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1. Marc Malone:

Odd. You didn’t mention any specific battleground polls. The Rassmussen shows McCain has regained the lead in FL and OH. There has been movement.

The “spreading the wealth around” comment was Dukakis-in-a-tank. It’s the Palin bounce all over again, right as the economy seems to be settling down. Obama’s friends in the media learned nothing from their thrashing of Palin.

They thought they were effective by reducing her numbers, and they may yet manage it with “Joe”, but I doubt it, because he’s not running for office. He’s a private citizen, and they’ve crossed the line. The NYT also put out a hit piece on Cindy McCain that even had Bob Beckel denouncing it. Bob Beckel!

“Joe” resonated, so the media attacked him. They just reawakened the sleeping giant public at exactly the wrong time, and simultaneously managed to teach McCain how to win this thing by having a way to address the economy on his terms. In a week, McCain will be neck-and-neck, despite the spending disadvantage. PA will go to McCain in the election, and it’ll be all over.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:41 am 2. Fatcat:

To Marc Malone:

Man I hope your right. Here in NH I can’t tell you how many new Obama signs have went up in people’s yards … its got to be a 5 fold increase in the last 10 days.

NH and all of New England will go Obama, so if there will be any mirical for McCain, it will have to be the south and mid-west this year.

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:39 am 3. rachel peepers:

While the face of a thousand frowns is measuring for new drapes in the White House, the polls say it’s a safe bet that her husband, the brown eyed handsome man, will be the next Commander in Chief of all U.S. armed forces.

Today’s date is October 21, and let me be the first to report that this year’s Presidential Polls will soon turn out to be the most out of whack in the history of polling.

If you think a guy whose middle name is Hussein, who has been palling around with names like Ayers, Dorne, Rezko and Wright, terrorists and America-haters alike, is electable, the pin prick of reality is going to let the hot air out of all your buffoon balloons, which will fly off in a million directions.

Eventually, of course, excuses for losing will come fast and furious.

1. Voter Fraud
2. Racism
3. Talk Radio
4. Lies
5. The vast right wing conspiracy.

What the Democrats can’t seem to accept or understand is that the home of the free and land of the brave has never produced soil where socialism does well. Where the idea of redistribution of wealth takes root and flourishes.

Obama, sir, America rejects your notions of socialism and anarchy. We stand for freedom and democracy.

AS a result, Barack Obama and his manic legions are in for a bitter disappointment when, on November 4th, cold hard electoral facts slap them in the face like a parent slapping a child having a temper tantrum.

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:40 am 4. Eric R.:

I am actually worried about McCain closing — if he makes it close but loses, voters in tight Senate races may be less likely to vote for Dole, Smith, Coleman, Sununu etc. in tight Senate races, pushing the Dem total up to 60.

If they think he’ll definitely lose, then they are more likely to keep the Dems away from the magic 60.

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:43 am 5. Brett_McS:

Break for McCain? No. For Palin? Yes.

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Oct 21, 2008 - 4:01 am 7. Ciprian:

@Eric. R. Mee too

Oct 21, 2008 - 4:41 am 8. TroyC:

This is the time of year that all the dead democrats rise from the grave and vote. The liberal media would have us believe that the election is all over with and Obama is going to win. I sure hope people wake up in time to prove the media wrong.

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:12 am 9. Deja Vu - 1980 | Fightin Bob:

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Oct 21, 2008 - 5:37 am 10. Robert Niffenegger:

You may be right about the numbers. But I think the more important factor is that Reagan ran against a failed incumbent Democrat, where McCain has had to make the case that “He’s not George Bush.” Reagan was able to blame everything on Carter, Obama’s blaming everything on Bush.

http://www.fightinbob.com/politics/deja-vu-1980

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:40 am 11. Truth First:

Make no mistake: It is Barack Obama’s destiny to be President of the United States. Justice demands it. The Truth demands it. The World demands it.

Oppressed peoples throughout the world are looking to Obama for hope. For Justice. For an to war. For America to stop attacking the world and for it to start being a just and peaceful member of the community of nations.

If for some reason he is not elected then there will be a cry of outrage so great that America and all its racist institutions will shake and collapse. It will be the end of America and God will damn it for its final and most terrible sin.

http://truthfirstnow.blogs

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:42 am 12. Linda:

Obama’s plan sounds good, but think it through and look at the BIG picture… Raising taxes on anyone right now is NO GOOD… even big corporations have budgets to meet and they will cut jobs and spending to meet them, just as JOE the Plumber would have to do. McCain’s housing plans to buy bad mortgages makes perfect sense, renegotiate the balance w/banks (short sale) which is what’s largely going on right now in the industry and give them mtg terms they can handle. Without this help, the real estate mkt will remain stagnant. Putting money in the banking system is needed as well, but it’s not a long term fix, only temporary. McCain is getting to the root, not puting a band aid on the problem. Obama wants to give 95% of Americans a $1000 check, even if they don’t pay taxes. This was proven in the beginning of the year w/the rebates we received, IT”S NOT THE ANSWER for the root of the problem. Obama also proposes a 3 month moritorium on foreclosures. Can you say idiot… OK, lets clog up the system even longer. What is that going to solve? Nothing… what are the chances of anyone’s financial circumstances changing in 3 months to where miraculously they can now pay their mortgage? It will simply clog the banking system more, the bank needs to get these houses off their back and provide liquidity to our market. Not hold dead assets for 3 more months hoping homeowners can pay then. Everything in the economy revolves around supply and demand. With a housing inventory of 18mos. we’re going nowhere, but if McCain can put this thing in place, it takes inventory off the market. That’s what we need, until that happens your house and everyone elses is competing with foreclosures and values are tanking… Banks are having fire sales to rid themselves of these dead assets, that’s how imperative it is to them to have liquidity. Nothing Obama has presented makes sense to me. NOTHING… But I must say, he is a great speaker… If all you want is words, then Obama’s the man!! My mom always told me “All that glitters is not Gold…”

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:48 am 13. Rotwang:

rachel peepers:

You forgot to yell “PUMA HAKA!”

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:50 am 14. SAF:

This isn’t 1980 in any way. Consider:

1. Bush is far more unpopular than Carter was
2. Reagan was far more consistent than McCain was or ever will be
3. McCain is outspent by a factor of 5 or more
4. The press, while biased against Reagan was no where near as lopsided as it is today
5. Acorn and others have stacked the deck

The only way to fix the republican party is a massive throwing out of many of the current office holders. And as happened with Clinton the tide will shift in the mid term election.

The republicans brought this on themselves and that is why we have a neophyte on the threshold of becoming the POTUS.

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:58 am 15. Frank Logan:

I agree wholeheartedly with Rachel Peepers. I’ll just keep repeating this until some of you understand that the democratic party is split. About 3 weeks ago, there was a Fox News poll that indicated that only 58% of Hillary democrats supported Obama. Further, it said “that 28% of her supporters(up from 21% in June) claimed they were voting for McCain.” Since then, I have seen a confirming article that 25% of Hillary followers were voting for McCain in Tennessee. The democratic primaries split the democratic party. About 5-7 million democrats are voting for McCain. Each of these votes does double duty. It subtracts one from Obama and adds one to McCain. In 2004, Bush beat Kerry by 4 million votes. If 5 million Kerry democrats had voted instead for Bush, Bush would have won by 14 million votes. There is no possible way that Obama wins this election. If you want to see the anger of these democrats against Obama, read the comments at the Pro Hillary Blog, No Quarter http://noquarterusa.net/blog/

Oct 21, 2008 - 6:12 am 16. funky chicken:

“truth” first, it appears that Rick Moran is influenced by your threats and thus is agitating for an Obama victory. Fortunately, most Americans are made of much stronger stuff than Mr. Moran.

After all, Mr. Moran went wobbly on the war around the same time Senator McCain began working to convince Bush to bring the surge. Thank goodness Senator McCain’s thinking prevailed over that of people like Mr. Moran.

Oct 21, 2008 - 6:41 am 17. babar:

Um, Frank. Those people are insane. Larry Johnson is two buns short of a burger and ought to be on the Secret Service watch list.

Oct 21, 2008 - 6:46 am 18. R a Z o R:

11.) Truth First

Obama and Michelle support I N F A N T I C I D E

Obama was caught with his hand the deepest in

Fannie Mae’s C O O K I E . J A R .

Obama is untested and invites our enemies to

attack us in his 1st 6 months in office or so

says Joe Biden . Obama = Carter
________________________________________________

What makes Obama the messiah ?

Is it Oprah’s church that said Obama is

T H E . O N E ?

Oct 21, 2008 - 6:47 am 19. katablog.com:

“truthFirst”: sounds like a threat and reverse racism to boot. If you truly want an end to war, the last person that you want to vote for is Obama. Remember, Joe Biden guarantees an “international crisis” testing Obama and suggests that Obama’s response will be less than desired by the American public.

You can avoid that international crisis by voting McCain / Palin. We can assure you, the world already knows not to test him.

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:21 am 20. Frank Logan:

babar, I’m aware of Larry Johnson’s lack of credibility. The commenters on his blog are not insane they are democrats who think Obama stole the nomination from Hillary, and they vote. Here’s a 150 or so other Hillary blogs with various degrees of antipathy toward Obama. The Democratic Party is split.

http://blogosphere.changeandexperience.com/2008/06/hillary-blogosphere.html

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:32 am 21. Frank Logan:

The link above is from June. Here’s the latest

http://www.changeandexperience.com/

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:41 am 22. flyovercountry:

The “world demands” that Obama becomes the next president of the United States? Fortunately, the world does not vote in American elections. If they did, we would already be a socialist country.

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:42 am 23. Sheila:

I wonder if TruthFirst remembers the last French elections when Segolene Royal threatened that if she did not win that there would be riots in the streets of France. I’m still waiting for those pesky riots.

TruthFirst needs to get a life.

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:48 am 24. tom:

the polls are far off, people are fed up and the obamabots are the ones spiking it

the media wants us thinking it’s over, but it isn’t
please encourage your friends to get out and vote

this country is 58% conservative
and conservatives don’t vote for somebody they don’t know
who has been secretive of his past and will say or buy anything to get elected

the joe the plumber moment just topped it off
obama can try to smear all he wants but that moment resonates big time with the american voter

Americans won’t vote for a socialist
even if they might benefit from an apparent tax increase in the short term

electorial – florida, ohio, missouri, virg, w.va etc go McCain, no way Obama wins in the midwest

Co and NM – probably a split

Pennsylvania goes Rep
puma clintonites, blue color disenfranchised being told how to vote, etc. Look at Obama’s poor numbers in the dem primaries, thanks for delivering the election

286+ electorial for McCain

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:57 am 25. Big Al:

i am of the same mind set as rachel and frank as are my friends, i just hope we are right. i was in new orleans recently and i was very surprised at how few obama signs there were around. though they outnumbered the mccain signs 3/2 there just was not that many period, and i was in the correct neighborhoods for them.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:06 am 26. BMoon:

C’mon, Rick and the rest of you doom and gloomers. American history has often looked bleak. the oidds were always stacked against us. Go watch a movie like “Braveheart” or “Gladiator” or something to inspire you. The statist goons, the weasels, the moochers, the elitists will not take over America.

It is a terrible thing to live without faith.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:11 am 27. jb:

11. Truth First, That is the biggest crock posted this morning. What are you threatening? You trying to say riots will break out if that socialist swine Obama loses? That’s just great, you libs have been such a blessing to the democratic process. Now we can equate our elections to those bastions of freedom in Africa. By the way, let’s ask those “oppressed people” of Chicago what Obama did for them (that is of course when Obama does anything). What did happen to the millions given for education?

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:12 am 28. Therese:

I believe that McCain/Palin are going to win. Joe the Plumber has awakened even more people’s eyes to Obama’s Socialist policies. Also, people like me are very ticked off at how the media and Obama & company have attacked a citizen for asking a question. There will be a voter backlash from this!

What is also brewing, though, is this Obama birth certificate thing. At first, I thought it was some kook. But after seeing a YouTube video of the longstanding Democrat named Berg who brought the suit, I am convinced that there’s something to this. Now, there’s even more compelling activities that make me think this could be a time bomb about to explode in Obama’s face. Here’s why:

1. Obama’s lawyers did not respond to the lawsuit filed by Berg in Philadelphia, PA. This automatically means that from a legal standpoint they admit to Berg’s charges. Why do this? Why not just produce a legal copy of the birth certificate and end all of this mess? This is a lot less expensive than filing motions and paying lawyers thousands of dollars.

Here’s a link the source that has been tracking this and provides this info:
http://www.americasright.com/

Also, here’s a link to the YouTube video of Berg so that you can see him and his reasoning for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Glyla5R7B8

2. I just found out about another man who has filed a lawsuit in Hawaii requesting a copy of Obama’s birth certificate. What catches my attention here, though, is that this man claims that the state of Hawaii has birth records on Obama, but Obama refuses to let the information be disclosed. Why? If it’s a birth certificate, why not release it and end all of this talk? Or, is it as the man claims and the Hawaii information shows Obama to be born somewhere else?

Here is the link to the Hawaii lawsuit:
http://contrariancommentary.blogspot.com/2008/10/honolulu-lawsuit-filed-to-open-obamas.html

This lawsuit above was filed this past Friday, October 17, 2008. It seeks to open Obama’s secret birth records.

3. Obama is now suspending his campaign to visit his ailing grandmother in Hawaii. I believe that she is sick and I wish her well. Nevertheless, the timing of all of this lawsuit stuff and his campaign suspension is very, very suspicious.

This birth certificate stuff is not going to go away. If Obama doesn’t produce a real one before the election, this is only going to make it worse for him and get more people talking about it.

Add no birth certificate, Joe the Plumber, Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and Michelle Obama and you’ve got one unelectable person.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:17 am 29. Michael:

I am afraid of this election. The media is Obama’s campaign arm so most of the voters never are exposed to Obama’s actual actions over the last 20 years. Add half a billion dollars for advertisement I think this election is bought and paid for.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:22 am 30. David Thomson:

“If for some reason he is not elected then there will be a cry of outrage so great that America and all its racist institutions will shake and collapse.”

Please note the part on “racist institutions.” The Obama campaign has promiscuously employed the race card. John Murtha may have already destroyed his campaign for reelection to a very safe seat becasue he called his white constituents “racists’ and red necks.” There is simply too much race stuff going on. Obama was supposed to be above race—and too many people are finding out that this is not true.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:27 am 31. Sarah:

I kept waiting to hear some kind of foreboding music while reading “truth first’s” post, it did give me a good laugh though!
You know he/she/it has stood in the middle of a bunch of like minded drones dressed in a long, flowing, black velvet cloak with arms raised to the sky passionately declaring the contents of their post. Honestly, the mental picture I’m getting is just priceless!
I vote for diplomancy through SUPERIOR FIREPOWER! – Can I hear a HOOAH?!?!?!

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:36 am 32. ~Paules:

Mr. Moran,

Given that most polling organizations are part of the media complex, why should I give them any credence? Was it four or eight years ago during election night coverage that Dan Rather gave us the words: “We are winning!” And who might the “we” be in that declaration? Should the media attempt of eight years ago to stampede the electorate by calling Florida early not tell us something about their goals? Why should I believe that this time the situation is somehow different?

Lacking data I can trust, I can offer only an intuitive feel for this election. Conservative voters are refusing to answer pollsters. I know I have. The American electorate knows socialism and understands Obama’s true intentions in this regard. Most Americans are not racist, but they are irked with the constant accusations. The conservative base, far from having thrown in the towel, is quietly seething in indignation. The dishonest efforts by the MSM to impose their candidate on the rest of us will result in a backlash. Americans don’t like to be told what to do from on high.

This election isn’t over by a longshot. Defeatism only says to me that some have imbibed deeply of the posion being offered by the MSM. We’ll know on November 5th. Expect some rather startling results.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:37 am 33. Janeway:

I don’t know why you are all so mad at this article. We all hope the polls are wrong but they may not be and we will have to accept the results of this election whether we like it or not. I will fight to the bitter end and work for McCain (who was my last choice in the Primary) not to have Obama as President but folks, it is not looking good. It’s not Moran’s fault that he sees the handwriting on the wall. I hope he is wrong, in fact, I pray he is wrong but why are you mad at him for stating the obivious? It may be a bad scene whomever wins.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:46 am 34. Sandy Salt:

I think McCain is doing the right thing by telling people that Obama is a tax and spend liberal and that isn’t what we need during the current economic situation. People can understand that and hate the idea of more taxes and more government waste. This is the only thing that is going to change the election. People don’t trust Washington and they sure and the heck don’t want to give them any more money to waste. McCain just has to stay on message and start showing real people that feel the way described above.

People will buy into the anger and mistrust because it is real and people want a way to express it. Up until the Joe the Plumber and Joe the Dumas, people thought Obama had to be better than what was in Washington now. But after the wealth redistribution and world crisis, Obama is getting less and less exceptable. The only question remains is if there is enough time and a way to get the message out successfully to a average voter. You know the MSM isn’t going to help and there isn’t enough time for rallies. Do your part and get the message out and hope that it will be enough.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:53 am 35. Sandy Salt:

HOOYAH!!!

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:57 am 36. WR Jonas:

I do not know who will win but I am curious about Mr. Morans very shaky premise. He seems quite pessimistic and apparently prefers to discourage Republicans . For a while longer this is still a nation of government by the people and I feel a thrill when I consider the destruction about to rain on the Democratic Party.
If a Party built by lies and deception with a candidate who is a total fraud can win the Presidency then we will all be at great risk. Our democracy experiment will be over and marxism will punish those who resist.
Just consider the reaction of the left to a harmless innocent question by an unemployed plumber. That incident reveals clearly how the recalcitrant will be treated. So called healthy opposition will be trampled and resistance will not be tolerated,
If , on the other hand the left has overplayed its hand and they are defeated , the internal destruction will be devastating.
To go further left would be madness and moving right would be unthinkable . Sounds like a scenario for a split to me.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:59 am 37. Truth First:

America is an illegal nation and Obama will be its first just and moral leader. He is the one with will stop America’s injustices and will promote social and economic justice. This is why the world wants Obama. The world is tired of America’s wars and its social and economic oppression.

http://truthfirstnow.blogs

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:01 am 38. Jeff:

I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but a true Independent who believes in facts and really believes in learning the lessons of our history.

So here is a simple fact for America -
1) During Ronald Reagan’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1981-1989, we were at our economic best in a quarter of a century. We made the right choice in these 8 years as a country.
2) During George H. W. Bush Sr.’s Presidency of 1 term, between 1989-1993, we were at our economic worst in a quarter of a century. We made a huge mistake as a country but corrected it by keeping him in office for only 1 term.
3) During Bill Clinton’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 1993-2001, we were again at our economic best in a quarter of a century, even better than Reagan’s era. We made the right choice again in these 8 years as a country, despite his personal scandals.
4) Now, during George W. Bush Jr.’s Presidency of 2 terms, between 2001-this coming January 20, 2009; we have been at our economic worst in a quarter of a century, even worst than Bush Sr.’s era. We really made a huge mistake as a country on this one by not realizing that the apple really doesn’t fall very far from the tree. Yet we chose this apple again the second time around.

Now, really let this simple fact sink in America and take your time to think carefully this time around about how you want the direction of this country to go.

We made history with Reagan. We then made a mistake with Bush Sr. but corrected history by allowing him to only serve 1 term. We then made history again with Clinton, despite his personal scandals. Now, we have made 2 mistakes with Bush Jr. by allowing him to serve not once, but twice. So my last question to America is, guess which candidate shares the interests of both, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr.? I will let America answer this one. We are much, much smarter as a country to want to make history rather than make mistakes and to suffer yet again from our own mistakes by not using objectivity as our first and foremost agenda.

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:02 am 39. Michael Flaherty:

McCain can still pull this off, but he needs to start hitting Obambi hard now.

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:22 am 40. Cichawoda:

Do you guys ever get your facts straight?
Therese – http://tinyurl.com/5vrus3

Y’all seem to think that all the people going to Obama rallies (over 100,000 in St. Louis http://tinyurl.com/5ele2l), contributing to the campaign (over 11 million contributions of less then $200 – http://tinyurl.com/67ceun), all the endorsements by moderate Republicans and right leaning newspapers are just are a great anti-American conspiracy by communists and Islamist sympathisers? Oh! and the media owned by GE, Westinghouse, NC, Time/Warner etc is socialist leaning http://www.mediaowners.com/?
Maybe the party that Reagan high jacked for the religious right is finally over and has proven it’s worth – you guys suck – even with all the power and lying and cheating you can’t succeed.

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:33 am 41. Jeff:

What people don’t understand is why some of us are so against the current Republican ticket, but we have an obligation to fight against history of ever being repeated again. Many of us out here are not fighting for the Democratic campaign but are fighting against an ideology.

1) An ideology that completely mirrors the ideology of this past 8 years.
2) An ideology that recognizes the few while completely disregarding the masses.
3) An ideology that believes in taking military action against Iraq, an incident that is completely unrelated to 9/11, without solidifying our claims beforehand. In the present, we have found no evidence of weapons of mass destructions or a tie to Osama Bin Laden. The devastation of this war has cost us over 4,000 of our brave troops and counting, over 1/2 trillion dollars of taxpayer’s money and counting, and over 1 million Iraqi lives unrelated to the terrorists or insurgency.

Cost of the Iraq War — http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

4) An ideology that still believes that the Iraq War is the right war on terrorism when the Afghanistan War should had been the right war on terrorism, where Osama Bin Laden actually was until he slipped into the mountains and into Pakistan’s territory now. The Iraq War also diverted our attention away from the Afghanistan War. We now have extended our resources in two separate places and have heightened our risk to our troops, our expenses, and creating another dilemma that will take quite some time to finalize. The Iraq War will not go away overnight and it is now our obligation to see it all the way through for God knows how many more years. This has also been the most unpopular war in the eyes of the world’s communities.
5) An ideology that believes that we are at our safest state since 9/11, when a recent terrorist plot was still trying to enter Great Britain’s airports with liquid explosives heading directly to us, but thankfully the plot was foiled. While in Afghanistan, the terrorists are regrouping and strengthening and we have recently suffered another high casualty to our troops yet again within this past month. We currently have the least amount of alliances in the world’s communities due to this unpopular Iraq War. True national securities are the ties that bind us to our world’s communities and the ties that bind them to us.
6) An ideology that vetted one of the most inexperience VP ticket in history, from foreign policies to national defense. If God forbids that anything happens to this President if elected and is stricken with illness, this VP will be running the country. For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin’s VP readiness, please look at these links below —

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUHRv3ipLE

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/09/30/palin_gaffes/

7) An ideology that believes in “the fundamentals of our economy are strong” while we are facing the highest mortgage foreclosure crisis, high unemployment rate, and the largest collapse of our financial infrastructures since The Great Depression of 1929.

This is an ideology that many of us in America are against. Whether this ideology is in the Republican or Democratic ticket is not the main issue but the fact is that America does not want to fall into another 4 more years of devastation. We cannot afford this anymore.

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:38 am 42. jb:

“America is an illegal nation and Obama will be its first just and moral leader”
Oh come on! I just spilt my coffee laughing at that.

“The world is tired of America’s wars”
Yea they hated us in that American WWI and WWII. The millions we liberated didn’t seem to mind too much though.

“social and economic oppression”
It’s a good thing to since we give more than ALL NATIONS!!!!
Now get your head out of that dark place and get off your mommies computer.

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:41 am 43. jb:

Sorry, I should have said my last post was for Truth First but I was still laughing at what he/she said.

Oct 21, 2008 - 9:43 am 44. Cichawoda:

Michael Flaherty:
So what club is he going to pull out now? The Muslim gun didn’t work. The 60s terrorist shotgun didn’t work. The “economy is fine” sickle and “Joe the Plumber” hammer didn’t work. The “Angry Black Man” bomb didn’t work. “Old man for change” and “bimbo for what-ever” grenades didn’t work. And the “who is Obama?” box cutter is just a farce. The Republican campaign is like that weak, pasty white kid who always smelled of urine and when upset would swing wildly spewing out random slurs.

The only thing that is preventing this being a landslide is racism – on the merits it’s a no-brainer especially with Palin on the ticket.

Oct 21, 2008 - 10:39 am 45. Allan Erickson:

Will we prefer the “calm of despotism” in the words of Thomas Jefferson?

“Posterity, you will never know how much it cost the present generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in heaven that ever I took half the pains to preserve it.” John Adams

http://allanerickson.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/will-we-prefer-the-calm-of-despotism/

Oct 21, 2008 - 10:43 am 46. TL:

Jeff, your simpleton’s view of the economic cycles and what is to blame for the contractions and what is to credit for the expansions over recent decades is devoid of meaningful analysis and objectively wrong. I’m among those who think Reagan was great (and I’m a pro choice atheist so don’t try to pin your religious nut case label on me), Bush 1 was fine, and Bush 2 is too much of a spendthrift domestically. People who think like me explain Bush’s low approval rating, which means you should take less comfort in those numbers than you may be taking. Yes, Bush is too liberal domestically, going along with your nut job politicians too readily and even pushing left himself as with the bail out and all. And maybe he could have picked our fights better and fought them smarter after 9/11 (maybe, I don’t know, and we’re winning now so get over it). But do you seriously think anyone is going to believe that Obama is less of a socialist than McCain? Or that Obama is going to fight wars against Islamic extremism and communism more aggressively than McCain? Come on! McCain may not be Reagan but Obama is a socialist nut job who doesn’t share authentic American values. Us normal people don’t put out signs for McCain-Palin and we nod and smile politely when you goons pop off at parties or the office (since there is no reasoning with you and you may be unstable as illustrated by the blood thirsty “truth first” nut job). But here’s to hoping there are still enough good Americans out here in the silent majority to save our country from your socialism and totalitarianism one more time around.

Oct 21, 2008 - 10:52 am 47. Dr. Mark:

TRUTH FIRST..that has to be a seminar post to rile us up..
Come on, no-one thinks like that..If so, it is the reason I own assault-style rifles.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:08 am 48. Sarah:

Que flashing lights and depressing music….”truth first” has returned!!! OMG, I have no idea how I would have made the decision about who to vote for without the wise and insightful musings of “truth first.” I have seen the light my friends! Due to the startling clarity brought about my reading his/her posts I will now be voting…for McCain!
Honestly, if these are the kind of kooks Obama attracts it’s no freaking wonder that the people that can actually prove they have a brain refuse to vote for him.

P.S. “Jeff” Why are you still copy/pasting the same stuff you were copy/pasting a month ago? Were you hoping no one would notice?

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:12 am 49. Wade:

It does look pretty bleak…I am shocked it’s not 60-30 though, what with Bush’s rep. I am going to close my eyes, cast my vote for McCain, and hope the polls are somehow skewed…not that McCain is perfect, but who is? And Obama will be bad, mostly through the huge expansion of government into almost every sector…good lord.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:13 am 50. cubanbob:

” 37. Truth First:

America is an illegal nation and Obama will be its first just and moral leader. He is the one with will stop America’s injustices and will promote social and economic justice. This is why the world wants Obama. The world is tired of America’s wars and its social and economic oppression.

http://truthfirstnow.blogs”

I’m sure you have heard the old but true adage “The only good communist is dead communist.” Now run along and make yourself a good communist. And in an earth friendly manner please.

Moran is right to be cautious. Its up to decent, loyal Americans to show up and vote on election day. So be a patriotic American and vote for the real American and do the same on the rest of the ballot. Just say no to communism. Remember it ain’t over until the fat lady sings.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:18 am 51. Cichawoda:

Jeff:
you are forgetting that the National Debt, after going down steadily since WWII shot up under Reagan. “our economic best” under Reagan was a lie – it was driven by debt. The National Debt went down slightly during Clinton and now is at a 50 year high thanks to Bush.
If a family buys a new TV, SUV and alarm system with a credit card they can’t pay off – it might seem like they are doing well till somebody calls in the debt.
Our debt is being called, a perfect storm is brewing. I’ll pick the smooth intellectual and experienced insider over the angry geezer and clueless bimbo when it comes to solving tough problems and washing of the mud the Reagan Reps have been throwing at the high minded ideals, intellectual vision and moral prerogatives that are the foundation of this great nation. Calling yourself “moral”, “maverick” or “patriot” is meaningless when the rest of us and the whole world can judge you on your actions.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:18 am 52. Marie:

“Make no mistake: It is Barack Obama’s destiny to be President of the United States. Justice demands it. The Truth demands it. The World demands it.”

We’re only electing a president not trying to make up for everything that has been wrong on Earth since the dawn of time. The World can’t demand anything (it has no voting rights), only we the people can demand!!!

Fatboy: psychological games are rampant. Put up signs so that your neighbors will either feel intimidated or depressed thinking that there is no hope and will say to themselves, why vote if the result is inevitable. Nothing’s inevitable. Vote. Information was floated out there by the MSM that McCain is giving up on Colorado… not true. There will be more of this in these two weeks. Stay cool!

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:26 am 53. don:

Gee, let’s play flip the race story, heads I win, tails you loose; that is a no brainer when no matter the outcome race is the deciding factor. For someone to think like that they must be a graduate of grade less, pass fail, U.C Santa Cruz and the Angela Davis school of white studies. Hum, wasn’t Marx a dirty old pistol packing European white boy? The democratic campaign reminds of a urine reeking moon walking black before getting busted and sobering up in jail just to blame it all on whitey. Oh, an tails were substituted for tales on purpose just to have fun with the women’s studies crowd. Unlike babbling Biden, at least Palin has had babies, has actually fired department heads, shoots moose, and still looks naughty.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:28 am 54. Cichawoda:

TL:
“doesn’t share authentic American values” – judging by the campaign contributions of $200 or less millions of hard working Americans would disagree 0r are they all Islamist sympathisers?.
“think Reagan was great” – was he great by letting the National Debt go up so high or was he great in his second term when his mind was being eaten by Alzheimer’s?
“Bush 2 is too much of a spendthrift domestically” – the National Debt is at a 50 year high and it is a treat to national security, what don’t you understand about that?
“we nod and smile politely” – because you don’t have any arguments or is it that you are just gutless?
“fight wars against Islamic extremism and communism” – is that what your “American Values” are all about, did you ever but your life on the line?

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:30 am 55. Cichawoda:

Wade:
“huge expansion of government” do you ever check your facts? Since Reagan it has been the Republicans that have contributed to the rise in the National Debt and the size of the government. You sound like the Flat Earth people. Do you have any Gov statistics that show a decline of government spending related to Republican action. BTW the Army is part of the Gov.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:36 am 56. oldpapajoe:

No one has won the Presidency without winning one demographic: white male voters. This voting group has the highest turnout of actual voters. College kids, who make up a large part of BHO support, do not show up to vote or fail to register and can’t vote–except in blue states like MI. As of today, McCain is leading Obama by 51/49 in this category. If BHO wins despite losing this demograhic, it will be a first.

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:53 am 57. ClassicCon:

Cichawoda:

“doesn’t share authentic American values” – judging by the campaign contributions of $200 or less millions of hard working Americans would disagree 0r are they all Islamist sympathisers?.

Wish you could actually give an answer, but like everything else with your guy he games the system so that we will really never know who his donors are. We do know for a fact that he has had to return money from terrorists(people you probably support) groups, of course, he only did it after getting called on it.

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:10 pm 58. Cichawoda:

“race is the deciding factor” only for an ever decreasing minority. If the young are the future (not sure if it works the same for flat Earthers) they are increasingly immune to race baiting. Looking at it from a historical perspective it seems to be another collapse of the conservative world view and a reflection on the steady progress of the Enlightenment on the principles of which this country was founded.

As for Marx and Socialism – it was Reagan who ushered in the era of socialism for the rich in this country. Corporations “too big to fail”, tails you win, heads you lose but the middle class gets to bail you out. Personally as a proud card carrying member of the “middle class” I and most of the people in this country are tiered of the f#ck ups at the top. Maybe we can’t be fooled by God, Guns and Gays any longer.

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:16 pm 59. Sarah:

I have an idea – how much do you think it would decrease our national debt by if we subtract the dollar amount of food relief and other “humanitarian” efforts given to other nations and tell them that their debt to us has come due????? I’m just guessing but I think they would all end up owing US money. Or even better, let’s actually start requiring everyone on welfare to actually start earning the food that all the taxpayers put in their mouths? Since when did it become acceptible to not EARN YOUR KEEP???
I’m sick and tired of hearing people b*tch about “how horrible and unfeeling America is” and “why do we always want to bomb people” – If you don’t like it GET THE HELL OUT, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO STAY HERE! You so easily dismiss the people that are DYING TODAY to protect YOUR freedoms! If you were living in any other country than the US (and a very few other exceptions) nobody would give a flying f*ck what your opinion was about who was president of the country – they would just KILL YOU if you didn’t agree!
Chewbaca or Cichawoda or whatever your name is – Canada is calling your name, I’ll pitch in for the plane ticket!

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:20 pm 60. syn:

What free person could vote for a presidential candidate who investigates the lives of private citzens as a campaign tactic?

I Am Joe and I will not vote for any politician who will investigate me just because I asked that politician a question.

Cichawoda, are you prepared to face what Joe the Plumber faced he too is a card-carrying member of the ‘middle class’?

Seriously, politicians investing the lives of private citizens isn’t democratic, republican or American…it’s tyranny and I will NOT vote tyranny into power!!!!

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:28 pm 61. Cichawoda:

“College kids, who make up a large part of BHO support, do not show up to vote” – I teach young adults and have for many years. I have never seen such enthusiasm and so much actual participation and activism since the late 60s. I also do some canvasing and precinct work – the percentage of young people who have already voted is unprecedented. That is why I said before – this should be a landslide on the merits (if Obama was a white guy but still had his vision, intellect and charm), the only reason it is this close is – race.

Convincing older, white, working class voters to vote for Obama on the merits is hard. One lady in Pennsylvania who has voted for Dems all her life said to me that she will not vote for Barack because he is not “well spoken”. When I questioned her motive she just blushed. I hope, like many Americans like her, she will be able to get over her prejudices and like the patriot she really is – vote for what is best for our country.

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:29 pm 62. lee:

Barack Obama’s incredible ascent to power (beating out two more experieneced if not better candidates in Clinton and Mccain) is not unlike that of other leftist figures who replaced moderate / conservative Bush allies several years ago. Not a few places in the world have essentially replaced their Bush with BHO-esque candidates (minus his charisma) long ago. Nothing could have prevented the masses from removing their leaders who had anything to do with George Bush and the war in Iraq. Perhaps not even suspicious policies and a lack of experience by the opponent.

Obama probably won’t be as far left as Spain’s Zapatero or as buffoonish as South Korea’s Roh Moo Hyun, the kind of candidates who rose to power by appealing to strong anti American / war sentiments and ran on a vague (but glorified) sense of change. But if he turns out to be a second coming of either of them, public support will cool down. The love you gained by blasting away at George Bush and unpopular American policies can dissipate pretty fast if you can’t deliver on your promises. Obama’s proposals are worded in such nuanced fashion (like his tax cuts for 95%) that Americans might realize that he never intended to carry out the spirit of his promises.

It’s curious thing – the Barack Obama experiment has been nearing its end in some parts of the world, with moderates or conservative (conservative by global standards) probably ready to make a comeback if there was an election right now. Canada’s conservatives made some gains a few weeks ago. But Americans are just catching up to the trend.

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:29 pm 63. Marc Malone:

Wow, the trolls are back. I sure missed them. I hated all the nice, thoughtful dialogue going on while they were away. I much prefer the propaganda. Welcome back Cichiwoda, Jeff, and truth first.

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:33 pm 64. Sarah:

It absolutely kills me when people b*tch about how “the rich are TOO rich” and “why should I actually have to earn my money,” when we all know FOR A FACT that if said persons suddenly came into money or perchance won the “tax for the stupid” (lottery) they would be pretty protective of all their newfound wealth and you’d have to pry it out of their hands penny by penny!
What poetic justice it is that our current economic mess is a direct result of the inbred stupidity of Democrats!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QBRIsCkGQ0

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:44 pm 65. Cichawoda:

Sarah:
Typical – you are what makes my day when talking to Reps – for the love and respect I feel for the ideals MY country was founded on, for all the effort I put into making MY country live up to it’s founding promise, for all the work I do to help the people of MY country understand their responsibilities to the ideals America was founded on – I sometimes wonder if it is worth it. It is people like you who make me understand how much more work needs to be done.
Of course you would have trouble figuring out and mock a “different” name, of course you wouldn’t be able to point to any data about “efforts given to other nations”, of course you think that welfare goes to them lazy “un-American” Americans – you and people like you are a cancer on this great country because you have given up on the promise of America. You are so full of yourself that you can’t see the goal, the change or the struggle of reaching for the city on the hill or the promised land. If you see no progress for America, if you see no change for America than you see no hope for America. No Sarah – you leave for some other country (Canada is way to good for the likes of you) where you can wallow in your selfrighteous pity. Me and people like me are staying in America because we are America’s future.

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:54 pm 66. Truth First:

On June 11, 2005 George W. Bush had a 72 minute meeting with Donald Rumsfeld, Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani, Jr. and two men from the Special Sciences Department known as “WAM” which stands for “Weather Attack Mandate”. WAM was started in 1970 during the Nixon administration of which Rumsfeld served numerous roles with including as counselor to Nixon in and as Director of the Economic Stabilization Program.

Bush had called for meeting due to growing tension in the White House about the growing political impact of raising gas prices and the inability to drill for oil in Alaska and off the Florida coast. He wanted to explore his options and want to learn more about WAM and the possibilities it offered.

The two men from WAM were Trevor J. Constable and Alex Tippling. Both men have long careers in the science of weather control and manipulation and Bush wanted to know how he could take advantage of their knowledge.

What resulted from this meeting was the deadly “Hurricane” known to Katrina. It was nothing less than a full-scale attack of the gulf region of the United States. Specifically, the target were the millions of Africans living in the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.

What Bush discovered was that it was possible to create a hurricane and direct to direct its force on a target. The temptation was too great for him to ignore. By creating Katrina (named after a wife of one of Giambastiani’s sons) Bush intended to kill Africans, create a distraction from Iraq and to seize control of the oil-rich lands and waters in the Gulf Coast area.

He was also following a racist tradition: During slavery days, whites would often tell their African captives that hurricanes and storms were simply God’s wrath at Africans for being lazy or for “crimes” such as looking at a white woman.

Obama will bring the criminals behind this to justice.

http://truthfirstnow.blogspot.com

Oct 21, 2008 - 12:55 pm 67. INCITEmarsh:

Hey, “Truth First”:

You just got posterized.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:08 pm 68. ginsocal:

Hmm. Still waiting for Chichasomethingorother (is that mexican for, “I’m a super-giant a$$hole?”) to say something that makes sense. The O! is nothing more than another corrupt Chicago politician, which is a redundant expression, I know. You and the other idiot trufer should understand that we don’t give a flying f*ck WHAT the “World” wants. They’re lucky we send anything at all, and my suggestion would be that we cut the bastards off for a while. Let ‘em see how much they miss us when we aint around. Socialism and its attendant policies are sure-fire slave makers. But don’t take my word for it-look at history, or any of the current People’s Republics. Doesn’t seem to be any lines forming to get into those places. Why is that, do you suppose?

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:10 pm 69. cubanbob:

” 55. Cichawoda:

Wade:
“huge expansion of government” do you ever check your facts? Since Reagan it has been the Republicans that have contributed to the rise in the National Debt and the size of the government. You sound like the Flat Earth people. Do you have any Gov statistics that show a decline of government spending related to Republican action. BTW the Army is part of the Gov.

Oct 21, 2008 – 11:36 am”
” 54. Cichawoda:

TL:
“doesn’t share authentic American values” – judging by the campaign contributions of $200 or less millions of hard working Americans would disagree 0r are they all Islamist sympathisers?.
“think Reagan was great” – was he great by letting the National Debt go up so high or was he great in his second term when his mind was being eaten by Alzheimer’s?
“Bush 2 is too much of a spendthrift domestically” – the National Debt is at a 50 year high and it is a treat to national security, what don’t you understand about that?
“we nod and smile politely” – because you don’t have any arguments or is it that you are just gutless?
“fight wars against Islamic extremism and communism” – is that what your “American Values” are all about, did you ever but your life on the line?

Oct 21, 2008 – 11:30 am”

1- Reagan was not a dictator. He did not pass legislation. Congress did. A Democrat Congress for most of his administrations. It helps to know a bit of civics.
2-The expansion of the national debt is almost entirely the result of entitlement programs. Those programs are directly the result of Democrat Administrations and Congresses. FDR and LBJ are the primary guilty parties along with the Democrat Congresses that enabled the programs.
3-Now if you were to advocate reducing the welfare state that is something the majority of taxpayers as opposed to net tax consumers and assorted parasites would agree with. Eliminate farm subsidies and the entitlement state and you would have a budget surplus in less than a year.
4-Please spare us the bullshit chickenhawk argument. After all did you ever rush in to a burning building like a fireman? Or risk your life in a gun fight with a criminal? If not, then you have no say on those areas as well. national defense is the core function of the US Government along with law enforcement and the judiciary and the Department of State. Everything else is optional (aside fom debt service and contractual obligations).
5-Only an idiot or a dishonest leftist would make the ridiculous assertion that 1 million people made $200 contributions in one month alone. Doodah & co. are merely obvious examples of money laudering. Typical Chicago Machine Democrat, a front piece for the Mob. Perhaps you can explain why a candidate for the American presidency needs to fundraise overseas? Why is it the Socialist/Marxist candidate needs to receive donations from overseas?
6- A smooth intellectual? What is that, a joke? That clown has never held an honest job in his life. Joe The Plummer is better qualified to be president than that smooth talking bullshitter and his sidekick the bloviating hair plug. I have no sympathy for people who borrow to live above their means. Let them get a second job to pay off their consumer debts.
7-Killing comunists, like killing nazi’s is always a good thing. As for Islamacists, since the days of the Barbary Pirates they need an occasional smash in the face to keep them from getting to uppity. The scum need to know their place and every so often need to be put back in their place by their betters.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:17 pm 70. Sarah:

Cichawoda:
The ideals this country were founded on were not “free rides for everyone.” It was and still should be about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for your own actions and the fulfillment of an individual’s dreams based on DETERMINATION and HARD WORK! There are plenty of ways for America to make progress but to base that progress on the expense of those of us that actually work for a living is not the way to do it.
As for my “self-righteous pity” – I have nothing to be ashamed of as I have WORKED for everything I have. I put myself through college – I didn’t count in the governemnt to do it for me. My father passed away when I was very young and I helped with the two family paper routes from the time I was 5 until I went away to college. My mother worked 4 jobs at a time and we NEVER had to go on any kind of government assistance. Don’t tell me I don’t know what it is to struggle!
It is people like you that have turned America into a lazy, self-indulgent, “what can I have someone else do for me so I don’t have to do it myself” society. Congratulations, it’s quite a legacy you are leaving for those of us that are young to have to clean up!

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:25 pm 71. Cichawoda:

ClassicCon:
here you go:
http://tinyurl.com/47qywr
http://tinyurl.com/3zpvm6
http://tinyurl.com/ynlxkw
Bet this is the confusing part for you “Surprisingly, the great majority of Obama donors never break the $200 threshold.” Well you see the real Patriotic Americans like me, my wife, my daughter and my son, most of my friends around the country gave $200 or less because that’s what we can afford. 10 of my friends are at the moment abroad, 2 of them in the Middle East performing their Patriotic duty. So I personally know over 60 people who gave something to the Obama campaign and all of them are true Patriots and Americans. The average Obama donation is $84 so me and my friends donated $5040, and lets say each of my friends know another 10 people who donated etc. It is called the snowball effect – easy to reach the $200 mln.
BTW – just sold my old stereo on eBay – guess who is getting the money

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:31 pm 72. Cichawoda:

“If you don’t like it GET THE HELL OUT, NOBODY IS FORCING YOU TO STAY HERE!” – hmmm? nice dialogue!
“What poetic justice it is that our current economic mess is a direct result of the inbred stupidity of Democrats!” doh? thoughtful dialogue!

Marc Malone: you guys make me feel sooo good about the side I’m on.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:37 pm 73. cubanbob:

” 66. Truth First:

On June 11, 2005 George W. Bush had a 72 minute meeting with Donald Rumsfeld, Admiral Edmund P. Giambastiani, Jr. and two men from the Special Sciences Department known as “WAM” which stands for “Weather Attack Mandate”. WAM was started in 1970 during the Nixon administration of which Rumsfeld served numerous roles with including as counselor to Nixon in and as Director of the Economic Stabilization Program.

Bush had called for meeting due to growing tension in the White House about the growing political impact of raising gas prices and the inability to drill for oil in Alaska and off the Florida coast. He wanted to explore his options and want to learn more about WAM and the possibilities it offered.

The two men from WAM were Trevor J. Constable and Alex Tippling. Both men have long careers in the science of weather control and manipulation and Bush wanted to know how he could take advantage of their knowledge.

What resulted from this meeting was the deadly “Hurricane” known to Katrina. It was nothing less than a full-scale attack of the gulf region of the United States. Specifically, the target were the millions of Africans living in the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida.

What Bush discovered was that it was possible to create a hurricane and direct to direct its force on a target. The temptation was too great for him to ignore. By creating Katrina (named after a wife of one of Giambastiani’s sons) Bush intended to kill Africans, create a distraction from Iraq and to seize control of the oil-rich lands and waters in the Gulf Coast area.

He was also following a racist tradition: During slavery days, whites would often tell their African captives that hurricanes and storms were simply God’s wrath at Africans for being lazy or for “crimes” such as looking at a white woman.

Obama will bring the criminals behind this to justice.

http://truthfirstnow.blogspot.com”

What insane asylum did you escape from? What drugs are you doing? Wow! By the way, if Bush is so powerful, why is there even an election happening next month? Better still why are you even alive? Bushy is really falling down on the job.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:42 pm 74. Cichawoda:

when you draw a graph of political and ideological perspectives and map it onto a circle – Truth First and The Young Earth Creation Club are right there at the bottom – side by side

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:45 pm 75. J.E.Rendini:

Truth First (?)

You are confusing George Bush with Ming the Merciless.

He sent Katrina using his weather-control machines based on the planet Mongo.

It’s true. You can read about it in the funny papers.

JER

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:45 pm 76. Scott:

Soooooooooooo, now Bush controls the weather and manufactured Katrina to kill “Africans” on the Gulf Coast.

I wasn’t aware of these many “Africans” on the coast.

Shouldn’t truthfirst be attending a 911-was-an-inside-job meeting or something?

Seriously, truthfirst, it’s intellect like yours that have made the Left so….amusing for the last 8 years.

I hope you’re ready for a little payback. You’re going to need it, pal.

And oh, if your friends in the ghetto want to riot and burn down their own neighborhood, fine with me.

But don’t try to come into mine. We’re all armed here.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:46 pm 77. don:

Yep, chicky baby, it’s the white boys fault that Mr. Obama will be in the White House, and no credit due to him at all. I presume since justice will have been done, the angels will come down from chicken hawk heaven to bless San Francisco, there will be peace on earth and Polk Street, and good will toward men and women and those in doubt will abound–or at least toward children. I still can’t figure out why the city of Saint Francis has not been forced to do a name change to something more indigenous in the interest of political correctness, but I’m sure there will be lots of nation building and mid night basket ball in Chicago rather than liberating the ladies in Kabul. Drop acid not bombs, and keep your flowers fresh, you may have a world to save in Palestine, a roman name for an imperial province of Rome; even the palestinian is a political shuck and jive.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:49 pm 78. PC14:

Truthfirstnow, That WAM thing would make for a bitchin’ James Bond movie. The kids would eat it up. Dr WAM! All we need now is a theme song. John Williams, where are you when you’re needed?

Thing that gets me though, Bush can create hurricanes, with pinpoint, targeted precision, but the tool can’t even produce some fake WMDs to scatter around Iraq. Go figure, eh?

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:49 pm 79. Marie:

Cichawoda:

Where do you teach?

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:50 pm 80. jb:

Usually the Obamabots irritate me but today I have been extremely entertained. We have the best Obama trolls here than anywhere else and #66 Truth First I can’t wait for the next Oliver Stone or Spike Lee joint on what you posted.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:52 pm 81. Sarah:

P.S. Chichawoda
The welfare system in this country is BROKEN, like most other government run programs! Are there some people that need it? Yes! Should they be allowed to take advantage of it for years at a time, or possibly their whole lifetime? Certainly NOT! If you honestly believe that all government assistance goes to people in desparate need, you are sadly mistaken. I worked at a convenience store all through high school in which thousands of people abused the food stamp system – explain to my why it is “fair” and “equal” for me to be paying to put better food in other people’s mouths than what I eat while they are driving around in brand new cars and mine is 10 years old.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:54 pm 82. USAF Captain:

Marc, Sarah, et al,

We should not be discouraged — even if Obama wins. It took two years, almost a trillion dollars, and an MSM with it’s nose so far up Obama’s ass that they could not see the light of day, much less the truth and still the polls have him within reach.

It will be hard for Obama to sustain his popularity with the enmity from the middle-class wage-earners and small businessmen he and his goons will have stirred up. In addition, because he will want a second term, he will not be able to go too far to the left and, when his socialist utopia fails to materialize, the extreme left and the press will turn on him with gusto.

He and the first lemon-sucker, Michelle, will be hectoring the American public about how they should lead their lives, get their tires inflated, and get their cars tuned up, and that tune will grow old real quick.

Also, if Biden is right and the terrorists or foreign powers test him and he is found wanting, middle America will drop him like fourth period French.

Don’t believe me? Check out what happened to Carter. Remember 55 mph? remember the thermostat set at 74 degrees? Remember the “malaise” speech? Remember the 444-day hostage crisis. Remember the misery index?

Oh yes, as for the press turning on their beloved one? How are the Clintons doing these days? Seems to me that they were once the darlings of the left.

The democrats (with Republican help) have pretty much tooled this economy since 2006. Another couple of years of bread and circuses and those of us paying the freight will get tired of dragging the 40% who don’t pay any taxes (but get a welfare check from the Earbama administration) and will ge tired of having this country we love run down by jerks like “Truth First” and Willima Ayers, and those other butt plugs.

2008 may not be 1980 but 2012 sure will be.

So enjoy it all you can, trolls..

..except you, “Truth first”. You can go pound sand.

Oct 21, 2008 - 1:55 pm 83. Matt:

Cichawoda:

You are completely owning everybody in this thread, but they will never know it.

Sarah: Just for, like, ten seconds could you cool it with the “lazy people” yaddayadda? Because, guess what? I left home at 18, and never asked for a penny from my parents. I never went to college. I worked my ass off, learned some skills, bought a condo, and feel pretty damn good about myself.

And even so, I’m not so cold and arrogant that I think everyone in the country begins life at the same level of advantage as I did. But, you, even as America’s banks are being nationalized, still scream “Socialist” whenever anyone suggests that, gee, perhaps since we’re nationalizing the banks we should also give people that health care they’ve been asking for. Oh no, none of that for you. Socialism for the banks. Capitalism for everyone is.

And what’s so utterly jaw-dropping is, you just sit there and take it, and think that you and Joe the Plumber are all safe and cozy in the warm, loving arms of McCain and Palin. Because they care about you. Really they do.

Also, this, to all you Right Wing yahoos: being able to criticize your country, is, uh, kinda the freaking point. Ask the Founding Freaking Fathers, why don’t ya?

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:15 pm 84. Cichawoda:

Don, sweetie baby, you seems ruffled and confused. The nation building we want is here down home in all them steel mill towns. We just want to do good by all them coal miner daughters and one mule farmers. The only Angels I know about are the big hearted preaches and teachers who want to hug all them nasty boys on the right and left so hard as to bring them back to their senses and back to the meaning of this land. As for PC naming – the Anglos took all the cool Pomo ones so I guess they have to stick with what the Chicanos gave us. Lets leave the liberating and world saving to the UN seems like this economic and political process we value so much is not well suited for such long-term and costly projects – we can’t brag of a stellar track record. Seems we all would have more flowers to keep fresh if we all just took care of our part of the hood.

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:29 pm 85. Sarah:

Dear USAF Captain:
I am not discouraged and won’t be even if Obama wins. Hard times give the oportunity, to those of us that are innovative and hard working, the chance to thrive. Make no mistake, I will be one of those that thrive because I refuse to accept anything less.

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:38 pm 86. Ex-fetus:

http://ibdeditorials.com/CartoonPopUp.aspx?id=308264126311140

A picture can be worth a thousand words. Sometime even more.
Moran’s entire argument refuted by some lines on paper.
So goes Socialism.

“We stand today at a crossroads: One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other leads to total extinction. Let us hope we have the wisdom to make the right choice.”
- Woody Allen

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:38 pm 87. Cichawoda:

“while they are driving around in brand new cars and mine is 10 years old.” – you sound bitter, get an education and move up to a better car.
“welfare system in this country is BROKEN” – than it needs to be fixed, volunteer, I do.

Oct 21, 2008 - 2:43 pm 88. Eyedoc:

I would’nt rule out riots when Obama loses. After all, the media has been presenting these rigged polls for months showing Obama winning easily. When he loses, this will be seen as a stolen election, the irony of which will be simply amazing since Obama and ACORN are working religiously all over the country to steal the elction for Obama.

Oct 21, 2008 - 3:02 pm 89. don:

Hey, momma, I can dig it, but the UN couldn’t liberate a urinal on a good day in New York even if an X marked the spot; and if perfection is really the criteria for progress, then Uncle Tom would still be picking cotton.

Oct 21, 2008 - 3:14 pm 90. Cichawoda:

Ex-fetus:
I love Ramirez cartoons http://tinyurl.com/nbqtc
He is so unabashedly partisan – the Rep soul on display

Oct 21, 2008 - 3:26 pm 91. Therese:

Cichawoda:

Are you tired of talking to your brethren at Huffingtonpost.com, Moveon.org or DailyKos?

I suspect that you have some doubts about Obama and you are picking our brains to help you separate yourself from him. It’s okay. Obama’s wrong for you. Obama’s wrong for the country. Breaking up is hard to do, but you must do it for yourself and the country.

Go ahead. I am giving you permission to vote for McCain. Trust me. You’ll feel a whole lot better!

Oct 21, 2008 - 3:27 pm 92. NC Mountain Girl:

I am always amazed by those who claim to do so much with their lives who still find the time to burn up so much bandwidth responding to every single person who posts on a comment thread.

Alas, in real time when one walks away from a tedious bore, they often get the message. Alas in cyberspace they get to drivel on and on under the delusion they are being significant.

Oct 21, 2008 - 3:41 pm 93. KentAllard:

Cichawoda has said:

“while they are driving around in brand new cars and mine is 10 years old.” – you sound bitter, get an education and move up to a better car.
“welfare system in this country is BROKEN” – than it needs to be fixed, volunteer, I do.

Cichawoda before you volunteer too hard, try learning about ye old spell checker(hint: it is built into most educated browsers).

Oct 21, 2008 - 3:42 pm 94. Cichawoda:

Therese:
Yes I am tiered.
I am tiered of this country being constantly hijacked from it’s road of hope, freedom and the pursuit of happiness for ALL of it’s citizens.
I am tiered of the ideals of Enlightenment, that our Founding Fathers based their vision on, being constantly twisted into some grotesque and perverted version of Christianity powered by bigotry and greed.
I am tiered of the rhetoric of division being used to separate the people of this country from their prosperity and rightful future as a nation.
I am tiered of imperialistic ambitions and short term economic gains being put ahead of long term stability, prosperity and peace.
I am tiered of policies that squash technological progress because it may endanger the temporary status of some elite group.
I am tiered of rational truth being subjugated …
Do you really think McCain would make me feel better?
BTW do you ever really read and try to understand anything that is not in your sphere of beliefs?

Oct 21, 2008 - 4:05 pm 95. Cichawoda:

of course i ment “tired”

Oct 21, 2008 - 4:06 pm 96. Cichawoda:

hey Donny babe – you mistake breaking the urinal and leaving a big hole for liberation. We don’t even leave them a pot to piss in and we all act surprised when they just want to piss all over us. Perfection – if you gonna make all that effort of getting some place, what you have in mind, better be close. Don’t diss the UN – in many ways them people are the last best hope for all of us – I mean ALL – the whole tiny blue ball.

Oct 21, 2008 - 4:20 pm 97. Cichawoda:

KentAllard:
Huh?

Oct 21, 2008 - 4:27 pm 98. myth buster:

TruthFirst,
Jesus was not a son of Africa. Jesus is the King of the Jews, and Israel is in Asia, not Africa.

As for Obama, even if Obama wins, he will get smashed by Huckabee in 2012. Can you say, 49 state landslide?

Oct 21, 2008 - 4:38 pm 99. Cichawoda:

Back on articles topic – do you guys and gals consider the Pew Research a leftist org? If not here is some news to ruffle your feathers:
http://people-press.org/report/462/obamas-lead-widens

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:08 pm 100. Grace:

I totally understand why Moran is predicting gloom ‘n doom. And it may not be very scientific of me to disagree, but I’m with Therese (#28) — I think that in the days after the election, one of the biggest stories is going to be how it could be possible for all those dear, dear polls to be so completely inaccurate.

The problem is, the pollsters can’t help but look for confirmation of the narrative that has been shipped out over and over and over. The other problem is that the polls don’t register the extreme irritation that a lot of the country feels with having the media and a heavy-handed elitist class dictate the election to them. You can trust me on this — there’s a particular kind of passion in my battleground state that I didn’t see here in 2004 or 2006.

I can’t know who will win the election any more than Rick Moran or — sorry, kiddo — “Truth First” can. But my little guess, for what it’s worth, is that anyone who is treating the polls as gospel is going to be verrry surprised.

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:19 pm 101. Nine-of-Diamonds:

“Don’t diss the UN – in many ways them people are the last best hope for all of us – I mean ALL – the whole tiny blue ball.”

If you’re a fan of child rape & embezzlement, then sure! I agree whole-heartedly.

@myth buster – I agree O will be a one-term wonder at most. He should be scared that with such massive media support, financial advantages, and a weak incumbent party he is not doing better than he has been. If he does win then people are going to drop him faster than you can say “buyer’s remorse”. It may feel good to elect the first “black” president but how does that benefit you when a major international crisis breaks out, and our “Articulate, clean” president’s paralyzed by indecision? Will 0bama’s blackness be of comfort once he taxes half our small businesses out of existence and promotes the Fannie Mae cronies who were responsible for the credit crisis? You have to wonder…

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:33 pm 102. Truth First:

Obama is a son of Africa and a son of Kings and Queens. So was Jesus.

One of the biggest cover-ups in human history involves the truth about Jesus. Jesus was not white man but was a son of Africa was killed by the white man for being a black African.

So fearful is the white man of Jesus and his message of peace, we have seen the white man do everything possible to hide and distort the meaning of Jesus. The white man has turned the birth of Jesus into a commercial affair meant to exploit the working poor.

http://truthfirstnow.blogspot.com

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:45 pm 103. Therese:

Cichawoda:

I used to be a Democrat, so you don’t have to lecture me about beliefs. The Democratic party is not what it used to be. It has been taken over by the far-left. The ideology of the party is towards Socialism/Communism which is a shame.

Look, I can see that you have emotionally committed yourself to Obama. But this is a bad relationship. Obama is a con man. He is leading you and lots of other people on.

You’ve become too emotionally involved with Obama like you have a new man in your life. Here’s how it works. Mr. Right comes seemingly from nowhere and tells you everything that you want to hear. He’s charming. He’s wonderful. He’s almost too good to be true. You fall hard. Very hard. But there are friends trying to tell you that something is wrong with Mr. Right. You get upset. You defend him. You call your well-intentioned friends names. Eventually, Mr. Right proves himself to be Mr. Wrong and your heart is broken. You then realize that what your friends told you was true – He was a jerk that was leading you on. If only you had listened early on and ended the relationship!

Cichawoda, Obama is your Mr. Wrong. The guy is leading you on. He has been lying about his relationships – Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers and Tony Rezko. He has slipped about his intentions for socialism and is now trying to make you like it. And worse yet, the man may not even be a U.S. citizen. And Cichawoda, look how he and his friends have treated other people. It was despicable how they treated Hillary Clinton. Then he helped try to abuse Sarah Palin. Now, Joe the Plumber, who is not even running for office is getting the abuse. The way Mr. Wrong has treated these people is an indication of how he will treat you.

When you vote Cichawoda, you can cleanse your conscience by voting for John McCain. Your liberal friends won’t be there in the ballot box with you, so you can do it without ever letting them know.

I know that you wouldn’t be here unless there was something deep down inside of you that knows that we are all right and that you’ve fallen too hard for the wrong man.

Let go of Obama. He’s wrong for you. He’s wrong for everyone in the country. Vote for John McCain and save yourself and your country.

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:57 pm 104. Cdn Soldier:

USAF Captain: Spoken like a true professional soldier and objective observer. You are correct on all counts and I thank you for concise summation. Socialism stinks (take it from someone who was raised in a country which went socialist quickly and who watched as peoples apathy went way up-which will not happen in the U.S.-Americans have spunk!). Truth First: you’re either the looniest in the looney bin or, if you’re a plant, you missed your mark by a country mile-what are you smoking anyway?? Obamanation is doomed to failure. It’s a lot of lies force fed to a lot of thinking people by the biggest and best propoganda machine (AKA the MSM) since Joseph Goebbels (he’s green with envy, even in Hell). Well, Mr. Truth Foist: Don’t Tread On ME….Give me Liberty or give me Death….and, like, wow, man….I mean it. Anyone who wants Obamanation Socialism wants nothing but what their selfish desires dictate-extreme environmentalism to the point of making farming against the law, leftist police to confiscate firemarms (that means all you closet left wing gun owners, too, by the way) and only leftist tripe oozing out of the radio station. Remember, leftie, the first to go in a communist regime are the “enlightened thinkers.” My cards are on the table. Born Canadian, former Canadian soldier and police officer and ONE DAMN PROUD U.S. citizen now. AND (this’ll really razzle dazzle ole truth first) a born again Christian who is good, not nice. I do cling to my guns and my bible, also. Care to debate God’s ideas about a political party who seeks to persecute Christians and remove God from our culture? Ain’t gonna happen, pal.

Oct 21, 2008 - 5:58 pm 105. Jeff:

Hey cubanbob, wouldn’t it just be easier to pay for passage out of the country rather than try and kill them with the weather? Surely the conspiratorial a diabolical Bush could have engineered that. Perhaps he could have got the same guys that faked the moon landings to have a fake ocean liner, then they could have boarded and all plunged to their death in the Bermuda Triangle.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Oct 21, 2008 - 6:16 pm 106. Therese:

Here’s a link to an article about the latest Battleground Polls showing that this race is very tight:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/21/battleground-poll-dead-heat.php

What can we glean from all of this? THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE NOW USING PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE TO TRY TO KEEP US ALL FROM THE POLLS.

Even with all of the Acorn cheating, they still need McCain turnout to be lower. Vote, Vote, Vote!

Oct 21, 2008 - 6:17 pm 107. cubanbob:

” 105. Jeff:

Hey cubanbob, wouldn’t it just be easier to pay for passage out of the country rather than try and kill them with the weather? Surely the conspiratorial a diabolical Bush could have engineered that. Perhaps he could have got the same guys that faked the moon landings to have a fake ocean liner, then they could have boarded and all plunged to their death in the Bermuda Triangle.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.
Oct 21, 2008 – 6:16 pm”

Dude, I like your thinking. Anyway, whats up with up the Chimperator? He really has been slacking off on the job lately. Darth Vader is gonna have to take that boy out to the woodshed.

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:34 pm 108. fred:

USAF Captain,

A lot of the Obama supporters either were not born yet or were just infants and toddlers during the Carter Presidency years. People my age (53) remember them well and so we learned from the experience.

These kids who have fallen hard for Obama and socialism are truly babes in the woods. In fact, they don’t even know the provenance of the ideas their teachers and professors have nurtured within them. The kids are told that these ideas derive from “progressive” thought, but are careful to not reveal how “progressive” is nomenclature of repackaging. How do I know this? From 1977-87 I was an academic Marxist who was TOLD by leaders of activist cells in the International Solidarity Movement (it remains a Communist front organization)not to call myself a Marxist. I was told to use the term “progressive” and to not speak openly about socialist thought and philosophy.

And that’s why today when you tell these kids that they are advocating socialism they look at you like you’re a Hydra. Truly, the vast majority are unaware that they are being used as useful idiots.

Oct 21, 2008 - 7:47 pm 109. thegr8_1:

McCainiacs go and vote we need all of you. Ignore the media the polls etc. Obama thinks he has clinched a lot of his voters are young and will not vote. If we all vote we will triumph. Palin even has more experience than Obama and is running for VICE President.
Go to Debka.com and read the article that says Iran will have a nuclear bomb by Feb 2009. Who do you want answering that phone call at 3 AM that a mushroom cloud has been set off in the Middle East? We cannot afford to be wrong.

Oct 21, 2008 - 8:10 pm 110. TruthHound:

Our Faces are Turning Blue–Our States Are NOT!

There’s a common reaction to anger among children. Although I don’t remember doing it myself, in response to not getting her way, my niece would clamp her jaw tightly shut, puff up her cheeks and hold her breath until her face would turn blue. Quite a pathetic display.

And although her little tantrum caused an inkling of anxiety on our part, we knew that it’s physically impossible to voluntarily suffocate and die in this manner.

Americans are PISSED at our government. We’re rightfully seeing such blatant corruption and mismanagement in Washington, that we’re on the verge of gathering torches and pitchforks and storming the castle. Our cries of outrage are falling on deaf ears with an inept partisan media sending our leaders the WRONG message that the cure for our ills is to take our nation deeper into government meddling. With the do-nothing congress’ approval at 10%, Pelosh!t seems confident that sending more idiot liberals to the capital is America’s order of the day. Bushwah!

Yes, the Messiah HAS come forth to our salvation. But he’s not a life-long Chicago politician…he’s a plumber. Joe has finally shed the much needed light on the Zero’s intentions for our Country and I, for one, an sensing a great awakening just in time for election day.

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL NOT SLIP BLINDLY TOWARDS A SOCIALISTIC (AND DARE I SAY COMMUNIST) SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT!

The party of “the people” (cue the mule) has now become an arrogant bunch of jack-booted Gestapo thugs, ready to drag decent, hard-working patriots off to re-programming camps if we dare question authority. Have you SEEN the laughing Obamabots at his rallies upon the mention of Joe the plumber? Condescending DICK-HEADS!

America is 3/5ths CONSERVATIVE! That’s a FACT! How long do you expect us to sit here and be castigated as hick retards for the mere sin of upholding our capitalistic ideals that a dozen generations have died to preserve? How long are we expected to lie down and be spray-painted with the word RACIST just because we can know a slick, euro-centric, opportunist, cosmopolitan Marxist when we see one?

My friends, the day of reckoning is upon us. Our political alarm clock is screaming for us to WAKE THE HELL UP. The tide is turning and ALL the momentum is going towards a great victory for the RIGHT in America. Right in every sense of the word!

Barack Obama WILL NOT win Florida! Or Colorado! Or Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Nevada or even Pennsylvania! The noxious novacaine of bloated government is wearing off fast. We are too fine of a country to let failure trump the potential for GREATNESS.

Democrats, liberals, leftist media, Hollywood, union thugs, commie professors, pervert advocates, cheating “community organizers”, elitist pigs, tax-mooching BUMS…hear this: Your Days are NUMBERED!

November 4th, 2008 will be remembered as the day REAL PATRIOTS re-affirmed our commitment to the liberties our forefathers entrusted us to uphold.

Oct 21, 2008 - 10:28 pm 111. nick:

Reagan won only because

1 Iran held hostage till election
2 15 interest rates
3 7 % unemployment

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:35 pm 112. bobc:

Canadian army? that committed war crimes in Somalia that turned your country agasint you?

you are a riot/

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:55 pm 113. nick:

theresa the democrat party is the same as when JFK , and you were not a democrat then

that is why his Daughter works for OBAMA

Oct 21, 2008 - 11:57 pm 114. nick:

capt you will never make major you lie too much

only reason Mccain is not FAR behind is becasue he is white!

Oct 22, 2008 - 12:05 am 115. Cichawoda:

“THE OBAMA PEOPLE ARE NOW USING PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE” – you and Truth First would make a great couple. Best laugh I had all day.

Oct 22, 2008 - 1:24 am 116. Anonymous:

USAF Captain – I’m not worried a bit. Joe the Plumber was the reset button for the campaign. Biden showed he does know some things. He’s been all over the inexperience thing from the beginning. I know the race is actually a dead heat, and trending McCain’s way.

Talked to a neighbor today. He’s voting for Obama, but Pub the rest of the way. He claims independence, but his values are all center-right. I live in Washington State. My vote for Prez won’t matter, because we’re so Blue here, but the Obama support here isn’t rabid like so many other parts of the country. We’re 60% Dem, but we may well elect our first Pub Governor in a long time.

I have been a bit less vocal here lately, because there’s been so little substance here what with the troll invasion. Someone needs to talk to PJM. The trolls are making it impossible to enjoy the site and engage in any dialogue. Wish I knew how.

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:21 am 117. Kevin:

“If for some reason he is not elected then there will be a cry of outrage so great that America and all its racist institutions will shake and collapse. It will be the end of America and God will damn it for its final and most terrible sin.”

Does those racist institutions include Obama’s own church? Cause he might be mad about that part. Or is it only RIGHT leaning racist institutions that are wrong?

I think you are over-exaggerating a tad. And probably need to take a step away from politics for awhile before someone eventually has to shoot you down from a water tower.

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:50 am 118. jb:

102. Truth First,
GET THIS STRAIGHT. JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR THE 102. Truth First,
GET THIS STRAIGHT. JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR THE SINS OF MANKIND. YOU WANT HIM TO BE BLACK, FINE, HE’S BLACK. NO ONE CARES WHAT COLOUR HE IS. HE TOLD PILOTE THE ONLY POWER HE HAD WAS WHAT GOD GAVE HIM (PARAPHRASED).

“Jesus was not white man but was a son of Africa was killed by the white man for being a black African”

THAT IS JUST TO STUPID TO COMMENT ON OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD. SO REPENT AND TURN FROM YOUR MORONIC WAYS LEST YOU BE A TWIT FOREVER.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:25 am 119. McSame:

You people are retards. Its not IF Obama will win its by HOW Much he will win by. And you people consider yourself up on politics. Thats why you are republicans, you can’t face facts because you have to much FAITH in your warped beliefs.

Oct 22, 2008 - 6:44 am 120. Anonymous:

119. McSame, That retard finger point at you.

Oct 22, 2008 - 7:10 am 121. Anonymous:

McSame – tell that to presidents Gore and Kerry

Obama has the media bias in his back pocket, even against Hillary

unfortunately, America isn’t all buying into it
republicans are pissed off, Hillary democrats are pissed off, etc

not exposing Obama for who he is will cost him the election and the media major credibility

American is not a leftist leaning nation and it won’t elect an unknown, with little experience, tax socialist and questionable background

Oct 22, 2008 - 7:14 am 122. Therese:

TruthHound:

Well said! Thank you!

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:08 am 123. nick:

Mccain had 4.5 hours, (thats four and a half hours for Rush Limbaugh)
to “expose”

DUH!

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:18 am 124. Matt:

Cichawoda: You are very nearly the only sane person speaking in this thread. Thank you.

Oct 22, 2008 - 10:18 am 125. Sandy Salt:

The trolls just stink that place up with crazy talk about conspiracies. It make zero difference who wins in November because it is the American people that lose either way. In case you haven’t noticed the Congress is going to be even more in the Democrats pocket and the Senate is probably going to have greater than 60 Democrats. This means that Pelosi and Reid will be driving the bus. Obama will go along willingly and McCain is too much of a reach across the aisle kind of guy to stop them. So yak all you want, but it isn’t really going to change the final outcome. Maybe after two years of Pelosi and Reid stinking the place up, we might actually get some much needed change in Washington in 2010, but more than likely we will have to wait until 2012. It doesn’t matter because until we grab our pitchforks and actually storm the castle Washington is going to be business as usual.

Oct 22, 2008 - 11:39 am 126. tom:

Sandy Salt

I’d rather have McCain vetoing Pelosi and Reid then Obama rubber stamping them to socialism

yes, we will have to make some tough choices, but we can

the housing market will turn, the dollar still needs to be stabilized and won’t if we keep spending like there is no tommorrow, the markets will calm (our economy didn’t disappear in 1 year).

Reagan came in on a terrible economy. Interest rates in the teens, etc. and beat the imcumbent. McCain does get some of the “guilty by association” card, but the fatal flaw is America saw who Regan was and responded. Obama isn’t coming clean with America and they won’t throw out stability for empty promises of change

McCain is clearly gaining on the Joe the Plumber movement

Obama peaked too early and finally showed his true intentions

you’ll see how America responds 11/4

Oct 22, 2008 - 12:23 pm 127. Marina:

Does Rick Moran want to be the second Allahpundit from the Hot Air? Too late! Their own Ed Morissey is already N 2. So, Rick can be only N 3. Sad.

Anyway, I’m still surprised, than anyone has even tried to question our “vote-capacity” through the fake polls on the Pajamas. That’s really sick! Pajamas was one of the first blogs where the PEOPLE stopped to believe in polls. I still remember the times when the other blogs were really depressed about polls, but not here! Our people were always logical and critical thinking: why is Obama so hysterical if he is winning? etc.

The other commentators on the other blogs from our side were less sure, but not on Pajamas! Now the other part of our blogosphere has turned out from these pseudo-polls. Just check the comments on our sites. It’s great! And exactly at this moment Pajamas starts this “poll-sh.t” again! WTF? We don’t bye it!

P.S. Did Rick Moran really quoted the “DAYLY KOS” poll as a reliable source???????? wooooow. that’s a hard core…

Oct 22, 2008 - 12:35 pm 128. peach:

Was the MSM media liberally biased 1n 1980 as it is today? and I’m pretty sure the polls are conducted by leftists! I was only 2 yrs old in 1980, but growing up over the years, I honestly have never seen the media have a bias like it does now!!!

Oct 22, 2008 - 1:13 pm 129. Sandy Salt:

Tom,
I would like to believe you when you say he will veto, but his record says otherwise. All his talk about reaching across the aisle is to move to a more Democrat like position. He has never pulled them over to the Republican side. I stand by my position that it is irrelevant on who wins in November and it might even be better for Obama and the Democrats to be in power as the recession actually hits (we aren’t even in one yet according to the definition), so they can take the blame.

The housing market is not going to recover any time soon. The market was over inflated in some places by 100% and with true gains running more like 5% a year, it will take a real long time for the housing markets to recover. They are already talking about even more home mortgage failures because as the prices return to reality there are a lot of people “underwater” on their houses and are willing to walk away. We have not begun to see the bottom of the housing market. This will continue to be a drag on the economy for at least 2-3 more years, so who do you think is going to force the Congress to fix it? Obama? McCain? I say neither.

I do believe that we will eventually see our way out of this crisis, but it isn’t going to be pretty and McCain is not going to be effective and Obama is just worse. Yeah us.

Oct 22, 2008 - 1:22 pm 130. tom:

Sandy

I understand your argument that it is better to lose and what the whole country get disenfranchised with the one as the country tanks.

Unfortunately unlike Clinton (who’s first two years brought on the Gingrich revolution), we are not dealing with someone reasonable. Obama will take this country down and in a big way. Biden, seeing security briefings for the first time is already envoking WWIII.

There were huge increases in housing sales in California – people buying bargains this month. I think many more ARM loans will fold in the next two years when their rates inflate. Many people will go back to living within their means (renting foreclosed smaller houses)

But contrasting heavy taxes and major spending with McCain’s axe then scapel mode certainly will have some differences

If only we could win the senate on McCain electorial victory, but that doesn’t look likely

whoever is in charge will take major heat, if they can deal effectively bless us all, but if it’s obama – I’m afraid he can wield much more damage and intentionally

Oct 22, 2008 - 2:51 pm 131. Marc Malone:

Above comments is why I’m voting McCain: he’ll do less damage! I’m not kidding.

The selection of candidates this year were really all pretty flawed:

McCain, too little domestic knowledge. Thompson, wise, but too little experience. Huckabee, too far right. Romney, too many words to say nothing. Giuliani, no message.

Dems were worse: Obama, no experience and socialist; Hillary, no accomplishments; Edwards, empty suit; Biden, BS artist. I think there was someone else… forgettable.

Oct 22, 2008 - 3:14 pm 132. nick:

yes marc malone is so accomplished

ROFLMGO!

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:19 pm 133. nick:

yes Colin Powell wants to take this country down
after 30 years of fighting for it

while you chicken hawks sat on your ass

Oct 22, 2008 - 8:20 pm 134. Orlando:

Rick: I think you got it all wrong. This election is more like 1976, 1988 or 1992 one a rep victory the other two dems. Why? You allude to 1980 when Reagan came up after Carter led most of the way. The press in that election, as in all elections had over vetted Reagan and ran stories against him by a ratio of 9:1, he finally pulled away when America realized he wasn’t the monster portrayed in the media. This year Obama gets universal adoration from the media while Mc Cain gets disdain. It is similar to 1992. Only Clinton won with the help of the Reform party. Yet he still had an 11% lead on the weekend before the election and managed to eke out a 4% win. I think Obama does not have the Reform party, but he does have $2B more in money than Mc Cain and he will get about a 3-4% victory with that money. Mark my words, if the press had treated Reagan the way it is treating Obama, those polls would have been completely reversed and Reagan would have carried every state. The press did not turn against Carter until just the fortnight before the election when the polls ’suddenly’ reversed themselves [regardless, the media still could not manage to run stories in favor of Reagan, it just hated both candidates after about Oct 23rd 1980].

Oct 22, 2008 - 9:32 pm 135. Marc Malone:

nick – No, I’m not highly accomplished. I had a really rough childhood, then I developed health issues. Still, i was making progress, then I went mostly blind. You still laughing at me, hmm?

Anyway, I’m not running for Prez. My qualifications don’t matter, just my reasoning, my character, and my values. Do you dispute this?

As to “chickenhawks”, some of us served. How about you? More importantly, how about Obama? I believe, that if elected, he’ll be the first Prez to have never served in the military. Isn’t that interesting?

Oct 23, 2008 - 1:19 am 136. Kevin:

“You people are retards. Its not IF Obama will win its by HOW Much he will win by. And you people consider yourself up on politics. Thats why you are republicans, you can’t face facts because you have to much FAITH in your warped beliefs.”

I was told the same thing about Kerry and Edwards. I am not saying who will win. I wouldn’t be so stupid to do such a thing. You must have a lot of faith in your warped beliefs.

Oct 23, 2008 - 2:40 am 137. Kevin:

“McSame, That retard finger point at you.”

Well anyone using the name McSame pretty much is. Considering the Left USED McCain back in 2004 as a shill AGAINST Bush (Remember he wrote a book attacking Bush’s policies) and how Obama’s vice president choice (keep forgetting his name… he isn’t mentioned much anymore since the left has had him in hiding ) Told Kerry that he should ASK McCain to be his VP in the last election.

Yet, NOW McCain is McSame and just like Bush.

LAWL! That’s a spin in a half. But then again the left are known to waffle like that, just like the whole Iraq thing.

Too many people remember McCain being a shill against Bush in 2004 to believe the “McSame” bullcrap.

The only ones that do, are the ones that know better anyhow, but still stay it because the TRUTH doesn’t matter to them.

And if Obama does get in, He is going to get the SLAMMING of his life. The way the left attacked Bush the past 8 years will look like child’s play the way Obama would get it if he gets elected. If McCain gets it? You are right, it will be McSame. McSame way the left treated Bush.

Sorry, I just don’t buy into that “I am better than you” act the left portray.

Oct 23, 2008 - 2:46 am 138. McSame:

Please do yourself a favor and bet the house on McCain. Whats one more foreclosed house out there? I can’t wait to be back here in 2 weeks laughing at all of you. It will be great. But I am sure most of you will bury your heads and not appear for 2-4 months. Good luck with that Grandpa candidate and that overpriced hooker you have, guaranteed you will look back in three weeks and say “what were we thinking?”

Oct 23, 2008 - 6:21 am 139. momof3:

Jeff, ENOUGH with the idiotic post. I’ve seen it on every election thread on this site!! You are convincing no one with your repeats.

Truth, we don’t give a rat’s ASS what the world thinks. We care what America, the country people the world over die trying to get into, thinks. That’s all.

Hooyah!

I was in Tenn 4 years ago, counting 10-1 kerry to bush signs. Guess what? Tn went Bush. Polls are no longer accurate because the media runs them, and we all know they go left. They hope to convince repubs that their candidate will lose, to make it a self-fulfilling prophesy. It didn’t work, and it won’t work.

I’m off to early-vote McCain now. See you at the voting booth!

Oct 23, 2008 - 10:29 am 140. ExRepublican:

As far as I’m concerned, the last great president was Ronald Reagan, and that seems to be the concensus of most Republicans that I’ve spoken with. As for my ”name”, ExRepublican, that is how it must be for me from now on. People, we need to analyze the Republican party for what it IS today, not the great party of the past. Every time the Republican party ”reaches across the isle” to the Democrats, somehow and for some reason the Republicans keep getting pulled to the left – and the makes me sick. The Republicans are now in the middle, straddling the fence with a few stragglers on the right. I used to say that I was a “conservative 1st, a Republican 2nd”. Now I’m just a ”conservative” in search of a party with my same values. A 3rd (conservative) party is needed to wake up the Republicans – if that’s possible. McCain was the worst pick of the bunch as far as I’m concerned. Yes, I know, I know he was a P.O.W. and I appreciate his sacrifice BUT that was then, this is now. We needed a STRONG conservative to rally the best of the Republicans for a victory tomorrow – not a fence straddler, liberal like McCain. After Bush’s spend, spend, spend 2nd term, we needed a TRUE conservative to lift the party up. As for me, I see clearly now. Just think how many times Bush and his buds told us that, ”the economy is strong” – more times and more lies than I cared to keep track of. Now he’s given the crooks more money as a ”reward” for such a ‘’strong economy”. No thanks – to him and the many Republican politicians who voted over a trillion dollars of our money away. Now that’s ”conservative”, isn’t it!?!

Oct 23, 2008 - 12:27 pm 141. Marc Malone:

ExRepublican – You won’t find much argument on this site. McCain is a stopgap. He’s a vote against Obama. There are many mid-40’s pols out there coming up. In another few years, things will be very different.

Oct 23, 2008 - 10:00 pm

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