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	<title>Comments on: Raging Over California&#8217;s Gay Marriage Proposition</title>
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		<title>By: Berlet98</title>
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		<dc:creator>Berlet98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 05:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PROP 8 UPDATE: HOMOSEXUALS RESORT TO (MORE) THREATS OF VIOLENCE

“Burn in hell.” “Consider yourself lucky. If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter.” “I just wanted to call and let you know what a great picture that was of you and the other Nazi’s [sic] in the newspaper….Don’t worry though, we have plans for you and your friends.”

The above are just a few of the threats received by supporters of last November’s Proposition 8 in California as reported by CNSNews.com:  http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=41735. 

The reader may recall that Prop 8 was a proposal to amend California’s Constitution to protect and insure the sanctity of marriage with these 14 words:  “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” Amazingly, especially for liberal Californians, the measure passed resoundingly by a margin of almost 600,000 votes, or 52.3 % to 47.7%.

(Lest anyone think the Left-Coasters were in a Yea-happy, conservative mood on November 4th, five other propositions went down to defeat of the twelve on the ballot, including Proposition 4 which would have mandated parental notification before aborting a minor’s baby and Prop 5, designed to beef up law enforcement:  http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm.)

That should have been it, right?  The people had spoken, loudly and unambiguously through a fair and valid constitutional initiative and voted against homosexual marriage in the state of California.  Unfortunately, that did not put an end to the controversial movement to permit same sex couples to marry; it was just the beginning.

Immediately following passage, gays took to the streets to protest the measure, protests which are entirely legal and permissible in our great country.  What wasn’t legal and permissible was the nature of those protests, detailed previously here in various articles, including this piece which recounts the despicable abuse of straight rights in the name of gay rights:  http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=645....

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PROP 8 UPDATE: HOMOSEXUALS RESORT TO (MORE) THREATS OF VIOLENCE</p>
<p>“Burn in hell.” “Consider yourself lucky. If I had a gun I would have gunned you down along with each and every other supporter.” “I just wanted to call and let you know what a great picture that was of you and the other Nazi’s [sic] in the newspaper….Don’t worry though, we have plans for you and your friends.”</p>
<p>The above are just a few of the threats received by supporters of last November’s Proposition 8 in California as reported by CNSNews.com:  <a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=41735" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=41735</a>. </p>
<p>The reader may recall that Prop 8 was a proposal to amend California’s Constitution to protect and insure the sanctity of marriage with these 14 words:  “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” Amazingly, especially for liberal Californians, the measure passed resoundingly by a margin of almost 600,000 votes, or 52.3 % to 47.7%.</p>
<p>(Lest anyone think the Left-Coasters were in a Yea-happy, conservative mood on November 4th, five other propositions went down to defeat of the twelve on the ballot, including Proposition 4 which would have mandated parental notification before aborting a minor’s baby and Prop 5, designed to beef up law enforcement:  <a href="http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm" rel="nofollow">http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm</a> <a href="http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm.)" rel="nofollow">http://vote.sos.ca.gov/Returns/props/59.htm.)</a></p>
<p>That should have been it, right?  The people had spoken, loudly and unambiguously through a fair and valid constitutional initiative and voted against homosexual marriage in the state of California.  Unfortunately, that did not put an end to the controversial movement to permit same sex couples to marry; it was just the beginning.</p>
<p>Immediately following passage, gays took to the streets to protest the measure, protests which are entirely legal and permissible in our great country.  What wasn’t legal and permissible was the nature of those protests, detailed previously here in various articles, including this piece which recounts the despicable abuse of straight rights in the name of gay rights:  <a href="http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=645..." rel="nofollow">http://www.genelalor.com/blog1/?p=645&#8230;</a>.</p>
<p>(Read the rest of this article at <a href="http://genelalor.com/.)" rel="nofollow">http://genelalor.com/.)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 10:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;consider how you would feel if the government dictated who you could marry. How would you feel about such an intrusion into a very personal decision?&quot;

The State already dictates who can marry, by virtue of age laws (minors cannot consent) and relation closeness (brother and sister, 1st cousins, etc, cannot marry.)  The reasons are based on health, especially where it relates to procreation.  This is a vital key, as it is focused on the purpose.  When children are born, marriage defines paternity in many states.  If you redefine the parameters of marriage, you affect the purpose.  If a child is born to a partner of a same sex couple (one partner as both cannot create a biological child together), marriage of same sex couples could then, by definition, eliminate the rights of the other biological parent, by declaring the other same sex partner as the legal parent.  This also infringes on the rights of the child, as each person has a right to have knowledge of both parents.  THIS IS A HEALTH ISSUE!!!  If a child never knows of his other parent, they could stumble into a sexual relationship with a half sibling, inadvertantly.  This is why many recipients of sperm donation have begun to seek out the other children of the same sperm donor.  Do you have any idea of the genetic anomolies that occur from a sibling sexual relationship? 

Consequently, understanding marriage is a matter of understanding its purpose in society.  Go to www.usconstition.org and search on marriage.  It explains the history of marriage.  It will answer a number of questions.  Marriage is a right...but it is a right for the sake of the children produced by that union, not solely for the two parties.  To ignore this important purpose redefines the fabric of society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;consider how you would feel if the government dictated who you could marry. How would you feel about such an intrusion into a very personal decision?&#8221;</p>
<p>The State already dictates who can marry, by virtue of age laws (minors cannot consent) and relation closeness (brother and sister, 1st cousins, etc, cannot marry.)  The reasons are based on health, especially where it relates to procreation.  This is a vital key, as it is focused on the purpose.  When children are born, marriage defines paternity in many states.  If you redefine the parameters of marriage, you affect the purpose.  If a child is born to a partner of a same sex couple (one partner as both cannot create a biological child together), marriage of same sex couples could then, by definition, eliminate the rights of the other biological parent, by declaring the other same sex partner as the legal parent.  This also infringes on the rights of the child, as each person has a right to have knowledge of both parents.  THIS IS A HEALTH ISSUE!!!  If a child never knows of his other parent, they could stumble into a sexual relationship with a half sibling, inadvertantly.  This is why many recipients of sperm donation have begun to seek out the other children of the same sperm donor.  Do you have any idea of the genetic anomolies that occur from a sibling sexual relationship? </p>
<p>Consequently, understanding marriage is a matter of understanding its purpose in society.  Go to <a href="http://www.usconstition.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.usconstition.org</a> and search on marriage.  It explains the history of marriage.  It will answer a number of questions.  Marriage is a right&#8230;but it is a right for the sake of the children produced by that union, not solely for the two parties.  To ignore this important purpose redefines the fabric of society.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Little</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the sodom and gomorrah outcry is loud and their sin is very grievous. I will now go down and see whether their behaviour is like the outcry that has reached Me; and if not, I will know</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the sodom and gomorrah outcry is loud and their sin is very grievous. I will now go down and see whether their behaviour is like the outcry that has reached Me; and if not, I will know</p>
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		<title>By: Women hear me roar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Women hear me roar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it Justice Roberts who was maligned because he didn&#039;t want to take his children to disneyland during &quot;gay week&quot;?  Well, if you even look at the censured version you would know why.  It&#039;s disgusting!  They can do what they want in the privacy of their homes...  I can&#039;t even imagine taking anyone let alone children into such a den. Too bad he didn&#039;t have these pictures to pass around in the senate committee (but then maybe barney would get off on it).  
What a world we live in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it Justice Roberts who was maligned because he didn&#8217;t want to take his children to disneyland during &#8220;gay week&#8221;?  Well, if you even look at the censured version you would know why.  It&#8217;s disgusting!  They can do what they want in the privacy of their homes&#8230;  I can&#8217;t even imagine taking anyone let alone children into such a den. Too bad he didn&#8217;t have these pictures to pass around in the senate committee (but then maybe barney would get off on it).<br />
What a world we live in!</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kurt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought conservatives were opposed to the concept of mob rule. We&#039;re a republic, not a democracy. Etc.

I guess I was wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought conservatives were opposed to the concept of mob rule. We&#8217;re a republic, not a democracy. Etc.</p>
<p>I guess I was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

This isn’t just about discrimination, bigotry, or hate. The people that voted yes have real concerns about the legal implications of gay marriage, that don’t necessarily come from hatred of gay people. Many that voted yes didn&#039;t vote to stop gay people from marrying- they voted against state law interfering with their churches and schools. You might not agree with them, but you need to really think about what discrimination means.

I asked some &quot;yes on 8&quot; people about their reasons for voting that way. Take a few minutes to listen to why people disagree with you. I posted the interviews here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.discovertheuser.com/prop8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.discovertheuser.com/prop8&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>This isn’t just about discrimination, bigotry, or hate. The people that voted yes have real concerns about the legal implications of gay marriage, that don’t necessarily come from hatred of gay people. Many that voted yes didn&#8217;t vote to stop gay people from marrying- they voted against state law interfering with their churches and schools. You might not agree with them, but you need to really think about what discrimination means.</p>
<p>I asked some &#8220;yes on 8&#8243; people about their reasons for voting that way. Take a few minutes to listen to why people disagree with you. I posted the interviews here: <a href="http://www.discovertheuser.com/prop8" rel="nofollow">http://www.discovertheuser.com/prop8</a></p>
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		<title>By: Denny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember the book &quot;Animal Farm&quot;?  The whole point of the well funded, lawyer-driven gay agenda is to make gays &quot;more equal&quot; than the rest of us.  They already have civil unions, calling it &quot;marriage&quot; is simply to eradicate the milleniums old Christian belief in marriage as the basic unit of society.  Similar to the push to make America basically an explicitly secular country.  Anything goes, without God-given rights, might makes right.  Note the recent thuggery by gays, intimidation tactics by the left in general.  Wake up and speak up, America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember the book &#8220;Animal Farm&#8221;?  The whole point of the well funded, lawyer-driven gay agenda is to make gays &#8220;more equal&#8221; than the rest of us.  They already have civil unions, calling it &#8220;marriage&#8221; is simply to eradicate the milleniums old Christian belief in marriage as the basic unit of society.  Similar to the push to make America basically an explicitly secular country.  Anything goes, without God-given rights, might makes right.  Note the recent thuggery by gays, intimidation tactics by the left in general.  Wake up and speak up, America!</p>
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		<title>By: Random Thoughts &#187; Prop 8 and marriage: What&#8217;s in a name?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Thoughts &#187; Prop 8 and marriage: What&#8217;s in a name?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] marriage between people of the same gender is a constitutional right. John Stephenson details the legal wrangling bound to occur over this measure.  I&#8217;m honestly having trouble understanding how anyone has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] marriage between people of the same gender is a constitutional right. John Stephenson details the legal wrangling bound to occur over this measure.  I&#8217;m honestly having trouble understanding how anyone has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laura H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is not just about two people in love. It&#039;s a social contract and institution for the protection of children, as well as for the promotion of a healthy society. Sociologists and psychologists agree that children need both a father and a mother for optimal development. While no law can guarantee that a father and mother will raise their children with perfect love, there should NEVER be a law that guarantees some unfortunate children MUST be deprived of the love of both a father and mother because they were adopted by a gay couple. Men and women are different and give different love and guidance to their children. Both are needed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is not just about two people in love. It&#8217;s a social contract and institution for the protection of children, as well as for the promotion of a healthy society. Sociologists and psychologists agree that children need both a father and a mother for optimal development. While no law can guarantee that a father and mother will raise their children with perfect love, there should NEVER be a law that guarantees some unfortunate children MUST be deprived of the love of both a father and mother because they were adopted by a gay couple. Men and women are different and give different love and guidance to their children. Both are needed!</p>
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		<title>By: Lark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 03:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If marriage is a right rather than a social contract, the state, in allowing religious organizations to opt out of performing same-sex marriages, would be upholding a right while allowing a segment of the population to violate that right. Paradox, anyone?

Love the Canadian bandwagon argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If marriage is a right rather than a social contract, the state, in allowing religious organizations to opt out of performing same-sex marriages, would be upholding a right while allowing a segment of the population to violate that right. Paradox, anyone?</p>
<p>Love the Canadian bandwagon argument.</p>
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