Mitt and Mac Trade Barbs in California GOP Debate

PJM Simi Valley: Bridget Johnson was at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Wednesday night for the fiery Republican face-off that had Mitt Romney and John McCain sniping and trading accusations, while the other candidates grumbled over their lack of air time.

January 30, 2008 - by Bridget Johnson

8:58 pm PST — Wrap-up

California is known for its faults – seismic bad boys called fault lines, that is – and a new rupture in the earth was discovered on Wednesday night under the scenic Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley.

The fault wasn’t that deep, and was pretty wee as far as length, too. In fact, the fault, dubbed the Frontrunner Divide, ran exactly between the chairs of John McCain and Mitt Romney. And at the onset of the pre-Super Tuesday debate, this previously undiscovered fault ruptured with at least a magnitude 8.0 (or is it ‘08?).

Backdropped by Air Force One, and with the Kindergarten Cop himself eyeing the squabble from the front seat, all that remained to be done between Mac and Mitt was hair pulling (advantage: McCain) and pimp-slapping. The evening began with the issue that was, for a time, propelling a resurgence by Romney in Florida: the economy. CNN’s Anderson Cooper, who proved quite capable of reining in the debate while allowing us to still be entertained by full-scale warfare, asked if Americans were better off than they were eight years ago. When Romney insisted on talking about his gubernatorial record, Cooper asked, “Are you running for governor or president?” (This scored the first of many cackle points from the press corps.)

“I think you could argue that overall Americans are better off,” McCain said, adding that there are tough times ahead and “Americans are uncertain.” Mike Huckabee, in one of the questions he actually got to answer, blamed a Congress that “sits on its hands” for the current economic conundrum while launching his general role for the evening: the populist to replace departed poseur populist John Edwards. Ron Paul launched his platform that there are fewer than seven degrees of separation between any issue and antiwar rhetoric.

Then came the “I’m more conservative than thou” debate, the first of many questions that intentionally pitted McCain and Romney at each other’s throats. “Those views are outside the mainstream of conservative thought,” Romney said after rattling off Anwar drilling, tax cuts, McCain-Feingold, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Lieberman, etc. Then, in the first of the evening’s full-body slams, Romney dumped on McCain for getting the endorsement of the New York Times. McCain fired back that he got the endorsements of Romney’s hometown papers (the Boston Globe and Boston Herald), adding, “Let me guarantee you that the Arizona Republic will be endorsing me, my friend.” (The Republic did endorse their hometown senator on Sunday.)

All was not about Mac and Mitt – er, in theory, at least. Huckabee was asked if, as Rush Limbaugh has suggested, his election would spell the fiery destruction of the Republican Party. “On this, he’s very wrong,” he said, prefacing that with his Rush fan club statement and later adding that Limbaugh had previously praised his “tax me more fund.” In the middle of that response, though, he chided Cooper for neglecting his seat at the far end of the stage. “This isn’t a two-man race,” Huckabee said.

On the topic of the environment, McCain said he had to agree with Schwarzenegger’s environmental protection efforts as long as the governor was in the front row to beat him up, adding that he’s a federalist who believes in states making salient decisions. “We Westerners care very much about our environment,” he said, wanting no global warming pacts without the agreement of India and China. “I side with states on greenhouse emissions,” Romney responded, encouraging energy independence. When given a chance to comment on the environment, Paul lamented his lack of opportunity to chime in on the “more conservative than thou” debate. “You’ll have another chance to speak,” Cooper interrupted Paul.

You’d think the word of the hour before the California crowd would have been “amnesty,” but there was actually not much time spent on immigration. Huckabee danced around a question regarding whether children of illegal immigrants should continue to get immediate citizenship, and Romney took the opportunity to run with an issuing driving many conservatives after being asked about his policy on mass deportations. “You allow enough time for people to organize their affairs and go home,” he said. “…That’s what I found so offensive about the Z-visa … you must get in line with everyone else who wants to come here.” McCain said that, knowing what he knows now about public sentiment on securing the border first, he doesn’t believe his immigration legislation would/should go up for a vote.

The word of the hour, though, was “Gipper.” The out-of-left-field question of the night belonged to, well, Reagan’s diary, which was on the desk next to Cooper. He read an entry about Reagan’s decision to appoint Sandra Day O’Connor to the Supreme Court, then asked the presidential hopefuls whether they would have done the same. “History will have to determine that and I’m not going to come to the Reagan Library and question his decisions,” Huckabee said. “I’m not that stupid.” The other three shied away from a similar theoretical appointment.

Since we’d at this point gone far too long without a Mitt-Mac smackdown, the debate turned to a lengthy argument of what the word “timetable” means. Romney’s quote using the word that provided the basis of a Mac attack was read, re-read, analyzed, analyzed in context, read by Cooper, and basically inspired a lot of Huckabee and Paul grimaces at being the guys not invited to the brawl. Just when it seemed like it couldn’t be debated one second more, Romney invoked the R-word when slamming McCain’s attacks: “Sorta falls within the kind of dirty tricks that Ronald Reagan would have found reprehensible,” he said to big cheers. McCain later told Romney “you know what to do with your money; you can spend it all on negative ads,” drawing chuckles.

“I didn’t come here to umpire a ballgame between these two,” Huckabee snapped when he finally got a chance to talk.

The Richter-scale brawl continued with debate over who’s a leader, who’s a manager, which is better, etc. Romney contended that governors are better than senators when it comes to leading, and McCain fired a zinger at the businessman, stating, “He bought and sold and sometimes people lost their jobs; that’s the nature of business.” In the press room, reporters howled. “Real leadership recognizes what your decisions do to people at the bottom,” Huckabee chimed in, echoing Edwards with less smarm.

The debate concluded with gusts of the Santa Ana winds across the hilltop library, even though all of the hot air had already blown in the debate. And questions lingered in the air: Who really won? Two guys fought, one guy tried to make his case, and another would regardless be declared the winner on cable news by rapid-fire text messagers. Would the battle between Mitt and Mac grow fiercer after Schwarzenegger’s endorsement today? Will Super Tuesday become a full-contact sport?

“We now have a pro-American president of France,” McCain said, albeit of global warming, “which shows that if you live long enough, anything is possible.”

6:44 pm PST:

The debate is over, and, go figure, people now just want to be next to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Mike Huckabee actually scored the winning point on the close, when asked whether Ronald Reagan would endorse him and why. Huckabee thought it would be “incredibly presumptuous and arrogant” to predict which candidate the Gipper would pick. This, of course, after Romney said “me,” McCain alluded to himself, and Ron Paul wasn’t sure. Nancy Reagan looked pleased with the Huck. Time to eat my complimentary Reagan Library Jelly Bellys and write the story.

6:30 pm PST:

The Ron Paul folks must have been hiding in the fuselage of Air Force One, because he’s been getting cheers since the break. The press corps is about to start taking bets on the Mac and Mitt cage match. Huckabee is clearly frustrated at being outside the mutual smackdown, snapping, “I didn’t come here to umpire a ballgame between these two.” Huckabee and Paul have spent a lot of the debate quietly grumbling to each other, presumably about their lack of questions and camera time.

6:13 pm PST — After the break

Cage match! McCain and Romney are tangling and waking up the crowd (as well as the press)! Somebody protect that valuable Reagan diary on the desk next to Anderson Cooper before Mitt and Mac start flipping over desks!

6:05 pm PST — Halftime report

It’s official: The Ron Paul smackdown is in full effect! Anderson Cooper is waging this battle, interrupting the gynecologist/congressman at every opportunity as Paul has attempted to turn every recession question into a war referendum. (Like in response to a discussion about infrastructure: “We have a foreign policy where we blow up bridges overseas…”) As Romney and McCain, seated next to each other and closest to the moderators, are going for the jugular, Mike Huckabee has been jockeying for equal time. The crowd is pretty subdued, and the Ron Paul fans seem to have been weeded out. The journalists in the press center are rowdier than the polite Republicans hanging out next to Air Force One.

Bridget Johnson is a columnist at the Los Angeles Daily News.

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15 Comments

1. ted:

Did not Anderson promise Ron Paul time to speak, then not follow through. Was it dishonorable for the other canidates not to point out that Paul get his time. Typical of self centered “leaders”, forget fair and honorable, Its all about me getting what I want for me!

Lets call it as it is, Stinky!

Jan 30, 2008 - 7:07 pm 2. redtop:

This was the worst debate I have ever seen – Paul and Huckabee were sent to the end of the platform and hardly ever had a question lobbed their way and when Paul spoke Romney and McCain rolled their eyes and snickered – they acted like children – and the inane questions – who ever called this a debate is insane! I will not have the media who I am going to vote for – I expect all running for office to have “equal time”!

Jan 30, 2008 - 9:03 pm 3. steve:

McCain showed himself to be a complete fraud on the milestones – timetables accusation! He looked absolutely petty! I was actually George S. Patton in a previous life, and I recall Omar Bradley asking me if I wanted to saunter up to Bastogne to relieve the 101st! I asked him when I had to leave, and he told me the 101st was fighting tanks with rifle butts and would all be dead in five days! I told Omar, “I am tired of timetables Omar, I’ll get there when I get there!” Not! He got there in 3 days as he said he would, to much skepticism, and saved the Division.

Of course the military always works on schedules and timetables for objectives, and McCain knows it!

Steve

Jan 30, 2008 - 9:20 pm 4. J ADAMS:

I know where my goverment hand out is going;helping RON

Jan 30, 2008 - 9:33 pm 5. A. N. Pierson:

Why does Ron Paul deserve to be there at all? He got, what, 3 percent in Florida. His numbers go lower and lower. This is about his ego. His followers are members of a diminishing cult. Maybe they should join forces with the Scientologists.

Jan 30, 2008 - 9:41 pm 6. Rob:

Whether you believe that Ron Paul deserved to be there or not is up to you. However, when you invite a Congressman on national TV and then disrespect him like that, it shows that CNN was irresponsible as a host. I’ve stopped watching 360 and it’s probably because Anderson runs his show like he ran this debate.

Jan 30, 2008 - 9:58 pm 7. Bryant:

Wow. What a bunch of goofs up there. I feel sorry for Huckabee and Paul having to put up loosing to childish brats.

May the best man win… heh.

Jan 30, 2008 - 11:04 pm 8. RE:

What McCain says on the campaign trail at this point is quite meaningless. They are words – words are cheap.

The manner in which McCain handled Immigration ‘reform’ bill tells me everything I need to know:

1) come up with a plan behind closed doors.
2) introduce it to congress on a timeline that makes scrutiny impossible
3) write the bill in a deceptive manner, hiding escape clauses in the fine print.
4) Declare yourself the supreme subject matter expert and dismiss all skeptics as no-nothing idiots.
5) enlist surrogates (like Lindsey Graham) to smear opponents as racists and bigots.

It’s not what people say. It’s what people do.

Hat’s off to the Heritage Foundation, National Review magazine, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham and all the others who exposed the fraud that McCain/Kennedy attempted to perpetrate on the American people.

McCain’s passion for circumventing the democratic process regarding immigration reform undermines his credibility.

I have almost much difficulty getting behind the concept of a King McCain as I do a Queen Hillary.

Jan 31, 2008 - 5:06 am 9. Mr Ed:

When the entire focus is on the quibbling between the two front runners and not on their vision or messages, we all lose. Yes, much of the quibbling is based on substantive differences between the candidates on important issues, but all of the attention seens to be on the process and personalities, not the details.

When Romney mentioned the big three, McCain-Feinhold, McCain-Kennedy and McCain-Lieberman, I wanted to hear the details about exactly WHY those pieces of legislation are bad. But no, this is all about pontification, bluster and who has the best zinger line that will make for good copy.

And while I don’t particularly like Huckabee or Paul as candidates they are there for a reason, and I would very much like to hear what they have to say. Huckabee is especially articulate and I do like his take on some things, even though I would probably never vote for him.

For some reason I kept feeling that I was seeing Cooper as Eric Cartman yelling “cripple fight!”.

Jan 31, 2008 - 5:09 am 10. RE:

I suppose it might help my argument to spell ‘know nothing idiots’ correctly.

I have to love how God can put the breaks on rising blood pressure.

Jan 31, 2008 - 6:20 am 11. AJ:

Ron Paul had NO business being invited. He’s getting far worse numbers that John Edwards, and he’s abysmal on the most important issue: the war and terrorism. The man blames America more than the Democrats. This makes any of his other points unimportant. And that the most devout leftists and collegians I know actually like Ron Paul says enough. Ron, go home!

Jan 31, 2008 - 6:46 am 12. Ted L:

Please do your homework before you choose to trash any candidate for the highest office in our country. These so-called debates are really forums for the media darlings. With a little effort you can research the candidates thru gov sites like the Congressional Record, House or Senate sites and see for yourself. There are nonpartisan sites like The Judicial Watch or National Taxpayers Union that evaluate the candidates programs. What a candidate has done reflects what he/she will do in the future. By the way not being in favor of an undeclared war does not mean you are soft on terrorist. Has the present war stopped the global problem? Will it ever? 911 were mostly Saudis Why not go after them? How about Syria or Iran? We armed and trained Osama and helped the Taliban defeat Russia in Afghanistan, McCain was on the foreign affairs committee then and now. Who are we training now? Do your homework!!

Jan 31, 2008 - 8:18 am 13. June Duncan:

Candidates position should be rotated and not leave certain ones at the outer edges at every debate. I believe it hurt T.Tancredo and D.Hunter. Both have a lot to offer and are no longer in the race.

Jan 31, 2008 - 9:35 am 14. Adrian:

Yesterday, I watched the Republican debate last night on CNN with Anderson Cooper. I can’t tell you how disappointed I am with how the debate went. CNN had Anderson Cooper only focusing on Romney and McCain.

I am a Democrat, but ignoring Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul is wrong. It was obvious what Anderson Cooper and the other two asking questions were doing. If either side wins, it will be fare and square. None of this focusing on who we want to and abandon the rest of the candidates.

I think to make this fare. CNN needs to do another debate with only Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul before Super Tuesday. There is plenty of time to set this up and do it right.

Jan 31, 2008 - 10:18 am 15. AJ:

Ted, way to pick from the liberal talking points. I’d answer those simplistic questions but perusing good weblogs like this one, Malkin, LGF, Drudge, etc could do that easier for you—and it’d only take about ten minutes. Reading is key, sir. I have to get back to work now.

Has the present war stopped global terrorism? In many ways, yes, and it will continue to do so in the coming years with the correct president. That way you and your family will be safe.

Jan 31, 2008 - 11:21 am

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