killing blows last night, what a lost opportunity.

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:12 am 61. ReCon USMC:

lynn:

Hahaha! Are you guys absolutely mentally unbalanced?
”WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT COMRADE ? MAYBE IT IS BECAUSE YOUR A SOCIALIST AND QUITE UGLY .
Even the Repug pundits are calling it for Biden! Palin appeared to be the master of the seventh grade (wait, make that 3rd grade!)

”ISN’T THAT THE SAME MENTALLY UNBALANCED JOE BIDEN THAT SAID OBAMA WAS NOT FIT TOO SERVE IN THE DEBATES WITH HILLARY AND OBAMA AND WOULD BE ON MC CAIN’ TEAM IF ASK ? YEP !

spelling bee (wait, too hard for her!) student council (uh, scratch that!) Ok! make it the seventh grade popular, cute cheerleader contest! (with memorized cheers, nothing too difficult, please!) She truly made even the most robotic Stepford Wife look like an emotional demon! Frightening to think that an emotional shell of a woman like this could be anywhere in the White House. Guess I’ll make my reservations for President Obama’s inauguration right now. Maybe Sarah can do a bake sale or something that weekend!

DAME I LOVE PC CORRECTNESS AND FEMINISM ….. YOUR KIND HAS SET BACK 100 YEARS OR LONGER .YOU MUST BE GAY AND LIBERAL TO BE A FEMINIST ? HA HA HA HA HAAAA !
YOUR A MORAN … LYNN

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:15 am 62. Howard:

GOVERNOR PALIN is ‘real’, and Americans could feel it and connect with it. Palin is running for V.P … but, let’s take a look at the qualifications, judgement, and experience of Obama, who is running for President. Obama had 25 years to fulfill the potential he displayed as a rising start at Harvard Law School … and, how did he live up to that potential? He chose to align himself with anti-American racist, Jeremiah Wright for TWENTY YEARS … along with Ferrahkan, Rezko, Ayers, and others. As a community organizer, he registered thousands of voters in Chicago … then, when he ran for the state legislature, he took away their votes, by disqualifying his opponent (a black woman) on a technicality. As a U.S. Senator, he voted present 160 times … he never called a meeting on the Afghanistan committee he chaired (although he NOW says we must shift all our military from Iraq to Afghanistan). He claimed Foreign Policy experience from a 9 day whirlwind photo op to 6 countries. And, he spent almost half of his tenure neglecting his responsibilities as a U.S. Senator, so he could run for President. Senator McCain served America honorably for 22 years in the military. He proved his love for America, as well as his honor, integrity and character, by refusing early release as a P.O.W., even while being tortured. He served America as a ‘contributing’ U.S. Senator, working across the aisle, for 20 years. Governor Palin will learn the details of the current national and international issues … but, what Obama never learned is Character. He can’t be trusted … ask Jeremiah Wright, a friend of 20 years, who Obama betrayed for personl ambition. The American people can recognize ‘real’ character and integrity in McCain and Palin, and that’s why she won the debate by 87% on the FOX text messaging poll.

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:26 am 63. Dave II:

goodcharacter- you’re right! My apologies to all used car salesman! They don’t deserve to be tarnished with the same “LIAR” brush as Biden does!

And SGT Ted… your ability to discern the source of Biden’s answers knows no bounds! LOL!!

Oh…and is ANYONE a little bit surprised that Burger King named their iced coffee to commemorate Joe Biden’s bankruptcy bill that SCREWED the average American royally???

BK Joe.

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:39 am 64. Angry African:

This should not be about whether Palin was better than what was expected. Or whether Biden did or didn’t wipe her off the table with his knowledge and experience. It’s about who will be the second most powerful person in Washington. People say the VP decision isn’t that important. I beg to differ. The second most powerful person in the US government and not seen as that important? Do you want to run your company with a good CEO but a CFO who knows nothing of how finances work? Or a COO who knows nothing of commerce? Maybe not.

So I looked at the two candidates with two questions in mind:
1. Who would best be able to help a President achieve the change he is promising?
2. Who do you want to make the decisions and represent your country if the President isn’t there?
That should be easy.
http://angryafrican.net/2008/10/03/biden-vs-palin-you-betcha-or-what-i-want-in-a-vice-president/

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:40 am 65. Markus:

I must have seen a different debate. I thought McCain debate won the first one. I LOVE Sarah’s whole personality, attitude, down-to-earthness. I thought she gave a great convention speech, and I’ve all of her apparently embarrasing interviews.

But I can’t believe people can say with a straight face that Sarah Palin knew what she was talking about last night. It was like watching a debate between a Senator and a Congressional intern. Probably after a few years in Congress, she would know her way around these issues pretty well. But if Biden had been debating the actual, real Minnie Pearl, I don’t think it would have sounded very different.

Does that mean she would be a bad President? How the hell would I, or anybody else, know.

OT, to Republicans who support the electoral college. What happened in Michigan perfectly illustrates the defects of the EC. As a result primarily of the migration patterns of African-Americans 60-70 years ago, McCain has decided to throw in the towel, and soon of course Obama will do the same. So now McCain supporters in Michigan have no reason to go to the polls. If there was no EC, just a popular vote, their votes would be just as important as every other McCain vote across the country.

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:50 am 66. OLDPUPPYMAX:

Unfortunately Thursday evening ends and with Friday morning dawns the memory that McCain, not Palin, is at the top of the ticket. It will be his ham-handed, wimpy calls for bipartisanship which will neatly slip voters back under the covers until November. Musn’t tell the truth about the ficancial fiasco…might upset some senate buddies. Must talk about global warming, er, temperature change and promise to spend billions on a hoax. And must always remember to play nice with our opponents. Nitey nite all.

Oct 3, 2008 - 8:59 am 67. Sarah:

Yeah, it’s always easier to get along with someone when they agree with everytihg you say. God forbid someone show a modicum of intelligence and actually have the balls to state their own opinion.
Joe Biden is a bumbling idiot that woudln’t know the right thing to say if you spelled it out for him phonetically! He is also a liar, as evidenced by his complete change of direction on his stated opinions (too many to count) once he was chosen as the VP candidate and his betrayal of long years of freindship with McCain to stand up for a terrorist and racist loving socialist.
Thank God for small favors, the fact that not everyone that enjoys the freedom’s of the United States are allowed to vote in our elections!

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:01 am 68. Will Sharpe:

I’m amazed that only two responses thus far have mentioned Gwen Ifill. The day before this debate all the comment boards on Pajamas Media (and assumably most conservative blogs) were in an uproar about her selection as moderator since she’s published a book about Obama. However, it seems most were content with her performance last night, and I think, as someone who religiously watches the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, that more recognition should be given to that lone bastion of objective television journalism our partisan-saturated airwaves has to offer. I say we let Lehrer moderate the final two presidental debates, as well.

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:19 am 69. ReCon USMC:

To Angry African:
Your list is the reason Oboama is not “QUALIFIED ” to even manage a small city , State Gov much less be President of anything .
A Chicago ACORN ORGANIZER is meaningless ! HIS OWN LIBERAL 100 % LIBERAL CONTROLLED CITY OF CHICAGO HAD MORE MURDERS THAN HAVE EVEN DIED IN IRAQ THIS YEAR 331 .
Palin ran a small Town …. OWNED A BUSINESS

RAN A STATE WITH BUDGETS OF 112 BILLION DOLLARS .
YOU ARE A BLACK RACIST OBVIOUSLY !
I SEE TAX PAYER WELFARE HANDOUTS KEEPS YOU ANGRY .
ONE SUSPECTS YOU CAN’T FIND AFRICA ON A MAP !

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:31 am 70. jerry:

Angry African:

I would prefer a VP who knows what his constitutional powers are and one who knows that France and the United States did not kick Hezbollah out of Lebanon and that if fact Iran though Hezbollah now controls Lebanon.

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:34 am 71. Robert Hurley:

Recon USMC:

What Junior High School do you attend?

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:44 am 72. Don Kreuze:

Biden: “Cheney was the most dangerous VP in US history”
Palin: Don’t worry about me Joe, I can shoot a fly of a moose’s butt at 200yards.

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:45 am 73. Anonymous:

Angry african,

When you are an angry American, then what you have to say will matter. Until then, you don’t have any chips in this game. How’s that pirate situation in suckmolia coming along?

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:52 am 74. Dark Helmet:

Angry african,

When you are an angry American, then what you have to say will matter. Until then, you don’t have any chips in this game. How’s that pirate situation in suckmolia coming along?

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:52 am 75. Rastlin:

Sarah smacked Joe down.
She was great!

She’s going to be a great VP.
And a great president!

Oct 3, 2008 - 9:58 am 76. cfbleachers:

14 lies and what do ya get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Old St. Joe don’t you hate clean coal
You owe your soul to the media trolls

Well, if you see them comin’, better step aside.
Businesses didn’t; and businesses died.
Fannie and Freddie are in their pockets still
If the bailout don’t kill you, then the media will.

14 lies and what do ya get?
An in the bag media that refuses to vet
Old Tony Rezco, are you in the mix?
Those media trolls are keeping things fixed.

I said 14 lies and what do ya get?
An earful, an Ifil and a sucker’s bet
If you wanted fairness, you ain’t been told
The truth’s been stolen by the media trolls.

Oct 3, 2008 - 10:00 am 77. Katy Beth:

Sarah rocks! Last night was great! She went in and upended the MSM applecart, exposing them in front of us all. She is the only Washington “outsider” among the four and is a breath of fresh air.

Oct 3, 2008 - 10:20 am 78. ReCon USMC:

Too Robert Hurley:
The Junior High that lead me to not be a Leftist Socialist but a bad butt Captain in the ReCon Div of The USMC, TWO TOURS IN NAM and Later the President of Sealy Posturepedia of Canada while being a famous Furniture designer in Canada and the USA … own and ESTATE here in Horse Racing Country of VA and retired at 52 Quite wealthy …. Thanks for asking you Mental Midget !
Argue my point or go back to Mommies Milk gland, hustling welfare or If you a tad older the daily Kos .
One on One ….. I would like that kind of PARTY with you in a dark alley All alone …. BRA .

Oct 3, 2008 - 10:55 am 79. Jack Burton:

Gov. Palin is pro-choice. Doubt me? Do you really think she would disagree with anything on this page?

http://hubpages.com/hub/For-Women-Only—-A-Pictorial-Journey-About-Choice

Oct 3, 2008 - 11:20 am 80. Rick:

The tickets should be McCain v Biden and Palin v Obama. From that perspective Palin has vastly more experience than Obama.

Oct 3, 2008 - 11:36 am 81. Druidess:

I think she did a fairly good job last night. I was very pleased.
All the left wing liberal nutjobs don’t get it. This is her first ever national level debate against a senator that’s been on the job since Teddy Roosevelt! Not only that…She just proved to all you haters and Obama lovers that she CAN hang with the big boys, she knows what she’s talking about, she can hold her own.
I personally think she would be a better VP Than Biden and McCain will be a better President than Obama. Though I don’t agree with EVERYTHING McCain represents…he’s still the obvious better choice.

Oct 3, 2008 - 11:37 am 82. Robert Hurley:

Recon USMC:

You sound like you spent too much time in the sun. I guess you like threats to take the place of discussion and logic. I doubt if a real Marine would stoop to that level

Oct 3, 2008 - 11:52 am 83. JMS2008:

Hey goodcharacter:

Your comments would have more influence if you didn’t make up words like “insultative.” I’m on your side, I think, if I understand what you’re saying. Please use a dictionary next time.

More importantly, Palin rocked last night. Some people think she didn’t answer questions. Take a look at the transcript. If you think Biden answered questions, you may be right, but his answers were wrong. Is that preferable? Palin’s information was correct (except one mispronunciation of the name of our general in Afghanistan). Biden was just plain wrong on Lebanon, the Constitution, the “Bosniacs,” and a plethora of other “facts” he threw out there hoping no one would check. Well, we know that the MSM won’t check, but I’m interested to see the ads that McCain puts out following this debate and the rash of complete nonsense Biden spewed in his “Washingtonese” style to cover his mumbling, incoherent, misinformaion.

Palin’s answer on climate change and energy independence was nothing short of genius. If we don’t start producing energy within our borders, we’ll continue to pay other countries to pollute this planet to a far greater degree than we would allow at home. Environmentalists cannot influence other countries to adhere to America’s regulations. Wouldn’t it be better to produce our own energy and oil under our regulations and the watchful eye of the EPA and other environmental organizations than continue to send billions of dollars to the middle east and other areas where little or no regulations exist to safeguard our environment?

Biden thinks all he needs to do is speak authoritatively (regardless of how wrong he is every time he opens his mouth) and that’s it. If that’s all the democrats are looking for just to win this election, that’s very sad to me. Very sad.

Oct 3, 2008 - 12:27 pm 84. CALIndie:

Robert Hurley – No clever retort to the push polls on John Kerry being just a little off the mark? I’ve got a poll for you, Drudge Report: 351,061 Palin = 70% and 143,026 Biden = 28% that’s a half million Americans declaring that Gov. Palin kicked Joe’s arse!

Very interesting how lopsided the numbers are when you’re singing to the choir don’t ya think? I wonder why Obama’s numbers aren’t as equally lopsided since the MSM has been in estrus for THE ONE for 2 years now. Obama should be required to report their free media exposure as an in-kind contribution to his campaign because we all know that’s exactly what it is!

Oct 3, 2008 - 12:42 pm 85. Robert Hurley:

Cal Indie:

email me after election day. I wonder how many scientific polsters would think that the Drudge report was accurate?

Oct 3, 2008 - 12:56 pm 86. Nightly Ramble:More on the debate; more | BitsBlog:

[...] no Dinosaur media filter between her and the people. (Note the comments here, too.)  Indeed, as Jen Ruben points out, � “In short, she entirely and completely beat the spread. Her performance, [...]

Oct 3, 2008 - 1:05 pm 87. Freedom is just another word...:

Go Sarah!

Bankruptcy question could and should have been answered. Sarah could have spun it into “personal responsibility”.

The new bankruptcy law is aimed at personal responsibility. It is meant to curb those debtors who were repeatedly using and abusing the system by running up debts, and then repeatedly claiming bankruptcy every few years. It put a longer time-line on how often one could claim bankruptcy.

It also changed bankruptcy from being a strict “assets less debt” to a modified approach that now includes one’s income. Sometimes, those who are “upside down” (their total debt exceeds total assets), still have a positive cash flow (their total income exceeds their total debt payment and living expenses). The new rules make is harder for those with a positive cash flow to claim bankruptcy. Again, it’s to curb debtors who abused the system.

Coming back to the housing market, almost everyone here in Ft. Myers is “upside down” because of our houses. But, many of us still have the same job making the same money that could be used to pay our mortgages. Should we claim bankruptcy just because we are upside down? No. If our incomes cover the mortgages, there is no reason. If our incomes can’t cover our spiraling mortgages and debts, then bankruptcy is one option. Either way, we face losing our houses (foreclosure or bankruptcy) if we can’t make the monthly payments.

Again, it was a great question that Sarah could have batted out of the park with a “personal responsibility”spin to it.

Oct 3, 2008 - 1:41 pm 88. Dave:

Palin is very very good at making people like her who ordinarily have NO empathy with politicians. Everybody who works hard and gets by and pays taxes feels from time to time that Washington just steps on their necks and takes their money… but Palin truly makes people believe that might not be the case if she were in charge..

McCain, though, is an ogre compared to her. This business of saying he’d appoint Al Gore to a cabinet position on global warming and do everything he can to move forward on the issue COMPLETELY negates his concern for earmarks and his newly vigorous positions against tax increases. If global warming laws like Kyoto are enacted, the economic damage they inflict on this nation will make us WISH that all we’d done was double our taxes.

McCain is consistently unwilling to NAME NAMES, as he claims he will do regarding earmarks. How much earmark money is in this bill, $200 billion? Not a word from McCain on it. And he won’t name Frank and Dodd and Obama and Raines and Johnson and all the Democrats who bear the lion’s share of responsibility for this crisis.

“greed on Wall street” is perpetual, permanent, and not relevant. It was bad policy and deliberate stifling of oversight that caused this. McCain won’t talk about that. Palin could have brought it up last night but didn’t.

And Frank is now in charge of spending the money to solve this?

God help us.

Oct 3, 2008 - 1:44 pm 89. Freedom is just another word...:

I’d also like to say that the moderator did a good job despite my worries that her upcoming book created an impression a conflict of interest and that her past comments about Sarah were condescending. The moderator gave both sides a fair shake, but it seemed that Sarah got the harder questions first and gave Joe time to think.

Oct 3, 2008 - 1:56 pm 90. Masterasia:

McCain is not fighting for his own campaign.

And it’s really sad to see him drag Gov. Palin down with him.

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:05 pm 91. view from afar:

lynn please go read Dan71inwa’s comment in Mary Grabar’s article “Why Feminists hate Sarah Palin so much? Ít’s academic” and I truly hope that it makes you think, and I also hope it doesn’t explain your rabidness, and I am praying for you in case that it does.

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:31 pm 92. ReCon USMC:

Robert Hurley:

Recon USMC:

You sound like you spent too much time in the sun. I guess you like threats to take the place of discussion and logic. I doubt if a real Marine would stoop to that level
____________________________
OH really .HA HA .. Here is some Code all Marines Know . MY MOS is 03 0321 .
My TO Weapon in Nam was the M3A1 .Shoots 45′ies Blunts NOSES ..
30 rounds .Stone Bay was my RECON HOME base ALSO WAS THE BASE OF THE FORMER USMC RAIDERS .THE RIFFLE RANGE AT C-LJ IS 4 MILES AWAY .
I am a expert demolition man ….. C 4…B-2-3 NONE ELECTRIC PRIMERS , FUSE LIGHTERS , blasting caps .. BOUNCING BETTYIES , SUMP CHARGERS .
SCUBA SCHOOL KEY WEST FLA .RUNG THE BELL .COLD WEATHER TRAINING PICKLE MEADOWS CALIF.
REPEL SCHOOL MATLA WITH THE BRITISH 6 SBS COMMANDERS .
I TAUGHT QUICK KILL AT Q- CO .
Get it ?
WHAT ARE YOU A SOCIALIST PERVERT .

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:43 pm 93. robert Hurley:

Recon USMC

Did you get out on a section8

Oct 3, 2008 - 2:55 pm 94. Andrew Ian Dodge:

Am I cynical or was Biden’s whole getting emotional about his dead child a bit…contrived? It smacked of desperation to me.

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:29 pm 95. nlcatter:

spread?

biden won by 20 points

was the spread 21 points?

Oct 3, 2008 - 3:37 pm 96. Therese:

I love the title of your article! You’re absolutely right, “Palin Steps Up and Stuns!”

Oct 3, 2008 - 4:47 pm 97. Therese:

Andrew Ian Dodge:
No. You’re not alone. I had the same feeling about Biden.

It has already come out that Biden lied 14 times during the debate. A man able to blatantly lie so naturally can do a lot of other reprehensible things, too.

Oct 3, 2008 - 4:51 pm 98. James:

I wrote at http://www.gotoguy.com/?p=370 that some of her responses in the debate seemed better suited to a question that wasn’t asked. She was witty last night but way off topic.

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:04 pm 99. ReCon USMC:

robert Hurley:

Recon USMC

Did you get out on a section8
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Honorable Discharged … 2 PH’s and .. Two Valor letters by my CO .
One Bronze star …I Served This Country 6 years .
You sound like a combo of 50 CENT , Michael Moore ,Jane Fonda , John Kerry AND LASTLY ELTON JOHN … SWEETIE .
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How many Drug convictions or Rap changes on young Boys do you have Robert Hurley and Prison time ?
You could not carry my Jock Strap even in the Limp position .

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:07 pm 100. Believer:

Oh my. I’ve just come from AceofSpades. He’s reporting on another complication in the Fannie/Freddie fiasco.

Involves Barney Frank. And a…uh…”Fannie buddy.”

“www.ace.mu.nu.” should get you there. Caution: prepare yourself for some colorful comments should you decide to access those.

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:16 pm 101. The Joe Biden Gaffe Machine | BitsBlog:

[...] no Dinosaur media filter between her and the people. (Note the comments here, too.)  Indeed, as Jen Ruben points out, [...]

Oct 3, 2008 - 5:48 pm 102. Fixing what’s wrong | Think Forward:

[...] just had to steal this from commenter cfbleachers(Oct 3, 2008 – 10:00 [...]

Oct 3, 2008 - 6:56 pm 103. Believer:

Please — read at “redstate.com” – tonight’s article on “New Trouble Brewing for Obama” by Young.

A film producer has chronicled BO’s thuggish tactics to take the Dem nomination and to win the election in Nov. “We Won’t Be Silent” I think is the name of the film.

Thank God. I’m incensed that creep keeps stifling our freedom to speak out about him. Let’s hope this film helps inform the public that’s still clueless about this fraud.

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:25 pm 104. jvon:

ReCon USMC:

Thank you for your service, but if I might interject I think you are wasting your breath on the troll. Sir.

Oct 3, 2008 - 7:33 pm 105. Thom:

RE: Robert Hurley:
I wonder how many scientific polsters would think that the Drudge report was accurate?

LOL, and I would bet you think Daily Kossack ploys are scientific? I would agree with him on one thing, a village should raise any kid he might have as he is unfit.

Oct 3, 2008 - 10:01 pm 106. Socrates:

Rachel Peepers wrote the following:

“The mainstream media is doing a number on McCain. They hate America so much they’re out not to just change it, but to destroy it.”

The “mainstream media” want to “destroy” America?

Destroy America?

You need to seek professional help.

Oct 3, 2008 - 10:02 pm 107. asd:

you guys are insane

Oct 3, 2008 - 11:01 pm 108. ReCon USMC:

jvon:

ReCon USMC:

Thank you for your service, but if I might interject I think you are wasting your breath on the troll. Sir.

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Thank you jvon … But it does show us just how bad Socialist/Liberals hate our Gallant and Brave Military and America staying a Capitalist Nation …. The greatest NATION ever they have no use fore sadly .
You and I know far better “My friend” .

Oct 4, 2008 - 4:40 am 109. Colonel:

Ten reasons to vote for Obama –

1. You are a Marxist who believes that America should only have two classes. The ruling class and the workers. It doesn’t matter that they are already paying 95% of all taxes collected by the IRS. They need to pay more and just forego creating new jobs.

2. You don’t care if he is natural born or not, and that he may not even be an American citizen because he refused to take the oath and give up his citizenships to two other countries when he turned 18.

3. You find that endorsements from the Amercian Socialist and Communist parties as well as endorsements from Hamas, Hezbollah, Kadafi, Chavez and Iran are positive.

4. You don’t care that his involvement in Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac began in 1995 when he worked for and trained ACORN workers to file law suits against bankers who refused to give mortgage loans to drug addicts, illegals and people who couldn’t afford them.

5. You don’t think his close relationships to convicted felons, unrepentant terrorists, radical black theologians that hate both America and White people matters.

6. You think it is perfectly fine, to divert a million dollars of his campaign funds to ACORN so they can register dead people, duplicate people, illegals and college students and encourage them to vote early and vote often.

7. You want our defense allocations to go to re-education camps which are currently named Camp Obama instead of protecting us from terrorist. Oh I forgot he is friends with all the terrorists.

8. You feel that the first amendment only applies to people who agree with Obama. All others will have law suits filed against them.

9. That allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire isn’t a tax increase and giving 95% of Americans a tax cut even though only 47% of Americans pay taxes is possible.

10. You feel that babies born alive during unsuccessful abortions do not deserve medical attention and should be left to die alone.

Using Winston Churchill’s words, Obama is a “Riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma”. What do you really know about Obama?

Oct 4, 2008 - 8:28 am 110. Elise:

More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won’t disclose, ad questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as legitimate.

Federal law does not require the campaigns to identify donors who give less than $200 during the election cycle. However, it does require that campaigns calculate running totals for each donor and report them once they go beyond the $200 mark.

Surprisingly, the great majority of Obama donors never break the $200 threshold.

“Contributions that come under $200 aggregated per person are not listed,” said Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the FEC. “They don’t appear anywhere, so there’s no way of knowing who they are.”

The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a staggering $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama campaign has identified. It is the largest pool of unidentified money that has ever flooded into the U.S. election system.

In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas.

Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.”

A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25, totaling $17,375.

Oct 4, 2008 - 8:30 am 111. Chicago Deep Dish:

Lynn: Your childish post speaks volumes about your hypocrisy.

Oct 4, 2008 - 8:36 am 112. Leatherneck:

I agree 100% with RECON USMC. The socialist left wing in this country are a enemy of every US citizens freedom and money. Simple you are either for us or against. The socialist left wing wants us to live in a marxist government. Look around the world. Is their on country you would want to live in. You better value your freedom. I have been wounded and bleed for my freedom. I value ReCon USMC opion and patriotism. He speaks for many of us who bleed and fought for your freedom

Oct 4, 2008 - 8:44 am 113. Leatherneck:

I agree 100% with RECON USMC. The socialist left wing Democrats in this country is an enemy of every US citizen’s freedom and money. Simple you are either for us or against. The socialist left wing Democrats wants us to live in a Marxist world government. Look around the world. Is there one Marxist country you would want to live in. You better value your freedom and be vigilant. There is a real geniune movement in Obama and the left wing with 250 million dollars of middle eastern Islamic terrorist money contributions to Obama. They want to take your freedom and property religon, children. I have been wounded and bled for my freedom. I value ReCon USMC opinion and patriotism. He speaks for many of us who bleed and fought for your freedom. I have fought befor and am ready now. Do not trust the Main street media it is comprimised with left winger mind numbed Obamanites.

Oct 4, 2008 - 8:55 am 114. Laura:

Obama is a liar and a thief. Check out his criminal associates. You are judged by the company you keep. Johnson and raines embezelled Fannie Mae to the brink. They are his advisors. Obama is a poverty pimp. He is like a vampire embezzling from the Govt hand outs to the poor and he sends the majority of US TAXPAYER MONEY to ACCORN and a list of convicted thieves Rizko. Obama is a Marxist communist with friends like Bill Ayers Rev. Wright Farrakhan. His Hollywood image is like a bad dream. Facts not words speak living volumes.

Oct 4, 2008 - 8:56 am 115. Colonel for Bruno:

These were the last words from a American Milatary and CIA agent code named Bruno. who passed away 2 weeks ago. Bruno was a living Legend. Remember what I said. It is true and part of a misinformation plan is to make the truth look paranoid. Just look around and see the media and DNC parroting the party line. The Christian Religion is evil. Homosexual is normal. Patriotism evil. Rebellion and changing the Constitution normal. Disarm the citizens normal. NRA and hunters evil. The Military and heroes evil. Anti military and ridicule heroes normal. Success and hard work evil. The government owes me normal. Shocking this is right out of the handbook of communist and Islamic terrorism guides to revolution and over throwing a country.. Schools teach the government is evil and socialism utopia normal. Divide the races through agitators and media. Destroy marriage and the families. The state is the parent. Call evil good and smear and destroy good. Look at the Hollywood crowd. McCarthy was right and history has proven it. They flock around dictators and tyrants Chavez, Castro, Iranian, and Syrians. Wake up and vote for McCain if you want freedom. After 40 years of Intelligence service I can just say look and watch. Look at Obama’s friend’s Islamic terror operatives. Rev. Wright preacher of Racist William Ayers radical terrorist. Farakhan. Research the hidden years at Columbia University. Also the overseas trips. Victor Marchenco, Ivan Scholos, Gory Machlinsos. Fhaad Hussan these are a few of the KGB friends who financed and open doors here through contacts. I am not long for this earth. A Terminal Sickness has attached to me. I want to warn my beloved country.

Oct 4, 2008 - 9:03 am 116. Believer:

Oh, thank God we’re hearing from our patriots — those whom we know love our America — heed their warnings.

Listen and learn from them.

Foolish citizens, your ignorance jeopardizes us all.

Oct 4, 2008 - 11:23 am 117. Believer:

And now our gal, Sarah, is getting the word out too.

FOX is reporting she’s hitting Obama on his connection to Ayers.

God love her. I hope she keeps it up.

Oct 4, 2008 - 12:07 pm 118. John McCain Supporter:

I am quite disappointed in Palin’s debate performance. She didn’t answer many questions; only fed back multiple sound bites. McCain may have picked her to get the female vote, but he must think that woman are pretty shallow. She clearly isn’t qualified and can’t think on her feet; only throw out sassy sound bites. Combine that with her extreme views: – Would force her child to have a rapists child – Fired librarian who wouldn’t agree to censor books – Lies about ‘Bridge to No Where’

Oct 4, 2008 - 1:22 pm 119. Bruce:

Obama to give away our tax money–Larry Leff

By: Larry Leff October 01, 2008

Email to a friend Voice your opinion

For those of you who are not familiar with The Global Poverty Act, of which Barack Obama is the lead sponsor, it is a tax on Americans which will total $845 billion (this is 0.7 percent of the Gross National Product). I doubt you will ever hear this discussed in any debates.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, our current population is 305,154,108 with 111,162, 259 U.S. households. If G.P.A. is enacted, our cost will be $2,800 per person or $7,800 per household.
Here is a condensed explanation of the G.P.A. (along with some of the Millennium Development Goals. The entire provisions are accessible online by typing in Global Poverty Act 2007 into the Google search engine.):
G.P.A. directs the president to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the U.S. foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the United Nations Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people who live on less than $1 per day.
G.P.A. is required to incorporate specific and measurable goals and to consist of specified components, including: 1) continued investment or involvement in existing U.S. initiatives related to international poverty reduction and trade preference programs for developing countries; 2) improving the effectiveness of development assistance and making available additional overall United States assistance levels as appropriate; 3) enhancing and expanding debt relief as appropriate; 4) mobilizing and leveraging the participation of businesses and public-private partnerships; 5) coordinating the goal of poverty reduction with other internationally recognized Millennium Development Goals; and 6) integrating principles of sustainable development (this has a direct tie to the U.N. Agenda 21) and entrepreneurship into policies and programs.
Listed here are some of the Millennium Development Goals for you to ponder: 1) a “standing peace force,” (a U.N. standing army-I wonder where the vast majority of soldiers will come from?); 2) A U.N. arms register of all small arms and light weapons (NRA members will love this one); 3) peace education (covering all levels from pre-school to university level); and 4) political control of the global economy. The goals also require implementation of all U.N. treaties that the United States has never ratified. These sound like more Big Brothers taking over at a global level-just a thought.
I do not believe it is the responsibility of American taxpayers to reduce world poverty. We have more than our share of poor and underprivileged in our own country that we cannot get out of poverty, how can we do it worldwide? None of this $845 billion is dedicated to the poor in the United States. America already gives enormous amounts of aid to impoverished countries whose leaders (dictators) probably never distribute the aid. Who do you think will disperse this money? Obama is about taxes, socialism and giving away our sovereignty. Obama is not a good choice for America.
Larry Leff
Chetek

Oct 4, 2008 - 2:47 pm 120. Bruce:

RICH AMERICAN MUSLIM MAY HAVE HELPED OBAMA INTO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL
CHatham Republican Town Committee ^ | 10/4/08 | staff

Posted on Saturday, October 04, 2008 16:40:57 by pissant

When Barack Obama was seeking to get into Harvard Law School (he entered in the fall of 1988) he had the assistance of Khalid Al-Mansour, a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist who was a “mentor” to the founders of the Black Panther party at the time the party was founded in the early 1960s.

There is some suggestion that Mansour had provided financial assistance to Obama for Harvard Law School, though the Obama campaign denies this.

Obama has refused all requests that Harvard and Columbia open up his records for examination, as he has refused requests to have the official birth records of the State of Hawaii opened to resolve questions that have been raised about his place of birth. [Nonetheless Columbia confrmed Obama graduated in 1983 with a degree in political science, but without honors.]

At that time Obama was applying to Harvard Law School he was a community organizer in Chicago working with, among others, ACORN, the national housing advocacy group that has been involved many times in cases of fraudulent voter registration. Mr. Mansour lives in Texas. Since Mansour is described as a black Nationalist, it is possible that the Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan might be the person who put Obama and Mansour together. Farrakhan was a close friend of Jeremiah Wright, a former Muslim, whose church Obama was attending.

Mansour refused to comment one way or the other about his Obama connection.

Here’s the gist of the story:

[Former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton told a New York cable channel that a former business partner who was “raising money” for Obama had approached him in 1988 to help Obama get into Harvard Law School.

In the interview, Sutton says he first heard of Obama about twenty years ago from Khalid Al-Mansour, a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist who was a “mentor” to the founders of the Black Panther party at the time the party was founded in the early 1960s.

Sutton described al-Mansour as advisor to “one of the world’s richest men,” Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal.

Prince Alwaleed catapulted to fame in the United States after the September 11 attacks, when New York mayor Rudy Guiliani refused his $10 million check to help rebuild Manhattan, because the Saudi prince hinted publicly that America’s pro-Israel policies were to blame for the attacks.

Sutton knew Al-Mansour well, since the two men had been business partners and served on several corporate boards together.

As Sutton remembered, Al-Mansour was raising money for Obama’s education and seeking recommendations for him to attend Harvard Law School.

“I was introduced to (Obama) by a friend who was raising money for him,” Sutton told NY1 city hall reporter Dominic Carter. “The friend’s name is Dr. Khalid al-Mansour, from Texas.”

That Obama had substantial ties to rich, influential Muslim radicals in 1988 at age 26 or 27, long after he had left Indonesia and about the time he joined Jeremiah Wright’s church is surprising, if true.

UPDATE: Later a press release from a “spokesman for the Sutton family” said that Percy Sutton’s memory was faulty (he was 88) and his account should be disregarded. Timmerman, the author of the initial report, contacted the Sutton family who said they knew nothing of the press release or the person said to be their spokesman and that Percy’s mind was sharp. The Obama campaign denied the report and referred Timmerman to the “spokesman,” but Timmerman went to the family instead.

Oct 4, 2008 - 3:56 pm 121. Bruce:

Obama worked with terrorist
Senator helped fund organization that rejects ‘racist’ Israel’s existence

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

JERUSALEM – The board of a nonprofit organization on which Sen. Barack Obama served as a paid director alongside a confessed domestic terrorist granted funding to a controversial Arab group that mourns the establishment of Israel as a “catastrophe” and supports intense immigration reform, including providing drivers licenses and education to illegal aliens.

The co-founder of the Arab group in question, Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi, also has held a fundraiser for Obama. Khalidi is a harsh critic of Israel, has made statements supportive of Palestinian terror and reportedly has worked on behalf of the Palestine Liberation Organization while it was involved in anti-Western terrorism and was labeled by the State Department as a terror group.

In 2001, the Woods Fund, a Chicago-based nonprofit that describes itself as a group helping the disadvantaged, provided a $40,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, or AAAN, for which Khalidi’s wife, Mona, serves as president. The Fund provided a second grant to the AAAN for $35,000 in 2002.

Obama was a director of the Woods Fund board from 1999 to Dec. 11, 2002, according to the Fund’s website. According to tax filings, Obama received compensation of $6,000 per year for his service in 1999 and 2000.

Obama served on the Wood’s Fund board alongside William C. Ayers, a member of the Weathermen terrorist group which sought to overthrow of the U.S. government and took responsibility for bombing the U.S. Capitol in 1971.

Ayers, who still serves on the Woods Fund board, contributed $200 to Obama’s senatorial campaign fund and has served on panels with Obama at numerous public speaking engagements. Ayers admitted to involvement in the bombings of U.S. governmental buildings in the 1970s. He is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

The $40,000 grant from Obama’s Woods Fund to the AAAN constituted about a fifth of the Arab group’s reported grants for 2001, according to tax filings obtained by WND. The $35,000 Woods Fund grant in 2002 also constituted about one-fifth of AAAN’s reported grants for that year.

The AAAN, headquartered in the heart of Chicago’s Palestinian immigrant community, describes itself as working to “empower Chicago-area Arab immigrants and Arab Americans through the combined strategies of community organizing, advocacy, education and social services, leadership development, and forging productive relationships with other communities.”

It reportedly has worked on projects with the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights, which supports open boarders and education for illegal aliens.

The AAAN in 2005 sent a letter to New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson in which it called a billboard opposing a North Carolina-New Mexico joint initiative to deny driver’s licenses to illegal aliens a “bigoted attack on Arabs and Muslims.”

Speakers at AAAN dinners and events routinely have taken an anti-Israel line.

The group co-sponsored a Palestinian art exhibit, titled, “The Subject of Palestine,” that featured works related to what some Palestinians call the “Nakba” or “catastrophe” of Israel’s founding in 1948.

According to the widely discredited Nakba narrative, Jews in 1948 forcibly expelled hundreds of thousands – some Palestinians claim over one million – Arabs from their homes and then took over the territory.

(Story continues below)

Historically, about 600,000 Arabs fled Israel after surrounding Arab countries warned they would destroy the Jewish state in 1948. Some Arabs also were driven out by Jewish forces while they were trying to push back invading Arab armies. At the same time, over 800,000 Jews were expelled or left Arab countries under threat after Israel was founded.

The theme of AAAN’s Nakba art exhibit, held at DePaul University in 2005, was “the compelling and continuing tragedy of Palestinian life … under [Israeli] occupation … home demolition … statelessness … bereavement … martyrdom, and … the heroic struggle for life, for safety, and for freedom.”

Another AAAN initiative, titled, “Al Nakba 1948 as experienced by Chicago Palestinians,” seeks documents related to the “catastrophe” of Israel’s founding.

A post on the AAAN site asked users: “Do you have photos, letters or other memories you could share about Al-Nakba-1948?”

That posting was recently removed. The AAAN website currently states the entire site is under construction.

Pro-PLO advocate held Obama fundraiser, describes Obama as ’sympathetic’

AAAN co-founder Rashid Khalidi was reportedly a director of the official PLO press agency WAFA in Beirut from 1976 to 1982, while the PLO committed scores of anti-Western attacks and was labeled by the U.S. as a terror group. Khalidi’s wife, AAAN President Mona Khalidi, was reportedly WAFA’s English translator during that period.

Rashid Khalidi at times has denied working directly for the PLO but Palestinian diplomatic sources in Ramallah told WND he indeed worked on behalf of WAFA. Khalidi also advised the Palestinian delegation to the Madrid Conference in 1991.

During documented speeches and public events, Khalidi has called Israel an “apartheid system in creation” and a destructive “racist” state.

He has multiple times expressed support for Palestinian terror, calling suicide bombings response to “Israeli aggression.” He dedicated his 1986 book, “Under Siege,” to “those who gave their lives … in defense of the cause of Palestine and independence of Lebanon.” Critics assailed the book as excusing Palestinian terrorism.

While the Woods Fund’s contribution to Khalidi’s AAAN might be perceived as a one-time run in with Obama, the presidential hopeful and Khalidi evidence a deeper relationship.

According to a professor at the University of Chicago who said he has known Obama for 12 years, the Democratic presidential hopeful first befriended Khalidi when the two worked together at the university. The professor spoke on condition of anonymity. Khalidi lectured at the University of Chicago until 2003 while Obama taught law there from 1993 until his election to the Senate in 2004.

Khalidi in 2000 held what was described as a successful fundraiser for Obama’s failed bid for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives, a fact not denied by Khalidi.

Speaking in a joint interview with WND and the John Batchelor Show of New York’s WABC Radio and Los Angeles’ KFI Radio, Khalidi was asked about his 2000 fundraiser for Obama.

“I was just doing my duties as a Chicago resident to help my local politician,” Khalidi stated.

Khalidi said he supports Obama for president “because he is the only candidate who has expressed sympathy for the Palestinian cause.”

Khalidi also lauded Obama for “saying he supports talks with Iran. If the U.S. can talk with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, there is no reason it can’t talk with the Iranians.”

Asked about Obama’s role funding the AAAN, Khalidi claimed he had “never heard of the Woods Fund until it popped up on a bunch of blogs a few months ago.”

He terminated the call when petitioned further about his links with Obama.

Contacted by phone, Mona Khalidi refused to answer WND’s questions about the AAAN’s involvement with Obama.

Obama’s campaign headquarters did not reply to a list of WND questions sent by e-mail to the senator’s press office.

Obama, American terrorist in same circles

Obama served on the board with Ayers, who was a Weathermen leader and has written about his involvement with the group’s bombings of the New York City Police headquarters in 1970, the Capitol in 1971 and the Pentagon in 1972.

“I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough,” Ayers told the New York Times in an interview released on Sept. 11, 2001

“Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon,” Ayers wrote in his memoirs, titled “Fugitive Days.” He continued with a disclaimer that he didn’t personally set the bombs, but his group set the explosives and planned the attack.

A $200 campaign contribution is listed on April 2, 2001 by the “Friends of Barack Obama” campaign fund. The two taught appeared speaking together at several public events, including a 1997 University of Chicago panel entitled, “Should a child ever be called a ’super predator?’” and another panel for the University of Illinois in April 2002, entitled, “Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?”

The charges against Ayers were dropped in 1974 because of prosecutorial misconduct, including illegal surveillance.

Ayers is married to another notorious Weathermen terrorist, Bernadine Dohrn, who has also served on panels with Obama. Dohrn was once on the FBI’s Top 10 Most Wanted List and was described by J. Edgar Hoover as the “most dangerous woman in America.” Ayers and Dohrn raised the son of Weathermen terrorist Kathy Boudin, who was serving a sentence for participating in a 1981 murder and robbery that left 4 people dead.

Obama advisor wants talks with terrorists

The revelations about Obama’s relationship with Khalidi follows a recent WND article quoting Israeli security officials who expressed “concern” about Robert Malley, an adviser to Obama who has advocated negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.

Malley, a principal Obama foreign policy adviser, has penned numerous opinion articles, many of them co-written with a former adviser to the late Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat, petitioning for dialogue with Hamas and blasting Israel for numerous policies he says harm the Palestinian cause.

Malley also previously penned a well-circulated New York Review of Books piece largely blaming Israel for the collapse of the Israeli-Palestinian negotiations at Camp David in 2000 when Arafat turned down a Palestinian state in the West Bank, Gaza and eastern sections of Jerusalem and instead returned to the Middle East to launch an intifada, or terrorist campaign, against the Jewish state.

Malley’s contentions have been strongly refuted by key participants at Camp David, including President Bill Clinton, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and primary U.S. envoy to the Middle East Dennis Ross, all of whom squarely blamed Arafat’s refusal to make peace for the talks’ failure.

Oct 4, 2008 - 6:46 pm 122. nlcatter:

anonymity? another word for saying GOP liars

Oct 4, 2008 - 9:07 pm 123. nlcatter:

prove Ayers bombed anything!

I know mccain dropped bombs that killed Vientnamse, some innocent children

Oct 4, 2008 - 9:11 pm 124. nlcatter:

Biden 51
Palin 38

thats a stunner – all right!

Oct 4, 2008 - 9:11 pm 125. Tripsy Daily:

I am disappointed by you, Sarah Palin, and your obvious ignorance about the Holocaust, your established associations with known anti-Semites, and your willingness exploit sensitivities among Jews and non-Jews to push an agenda of aggression against Iran. I was offended during the VP debate, when you invoked the quote ‘NEVER AGAIN’ in referring to financial institutions, bankers, and lenders in the U.S. – How dare you hijack the most famous quote related to the Holocaust, these two solemn and revered words that refer to unspeakable atrocities – words that you commandeered and bantered about simply to score political points and to provoke the emotions of American citizens over a problem your boss helped create. How dare you even utter those words when you are on tape being hand-blessed against witch-craft by a preacher who in the same breath demands the removal of Israelites from US financial and political system calling Jews crooks and liars – you admittedly participated in this disgrace, and yet your have the nerve to actively seek the Jewish vote. In the future please refrain from using your “2nd Holocaust” rhetoric. Someone needs to explain to you that Israel is not a luxury concentration camp where the Jews of the world are kept safe by the U.S. If Iran launches a nuclear strike against Israel it is NOT a 2nd holocaust, any strike on Israel, nuclear or otherwise is an act of WAR. Got that? No? Let me explain. Israel is a sovereign nation (20% of its population made up of Arabs – who are equally at risk). Israel is perfectly capable of defending itself against Iran, and when sufficiently threatened will not hesitate take out said nuclear threats – as they did in Syria and Iraq. Not to belabor the point, but Israel doesn’t need the U.S. to play ball. Sarah, you are too ignorant for me to believe there is malice behind your Antisemitism. What I do believe is that you lack even the slightest bit of awareness and integrity that might otherwise safeguard against such inappropriate rhetoric. This insensitivity and callousness (that you have proudly displayed with great enthusiasm while stumping for your boss) combined with your overwhelming ignorance makes you unfit to even aspire to a higher office.

Oct 4, 2008 - 9:30 pm 126. nlcatter:

Im not for Palin but
your antisemitc tirade was a sign of an idiot.

Oct 4, 2008 - 9:42 pm 127. Russian Bear:

She looked too “feminine”. She demonstrated all those flirting woman’s tricks like opening her eyes wide, winking at the camera, avoiding direct answers… I wonder, why she did not try to massage her breasts? It was an uncovered “acting” for the audience… She has not convince that she has knowledge on international issues. Her answers sounded like she just memorized her homework without understanding the material. She looked vulgar

Oct 4, 2008 - 11:42 pm 128. Pajamas Media » Palin’s Debate Reviews Are In…:

[...] short, she beat the spread and defied [...]

Oct 5, 2008 - 8:51 am 129. glory:

Obama’s children go to a $20,000 a year private school.
Obama wants you to go to a public school with union hacks as teachers. He is against private school vouchers for the middle class . The unions bribe or contributions keep the liberal elite wanting your children in public schools. Their children are to elite and above the middle class to mingle. Check it out. The majority of Dems children go to private schools. Sarah Palin and McCains children go to public schools. Where is the media on this. I forgot they have there heads up the butt of the messiah Hussain Obama

Oct 5, 2008 - 9:22 am 130. nlcatter:

“majority of Dems children go to private schools”

glory goes around lying, which is a sin

such a lovely person!

Oct 5, 2008 - 11:00 am 131. Marc Malone:

nlcatter – Ayers did bomb things. He has admitted it. He got off on a technicality. It’s a matter of record.

I do have to agree on you calling out the guy who said that most Dems’ children go to private school. First time I’ve agreed with you. I’ll go kill myself, now.

Oct 5, 2008 - 4:33 pm 132. Agnes:

RNC to File FEC Complaint on Obama Fundraising Practices
By Matthew Mosk
A lawyer for the Republican National Committee today said the party will ask the Federal Election Commission to look into the source of thousands of small-dollar contributions to the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama.

The RNC is alleging that the Obama campaign was so hungry for donations it “looked the other way” as contributions piled up from suspicious, and possibly even illegal foreign donors.

“We believe that the American people should know first and foremost if foreign money is pouring into a presidential election,” said RNC Chief Counsel Sean Cairncross.

Cairncross alleged there was mounting evidence of this, and cited a report in the current issue of Newsweek magazine that documents a handful of instances where donors made repeated small donations using fake names, such as “Good Will” and “Doodad Pro.”

The Newsweek report says that earlier this year the Obama campaign returned $33,000 to two Palestinian brothers in the Gaza Strip who had bought T-shirts in bulk from the campaign’s online store — purchases that count as campaign contributions. The brothers had listed their address as “Ga.,” which the campaign took to mean Georgia rather than Gaza.

“While no organization is completely protected from Internet fraud, we will continue to review our fundraising procedures,” Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt told the magazine.

At the heart of the RNC complaint is a federal fundraising rule that lets campaigns accept donations under $200 without itemizing the names and addresses of the donors on its campaign finance reports. The rule was intended as a matter of practicality — it did not seem reasonable to ask a campaign to gather that information from every five-dollar donor.

But the Obama campaign has raised more than $200 million this way, a staggering sum for donations that will not be subjected to outside scrutiny.

Obama campaign aides said today that a number of steps have been taken to safeguard against foreign or illegal contributions coming in in smaller increments. The measures include: requiring donors to present a passport at fundraising events held for Americans overseas, ending contributions to the Obama Store from contributors with addresses outside the U.S. or its territories, and requiring donors to enter a U.S. passport number when contributing via the Americans Abroad page.

“When we were made aware of an ad for a Nigerians for Obama fundraiser in a Nigerian paper, our attorneys sent a letter to the paper making it clear the event had nothing to do with our campaign, and that we would not accept contributions from the event,” one Obama aide said.

And aides note that Sen. John McCain had his own foreign fundraising issues, having been forced to refund about $50,000 in donations solicited by Jordanian Mustafa Abu Naba’a, who was raising money on behalf of one of McCain’s top Florida bundlers.

Oct 5, 2008 - 5:24 pm 133. nlcatter:

admitted?
no such thing

Now he has written a book, ”Fugitive Days” (Beacon Press, September). Mr. Ayers, who is 56, calls it a memoir, somewhat coyly perhaps, since he also says some of it is fiction

Oct 5, 2008 - 9:34 pm 134. nlcatter:

Palin belevies in creationisnm

thus she is a friggin IDIot

im done here discussing wiht idiots who believe dinosaurs roamed 6008 years ago

bye

Oct 6, 2008 - 10:36 am 135. Agnes:

Islamic muslims cut heads off- mutilate woman- do not allow woman to have rights. they are suicide bombers-
kill fellow muslims-murder children- love to use car bombs on civilians and
send Barrack HUSSAN OBAMA 200 million dollars in small donations to hide it from investorgators. What do they have in common with HUSSAIN OBAMA THAT THEY WANT TO PAY OVER 200 MILLION DOLLARS FOR? IT IS VERY OBVIOUS. I WISH THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WOULD GO BACK TO ITS ROOTS. ZELL MILLER WARNED US. JOE LIBERMAN WARNED US.
WE NEED TO TAKE OUR PARTY BACK FROM THE LUNATIC FRINGE LEFTIST.

Oct 6, 2008 - 4:38 pm 136. Agnes:

The Video that could cost Obama the election – Barack Obama and Raila Odinga

You tube video of Barack Obama in Kenya supporting his cousin militant terrorist Muslim Raila Odinga, the election and violence afterwards.

FINALLY, someone else picking this up.

We can see where Obama comes from. We can see who he really is.
This POS can’t win without cheating and ACORN.

I’m not trying to scare anyone, just make you hoppin’ mad.

Obama’s Communist cousin Odingo and his ethnic cleansing of those that didn’t vote for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8QcpdUtxNQ

Oct 6, 2008 - 6:16 pm 137. Marc Malone:

nlcatter – Yes, Ayers did admit it… on the courthouse steps after the judge threw out the case for prosecutorial misconduct. “Guilty as hell and got away with it” is the rough quote. He said it to the press. Can you really deny it? Don’t be such a complete shill.

Oct 7, 2008 - 2:03 am 138. Floyd Bogart:

Yes she did speak directly to the American People.

Unfortunately what the American People really wanted was to hear her answer direct questions. Sarah Palin is a perfect example of what is wrong with the GOP. When the party revels in ignorance, it panders to the lowest common denominator, as is evidenced by the hateful speech at most McCain and Palin events now.

And no, I am not a liberal/Obamaniac. I grew up an unapologetic conservative. Unfortunately there are non left.

Oct 7, 2008 - 1:39 pm 139. Someone75:

Palin is the number one reason that I’m not voting republican this election. She’s likable and friendly, but she’s not smart and dangerously underprepared. She’s totally clueless on national issues. Just because your state has a lot of oil doesn’t mean you’re an “energy expert” – that’s a laughable idea. I guess that means I’ll be writing Ron Paul. I can’t support Palin or anyone who would pick such a superficial running mate.

Oct 7, 2008 - 5:13 pm 140. Kevin:

The expectations may have been low for those influenced by the MSM’s “reviews” of the the Couric interview, but the bar she needed to clear (she had to make absolutely zero mistakes, and clearly show herself as the more impressive VP candidate to avoid being savaged by the media) was the highest I’ve ever seen it for any politician since Reagan. And she cleared it beautifully.

Oct 7, 2008 - 5:19 pm 141. Marc Malone:

Someone75 – You are the best of the Obamabots. You sound like you really want to be convinced, while sowing seeds of doubt. Very subtle.

Yes, Palin is smart, but in AK, she’s had to become skilled at things other than things of national interest. She can hunt; and fish; and sail; and fly; and run a business; and run a town; and run a state.

As far as energy expertise, she didn’t have it when appointed to an oil board. Most woud treat that as a no-show job. She, instead, learned the trade. Now, she heads the Governors Association on Energy. THEY think she knows something, anyway! Is she an expert? No. But she does understand it from a governmental point of view? Yes. That’s what’s important.

Still think she’s stupid?

Oct 7, 2008 - 11:43 pm 142. Agnes:

OPEN CHALLENGE TO THE MEDIA AND PRESS!
Obama’s Hidden Records

1. Occidental College records — Not released
2. Columbia College records — Not released
3. Columbia Thesis paper — ””not available””
4. Harvard College records — Not released
5. Selective Service Registration — Not released
6. Medical records — Not released
7. Illinois State Senate schedule — ””not available””
8. Law practice client list — Not released
9. Certified Copy of original Birth certificate — Not released
10. Embossed, signed paper Certification of Live Birth — Not released
11. Harvard Law Review articles published — None
12. University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
13. Record of baptism– Not released or ””not available””
14. Illinois State Senate records–””not available””

Add to that, how did he pay for college? How did he go from Occidental to Columbia, who got him in? How was he made Prez of the Harvard Law Review without witting any laws!!!! Or an article even.

Oct 9, 2008 - 11:02 am 143. lefty wing:

Hussain Obama has lied repeaditly and each time he is caught he calls you a racist. Why if 90% of blacks are voting for him because he is black are they not racist. Hussain started this racist business with the help of the media. Obama is a Muslim marxist. He denies it but all of his marxist friends in Kenya say he is. Hussain Obama gave $850,000 dollars to Accorn to register Democrats. Accorn is involved in massive voter fraud. Obama should be challanged by the media. They are afraid to be called Racist. Obama is a
a preacher of deceit and division. Look at his friends Ayers Wright Farakhan Odinga

Oct 10, 2008 - 6:53 pm

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