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1. RightwingHippyChick:

PETA is entirely consistent with it’s kill shelters — their goal is an animal free world, and finding homes for animals would be sabotaging this idea and turn pet-free people into pet-owners.

Vegetarians don’t want animals to live in the first place, rather than pay for free-range food to have a great life, they can’t handle the idea of death and ‘guilt’, and figure it’s better if the animals never live in the first place, because, you see, those that don’t live don’t have to die.

Mar 29, 2009 - 1:39 am 2. David Thomson:

The members are not primarily concerned about animals. They are first, last,and foremost haters of the capitalist system. This is just another issue to help bring down the so-called evil establishment. Totalitarianism is their ultimate goal. Cats, dogs, and other domesticated animals are merely a means to the end. If this particular issue disappeared—they would just find another.

Mar 29, 2009 - 4:26 am 3. Blackwater:

Ugh. These damned leftist groups have really been shoving this pro-gay crap in our faces to a disgusting degree lately. Now even the animal rights nuts are doing it. I can’t stand this “homosexuality and bisexuality is sexy” trend that started only a few years ago. Now it seems like almost everyone in my age group is a lesbian, gay or bi. It’s gotten out of control and is only going to get worse. And I can’t believe those statistics of how few pets PETA actually found homes for and I didn’t even know they supported killing pets let alone doing it themselves. But I can understand why after trying to get a dog from groups like them a few years ago. Now if you want to buy a dog or cat they want to come visit and inspect your house and ask you all kinds of questions about how you view animal rights before they let you buy an animal them. It’s insane. I said screw it and didn’t bother getting a dog from them. That’s probably why they give so few pets away. Unless you’re a vegan that voted for Obama they won’t give you a pet.

Mar 29, 2009 - 5:19 am 4. mike:

Many animal-rights groups believe that humans owning animals is equivalent to human slavery, despite the obvious fact that animals owned by humans, as pets or farm animals, usually have far superior lives than wild animals in terms of shelter, food, veterinary care, and companionship. It makes one think that the anti-pet policies of PETA and similar groups are not trying to benefit animals at all but are really just mindless attacks on our own species.

Mar 29, 2009 - 5:58 am 5. Adrianne Truett:

You know, RightwingHippyChick might be right … they often say that one of the reasons we should be vegetarian is that having cows around is bad for the environment (methane, etc.) …

Mar 29, 2009 - 6:06 am 6. Alex:

Penn and Teller did a great show on PETA that dug pretty deep and exposed the hypocrisy of the group. These are money machines using touchy feely adverts and marketing to raise funds. Once the funds are recieved its like any other business; Margin determines action

Mar 29, 2009 - 6:43 am 7. Bob:

People who are involved with PETA has a very warped sense of reality when it comes to animals and peoples.

Mar 29, 2009 - 6:57 am 8. Umslopagus Reich:

A revolution is coming. Normal, rational adults are fed up with liberal, socialist, politically correct crap whose intentions are to usurp freedom from Americans and create a banana republic where arrogant, self-serving sycophants are hell bent on promoting their dim witted agenda to destroy the lives and prosperous living of the hard working people of this once great country. PETA is just another example of the stupidity that reigns over the Politically Correct morons, guided by hypocrisy, lies, deceit, and violence (in speech and action).

PETA, ACRON, and all other liberal/STATEST organizations and supporter of them should be wiped off the face of the earth. Then there will be peace in this world. They are just as bad, if not worse than the Islamofascist who want to kill us and our way of life. Really, they are one in the same.

Mar 29, 2009 - 7:34 am 9. GDT:

PETA is one of the few activist groups with absolutely no rational point whatsoever.

When I am trying to understand a group or idea that I disagree with, I attempt to suspend my disagreement with them for a moment and try to take their side intellectually. I try to adopt my opponent’s logic – even if I believe it to be flawed logic. I try to examine their version of a perfect world. It helps me to define the core points of disagreement and as a result – this process helps to find solutions.

This process isn’t possible with PETA. They don’t have a core point or rational argument. . The world they would create isn’t possible and they don’t seem to have given this much thought. PETA is a group of people who “feel bad” about something (in a vague and indefinable way) and the purpose of their organization is to get you to “feel bad” about it too. They have no objective they hope to achieve and no way in which to bring it about. They oppose animal trials as an intermediate step between the Petri dish and human medical application. They have no alternative of course – they just feel bad about the poor bunny. The fact that this will result in human deaths is of no concern. The bunnies are not just equal to people – they are superior. They oppose the killing of malaria carrying mosquitoes. They march in the streets to protest the use of fruit flies in research and they try to get carnivores in the wild to eat meat flavored tofu.
These people are card carrying loons. Trying to understand their point is a waste of time. They don’t even seem to want to “win”, they just want you to feel bad.

Now if you will excuse me – I have a prime rib in the oven I need to check on.

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:08 am 10. Delia:

I’ve known this about PETA for quite some time. They are a leftist cult of psychos. Truly WHACK!

Penn & Teller did some great youtubes on this very subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:23 am 11. momof3:

PETA people are whackos. Plain and simple. I think we need to form some sort of Meat Eaters of America group, and all kick in a little, and take out ads telling the truth of PETA. I like animals. I don’t think they should be strapped immobile in tiny cages and used like cogs in a machine. That’s why I buy freerange and grassfed animals, and less of them. From nearby ranchers. I also adopt my animals from shelters. These things are reasonable to do. Killing all life on earth is not, and that is their stated goal.

Mar 29, 2009 - 11:26 am 12. Anita Hope:

The “peta group” are an unloving organization that does not deserve to use capital letters by all “Animal Lovers” around the world. One needs to look at these people and there inability to love or care about anything that lives, including plant life that exhist on animal furtilizers among other chemicals organic or otherwise.
The best thing they can do for mankind is not to reproduce and when they are sick, pray that they can heal themselves, using no medical research for anyone no matterwhat the ageor relationship. Having pets in your home is the most coming and loving emotion one needs to experience, their love in return is unlimited and
not one politicaly motivated.

Mar 29, 2009 - 11:34 am 13. Delia:

I LOVE my fur babies and I bend over backwards to make sure they are happy, healthy and well cared for. I also love a rare steak or a lamb chop.

Peta kills. They have a giant ‘corpse locker’ for a REASON.

People need to remember that.

PETA KILLS.

Pets are the most wonderful, God Given gift and they truly do give LOVE and WANT LOVE. Giving LOVE to a pet and getting that love back TEN-FOLD is a wonderful thing.

PETA HATES ‘PETS’

Those numb nuts are INSANE!

Mar 29, 2009 - 1:27 pm 14. AlanABQ:

You know, as a caring and compassionate guy, I really think we need to start a campaign to euthanize these poor, shockingly stupid PeTArds. It’s just cruel to keep letting them live like this.

Once their spirits are liberated from their oppressive meat-bodies, we could process their remains into puppy chow, cat food & fishing – oops, I mean “sea kittening” – bait, thereby reducing the need to kill other indigent animals to feed our pet companions.

Lets start with Winona Ryder!

Mar 29, 2009 - 1:45 pm 15. Joe the Engineer:

“Sea kittens”? Are you fkkgn kidding me?

Mar 29, 2009 - 2:12 pm 16. Gohawgs:

Penn & Teller exposed this on their Showtime “Bullshit” show a couple of years ago.

P&T also pointed out that one of the top management of PETA takes insulin for her diabetes, sourced from an animal.

The only consistency shown by PETA is in their agenda…

Mar 29, 2009 - 3:14 pm 17. Delia:

14. AlanABQ

LOLLLLL! Soilent PETA?

ROTFL!

Mar 29, 2009 - 4:08 pm 18. Delia:

Or ‘Soylent’ PETA…take your pick. \

*giggling*

Mar 29, 2009 - 4:09 pm 19. Ray Jones:

If you consider the amount of money spent each year on “pet food”, on vet care, and at places like Pet-R-Us etc. you can see where the animal rights people are coming from – it is all about trying to get some of or all of that money.

It is the same with every animal rights, environmental, Global something change, etc. group. The “CAUSE” is getting money and lots of it.

Mar 29, 2009 - 4:29 pm 20. Christopher Smith:

SEA KITTENS!

http://s34.photobucket.com/albums/d119/f4k05/?action=view&current=catfish.jpg

HAHAH You said PETA.. get it, its a joke HAHAHAHAH

Mar 29, 2009 - 4:34 pm 21. Delia:

19. Ray Jones,

You have a point there, Ray. Take away someone’s beloved pet and turn them into a PETA-ZOMBIE.

Ain’t THAT grand? *gag*

Mar 29, 2009 - 5:29 pm 22. Kastco:

Years ago, my uncle would fill his old corn cribs on his farm up every fall. Then, in late spring or early summer my brother and I would go help him empty out the corn cribs and grind feed for his cattle. Invariably, we would find that the corn cribs would have rats in them. I don’t mean some cute little brown furry thing but the real Norway rats, the ones that were foul tempered & 12″ long (not counting the tail) & weighed 1 or 2 lbs, the ones that had 1/2 ” fangs & beady red eyes & carry the plaugue type of rats. These things were realy, really nasty. When I read about PETA or other animal rights groups i fantisize about trspping one of those things live, and then showing up at the house of one of these PETA morons and releasing the rat on the kitchen counter while saying “This rat is named Bob & he told me that he wanted to live with you. Have a nice day.” I wonder how long before the exterminator gets called

Mar 29, 2009 - 6:34 pm 23. thestupidwhiteguy:

Liberal eco-hypocrisy?! You don’t say! Perhaps, we should care for all animals like ECO Commando! Click to see him in action.

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/6d6ad04ce4/eco-commando-episode-2

Mar 29, 2009 - 7:25 pm 24. fred:

My wife and I love dogs and cats. Yet, I know that human beings are higher order and should have priority. Nevertheless, to mistreat animals is an insult to the Creator. I don’t have a problem with eating meat. I sure do wish our livestock and poultry were raised more humanely and slaughtered more humanely – perhaps I should go kosher, I don’t know.

I’ve suspected that PETA is a terrorist organization that truly does not really, really care about life – human or animal. And now I see that perhaps a significant portion of that organization, when it comes to animals, does not walk the talk.

The best thing for them to do is to funnel these animals that have been rescued to local organizations that are better at finding people who want to adopt a dog or cat. That is, if they really do care.

Mar 29, 2009 - 7:30 pm 25. Andrea:

Corpse Locker? Is that what they’re calling the dumpster behind the Food Lion grocery store that they dumped all the dead animals they’d “rescued” in North Carolina after killing them in the back of their van? PETA is evil, plain and simple. They extort money from rescuers who use their “snip van”. They stole 100 bucks from me when I brought in 2 cats to be fixed. They kept them in their van, a veritable sauna, and then said they were sick when their noses ran. I was out the money, told that “I should have known the rules” and that if I made a fuss, none of the rescues would be allowed to use the service.
Hate PETA.

Mar 29, 2009 - 7:46 pm 26. Frank:

Peta doesn’t even use any of the animals they kill… at least I eat the meat!

Mar 29, 2009 - 8:03 pm 27. H. Coburn:

The PETA and Vegan types are mindless idiots, which is as nicely as I can state my opinion of them.
Wearing fur is bad, but leather shoes are ok. Dead animal hide with hair on bad, hair off ok.
Killing and eating an animal for food is murder. If so, then I propose banning the consumption of corn, tomatoes, beans, etc.
My reasoning is that if it is wrong to kill and eat animals, then it is most surely wrong and perverse to attack a defenseless living organism, rip off it’s reproductive organs, and eat them.
Until someone comes up with a way to garner nourishment without taking some form of life I will continue on in my moral vacuum and get my food from the animals I hunt, and the garden I grow. Thank you.

Mar 29, 2009 - 8:18 pm 28. FapFap:

I wish every member of PETA and MADD would all commit mass suicide ala Jonestown, Guyana.

Mar 29, 2009 - 8:44 pm 29. Kevin:

16. Gohawgs, and everyone else too

MaryBeth Sweetland is the woman’s name. She is a VP at PETA and she uses synthetic insulin that not only is tested on animals, but also contains some animal product. Of course this doesn’t hurt her ego/conscious at all since she is sooooo important in the fight for animal rights.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline/2628

Mar 29, 2009 - 8:53 pm 30. MADD SCIENTIST:

PETA should be fined for deceptive advertising

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:05 pm 31. mutt and jeff:

Wow, the San Francisco chapter of the SPCA runs a no-kill shelter and have done so for a long time.

http://www.sfspca.org/about-us/presidents-message/no-kill-nation.html

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:18 pm 32. irritated:

Why is “lives” in quotes in the second to last paragraph. They are lives. Quotes are not meant as accentuation points.

Yes, PETA is a group of radicals. It is unfortunate that they tarnish the names of people who are compassionate and truly do care about the well being of animals. But then again, it is just as ignorant and self serving to lump all groups that care about animals (or perhaps just have a different lifestyle than yourself?) as being under the PETA umbrella.

For instance, I cannot think of a single vegetarian who thinks that animals should not exist. Besides, very few vegetarians like PETA to begin with, and many chose the lifestyle for reasons beyond “helping the poor little animals.” Very insulting to lump them together.

Also, there are many non-profit organizations that do spend most of their money to help the cause rather than advertise incessantly or use all income for administrative costs. You just have to research that before handing them all your cash. Pretty simple really. PETA is not a yardstick to judge these groups by. They are (thankfully) a sad, pitiful exception to the general rule.

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:24 pm 33. Lance:

I think PETA has the correct point of view. The sweet releif of death is deserverd by our most beloved companions. This should be the soltion to all of petas other problems, such as the euthanization of cattle stock and endangered species to save some money for their advertising campaign.
fyi: sea kittens make the best sushi

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:42 pm 34. Skot:

If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:48 pm 35. Naturally Interesting:

I don’t have any particular position on PETA. I agree with some of their viewpoints, and disagree with others. But when I see stuff like this I always have to question the source, reliability, and bias. The following is from Sourcewatch:

PetaKillsAnimals.com is a website created in July 2004 by the food and beverage industry front group, the Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF). CCF is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. CCF has received funding from the Altria Group, formerly Philip Morris as well as Tyson Foods and Coca-Cola. All of these corporations have been subjects of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals campaigns over animal testing and animal welfare. Over 40 percent of the group’s 2005 expenditure was paid to Rick Berman’s PR company, Berman & Co. for management services

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=PetaKillsAnimals.com

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

Mar 29, 2009 - 9:49 pm 36. me:

PETA has always been run by nuts.They think nothing of making death threats to people who hunt,even going so far as the threaten the hunters children.Why can”t anyone step in and stop these people? I love my 2 dogs and 4 cats and grew up on a farm full of animals but at the end of the day,I will eat steak,chicken and fish.

Mar 29, 2009 - 10:21 pm 37. Desterado:

Alan, while I do dislike PETA a whole lot, it’s incorrect to say that Insulin is sourced from animals. It is currently not sourced from animals anymore, spare a few companies. None of which are in the US market.

A LONG LONG time ago it was extracted from animals and then refined for use in humans. Currently it is produced through recombinant DNA synthesis.

So…if this CEO is taking animal insulin she is going WAY out of her way to get it. It’s also inferior to synthetic insulin too.

Mar 29, 2009 - 10:23 pm 38. Brian Macker:

PETA: People Exterminating Tame Animals

Mar 29, 2009 - 11:39 pm 39. EvylShnukums:

I can’t believe the crap some people have written here, such as this gem by RightWingHippyChick: “Vegetarians don’t want animals to live in the first place, rather than pay for free-range food to have a great life, they can’t handle the idea of death and ‘guilt’, and figure it’s better if the animals never live in the first place, because, you see, those that don’t live don’t have to die.”

Free-range food do not have a great life, do the research, and vegetarians prefer to eat plant-based food, preferring the animals to _remain_ alive.

As for H Coburn: “The PETA and Vegan types are mindless idiots, which is as nicely as I can state my opinion of them.
Wearing fur is bad, but leather shoes are ok. Dead animal hide with hair on bad, hair off ok.” Vegans DO NOT WEAR LEATHER. If a person wears leather, that person is by definition not vegan, because being vegan means not using animal products. And you say vegans are mindless idiots??

Mar 29, 2009 - 11:46 pm 40. Jim:

PETA is only interested in MONEY. The government gives them money for being an pain in the back side of the public. They do no real work. They kill animals that they so call “love” more than life itself. Even in this down turn economy they will survive because the Administration will keep pumping money into their accounts so that the American Public does not pay attention to them printing money that does not exsist.

Mar 29, 2009 - 11:50 pm 41. Hungry Man:

What does PETA mean anyway? People eating tasty anials?

Mar 30, 2009 - 12:27 am 42. Delia:

“What does PETA mean anyway? People eating tasty anials?”

LOL! Please tell me you meant “animals” not “anials”…I don’t want to touch that last one with a ten foot pole!

Well, folks. Animals taste good and since the time of cave men we have prolonged our lives by animal sacrifice. Pretty? No. Sad? Yes but, “meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty damned good” Dennis Leary.

I love a good, rare but not ‘boody’ steak.

I’m all for ‘hunters’ who can make a good ‘kill’ and bring home the meat.

VIVA real MEN!

Mar 30, 2009 - 2:01 am 43. Delia:

PLUS, let’s not forget animals kill each other in the wild for FOOD sources. WE are not the only ones who like the taste of meat.

Mar 30, 2009 - 2:03 am 44. Delia:

“rare but not ‘BLOODY’ steak.

Oy Vey. Can’t think. Need coffeeeeeeeee.

Mar 30, 2009 - 2:36 am 45. Troo:

PETA don’t want to keep those animals alive until they can be rehomed because the majority of pet animals are carnivores. Decisions, decisions! Keep a cat or dog alive long enough to be rehomed by feeding it the meat of dead animals, or kill the pet to save the cows?

Whatever plot PETA may once have had, they’ve completely lost it, and anyone who works for them who knows what’s going on and doesn’t walk out is condoning the very mistreatment of animals which PETA are allegedly against.

I’m somewhat baffled, though, by the commenters who are mistaking killing animals with being homosexual, facistic, or Islamic. Brain derailment ahead!

Mar 30, 2009 - 2:49 am 46. Delia:

45. Troo,

Yeah the whole part about “animals like eating other animals” makes it rather ’sticky’ for PETA.

Let’s face it…they are another cult of IDIOTS.

Mar 30, 2009 - 3:13 am 47. nemo:

I am not sure how many of you can so easily bring in Obama, homosexuality, etc, into a story about PETA. For one, I am a fairly liberal guy. I voted for Obama. I worked as a Vice President at a major bank and realize that they are run by psychopaths and tanked the futures of tens of thousands by betting the farm to justify immense bonuses. But PETA is a FRINGE group. My wife is pretty liberal and she is also a zoologist. She says that their entire platform is literally insane, and there is not a single professional wildlife expert that would dare support them. Real animal experts are out there lobbying to kill exotic species because of the harm they do to ecosystems, and these people dedicated their lives to researching and caring for animals and their habitats. What the hell has PETA done? I don’t think any rational person could support this ridiculous organization, with such bizarre ideals.

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:36 am 48. JFM:

Animals taste good

Both our intestine (far shorter than the one of a gorilla of comparable weight) and our nutritional needs in vitamins, proteins reflect that Homo Sapiens is _not_ a vegetarian. Has never been one and none of our ancestors since at least the missing link ever was.

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:38 am 49. Derek:

This discussion is dripping with a bunch of hysterical senseless right wing crap. GROW UP.

LEFT WING PEOPLE HATE PETA 10X MORE THAN RIGHT WING PEOPLE.

You know why? Because PETA makes us look bad, whenever we propose a reasonable thing like raising bison instead of cows because it’s easier on the animals and on the wallet of everyone involved (don’t have to pump them full of antibiotics in the feed lot, etc) or laws related to deal with dog fighting rings, etc we get PETA tromped out in front of us by people who are either too dense or unwilling to know the difference between a bunch of profiteering moron extremists and reasonable rational people.

Blackwater, Umslopagus Reich, thestupidwhiteguy and anyone posting like this needs to check their sanity. This post has nothing to do with any of the crap that they’re making up.. oh wait i know where they’re getting this crap – Glenn Beck.. my father-in-law had him on in his truck and in 30 seconds i hear him exaggerate no less than 10 things into right-wing-apoplexy.

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:26 am 50. Renny:

Why is the word liberal linked to all the insane fringe groups? PETA is a insane, irrational FRINGE group that has nothing to do with leftist politics or liberalism. Many unthinking “liberals” like PETA and similar groups because they sound good, but don’t look beneath the spin. It makes them feel good to give money to them because they don’t have to expend to much energy for the goody-goody feeling. But PETA is no different than any other zealot group, including religious fundamentalists (Islamic or Christian), eco-terrorists and a the multitude of others groups who think that killing people will change they way they think.

Real liberals think about their actions, understand they are not the center of the universe and that there are other points of view. Please, stop associating anyone you don’t agree with or like with liberals. Conservatives don’t like being compared to Hamas or Bin Laden, which is not a far jump when you consider the “My way or the highway (or death)” attitude some fringe elements have. But they do the reverse and tar every wacko group with the liberal brush.

I’m a liberal and I like meat & think PETA are nut cases who should be slapped and sent to their rooms until they learn sense. Who’s with me?

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:36 am 51. Anonymous:

How’s the bison business coming along, Derek?

Mar 30, 2009 - 7:03 am 52. Shep:

RightwingHippyChick – you have to be the dumbest moron ever to walk the face of the Earth.

Mar 30, 2009 - 7:12 am 53. phil doyle:

Philosophy majors: a burden of humanity.

For the record, I sac’d ( sacrificed in the real sense ) hundreds of rats. I found proteins that contribute to the vascularization of cancerous tumors. Not one single ounce of guilt. I love this line of work. That is, finding cures to currently incurable disease, at the expense of specially bred rats.

Does Peta have even a single instance of their members GIVING rather than Taking and Judging?

Mar 30, 2009 - 7:27 am 54. phil doyle:

In nature form doesn’t follow function. Gorillas have Gigantic incisor and canine teeth. They eat veggies and bugs. Chimps have flattened molars and under-exaggerated canines, they eat meat and even other chimps. Intestine length, tooth structure, etc. are just ways for evolutionary biologists to make their field of work legitimate. Meanwhile, geneticists and ecologists have to take the time to point out the fallacy and stupidity of said evolutionists.

Mar 30, 2009 - 7:36 am 55. Middleman:

I think the people who say PETA is totalitarian, communist, or have evil plans to shove homosexuality in our faces are giving Peta FAR too much credit.
Peta is nothing more but yet another organization that probably started with good intentions (cosmetic testing), like MADD, but now has become so big and so bloated on the money rolling in, they have to rely on gimmicks and underhandedness in order to keep the coffers filled.
I think a group like MADD with their blantant neo-Prohibitionist push is a much bigger threat to personal freedoms.

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:14 am 56. kittenkiller:

If every member of PETA went on a cruise ship and it went down Titanic style, I wouldn’t miss a wink of sleep

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:27 am 57. Matt A.:

Vegetarians don’t want animals to live in the first place, rather than pay for free-range food to have a great life, they can’t handle the idea of death and ‘guilt’, and figure it’s better if the animals never live in the first place, because, you see, those that don’t live don’t have to die.

************************************

Really? I never knew that Vegetarian = PETA supporter.

And all minorities are criminals too, isn’t that right?

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:35 am 58. Grover Dill:

#56 I’d call it a good start.

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:56 am 59. Aceman:

PETA doesnt want people to have pets and/or own animals in any way shape or form…that is why they killed the animals in their care…they did not want them to be pets and could not simply set them free into the wild.

PETA’s leadership is more radical than most PETA supporters realize…most PETA supporters I know, vegan or not, have pets of their own and try to beleive that these stories about PETA killing animals is all just anti-PETA propaganda. Unfortunetly, it will take something like 60 minutes or Dateline NBC or some such mainstream program to bring to light the truth about PETA…but of course that is not going to happen anytime soon.

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:16 am 60. Middleman:

56. kittenkiller:

“If every member of PETA went on a cruise ship and it went down Titanic style, I wouldn’t miss a wink of sleep.”

God, I would. As annoying as Peta is, the couple of girls I know who are Peta members are dolls.

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:26 am 61. Harrumph:

Blackwater is a troll, and probably dealing with issues of his sexaulity. What in the article was about gayness?

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:31 am 62. RightwingHippyChick:

EvylShnukums said:

“Free-range food do not have a great life, do the research, and vegetarians prefer to eat plant-based food, preferring the animals to _remain_ alive.”

But those animals will never live in the first place as no-one wants to raise them because no-one will buy them.

By refusing a creature the right to live before it’s born produces the same result as killing it after it lived, in both cases you end up with the world minus the animal.

The one difference is that the meateater at least granted the animal a few weeks of life on this planet, but the vegetarian didn’t.

And all farm animals (free-range or not) always have a far better life than those that never lived, unless you want to convince us that being dead is more fun than being alive…

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:52 am 63. Middleman:

If the animal never lived in the first place, then how do they know what they are missing?

Mar 30, 2009 - 10:01 am 64. Snafu:

I fully support P.E.T.A.

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Mar 30, 2009 - 10:56 am 65. Matts:

I contacted Peta about this thru email & their reply was actually surprising. They didn’t deny that they kill animals but noted that they run a kill shelter that specializes in putting animals down. The animals they put down were for medical reasons or mental (abused animals that would attack people) & for owners who can’t afford it. They stated that they refer healthy animals to other shelters as they aren’t an animal shelter but a lobbyist organization. The kill shelter is only a service they thought was needed.

Althought I agree that many of these Peta people are nut-jobs, go back & read the article with this in mind & it’s pretty clear the reporter was going for sensationalism. If they had taken a few minutes for an contact email (which Peta responded to in 3 hours) they would not be able to run the same story with the same slant.

Mar 30, 2009 - 11:01 am 66. Shane:

The numbers are self-reported by PeTA to the Virginia Department of Agriculture. The state report form is for animals being surrendered to a shelter for adoption or because it’s a stray. PeTA is not supposed to use that form for animals brought in expressly to be euthanized by the owner, and they have been aware of that for years. So I find it hard to believe their claim.

Mar 30, 2009 - 11:30 am 67. TalkinKamel:

Matt A., who said anything about criminals, or all minorities being criminals, or minorities in general?

Trying to play the race card? That’s gotten pretty old.

Mar 30, 2009 - 12:03 pm 68. donttreadonme:

Matt A,
Only a third of minorities are criminals- sheesh, who would exaggerate these stats? Oh, Matt, do you ever notice the once-a-week story of some home discovered with a gazillion animals running wild and a foot-and-a-half of crap throughout? That’s PETA. Matt, here is a good one – what’s the difference between a lefty and a bucket of feces? The bucket! What a riot, eh!

Mar 30, 2009 - 12:45 pm 69. donttreadonme:

Derek,
Ummm, I hate to break this to you, but while PETA does make you lefties look bad, so does (in no particular order):
Karl Marx; Darwin, Acid rain; Silent Spring; Global..ice age, warming, climate change, et al; math; science; reason; ability to judge; rational thought; instincts; work ethic; initiative; Sean Penn; ACORN; common sense;
…

Mar 30, 2009 - 12:53 pm 70. Lunar:

O yeah? Just let PETA try to take my guns! Just another bunch of Obama jizz catchers.

Mar 30, 2009 - 1:11 pm 71. Animal lover to have or to eat:

I love these comments! First let me say that you are all to be congratulated for keeping on subject! Good for you all. I think the answer to #61 is in the text of the article about a commercial PETA put on where two women are kissing and the tag line is “meat free makes better lovers” I guess it could refer to anyone who eats meat or anyone who HAS meat. ha ha. Also. the “article” from PETA kills animals is a blog not a news article. So take that with a big grain of salt too. PETA itself is not an animal shelter but an animal rights group. So they try to say that domestic animals should not be adopted since “ethical treatment” means animals should not be enslaved. So they feel that euthanasia is better than enslavement for human pleasure. It’s just another example of the twisted mindset. It’s ok to shoot a human hunter as long as it saves Bambi! Crazy! People who choose to NOT eat meat are not all crazy wing-nuts. Some a perfectly good people who are just going about their life in a way that enjoy. But PETA can’t seem to grasp that concept. You are right when you say they may have started out with the right idea but they have taken it to such an extreme that the entire organization is little more than a scary joke.

Mar 30, 2009 - 1:19 pm 72. whatwhat:

Many of the comments here are insulting and written by people who are obviously uninformed.

As a vegan, I dislike PETA and CAN NOT defend the organization’s actions. PETA’s beliefs and agenda are not a reflection of all vegans/vegetarians. As a matter of fact, many of us feel that they are hypocritical and have bad intentions.

Lastly, I do not sit here complaining about what you eat or don’t eat. I am not writing about what clothes you wear or don’t wear. To each’s own. I can be vegan and respect someone else’s desire to eat meat and wear leather even if I don’t agree with it. Perhaps you folks need to grow up and share the same level of respect.

Mar 30, 2009 - 1:31 pm 73. Delia:

69. donttreadonme,

ROTFL! That was a most EXCELLENT post, dude/dudette! *high five* oops down lowwwwwwwww. Too slow! *giggles* Great post though. The militant PETA is a LEFTY organization. Might as well OWN it, LEFTIES. Then you have the idiot Lefty ‘Celebutards’ who advocate PETA too. Do these people even STUDY a ’cause’ before they put their name in that hot mess? DOY!
~
71. Animal lover to have or to eat,

Yep! PETA is nucking futs! People who even justify donating money to those whackos need to seriously check themselves. WTF?

Mar 30, 2009 - 1:59 pm 74. Liddle Bum:

Wow, PETA has really gone off the hook this time. People say it’s wrong to kill animals for food, but what about all carnivores? Are all living carnivores evil, wrong, animals? Think about what kind of animals are carnivores…dogs eat meat, and cats eat meat. Maybe before telling the public that eating other animals is wrong, they should have thought about what they’re feeding the animals they have (that aren’t killed). It’s the cycle of life. If all animals just died of old age, well, there would be quite a few old dead animals on the ground. If we DIDN’T eat meat, we’d be skinny and unhealthy.

Mar 30, 2009 - 2:30 pm 75. JFM:

Phil Doyle says

In nature form doesn’t follow function. Gorillas have Gigantic incisor and canine teeth. They eat veggies and bugs. Chimps have flattened molars and under-exaggerated canines, they eat meat and even other chimps. Intestine length, tooth structure, etc. are just ways for evolutionary biologists to make their field of work legitimate.

And your point is? Ovresized canines in gorilla (like in mandrills) are related to fighting and defence not nutrition. For chimps they are not primarly carnivorous and even if they were, big canines are only useful when animal uses them for killing.

Now since apparetly you have answered my post about intestine lenths and humans not being vegetarians tell me what is the secundary function (the one justifying its existence) of our comparatively short intestines and tell me before cooking was invented how humans could have survived on a vegetarian diet with these short intestines to digest it.

Mar 30, 2009 - 2:36 pm 76. Heather:

I still can’t believe that it’s 2009 and there are so many ignorant people out there- if you don’t know what you’re talking about, please don’t post it on the Internet for all of the world to see. I choose to live life not supporting humans who think that animals are inferior to them, therefore- I live the lifestyle as a vegan. Ask any dedicated vegan/vegetarian and they will tell you that they don’t support PETA and any other corrupt business like them.

Delia- yes, animals eat other animals but they also don’t have the resources and knowledge to eat anything else while still being healthy- HUMANS do.

If we keep putting humans on this pedastil, were going to end up killing everything (including our own earth)- look at how some people think on this forum- it’s disgusting!

Mar 30, 2009 - 3:36 pm 77. Jon A.:

Very disturbing and saddening to hear this, but I’ve been told by people before that this kind of stuff happens. This article just pretty much cements that.

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:27 pm 78. Delia:

76. Heather,

Being a Vegan/Vegetarian is NOT a bad thing. I never said that. I like to eat meat, you choose [CHOOSE] not to. Many Vegans act snobbish towards meat eaters as if they know the ‘truth and the light’ and yadda, yadda, yadda but if you had to survive out in nature for a few horrid months I’m sure rabbit or dear meat might start looking mighty good to you.

I suppose you are one of those poor souls who believe in Global warming er ‘Global Climate Change’ because big, bad humans are so horrible.

PETA is whack [I think most of us can agree on that].

Can you imagine some of carbon foot-prints that came from the vegetarian dinosaurs back in ‘the day’? HELLO?

You bleedin’ heart lefties are hopeless. Keep believing your spoon-fed propaganda while you munch on wheat grass and barley… I’ll be over here eating some tasty meat. YUM!

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:32 pm 79. Delia:

P.S. Raw meat is one of the healthiest foods a cat can eat and it has been proven that the more corn/wheat/soy/vegetables in a cat’s diet the more health problems they have. It’s called the B.A.R.F. diet. Google it and get back to me, genius.

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:34 pm 80. jim shoe:

I can’t believe any of you believe this crap.. Every single animal that has gone extinct over the last 5,000 years has been a DIRECT effect of human overpopulation… and soon when our whole bioshpere collapses all you braindead dumbasses can all sit there and bicker amongst yourself …

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:41 pm 81. VintageShake:

Note to rightwingers-
Vegetarians and animal activists hate Peta as much as you. We can’t stand the bad name they bring to us. They are a militant, outrageous group, with no common sense and a complete lack of moral fiber.

Everyone keeps talking about left wingers on here, as if it is a bad thing to stand up for what you believe in. Left wingers do the SAME things you do, with minor changes to how we live our lives. Its fine to me, a vegetarian, if you eat meat… not all of us want to change your habits, but loving all animals this much, makes it so I can’t bring myself to support the industry. Big deal. The industry will last forever, i’m not trying to stop it.
I don’t understand why people have to be classified so harshly- we are all people, who make our own decisions in life. Every one of you right-wingers is just like me, with a minor tweaking of your opinions and lifestyle… so what?

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:45 pm 82. VintageShake:

@Delia

As a wilderness survival instructor for a summer camp- If you put me out in the wild for YEARS, I can survive and thrive without ever hunting an animal.
However,hunting is the EASIEST way to find your food! Most humans are lazy enough to want the easy way.

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:47 pm 83. Dizzy:

What does “liberal” political affiliation have to do with PETA? That’d by like saying the Republicans support Al Qaeda.

Can we all stop trolling one another and actually question the integrity of this source? I’ve learned quite a bit about journalism throughout my life, and one of the things I’ve learned is take any information begotten through a blog or opinion piece, which is what a blog really is, with a large grain of salt.

Also, to everyone blaming “lefties”, you should probably pick a different word. I am left-handed, and proud. I represent one of the smallest and most creative minorities in the great nation of the United States of America. Oh, and I support gay rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, I voted for Obama, I own an adorable rat terrier named Beckett, I am not a communist or socialist, I own a gun, I know how to use the gun (thankfully have never had to, though!) and absolutely hate stupidity. Damnit, I’m just contributing to all of your online pissing matches.

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:54 pm 84. Nicole:

So let me get this straight. If you’re against eating meat and in favor of euthanizing cats and dogs, you’re a hypocrite. Fair enough. But if you’re a meat eater who’s against euthanizing cats and dogs, isn’t that just as hypocritical?

Speaking of hypocrites, that “PETA Kills Animals” site is run by the misnamed “Center for Consumer Freedom,” which is bankrolled by Outback Steakhouse and fast food pushers. They’re pro-veal and they’re even in favor of clubbing baby seals, but we’re supposed to believe they care about animals? I don’t think I’d use them as my source in a tirade against hypocrisy. When they’re not defending foie gras, vivisection and payday loans, those hypocrites claim on their website that pet overpopulation is a myth:

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/article_detail.cfm?article=183

But when it suits them, they say, “Pet shelters are understaffed and overcrowded. Our few thousand operating shelters simply can’t handle the millions of cats and dogs they see each year.”

http://www.seattlepi.com/opinion/370867_leona16.html

Why don’t they just open a no-kill shelter/pet adoption agency if they’re so concerned about pets being killed? They can certainly afford it!

http://www.bermanexposed.org

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:55 pm 85. headmower:

#64 said it right P=people
E=eat
T=tasty
A=animals
SeaKittens- how utterly ridiculous Maybe “CHICKRN OF THE SEA” would have been a better motto
About PETA killing animals-what hypocrites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Put them all on a sinking ship!!!

Mar 30, 2009 - 4:56 pm 86. Nick:

I just love how the internet creates this illusion that you can say the most outlandish things without any sort of source or logic to back your ideas up.

With that said, RighwinghippyChick deserves special mention for own unique logic which is all kinds of backward that I do not even know where to begin. The idea of the elimination livestock, animals raised for the sole purpose of eating is not equivalent to the elimination of all animals on the Earth.

I am an ovo-lacto-vegetarian, meaning I still eat eggs and drink milk. I do it because my family has a history of heart disease among other reasons, and eliminating meat from your diet significantly reduces your risk of cardiovascular problems. It is beyond ignorant to lump all vegetarians into one group as people make the lifestyle choice for many different reasons.

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:08 pm 87. John:

While CCF does very much have an agenda, their basic data in this case is correct; in VA, where PETA’s slaughterhouse – er, I mean shelter – is based, they are required to report their intake and kill numbers to the state. These databases are public and many of us have independently verified the information in the state databases. For an excellent analysis I recommend:

http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com/2009/03/petas-dog-shelter-is-really-slaughter.html

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:11 pm 88. Tyler:

Hmm…Which side to choose? So many good pitches.

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:12 pm 89. mars:

hey blackwater, what do gays have to do with Peta?

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:12 pm 90. lbeyries:

I’m a vegetarian, who like the vegan before me, does not support PETA or anything they stand for. They are a fringe group, who are very hypocritical and don’t really have anything worth while to say. Their extreme actions are just that extreme,meant to get a reaction, sort of like Ann Couter or Rush Limbaugh, does anyone really listen to them or take them seriously? Being a vegan, vegetarian or any kind of a meat eater is a personal decision, which has or should have nothing to do with politics. one choice is not necessarily more right than the other. And as far as eating wheat grass or barley, what does that have to do with being left or right polically. Only liberals choose to eat healthy? Kind of a silly way to think. I know extreme liberals who eat meat and very conservative people who are very health conscious when it comes to food. By the way, humans did contribute largely to Global Warming, but that does not make us big and bad, just ignorant, but now we know better. Isn’t the extreme voices coming from the right as much propaganda as anything coming from the extreme left and aren’t you being spoon fed that as well. Just because we on the left want to take care of our planet and all that live on it doesn’t make us bleein’ heart. Kind of a silly way to look at things don’t you think? I mean, really, as if calling names actually proves a point…

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:19 pm 91. jhdeutsch:

peta is against people having pets? really? then why do they sell pet supplies?

https://www.petacatalog.org/companion.asp

peta is worse than an “Islamofascist”?

peta wants to “kill you and yours”?

peta want to take your guns?

killing “all life on earth” is peta’s stated goal?

peta says “fur is bad” but “leather is good”?

http://www.peta.org/feat-fatalfashion.asp

peta’s entire platform is “literally insane” and “there is not a single professional wildlife expert that would dare support them”?

wow!

come on, basement-dwellers, get a grip (you’re making all conservative-righties look like easily-manipulated ignoramuses)…the fact is, peta—love them or hate them—has done more for animal welfare than all you “animal lovers” put together

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:27 pm 92. Eric Herboso:

PETA’s purpose, as an organization, is to keep the topic of animal prejudice in the public’s mind. They do crazy things on purpose, just to get in the news.

But the reason why they do this is to help the greater effort of ending speciesism.

I don’t relish the way PETA does things, but they’re necessary for the movement. As for the fact that they kill animals, what choice have they? Just realistically speaking, it’s entirely necessary for them to do that. PETA may make outrageous statements from its PR wing (after all, that’s their purpose), but behind the scenes, PETA has to do what reality requires, and reality requires euthanizing animals. There’s no other way to deal with the excess beings that exist when so many people are breeding animals for the pet trade.

I support PETA’s existence, though I find much of what they do distasteful. They are a necessary ally in the fight to end speciesism, and I have no problem with this hypocrisy of theirs; the problem is that they make outrageous claims that they can’t back up, not that they are killing unnecessarily.

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:43 pm 93. John Davis:

Wow, I had no idea dude, none whatsover!@

RT
http://www.anonymity.us.tc

Mar 30, 2009 - 5:53 pm 94. Delia:

80. jim shoe,

Sorry but many animals over-populate other animals and cause extinction.

I suppose dinosaurs became extinct because of ‘humans’ too.

-So much self-hatred from the left. They hate their humanity, they hate God, they hate fetuses, they hate the USA and yet they love gays, lazy slackers, whackos like Ayers and the list goes on.

Tell ya what? I’ll eat my meat and you eat whatever the frickety frack ya want. More meat for the meat eaters!

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:16 pm 95. Delia:

82. VintageShake

Maybe you’re missing my point there, Cowboy. The thing is…to many of us ‘meat eaters’…’MEAT tastes GOOD’ and if foraging for ‘grasses and weeds’ can sustain you and make ya happy go for it. But for me? I love to eat meat and I’m not apologetic about it.

We had to euthanize our own 14 year old cat a month or so ago and it broke my heart.

My youngest cat has been much healthier since I’ve been searing up some beef [super rare] and feeding it to him. When he was on those crappy dry food/corn commercial cat foods it cost him his male appendage because his body couldn’t process those types of foods properly even the prescription ones.

PETA probably makes a crap load of moula so they are ‘invested’ in their propaganda.

As far as Lefties not being much different from people on the ‘Right’… Please…check the whacko, loony tunes nutter who is ‘TOTUS’ now and get back to me on that one.

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:24 pm 96. Sherca:

I have a question for those of you who chose not to wear fur, leather etc.. What happens to vinyl in the environment? What happens to leather and fur a natural product? How is vinyl produced and what chemicals are required to make vinyl and what chemical byproducts are released into the environment?
Now I dont’ have a fur coat…if I did, I would wear it..I do wear leather and loathe vinyl, plastic and all unatural products for their impact on the environment, the wildlife, and humankind.
As for sources re Peta?
They were brought to court last year for this very same thing. They also have ON THEIR WEBSITE a link that explains their stance on “compassionate euthanasia” and why.
I am a meat eater yes..but I am also an environmentalist. I believe in organic…I believe in taking care of the earth..I believe in hunting, fishing or harvesting ONLY WHAT YOU NEED to consume. The logic that you can buy it in the store is lost on me as I see that at what cost? to the MILLIONS of fish that are taken in the MILES of nets. The produce that is grown in miles and miles of greenhouses on chemicals? Thanks but NO thanks! A pill or a shake or a bar to replace the nutrients that are lacking from our diets? Again at what cost to produce?
Think Natural..Eat Natural

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:33 pm 97. Sherm:

@ 69. donttreadonme:
Derek,
Ummm, I hate to break this to you, but while PETA does make you lefties look bad, so does (in no particular order):
Karl Marx; Darwin, Acid rain; Silent Spring; Global..ice age, warming, climate change, et al; math; science; reason; ability to judge; rational thought; instincts; work ethic; initiative; Sean Penn; ACORN; common sense;

LOL!!!

Sir/Madam,

You are either 12 years old or completely ignorant.

So let me get this straight… Darwin makes “lefties” look bad, but so does science?? I’m fairly certain the two are inextricably linked. Work ethic?? Seriously? As a ‘lefty’ who puts in 70/wk at his job, I take a small amount of offense to that. Rational thought? Instincts? I’m pretty sure I’m possessed of both of those as well. Its funny that you bring rational thought into the conversation because I feel like that’s what your post was lacking.

You want to bash the left? Fine, that’s your right as an American. Hell, I encourage it. Try making sense and backing your argument, though. That was just blabber that makes you ‘rightys’ look bad (a la Beck and Limbaugh). Put a little more effort in next time.

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:52 pm 98. momof3:

“humans did contribute largely to Global Warming,”

Wanna prove that? What then caused the warmth when the dinosaurs were around, when there were NO ice caps at all, yet still plenty of dry land? What caused the warm-ups after every ice age? We weren’t driving cars or burning coal then, you know. Oh wait, I know-natural temperature swings aren’t convenient for us, so they must stop, right?

Mar 30, 2009 - 6:53 pm 99. Normal Guy:

I am now dumber for having read all these comments.

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:18 pm 100. Prevost1580:

I’m an animal lover. I totally appreciate cats for their beauty,intelligence & how self sufficient they can be if they have too! I have Siamese cats and they are just as needy as a dog. lol! PETA is guilty of killing every feral cat that they can get their murdering hands on. Peta does not believe that cats should be outside. Mostly because of birds! Mmmmo.k! there is NO bird shortage and word to PETA! Feral cats usually have caretakers who feed them and help them to live their lives out coexisting with everything else. In a nutshell PETA is nothing but a bunch of f-g hypocrites! They would rather save a Lobster than a kitten. WTF?!

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:31 pm 101. Larry Blake:

@RightwingHippyChick; Your comment about vegetarians is a sweeping generalization to say the least. I’ve been a vegetarian for over 15 years now and it has nothing to do with animal rights. My motivation was the result of three bouts of food poisoning and a general mistrust of meat processing facilities nowadays. In fact, most vegetarians I’ve met were motivated by health issues, not animal rights. One could certainly debate the merits versus the faults of such a diet, but to argue that it’s because I “don’t want animals to live” is just silly. Like the majority of the comments on this site.

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:42 pm 102. Adam:

Not to spur the debate much further I just have to say that I am confused by the uproar when, for most individuals posting, PETA is doing exactly what they do…loving animals and killing them. I realize PETA is hypocritical and I don’t think they speak for vegans who are truly trying to make the world more just, but I see the “I love animals, but I love steak/lamb chops/cheese/eggs” comments and wonder if anyone (even PETA employees) can truly empathize with the objectification of another living creature. PETA is stupid and compromises their ethics to make money (seems like business as usual in a capitalist system) I get that, but what about your ethics? Are you really no better to animals than a bunch of hypocritical “animal lovers”? On an individual level I would say we shouldn’t be judging our morality by the failure of a huge corporation like PETA.

Mar 30, 2009 - 8:53 pm 103. LiberalsSuck:

Umm, you know the story is a lie right? Your making those of us who have a real problem with PETA look retarded.

“Ok I hate PETA as much as anyone but the numbers are really being played with here..Here’s the supposed PDF that proves this.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf
Lets take dogs for instance:
From page 1: 3317 total dogs. From page 2: 2716 dogs were RECLAIMED BY OWNER 4 were adopted, 21 moved to another facility and 555 euthanized.
Ok so 555 out of 3317 dogs were euthanized. That’s 17% not 95%.
Take the totals: 10,016 animals. 7525 were reclaimed by owner, 59 were adopted, 34 were moved, etc.
2369 were euthanized out of 10,016.
Thats 23%. Not 95%.
They get to 95% by ignoring the nearly THOUSANDS that go back to their owners, then if you subtract out those THOUSANDS and everyone who got transferred or misc stuff, then you can make it look like they kill 95%…
The site conveniently fails to acknowledge that PETA did in fact return almost 80% of the animals in their care to their rightful owners.”

So there you go. Real analysis of the paper which your basing your story on which proves it is a complete lie. This story is an embarrassment to your site.

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:01 pm 104. Sherm:

@ 98. momof3:
“humans did contribute largely to Global Warming,”

Wanna prove that? What then caused the warmth when the dinosaurs were around, when there were NO ice caps at all, yet still plenty of dry land? What caused the warm-ups after every ice age? We weren’t driving cars or burning coal then, you know. Oh wait, I know-natural temperature swings aren’t convenient for us, so they must stop, right?

Er, I think maybe you’ve misunderstood the argument. I don’t think anyone is saying that global warming/cooling/whatever wouldn’t naturally occur if humans were absent; I believe that the argument is whether or not we’ve sped up the process via greenhouse gasses, ozone holes, emissions, etc.

As for proof of that, I guess it depends on what you read. There’s plenty of credible scientists arguing both sides of that one.

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:31 pm 105. Sherm:

@94. Delia:
80. jim shoe,

“Sorry but many animals over-populate other animals and cause extinction.

I suppose dinosaurs became extinct because of ‘humans’ too.

-So much self-hatred from the left. They hate their humanity, they hate God, they hate fetuses, they hate the USA and yet they love gays, lazy slackers, whackos like Ayers and the list goes on.

Tell ya what? I’ll eat my meat and you eat whatever the frickety frack ya want. More meat for the meat eaters!”

Wow. That might be the most ignorant thing I’ve read all day. OK here goes:

-Jim Shoe stated that all the animals in the last 5000 that have gone extinct have done so due to the effects of humans. While I doubt that this is 100% true, the idea that dinosaurs (who lived 65 million years ago, and well outside of the time frame Shoe set out) are a counterpoint to his statement is silly. Of course there are/were extinctions that occur naturally. There are, however, FAR more that have occured due to human influence. Any zoo website will tell you that. Think Buffalo.

-I believe that you will also find that, at least in recent history, when “many animals overpopulate other animals and cause extinction” this is largely due to the natural habitat of the overpopulating species being utilized by humans in such a way that they have to move to find food etc.

-I’m really not even going to address the self-hatred rant. That’s weak. I’m just as human as you are, and perhaps moreso if you really buy what you’re spewing there. I’m hoping that this is one of those “the anonymity of the internet lets me say all kinds of outrageous, funny things” rants rather than your actual opinions. If they are, I feel for you.

Cheers!

Mar 30, 2009 - 9:53 pm 106. Politicsuck:

This is the same reason I was so turned off by the left wing media….over exaggeration of a subject to benefit their movement. Now apparently the right wing is stooping even lower. Ripping Peta to shreds because it is typically a left wing celeb endorsed venture. Do you people have minds of your own? Or do you simply believe every false, over exaggerated word spoken by the media…whether it be right or left? This is pathetic. Has anyone even gone to Peta’s website to read their explanation? Please do so before you are so quick to judge and throw the first stone. Hypocrites…I think I found them here, thanks for providing such a wonderful definition. This does not mean I support Peta’s methods of getting their message out…sometimes it is a bit over the top, but I do not find them to be hypocritical as I am finding you people. It really sucks to be someone who cares so much about the political world and what happens to this country, but to have 2 narrow minded parties to identify with, no thanks! I would say 80% of my views are conservative and 20% leaning liberal….this is a turn off to both sides. Next time you write an article, please be able to back it up with facts. I definitely had more trust in the reporting of the right wing media, but now I am second guessing myself. Think for yourselves people. No wonder why this world is going down the tubes, bunch of mindless followers. Do your research people and stop believing every word you hear.

Mar 30, 2009 - 10:37 pm 107. Fred:

For the people using PETA’s idiocy to attack “liberals”

doing that is like attacking “conservatives” for the antics of the KKK. PETA does not represent the vast majority of liberals

Mar 30, 2009 - 11:26 pm 108. Zac:

P.E.T.A states that they are for the total liberation of animals witch includes, animals as seeing eyes or helping animals, animals as pets, and testing on animals off all kinds. They believe state killing an animal is a crime. Yet P.E.T.A them selves do not follow these rules of no kill tolerance and secondly the co founder of P.E.T.A takes insulin yet where do you think they test and get the components for insulin. All offense to P.E.T.A members but what you believe in is plan and simple with no reservation’s BULL SHIT.

Mar 31, 2009 - 1:03 am 109. JFM:

As a wilderness survival instructor for a summer camp- If you put me out in the wild for YEARS, I can survive and thrive without ever hunting an animal.
However,hunting is the EASIEST way to find your food! Most humans are lazy enough to want the easy way.

Oh you can survive? And what about your family? Also do you know why pregnant women tend to have nauseas just from the smell of coliflowers and similar food? Because they have a high concentration on some toxins who are pretty harmless to adults but are dangerous to fetuses and humankind has developed these nauseas as a protection mechanism. So now go ahead, feed your children (oversensitive to bitter tastes in order to avoid them poisoning themselves when not under adult supervision) and your pregnant wife who, rightly, rejects 90% of what you gather? And do it in winter.

Also I have vivid memories of the unfortunate daughter of vegan couple. At 12 she looked like a seven years old. Add yet another constraint: your children must grow to normal size and weight.

Mar 31, 2009 - 2:29 am 110. Claire:

I agree with naturally interesting-35.
There is a lot of hate in need of a scapegoat these days

Mar 31, 2009 - 2:31 am 111. aaaaaa:

i eat meat. i like it and i will continue to eat it, despite what anyone else’s opinion is.

just for you, peta, i will have steak, eggs and a kitten for breakfast. hippies.

Mar 31, 2009 - 2:37 am 112. Jessiclaw:

I bet the majority of people on here couldn’t hunt for their own food if they tried, and would never do the things that happen to their food before they die.
I don’t understand why the article would complain about advertisements, because that isn’t just PETA, every advertisement seems like that or worse.
The best part of this is, PETA wasn’t even disturbing any other people this time, and they’re still considered the worst people in the world.

Mar 31, 2009 - 4:29 am 113. Shane:

PeTA does disturb other people. They have the nerve to protest against no-kill shelters, because to them, killing is the only solution. The final solution, if you will.

PeTA claims that animals in no-kill shelters all go mad and are tortured by life in a cage. I have been to no-kill shelters and have yet to see a dog in that state. That’s because no-kill shelters actually innovate and find ways to both care for the animals and rehome them.

PeTA’s president has publicly stated before that in her ideal future, there will be NO domestic animals.

“In the end, I think it would be lovely if we stopped this whole notion of pets altogether.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, Newsday, Feb 1988

PeTA has the hypocrisy to protest against medical testing of animals. They protest against that horrible March of Dimes (we all know how evil they are). PeTA’s vice-president, Mary Beth Sweetland, uses insulin. Insulin was originally an animal product and exists because of animal testing. Ingrid Newkirk broke her wrist and made the comment about how wonderful IV painkillers are. Guess how IVs and painkillers were tested?

Mar 31, 2009 - 5:48 am 114. Not Liberal, Not Conservative:

Many vegans are vegans because they choose not to support the commercial animal farming industry. I can’t speak for others, but if I was dropped into the wilderness and left to fend for myself, I would have no problem hunting for meat. One of the maine issues for vegans is the problem that we as a society impose our will on animals who have no voice of their own. Surely in the past humans hunted for survival, but we’ve grown to the point where we have a choice. In order to sustain the unchecked expansion of the human race, we now have to mass-produce animal products in a manner that is unethical and dismissive of those with which we share this planet. Why can’t we at least acknowledge that there might be at least BETTER ways of getting animal-based nutrition.

All that being said, it’s my personal decision. You are of a carnivorous persuasion, I am of a herbivorous persuasion. We’re all human in the end though.

Mar 31, 2009 - 6:43 am 115. Shane:

Well said, poster 114.

If I may offer a suggestion? I understand being against factory farming but there are other (more expensive) sources of meat if you look for humane local growers. Many CSA farms welcome the public to come out and visit to see how their animals are actually raised.

I’m not trying to push you towards meat, as I respect your decision. I’m just letting you know that there are alternatives to factory farms.

Mar 31, 2009 - 8:17 am 116. Prevost1580:

I do not eat meat. Mostly because of the hormones & the torture that animals (TODAY ) are put in,just so some bratty kids can get their chicken Mcnuggets or some redneck can show off by eating a bloody steak in front of his beer drinking friends. No! I’m not liberal at all. WTF? does politics have to do with eating meat or not? The blogger who wrote this story is pointing out THE HYPOCRISY of PETA! and I couldn’t agree,more! I go by the bible and the bible speaks against animal cruelty. In Genesis & thru out the book of widom, they fast, speak of not eating meat and to quote ONE passage, A righteous man regards the life of his animal. And here is my all time favorite *HUMANE* passage from the bible > All living things look to you for food and you give it to them at the right time.You open your hand,and you satisfy all living things.Psalm 145:16-16 I dedicate this one to my feral cat colonies that PETA would like to kill,here in Virginia. Don’t blame the cats. They didn’t ask to be here. It was some ignorant human that threw them away & was even to lazy to have them spayed or neutered.

For the poster who said he would eat a steak & a kitten for breakfast, you are a complete idiot,who needs to learn how to read!!!! Get edumacated,puhaleeeze!

Again the blogger here is talking about Peta’s hypocrisy. They love themselves much more than God’s creatures.

Mar 31, 2009 - 8:19 am 117. Mike:

More of Obama’s hipocracy at work. Does that man have any moral standing at all.

Mar 31, 2009 - 9:05 am 118. Idiots:

Vegetarians hate animals? WTF are you talking about? Do you even know any? These are two completely separate issues. Just because I “choose” to not eat meat, does not mean I want animals to cease to exist. That is so illogical I don’t even know where to begin.

“Don’t blame the cats. They didn’t ask to be here. It was some ignorant human that threw them away & was even to lazy to have them spayed or neutered.”

That pretty much sum’s it up. I don’t think anyone is naive enough to believe that animals will never have to be put down. So what if Peta had to put down the one’s they couldn’t find homes for? What else do you expect them to do with them? Maybe you should ask yourself why they’re there in the first place instead of laying the blame on the person cleaning up the mess.

Mar 31, 2009 - 9:18 am 119. Prevost1580:

Idiots^

Your post makes absolutely NO sense what so ever. Are you calling ME an idiot? pffftt. *Get a clue*

There is NO need to kill adoptable animals. I volunteer at a no kill shelter. If you are talking about PETA killing feral cats and saying that this is o.k, then you are as warped as PETA. TNR ( trap-neuter-return ) works for Feral cats. Peta does not support this but no kill shelters do because it is HUMANE & it works. Veternarians have tesified to this. And yes! Feral cats are a result of lazy, irresponsible humans. Who is cleaning up the as you call it > mess < No kill shelters are- Could you kill an animal that was perfectly healthy? just abandoned by someone who said that they would care for it until the end. Go ahead, it’s your afterlife.

WHO?! said that vegetarians HATE ANIMALS? Your post is total jibberish. I am a vegetarian & an animal lover but I have nothing against carnivores.

Again! this article is about PETA’s hypocrisy and them loving themselves more than animals.

Mar 31, 2009 - 9:55 am 120. Delia:

99. Normal Guy:

I am now dumber for having read all these comments.
~

That’s nothing on the headache I had for having participated in them.

Meanwhile…watching a few Andrew Zimmeran shows will make you not want to eat ANYTHING:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r4R4Wkdllk

Mar 31, 2009 - 9:55 am 121. momof3:

“Of course there are/were extinctions that occur naturally. There are, however, FAR more that have occured due to human influence. Any zoo website will tell you that. Think Buffalo”

Well this little statement is a bald-faced lie. For millions of years, millions of species have arisen and gone extinct. There were millions of different dinosaurs. NO species sticks around forever. Have we offed some? Sure. But no where near as many as nature has.

Mar 31, 2009 - 11:54 am 122. glenneroo:

i know this comes from peta blogs but still a worthy read to present another side of the story ::
http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php

Mar 31, 2009 - 12:22 pm 123. melissa:

Get the facts! Euthanasia is a last resort and in some cases only option for alot of the injured dogs & cats brought into PETA’s shelters. This type of pseudo-journalism does an injustice to not only animals, but mankind. I will continue to support PETA and my local shelter.

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php

Mar 31, 2009 - 12:43 pm 124. Paul -Indiana:

What ever happened to the PETA I came to love in the past year? All those exibitionist lovelies parading around in the better side of next to nude. BRING THEM BACK!!!!!!!!

Mar 31, 2009 - 1:26 pm 125. yehadut:

I can’t believe you’re spreading this propaganda funded by the meat industry. How can you for a moment seriously believe that an organization dedicated to helping animals are brutal killers? Come on, seriously now!

In fact, PETA does not have any animal shelter. They do spend millions in campaigns for people to adopt animals, to spay and neuter animals, and generally to reduce the number of animals killed each year.

Though they do not run shelters, they do take unadoptable animals who will be euthanized in a cruel way, and instead give them a humane death. This is what the PETA-haters have seized on. PETA’s attempts to ensure that animals who cannot find homes be spared a painful death by gunshot or gas. This is something to be lauded.

If they had the resources to care for these animals for life, of course they would do that. But they have limited resources and have to make hard decisions about what would save the most animals. They have already saved *billions*, so I have faith in their judgment calls — and even if you’d do it differently, they are certainly trying to do their best. They are neither hypocrites nor heartless. Save your indignation for the KFC and factory farms and puppy millions which horribly abuse and kill billions and billions of animals, and don’t pretend that consideration for animals is behind your PETA-bashing.

Mar 31, 2009 - 2:40 pm 126. marie:

http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php?c=ptwit
Seriously people need to use the internet, and not trust huge corporations for studies in information like this.

Mar 31, 2009 - 3:26 pm 127. aircrashbureau:

I don’t know whether this story is true or not.
What bothers me is that the majority of organisations like PETA and their supporters are not so much concerned with the actual welfare of animals as they are with showing how moraly “right” they are.

Mar 31, 2009 - 5:13 pm 128. Most all of you are morons!:

If you’re going to be a meat eater then at least investigate humanely raised farm animals like Prather Ranch where animals are allowed NORMAL lives for their kind and HUMANELY SLAUGHTERED 1 AT A TIME so the terror, fear and last moments on earth aren’t like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Yes, you can buy over the internet and yes, it costs more than your local supermarket but if you honestly care about lessening the suffering of sentient beings due to your carnivorous habits (and no, mankind was not meant to be meat eaters we don’t have canines which are for ripping raw meat apart) then break open your wallet & pocketbook, spend a few shekels more, and get over your assanine opinions. The great majority of you are a bunch of bloated hot air bags like Rush Limbaugh.

Mar 31, 2009 - 5:25 pm 129. Hey hey hey!:

You can associate PETA with liberalism. When you’re nuts, you’re nuts, and PETA is friggin nuts.

Mar 31, 2009 - 9:22 pm 130. Vigor:

I love the smell of bacon in the morning!! Tofu, not so much….

Mar 31, 2009 - 9:36 pm 131. Lianne:

It’s disingenuous, to say the least, for the deceitfully-named Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) to complain about the number of unwanted and suffering animals whom PETA has been forced to euthanize because their guardians requested it, or because no good homes exist for them.

CCF is a front group for Philip Morris, Outback Steakhouse, KFC, cattle ranchers, and other animal exploiters who kill millions of animals every year, not out of compassion, but out of greed. CCF promotes meat-eating and defends corporations that send billions of cows, chickens, pigs, and other animals to terrifying, gruesome, and painful deaths in slaughterhouses.

PETA handled far more animals than 2,124 in 2008. In fact, we took in more than 10,000 dogs and cats, spaying and neutering all of them at low to no cost. We gave them shots, fixed their wounds and treated their illnesses, and returned them to the community. Most of the animals we took in and euthanized could hardly be called “pets,” as they had spent their lives on heavy chains, for instance. They were unsocialized, never having been inside a building of any kind or known a pat on the head. Others were indeed someone’s, but they were aged, sick, injured, dying, too aggressive to place, and the like, and PETA offered them a release from suffering, with no charge to their owners or custodians.

Those figures also do not include the hundreds upon hundreds of dogs and cats whose suffering PETA works to alleviate by providing them with free food when their owners are poor, clean water buckets, sturdy dog houses, straw for winter, and more, or the hundreds of adoptable dogs and cats we will not take in but refer to walk-in animal shelters and adoption centers. Since 2001, PETA’s low- to no-cost spay-and-neuter mobile clinics, SNIP and ABC, have sterilized more than 50,000 animals, preventing hundreds of thousands of animals from being born, neglected, abandoned, abused, or euthanized when no one wanted them. We also actively decrease the number of animals who end up in animal shelters only to be euthanized for lack of good homes by using star power to promote spaying and neutering in ads across the country.
On a national level, PETA is focusing on the root of the problem through our Animal Birth Control (ABC) campaign. The ABC campaign targets breeders, pet stores, and cat- and dog-breeding mills and in an active way through protests, PSAs, celebrity support, and investigations and puts the blame for the overpopulation crisis squarely where it belongs—with those who breed animals or allow their animals to breed. As long as animals are bred, homeless dogs and cats in animal shelters will die because there simply aren’t enough good homes for them all.

As long as animals are still be purposely bred and people aren’t spaying and neutering their companions, open-admission animal shelters and organizations like PETA must do society’s dirty work. Euthanasia is not a solution to overpopulation but rather a tragic necessity given the present crisis. PETA is proud to be a “shelter of last resort,” where animals who have no place to go or who are unwanted or suffering are welcomed with love and open arms.

You can read more about this in Ingrid Newkirk’s last blog: http://blog.peta.org/archives/2009/03/why_we_euthaniz.php

Apr 1, 2009 - 8:52 am 132. Shane:

So why do two other local shelters, who also have the policy of never turning animals away, have adoption rates of 60% or better?

And why does PeTA use adoption intake forms if these animals are specifically being brought in to be euthanized? VDACS policy is not to use intake forms for animals expressly brought in for euthanasia, as that’s a vet service.

Apr 1, 2009 - 9:28 am 133. momof3:

Anyone who thinks PETA is not wack needs to read this little link of theirs, about their leader’s Will:

http://www.peta.org/feat/newkirk/will.html

That’s just psycho, no two ways about it.

Apr 1, 2009 - 10:52 am 134. Sebastian Shaw:

I lose respect for musicians I admire when they hook up with these nuts for publicity purposes. Their protests are hyperbole & their ideas are just plain kooky.

“Drink beer, not milk” is one of these lame campaigns made on college campuses.

Someone should mail a very large box of living cockroaches to PETA’s main office. Will they exterminate the cockroaches?

Apr 1, 2009 - 12:19 pm 135. Ginger:

I think I can shed a little light on this issue.

Statewide in 2006, Virginia shelters reported euthanizing 116,695 animals, of 243,371 not reclaimed by their owners (or 47.9%). http://www.virginia.gov/vdacs_ar/cgi-bin/Vdacs_search.cgi However, when the Norfolk, Virginia SPCA implemented a new selective-admission policy, the burden of unwanted animals increased for neighboring shelters. In 2004, the Norfolk SPCA took in only 1.7 percent of all homeless animals; or 765 out of 45,450 animals. http://www.helpinganimals.com/spay_turnAwayShelter.asp

As far as rescue related activities, PETA provides free housing and spay/neuter services to local communities. They have delivered straw and hundreds of free dog houses; rescued dogs and cats and paid for their veterinary care. PETA built a cat shelter in an area where cats had been abandoned to breed and they are building a new local shelter. http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/f-nc.asp

In 2000, PETA was invited to help animals in North Carolina by a police officer who was distraught over the suffering in area animal shelters. Some were nothing more than exposed, unheated or cooled shacks that left animals to either drown or freeze. PETA began assisting shelters with cleaning, adoptions, training staff, providing supplies, conducting cruelty investigations and providing adequate shelter as well as humane euthanasia. They have spent over $300,000 on services to NC shelters. Many pounds in the area had no adoption programs or even operating hours. Unwanted animals were either shot, gassed in windowless metal boxes or injected with a paralytic agent that caused them to slowly die of suffocation. http://www.HelpingAnimals.com/f-nc.asp See also, pictures of animals in NC. http://www.helpinganimals.com/spay_turnAwayShelters_animalsHomes.asp

Over 250,000 homeless animals are killed in NC shelters annually. More than 30 NC shelters still use gas chambers and other inhumane methods, even though less than 1% use gas chambers nationwide. http://ncche.com/ Witnesses have seen animals struggling and wailing for up to ten minutes before death. Some bite themselves and each other in panic and beat their heads against chamber walls, choking and vomiting. Inhalation of gasses is not approved for baby, very old, sick or pregnant animals since they may not be able to inhale enough to die. Yet, in NC they are often gassed together. http://petloverstips.com/ForTheLoveoftheDog/news-updates/nc-gas-chamber-explodes-with-10-dogs-inside One of the biggest proponents for gas chamber use in NC is Dr. Ralph Houser, DVM. Many credit Dr. Houser for the reluctance of the state’s Board of Agriculture to ban gas chambers. http://www.animallawcoalition.com/gas-chambers/article/562 Dr. Houser not only advocates for gas chambers, he manufactures and sells them. He is also on the board of the NC Animal Rabies Control Association. http://www.ncarca.com/boardmembers.asp According to NC Commission for Humane Euthanasia, recent inspections show some gas chambers have leaked high levels of carbon monoxide and endangered county employees. Three county employees operating gas chambers in North Carolina have died in recent years. http://www.animallawcoalition.com/gas-chambers/article/562

Propaganda like Melissa Clouthier’s is being generated by corporate front groups like CCF and breeder lobbies like the American Kennel Club. The AKC lobbies against humane legislation as in spay/neuter, mandatory breeding standards, licensing fees and dog tethering laws in every jurisdiction in the country. In 2006, the AKC registered 870,000 individual dogs and 416,000 litters. At $20 per dog and $25 per litter (plus $2 per puppy) the AKC brought in well over $30 million in revenues from puppy mills. Litters from puppy mills are the AKC’s largest source of income. http://network.bestfriends.org/Blogs/PostDetail.aspx?bp=2820 So, the AKC takes in almost as much puppy mill revenue as PETA does from donations.

On August 12, 2008, two PA puppy mill operators killed their entire kennel population of 80 dogs after wardens ordered dozens of their animals to receive veterinary exams. After receiving a poor inspection report on July 24, Elmer Zimmerman shot his 70 small breed dogs and threw them into a compost pile; according to state officials. His brother, Ammon Zimmerman, who operated a kennel next door, shot his own 10 dogs at about the same time. During the inspection on July 24, wardens found, in addition to the skin infections, 19 other violations. They issued citations for maintenance, extreme heat, insufficient bedding, and wire flooring that allowed dogs’ feet to fall through. http://www.philly.com/inquirer/business/20080813_Berks_kennel_owners_kill_their_80_dogs

Center for Consumer Freedom is a front group for the restaurant, alcohol and tobacco industries. Over 40% of the group’s 2005 expenditure was paid to Rick Berman’s PR company, Berman & Co. http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2005/260/006/2005-260006579-02ba11cf-9.pdf CCF was also instrumental in making sure that minimum wage did not increase one penny for ten years.

PETA was looking out for backyard dogs sitting alone in the rain on logging chains before anyone else. I am glad they are out there protesting the AKC, puppy mills and bunchers who steal dogs from yards and neighborhoods for labs and dissection. I am glad they are a thorn in the side of the corrupt factory farming, fur and vivisection industries. Furthermore, I have volunteered for shelters, rescued dozens of animals, paid for their medical care, found homes for some and kept many others. I have volunteered for no kills, only to see that vast majority of animals turned away or taken to the pound, where I have volunteered also. It’s a viscous and depressing cycle, which anyone who has ever worked in a shelter can attest to. That is why I am most proud of my activism and feel it is just as vital, if not more so than rescue. I think the real question is, why are not more rescues engaged in it? What, I wonder does ambitious Ann Coulter style hate and fear monger Melissa Clouthier do for animals?

As a resident of North Carolina, I would like to express my disgust at this article, the blogger, Melissa Clouthier and Pajamas Media. Truly, you epitomize what has deservedly become known as the ”culture of hate”.

Apr 1, 2009 - 2:18 pm 136. Ginger:

Corrected link for Zimmerman puppy mill killing – http://www.dmpuppylove.com/Puppymills/ZimmermanSlaughter.html

Apr 1, 2009 - 2:47 pm 137. Sebastian Shaw:

Ginger, you did not refute the article itself. Again, you’re trying to change the subject because you cannot refute that PETA has killed millions more animals it claims to save.

Otherwise, you are a true Kool-Aide drinker who is so “open-minded” you brain seems to have fallen out & left your body. Close your skull, please. There is such a thing as being so “open-minded,” you cannot think for yourself anymore. In Voodoo, we call them Zombies.

PETA is a terrorist organization cloaked as a free animal society. PETA would not exist without its ludicrous PR campaigns.

Apr 1, 2009 - 6:05 pm 138. erik:

Sebastian, i am going to be frank with you. One, arguing on the internet rarely accomplishes anything. Two you hardly seem to think for your self, you take this article at face value, it is so obviously biased. Should Peta euthanize? no. does Peta save thousands of animals by turning people to vegetarianism? yes and no. Peta2 is a much better example, Peta itself seems to have become desperate, has ill connotation and needs to freshen its standards and act. Read animal farm by George Orwell it is close to the situation with Peta these day, although much more dramatic. Peta still saves many more animals than they kill, but that doesn’t make the killing any less sad. And for the meat eater, how can you care about these animals so much but don’t bat an eyelash at factory farms or the billions of slaughtered cattle. you are hear simply to slander Peta, not to help the animals.

Apr 1, 2009 - 6:35 pm 139. Ginger:

Sebastian,

Melissa Clouthier’s article is a straw man argument. There are similar tirades on every AKC breeder site on the internet.

Naturally, no one wishes to euthanize healthy animals. However, between 3 and 4 million animals are euthanized every year in the United States. Childish insults and tirades against animal rights groups who campaign for the only solutions (breeding restrictions and spay neuter laws) will not change this. PETA has euthanized thousands of animals who were already doomed. They have also saved millions from unimaginable pain and suffering through their campaigns. Naturally, this has created a backlash in our increasing nasty, greedy and money mad country. For example, Tyson foods is a major supplier of McDonald’s and KFC, as well as a client of CCF. Does it surprise you that CCF goes after PETA rather than Tyson or McDonalds?

In separate investigations in 2007, PETA’s investigator documented Tyson Foods workers urinating on live chickens. http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/tortured_by_tyson Tyson’s operations in both the U.S. and Canada have substandard wages, benefits and work place standards and safety; particularly for immigrants. During a strike in Alberta Canada by workers imported by Tyson from the Sudan; local police stood by as replacement workers and Tyson management physically and verbally assaulted strikers with racial insults. Several strikers were beaten with metal pipes and left injured in a ditch before being taken to the hospital. http://www.ufcw.org/press_room/index.cfm?pressReleaseID=183 During a period of time when his company was demanding wage and benefit cuts from impoverished meatpacking workers, John Tyson’s annual compensation nearly tripled. Former CEO, Donald John Tyson was paid $20.9 million in the year 2003. http://www.thenation.com/doc/20040712/schlosser

For years PETA pleaded with McDonald’s to treat its’ animals more humanely. Federal standards require that 100 percent of cows be fully stunned before they are skinned. However, according to a McDonald’s training video it is “acceptable” if five cows in every 100 are conscious while skinned and dismembered. (The real error rate may be far more than 5 percent.) The USDA also recommends that chickens have at least 2 square feet of space, while McDonald’s suppliers allow only .55 square feet. This is not even sufficient space to spread a wing. Birds are bred to grow so large that their legs can’t bear the weight and suffer painful leg deformities. http://www.celsias.com/article/old-mcdonald-had-a-factory/ McDonald’s own live stock consultant (who has designed meat processing plants for nearly half the cattle in North America) indicated that with almost no effort, McDonald’s could require suppliers to hire two stunners to markedly decrease the number of animals who are skinned and dismembered alive. The company chose not to do so. It was only after years of failed private negotiation that they launched their “McCruelty” campain. http://www.wisebread.com/the-cost-of-meat-the-market-demand-argument McDonald’s spends two billion a year on advertising its junk food.

Corruption, animal atrocities, corporate scandal, food safety violations and physical assaults on workers; but who is Melissa Clothier wringing her hands over? Abused, homeless animals destined for the gas chamber being ethanized by painless injection. I would suggest some people need to get out of their gated communities now and then and volunteer for a shelter. Better yet, go visit a slaughterhouse instead of getting information from front groups for meat companies. Time would be better spent trying to achieve spay neuter, breeding restrictions and humane animal care; rather than jumping on the bandwagon for silly, straw man arguments from angry, neurotic Ann Coulter wanna be’s.

Apr 2, 2009 - 7:08 am 140. mb:

Arguments regarding animal mistreatment are specious in this thread on PETA, as PETA is not an animal treatment advocacy group. PETA is an extreme progressive left group, which seeks to devalue human life and make it morally equivalent to animal life. PETA doesn’t give a rat’s butt about animal treatment: it want to dehumanize humans.

There are rational groups working the animal mistreatment issue. PETA is not one of them.

By the way, men have been killing and slaughtering and skinning animals for thousands of years. We do so more efficiently and humanely in the modern age than ever. The citations given above regarding Tysons and McDonalds and KFC all need a large fact and reality check.

Apr 2, 2009 - 10:40 am 141. Ginger:

Obviously, they are an animal treatment advocacy group as they advocate for the treatment of animals. It is ridiculous to contest a fact which can be easily verified by following a link. There are hundreds or thousands of other examples; but you would actually have to read them (thereby short circuiting your brain, no doubt). The majority of their campaigns advocate for improved conditions for animals. So what if they hold vegetarianism as the ideal. Suddenly, that is “leftist?” There are plenty of vegetarians who consider themselves conservative, like Matthew Scully, author of “Dominion: The Power of Man, the Suffering of Animals” and “Call to Mercy”. He was George Bush’s former speechwriter.

Straw man arguments and childish rhetoric are all propagandists and their mindless minions have to fall back on when confronted with reality. People like you are the witless dupes of the corporations who abuse humans, animals and the environment by pitting one group against another. The same groups that abuse animals also campaign against labor unions, wage increases, health benefits and human rights. You also reveal your ignorance and lack of sincere interest in the matter when you refer to factory farms and slaughterhouses as “humane”. Even strong critics of animal rights and PETA will at least acknowledge that modern day “agribusiness” is extremely cruel.

Apr 2, 2009 - 12:40 pm 142. RoaR28:

Why can’t 2 groups of people in a free society choose to believe in different things,and get over it…in no way,at any time is the whole world going to think or be one way…but we all have the choice,to choose to do/be or not…so get over your selves…

Apr 3, 2009 - 5:54 am 143. Spurwing Plover:

PETA their so absolutly stupid and brainless only a jerk would have anuything to do with them

Apr 3, 2009 - 2:44 pm 144. Oldguy:

PETA’s treatment of animals in its care reminds me of Ms Sanger’s abortion solution for blacks.

Apr 5, 2009 - 8:04 am 145. heather:

Delia -

First of all, get rid of your attitude – cause it’s OBVIOUS that no one on this site likes it.. and it’s completely obvious that you don’t know what in the world you’re talking about – just stereotyping anyone that doesn’t eat meat – how ignorant of you.

let’s stereotype you for a minute (just to see how it may feel) – did you fall under the “god” spell? have you hidden your face in your bible from time to time and actually believe that its the word from god? or – you actually believe that some man that got here (who knows how) and created our world in 7 days? makes sense right? well – you’re coming off to me as a religious fanatic that just hates anyone that believes in anything thats REAL and that we have SCIENTIFIC facts for. and that thinks that god created things for us to use — for example — the earth (why not rape it and take it for all its nutrients, right? cause it was put on earth for humans – right?), or perhaps animals (they taste so amazing, and they were put here on earth for humans to pump with chemicals, slaughter, torture – we might as well, right?) – disgusting.

FOR EXAMPLE – GLOBAL WARMING – it’s people like you that i can not stand. IT’S NOT PROPOGANDA – look at any scientific study on it – you’ll see.. read a book for once or something. it’s people like you that make me feel hopeless that humans will start treating this earth right. i’m not blaming the drastic climate change in the past 50 years completely on humans – any educated person will know that it’s not compeltely humans doing this. our earth goes through cycles of heating and cooling periods, completely natural cycle. but – humans are excelerating it.

another thing – as far as CAT food – i DO NOT feed my cats only vegetables – thanks though, another nice little stereotype you made (notice.. people that make stereotypes, it’s just because they are ignorant – you must feel awesome about yourself for being that way, huh?)

keep living a destructive life, delia. i’m pretty much saying that due to your view on how humans aren’t heating our earth up, oh – and your terrible stereo-typing. as far as animals, like i said – i can’t change the worlds views, and i don’t expect everyone to live the life that i choose.. only hope.

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:07 am 146. heather:

VintageShake –

“I don’t understand why people have to be classified so harshly- we are all people, who make our own decisions in life. Every one of you right-wingers is just like me, with a minor tweaking of your opinions and lifestyle… so what?”

i couldn’t agree more – kudos on that thinking process!

Apr 5, 2009 - 9:11 am 147. AshummsLies:

WTH?? Wow, I never knew there were so many dickheads in the world D:<

But I’m still wondering why they’re not shut down…

Apr 6, 2009 - 9:03 pm 148. bath mats rugs:

PETA’s treatment of animals in its care reminds me of Ms Sanger’s The Most Popular Personal Watercraft- Jet Ski
abortion solution for blacks.

Apr 15, 2009 - 1:33 am 149. Leftie The Mut:

PETA is not a political group in any sense, why do people always want to lump everything into left or right wing politics? I’m a gay liberal, I eat meat, I wear leather shoes, and I don’t agree with PETA and how it operates.

If you stop to think about what this group is trying to accomplish, however, you can start to see why they would do something like this. PETA IS AGAINST PET OWNERSHIP. Having 2 dogs myself (and 3 on weekdays), I can say I’ve encountered a lot of individuals who simply don’t like dogs, really just think of them as pests or wild animals. They don’t get the bond the rest of us have. IMHO, PETA is full of these people.

Apr 24, 2009 - 3:20 pm 150. Spurwing Plover:

At one time we had lots of animals CATS,DOGS,CHICKENS,PIGEONS,RABBITS, A SHEEP and they all were well cared for and as for PETA they would have killed all the animals and left them in dumpsters

Jun 22, 2009 - 8:56 am 151. Bill:

Let’s hope that people keep the best intrest of the animals in mind! They are wonderful freinds.

Jun 30, 2009 - 5:07 pm 152. Tor Hershman:

Most amusing

Aug 2, 2009 - 3:31 pm 153. Dave:

its funny cause cats hate water

Aug 4, 2009 - 11:20 am 154. Birdzilla:

PETA blabbers compssion in their stupid ads but have killed 95% of the animals they have adopted DO YOU CALL THAT COMPASSION?

Aug 25, 2009 - 10:26 pm 155. Donnie Mac Leod:

The answer in my opinion:: Personal subjectivity that crosses the line & becomes hypocrisy when a person condemns hunting for meat and supports killing legless geese, as if one is morally superior to the other. This whole charade is driven by people that want to pretend they are more evolved then the base humans that eat meat or use animals to benefit mankind. The real concern for animals is actually secondary when one weighs the facts about AR side of this issue. Humans are the only factor in natural control of herds and packs that seek, HUMANE kills. No other killer in natural control of herds, flocks & packs, seek such kills. Ditto : domesticated animal kills which are guided by Animal Welfare laws to see humane standards. No such laws are sought by ARA proponents in harvesting their crops of fields where billions of animals are killed without one animal welfare law. The AR folk, want to believe they have reached Angelic Nirvana by folding their arms and ignoring the decimation of herds by over populated wolves that rip calves from the mother elk/caribou/deer/bison or moose, birth canal . They turn blind eyes upon the devastation of long term suffering caused by starvation , contagion or winter kill which was generated by over burdened herds not having enough food available in the fall to carry them through winter months. The objectivity of ARA folk is tainted by their subjective hypocrisy. Animal suffering is increased because of those factors opposed to Wildlife management which humans attempt through humane standards of hunting which is much less cruel then natures other solutions for controlling over populations. Where are their the cries against capitalist production of the meat industry in relation to the COMPLETE silence offered towards the capitalist crop farming giants of that industry whose sprays, pollutants, machinery under no animal welfare laws,kill billions of animals??..

Sep 5, 2009 - 5:01 am 156. T:

Good point, Ray. But these ‘advocates’ have such a large voice. Who is there to help the pets should they be cited or held liable?

Sep 11, 2009 - 11:23 pm 157. Slavica Mazak Beslic:

Main problem on the Earth is not PETA,but it is :
humans Overpopulation and Abusing ALL animals , because all human – animals and all non-human animals have an EQUAL Right to live free – because they are all persons in fact , by deffinition of person.

Life is life whether in a cat, or dog ,or cows , or man, or rabbits, or horses or lambs, or wolves , or lions , or chickens .There is no difference there between them all.The idea of difference is a human concepcion for man`s own advantage .If all sentient beings ARE persons- and they ARE in fact , and if all persons have an EQUAL Right to live free, not only some of all these animal species of the Earth- then ALL killings must be stopped, because the killing person is the crime .

The text in article against PETA could be true, but it could be just more one tendention and a part of a special war against NGO too . But doesn`t metter : what is target of this article against PETA , doesn`t metter if or not writer of this article was ( or has been payed ) payed by owners of meat industry or fur-industry , we wrote the facts in our text here.
Hope you understood my English, even if you not , the facts are too clear and they say everything .
It is necessary to stop all killings and abusings and to stop homo sapiens sapiens Overpopulation – or homo sapiens will destroy this Planet.These are facts .
VEGAN`S life styl , not vegetarian`s ,but only VEGAN`S , could rescue this Planet!

Friend-EPAR/OIPA Serbia/Alliance for Animal Rights
24000 Subotica, Serbia

Sep 22, 2009 - 9:06 am

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