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1. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Taylor Marsh
RE: Heh

Great speech – but it would have been better without the sarcasm and snide comments. — Taylor Marsh

You and your ilk have only yourselves to blame.

I seem to recall you were one of the first to be making ’snide comments’ at her.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[What goes around......]

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:33 am 2. Cletus:

I’ll be back when I wake up, and I will enjoy the sh*t storm the good readers of PJM will surely have unleashed upon you.

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:35 am 3. Mayhem:

Oh, please. She earned some jabs tonight from all the cheap shots she’s taken this week. None of the media will hit her on sarcasm, because they know she earned the right to use it.

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:46 am 4. Ronnie:

You can’t be serious? All the sarcasm, snide remarks, attacks on her and her family and you complain when she answers the fools according to their own folly? The problem is you have to find something negative to say, because Ms Palin was terrific. So spare us your backhanded compliments.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:10 am 5. mike:

can i assume this taylor marsh fact-checked any democratic speeches? or did the democrats not say anything that sounded even slightly objectionable? we know the answers but i thought i’d at least ask the obvious.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:19 am 6. Ronnie:

Palin mocking Obama’s community organizing activist roots. Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country?

Context, context, context Taylor. She was responding to the left that was denigrating her experience as a small town mayor and she ironically pointed out that a small town mayor is kinda like a “community organizer” except with responsibility. That was a beautiful kickback to foolish argument of denigrating her experience while their *Presidential* candidate doesn’t even have that.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:20 am 7. Dark Helmet:

You had better stick with the remarks rather than the facts. Palin cleaned your clocks last night by keeping it real.

Reality, the anti democrat drug.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:21 am 8. J. Conaway:

Snide comments? Sarcasm? Good for the rank and file? How much the elitist snob you truly sound like. A woman that has had her children attacked, her honor impugned (yes, some of us “rank and file” still believe in honor) and you think she should have been pleasant about it? This is an Alaskan hunting hockey mom, not some shrinking violet. Get used to it. This is how people react to being attacked. Barry O and his minions started this garbage, Sarah will finish it. Remember the words “this is not politics as usual” This is part of what they mean.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:29 am 9. Danny:

He “worked with republicans” on halting traffic of WMDs? Is that the same as he didn’t author it? Also bang-up job he did – Libya did more when the exposed the AQ Khan network.

“Scurrying for facts”, is that the same as making them up?

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:31 am 10. SAF:

I checked my calendar and it wasn’t April 1st. So I guess this isn’t an April fool’s column. Snide compared to whom? Palin was quite civil in her remarks when compared to the democratic speeches we heard.

And while the press spent the week commenting on her daughter’s behavior they fawned over Ted Kennedy whose driving record would have put him in jail if he had a different last name.

She’s just what we need in Washington.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:48 am 11. fgmorley:

What a simpleton you are, Taylor Marsh. I’ll bet you never enjoyed Reagan’s speeches either, when he was skewering the left. I love it when the dhimmis get hoisted on their on petard.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:55 am 12. Lisa:

yeah.. no one ever heard Obama say anything snide about Clinton. never. not once.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:00 am 13. B Dubya:

Actually, Taylor, one of the most effective weapons in the arsenal against the left is laughter, simply because the majority of the party fellow travellers have no sense of humor and the laughter deflates the pompous, elitist loons who are marketing their brand of Stalin light this election cycle. Sarcasm and just plain guffaws at the left’s antics just can’t be beat.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:03 am 14. mina:

The fact remains many Governors have not had to use their National Guard forces. But I’ll bet this much seeing as I used to run a Guard Battalion, she is 100% up on her contingency plans for State Emergency deployment. Secondly the press has been challenging Sarah Palin to a pissing contest and she delivered,so you got what you asked for and now your discontent.Thirdly somehow its your thinking that is distorted if you think that a State Trooper who thinks he is above the law, would tazer a 10 year old step son, and rely on his bosses good ole boy protection, to not expect the Governor to assert some well needed political influence to have him removed and his boss if thats what it takes to once again clean up some of the croneism up there in norther lights territory. I am surprised that you don’t criticize Sarah Palin for having too many kids and polluting the planet with white kids. V.P. candidate is every red blooded American males dream of a woman and most every frustated house wives dream as well. Here’s bettin she smokes Joe Biden in the only televised debate now scheduled and here’s bettin your prediction falls flat on its face in November. Yes Virginia there really is a Silent Majority!

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:03 am 15. Dennis D:

Great Speech by someone who was brutally attacked for a week by the leftist media. She had no choice but to go on the offense. Sarah Palin just won my support.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:12 am 16. RE:

Sarah Palin sure has the Dems number!

Oh how they must hate this wonderful woman!

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:13 am 17. Dennis D:

Palin did not claim she was anti bridge to nowhere until she actually became Governor. Fact is she rejected the bridge regardless of her position in the campaign. Perhaps once in office she looked at the issue closer

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:15 am 18. Dennis D:

In my town the community organizer finds and organizes the teen volunteers for litter pick up in the parks.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:16 am 19. Terry Gain:

Condescension and sarcasm are exactly what’s needed to wake up America to the media induced Emperor’s Clothes trance it finds itself in.

With victory in sight, the Hope and Change panderer would still withdraw – not according to the conditions on the ground, but his own uninformed timetable.

Sarah will hand his plugs to the supposed foreign policy expert on the team Obama.

“You wanted to partition Iraq. Did it occur to you to ask the people of Iraq whether they wanted their country divided up? You would have plunged Iraq into a true civil war.”

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:17 am 20. Dennis D:

Until now the only thing Obama had on Palin was his excellent teleprompter reading. But even that advantage is overshadowed by Palins speech of a lifetime

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:18 am 21. Broadsword:

“…but it would have been better without the sarcasm and snide comments.” Great headline for the rest of your post which I only read as far as this sarcastic and snide comment,”… the Republican Party finally nominated someone nationally who isn’t a white guy. Congratulations on joining the 20th century.”

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:20 am 22. Tom W.:

Boy, Taylor Marsh sounds as bitter as one of Obama’s small-town religious nuts, clinging to the notion that Palin is a lightweight who poses no threat.

Keep dreaming, Taylor. I guess the pounding that Palin administered to your side last night made no impression. Get ready for more.

As for your stupidity about Palin’s National Guard leadership role…

The point is not that she hasn’t issued orders. As commander in chief she has to learn how the system works and what her duties are, so that in the event of having to issue orders she can do it immediately.

Merely familiarizing herself with the processes and chain of command contributes to the experience that she has, but which Obama lacks.

Are you really so ignorant that you think she didn’t have to learn anything on taking office?

If she becomes vice president and McCain becomes incapacitated during an emergency, she will have already had experience with military chains of command.

On 9/11 there was confusion over whether or not Vice President Cheney had the authority to issue orders to shoot down any airliners approaching the White House. It took several critical minutes to sort it out, and Cheney was the one who knew what the rules were.

Palin’s experience as C-in-C of a National guard unit will make it easier to assume the duties of the vice presidency if there’s a sudden emergency.

Your other Democratic Underground talking points have already been refuted everywhere else.

You’re like a mynah bird, just repeating word for word what someone else told you.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:26 am 23. Marc:

Why is Taylor still posting here? A.) Glutton for punishment, B.) Token liberal. How does it feel to be a quota?

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Sep 4, 2008 - 4:40 am 25. seanarama:

Are the only people who write comments on Taylor Marsh’s blog Republican trolls? Wow! I came here from a link on HuffPo.

Palin’s speech was red meat for the Republican base — full of lies and half-truths. I don’t think she is angry over “lies” told by the media — it’s the ugly truths they are digging up that really get under her skin.

My take: Palin came off like a nasty schoolgirl — one of the “popular” ones who likes belittling the other girls around her. Mean-spirited, smug, arrogant and self-satisfied — she knows how to smile while sticking the knife in. I think she played well for a Republican audience (and that says a lot about today’s Republicans). It remains to be seen how she plays for the swing voters.

My prediction, if I had to make one, would be a small convention bounce that fades quickly. We’ll see.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:41 am 26. GDT:

I am increasingly coming to the belief that Taylor Marsh isn’t a real person. No one could be this shallow. It looks more and more that “Taylor” is a collection of PJM writers who assemble talking points from the loonie left so that PJM readers will have easy targets to shoot at and laugh at. I can just picture a room full of writers assembling a “Marsh” column – trying to keep a straight face. Who ever came up with the “bare shoulder” homecoming queen runner up picture was a genius. It just adds to the “ding bat” image. What a hoot! Did you just find that on the web somewhere?

PJM – creating “Taylor” is a good idea. It is fun to place some of the vapid concepts of the left out there to take shots at. It is just that “Taylor” is becoming less and less believable. No one could really be this bubble headed and still remember to breathe.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:54 am 27. Valerie:

I agree. The speech would have been better without the sarcasm, snide comments, and patronizing from the media and the Democratic Party that preceded it. Oh, and the lies.

The condescending, sexist, snide, untruthful garbage put out by the media and portions of the Democratic Party supporters served as a framework and pre-publicity for this speech. The reason PUMAs exist is that the Democratic Party, which once was the party of the little guy, the minority, and the woman, has become a racist, sexist, socialist, untruthful parody of itself. It was a huge mistake to decide to ride the Iraq war to the White House. It was a huge mistake to adopt those lying talking points. It was a huge mistake to try to throw two popular, strong Liberals, Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, out of the party. It was a huge mistake to try to run a sock puppet in Hillary Clinton’s place. It was a huge mistake to adopt a pattern of cheating in the caucuses, and it was a huge mistake to question Sarah Palin’s ability to serve as VP because she is a mother.

God bless the Republican voters.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:04 am 28. MarkJ:

To paraphrase the great drummer Buddy Rich….

“Let’s see how Taylor Marsh does, up there without all the assistance!”

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:06 am 29. Fidelis:

Oh, give Taylor a break! Can’t you see how galling it is to her that even though Taylor won HER beauty contest Sarah has managed to outdo her on every other front without even trying? And while Taylor is still raving about her “hero” Ted Kennedy, who drove a car off a bridge while dead drunk and RAN leaving a young woman to drown, then lied his head off to save his political career (not to mention the alcoholism, wife mental abuse, etc. etc.), Sarah is now getting close to the Oval Office ON HER OWN without any help from mentors, famous husband or father???

I mean, is “left-wing blogger, talk radio analyst and author” any match for this? Wouldn’t you be eaten up with jealousy too?

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:08 am 30. Valerie:

Being a Democrat is not the same thing as being “left wing.” It really is ok to recognize sexism on the part of people who think they are entitled to the women’s vote. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13129.html

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:15 am 31. Ed Wallis:

Omigod, this article is so, y’know, so totally awesome. It’s like, y’know, one of my friends had written it. /sarc

Perhaps one should address PJM more seriously: can’t you folks find more seriously thinking, non-high-school-quality writing Leftist wrtiers?

Marsh: “…Palin mocking Obama’s community organizing activist roots.” Here Ms. Marsh wilfully turned a blind ear to Palin’s point of “IT’S LIKE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER WITH GENUINE RESPONSIBILITIES”..as in : the executive responsibilities of a Mayor are accountable to the public at large. No accountability makes “community organizer” quite a joke in comparison.

But, I suppose some take using sarcasm to criticize the use of sarcasm as a shrewd technique.

But not usually after the 10th grade.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:18 am 32. A Stoner:

I am sorry, do you think that helping author, probably with at most a single sentence, a bill that has 100% support is an accomplishment? A bill to intercept WMD is an accomplishment? A bill that would have been identical without Barack Obama being in the senate is an accomplishment? Lets also add in the numerous congradulations and post office namings shall we?

You are a political hack, and a lousy one at that.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:21 am 33. mjk:

Sorry, darling, Sarah Palin kicked major arse last night. She was funny, well spoken, and tough. Three things Obama/Biden are not. It was almost a “bring-it-on” speech directed at those bottom feeders who are trying to exploit her daughter’s pregnancy, her husband’s 20 year old DUI, and any other supposed “scandal”. It was a speech that makes me look forward to the VP debates for once. McCain made the right choice in picking this woman and the next few weeks are going to be very interesting.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:29 am 34. patsy:

Sour grapes
Where is balance ???
The media has been horrible to her.
Lets see the media talk about Obama’s mother
having him at 18. Let see the media do their
job and bring out BHO record. I say BHO has
not been totally veeted yet? Bidden either.
You could tell by the look on Gynn Ifells face covering the RNC convention
that she is in the tank for BHO.

As a woman I am total offended by the media
and its Bias

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:30 am 35. Neo:

No executive experience

Obama seems to have left out this job from his resume ..

“Recently [1995] he [Obama] was appointed president of the board of the Annenberg Challenge Grant, which will distribute some $50 million in grants to public-school reform efforts.”

… I wonder why … this would be an excellent comeback for Obama to all those complaints that he never had executive experience or handled a payroll.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:30 am 36. Karl Rove:

Taylor Marsh extols Obama’s experience in personally crafting legislation in the Illinois state legislature. Then he excoriates Gov. Palin for delivering a speech from some Republican writer.

Mr. Pot, a Mr. Kettle is holding for you on line 1.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:38 am 37. cedarford:

Taylor – Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them?

Well, yes, Taylor. Modern community organizers in cities seek to coerce wealth transfer from those who do work to those who don’t.

By lawsuits (Obama did several) or by jacking up the taxes from locals (Chicago has the highest local taxes of any large city now) or Feds to pay off organized welfare state claimants from rioting, making political trouble, or targeting any politician that does oppose the wealth transfers.

Of course other past community organizers had different objectives. The KKK was basically a community organizer network. Which was successful enough such that Jews emulated it as well as Mrxist groups in setting up unions, activist Fronts and civil rights groups like the NAACP for the blacks they sought to mentor and run most economic activities of.
The civil rights workers, blacks and Jews alike, of the “movement” – were community organizers opposed to the Klan community organizers.

Taylor – Then came the other part of the speech, which was concocted by some Bush speechwriter for some unknown vice presidential nominee who would stand in and deliver.

As opposed to Obamessiah – who Obamabots swear is so genius and so transcendently all aware of every problem and what in his Perfect Judgment must be done to stop the ocean’s rise and start the planet healing that he writes all his own stuff? That Obamessiah? Which on close scrutiny is found to have whole passages lifted from speeches of past black Team Axlerod clients like John Streeter and Deval Patrick? That Obamessiah?
Nothing wrong with that. Obama pays those writer pros good money, and Axelod is smart enough to keep legal control of his writer staff’s past product for recycling.

And what makes you think her stuff was done by a “Bush speechwriter” vs a McCain speechwriter, or team of speechwriters?
Or with the help of a freelancer or two that writes for women politicians just as you have those that specialize in “black preacher-speak” speeches?
Why so sure “Bush?”? Because of the brilliance of Bush’s oratory was something you also saw in Palin’s spiel?

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As for Taylor’s charge of sarcasm – that pattern was laid down in both Obama’s condescention and Biden’s smarmy sarcastic speeches at his convention assaulting Mccain and Republicans.

As for the poor MSM Press, the over-the-top, vicious, and sometimes openly sexist attack on Palin by a substantial pack of “objective journalists” is obvious for all to see. It is clear that they see a maximum effort against her, sliming her family, religion – as essential to diminish her early and give doubt in voter’s mind so that the New Age of Obama is not jeopardized..

They did the same thing against Hillary – trying to uncover every damaging detail and spinning everything against her – while keeping the Black Messiah who was to morally redeem their liberal souls sacrosanct from scrutiny into hos past and criticism of his campaign – to the point comedians began making them “in the tank for Obama” laughing stocks.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:40 am 38. Mike:

“She just should have delivered it without the condescension, sarcasm and snide remarks.”

You mean “condescension, sarcasm and snide remarks” as in the second half of your intro to this piece?

And anyway, what you perceive as ’snide remarks’ about Obama are actually called ‘facts’ by other people.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:46 am 39. M.P.:

Quite frankly, urbanites and their cheerleaders in the media are so snide and condescending when talking about people who live rural communities, a good kick in the slats is long overdue.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:49 am 40. M Pav:

How are the comments snide? Good jabs delivered with an engaging smile. She was successful in inviting the audience to join in the laughter. She responded to the attacks on her without appearing to be angry. Gosh. The puck dropped and she came charging off the bench.Game on!

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:54 am 41. Geno:

Taylor Marsh,
You are an idiot. With the overwhelming bias of the media and the lack of honest media exposure for Republicans, our Republican poliicians have to get the word out.

Clearly, Sarah Palin, nailed nobama for his elitist attitude and pointed out the things we need to do for a prosperous country.

Taylor, go get a real job, you are not good as a talking head, you have no more to say than nobama or over biden.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:00 am 42. abiodun:

Once the sarcasm and the snide condescending remarks are taken out of Palin’s speech, there will be nothing left to say!
I did not hear Palin defend the rot that her party(republican) got this country into. The last time I checked, the republicans ran the WH and congress most of the last 8 years. It is a tall order to have to go out there and ask the electorate to give you another 4 years to fix the rot you got us in.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:01 am 43. Ohio Granny:

Hey Taylor, weren’t you the one who said “we were both beauty queens but I actually won? No sarcasm or snideness there.
Already the MSM has out the long knives. Harry Reid actually used the “S” word in his response, you know the one old men use when talking down to women – “Shrill”. So are you shrilling for Obama too, Taylor?

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:01 am 44. Leeotis:

Ms. Marsh:

Tell me, you were laughing, cheering loudly and expressing all kinds of admiration for Ann Richards when she referred to President George H. W. Bush as “being born with a silver foot in his mouth” weren’t you?

Methinks that in Ms. Taylor’s world, sarcasm and political partisanship are clever and effective when practiced by one party, but mean-spirited and divisive when practiced by the other.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:02 am 45. Dadofhomeschoolers:

This can’t be serious. Ms Marsh must be writing just to get reactions from the conservative readers of this site. Either that or her warped politcal views have blinded her to her own party’s using the very things she’s complaining about.

Face it, Gov. Palin handed Oblahblah’s head to him last night, and no amount of crying’s going to change that.

How’s it feel to be a token liberal?

Dadofhomeschoolers.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:03 am 46. Geno:

Comments awaiting moderation?

Pajama Media is censoring the comments posted on your website. Taylor’s comments are that of a liberal….why don’t you say as much.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:03 am 47. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All, including Taylor Marsh
RE: Heh, Again

Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? — Taylor Marsh

During the 2006 election cycle, one group of ours, according to a local Democratic Party precinct chair I picked up, was going door-to-door passing out absentee ballot request and absentee ballots, and offering to help the poor people fill them out. All they would need to do is sign the forms.

Isn’t that nice of them?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Democrats, nice people who corrupt the law.]

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:13 am 48. Jeff Skalla:

Taylor,
I assumed you were a professional, however I am not sure today. You showed a serious flaw in your character. You had the chance to say “Great
Job” and display excellence in your profession. Instead vindictiveness, your really petty and I was sorry to see that.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:16 am 49. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Geno
RE: All Good Thinks in Moderation

Comments awaiting moderation?….Pajama Media is censoring the comments posted on your website. — Geno

I think Taylor Marsh has the authority to let some people, those she likes, post unmoderatedly.

I get moderated on 90% of the threads here. But one author allows my comments to go right into public view.

I’ve even had an experience with one columnist where my comments appeared after moderation and then, I suspect after SHE read them, they disappeared.

I suspect that the system allows for authors to allow commenters they generally approve of to post unrestricted. That other commenters have to await for the moderating staff to approve a comment. But once a comment is presented, it can be deleted by the moderating staff OR the author of the column, based on what I’ve witnessed here.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Remember, this is a private institution. Not the public park.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:18 am 50. House of Eratosthenes:

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Sep 4, 2008 - 6:25 am 51. jay:

I was going to say something but you all conered it pretty good. Home run for the “Barracuda”. Liberals beware.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:27 am 52. mike:

I don’t vote for parties, I vote for people.

McCain – Palin have my vote.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:39 am 53. Gary Ogletree:

Taylor, have you heard that one about glass houses? The Democrats are reeling. The all talk all the time, no record of achievement ticket is on the ropes, and flailing. Obama says he’ll bring a gun to this fight. He might want to reconsider, or maybe go shopping for body armor. New popular saying: “Death had a near Sarah Palin experience.”

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:40 am 54. Insufficiently Sensitive:

Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them?

Is Taylor Marsh a journalist? If so, why doesn’t he actually commit journalism and investigate Obama’s appointment as chairman of the Annenberg Challenge? The history of that 5-year project can be described as $110,000,000, intended to improve schoolkids’ academic performance, squandered on leftwing political organizations which formed a fine base for Obama’s career but made no measureable improvement to the Chicago childrens’ learning.

‘People can’t survive without them’, hey? I suppose them organizers gotta eat, but $110,000,000 must have made for some pretty fine dining. I hope they enjoyed their arugula.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:41 am 55. jay:

“covered it”
blast these fat fingers

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:41 am 56. SEW:

Sounds like some of the liberal posters who in their first sentence identify themselves as an “independent or former Republican,” then proceed to rant like the moonbats they have always been. I hope she jumps on the bloviator , Lyin Joe like stink on….

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:50 am 57. dougf:

“Great speech – but it would have been better without the sarcasm and snide comments.” — Taylor Marsh

Better for whom, pray tell.

Not for moi, certainly.

I thought every last one of the zingers was well aimed and very well deserved by the target audience.

More please. LOTS more.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:00 am 58. Ed Wallis:

“Great speech – but it would have been better without the sarcasm and snide comments.” — Taylor Marsh

There is nothing wrong with sarcasm when the criticism is merited.

I think it’s time for Taylor to head off to that stage-prop lot with all those styrofoam columns.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:15 am 59. Kirk:

“”"what community organizers do in cities across this country?”"”
Lets specifically talk about Chicago race politics. Where Obama did his ‘organizing’. You attempt to hide his specific activities behind a general explanation of what honest organzizers do. What specifically did Obama do? You don’t know or won’t admit, so this part stays nice and vague.

“”"FACT: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. “”"
A ‘more meager’ … is that like ‘the most least’?

“”"…he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation…”"”
Was this section longhand for ‘voted for a defense bill’ ? If he had a noteworthy contribution, I’m sure you would have included it. So, this is really a lie of omission. Like a fat free toothpick. Oh, they’re naturally that way?

“”"two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases.”"”

Whoa… a real accomplishment. Oh wait, its more racial political pandering. You should be embarassed by politicians pandering to racial groups. Instead you mislabel it as him being a ‘leader’. You get two points for recycling.

“”"Reformer is just a label Palin picked up for political purposes”"”
You reveal your dishonesty through your accusation. You have the nerve to make a charge of an unearned label? Reformer for cutting spending, cutting out the chef, selling the plane, battling the corrupt oil council, battling the corrupt prosecutor, defeating the corrupt incumbent IN HER OWN PARTY. Show me any person on your side with that kind of courage. There isn’t one. Not one who can say they fought the party internally on corruption. You protect your guilty, you embrace them.

/meh I’ve probably already spent more time replying that you spent writing the piece. Work harder and smarter next time please. Read some of Victor David Hansons stuff to see what ‘well written’ looks like.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:27 am 60. jeff:

Compare and contrast the Obama speech with Palin’s. Both history making for their respective parties.

Obama was made for TV. Palin, made for her base, and for mom’s. (not mother’s, moms)
Obama speaks in platitudes, and looks down from the mountaintop. He is elite, bespoke.
Palin speaks in the forest. She is one of us. She gets it.

I thought her handling of the media, the family travails, etc was very cunning. She finessed it very well.

Death by a thousand paper cuts.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:36 am 61. Kevin:

To carry on a hockey analogy. The dems were body checked into the glass and still haven’t shaken it off. But the big question will be if they will finally keep their stick on the ice.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:38 am 62. Emily:

sarcasm and snide comments…welcome to politics. She wasn’t dirty or raunchy about it, she just put Obama in his place, which is what Obama needs. It was the truth.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:46 am 63. Rob:

I lean to the left. But I wanted to comment on this.

I did not hear the speech. I have been reading about it though.

If Sarah Palin was snide, sacrastic, whatever, then more power to her. Most of the democratic sites that I visit have for many weeks now asked Obama to step up and attack against the lies and smears that have been leveled against him. So why should we not expect Sarah to do the same? Good on her! I mean, we are talking about a highly visible national position here, she needs to be strong, go on the offensive, and fight back! How could you not expect her to do this? It’s absurd.

Now, what I hold against Sarah. Believing that she is head of the National Guard somehow gives her Military Experience. I put this right on par with the “Alaska is near Russia giving her foreign experience” talking point. Both are absurd.

As far as her daughter goes, I could care less. If I found out her daughter, next year, became pregnant from another guy, I would still not give a crap. Her daughter is fully capapble of living her own life. However, now that this is national, I do not believe for a second that she will be allowed to live her own life. The two are deeply in love and are going to have a happy marriage together? Please. It’s possible the guy might not even be in school next year. I almost feel sorry for him, going from being with the Governors daughter, bu still free to live out his life, to now having impregnated the possible VP’s daughter, and having his life dictated to him by McCain’s lawyers.

The only way I see this whole “daughter is pregnant issue” being relevant to Sarah Palin is this. Please let me never hear her talk about abstince-only education, ever. Ever, Ever, Ever.

Some other litle issues aside, I actually like her. She should be tough, as politics is not for the meek, and it seems to me that she can handle the job well. The whole “she will not have time for her family” response from fellow left-leaning individuals is idiotic beyond belief. For heaven’s sake people this is the 21t century.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:46 am 64. Typical WP:

Oh puh-leez! It is obvious the Dem talking points are to call the speech “snide”… Your candidate took a beating last night by a cool, intelligent woman.

Did anyone call Ann Richards’ “snide” when she delivered her infamous line at the Dem convention re: Bush I : “Poor George, he can’t help it, he was born with a silver foot in his mouth!”

Nope. Why? Because that is political rhetoric! The GOP expects it! And it was funny! The Dems have no sense of humor anymore and are too busy drumming up sob stories about our “mean” country. Palin nailed it with skewering things like Uhbama’s movie set being taken back to Hollywood. The presidency not being a journey of self-discovery (ala Oprah & memoir writing) Great stuff!

Guiliani was having a field day – laughing even – using Hillary’s own criticism of Uhbama – re: hiring someone for a job & qualifications against him saying “Hillary can be right – once!’

The Dems are going down (again) whining and bitching and moaning. No spark of life and humor and spirit.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:47 am 65. Aaron:

I think I saw somewhere that Palin did deploy the Alaska National Guard once to fight forest fires.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:47 am 66. Judy, NYC:

neo: you should update. the annenberg challenge grant money is missing – and under investigation. the reason you don’t seem to know it, is that your huffpo editor and its first cousin, the nytimes buries this very important information. like they bury everything else about your messiah. sarah palin is marvelous. i am a democrat who is sick and tired of the stupid, vicious leftists, their hateful anti-american crap and their deep love for islamic fascists, and your media parrots especially. i will vote mccain-palin without a backward glance.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:49 am 67. lisa:

Don’t be such a bitter bitch, Taylor. There was nothing snide and sarcastic about her speech. It’s called honesty and a sense of humor. Try buying some, it obviously is not a God-given trait for you, poor dear.

The woman is amazing and I’m glad she’s upset all those jealous dem fems who are now left holding an empty bag or should I say ZERO! It must really gall you the most that she’s smart, funny, and good-looking!! Finally, a female political role model to be proud of in this country. I am actually excited about voting and being a part of history in this election!

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:49 am 68. schnargley:

As a repentent ex-beauty queen, who shamelessly pimped for men in sexist beauty pageants, Taylor Marsh is keenly able to see into into the horrible pandering by Palin for the continuation of white male supremacy, the oppresion of the ruling class, and her fake feminism. Palin is the perfect reason why and Obama Presidency is so needed – imagine the horror of backwards religious nuts with guns from braindead backwaters, shamelessly wrapping themselves in the American flag, actually representing our country, when we could have a suave, nuanced, Harvard-educated, big city, verile young black male, who is not so naive as to think Amerika is all that. It is time we join the rest of the world, who are far ahead of us in understanding the way things are and the way they should be. I mean, like, damne dude! -Venezuela even is more advanced than we are. Palin is representative of all that is wrong with Amerika. Her snide, vicious, merciless remarks not only prove that Obama was right about people from those kinds of places, but that she does not even know how to act decent. She is a joke. A sham. A disgrace to womyn everywhere.

The funny thing is how all the right-wing idiots out there are saying that we on the Left are so worried, are “unhinged,” are “having nuclear meltdowns” over Palin. Ha! What a joke! HAHAHAHA!! HEEEHEEEEHEE!!! I am crappping my pants! That is so funny!!! Taylor’s article just rpoves how clam, collected and level-headed we really are at this Palin fakery. She is just an empty dress. She is just a fly to swat. She is ridiculous. We don’t even have to pay any attention to her.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:56 am 69. k. pablo:

This is really an amateurish article. I half-expected to see again Ms. Marsh bring up that she had won a beauty pageant but that Sarah Palin was only runner-up. Can’t Pajamas Media find a more qualified liberal to be the designated left-wing pinata? This is like punching the fat kid in the stomach.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:05 am 70. jvon:

Hilarious. You complain about her snide comments and then call her “hail Mary Palin”.

The reason liberals are flipping out so bad about this woman is because SHE IS GOING TO WIN. Unlike the one that the Dems ran for President and the one The One refused to select for VP, choosing instead a white male Washington insider whose experience (though not judgement) eclipses his own.

The Democrats should spend more time looking for qualified candidates and less trying to convince us all that the Republicans are pure evil. It just makes you look like a bunch of jackasses.

Affectionately,
J

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:06 am 71. Alicia O'Finn:

What does Palin know that Obama doesn’t? Life.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:10 am 72. jay:

schnargley:
You are what’s wrong with the left. Don’t bother commenting back your posts will no longer be read by me for they are filled with your stupidity and are a waist of time.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:11 am 73. Michael:

My 12 yr old son asked me, “Why do the speakers at the Republican convention smile and make jokes and the Democrats didn’t?” I responded that Republicans have a sense-of-humor. Great performance and great message Sarah!

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:11 am 74. jay:

waste of time.

What? Can’t a person make a mistake?

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:13 am 75. WJO:

schnargley: You nailed it. The rubes in flyover country are too unenlightened to recognize that the solution to all of their problems lies in not kissing the hem of the Prophet Obama’s robe. He will do for Amerika what Castro did for Cuba, only with a smiley face.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:13 am 76. cwm:

From the results provided of Obamas community activism it appears Obama does not have a clue. What are the results of his community activism please provide one positive result except lining the pockets Rezko and Ayers. The line about someone from the Bush administration writing her speech is directly from the Obama campaign, just another democratic talkng point, no evidence no proof.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:24 am 77. epb:

The dKKKos style lynching and their unwitting accomplices in the media this week of Palin is contemptible. When Palin strikes back w/ REAL in your face retorts, somehow sensitivities are offended. It was a smack-down! Bullies are sissies.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:24 am 78. lb_philly:

For the past twelve years I have lived in the inner city in a neighborhood that until recently many suburbanites were afraid to travel to, much less think of living. I know exactly what community organizers do and know several by name, more by reputation. I have a deep suspicion, born of experience, of folks who “organize” a community for money rather than as a volunteer.

I think Sarah Palin was right on the money.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:24 am 79. Palin a news Powerhouse | The Anchoress:

[...] the general line I’m seeing from the Thinking Left (as opposed to the Mad Left), and she says well done but would have been better without the snark. I don’t know if I accept that only because this was a VEEP speech, and veeps are supposed to [...]

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:27 am 80. Clyde:

schnargley:”Her snide, vicious, merciless remarks not only prove that Obama was right about people from those kinds of places, but that she does not even know how to act decent. She is a joke. A sham. A disgrace to womyn everywhere”.

Perfect! Thank you schnargley. We love you open-mouthed liberals who speak your mind.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:33 am 81. schnargley:

“You are what’s wrong with the left. Don’t bother commenting back your posts will no longer be read by me for they are filled with your stupidity and are a waist of time.”

OK. I won’t comment back. You obviously have no ability to recognize genius – I’m speaking of Obama’s, not mine. Either way….

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:35 am 82. flyover state and proud:

“Rob” said,

“The only way I see this whole “daughter is pregnant issue” being relevant to Sarah Palin is this. Please let me never hear her talk about abstince-only education, ever. Ever, Ever, Ever.”

I’m sure that no junior high sex-ed class graduate who learned to put a condom on a pickle ever gets pregnant, right?

I’m sure you did everything your parents told you, too, Rob?

And when you went against their will, it was because they were always wrong?

Do you have any children?

pullllllllllllleeeeeze!

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:39 am 83. newguy40:

Remind me again why I read Pajamas Media?

Is this the same site that has Victor David Hanson?

If I want to read this nonsense, I’ll go to DailyKos.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:44 am 84. Ed Wallis:

“schnargley”, you were writing a satire about brain-dead, cliche-parrotting Leftists, weren’t you?!!? FUNNY STUFF!!!

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:51 am 85. Insufficiently Sensitive:

Most of the democratic sites that I visit have for many weeks now asked Obama to step up and attack against the lies and smears that have been leveled against him.

And the Obama campaign, starring Obama himself, began using that tactic months ago as a preemptive attack against anyone who might criticise himself, his family and his record. A slick move, puts the critics on the defensive before they open their mouths, BUT is mendacious in implying that all criticism is unwarranted. And the MSM loves it, since it reinforces their silence and non-examination of any words or deeds that Obama would not wish the public to learn

Where the criticism is based on facts, such as Obama’s meager experience, his zero performance in the Senate as far as bills authored, promoted and passed, his huge collection of PRESENT votes to avoid disclosing his true position on issues, the details of his long and fruitful associations with Ayers, Rezko and the black nationalist Trinity United Church of Christ, and his abysmal failure to improve shool performance during his disbursement of $110,000,000 to ‘activist’ groups – well, bring on the criticism, loud and long. If the MSM won’t do it, then the rest of us better get busy.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:52 am 86. Wade:

That is a good laugh, and the biggest boo hoo ever. Democrats have been making “snide comments” and have been sarcastic about republicans their whole lives…I know, I was one of them once. Also, this entire week the media has devoted itself to naked insults against Palin and her family. Turnabout is fair play. The difference here is that when Obama attacks McCain, democrats snicker and nod. When the shoe is on the other foot, they cry foul, even when the underdog shows them up.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:04 am 87. WJO:

schnargley: Isn’t it true that Obama’s brain is so magnificently created that by merely thinking about an issue it gets resolved? I mean, he can just think about climate change and glaciers stop pouring into the sea, right? Wasn’t Gustav just a reaction at his displeasure that some jerk at McDonald’s put the “boy” giveaway toys in his girls’ Happy Meals?

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:16 am 88. kerochee:

lb-philly, I know where you’re coming from. The only people who really know about “community organizers” are people who are “helped” by them. I, too, moved into an inner city neighborhood. I watched community organizers obtain a grant for $1.5 million to add one (1) room to the “cultural exchange center”. A building owned by the local housing authority. Know what they do there? Have parties and art exhibits. This is in a neighborhood where the average income is a little more than $10,000. No one from the neighborhood goes there. The last gala they had was $60 a head in a community where average weekly take home pay is $200. They limousine in the wealthy and pay for security and serve Hors D’Oeuvres. One block away sits a ghetto owned by this same local housing authority. The partygoers can’t hear the gunfire because their jazz band plays really loud.

Obama’s record as a organizer was a failure, too. Forget about all the people he hangs around with, just look at his record. The Annenberg Challenge was deemed an abject failure. Do you know how hard it is for a non-profit initiative to be deemed a failure. You have to royally screw up not to win accolades as a community organization. Notice the news of the kids in Chicago skipping school to protest the garbage that is their schools. This is HOPE? This is CHANGE?

The reason that Sarah Palin’s speech resonated so well with us: It’s what we want to say to the guy in the cubicle next to us or the next door neighbor that goes on and on about how “historic” Obama is or the unwashed unemployed anarchists breaking windows on tv or Taylor Marsh. We want to hit back hard but it’s not always the wise thing to do. So we try reason or hold our tongues. She voiced what many of us think and believe. AND she made us laugh. At Obama. Derisive laughter, at times. The absolute best weapon we have. If we didn’t consider him a joke, it wouldn’t be funny. That’s why Taylor hears snarky and we hear hilarious. He hears sarcasm and so do we but we LOVE it.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:20 am 89. Ed Wallis:

“Insufficiently Sensitive”, when you write:

“Where the criticism is based on facts, such as Obama’s meager experience, his zero performance in the Senate as far as bills authored, promoted and passed,

his huge collection of PRESENT votes to avoid disclosing his true position on issues,

the details of his long and fruitful associations with Ayers, Rezko and the black nationalist Trinity United Church of Christ, and his

abysmal failure to improve s(c)hool performance during his disbursement of $110,000,000 to ‘activist’ groups

- well, bring on the criticism, loud and long. If the MSM won’t do it, then the rest of us better get busy.”

…I was wondering if you could please be a little more clear about what you mean…heh.

Well stated! TIME FOR VETTING the ZEROBAMA!!!

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:22 am 90. S. Weasel:

Lefties have *very* thin skins. I think that’s because an important component of the left-leaning pol is a passionate desire to be cool.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:24 am 91. Terri:

Oh..what is wrong Taylor…you and your elite media can dish it but not take it? Reap the whirlwind!

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:32 am 92. Rob Lichtstein:

Palin-can deliver a speech without fumbling her words, credit.
Palin- has education in communication and I think journalism-credit
Palin- is able to read and right. credit
Palin- supposedly stands up for corruption in government but is being investigated for her abuse of power.ehh
Palin- delivered a speech that wasn’t written by her, and was written by Bush speech writers- who are her constituents? the corporate elite–blahhh!

unfortunately, she is a puppet-with no integrity.

where is the diversity of the people in this party- the grand OLD party

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:36 am 93. Dan Collins:

“She just should have delivered it without the condescension, sarcasm and snide remarks. Then there was the small town vs. civic pride, which always seems to raise that divide when Republicans are involved. Palin mocking Obama’s community organizing activist roots. Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them? That was just the beginning of Sarah’s snidely smackdowns.”

Obama and Ayers had $150 million through the Annenberg Challenge with which to improve Chicago’s public schools, and O’s kids are at the U of Chicago Magnet School? Taylor, when you show the same concern for the sneering condescension of the MSM (Quinn being the most recent prime example) or the outright lies and shaded truths peddled in publications such as US Weekly, or when you whack Heartache Andrew for not acknowledging the double standard regarding Father of the Year John Edwards, then I might try being a bit more sympathetic towards your POV.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:44 am 94. WJO:

In order to have a sense of humor you have to have a sense of the divine and how far we humans depart from that. Show me a humorless bore and I’ll show you someone convinced of human perfection. Usually, also someone who “knows” how to correct your faults (you stupid moron)if only you would listen to him or her.

This whole thread points out a truism: Republicans go to political conventions to get drunk and have fun; Democrats go to conventions to pick up 10 pounds of pamphlets.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:45 am 95. schnargley:

“Isn’t it true that Obama’s brain is so magnificently created that by merely thinking about an issue it gets resolved?”(WJO)

Well, part of the “change that we are that we have been hoping for,” is a literal evolutionary jump in thinking processes – this is what we are dealing with here, something those pathetic little neanderthalic flag-wavers of ther Old Amerika will never grasp. We are talking about meta-thinking, as opposed to narrow linear thinking of the past. Words take on new meanings. Logic is transmorphed into quantum transformations. Meanings become meaningless as the only absolute becomes that there are none.

Oh what’s the use? I now I am talking way above most of your heads….

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:47 am 96. Fat Man:

Taylor: you are a hoot.

Obama is an empty suit who has done absolutely nothing except work on his memoirs and run for office. He is a lawyer who never went to court. A law professor who never wrote an scholarly article. A state senator who voted present. A community organizer? Give me a break that is a meaningless title and job. Oh yes, a US senator, who spent his single term there running for higher office. I assume that if he loses, the next volume of his memoirs (working title: “Why Are Those People So Mean to Me”) will be out next year.

Sarah was mean to him? TS. Politics is a contact sport. Pointing out the flaws in your tin messiah may upset you, but most of the country has not yet swallowed the kool-aid. With Sarah’s help we may yet avoid the catastrophe that would be Obama’s election.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:55 am 97. jay:

Rob Lichtstein, Obama reads speeches from speechwriters too. Politicians do that. I bet those republicans she stepped on in Alaska don’t think she’s a puppet. Investigation for abuse of power, please, we know that story. Oh forget it your not worth it.

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:56 am 98. jay:

schnargley:
“Oh what’s the use?” I agree, why don’t you just leave then?

Sep 4, 2008 - 9:58 am 99. Marina:

COMMUNITY ORGANIZING in the case of Obama and Ayers is actually Saul Alinsky’s “community organizing”, i.e. cinically using poor people as a mean to come to power: “They have money, we have people”. That’s why Obama’s CHANGE is so scary. It’s exactly what Alinsky’s famous “change-quotation” says: tell them everything is sooooo bad, sooooo desperately bad, that they’ll want to change it. And that he called the predecessor of the “revolutionary (= socialist) change”. If you want, just google the quotation and compare it to Obama’s message. Really scary. GO, SARAH!

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:02 am 100. Tom W.:

Just heard on Limbaugh that Palin’s teleprompter kept scrolling through the applause, so she ended up giving half the speech from memory.

So did Rudy.

Compare that to Uh-uh-uh-uh-bama, who’s lost without a script.

Now I’m even more impressed by Palin.

She’ll mop the earth with Biden, especially now that he’s flip-flopped on drilling.

How do you spell “Democrat”? P-A-N-I-C-K-I-N-G.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:03 am 101. Sandra M:

Taylor Marsh writes awful columns — and the comments are always intellectually superior to her columns. Come on PJM, there must be a literate liberal available elsewhere.

One commenter mentioned Gwen Ifil’s facial expression, responding to Palin, showing she is in the tank for Obambi. Isn’t she supposed to be the moderator of the VP debate? I OBJECT STRENUOUSLY. Brit Hume or some more objective journalist should moderate that debate because after what Justice Clarence Thomas went through and what Justice William Clark went through with Biden it’s obvious the man is totally underhanded and untrustworthy. And with an in the tank for Obambi moderating, Palin will be at a double disadvantage.

Biden should be re-VETTED. The scandal about his son and brother and the hedge fund are less important than letting the American public know that the harsh new bankruptcy law and sky high credit card interest are Biden’s payback to his supporters. So much for his care about the “little people.”

The press won’t investigate the many Biden and Obama scandals. I think it’s up to the kind of amateur journalists who brought Dan Rather down. I will donate to any 527 that comes up with clever commercials exposing these two dangerous frauds. And isn’t that how Pajamas Media got started? The media scorning the amateurs who exposed Dan Rather’s lies?

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:05 am 102. RedneckJD:

A “community organizer” is a left wing tool to fan imaginary flames of people who will not get off their butts and do for themselves. It is a classic of Marxists, and was touted by Saul Alinsky. And a community organizer has no one to answer to, other than his boss, for not delivering enough sad souls to the devil left.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:10 am 103. Bartleby:

Only policy wonks like you complain about the jabs. Most Voters are not policy wonks. The sarcasm was deserved and long overdue.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:12 am 104. Danae:

Well, most certainly we know where your Bias lay now don’t we? You missed something in your attempt to reduce the magnitude of what happened last night. Most people recognize the VALUE of changing one’s mind because it is the better DECISION…. you silly little pundants have confused that with flipping on an issue to follow in the direction of the current political wind (read that as following polls and idiot pundants). We average Americans KNOW and live the difference, and we can clearly see it when it happens, no matter HOW it’s spun. When it was clear that the “Bridge to no-where” was a bad idea, Sarah decided against it. Obama has not one SINGLE iota of experience in that position. Hell the man can’t seem to even vote yes or no, he can’t take a stand on anything least he be forced to change his mind to follow the political “Poll” wind. Both McCain and Palin have not only the personal strength to MAKE a choice, they have the personal fortitude to stand up and take the heat, even change their position when its clearly in the best interests of the people they SERVE, regardless of the political cost to themselves! THAT is the kind of leadership I want, and I dare say, THAT IS WHAT MOST AMERICANS WANT.

That’s just something you little over paid weenies who can’t seem to make any decisions either (namely keep your personal beliefs out of reporting the NEWS), just do not seem capable of internalizing. There is a difference between doing what’s right for your constituents and changing your mind, and doing what is in your own Political best interest and changing your mind. We out here get it, time for you guys to as well. Americans are neither blind not stupid. Time for the MSM to catch up to that reality.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:14 am 105. WJO:

schnargley: So what you are saying to us benighted neocon thugtards is that Obama is like Lt. Barclay in the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode (the Nth Degree) where aliens got into his brain and created a super brain, but this Barclay (Obama) listens to John Prine? Just want to make sure I can explain it to the other cavedwellers around the fire.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:17 am 106. jkstewart2:

I haven’t heard of single accomplishment for either Biden or Obama. Biden has been in Washington for ages and Obama for four years. When have they every crossed their party? When have they reached across the aisle? What have they changed? What have they accomplished? Compared to McCain and Palin they are pretenders.

PS: The funniest most inane complaint by Taylor was trashing Palin for the “community organizer” line. Barrak’s community activst sojourn was as a cog of the Chicago machine. Taylor should get a clue….

PPS: Joe Biden is a joke. I’m so glad that Obama didn’t pick someone with some substance. Warner and Kaine would have represented real change and ability. Bayh would have been classy and Hillary might have closed the case. Thank goodness Obama again demonstrated his fecklessness. The party is over and Obama is toast…

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:21 am 107. Dave II:

Is it safe to assume that the Palin-Biden debate will be the next “Super Bowl” in American politics???

Funny thing happened last night. A STAR was born and the American public just can’t get enough of this woman. Even the left seems mesmerized and stunned…unable to understand why their annointed One is yesterday’s news in less than a week. Like Taylor, they are left sputtering and grasping at straws. It’s been what…since, like Reagan, that I’ve seen so much apoplexy
and befuddlement.

It’s says a LOT (and NOT about being “snide” or sarcastic!) when people are repeating the lines of your speech the next day…and can’t remember word ONE your opponent said in his speech, except that he sure gave it good!

The Dems are in BIG TROUBLE…and not just for this election in 2008!

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:22 am 108. Dave II:

schnargley-
“Meanings become meaningless as the only absolute becomes that there are none.”

No…you’re not talking “above our heads” (elitism excused).

Your last sentence there ABSOLUTELY hit the nail on the head on WHY your ideas (and that of the left) are so morally bankrupt!

I couldn’t have pointed it out any better. Thanks for doing it for me!

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:28 am 109. Ed Wallis:

“snortley” writes, “We are talking about meta-thinking, as opposed to narrow linear thinking of the past. Words take on new meanings. Logic is transmorphed into quantum transformations. Meanings become meaningless as the only absolute becomes that there are none. “

Oh, yes…”new” meanings…as in, whatever I want it to mean for the next 5 minutes.”

Derrida? Focault? Chomsky?

I think what you’re trying to say, Lenin said it better (to paraphrase): LIE ALL YOU WANT UNTIL YOU GET THE POWER. THEN JUST CUT OFF THEIR HEADS.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:30 am 110. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Dave II
RE: Political Sporting Events

Is it safe to assume that the Palin-Biden debate will be the next “Super Bowl” in American politics??? — Dave II

Personally….

….I’d like to see a tag-team, cage event.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Politics is the entertainment division of industry.]

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:30 am 111. John Dubya:

What a hoot~!

I had so many scathing things to write as I read this posting from Taylor,,, than as I scrolled through the responses, I see all my points have been covered.

I’d say that’s about typical of the readership at PJM.

In any case, I think America has a new north star on the political horizon, one from which we can all chart a new course. GO SARAH PALIN~!

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:31 am 112. avoidswork:

I find it humorous that you accuse Obama supporters as sycophantic, that you call him “The One” and the “messiah”.

Ironic in that you are doing it to Palin now… A name you didn’t know two weeks ago.

I think she gave a fantastic opening speech. I do agree, though, that as an introduction to her, it came off a little bit Mean Girl-ish. However, she showed her chops and that she is no shrinking violet and can hold her own.

I therefore expect everyone to treat her as they would treat Hillary – as a candidate and not a woman candidate.

Barracuda came out swinging so she better not be a whiner as this campaign continues. I’m not saying she will be, but I also don’t want to hear from the McCain talking heads about media bias towards her. I think Chris Matthews said it best yesterday that the media is curious about her because she is an unknown quantity and are asking questions in view of the fact that the McCain campaign had yet to make her accessible to the media.

I find it ironic, however, that the Repubs have flipped this to a “reform” campaign.

As Alaska governer, Palin requested and got earmarks. Earmarks McCain specifically had issues with (especially the Bridge to Nowhere – which McCain helped dub that name) in view of Katrina and providing relief instead of sending that money to Alaska. Alaska has benefited significantly from earmarks and Palin has bragged about it.

I still say that this campaign, on both sides, is about Obama and McCain. After all, they are the ones running for President.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:32 am 113. Betsy:

Taylor, you were right on. All the posts here are from the far right loonies who think she’s their Princess.

When people see what her political stands are, they won’t be so enthralled with this beauty queen. And that’s not a sexist remark as you whiny repubs would like to call it. Just remember, she was runner up in the Miss Alaska contest. She has just as much corruption under her belt as any of the republicans in Alaska. And she’s a great friend of Stevens. Believes that Israel is rightfully punished by terrorists because in the words of her pastor “they murdered Jesus”.

Would take this nation back to the days of the wild west if she ever became President.

This is not my type of woman. So what if she is Governor. She doesn’t believe in the womens rights that I believe in.

Last night she lied about Obama. And to think that she put down community organizers. And that voice is enough to grate on your nerves.

Not a cool pick. I think there are other women in the republican party that would have been much better.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:35 am 114. AJ:

You lost me with your first line, Taylor. Pathetic and childish, like your party. When did the Party of Defeat last nominate someone other than a white guy before 2008?

The sexism, racism and bigotry of the left is unmatched. And you wonder why you lose elections ?

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:38 am 115. marc sobel:

I am surprised that no personal finance scandals have come out. It would be surprising for a woman as pigheaded, ethically blind and Republican as this one to not have done some dirty financial deals. Of course that may be the other shoe.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:43 am 116. schnargley:

“Oh what’s the use?” I agree, why don’t you just leave then? (jay)

To where? DailyKos, MoveOn, DemocracyNow!, the NYT has many commenters and editorialists like myself.

Sep 4, 2008 - 10:52 am 117. Believer:

Sarah’s our gal — after nearly a week of some REALLY awful stuff coming from the Left and the MSM – she defended herself.

Some awfully funny lines – delivered perfectly with good humor – that corrected the record while revealing the truth about the opponent.

No whining. No victimization. No self-pity.

How refreshing. And classy.

BO could take a lesson.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:06 am 118. iamnotastepfordwife:

I’m confused. Exactly what qualifications do you have to call yourself a political analyst? To use a word from Harry Ried, your words sound shrill and you come across as very bitter. Actually a little pathetic.

Personally, I think everyday you sound more and more unhinged. Actually, I think the door has fallen completely off for you.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:07 am 119. cedarford:

Rob –

Now, what I hold against Sarah. Believing that she is head of the National Guard somehow gives her Military Experience. I put this right on par with the “Alaska is near Russia giving her foreign experience” talking point. Both are absurd.

Give Rob credit for being an objective Left-Centrist.

Some Republican positive spin on Palin is so bullshit that even her new “fans” find it tough to swallow.
1. Palin the Russian and Canadian “expert negotiator”. One zealot said Palin controls the sea lanes that other nations are permitted to pass through in the Bering Sea – omitting two little things called the Coast Guard and USN that actually do that. Nor does she negotiate treaties with foreign nations – that is Constitutionally barred. As Gov, she only impliments Alaska’s state role in treaties the Feds make and delegate to punlic and private parties..

2. Nor is she in any way “Commander in Chief” in charge of US defenses against Russia (or Canada) or in control of her national guard as pertains to war assignments, Air Guard defense of NORAD space, or the guard unit that operates missile defense in Alaska.

3. Add in that fatuous part about how 1 1/2 years as Gov makes her more experienced and a better leader than Senators Truman, JFK, LBJ, Nixon. Or Congressmen Ford & Bush I. Or more “executive” and knowledgable about America’s domestic and foreign issues than present Senators Biden and McCain.
While a case that she is perhaps slightly more ready on resume grounds than Obama can be made, if you except the fact that Obama has learned a hell of a lot and managed his campaign and staff far better than “ready because I was a spouse to a Governor & President” Hillary.

Being a governor is an executive spot, but leadership arises also in the military, business, Congress. Governors hold no monopoly, nor are they guaranteed to step in competent as failed Presidents like Carter and Bush II prove. Plus, look at Screaming Gov Howard Dean, Gov Richardson, who came across clearly as a bumbling idiot not ready to lead his way out of a paper bag, or monodimensional “executive” leader Mayor “Mr. 9/11″ who rose and fell on his “Terrahists! Terrahists!” one-note music. And the job Gov hardly means one is free of corruption or surprise skeletons in the closet – as long-time “executive leader” Pastor Huckleberry, Buddy Ryan of Illinois, Taft of Ohio, John Rowland of CT, Elliot Spitzer of NY have proved in recent years.

Obamabots shovel the ridiculous crap hagiography for their guy, and Palin shills do the same. It would be nice if both sides would stop jerking around on insincere propaganda points and be honest.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:08 am 120. iamnotastepfordwife:

Taylor,,,,Community Organizers have to work with the City Council, which is head up by the Major to get approval of some of the “organzing” they can do.

Why don’t you just accept the obvious….the republicans were doing a rope-a-dope. And just like Ali’s opponents in the ring, the dems and the media were taken completely off guard by it.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:17 am 121. Insufficiently Sensitive:

I find it humorous that you accuse Obama supporters as sycophantic, that you call him “The One” and the “messiah”. Ironic in that you are doing it to Palin now…

Balderdash. No one’s swooning in the audience, no one’s chanting meaningless “yes we can” in response to platitudes. I find it humorous the the commenter is so desperate that all he can think of to do is say ‘you do it too’, without considering that the Obama hype has gone on for two years while Governor Palin was actually governing.

I think she gave a fantastic opening speech. I do agree, though, that as an introduction to her, it came off a little bit Mean Girl-ish. However, she showed her chops and that she is no shrinking violet and can hold her own.

Uh, we don’t need a nanny to tell us that. Listening to her is a lot more informative.

I therefore expect everyone to treat her as they would treat Hillary – as a candidate and not a woman candidate.

Without being a woman, Hillary wouldn’t have been able to marry Bill and get all that free exposure in the White House. She’d not have been able to carpetbag into the Senate. Unlike Governor Palin, the artificial props behind her Presidential candidacy are far greater than her governing accomplishments.

Barracuda came out swinging so she better not be a whiner as this campaign continues. I’m not saying she will be, but I also don’t want to hear from the McCain talking heads about media bias towards her. I think Chris Matthews said it best yesterday that the media is curious about her because she is an unknown quantity and are asking questions in view of the fact that the McCain campaign had yet to make her accessible to the media.

This woman has been Governor of Alaska for two years. The vanity of the media in general and Chris Matthews in particular are only exceeded by their staggering ignorance of the world outside of their cozy little studios. ‘Make her accessible’? Please! Why don’t those lazy ‘journalists’ ever do some reporting? Sorry she’s a Republican (despite their heroic try to paint her as something else) – I can understand that journalists recoil in horror before such bizarre creatures – but try to get some diversity into your lives and improve your education.

And it’s not crossing a line to take notice of the lavish hours devoted by the MSM to turning a promising (R) candidate into a soap opera. That’s not reporting, it’s partisan jackassery with big long donkey’s ears. It’s entirely appropriate to criticise such savagely biased behavior in the face of MSM’s 99% failure to probe into the murky Chicago doings of Obama and his coddled path into the Senate.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:27 am 122. bill-tb:

The woman, who skins moose, cut down Zeus.

And found his temple was made of Styrofoam.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:28 am 123. GM Roper:

“Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them?”

And why would that be. Perhaps because in the inner city, Democrats have consistently destroyed initiative saying that big brother will take care of you. Let the inner city LEARN to take care of themselves and cities will once again blossem.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:29 am 124. TomJW:

It’s because of the sarcasm and snide remarks that I don’t actually read your columns anymore.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:29 am 125. jay:

schnargley:
“Oh what’s the use?” I agree, why don’t you just leave then? (jay)

“To where? DailyKos, MoveOn, DemocracyNow!, the NYT has many commenters and editorialists like myself.”

yes

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:41 am 126. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Rob
RE: TRY NOT….

….what I hold against Sarah. Believing that she is head of the National Guard somehow gives her Military Experience. I put this right on par with the “Alaska is near Russia giving her foreign experience” talking point. Both are absurd. — Rob

…NOT….

….to be too stupid.

In MY state, the constitution reads as follows:

28-3-104. Commander in chief – staff

The governor shall be the commander in chief of the military forces except so much thereof as may be in the actual service of the United States and may employ the same for the defense or relief of the state, the enforcement of its laws, the protection of life and property therein, the implementation of the Emergency Management Assistance Compact, and for the training of the military forces for all appropriate state missions. He or she shall make and publish regulations not inconsistent with law and enforce the provisions of this article. He or she may appoint a staff, consisting of an adjutant general as chief of staff and such other officers as he or she deems necessary if all such officers are federally recognized officers in their respective ranks in the National Guard of the state.

Source: L. 55: p. 609, § 4. CRS 53: § 94-9-4. C.R.S. 1963: § 94-1-4. L. 2002: Entire section amended, pp. 585, 593, §§ 5, 27, effective May 24.

Editor’s note: Amendments to this section by sections 5 and 27 of Senate Bill 02-099 were harmonized.

In Alaska, being in such close proximity to the one nation on the face of the Earth that could obliterate many of our largest cities, this is a tad more ’significant’ than being governor of the Great State of ARKANSAS.

Maybe that’s why the Alaska National Guard has an Anti-Missile Missile Air Defense Artillary Battalion…probably of the PATRIOT persuasion. And maybe that’s why that battalion is in FULL-TIME readiness.

Getting a ‘clue’ here?

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:02 pm 127. avoidswork:

Insufficiently Sensitive –

People, as a general rule, did not know about Palin a few weeks ago and now she is being talked about as the future and the savior of the Republican Party (I, like, watched the convention last night and the talking heads. On ALL channels). Deal with it. I personally don’t care, but oh, the irony.

I personally do not understand your nanny comment: my opinion was that this was more high school/team coach than VP candidate. But I certainly do not discount her speech in any way. She was very impressive and showed America that she is not a whining woman, but a politician. I morally cannot agree with her, but she didn’t give a Lieberman snoozefest or a bitter Guiliani speech.

I have no idea why you would take issue with my candidate comment. Prior to this speech, people were saying Biden might have to be careful with her, etc. I think that through this speech she demonstrated she was a candidate (who happens to be a woman). Therefore, I hope both sides will take her seriously in the same vein they would take Hillary seriously and ask serious policy and ethics questions. It was by no means an insult of Palin but a praise that we don’t have to play the woman game, just the qualifications/judgment game.

Which is what the election should be about. For everyone.

MSM are ridiculous.

But McCain supporters were telling Tweety that the media was being harsh and critical in Palin questions/coverage and Tweety asked for an example. I kid you not, one answer was “US Weekly.” US Weekly? Oh, and CNN because Campbell Brown asked for an example to her leadership of the AK Natl Guard. In a non-offensive or deriding manner, but as a, “You said that she had CiC experience; please give one example of a decision she made as CiC of the Natl Gaurd.” THAT is not offensive or derisive, but inquisitive. The problem is they couldn’t answer so got all pansied up about how MEAN CNN is.

And, Palin was under cover until this speech last night and hasn’t given press interviews since becoming a candidate. So all the talking heads of MSM and blogs, etc. are asking questions because answers are not available. I’m simply saying that the more she puts herself out there for questions, the less of the speculating there will be.

I may be liberal and voting for Obama. But I read PJM for a different point of view. I may not agree with everything, but I read and try to pose questions. I co not believe I behave in a troll-like manner and act derisive towards posters.

I have an opinion. I express it.

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:06 pm 128. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Please, Rob….

…tell US all what military organization/formation Obama or Biden have been the commander-in-chief of?

What general officers—recognized by the federal government—have they appointed and had approved by the US Senate?

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:10 pm 129. Believer:

How wonderful is it that now — after nearly two years of the Fraudulent One spouting Hope and Change — that in these last weeks we’re finally shown the real thing?

McCain has been the one to reach across the aisle — NO record of it with BO. So much for the One who will bring us together.

MCain has been the one to look out for the taxpayer (exposing wasteful spending) — BO (typically) earmarked money to benefit his wife and pals. So much for a ‘different kind of politician.’

Palin is the one who’s successfully fought corruption in government — BO has spent his political career cozying up to – and profiting from – the usual crooks.

As McCain said, Palin is his soul mate. With McCain/Palin in Washington, we Americans will finally get the change we deserve.

Let’s send the message to Washington – that this is the time for reform. And we have reason to hope. Because now we finally have two people on OUR side.

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:11 pm 130. Majorajam:

Oh the irony. The Republican meme has it that Obama supporters are cultists with their support ungrounded in any reality of his record of accomplishment. Yet here Taylor Marsh blows up every in the litany of comical rationales you people have tried to foist as qualifying this woman to be one elderly heartbeat from the Presidency of this nation- e.g. shouldn’t she have the first clue about what a VP does, or the sense not to admit that she doesn’t? Should she have visited a foreign country before, or have paid attention to a war that is about to get her son in harm’s way? etc.- and you offer no remotely substantive response. I’ve read a through a number of these inane comments too, and feel stupider for the effort – Ms. Marsh is ‘elitest’, ‘out of touch’- with a reality Republicans are on record as deriding no doubt- and blah blah baloney.

The cult of the lipstick wearing pit bull with the two cent head. At least it can be said you worship a celebrity of your own image…

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:19 pm 131. avoidswork:

Insuf. Sens. –

Here is the one part of my initial commentary on this thread you did not respond to:

–I find it ironic, however, that the Repubs have flipped this to a “reform” campaign.

As Alaska governer, Palin requested and got earmarks. Earmarks McCain specifically had issues with (especially the Bridge to Nowhere – which McCain helped dub that name) in view of Katrina and providing relief instead of sending that money to Alaska. Alaska has benefited significantly from earmarks and Palin has bragged about it.–

I notice on this website that everyone says Ayers, Rezko, Wright… but many do not actually answer the qeustions/comments like the above one. Look it up, vet it out. I’m not shilling or making this up – there is a handwritten comment in her mayoral record giving props for the earmarks she brougth into Wasilla. In addition, look up McCain earmark comments. He has specifically stated in the past issues with Wasilla, AK earmarks.

The Reverend Wright issue does not bother me. Obama throwing him under the bus bothers me.

Ayers/Rezko comments… I’ll reserve until I hear an answer of how the “reform” campaign can reconcile this. Or maybe people just don’t care.

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:20 pm 132. Scott Somerville:

Where were you, Taylor, when Anne Richards said George H.W. Bush was born with a silver foot in his mouth?

Sarah BARRACUDA has a bite! Get used to it.

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:30 pm 133. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Speaking of….

“….lipstick wearing pit bull with the two cent head….” — Majorajam

Would you please send US a jpeg self-portrait?

I’ve never really seen such as you describe before. And, after all the tripe trotted out by some others here, I could use a good laugh.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Laugh at yourself. Join the rest of us.]

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:35 pm 134. tim maguire:

Roger, seriously. If David Corn can’t be brought aboard, then how about Big Tent Democrat from TalkLeft? I’ve only read a handful of his essays, but he seems like someone who doesn’t re-adjust his BS detector everytime he changes targets.

Sep 4, 2008 - 12:49 pm 135. BMoon:

“The only way I see this whole “daughter is pregnant issue” being relevant to Sarah Palin is this. Please let me never hear her talk about abstince-only education, ever. Ever, Ever, Ever.” (Rob L.)

Ehhh not quite, space cowboy. With that logic, NO sex education should be promoted because none of it works. Not even the leftie line of “All sex is good no matter, so do it like rabbits as much as possible, whenever, with whatever, however….just make sure you wear a condom!!!” . Neither should parents ever try to encourage their kids to be responsible, because, it seems that doesn’t work either.

At least Sarah palin teaches her kids to take responsability for irresponsible sexual activity by not making the unborn infant the guilty party and the victim on the altar of unrestrained sex.

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:11 pm 136. Believer:

BO has accomplished NOTHING in all his years of public service. Remember early on, when those who were assigned to speak in support of him, were asked to name one accomplishment, and they couldn’t name a single thing!?

Definitely a revealing moment.

His work has served no one – except himself. When it hasn’t been used to promote his run for the next higher office — he, his wife and pals have monetarily profited from his ’service.’

But the public? Not so much. In fact, in most cases, quite the opposite. For some strange reason, he and his associates manage to make matters worse for the public. Like housing, public education and healthcare. And I’d say his fellow parishoners at TUCC are worse off after hearing the messages from his spiritual mentor, Wright.

You see, it’s a matter of character and judgment. Knowing what’s right and what’s wrong. And having the courage to do the right thing. It’s a hard thing for some weak individuals.

Maybe if BO started looking out for the people, rather than himself, we might buy into his rhetoric. Until then, we’ll wait for the mask to come off. But if we depend on the MSM, I have an idea it’ll be a very long wait.

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:12 pm 137. S:

…it is bad enough the DNC and ‘new Obama Democratic party’ did not have the good sense to use the female Democratic star of their party – the one who actually pulled in 18 million votes, Hillary Clinton…no the ‘new Obama Democratic Party’ is so tone deaf, they did not even have the good sense to put Hillary Clinton, the female star of their party in the year of heightened enthusiasm and participation from women, on the ticket to debate and represent the Democratic party as the VP…

…no, instead the took Hillary’s votes and delegates and sent her to the back of the bus and back into submission…

…don’t blame McCain and the Republicans because they felt the ‘pulse’ of the country and had enough good sense to find a female star in the camp to groom as the face of the future of the Republican party…

…that is not all bad enough from the tone deaf Democrats who did not even think 18 Million votes was enough to put a woman on their ticket…

..but now we have Democratic women sounding like a bunch of hypocrites and sexists…forget the men…now the Democratic women are the ones taking women backwards…

I got one question for my Democratic female friends…Would you rather McCain just picked another man?

…or can you get it thru your heads that we, the Dems, are the ones that missed this boat…and now the Repubs have the high ground when it comes to getting a women to the debate table with the big boys…

…will you Democratic women please come out of your hypocritical shell and stop with the whining long enough to realize that progress, as in progressive, is about getting more and more women at that table…not just Democratic women…all women…

Hillary opened the door…the Dems shut it on her…now a Repub woman is grabbing her opportunity…hopefully the next time, the Dems will wake the hell up and put their star, Hillary Clinton, at the TOP OF THE TICKET, where she belonged, instead of selecting another male and a rookie to gamble on….

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:55 pm 138. Cletus:

Hey schnargley:

Here’s some advice on how not to be taken seriously:

1: talk about “Old Amerika”

2: mention quantum transformations

3: spell women “womyn”

Sep 4, 2008 - 1:58 pm 139. cedarford:

Pelto – Go back to what I said about honesty.

Palin may use the guard for humanitarian, police action, relief work in disaster – but not military missions.

Meaning she could use her knowledge of how things work for something like using national guard for storm damage relief, cleaning up a mass salmon die-off, or policing a clash between Indian tribes over cigarette sales…And ceremonial duties greeting troops.

But nothing to do with knowledge of or being involved in actual military actions. She is not trained in that by her adjutant general, and nothing in her background as a TV sportscaster or mayor gives her experience outside that.

Nothing to do with missile defense, air patrols and intercepts by Alaska Air Guard, or defending Alaska against Russians or those dastardly Canadians..Nothing about ordering the Coast Guard, Navy, about.

Not her job.

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:05 pm 140. Rev. Steven Schueren:

Taylor, are you kidding? The sarcasm and snide comments made it worth it all for my family. Rudy’s were awesome as well. What is wrong with poking at the other side in a confident manner? Are you politics really this soft and mushy?

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:07 pm 141. Cletus:

Majorajam needs to learn the difference between a genuine personality cult that has been carefully cultivated and indoctrinated over the past 2 years, and excitement over a fresh, honest face that may actually negate all the diabolical brainwashery that will surely doom America if it decides the next president.

Majorajam also needs to learn the definition of “Irony”

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:15 pm 142. Majorajam:

Chuck[y], I assume the self-parody is unintentional, so I’ll humor you with a response. Pit bull with lip stick comes from Sarah Palin’s description of herself. It was in this speech that happened last night that this blog post is about. You might look it up. My citing it was not an allusion to Sarah Palin’s appearance, which I’ve already heard more about than I ever cared to, and which I receive each new revelation from the media about like a fresh pin prick to the frontal lobe.

Let me spell it out to this crowd, since you’re clearly not an audience appreciative of subtlety. Either you think that some record of accomplishment is required to qualify you for the highest office in the land, or you don’t. If you don’t, then shut your pie hole about what your extensive research, a.k.a. mental downloads from the GOP mothership, tell you about Barack Obama’s qualifications and experience. They don’t matter. If, however, these attacks do not constitute mind bending cognitive dissonance, and you do agree these things are at least notionally pertinent, then it should be pointed out that AN ATTACK ON BARACK OBAMA’S CHARACTER OR RECORD DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A DEFENSE OF SARAH PALIN’S READINESS TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, something all readily admit is a qualification to be Vice President of the United States. That is neither a partisan nor a controversial statement. It is fact here in the reality based community. And I should think that question might matter to you ostensibly civically minded ditto heads.

So, please the court, will someone, anyone, offer anything remotely resembling a rebuttal of Taylor Marsh’s through takedown of the various rationales offered for Sarah Palin’s candidacy for Vice President? Not all at once now…

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:25 pm 143. Insufficiently Sensitive:

avoidswork says “the media is curious about her because she is an unknown quantity

And I say, she’s been Governor for two years, and add that if the media thinks she’s an unknown quantity, it says more about media ignorance and sloth than it does about her.

I notice on this website that everyone says Ayers, Rezko, Wright

And I notice that Obama’s longtime associations with this unlovely trio have been blithely skipped over by the same MSM that thought that Governor Palin was a nonentity despite her accomplishments. It’s telling that both media errors accrue to the benefit of the Democratic party. More disturbing, Obama’s CAC association with Ayers (who probably handed BO the job of squandering more than $100,000,000 to activist organizations at the expense of Chicago schoolchildren) has been blacked out in favor of MSM fawning and cooing over Obama’s feelgood saynothing speeches. I’ll begin to believe the public is being properly informed when they assign as many manhours to the Obama-Ayers partnership as they have to opposition research on Palin and promoting Obama.

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:27 pm 144. Marc:

To: Elitists everywhere

Some people don’t like normal, they usually have poor self-esteem. It’s tough when you can’t figure out what everyone else is doing, isn’t it?

Everyone has to have someone to look down upon, I guess. My kid beat up your honor student, or something like that.

Why are these the same people that are always unhappy and want “change”? Try turning your underwear inside out, that’s different… and it’s free!

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:30 pm 145. mishu:

You’re afraid aren’t you Taylor?

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:30 pm 146. BMoon:

Cletus,
Hint: I do not think “schnargley” meant to be taken seriously.

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:41 pm 147. Marc:

Majorajam:

She shores up the base without being the star of the show. McCain captures the independents and moderates, Palin invigorates the neocons. We had trouble with them before, being discontented with whom was voted in by the majority.

She may even appeal to some disenfranchised women, IE: HRC and the “leftovers”. No offense.

It isn’t a hard sell, it was a rebuttal to the Biden pick. Barry went with a safe and reasonable choice, McCain could do something risky then.

It also allows us to distance ourselves with GWB, but still appeal to the GWB voters with Palin. They like her, she is likable.

Fairly obvious.

In regards to her record, I don’t know. If we examine her besides other mayors or governors in the nation, I wonder how she would fair… True to heart, the opposition will thread facts together to fit their message. We both do it, it is a part of the game. Barry – Ayers, Palin and earmarks. The GOP wants to be reformers, the liberals want to give people hope. In either regard, I don’t see myself taking in the a$$ from the government any less.

Everyone can argue here till they are blue, or red in the face depending on their ventilation. It doesn’t matter, We could all be operatives for the different candidacies. We could all be one person posting under multiple names. We may have all made up our minds already. It’s all rather schizophrenic. Try talking about this with you neighbor and without google. I think that would be more enlightening.

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:45 pm 148. Max:

Good luck in the election, Taylor! You’re definitely going to need it! But you already know that, don’t you?

Sep 4, 2008 - 2:56 pm 149. WJO:

BMoon: There you go being all literal and unironic. Don’t you know that Obama wants to expand our consciousness while also ushering in a new age of community activism good government. I mean really, who doesn’t want a world that is as good a world as they have on the south side of Chicago?

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:08 pm 150. Jack Okie:

Schnargley:

Take heart! I think your parody just went over their heads. “Transmorphs”! Brilliant stuff. I can’t stop laughing. Dave II, Jay and others – you’ve been had.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:17 pm 151. Majorajam:

Marc,

That’s a political answer. I think people have been watching cable news so long that we’ve forgotten that tactics, PR and stagecraft are not the measure of our government leaders. That is rather those decisions and actions that they make, and how those bear on us personally, and collectively as a nation. On our ‘greatness’, or lack thereof. The people that have sat in the chairs that these people aspire to sit in include many of our nation’s heroes, and those who shaped the world we live in, whose competence, integrity and- yes- even (heaven forbid) intelligence and education made all the difference.

So you’ll have to excuse me if I do agree with Ms. Marsh that the degree to which Sarah Palin plays to the evangelicals of some rustbelt community in terminal decline (Rome burning?) is not what’s on my mind this afternoon. You’ll have to permit me the fanciful notion that the fact that Mrs. Palin didn’t ‘pay attention to the war in Iraq’- despite the fact that her son is in the military and will be sent into service there (!!!), despite the fact that as VP and according to actuarial tables, she is not unlikely to have to manage that war within a few birthdays of that remark- that this admission does not inspire confidence. That her refusal thus far and that of the like minded as well represented here, to defend her record and qualifications does not inspire confidence. That her being the leader of the free world in spite of the fact that she has seen none of it outside of this country (and a few of our military bases overseas) doesn’t inspire confidence. That her major accomplishments in office thus far amount largely to garnering pork for her home city and state does not inspire confidence. That she’s already stonewalling an ethics investigation before she goes to Washington to perfect her technique, doesn’t inspire confidence. I could go on (that she wanted to ban books!!!).

But that’s just me and I am clearly in the minority here on this celebrity obsessed board.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:36 pm 152. Chuck Pelto:

TO: cedarford
RE: Au Contraire, Mon Cher

Pelto – Go back to what I said about honesty.

Palin may use the guard for humanitarian, police action, relief work in disaster – but not military missions. — cedarford

As the constitution of the state of Colorado says the governor can apply the military force of the forces at their command, i.e., the Colorado National Guard, I suspect the Alaska constitution reads something similar.

That includes calling out the National Guard to perform military duties.

You don’t like that? Tough. It’s the truth. AND it’s the Law.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:43 pm 153. DeWayne:

Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them?

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:50 pm 154. DeWayne:

“Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them?”

The problem with liberals is that they truly believe they need organizers, politicians and handouts to survive.

You’ll never understand people like Sarah Palin, who pretty much always default to “screw it, I’ll do it myself”.

Come Nov.4th, we’ll let Obama know we don’t need his kind of “help”.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:53 pm 155. avoidswork:

Minority opinion, present.

DeWayne — I’m thinking no, and I’m thinking that taking a jab at community organizers does one significant one a great disservice. I presume in Alaska (or Eastern Russia since it’s so close and all) they have heard of Martin Luther King, Jr… Or at least one would hope they are aware of that man…

Here’s the bigger picture: Presidential candidates are McCain and Obama. Compare and contrast.

Sep 4, 2008 - 3:57 pm 156. Nomobama:

schnargley:

“Isn’t it true that Obama’s brain is so magnificently created that by merely thinking about an issue it gets resolved?”(WJO)

Well, part of the “change that we are that we have been hoping for,” is a literal evolutionary jump in thinking processes – this is what we are dealing with here, something those pathetic little neanderthalic flag-wavers of ther Old Amerika will never grasp. We are talking about meta-thinking, as opposed to narrow linear thinking of the past. Words take on new meanings. Logic is transmorphed into quantum transformations. Meanings become meaningless as the only absolute becomes that there are none.

Oh what’s the use? I now I am talking way above most of your heads….

Sep 4, 2008 – 9:47 am
================================================

May I suggest that you come down from whatever you’re on before you post? You just might make some sense.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:16 pm 157. DeWayne:

Of course, MLK didn’t offer hand-outs, and he didn’t have terrorist buddies fueling his campaigns.

MLK was a republican, and urged the simple equality that requires we judge by character, not color (or gender, one would presume).

In judging the character of Obama, I find a closet socialist who is attempting to equate the management of a campaign with real world, hard nosed experience. I find a man all too willing to bend to the winds of opinion, and completely devoid of any defining moment that gives me the confidence required to earn my vote.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:25 pm 158. Lorne:

Sarah is the real deal and the Dems know it. Let the games begin!!

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:26 pm 159. WJO:

Obama thinks he’s Gandhi, but, Gandhi had true courage, humility, leadership skills(walked the walk, literally), and national pride. Even Gandhi didn’t set out to “heal the planet” just to see justice done for his countrymen.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:27 pm 160. Nomobama:

Taylor,

Some pundits are comparing Sarah Palin’s speech as “Reaganesque”. Since you have admitted being a Reagan Democrat in the past, and you voted for Ronald Reagan twice, one would think that you would have appreciated the gem that is Sarah Palin.

Please go back to shilling for the Obama campaign. You might not be taken seriously for your political acumen, but you sure have a knack for political satire. I so like to chuckle.

Buh-bye now.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:30 pm 161. Chuck Pelto:

TO: cedarford
RE: About the Governor’s Authority….

….vis-a-vis the National Guard

Here in Colorado, especially here in Pueblo—home of CF&I steel—we’re VERY familiar with the ability of a governor to call upon the National Guard for military activities.

It is infamously known as the Ludlow Massacre. Also referred to as the Colorado Coalfield War. The National Guard, then referred to as the militia were called out for a civil disturbance.

But after they shot to death 20 coal miners and members of their families in an incident at Ludlow, Colorado, it turned into a full-scale insurrection. It was only stopped when President Woodrow Wilson sent in federal forces to stop both sides from shooting at each other.

All in all, it was a total fiasco. NO ONE, except for one lieutenant, was ever convicted of anything that wasn’t overturned. And all he got from his courts-martial was a reprimand; something akin to “Don’t let that happen again.”

The point here is that the state National Guard IS at the beck and call of the governor of the state for purposes good or evil. They can use their full military power, if the governor so wishes and they have the where with all to do it. [Note: It would be interesting to see if the local Mulitple-Launch Rocket System (MLRS) battery could get rounds in such a scenario. I suspect the federal government keeps such munitions under tight control.]

Regards.

Chuck(le)
P.S. I spent the latter part of military career addressing the use of the National Guard in scenarios of natural disasters and national emergencies at the state level. Where is your experience with such from?

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:31 pm 162. Nomobama:

Schnargley,

My apologies as I thought you were a genuine looney tune. I should have been able to recognize genuine snark, and very good snark at that.

Sep 4, 2008 - 4:37 pm 163. Marc:

Palindrome, er… Majorajam

Your points are the gist of the “collective” argument here. Invalidating Palin tends to invalidate Obama. Has she been to Iraq? Not really, she visited Kuwait in 2007, specifically, Alaskan National Guard troops. How does visiting any of our war-zones for a few days give people proper perspective? I don’t think it does, and that is why we have advisors and reports. I know I do it in my job, I read reports, interpret evidence, and make decisions. This is just a much larger and more nuanced scale, to put it mildly. An intelligent person with the right people around them should be able to pull it off. Aside from that, you open a door with the point that Palin and McCain have sons serving in a combat theater. Who better to make decisions? Biden does have a son that’s a Jag pilot, so I commend him on that. Regardless, we may already have agreements in place for troop withdrawal by the January in Iraq.

As to the ageism that runs rampant in some circles, I think it is simultaneously prudent and prejudiced. Obama can’t govern because he’s black, and they have higher rates of high-blood pressure and diabetes, he may have a stroke or heart attack while in office. Just doesn’t sound even-handed, does it? McCain’s mother is 95, and looks as spry as any person can be at that age. I give this point some leeway because it is wise to consider who may take the reigns. Truth be told, given enough time and motivation, you could paint anyone to be inadequate to be the leader of the free-world. So what? I think is says more about our culture, and the pessimism that began in the 60’s that has carried into our new century. The bane of the baby-boomers.

Furthermore, to be an armchair analyst of Palin’s career, and to belittle it to “garnering pork for her home city” is ignorant. It is as ignorant as assuming Barry’s career as a community organizer amounts to nil. We don’t know it all, we weren’t in their shoes. There is presumably much more at play than just being a senator, or being a governor and making decisions. So what are we left with? Policy stances, assumptions of character based upon a myopic media and what the politicians tell us. Frankly, I think we are over-stimulated to see the trees but for the forest.

Your truth is probably different than my truth. All we can do is vote, but at least a sh!tload of people really seem to care this time, I think there is progress in that.

Cheers.

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:20 pm 164. CoolCzech:

Oh, Sarah Barracuda (or should we say, Barakuda?) was SO mean to poor Obama! Cry me a RIVER. The SAME Mainstream Media that savaged Palin and her family – even went out of its way to humiliate her 17 year old daughter, for Pete’s Sake! – is NOW worried that poor little Obama might have had his itty bitty wittle feelings hurt? BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-ha-ha!

I wonder… when Chris Matthews was watching Sarah methodically disembowel his favorite candidate, did that tingly feeling running up his leg finally begin to subside?

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:54 pm 165. Fat Man:

“Does Sarah have a clue what community organizers do in cities across this country? Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them?”

DeWayne: Nobody knows what community organizers do. What do you mean “people can’t survive without them.”

Are they doctors? Do they deliver oxygen tanks to people with COPD? Soup to people who are in bed with the flu?

Sep 4, 2008 - 5:59 pm 166. wpb:

Hey Taylor: I looked up the online “Funk & Wagnalls” dictionary, and under the heading “pot calling the kettle black”, was your picture! The beauty queen one of course…after you’d won (you reminded us of that on Aug. 30th).
Speaking of snide remarks: is there a special brace you wear at night, so that when you wake up you can immediately begin talking out of both sides of your mouth? I thought I saw a vendor in Denver selling those….he’s probably a millionaire by now.

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:11 pm 167. vinman:

Palin hit a home run……Loved the line about saying one thing in Scranton and another in San Fran………..OUCH!

Sep 4, 2008 - 6:59 pm 168. Emily:

What a bunch of crap, Taylor. Sarah fought back just as she should have. I am glad she stuck it to those Ellen Clift, Maureen Dowd East Coast elist SNOBS who did not have the spine to stick up for MOTHER whose pregant teenager was being viciously attacked! What hypocrites. This is another Democrat is for McCain/PALIN! Go Get em Barracuda.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:23 pm 169. aloysiusmiller:

Taylor Marsh and Peggy Noonan — two gasbags.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:31 pm 170. judithod:

Are these candidates running for sainthood or for the offices of president and vice president? For Pete’s sake, criticism and responding to it has always been part of campaigns. Palin did what she had to do and did it well. Actually, believe the mainstream media have been guilty of the most groundless sniping and the worst partisanship.

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:32 pm 171. john from cinncinati:

snargley, i was waiting for the punch line. but in my small town mind i realized that you were serious, but meanings become meaningless and words have no value other than to show your superior intellect. i guess salt of the earth doesn’t mean anything either. that’s what a lot of people consider a complement. Sarah barracuda was throwing the smackdown last night. everyone is comparing R#2 to D#1. the way i see it is if the D’s diminish R#2, then they throw dirt on Jmcc’s thinking process, therefore indirectly attacking JMcc. if R#2 stands her ground then the assualt is repulsed and JMcc comes out looking like a genius. here’s a sports analogy for you. if the coach goes for it on 4th and short, and it gets stopped every one calls for his head. if he succeeds, he’s a genius. but for the moment no one gives a rats a$$ about the scout who helped draft the player. i for one don’t care about the scout but i’m sure glad we have the player on our team. when my team plays i hate the other teams, but sometimes you have to give the opponents mad props for the skills. i still hate when my team loses
MCCain/Palin /08

Sep 4, 2008 - 7:52 pm 172. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Majorajam
RE: Lipstick & Pit Bulls

I’ll humor you with a response. Pit bull with lip stick comes from Sarah Palin’s description of herself. — Majorajam

Ack tso.

Still and all, if you’re up to challenging her, I’d like to see you as a pit bull in drag.

My citing it was not an allusion to Sarah Palin’s appearance, which I’ve already heard more about than I ever cared to, and which I receive each new revelation from the media about like a fresh pin prick to the frontal lobe. — Majorajam

Get used to pain.

RE: Speaking from the Crowd

Let me spell it out to this crowd, since you’re clearly not an audience appreciative of subtlety.– Majorajam

I’m a firm believer in the KISS principle. So, please….Keep It Simple, Stupid

Either you think that some record of accomplishment is required to qualify you for the highest office in the land, or you don’t.– Majorajam

Actually, it’s a bit more complicated than that. This is entirely too ‘simple’. And, based on your earlier comments, you lead us down the prime-rose path to think you were intelligent. At least intelligent enough to realize that.

If you don’t, then shut your pie hole about what your extensive research, a.k.a. mental downloads from the GOP mothership, tell you about Barack Obama’s qualifications and experience. They don’t matter.– Majorajam

Well. Since we don’t…..

If, however, these attacks do not constitute mind bending cognitive dissonance, and you do agree these things are at least notionally pertinent, then it should be pointed out that AN ATTACK ON BARACK OBAMA’S CHARACTER OR RECORD DOES NOT CONSTITUTE A DEFENSE OF SARAH PALIN’S READINESS TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, something all readily admit is a qualification to be Vice President of the United States.– Majorajam

What a bunch of horse manure. As if ‘character’ doesn’t matter. I guess you approved of the actions of Mr. Bill as president, when he, without warning attacked Sudan and Afghanistan; just to distract the nation from his BJ girlfriend testifying before Congress.

And NOW we have Obama, a friend of a corrupt political-machine kingmakers (Rezko), an unrepentant terrorist (Ayers) and a hate-spewing racist (Wright).

And you think ‘character’ doesn’t count? Interesting.

As for Palin’s ‘readiness’ to be President of the United States, I think we’ve seen several good compare and contrast analyses of her ‘readiness’ vis-a-vis Obama’s. If you missed the one I linked to.

Then there’s the common sense aspect as well, vis-a-vis a state governor vs. a federal senator.

In just one capacity I’m more familiar with than a few others around these parts, the capacity of a governor as commander-in-chief. It’s certainly a far cry greater than that of a legislator.

Or maybe YOU could point out the units the Senator Obama has been ‘commander-in-chief’ of? How many general officers has he appointed to the highest grade in his state and had recognized by the federal government?

How many Patriot missile batteries is HE responsible for?

That is neither a partisan nor a controversial statement. It is fact here in the reality based community. And I should think that question might matter to you ostensibly civically minded ditto heads.– Majorajam

Actually, it’s both. How so? Well, for ‘controversial’, I think I’ve brought that out into the open with this communication.

As for ‘partisan’, your whole post is ‘partisan’.

RE: Rebuttal of Taylor Marsh

….will someone, anyone, offer anything remotely resembling a rebuttal of Taylor Marsh’s through takedown of the various rationales offered for Sarah Palin’s candidacy for Vice President? — Majorajam

Tomorrow. Perhaps….

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There is a truth and beauty in rhetoric; but it oftener serves ill turns than good ones. -- William Penn]

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:15 pm 173. Majorajam:

Yes yes, your truth my truth everywhere a truth truth. How can I put this delicately? That ham handed string of logical fallacies with a perfunctory relativist cherry on top would be the envy of legions of dung beetles.

No actually. The point is not that invalidating Sarah Palin tends to invalidate Barack Obama. The point is that using an attack on Barack Obama as a defense of Sarah Palin is a logical fallacy, and an obvious and inexcusable one at that. I think I even mentioned that explicitly in my last post… Oh yes! There it is. And since when are actuarial tables ageist? And you call yourself a conservative? No worries though, if you’re not going to take yourself seriously I don’t plan to either.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:18 pm 174. DeWayne:

Fat Man:

I was responding to an earlier post, which I can’t seem to find now. Upshot is, the assertion had been made that inner city people needed community organizers to survive.

My response was that the problem with liberals is that they really believe they need organizers, handouts and politicians to survive.

Then, someone said MLK was an organizer, hence my 2nd post, yada yada.

In truth, the organizers today no longer rally communities for their rights and freedoms. Now days, they rally for their “entitlements and gifts”, money from which typically end up in the coffers of a foundation, and rarely achieve anything like what they were supposed to.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:35 pm 175. DeWayne:

Regarding whether Sarah was “snide” or “sarcastic”, the liberals and the MSM can’t escape the fact that Americans like a smart ass, especially one who is replying to cowardly and irrelevant attacks like the ones leveled at her.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:38 pm 176. Chuck Pelto:

TO: CoolCzech
RE: Killer!

….Sarah Barracuda (or should we say, Barakuda?)…. — CoolCzech

Now all we need is a killer graphic to go along with it and we’ll have a WONDERFUL bumper sticker.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Then we could play Heart’s Barracuda REAL loud while cruising down the street….

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:46 pm 177. fred ericson:

Like most predators, Barracudas eat their own young. Sarah may not go that far, bet she and McCain certainly do not mind using her minor pregnant daughter as a POLITICAL TOOL.
Can’t her husband hold a baby? Is her daughter the only one capable of holding her moms baby? McCain Palin are so proud of her daughters baby. SO proud when they introduced her in OHIO they had her pregnant daughter cover her pregantcy up with a huge blanket and had her hold a baby like a sheild..
With an added plus of having the photo op of her young daughter holding a baby without actally dropping it.
A total political tool. Palin should be ashamed.

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:47 pm 178. DeWayne:

Fat Man:

I was quoting Taylor’s article, and responded to it in my second post

Sep 4, 2008 - 8:54 pm 179. Egfrow:

fred ericson,

Man you are a jackass! It was you Liberals that attacked her daughter and Child first. You are the ones that made them into props by going after her family like Mafia Thugs. You are a joke and your ilk have no ability at all to stand on substance or issues. You never cease to fall back on personal attacks of innocent family members. Fear not. Your would views will be rocked and all the Libs like you will be needing to therapy again by the end of November.

Sep 4, 2008 - 11:24 pm 180. sbourg:

To Taylor Marsh: Once you highlight your dislike for SPalin’s speech with subtitle “snide and sarcastic remarks”……..but then your 3rd sentence is more snide and sarcastic than anything SPalin said, you completely ruin any credibility you MIGHT have in the text of your article. This was completely idiotic Taylor. Who could take you seriously, except your peer-group Obama kool-aid drinkers? SPalin’s speech had humor involved with her critiques of Obama. It’s not snide OR sarcastic to say that “community organizer” involves no real responsibilities, no reporting to superiors about tasks accomplished………”community organizer” basically means community rabblerouser, agitator, sucking=up to people to eventually get their vote. Obama’s spokesmen still can’t explain even after they were lambasted by SPalin. This was not snide or sarcastic. It was a clear-cut criticism…………and it was TRUE.

Sep 5, 2008 - 4:44 am 181. Marc:

Majorajam

What sort of hubris does it take to come to a blog where you know you don’t fit in, but post your vomit here anyway? You, and any other liberal poster here fit the tired definition of insanity. Maybe you are a cutter too, have some Zoloft, it helps with impulse control.

Actuary tables, do they have columns for surviving a POW camp, or fortitude? Get over yourself! Why don’t we talk about those tables in relation to Barry, wait you never objected to African Americans predisposition to hypertension, or diabetes, or violent crime. If you want to be concrete, go ahead. I think giving people the benefit of the doubt might be the right thing to do… I mean, I’m just bringing up statistical facts, that doesn’t make my assumptions wrong, does it? Uhhhhh

Good luck on another day of hitting your head against the wall, it must not hurt anymore from the pricking on your front lobe. We could take care of that though, by perhaps, removing it through your nose.

Sep 5, 2008 - 4:58 am 182. Ed Wallis:

A fine refutation to this … err … “article”:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obamas_tattletale_ca mpaign_is.html

Sep 5, 2008 - 5:37 am 183. Peg C.:

To Taylor Marsh,

As a former lifelong Democrat, I say Democrats have no one to blame but themselves. Had they nominated a candidate qualified for the presidency, none of this would have happened, McCain probably would have chosen Lieberman or someone nearly as likely to further demoralize the conservative base (which is what the Dems and MSM wanted and needed) and the Dems would have won this going away. Now they are squealing like little girlie men and every bit of this is their own doing. Of course, don’t ask me who in the Dem party is qualified and deserving of the presidency. I see no one. The party is run by Hate America loons and the “good guys” are investigated by the fever swamp lefty blogs and moveon.org for impersonating Republicans.

Hoist by your own petards, chickennnnss coming home to rooooossssttttt.

Sep 5, 2008 - 5:47 am 184. Ed Wallis:

reposted to reflect full URL:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/obamas_tattletale_campaign_is.html

Sep 5, 2008 - 6:11 am 185. Majorajam:

I get it Marc, so you’re willing to warrant McCain’s mortality risk based on factors you’ve identified and robustly estimated in your colon, and on that basis the American electorate should throw out the work of those egghead actuaries, (together with the work of the egghead scientists who ‘believe’ in ‘evolution’ and ‘anthropogenic global warming’), whose reliance on ‘assumptions’ shows they don’t know squat, not to mention are ageist. But I do love the black people’s predisposition to hypertension bit- the red herring stuff is so ubiquitous with you people it’s almost an involuntary response.

I’m through with you now Sagan. You can go back to sheltering your inferior intellect in the safety of numbers.

Sep 5, 2008 - 6:28 am 186. schnargley:

“Of course, don’t ask me who in the Dem party is qualified and deserving of the presidency. I see no one.” (Peg C.)

Well, at this point, Harry Reid stands out as one of our most outstanding and impressive leaders. But Obama has the avatar-aura thingy going for him, it is stronger onhim than on Harry, which gives him an edge, plus he’s black.

Sep 5, 2008 - 7:45 am 187. schnargley:

“May I suggest that you come down from whatever you’re on before you post? You just might make some sense.” (Nobama)

The only thing I was “on” at my moment of inspiration was the crapper. (My best ideas happen there.) I don’t start bonging till 11 in the morning.

Sep 5, 2008 - 7:51 am 188. fred ericson:

T0 Egfrow.
You’ve know this woman four whole days. Now she’s the second coming of Reagan. The republicans were so glad they could crawl out of fossil world finally. By the way as far as the economy goes what did McBush or failin lay out for us Americans? All I heard from her was snide scarcazim and from him I heard jusy yet another redundant recount of what a fine POW he made.
Neither of them said what they were going to do for our country as a whole. Except mayby skin a moose.

Sep 5, 2008 - 8:09 am 189. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Taylor Marsh
RE: A Fisking

Sarah Palin made her party proud last night in [1] a speech that delivered her to star status. It took twenty-four years to catch up, but the Republican Party finally nominated someone nationally who isn’t a white guy. Congratulations on joining the 20th century. — Taylor Marsh

Thanks for the condescending speech, Taylor.

She just should have delivered it without the condescension, sarcasm and snide remarks. — Taylor Marsh

You mean like you delivered YOUR remarks on August 30, 2008? Or that you did in your first paragraph of this latest?

Then there was the small town vs. civic pride, which always seems to [2] raise that divide when Republicans are involved. Palin mocking Obama’s community organizing activist roots. — Taylor Marsh

Activists like ACORN? I think I mentioned their corrupt ilk elsewhere.

Does Sarah have a clue [3] what community organizers do in cities across this country? — Taylor Marsh

Again, as I said above, too many of these groups are not a benefit to society. They are a bane.

Especially in inner city neighborhoods, whose people can’t survive without them? That was just the beginning of Sarah’s snidely smackdowns. — Taylor Marsh

To most rational people, they don’t stay where they can’t survive. But as I’ve seen, the Democrats thrive on those who can’t survive without them. And THAT is their political base. Indeed, as I witness it, it is their new form of slavery.

As the slaves of the Democrats of the mid-1800s were unable to survive without THEIR masters, who controlled them with chains and whips. These modern slaves are unable to survive with these new masters. But the new controlling measures are not physical. Instead they are psychological; shoddy educations and welfare doles.

Then there was the, well, let’s just call it cutting hyperbole. — Taylor Marsh

Hyperbole? Interesting claim that. As it is the stock and trade of a lot of the people who are whining or decrying Palin. More on that later in this fisking.

The AP began compiling what is [4] likely to be a long list:

PALIN: “There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it’s easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform – not even in the state senate.” — Taylor Marsh

FACT: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation. — Taylor Marsh

You are not answering Palin’s complaint. Instead you are side-stepping that complaint and pointing to something that, albeit nice, is completely non sequitur. So WHAT if he can work with Republicans. Or that he supported a particular bill. The comment was that he hasn’t authored any bills in all his time in legislatures; state and federal.

This is not a rebuttal. It’s obfuscation.

And by the way, since when is citing a fact, ‘hyperbole’? Rather, the AP’s and by redirection YOUR comment comes closer to hyperbole. But more of that later.

But there was good news too. Republican elites can relax, while the conservative base basks in the babe who takes the senior out of the senator.– Taylor Marsh

Snide remarks, anyone?

McCain’s hail Mary Palin can deliver a speech.– Taylor Marsh

How about some sarcasm?

We’re talking SERIOUS projection here, people. And, by the way, none of what Taylor Marsh has said here, so far, has any significance on who is the better candidate to hold the office of the PRESIDENT. Has anyone else noticed that Obama, or at least his Dimocrat supporters, are no longer afraid of McCain. No. Instead they are hysterically afraid of Palin.

No, strike that. She can deliver two speeches. – Taylor Marsh

More sarcasm, playing off of the fact that the only thing we’ve ever seen Senator Obama do well is deliver a speech….WITH a tele-a-prompter.

The beginning was a brisk tour of things surrounding her life, which unfolded quickly. Then came the other part of the speech, which was concocted by some Bush speechwriter for some unknown vice presidential nominee who would stand in and deliver.– Taylor Marsh

As IF….Obama writes his own speeches. Eh?

I truly look forward to the debates, a la the one held by that minister earlier this Summer.

I believe the scoring heavily favored McCain over Obama.

She sounded like Patrick J. Buchanan in a dress.. er skirt. Great for the rank and file, which needed a shot and got it.– Taylor Marsh

More sarcastic and snide remarks.

Not so good for everyone else. Especially voters who sent a message during the primary season that they’re not exactly in the mood for partisan sarcasm, even when delivered with a smile. — Taylor Marsh

Looks good for everyone else from MY perspective. However, if you think people don’t care for such, why do you keep using it?

Now for the bad news. — Taylor Marsh

OOOoooooo….. Scary stuff…..

It’s no wonder Sarah targeted the press, because since McCain sprung her on the public we’ve been scurrying for facts.– Taylor Marsh

Can’t handle sudden changes? Eh? So instead of looking for facts and bidding their time, they did a knee-jerk reaction and grabbing at any straw they could to come up with your sort of ‘journalism’. 

Interesting. I see it as panic. On YOUR sides part.

Oh, and [5] digging up the truth, even as the McCain campaign plans on hiding Sarah from any hard interview scrutiny. Because the facts don’t help Mrs. Palin, which is likely why she stayed away from them last night, offering some easily rebutted rhetoric. — Taylor Marsh

Based on what I read at Drudge right now, Oprah is afraid to have Palin on her show. I think you’re typical ‘logic’ is bass-ackwards. If it were as you say, Oprah would have her up for public pillory. But she apparently won’t.

Why is that? Probably because, having learned facts better than you do, she realizes that having Palin on her popular show would educate the general public how good she is.

Reformer is just a label Palin picked up for political purposes. [6] McCain targeted Sarah Palin’s “objectionable” earmarks long before he ever tapped her for veep. — Taylor Marsh

Yeah? And it’s a ‘what’ for Obama? Hypocrite.

“So while Sen. McCain was going after cutting earmarks in Washington,” said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, “Gov. Palin was going after getting earmarks.” — Taylor Marsh

I trust Ellis as far as I can throw him. Which isn’t very far. And your credibility is considerably less than his.

Palin even boasted about her earmarks, saying [7] “We did well!!!” Oh, and “FYI This does not include our nearly one million Dollars from the Feds for our Airport Paving Project,” [8] Sarah continued. — Taylor Marsh

There’s something of a difference between paving an airport and a bridge to no-where.

Don’t you think? Well….

On another note, as [9] McClatchy reported last Friday, trying to prove she can handle the job of presidency, Palin pushed her National Guard leadership role. It was pure fantasy, which was driven home by Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell who is in charge out there: — Taylor Marsh

Yeah. Right.

Tell me, woman. How much time have you done in the military? Any of it working with State Area Commands (STARCs)? The state general staff for their National Guard?

I did a LOT of time working with them. And, based on what I’ve seen from you….you don’t know Jack S—. And Jack has left town.

“Can you tell me one decision that she made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard?” CNN journalist Campbell Brown asked Monday while interviewing McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds. “Just one?” — Taylor Marsh

First off? Appointment of the Alaskan State Adjutant General. The senior most military officer in the Alaskan National Guard. A flag-grade officer recognized by the federal government.

Secondly? Approval of the budget for procurements and operations of the Alaskan National Guard.

Thirdly? Responsibility for the readiness and performance of the Alaskan National Guard.

Admittedly, ALL state governors are responsible for such. Unfortunately, all too many governors take these responsibilities too lightly. As a case in point, I point out former Governor Kathleen Blanco (D-LA) vis-a-vis Hurricane Katrina meets New Orleans. Only an idiot would send their primary National Guard formation, the 256th Independent Brigade (Mechanized) out of the country during the period of time when they would most likely be needed. But that’s what she did. They were off in Iraq when Katrina stormed ashore.

Idiots. I tellz ya. Complete idiots.

Bounds couldn’t, because Palin has never personally ordered the state guard to do anything. — Taylor Marsh

I can’t help it if Bounds is ignorant. But I’ll bet he’s not ‘stupid’, like some people I know around here.

…the governor has no command authority overseas or anywhere in the United States other than Alaska, said Maj. Gen. Craig Campbell, the service commander of the Alaska National Guard. — Taylor Marsh

Nor does any other governor have ANY command authority outside the boundaries of THEIR respective state. Ronald Reagan didn’t have any authority outside of California.

And you consider this a damning statement? The TRUTH???!?!?!!

Sheesh!!!!! I mean we’re talking REAL ‘stupid’ here.

Then there’s that “Bridge to Nowhere” fabrication, which she offered up again last night, but was first [10] hoisted on an unsuspecting public last Friday: — Taylor Marsh

Interesting.

While running for governor in 2006, though, Palin backed federal funding for the infamous bridge, which McCain helped make a symbol of pork barrel excess. — USA Today article

But for some reason, it lacks the sort of detail I would expect to support the allegation. Where, When and How are missing from this statement. And, of late, especially after listening to an NBC talking head tell an outright LIE on television the other night, I don’t care for statements of this sort from the so-called major media without supporting evidence. And your use of such is just an example of a truism I learned from Ben Franklin….

One person tells a lie and a thousand repeat it as the truth.

If you’ve got supporting evidence, please bring it out. Otherwise, you’re no better than another ‘nick’ around here.

“I told Congress, ‘Thanks, but no thanks,’ on that bridge to nowhere,” Palin said Friday in Ohio, using the critics’ dismissive name of the project. “‘If our state wanted a bridge,’ I said, ‘we’d build it ourselves.’” — Taylor Marsh

Good for them. If they’ve got the money. I know how much bridges cost.

Palin might just redefine “reformer.” — Taylor Marsh

Could be. And likely for the better. At least ‘reformer’ is a more concise term than ‘changer’. Change can be MANY things. Half of which are bad. Whereas ‘reformer’ implies for the better.

But none of this matters to Republicans. They have their Republican Red Bull, as Rev. Richard Land said. They’ve also got Sarah Palin religion. — Taylor Marsh

Bull pucky. You’re projecting again.

It remains to be seen whether the throwback snidely sarcasm of Sarah’s speech last night will reach beyond the Republican base, which is the only way McCain can win. — Taylor Marsh

There you go with snide and sarcastic remarks.

The good news on that front is that Palin is very attractive and can perform with the best of them and she’s becoming a political rock star the GOP hasn’t had in a very long time. She’ll draw thousands across the country. She’s now the one everyone will want to see. — Taylor Marsh

Sexist! And hypocritical at that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Prevaricator: A liar in the larval form.]

Sep 5, 2008 - 8:30 am 190. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Majorajam
RE: Missing the ‘Point’?

The point is that using an attack on Barack Obama as a defense of Sarah Palin is a logical fallacy, and an obvious and inexcusable one at that. I — Majorajam

I addressed that.

You don’t like it? Sounds like a personal problem.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The field behind rhetoric is oft mind with equivocation.]

Sep 5, 2008 - 8:35 am 191. fred ericson:

McBush failin — to late in o8.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:01 am 192. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. The best defense is a good offense. — Military axiom that applies to politics as well.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:23 am 193. Dark Helmet:

*** get used… to the pain ***

Eventually it will set you free or cause you to explode since your head is blocking your colon.

My compliments Sir.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:27 am 194. Tina Trent:

I was a community organizer for quite some time, with good intentions but a critical mind, so I have to say that I find the notion that “poor communities can’t survive without them” bluntly risible.

I never saw one single program implemented under the flag “community organizing” that did anything but line the pockets of some very sleazy race-baiters-cum-politicians — at considerable expense to both taxpayers and the poor themselves.

CO comes in several flavors: “welfare rights” campaigns that pay salaries to people for promoting dysfunctional families, economic and sexual irresponsibility, cop-bashing agendas and permanent dependency; “economic redevelopment” programs that almost always consist of somebody’s pastor getting paid tons of money to set up “job training” or “tutoring” programs that don’t really exist; “neighborhood redevelopment” scams that provide free money — block grant kickbacks and massive tax breaks for politically-connected developers who are supposed to be creating affordable housing but usually end up just pocketing public funds or triple-dipping them and leave neighborhoods in worse shape (see Obama’s foray into said); and finally, overtly ideological programming that has no place whatsoever on the public dime, from “Afrocentric” “education/self-esteem” scams to “rap video production for ex-felon” grants and other “prisoner outreach” (I was asked to help whitewash one of those) to inappropriate funding of (usually fake or exaggerated) voter registration drives and gold-plated “health outreach” programs that do nothing useful at all at great cost.

If you believe any of this tripe does anything but enrich people who want to, say, leapfrog into politics by building a base of community supporters who will get out the vote for them because they’re on the payroll of one of these boondoggles, then, sorry, you’re naive.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:54 am 195. David E:

Good article, especially considering the venue it’s in. I got a good laugh as I scrolled through the comments here. You guys are great at dishing it out, but if anyone criticizes your guy (or gal), watch out!

I’m not planning to vote for McCain, although I have great respect for him. I have no respect, though, for Palin after seeing how nasty she was in her attacks. She’d be better off running with Rudy.

Sep 5, 2008 - 11:29 am 196. DeWayne:

schnargley said:

“Of course, don’t ask me who in the Dem party is qualified and deserving of the presidency. I see no one.” (Peg C.)

Well, at this point, Harry Reid stands out as one of our most outstanding and impressive leaders. But Obama has the avatar-aura thingy going for him, it is stronger onhim than on Harry, which gives him an edge, plus he’s black.”

Reid is the best you got?? God help you! And you guys picked Obama because he plays better? What does that say about liberal concern for the country?

Sep 5, 2008 - 11:31 am 197. Chuck Pelto:

TO: David E.
RE: You….

You guys are great at dishing it out, but if anyone criticizes your guy (or gal), watch out! — David E.

….are apparently rather ‘ignorant’.

You should participate more here to understand who ‘dishes’ what around these parts.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Ignorance is when you don't know something. Stupidity is ignorance with pride.]

Sep 5, 2008 - 11:47 am 198. Chuck Pelto:

TO: David E.
RE: Speaking of ‘Nasty’

I have no respect, though, for Palin after seeing how nasty she was in her attacks. — David E.

So. Now what Palin said was ‘nasty’. Interesting. Are you going to call her a ’slut’ like nick did?

I suspect you’re projecting your own nature when you said that. And that nature is akin to nick’s.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Projection, imparting unto others what you do yourself.]

Sep 5, 2008 - 11:50 am 199. Nomobama:

Taylor Marsh should not be given a forum on this blog. I used to comment on her site, but she has basically kicked every anti-Obama poster off her site. Why should she be allowed to post here? Her dribble is mainly her opinion masked as fact. She is typical of many of the left leaning blogs. She’s nasty in more ways than one.

Sep 5, 2008 - 1:05 pm 200. Fat Man:

DeWayne: My appolgies. Taylor Consider yourself lambasted by post Sep 4, 2008 – 5:59 pm.

Tina Trent: Thank you for your post, Sep 5, 2008 – 9:54 am. A real explanation of community organizing. It is worse than I thought.

Sep 5, 2008 - 1:38 pm 201. Jim:

Sarah Palin give Obama a right cross and knocked him down…

I noticed one thing about this woman..She’s short and sassy and knows how to play with the big boys and give them a run for their money..

Sarah Palin..
ONE TOP BARRACUDA..

Sep 5, 2008 - 1:49 pm 202. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Nomobama
RE: [OT] Taylor Marsh’s Reason to be Heard

Taylor Marsh should not be given a forum on this blog. — Nomobama

I disagree. She is one of the few ‘liberals’ with the courage to show up here. And the PJM goal is to provide balance. Balance that a lot of her comrades-in-politics are unwilling to accommodate.

So, after a fashion, she is something of a jewel in their barrens.

RE: [OT] Those Who Would ‘Kill’

I used to comment on her site, but she has basically kicked every anti-Obama poster off her site. Why should she be allowed to post here? — Nomobama

Don’t feel like the ‘lone ranger’ about that. I’ve been killed by a number of bloggers. For doing nothing more….nor anything less….than what I’ve been doing here.

The ‘funny’, as in ‘heh’ as opposed to ‘ha-ha’, think is that the so-called ‘conservatives’ can do it as readily as the so-called ‘liberals’. Heck Charles ‘Little Green Footballs’ Johnson has ‘killed’ me from his blog. And the reason is I’m more a Christian than he cares for. AND more effective a ‘fisker’ and debater when it comes to issues therein.

The most prominent factor in the bloggers who will no longer allow me to comment on their blogs is that THEY all seem to be atheists, or at least not really Christians. That includes the likes of Rachel Lucas and Amy Alkon. All those ‘killings’ revolved around discussions of their ignorance about Christianity.

RE: Dribble Me This

Her dribble is mainly her opinion masked as fact. She is typical of many of the left leaning blogs. She’s nasty in more ways than one. — Nomobama

True. But as long as we can point that out…..

…..maybe someone here—even the likes of ‘nick’—may learn something that in later life will change their heart. And not just ‘nick’. Someone else, who lurking on the sidelines, notices a thread of logic that they had neither seen nor comprehended before.

So. Don’t damn them. Look upon them as opportunities. And put your frustrations aside. From the Christian perspective, I give mine to Christ. He’s more than capable of dealing with such. And being freed of such a burden, I’m more capable of dueling with the likes of Taylor and nick and Majorajam.

Peace,

Chuck(le)
[A clash of doctrines is not a disaster. It’s an opportunity.]

P.S. To teach and to learn.

Sep 5, 2008 - 2:54 pm 203. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Fat Man
RE: Tina Trent’s Experience with Community Organizing

Tina Trent: Thank you for your post, Sep 5, 2008 – 9:54 am. A real explanation of community organizing. It is worse than I thought. — Fat Man

Whereas I had a ‘funny feeling’ about some of these activities, I had not realized the depth of the problem.

She provides an interesting report that correlates with the experiences we had here in the 2006 General Election and the ‘seminars’ put on by the Colorado Progressive Coalition.

Personally?

I’m something of a Community Organizer. But we have no money, to speak of. All we have is a will to change the way the government is doing certain things. One of which, a few years ago, was to for the city to put itself above its own law.

We succeeded there.

This year, it’s a return of the televised ‘public forum’, which last year, the City decided to cancel after too many people were asking too pointy a questions of them during television City Council meetings.

So far….so good. It goes before the voters this November, as the City Council failed to act on it when the successful ballot initiative petition drive was put before them late last month.

From my perspective, Community Organization is important. But, based on Tina’s report, it seems to me that the touch of ‘gold’ tends to corrupt it. [Note: Why am I suddenly reminded of what happened to early Christianity when the Roman Emperor recognized it as the ‘state religion’?]

Let alone the aspect of ‘political ambition’. Fortunately, for me, I’m more a commander than I am a politician. And most people won’t vote for someone like me in public office. Thank God…..

Bottom line…..

….Community Organization IS vital to every community. The problems seem to arise when people are more interested in the money therefrom as opposed to the objectives thereof.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[No man can serve two masters. He will either hate the one and love the other. Or he will love the one and hate the other.

A man can serve only ONE master; righteousness or mammon. -- some Wag, around 2000 years ago]

Sep 5, 2008 - 3:13 pm 204. JFSanders:

Ms.Taylor, The tripe you write couldn’t make the cut in a 8th grade essay contest. UTTER drivel.

Jim

Sep 5, 2008 - 3:30 pm 205. Chuck Pelto:

TO: JFSanders
RE: Uuuuuuuuhhhh….

Ms.Taylor, The tripe you write couldn’t make the cut in a 8th grade essay contest. UTTER drivel. — JFSanders

….when was the last time you had a SERIOUS look at the vaunted American public education system?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Educations USED TO replace an empty mind with an open one.

NOT ANY MORE!]

Sep 5, 2008 - 3:47 pm 206. Fat Man:

Chuck Pelto: Good for you. Tina was talking about the kind of organizing that Nøbama did on the South Side of Chicago with his buddies Rezko, Wright and Ayers.

Sep 5, 2008 - 5:55 pm 207. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Fat Man, et al.
RE: Funny Think….

…but I’m reminded of the collapse of the Roman Republic by this years election process.

Mostly because of the egregious name-calling by the so-called ‘liberals’. Seems to me that I read something about how the ‘election debate’ back then deteriorated to mere name-calling and lies. And because of that, the rise of the ‘dictators’, a.k.a. emperors came to be.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Sep 5, 2008 - 6:05 pm 208. nick:

Snide is what it was

she has no grace

bu I find that a lot in women who screw around before marriage and give a great example to children

Sep 5, 2008 - 6:47 pm 209. ThomasJ:

Ms. Smith Goes To Washington.

Sep 5, 2008 - 9:10 pm 210. Sarahamerica:

She’ll make a great president, so long as you don’t care about the planet, minorities, education, women’s rights, or humankind.

Yes we McCain’t!

Sep 6, 2008 - 1:38 am 211. Ed Wallis:

Oh, “SarahAmerica,” I FEEL YOUR PAIN…

Have you gotten yourself fitted yet for your niqab (http://www.desertstore.com/pages/abaya-jilbab.html) and full-body coverage?!

Ahh…”tolerance”…yessssss….you “care” so much…

Sep 6, 2008 - 2:41 am 212. SAF:

Those of you who are Obama supporters have a thin skin when it comes to his lack of experience. I can appreciate people wanting the republicans out, they have done a poor job in many ways.

And I can see the appeal in Obama. But don’t delude yourselves into thinking he has new ideas, he doesn’t. Tax the rich and spend more is not new. High energy prices and lets conserve our way out of the energy mess is not new.

And he has no experience running anything, that’s his resume.

So if you vote for him he will take America way left. If that’s what you want he is sure to deliver. And that’s an OK reason to vote for him. But please spare the rest of us on this new nonsense and that he has the experience. Neither is true.

Sep 6, 2008 - 7:07 am 213. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: nick the ___________ (fill in the blank)

she has no grace — nick</blockquote

Well….

….at least he’s not calling her a ’slut’ again, as he has elsewhere on this blog.

Maybe he’s coming down from some binge. We can only hope.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. His claim that she has ‘no grace’ is just another exmaple of his projecting his own problems on others. After all, who, with any sense of ‘grace’ would call some a ’slut’?

Sep 6, 2008 - 7:51 am 214. Chuckles the Clown:

wow, it’s almost impossible to tell you are in the bag for Obama! Opinions are like .ssholes, eveybody has one, some larger than others!

Sep 6, 2008 - 9:09 am 215. Steve Bourg:

Chuck: Your Sept 5, 8:30 am posting — WHAT an amazingly complete vivisection you gave to Taylor Marsh’s “brain” — at least I think we should assume she has a brain, manifested by her written article that attempted to take down Palin. I gotta hand it to you Chuck……..it takes ALOT of patience to read and type a rebuttal to Marsh’s nonsensical, or non-supported opinions. It’s very admirable that you took the time to do it. I also noticed the hypocrisy in her 3rd sentence where she started her string of many sarcastic comments. It really made it tough to read the rest of her tripe. But,even a quick speed-reading showed its fatuousness……it’s almost a game to notice how many non-sequiturs, exaggerations, incorrect statements, contradictions, etcetera…………but the saddest thing of all — is that you (I) just KNOW that Taylor Marsh certainly thinks she’s intelligent, and that she’s written a pretty “tight” refutation of Palin’s speech. That’s really the saddest part of all. It’s truly a case of the Bush-Derangement-Syndrome folks simply can’t see the forest for the trees. When Palin said things like: “Government’s too big but Obama wants to make it bigger……taxes are too high but Obama……..”…….this is not just 100% factually correct, it’s also an UNDERSTATEMENT of Obama’s modus operandi………..and it will absolutely turn our economy into a semi-socialist mess, like Europe. This is, along with producing more of our own energy and keeping our military strong and protective of the democracies that the Jihadists want to destroy…….one of the three main issues of our time. I wish McCain had given a better speech to expand these issues into a more direct head-on attack against Obama’s nonsense…………but at least I have the common sense to know that Palin and McCain understand these issues. Taylor Marsh and her ilk and the MSM, have absolutely NO CLUE what our country must do in the next 4 years. Anyway, great job eviscerating Marsh’s statements article. It’s a shame that so many people “think” the way she does.

Sep 6, 2008 - 11:54 am 216. geokstr:

Couple things:

Community organizers – how exactly and how much do they get paid, and by whom, and from whom do they take their marching orders? We aren’t supposed to seriously believe that The One did this for several years for free, are we? I hope (but would not bet against it) that he did not receive his remuneration the same way the ulimate community organizers, Jackson and Sharpton, do, by extorting it from governments and corporations via threats of boycotts, pickets, legal actions and riots.

Personally, I was hoping Palin, or somebody at that convention anyway, would have been a lot more direct with the sarcasm. Someone who would name names – Olberman, Matthews, Couric, Brown, etc, et al, ad nauseum, and call them out in public for a change, loudly, as being totally biased lefties in the tank for the Messiah, and not the objective journalists they pose as.

We conservatives are always playing nice, being genteel, acting like ladies and gentlemen, while the left is allowed to go unanswered in their fanatacism, and act like it’s us that are the bad guys. They can lie, cheat and steal, and they get away with it only because our side lets them.

Screw that.

Sep 6, 2008 - 11:57 am 217. Ed Wallis:

“geokstr” said:

“Personally, I was hoping Palin, or somebody at that convention anyway, would have been a lot more direct with the sarcasm. Someone who would name names – Olberman, Matthews, Couric, Brown, etc, et al, ad nauseum, and call them out in public for a change, loudly, as being totally biased lefties in the tank for the Messiah, and not the objective journalists they pose as.”

…and also said, “We conservatives are always playing nice, being genteel, acting like ladies and gentlemen, while the left is allowed to go unanswered in their fanatacism, and act like it’s us that are the bad guys. They can lie, cheat and steal, and they get away with it only because our side lets them.”

Those media names you mention DO NOT DESERVE the time of day NOR the notoriety of having their names “named” in such a venue. I don’t think conservatives are being too nice or genteel, but rather tactically smart. That is to say, 1) give ‘em enough rope and…, and 2) you have to know when to pull your punches and when to give ‘em the ol’ one-two in the kisser….

Sep 6, 2008 - 12:38 pm 218. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Steve Bourg
RE: Compliments

Thanks for the kind review.

However, rather than a vivisectional approach, I was hoping more for an exorcismatic result.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[If you don't pay your exorcist, you get repossessed.]

Sep 6, 2008 - 4:18 pm 219. Steve Bourg:

We’ll know if your “exorcism” worked if Taylor Marsh writes an article for PJM in the near future that actually shows an understanding of the major issues of our time…….and realizes what a freaking disaster Obama with a Democrat Congress would be. Sadly, you and I made a good effort to “turn her around”, but I think we know it’s hopeless………….can’t teach an old dog new tricks. But that’s a little harsh to the dogs out there…….man’s best friend. Sincerely, Steve Bourg, Ellicott City, MD

Sep 6, 2008 - 7:18 pm 220. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Steve Bourg
RE: Teaching Taylor

Sadly, you and I made a good effort to “turn her around”, but I think we know it’s hopeless………….can’t teach an old dog new tricks. — Steve Bourg

True. True. And leopards can’t change their spots. But as my Father would put it…

You can lead a w____ to culture but you can’t make her think. — Dad

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[She thinks by infection, catching an opinion like most people catch a cold.]

Sep 6, 2008 - 9:43 pm 221. Dark Helmet:

Hey,

Are you used to the pain yet?

Keep trying to discredit Palin, it won’t hurt less!

Bwa hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha Sniff…

Sep 7, 2008 - 2:06 pm 222. borst:

What’s with McCain and the former beauty pageant winners? End-life crisis much?

Sep 7, 2008 - 4:19 pm 223. Javelin:

Ed Wallis,
meanwhile the right wing big mouths that saps like you believe in like Santa Claus, since you are such children, treat Democrats far worse than Palin got treated. You are really a sap. The Republicans know that people like you are incapable of rational, logical balanced thinking so you would run to save her “honor” like some bar room jerk fighting over some some broad. Rush Limbo said her critics are enemies of God, and people like you, with no critical thinking skills cause you are too dense to see in color, lap that up like dumb puppies.

Sep 7, 2008 - 9:42 pm 224. Ed Wallis:

WOW, “Jav”! THANKS!

I had NO IDEA you had such a way with words!

Now, THAT’S “Leftist Logic” for you!

How can I EVER thank you? Oh yes…

PPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sep 8, 2008 - 4:19 am 225. Dark Helmet:

It’s not a javelin Ed, it’s a toothpick…. barely.

Sep 8, 2008 - 6:52 am 226. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Ed Wallis
RE: [OT] Heh

PPPPPHHHHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!! — Ed Wallis

I work with the guy who was the inspiration for Bill the Cat. And, indeed, he does look like him, in a business suit.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. He claims he was one of Berkley Breathed’s professors.

Sep 8, 2008 - 7:36 am 227. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Javelin Projection

Notice the smooth flow and building of the logical case in his comment of Sep 7, 2008 – 9:42 pm.

The choice of the precise words elaborately woven into the tapestry of arguments that blankets the opposition.

Clearly, a mark of distinction from his education that will cause him to stand out from all the rest.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Used to be that education replaced an empty one with an open one. Javelin is proof that such an ideal no longer applies in the vaunted American public education system.

Sep 8, 2008 - 7:45 am 228. Nomo:

Evidently, Taylor Marsh has the capability here to block comments to her posts on this site. If this happens to you, just change your name and email address, and whallah, I am able to post again, albeit with moderation.

Evidently Taylor believes that she can spread her pap throughout the blogosphere, but feels that those of us who disagree with her should not be afforded that same right. I am a moderate Democrat who feels that it is necessary to confront the leftists among us, and however I need to do it, I will be heard. As for you Taylor, you have shown your true colors, and baby, you sure don’t look good in them. You may have “won” you beauty contest, but you certainly have not won the contest of ideas.

Sep 8, 2008 - 10:25 am 229. Dark Helmet:

nomo,

Have you read about 99% of the replies slamming her? You can go after her for what she writes, but you can not touch her in regards to being willing to allow opposing and what are often, insults expressed as points of view.

Be gracious to your host, congeniality was after all, part of her beauty contest training. I would say she at least placed and has shown more here than quite a few posters, myself included.

Sep 8, 2008 - 11:33 am 230. Ed Wallis:

Dark H, Chuck P,

SNIFF, SNIFF…you words bring me to…snoooooooorrttttttt (wipes nose along shirt cuff to elbow…) tears.

Thank you.

Sep 8, 2008 - 2:11 pm 231. Neil:

Give the libs both barrels SARAH,

Sep 22, 2008 - 9:08 am

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