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		<title>By: Kim Zigfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Zigfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant! Bless you, Melissa, for expressing this reality so cogently!

It seems we are doomed to repeat history because so many of us cannot remember, but reading this essay gives one hope that our future is not already written.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant! Bless you, Melissa, for expressing this reality so cogently!</p>
<p>It seems we are doomed to repeat history because so many of us cannot remember, but reading this essay gives one hope that our future is not already written.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more I think of it, the less I like the analogy above, because it implies true love, or at least consent, at some time in the past.  Russia is really more like a pimp claiming to be an ex-husband, and arguing that he still retains a genuine husband&#039;s rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more I think of it, the less I like the analogy above, because it implies true love, or at least consent, at some time in the past.  Russia is really more like a pimp claiming to be an ex-husband, and arguing that he still retains a genuine husband&#8217;s rights.</p>
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		<title>By: sergei</title>
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		<dc:creator>sergei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all lies. Georgia starts it, Russia finishes it. America bent because the monopolar world is dead. Hand W a Kleenex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all lies. Georgia starts it, Russia finishes it. America bent because the monopolar world is dead. Hand W a Kleenex.</p>
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		<title>By: No One of Importance</title>
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		<dc:creator>No One of Importance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over at Little Green Footballs, within 48 hrs, it looks like La Russophobe is already wearing out her welcome. On the one hand, you can&#039;t believe that anybody could produce that much garbage as just a hobby. On the other hand, you can&#039;t believe a well-funded PR operation would stoop to denouncing any commenter who disagrees as an &quot;ape&quot; or &quot;Kremlin stooge&quot; at even the most obscure forum.

I haven&#039;t noticed any difference between the Beeb&#039;s coverage of Russia than other media outlets.

Here is the link to the Anne Applebaum story from 2005, about Khodorkovsky&#039;s reception in D.C.:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/13/AR2005121301511.html

For his part, Berezovsky said he was willing to spend $1 billion of his own fortune to bring down Putin. Klebnikov wrote in Godfather of the Kremlin that Berezovsky had ordered contract killings, and he winds up dead a short time later. And then Litvinenko, a Berezovsky employee in London, dies a horrible, exotic death from polonium poisoning. But keep telling yourselves that only FSB could get ahold of a few grams of that stuff and that the British Secret Service has no motive to defend Berezovsky or see him never get extradited back to Russia.

Again, none of you ever answered my questions: are the Secretaries of Treasury and Deputy Treasury Secretary also Russian tools, since they were in Moscow just a few weeks ago assuring the Russian Central Bank that their dollar-denominated holdings were safe from the subprime crisis and that they should invest more of their sovereign wealth funds in the U.S.?(Kimmitt was in Moscow last year, as reported by RosBusinessConsulting, and Paulson was there just two months ago, unless you think they were their to sip tea) Am I on crazy pills for asking why the U.S. is asking Russia for more capital and help with Iran at the same time it is provoking Moscow in Georgia?

Is the Pentagon under Kremlin influence because they charter Russian Antonovs (Google An-124 on images and see a nice VolgaDnieper model loading up at a California Air Force Base) for Afghanistan and Iraq? There aren&#039;t enough C-17s in the fleet as it is, that&#039;s why they use them at $40-$70k an hour. And the source for the Fannie-Freddie story was Reuters. 

Better to stick your heads in the sand and pretend that a sizeable chunk of Wall Street and the U.S. elite isn&#039;t already involved with the Russians financially. I mean, I don&#039;t see Frank Gaffney going on talk radio shows calling for China to be kicked out of the WTO, even though it is a far worse abuser of human rights and copyright protections. Maybe because Wal-Mart isn&#039;t stocked with Russian goods?

What I&#039;m sick and tired of is the hypocrisy. This war isn&#039;t about democracy or oil but about sheer power, realpolitik. And the Georgians and South Ossetians are the pawns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at Little Green Footballs, within 48 hrs, it looks like La Russophobe is already wearing out her welcome. On the one hand, you can&#8217;t believe that anybody could produce that much garbage as just a hobby. On the other hand, you can&#8217;t believe a well-funded PR operation would stoop to denouncing any commenter who disagrees as an &#8220;ape&#8221; or &#8220;Kremlin stooge&#8221; at even the most obscure forum.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t noticed any difference between the Beeb&#8217;s coverage of Russia than other media outlets.</p>
<p>Here is the link to the Anne Applebaum story from 2005, about Khodorkovsky&#8217;s reception in D.C.:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/13/AR2005121301511.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/13/AR2005121301511.html</a></p>
<p>For his part, Berezovsky said he was willing to spend $1 billion of his own fortune to bring down Putin. Klebnikov wrote in Godfather of the Kremlin that Berezovsky had ordered contract killings, and he winds up dead a short time later. And then Litvinenko, a Berezovsky employee in London, dies a horrible, exotic death from polonium poisoning. But keep telling yourselves that only FSB could get ahold of a few grams of that stuff and that the British Secret Service has no motive to defend Berezovsky or see him never get extradited back to Russia.</p>
<p>Again, none of you ever answered my questions: are the Secretaries of Treasury and Deputy Treasury Secretary also Russian tools, since they were in Moscow just a few weeks ago assuring the Russian Central Bank that their dollar-denominated holdings were safe from the subprime crisis and that they should invest more of their sovereign wealth funds in the U.S.?(Kimmitt was in Moscow last year, as reported by RosBusinessConsulting, and Paulson was there just two months ago, unless you think they were their to sip tea) Am I on crazy pills for asking why the U.S. is asking Russia for more capital and help with Iran at the same time it is provoking Moscow in Georgia?</p>
<p>Is the Pentagon under Kremlin influence because they charter Russian Antonovs (Google An-124 on images and see a nice VolgaDnieper model loading up at a California Air Force Base) for Afghanistan and Iraq? There aren&#8217;t enough C-17s in the fleet as it is, that&#8217;s why they use them at $40-$70k an hour. And the source for the Fannie-Freddie story was Reuters. </p>
<p>Better to stick your heads in the sand and pretend that a sizeable chunk of Wall Street and the U.S. elite isn&#8217;t already involved with the Russians financially. I mean, I don&#8217;t see Frank Gaffney going on talk radio shows calling for China to be kicked out of the WTO, even though it is a far worse abuser of human rights and copyright protections. Maybe because Wal-Mart isn&#8217;t stocked with Russian goods?</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m sick and tired of is the hypocrisy. This war isn&#8217;t about democracy or oil but about sheer power, realpolitik. And the Georgians and South Ossetians are the pawns.</p>
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		<title>By: pch1013</title>
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		<dc:creator>pch1013</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@fred: Just because you don&#039;t agree with the pro-Russian agenda doesn&#039;t mean that it is &quot;leftist.&quot;

The Huffington Post is largely pro-Georgia. So is the Guardian, along with most of the rest of the MSM, with the glaring exception of the BBC. As for the Discovery Institute, any claim that its pro-Russian agenda is also somehow &quot;leftist&quot; is utterly laughable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@fred: Just because you don&#8217;t agree with the pro-Russian agenda doesn&#8217;t mean that it is &#8220;leftist.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Huffington Post is largely pro-Georgia. So is the Guardian, along with most of the rest of the MSM, with the glaring exception of the BBC. As for the Discovery Institute, any claim that its pro-Russian agenda is also somehow &#8220;leftist&#8221; is utterly laughable.</p>
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		<title>By: poul</title>
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		<dc:creator>poul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cletus:

&quot;I love Poul and NYC, who seem to think putting down a violent uprising and enforcing their laws is outside the rights of a sovereign nation.&quot;

so in your world georgia deserves sovereignty and independence from russia, but ossetia does not deserves sovereignty and independence from  georgia? based on which criteria?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cletus:</p>
<p>&#8220;I love Poul and NYC, who seem to think putting down a violent uprising and enforcing their laws is outside the rights of a sovereign nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>so in your world georgia deserves sovereignty and independence from russia, but ossetia does not deserves sovereignty and independence from  georgia? based on which criteria?</p>
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		<title>By: poul</title>
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		<dc:creator>poul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarhead

&quot;Georgia was a real democracy. &quot; - when?

read up something on the subject, will you?
http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflicts/caucasus/georgia_after_revolution</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarhead</p>
<p>&#8220;Georgia was a real democracy. &#8221; &#8211; when?</p>
<p>read up something on the subject, will you?<br />
<a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflicts/caucasus/georgia_after_revolution" rel="nofollow">http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/conflicts/caucasus/georgia_after_revolution</a></p>
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		<title>By: Russian Bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russian Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: &lt;b&gt;Jar-head&lt;/b&gt; You are a strategist! But do not rush to send your plan to the Pentagon! Your strategy is not quite good: The Roki Tunnel is not the only and the best entrance to Georgia. The best is along the Black Sea cost, through Abkahasia. There are Abkhasian sea-ports in Russian possession to land the troops, and there is a rail-road from Russia to Georgia (recently restored). The terrain of the Western Georgia is plane, and attacking from the West direction, Russia would be able to  reach Tbilisi in a few hours. Also there are a few of other roads through the Great Caucasus range (Checnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan), and Russia also has her military bases and installation in Armenia, which can be used to attack from the South. The other access is through Azerbaijan. When Germans attacked France in WWII they just stroke through Holland and Belgium. So, you theory that Russia is keeping Ossetia &quot;because she needs the Roki Tunnel&quot; is kind of funny. But the opposite is true: Russia keeps the Roki tunnel because she needs South Ossetia.

So, &lt;i&gt;If we were to fight the Russians there...&lt;/i&gt;
Yeah, you can fight. Just go here: 
http://ghostrecon.us.ubi.com/product_gr.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: <b>Jar-head</b> You are a strategist! But do not rush to send your plan to the Pentagon! Your strategy is not quite good: The Roki Tunnel is not the only and the best entrance to Georgia. The best is along the Black Sea cost, through Abkahasia. There are Abkhasian sea-ports in Russian possession to land the troops, and there is a rail-road from Russia to Georgia (recently restored). The terrain of the Western Georgia is plane, and attacking from the West direction, Russia would be able to  reach Tbilisi in a few hours. Also there are a few of other roads through the Great Caucasus range (Checnya, Ingushetia, Dagestan), and Russia also has her military bases and installation in Armenia, which can be used to attack from the South. The other access is through Azerbaijan. When Germans attacked France in WWII they just stroke through Holland and Belgium. So, you theory that Russia is keeping Ossetia &#8220;because she needs the Roki Tunnel&#8221; is kind of funny. But the opposite is true: Russia keeps the Roki tunnel because she needs South Ossetia.</p>
<p>So, <i>If we were to fight the Russians there&#8230;</i><br />
Yeah, you can fight. Just go here:<br />
<a href="http://ghostrecon.us.ubi.com/product_gr.php" rel="nofollow">http://ghostrecon.us.ubi.com/product_gr.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 05:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paranoia strikes deep: 
Into your life it will creep. 
It starts when you&#039;re always afraid. 
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paranoia strikes deep:<br />
Into your life it will creep.<br />
It starts when you&#8217;re always afraid.<br />
You step out of line, the man come and take you away.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kabud,

The most dispiriting, discouraging thing for me, as an American, is to see fellow Americans and people in Europe and Canada blaming Georgia for this and rooting for Russia.  The Left has shown its face again and we should judge it by its actions.  It has been continual perfidy from those people.

At the four weblogs I participate in, I am stunned by the number of people who have fallen for or are willingly credulous about the disinformation put out by Russia.

I will say this about the Left: one of the ways it betrays its stupidity in military matters is its inability to see that the kind of operation the Russians unleashed cannot have happened spontaneously.  These people are clueless about military hardware, logistics, pre-positioning, the whole kit and kaboodle.  They really think this was a spontaneous &quot;cavalry to the rescue&quot; of the Ossetians!  Plus there is the complete denial - the WILLFUL refusal to take note of the facts of the attacks by Ossetian paramilitaries (and those people are well-known in the Caucasus for a long time as inbred criminals)into Georgia to bait, goad, and terrorize Georgia.  The Russians were employing this because eventually the Georgians would throw up their hands and say &quot;f*ck it!&quot; and go inside Ossetia after the scum terrorists.

What a bunch of credulous, seditious dopes we have in the West.  The old Soviet Union seeded the West well over the course of fifty years.  And now it is bearing fruit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kabud,</p>
<p>The most dispiriting, discouraging thing for me, as an American, is to see fellow Americans and people in Europe and Canada blaming Georgia for this and rooting for Russia.  The Left has shown its face again and we should judge it by its actions.  It has been continual perfidy from those people.</p>
<p>At the four weblogs I participate in, I am stunned by the number of people who have fallen for or are willingly credulous about the disinformation put out by Russia.</p>
<p>I will say this about the Left: one of the ways it betrays its stupidity in military matters is its inability to see that the kind of operation the Russians unleashed cannot have happened spontaneously.  These people are clueless about military hardware, logistics, pre-positioning, the whole kit and kaboodle.  They really think this was a spontaneous &#8220;cavalry to the rescue&#8221; of the Ossetians!  Plus there is the complete denial &#8211; the WILLFUL refusal to take note of the facts of the attacks by Ossetian paramilitaries (and those people are well-known in the Caucasus for a long time as inbred criminals)into Georgia to bait, goad, and terrorize Georgia.  The Russians were employing this because eventually the Georgians would throw up their hands and say &#8220;f*ck it!&#8221; and go inside Ossetia after the scum terrorists.</p>
<p>What a bunch of credulous, seditious dopes we have in the West.  The old Soviet Union seeded the West well over the course of fifty years.  And now it is bearing fruit.</p>
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