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1. NahnCee:

The LA Times knowingly and with malice aforethought has, is and will continue to print lies. Until the people who make up, approve and write those lies are all gone, the newspaper deserves to die.

It really doesn’t matter if the “news” being covered is local, celebrity, national or world-wide, the Times has printed lies in all of these areas. Using the words “agenda driven” or “making occasional errors” are just extremely kind ways of covering up the fact that the Times is a bunch of liars and you can’t trust a word you read in the rag.

Question: Why should consumers be expected to pay for the privilege of being lied to? Answer: They shouldn’t be. And they won’t.

Die, LA Times, Die.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:44 am 2. Javelin:

Yes, the newspaper busines has been dying for over fifty years since television news, not a new story here
NahnCee,
of course, you probably don’t mind the right wing media cause their lies agree with you? Keep feeding your mind with your blogs & talk shows and don’t let the MSM corrupt your mind.

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:47 am 3. Evil Pundit:

Newspapers and journalists have only themselves to blame for their woes. They refused to report facts and set themselves up as arbiters of the public agenda.

For many decades, we readers have been forced to put up with their one-sided lectures. No more.

If you want to enjoy a bit of schadenfreude, watch them whine at http://angryjournalist.com/

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:48 am 4. Dave II:

“The only reason I get the paper anymore,” this writer said with a note of sadness, “is for the coupons.”

My sentiments exactly…well, that and the comics page!

Aug 1, 2008 - 11:07 am 5. Frank Logan:

The relationship, between the MSM (both print and broadcast) and its customers, is like a marriage. It’s based on TRUST. Once the trust is gone, divorce is sure to follow. They got away with it until the internet broke up their monopolies. Pretty simple really.

Aug 1, 2008 - 11:36 am 6. uburoisc:

I love newspapers and have read them since I was a kid; I much prefer print media to any other, and in many respects I am the LA Times ideal customer. But I have no interest in a subscription because the Times doesn’t even try to hide it’s leftist preoccupations, to the extent that I cannot open the fold without wincing.

Their coverage of city hall is awful, and nary a day goes by where they don’t try and beat their readers over the head with sentimental drivel about some illegal immigrant angle. I can get better coverage from the LA Weekly if I wanted ’speak truth to power’ lefty heavy breathing. I can think of 10 excellent stories right off the top of my head that the LA Times would never touch because they don’t fit their socialist template. Reading the Times is like sitting in on a sociology lecture at UC Berkeley.

Aug 1, 2008 - 11:49 am 7. Mr. Republican:

The moribund Times frittered away its franchise while it disdained its readers and the city of Los Angeles. The hilarious piece ridiculing its pathetic desire to be respected in NY (its not) where no one buys it was even more funny since the Times, like some besotted, jilted lover, didn’t get it.

LAT sniffs at local news and drowns us in features from god knows where/I do not care places to show its not a local paper.

Meanhile Business shrinks, the CALIFORNIA page is being overcome by obits and ads. They can muster perhaps one story of interest in the whole section now.

And then yes, the relentless agenda-pushing–all the time: John Edwards encounter at the hotel is not news-but Arnold’s alleged “groping” 3 days before an election was; George Skelton never heard of a tax he didn’t want passed. Erwin Chermerinsky (silent during the Duke lacrosse scandal)has the Times as his 24/7 press agent;…its surprising coverage and support for Green Dot is like a dying suicide’s reach for the phone but probably too little, late (hey Times, want a story? What happened in detail to the Locke principal fired after doing what seems to have been the right thing? What % of LA’s budget goes to pensions? What is LAUSD going to do with 7 billion? (nice editorial but where are the facts?).

Its sad. We deserve and need a “real” newspaper. The Chandlers ruined it by stocking it with agenda pushers and PC stylists. They disdained “real” news and slanted what they decided to give. On July 4 once they ran an OpEd from someone trashing the US and its ideas. Shrewd. (and not at all brave in this country). I still subscribe. But its now so frail and limp it can’t even take the right medicine, even with many of its preening, useless editors ousted. Too bad for us all. We are the losers.

Aug 1, 2008 - 1:34 pm 8. Jude:

I read very little from the newspapers and get much of the news on line. TV drives me crazy with stupid commercials and I marvel at the stupidity of the companies that purchase these ads. With a two front war on the papers are full of Hollywood and news items telling the readers the qualifications to be a President of the US includes what they wear, their church, their skin, age etc.

Some advice for the unemployed reporter, get some skills, a whole lot of skills that employers are looking for and stop feeling sorry for your self that means your going to be very busy and you won’t have the time to waste moaning about the past.

Aug 1, 2008 - 1:48 pm 9. misanthropicus:

Exultate! Jubilate! No RIP for LA Times – and I still buy it every day, out of fascination for its idiotic, chic liberal agenda. It’s hard to remember a good or objective story LA Times came with in the past few years – it would take pages to list its pieces or issues contaminated by their enlightenment.
Liberal agenda, lies, contortions, open-mindedness buffoonery.
To paraphrase McCarthy about Lillian Hellman: Everything is a lie, even when they wrote “and” that was a biased liberal lie – it’s gone, and the world sure is a better place without LA Times.

Aug 1, 2008 - 1:58 pm 10. pashley:

Someone else, I think a blog in Slate, wrote a short summary of the issue with the newspaper industry. He described it as a change in cultural masked as changed in technology. In 2020 (or even 2010) we will still be reading news. But in 2020 we won’t be getting the news from the current news and media industry.

Aug 1, 2008 - 3:05 pm 11. keithacita:

an entire industry brought to it’s knees by one man dressed in his under ware in front of his computer.
he links up headlines and occasionally writes his own headline, never his own stories. get’s a hot tip once in a while. he’s considered the most influential by the msm’ers – marxist socialist media. rhymes with grudgereport.

Aug 1, 2008 - 3:52 pm 12. pch1013:

So if the entire MSM goes out of business, where will Drudge get his material from?

Aug 1, 2008 - 4:44 pm 13. Bugs:

Wondering that myself. The MSM goes, but we’ll still have plenty of reporters or wannabe reporters. Maybe the new paradigm for gathering and delivering news hasn’t been invented yet. We need a newsy version of Jobs & Wozniak or something. (It ain’t Drudge…)

How do you take de-centralized news gathered by all kinds of people – credentialed and otherwise – and turn it into something coherent? And how do you do that without having the coherer’s agenda superimposed on the content? Software, I guess – with the only humans in the loop being the news gatherers and the news consumers. We have programs like that now, but nowhere near as complex as they need to be.

Aug 1, 2008 - 6:51 pm 14. Evil Pundit:

We already have the beginnings of the replacement for the MSM.

Content is gathered and produced by all kinds of people. Interesting content and that which is considered credible gets linked and passed on, finding a wider audience.

A refinement of the existing blogosphere, plus reporting provided directly by the public, as well as information created by businesses and interest groups, will be far superior to the obsolete media.

Aug 1, 2008 - 7:43 pm 15. pashley:

Bugs, good questions, but the model is already there. You can get contractors, software and real life, based on prior recommendations. You could get your news from the same source.

You would have a bulletin board based on advertising and the reporter would upload the story, and both the story and the reporter, would be voted on by subscribers. The subscribers and advertisers pay the reporters.

Aug 1, 2008 - 8:46 pm 16. rabidfox:

I keep hearing the “Where will we get our news without reporters?” nonsense. Some day, look up the MSM coverage of the Beslan hostage situation and then search out the coverage provided by a man who actually lives in Beslan and real time covered that bloody incident.

Aug 1, 2008 - 8:58 pm 17. Thomas Hazlewood:

It is revealing that this left-wing bastion cannot even survive with a monopoly. The saying in the USSR was, “There’s no Truth In Pravda and there’s no News in Izvestia.”. The LA Times has,apparently, no Time left, either.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:06 pm 18. jms:

I work at an art studio and the only reason we subscribe to the Chicago Tribune is because we need a steady source of paper to cover the workbench tables when we do messy things. Having something to read at lunch is a bonus, but all the stories are days behind the internet.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:11 pm 19. Three Piece Suit:

40% of the population is politically conservative. 20% doesn’t care. I (and they) won’t even use the LA Times for cage paper – its preferred use. The “elite” reporters forgot that it’s real people (40% of whom “hate” the smart-ass elitists) who PAY for the paper.

I don’t need the Times at all. I can get news (AND coupons) off the internet FOR FREE.

Go and starve journalists as the MSM tries to sell Obama as our Savior.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:14 pm 20. Joe Bonforte:

A large part of the problem can be found in this quote:

“Because despite all the crap about MSM, the truth is that journalists care deeply about what they do. We wouldn’t be in this job if we didn’t. There’s no money in it, no real fame. Just the bright feeling that we are doing something good and useful. That words matter. That writing is a way of warring for better days.”

I’m sorry you went to j-school under the delusion that your job was to change the world into a better place. It’s not. It’s to bring us the news.

Now, sometimes bringing the news does make the world a better place. But you must NOT first look upon journalism as primarily about saving or changing the world.

And too many journalists do exactly that. I’ve heard a dozen variations of the “I became a journalist to make the world a better place” schtick. That’s why you get agenda-driven journalism, liberals given a pass while conservatives are nailed to the wall over the smallest infraction, inflation of small problems into global crises, and careful avoidance of news that doesn’t further your world-saving point of view.

And in the end, you lose the trust of a large chunk of your readers. That means that not only the print dinosaur goes down, but any technologically savvy successors to it.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:17 pm 21. Stephen Meyer:

I’ve asked former colleagues what went wrong in L.A.’s newspaper industry, and few can peg it on one distinct cause.
Everything wrong L.A.’s newspaper industry in four words – never enough Cathy Seipp.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:22 pm 22. ZEITGEIST:

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Aug 1, 2008 - 9:24 pm 23. PokerGuy:

Major newsrooms have (had?) the resources to do in-depth investigation and reporting of multiple simultaneous news stories. They abdicated their trust and responsibilities, turning hard left along with the AP, becoming propaganda rags and producing pathetic excuses for coverage. Facts? Too boring. In-depth investigation? Too much trouble. Easier to sit in a cubicle, produce a puff piece that will satisfy the lefty editor and go home at five. Journalism schools? Been on the progressive liberal bandwagon for decades now.

It can’t be fixed; and even if it could be, the people in place to make the hard decisions won’t. They are the principal cause of the problem. We, collectively, need a reliable source (or two, or ten) of objective, comprehensive news/information. We have none, and have to find bits here and pieces there from alternative micro-sources. The media industry should be deeply ashamed of the trash industry it has become.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:28 pm 24. JohnMc:

No business survives that does not deliver a product that the customer base desires. Many a ‘Journalist’ has forgotten that fact, eh Maureen Dowd?

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:34 pm 25. JorgXMcKie:

Evil Pundit: O.M.G. How clueless is it possible to get? I thought I understood the idea of people living in a bubble (I’m at a university, after all), but that site is just awesome in it’s total lack of connection to the real world. They’re like rats in a very small cage ripping everything they can reach. And 99% of them are *sure* it’s someone else’s fault.

If I weren’t laughing so hard after reading about a hundred entries it would be sad, or pathetic, or even bathetic. As it is, it’s merely hilarious. Past farce.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:38 pm 26. Person of Choler:

“…the truth is that journalists care deeply about what they do.”

They probably do. The trouble with the TIMES is that the readers don’t care too much about what the journalists have been doing.

“Caring” is the liberal’s excuse for every thing they mess up and Tell Zell trots it out yet again. They never learn.

Aug 1, 2008 - 9:43 pm 27. Mason:

L.A newspapers (its really the Times)…Get bent!

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:07 pm 28. Ken Hahn:

Dear InkStainedRetch,
Josef Goebbels also cared deeply about what he did and what he wrote. That is not enough. You also have to care about facts more than “truth”. You also have to realize you are not a gatekeeper for information. Moreover, your bosses have to realize this and act on it. The Times is edited as much to conceal as to inform. It is written with a contempt for anyone who thinks differently than the biases of its management.

I have better things to do with my money than spend it on a newspaper that thinks that I’m a fascist beast and a moron to boot. I would love to read a decent paper out of LA but there isn’t one.

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:14 pm 29. furious_a:

The Times’ Sports section was well worth the read — at least the sportswriters were competent journalists who knew how to cover their subject. Bummer that Mark Andrade left for ESPN.

The rest of the paper? Unreadable. Not so much because of the agenda-driven journalism, the hack local columists like Steve Lopez, the sock-puppetry on the Golden State blog, the transparent hit-piece on the Governator three days before the recall election, the compromised coverage of the Staples’ Center opening, but because, unlike the sportswriters, the rest of the journos employed there simply weren’t good at their craft. A week’s work of reading Patterico would show anyone that.

Poor ink-stained guild-mentality wretches — their faith in credentialism is naive and rather touching.

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:15 pm 30. CW:

Joe Bonforte is correct. Mickey Spillane always said he was a writer, not an “artist” or “author.” He knew he was a professional storyteller. Journalists are professional storytellers, also, but they are supposed to deal in non-fiction.

The pretensions of journalists as world-changers produces the unprofessionalism of the LA and NY Times. Today, the journalistic narrative is nothing but a tool, rather than the raison d’etre of the journalism profession. Lazy, undiscplined, and biased journalists was the natural product of a writing profession in which the focus is on the writer rather than the story. Until MSM journalists return to the hard, unglamorous work of being storytellers, their slow motion suicide will continue.

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:38 pm 31. Californio:

The Los Angeles Times or any paper which seeks to replace it will fail. It will not fail because of some sort of mega-trend involving the “MSM” – though these don’t help. IT failed because it was in Los Angeles but not OF Los Angeles – just like the chicken-sh*t drugstore cowboy types who say things like “As I left my hometown of Los Angeles in the rearview mirror, I had a few thoughts about how I’d done most everything to be satisfied as a true Angeleno:…” and then goes on to quote a bunch of hollywood celebrity benchmarks of being “cool”. F*** you and the tourist bus you rode in on. “True Angelino”? Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA. Suuuuure. Bet you tinted your hair when you moved here – or your parents did when THEY moved here from Ohio or Oklahoma or god the f*** knows where they came from. And you want desparately to blame some crass motherf***er for “ruining” the LAT. But if you look honestly in the mirror, you’ll see that the crass motherf***er is, well, YOU. And the damage is not limited to the LAT. By your very presence here you have f***ed this place up. And now you’ll whine and leave. And ruin the next place you go to – so I am glad everyone hates “Californians” – because you deserve their contempt. Me? Naturalmente, I am exempt – reference point goes back a little further than all of yours put together. Hence my name.

Aug 1, 2008 - 10:48 pm 32. Coupons at Ninth Stage:

[...] Forward to the present. I still take The Tennessean at my wife’s request,  just the weekend papers.  Occasionaly I’ll try to read the opinion section but it suffers from some of the problems The Los Angeles Times does.  From time to time I’ll ask my wife if we can’t drop The Tennessean entirely, but she wants to keep getting it for the coupons. [...]

Aug 1, 2008 - 11:14 pm 33. Corky Boyd:

Unfortunately the major metro newspaper is dying. There really is no hope. Yes they made big mistakes of projecting their internal liberal monoculture to their readers, totally alienating half their audience. But there is no going back. The most impartial, complete newspaper will still fail in hard copy form. Online delivery costs pennies to the dollar of hard copy. It is delivered when the reader wants it, not to when the press run is finished. And it is updated all day and night.

I am saddened by this. Reporting like David Willman’s scoop today about the anhtrax killer is what newspapering is all about. But in the future, wire services will report most of the national news and deliver to your home on fiber optic, packaged by what was a newspaper.

To show you the difference in costs, look at this example: As a sideline I run a very small monthly publication that cost about $15,000/yr. to print and deliver in hard copy form. I now do it online for less than $100. And most readers like it better.

Don’t blame Sam Zell. He wasn’t very bright when he bought the Tribune Corporation. He was buying past glory and power without realizing how much it cost. He doesn’t have any flexiblity, his lenders tell him what to do. To say he is overleveraged, underfinanced and inexperienced is an understatemnt.

Corky Boyd

Aug 1, 2008 - 11:27 pm 34. Sam:

Everybody knows that the papers are basically subsidiaries of the Democratic Party. People simply got fed up with the constant pushing for pc and multiculturalism and embrace of every leftist cause that popped up.

The internet finally gave people a means to really see the lies and bias exposed in a clear, concise manner and the light of day is disinfecting the industry.

Aug 1, 2008 - 11:29 pm 35. Jenn M.:

I could almost hear Exene Cervenka wailing, “She had to leave… Los Angeles!” And anybody who calls southern California “la-la land” was never really truly “native.”

Aug 2, 2008 - 12:03 am 36. Koblog:

The demise of the “news” paper industry shows what happens when the blinders come off and the paying audience/market realizes it’s paying a lot but not getting a worthwhile product.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the “education” industry when the same blinders come off and we==the paying public–finally realize how overpriced, agenda driven, artificially protected and useless government/union-run schools are.

Aug 2, 2008 - 1:54 am 37. BigFire:

As someone who started get the Los Angeles Times delievered while in college (and out of town), I cancelled my subscription 4 years ago and haven’t looked back. There are 2 things left in the paper that I trust, Sports Section and the Friday Fry’s Electronics advertisement. I don’t want to pay for the privilege of being lectured to.

Aug 2, 2008 - 3:57 am 38. David Becker:

Here is the money quote in this piece: “That writing is a way of warring for better days.” That is not your or anyone’s job at a newspaper. Your job is to tell your readers the truth, as best you can, as difficult as that might be. The LA Times (and NYT) deserve to die, and, hopefully be replaced with equally august institutions committed to reporting the facts.

Aug 2, 2008 - 4:53 am 39. Dennis:

At what point did those in the media forget that it is “us” who change things, not them. They have only one responsibility and that is to report the news as fairly and objectively as possible. If they want to be known for their writing ability become a author otherwise their opinions, unless so marked and I choose to read them, do not matter to me. It is called a newspaper, not a view paper.

Aug 2, 2008 - 6:31 am 40. justanotherpenguin:

i stopped the subscription when my canary died.

Aug 2, 2008 - 6:35 am 41. Peg C.:

I grew up in L.A. and lived there 31 years before moving to NY state. When we visit L.A. we usually pick up a LAT once to check on local events. The thing is truly dreadful and unreadable — and had become so long before I left. Reading the front and opinion pages is like picking up Pravda, and the obsequious mewlings over every bit of celebrity minutia unintentionally make Hollywood look repellant (which it is).

I still pine for the L.A. Herald-Examiner. Now that was a paper.

Aug 2, 2008 - 7:01 am 42. Daily Pundit » The Reek of Entitlement Makes Me Want To Retch:

[...] Pajamas Media » Requiem For the Los Angeles Newspaper Industry Tell Zell — whose author, InkStainedRetch, will only identify him or herself as a longtime journalist at the Times — urges Times staffers to fight back, to meet with Teamsters leaders, to take back their paper. “Because despite all the crap about MSM, the truth is that journalists care deeply about what they do. We wouldn’t be in this job if we didn’t. There’s no money in it, no real fame. Just the bright feeling that we are doing something good and useful. That words matter. That writing is a way of warring for better days. Maybe we don’t always get it right. But most of us, I promise, try damn hard.” [...]

Aug 2, 2008 - 7:28 am 43. FrontBurner » Blog Archive » Is A Liberal Agenda Killing Newspapers?:

[...] factors that are assaulting newspaper advertising: loss of classifieds to the internet, etc. But this post about the LATimes — and especially the comments following the post — point to a [...]

Aug 2, 2008 - 7:38 am 44. SF:

Great News! Hopefully The New York Times and the Philadelphia Inquirer will soon follow. Most Americans are fed-up with the purposeful lies and distortions.

Most Americans are furious when so-called news organizations willfully print our country’s Top-Secret information.

As far as I am concerned, some of the garbage these vial papers spew is treasonous. As far as I am concerned the LAT, NYT, and their ilk can go to H***.

You are getting what you have deserved for some time.

Aug 2, 2008 - 8:10 am 45. NahnCee:

The Schwarzenegger attack campaign was bad enough. But the story that pushed me over the edge and resolved to never, ever, give them another cent was the female photographer holed up in a church in Jerusalem with a bunch of Palestinian terrorists, and the supporting breathless prose about what glorious freedom fighters they were while they were pissing and defecating in that Church. The Times’ subsequent proud ululating about the bitch’s Pulitzer was to be expected and stomach-turning.

I’m also absolutely fed-up with their weekly and sometimes daily sob sister stories about the plight of the poor little illegal aliens who have been mooching off of both California and the Federal government for decades. I really don’t care if Pedro didn’t get all of his rights observed because as an invader, he doesn’t HAVE citizen rights. Ship him and his wife and their five children back home where taxpayers don’t have to support the bunch of them.

If the Times wanted to do a story about illegal Mexicans they should have started printing names, times and places describing the on-going genocide being carried out by Mexicans against native-born (black) American citizens. Maybe then LA’s police chief would acknowledge that there’s actually a little problem and be forced to – you know – do some police work to stop it.

Aug 2, 2008 - 9:50 am 46. RedneckJD:

I moved from LA to Portland, OR, seven years ago, and immediately missed the Times. If you think your hometown newspaper is bad, you should be stuck with the Oregonian. Now, newspapers are little more than good firestarters. What will we use to wrap the dishes in when we move, or put down for the puppy, or start a fire with. Oh yeah, I forgot; California banned fireplaces. That is probably the biggest reason for the failure of the Times.

Aug 2, 2008 - 10:47 am 47. Jane Duquette:

Why is anyone surprised that a paper that places Doonesbury above the fold on the front of the Sunday comic page might be alienating a part of their audience. Once we could get the comics online, we cancelled our subscription. We get our local news from school bulletins, neighbors and e-mails. We know we are missing important information but we were before as well. Sigh!

Aug 2, 2008 - 1:49 pm 48. Mr. Republican:

Everyone here knows what they wanted (News), what they got (relentless PC agenda pushing), and where they go now (the net).

It didn’t just oppsoe prop 13, it ridiculed its proponents and slanted the news on the issue; same with Three Strikes.

The Times ought to have 5 reporters covering City Hall –filing FOIA requests; getting secret memos, meeting people on the sly–but nope: it finds out about corruption in the Hahn admin when the feds prosecute. The feds scoop the hometown paper.

But its preening and parochially educated editors didn’t care. One recently laid off was still babbling about what a quality newspaper he had when he was booted. Oblivious!

The feeble stirrings on green Dot, the School Bond issue (I had to look twice when I saw the article mildly nicking the $7 billion request) won’t be sustained. That requires aggressive reporters uncorrupted by J-school’s “teacup” journalism, willing to be shunned by their “betters” in the editorial ranks and in society. And editors willing to report news, not a slant.

I think we all like to vent because we all understand what the LA Times could have been. How it could have helped make LA a better city. What it would be like if city hall had to really worry about something being slipped to the TIMES. Ah well.

Aug 2, 2008 - 2:16 pm 49. JohnR(DC):

Well, the Washington Post is in the same boat as the Times per dropping revenue and circulation. So what did the Post’s suits do? They just ran a twelve-part series on the unsolved murder of Chandra Levy (?) and the poor Californian schmuck who was her “friend”/congressman. Whole pages of the stuff. I’ll bet that endless pandering series attracted new readers in droves, right?

But that’s the way the newspaper suits think, if “think” is the right word to describe their brain activity.

Aug 2, 2008 - 2:43 pm 50. Augustus:

Yes MSM….die many deaths. Die-Die-Die!

Aug 2, 2008 - 5:51 pm 51. Sulaco:

Dito EVERYTHING said above about the Seattle Times. The Post Intellegencer, the other “news paper” kept alive only by being on court ordered life support from Times funds is just a weekly left hate rag screaming at itself most days. None of them mean anything anymore and they deserve every moment of it.

Aug 2, 2008 - 6:05 pm 52. Iago:

Oh, don’t act so sad. Some in the media are doing quite well. I understand Rush Limbaugh just signed a $400 million dollar contract. Now, the question you should be asking yourselves is, what is it that makes Mr. Limbaugh so attractive to so many people, and what is it that makes the LAT, NYT, CBS, CNN, etc., so unattractive?

Marxists, having been indoctrinated in and succumbed to a peculiar foreign ideology originated by a smelly old German, do not understand many things and one of them is the law of supply and demand, that most basic of capitalist concepts. When you have thousands of people identifying themselves as journalists but turning out vast quantities of dishonest propaganda criticizing America and aiming to destabilize our elected government, you quickly reach a saturation point. One Daily Worker might be able to squeeze out a profit, dozens of Daily Worker newspapers and several Daily Worker TV channels are competing for what is, after all, a very small demographic.

So, if Americans want the truth, where do they go? CBS and Dan Rather? NYT and Sulzberger, Jr.? Keith Olbermann? Evan Thomas? Ummm, no.

Truth is in demand, and Marxism is one of the few major philosophies that make a virtue, or a sacrament, of dishonesty. The only other one I know of is Islamism. That is why Islamism and the Marxist media have cooperated in trying to stop the War Against the Terrorists.

From a Marxist perspective, George Bush and Rush Limbaugh are liars, but who the hell cares about the Marxist perspective? The old media cares, but they are going out of business.

A, MFs.

Aug 2, 2008 - 6:59 pm 53. Mike Hunt:

The common thread in all of the above comments is betrayal, and The LA Times agenda driven dishonesty.
I don’t think Zell or any of the past or present LAT writers seriously understand this. In fact they are in total denial, blaming instead the internet for their woes.
Yet, there are newspapers in this country that are alive and well because they retained their honesty and maintained their bond with their subscribers.

BETRAYAL & LIES . ZELL & Co. are you listening?

Aug 2, 2008 - 8:52 pm 54. Californio:

Again, and again and again. Soooooo, an occupation is wrong when (allegedly) the USA does it overseas – but it is A-OK when done by the apparatachiks at the LA Times. First, did you ever notice how to “them” Los Angeles pretty much exists only in a mile square area of down town and selected portions of the Westside? Everyone else falls into the category of “urban cannonfodder.” Preachy, arrogant, out-of-touch, morality pushing, freedom restricting…..no not rightwingers – its our pals at the LA Times – who are really only tools of our leftist pals on the westside. Hey – newsflash – California is already Mexico – we have one political party – the California Democratic party is our PRI – and every bit as honest and effective.

Aug 3, 2008 - 12:56 am 55. AnnieB:

First rule of anything is you have to deliver what the customer bought.

From a reporter ( newspaper) we want information we value.

If we can’t trust that the information is true, it has no value.

The press has not only lied but confessed that they don’t care that they lie.

Thus – we don’t ‘hire’ the reporters any more.

Aug 3, 2008 - 6:08 pm 56. deguello:

The capacity for reality avoidance of liberals is phenomenal.Most Americans abhor the stalinist pc agitprop that the “mainstream media” slops out.Whether printed on the Times, or electronically excreted by cbs nbc ,abc,a moribund cnbc, or cnn,Leftist propaganda is being rejected in favor of the new media. That’s why the above named organs of liberal drivel are openly serving as Obama’s media hacks:they are counting on an Obama presidency to keep them alive by censoring the new media into oblivion.Thhnk”fairness” doctrine,to which I say,Second Amendment.

Aug 4, 2008 - 6:48 am 57. Bill Perron:

As a youg kid growing up in L. A. I sold newspapers on Sundays in front of a Catholic church. Both the Times and the Examiner before it became the Herald Examiner. Even as just a kid I did not like the Times, the Examiner had better comics, more interesting columnists, and definately a much better sports page. After the Examiner merged with the Herald Express and became the Herald Examiner it got even better. Problem was that the Times wasn’t union and the Herald Examiner was. The union threatened to strike and the Hearsts called their bluff and said go ahead and stike we will shut the paper down. The stupid union called a strike Hearst shut the paper down, all the union folks were now jobless and L. A. only had one newspaper.The Times had virtually no competition after that and it didn’t have to even try to get better, so if you don’t like the Times blame it on the printers union.

Aug 4, 2008 - 11:11 am 58. deguello:

The left-wing media is dying,deep fried in the fat of its own nihilistic,multicultural liberal bullsh-t. Let’s celebrate!

Sep 9, 2008 - 11:58 am

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