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	<title>Comments on: Remember Three Mile Island? Forget It</title>
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		<title>By: Bill N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pee Wee (#32), The armed guards ruse is one of the many successful ploys used by the nonukenicks to kill nuclear power.  It runs like this:

Nonukenick: &quot;Nuclear waste can&#039;t be stored safely!&quot;

Nuclear Engineer:  &quot;Yes it can.&quot;

NN:  &quot;But if some terrorist gets his hands on it he can make a dirty bomb!  It needs to be guarded!&quot;

NE:  &quot;Sigh.  OK, it&#039;s a trivial cost compared to the time we&#039;re wasting on this discussion.  We&#039;ll spring for two armed guards in perpetuity.&quot;

NN:  &quot;OK, put it in writing.&quot;

[The agreement is announced as policy]

NN:  &quot;Nuclear waste is so dangerous that even the experts admit that it needs armed guards for 92 million years!  BAD, bad, bad!!!!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pee Wee (#32), The armed guards ruse is one of the many successful ploys used by the nonukenicks to kill nuclear power.  It runs like this:</p>
<p>Nonukenick: &#8220;Nuclear waste can&#8217;t be stored safely!&#8221;</p>
<p>Nuclear Engineer:  &#8220;Yes it can.&#8221;</p>
<p>NN:  &#8220;But if some terrorist gets his hands on it he can make a dirty bomb!  It needs to be guarded!&#8221;</p>
<p>NE:  &#8220;Sigh.  OK, it&#8217;s a trivial cost compared to the time we&#8217;re wasting on this discussion.  We&#8217;ll spring for two armed guards in perpetuity.&#8221;</p>
<p>NN:  &#8220;OK, put it in writing.&#8221;</p>
<p>[The agreement is announced as policy]</p>
<p>NN:  &#8220;Nuclear waste is so dangerous that even the experts admit that it needs armed guards for 92 million years!  BAD, bad, bad!!!!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill N</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/remember-three-mile-island-forget-it/comment-page-1/#comment-233780</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myth Buster (#27),  You&#039;ve got it just backwards.  The longer the half live the slower the decay and the less heat produced per minute, making the temperature lower.  If you start with a million radioactive atoms with a half life of 1 hour, then in the first hour 500,000 will decay, producing 500,000 decays worth of heat.  If the half life is longer, say 2 hours, then in the first hour only 293,000 atoms will decay, producing only 293/500 = 58% as much.  If there is enough plutonium OR uranium to produce measurable amounts of heat you have a TREMENDOUS amount of valuable fuel that should NEVER be treated as waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myth Buster (#27),  You&#8217;ve got it just backwards.  The longer the half live the slower the decay and the less heat produced per minute, making the temperature lower.  If you start with a million radioactive atoms with a half life of 1 hour, then in the first hour 500,000 will decay, producing 500,000 decays worth of heat.  If the half life is longer, say 2 hours, then in the first hour only 293,000 atoms will decay, producing only 293/500 = 58% as much.  If there is enough plutonium OR uranium to produce measurable amounts of heat you have a TREMENDOUS amount of valuable fuel that should NEVER be treated as waste.</p>
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		<title>By: jakevonMN</title>
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		<dc:creator>jakevonMN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JL,

Please, you really think that that waste is just going to sit there idle until its safe??

With consistently high funding into nuclear energy research, and increased control over subatomic particles (which things like CERN will bring. We would probably figure out a way to use it as FUEL (or simply neutralize it) within a couple decades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JL,</p>
<p>Please, you really think that that waste is just going to sit there idle until its safe??</p>
<p>With consistently high funding into nuclear energy research, and increased control over subatomic particles (which things like CERN will bring. We would probably figure out a way to use it as FUEL (or simply neutralize it) within a couple decades.</p>
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		<title>By: Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Armed guards for 92 million years. Somebody&#039;s been smoking too much Captain Planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Armed guards for 92 million years. Somebody&#8217;s been smoking too much Captain Planet.</p>
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		<title>By: JL</title>
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		<dc:creator>JL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 19:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is brilliant. We get some cheap electricity now and then we only have to protect the radioactive waste for 4 million generations. The waste has to be stored and protected by armed guards round the clock for 92 million years. Almost as long as there has been a human race. That&#039;s like having a mortgage you have to pay for 92 million years. And during these 92 million years you have to make sure that no terrorist blows up the radioactive material. Because if they do, a big part of the planet will be inhabitable forever. This is clearly a genius strategy.

Lunar storage. Yes fantastic. Let&#039;s have a gigantic pile of lethal toxic waste and combine it with highly explosive rocket fuel and send it up in the atmosphere where it really can be distributed over a large population in case the rocket explodes. Great! truly Nobel price worthy thinking here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is brilliant. We get some cheap electricity now and then we only have to protect the radioactive waste for 4 million generations. The waste has to be stored and protected by armed guards round the clock for 92 million years. Almost as long as there has been a human race. That&#8217;s like having a mortgage you have to pay for 92 million years. And during these 92 million years you have to make sure that no terrorist blows up the radioactive material. Because if they do, a big part of the planet will be inhabitable forever. This is clearly a genius strategy.</p>
<p>Lunar storage. Yes fantastic. Let&#8217;s have a gigantic pile of lethal toxic waste and combine it with highly explosive rocket fuel and send it up in the atmosphere where it really can be distributed over a large population in case the rocket explodes. Great! truly Nobel price worthy thinking here.</p>
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		<title>By: Big dude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s this beachfront property in Orlando you speak of?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s this beachfront property in Orlando you speak of?</p>
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		<title>By: Northern Light</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northern Light</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up here in Ontario we&#039;ve had nuclear power for decades now.

For about 20 years our reactors churned out the power with no problems at all. Lately, however, the plants have turned into an expensive millstone around our necks. It will cost billins of  dollars to fix them and almost as much if we decide not to fix (you can&#039;t just flip a switch and close a nuclear plant. They are dammned expensive things to turn off and tear down).

The Ontario government&#039;s reaction has been to call for new nuclear plants to be built.

I don&#039;t have a lot of trouble with nuclear power itself. There have been serious problems at plants all over the world, but if people realized that nuclear power is something you can&#039;t be sloppy about and the rules have to be followed to the letter (unlike Chernobyl) it&#039;s certainly better for the environment than coal or it&#039;s oxymoronic brother &quot;Clean (?) Coal&quot;.

I do object to the fact that the costs will probably be about 50% higher than the $15 billion our government says they&#039;ll cost.

I get a lot of heat from my leftist friends for this, but I believe that although renewable is the way to go long-term, for the next couple of decades we need nuclear. I just worry about price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up here in Ontario we&#8217;ve had nuclear power for decades now.</p>
<p>For about 20 years our reactors churned out the power with no problems at all. Lately, however, the plants have turned into an expensive millstone around our necks. It will cost billins of  dollars to fix them and almost as much if we decide not to fix (you can&#8217;t just flip a switch and close a nuclear plant. They are dammned expensive things to turn off and tear down).</p>
<p>The Ontario government&#8217;s reaction has been to call for new nuclear plants to be built.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a lot of trouble with nuclear power itself. There have been serious problems at plants all over the world, but if people realized that nuclear power is something you can&#8217;t be sloppy about and the rules have to be followed to the letter (unlike Chernobyl) it&#8217;s certainly better for the environment than coal or it&#8217;s oxymoronic brother &#8220;Clean (?) Coal&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do object to the fact that the costs will probably be about 50% higher than the $15 billion our government says they&#8217;ll cost.</p>
<p>I get a lot of heat from my leftist friends for this, but I believe that although renewable is the way to go long-term, for the next couple of decades we need nuclear. I just worry about price.</p>
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		<title>By: gatorfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>gatorfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What isn&#039;t being mentioned here is that consumers have been paying a 1 mill/kilowatt hour surcharge for electricity generated from a nuclear power plant into a fund known as the &quot;Nuclear Waste Fund&quot;.  These payments have been paid to fund Yucca Mountain for 20 years and Congress keeps spending it on other stuff!  

Then you have Sen. Harry Reid throwing roadblocks at Yucca Mountain at every possible turn.

It&#039;s sad to see the NIMBY crowd stifle a safe, reliable (20% of the nations electrical generation capacity) energy industry.

Hey, I&#039;m all for solar and wind generation too.  By the way has anyone driven past a solar or wind field lately and seen how much acreage is required for even a paltry amount of generation capability?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What isn&#8217;t being mentioned here is that consumers have been paying a 1 mill/kilowatt hour surcharge for electricity generated from a nuclear power plant into a fund known as the &#8220;Nuclear Waste Fund&#8221;.  These payments have been paid to fund Yucca Mountain for 20 years and Congress keeps spending it on other stuff!  </p>
<p>Then you have Sen. Harry Reid throwing roadblocks at Yucca Mountain at every possible turn.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad to see the NIMBY crowd stifle a safe, reliable (20% of the nations electrical generation capacity) energy industry.</p>
<p>Hey, I&#8217;m all for solar and wind generation too.  By the way has anyone driven past a solar or wind field lately and seen how much acreage is required for even a paltry amount of generation capability?</p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
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		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real problem with plutonium is that it&#039;s hot.  With a half life on the order of 10^4 years, the radiation doesn&#039;t diminish much over reasonable periods of time, but it is active enough to produce a lot of heat.  U-233, by contrast, has a half-life on the order of millions of years, making it much cooler.

It was touched on earlier that RBMK reactors, like Chernobyl, are inherently unsafe, in contrast to American built reactors, but I should add that unsafe designs like RBMK, which are prone to cascading nuclear reactions when they overheat, are illegal in the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real problem with plutonium is that it&#8217;s hot.  With a half life on the order of 10^4 years, the radiation doesn&#8217;t diminish much over reasonable periods of time, but it is active enough to produce a lot of heat.  U-233, by contrast, has a half-life on the order of millions of years, making it much cooler.</p>
<p>It was touched on earlier that RBMK reactors, like Chernobyl, are inherently unsafe, in contrast to American built reactors, but I should add that unsafe designs like RBMK, which are prone to cascading nuclear reactions when they overheat, are illegal in the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill N. (#21)

&quot;You can make a piston engine run on either diesel or gasoline, but not a mixture of both ....&quot;

 That bare statement isn&#039;t strictly true: witness the old army
deuce-and-a-half truck with its multi-fuel engine and Automatic
Density Compensator.  One time our rookie put gasoline in a crane
that took diesel.  We dragged it back to the shop and dumped the
contaminated mix into our 2.5 ton truck.  It ran okay, but noisy.

 Mixing fuels in an army truck is a survival trick: possible but
not a good idea for the reason you said.  I take your argument that mixing fuels in a nuke bomb wouldn&#039;t work well.  Anyway, I thought that was a fun fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill N. (#21)</p>
<p>&#8220;You can make a piston engine run on either diesel or gasoline, but not a mixture of both &#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p> That bare statement isn&#8217;t strictly true: witness the old army<br />
deuce-and-a-half truck with its multi-fuel engine and Automatic<br />
Density Compensator.  One time our rookie put gasoline in a crane<br />
that took diesel.  We dragged it back to the shop and dumped the<br />
contaminated mix into our 2.5 ton truck.  It ran okay, but noisy.</p>
<p> Mixing fuels in an army truck is a survival trick: possible but<br />
not a good idea for the reason you said.  I take your argument that mixing fuels in a nuke bomb wouldn&#8217;t work well.  Anyway, I thought that was a fun fact.</p>
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