Sarah Palin and the Sham of Feminism
In the eyes of the "women's movement," the right woman is never a woman of the right.
John McCain’s selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate has energized the right. Conservatives view her as one of their own and are enthralled by her life story. She is a Washington outsider who, unlike the Democratic presidential nominee, impresses as being sincere, fresh, and new. Moreover, in juxtaposition with both Barack Obama and Joe Biden, her deeds suggest that she is an actual reformer rather than a person whose change message is wholly rhetorical. Her acceptance speech at the Republican National Convention was a testament to her savvy and appeal. Palin’s inspired talk yielded two of the best lines ever spoken about Barack Obama: “I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a ‘community organizer,’ except that you have actual responsibilities,” and “The American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of ‘personal discovery.’”
The Republican ticket offers the electorate two politicians who possess the courage to act on their convictions, which is something that could never (honestly) be said about the flagships of the left that oppose them; although, to what extent Palin will assist McCain in attracting female voters is a question in open dispute. Hillary Clinton made history this year — garnering 18 million votes and nearly pulling off the comeback of this new century — so one would presuppose that the emergence of “Sarah Barracuda” offered a bit of redemption for those feminists embittered by the results of the Democratic primaries.
Yet such an assumption would be incorrect. A working knowledge of feminism and the fashion by which the original meaning of the word has been irreversibly traduced by radicalism told observers all they needed to know about the stance acolytes would take in regard to Palin. Those of us for whom feminists are deplorably familiar have known for years that the primary reason for their success is their keeping up the pretense that they are “women’s groups” who advance “women’s rights.” However, both of these contentions are wrong. Big Feminism promotes statism, political correctness, misandry, contempt for our country, anti-Caucasian racism, and a host of other evils.
Unsurprisingly, the response of feminist activists and their peers in the mainstream media to the news of Sarah Palin’s nomination was immediate. Their disdain was palpable and their maliciousness readily evident. Peter Hitchens’ prediction proved prescient: “Watch as the ultra-feminist sisterhood back away in horror from Sarah Palin, John McCain’s new running mate. Mrs. Palin is technically female, but she’s enthusiastically married, hates abortion, and thinks criminals should not be the only people allowed to own guns. She’s everything Hillary Clinton isn’t. In short, she’s the wrong kind of woman.”
Indeed, that she is.
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1. SAF:Sarah Palin stands for what she stands and is unashamed of it. I used to think (many decades ago)that feminism and woman’s lib stood for independence and making it on your own. But the sad truth is that you can only be considered a liberated feminist if you are a democrat and tow the party line.
One need not look any further than the treatment of Sarah by the press and the libers to see what a sham this all is. It is even worse when you consider that Hillary is sort of extolled and would have been no where had she not stuck with her philandering husband and look at the support she gets. Palin had to make it on her own.
Its a sad day for America to watch all of this.
Sep 16, 2008 - 4:22 am 2. Tony:When some feminist idiot declared of Palin that “her greatest hypocricy is in her pretense that she is a woman” you finally get to understand just how mindlessly irrelevant these parasites are becoming.
Real women need to wash their hands of them. Good article.
Sep 16, 2008 - 4:28 am 3. Ed Wallis:Something related to this topic (as I can hardly add to that which SAF and Tony said!):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anieuWFWe8s
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:19 am 4. Palin For President:Palin for President of the United States of America!
http://sarahpalinforprez.blogspot.com/
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:39 am 5. RE:Psychological warfare has been waged upon those who hold traditional American values for several decades now. The emergence of Sarah Palin and the media’s response to have awakened many inattentive people the scope of the problem and how they have been deceived.
Like General Patreaus, she is another one of those American ‘Come out of nowhere, right person at the right time’ stories. And the left hats her, just as they tied to smear General Patraeus as ‘General Betray-us’.
We see the absolute worst of human nature in the left, over and over and over again. Yes, the culture war is very much ‘on’ and it’s not going to be pretty.
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:46 am 6. rjbjrirish:I agree with SAF about the Hillary comment. I would have had more respect for her if she’d kicked him to the curb. It just shows how some women (as well as some men) will do anything to obtain “absolute power”!
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:52 am 7. AJ:“Leftist radicals only support those women who mimic their exact manners and beliefs. They no more respect diversity than they do urinals.”
Well said, as is the entire piece. These feminists, as you note in your book, are total hypocrites, selfish, arrogant and disingenuous. Honest/real feminists like my wife and tens of millions of other women will support the GOP ticket as this would be a major step for women, no matter her party or views.
Seems most women think feminism means being able to have casual sex and kill your baby out of convenience.
Sep 16, 2008 - 6:18 am 8. cedarford:Oprah Winfrey followed suit and declared that she will not interview the Republican vice-presidential nominee before November 4. She refuses to use her “show as a platform for any of the candidates” even though Oprah has made it such a mechanism in the past. She had Barack Obama on as a guest and has already given him her endorsement. Her excuse is highly transparent because, at the moment, Palin would be a ratings boast for any television host. That Oprah wants nothing to do with her is a result of her own political bias.
The Right Wing is barking up the wrong tree if they assail Oprah’s 2007 decision not to have either Party’s nominees on her show since she endorsed a candidate. She in fact has had McCain on NUMEROUS times prior to 2007. Far more than Obama’s two 2005 and 2006 appearances.
Her announced policy is a good one. If she had endorsed and then had them as guests, she would have opened herself up to possible legal action.
And certainly partisans dissecting her and her guests interactions with each nominee as showing huge biases and perhaps partisan boycotts.
What is important is to watch Oprah (and all the other shows with people in the tank for Obama, the few that are McCain or Palin fans) to see if they tilt with allowing surrogates or celebrities to undulge in partisan diatribes. Especially Oprah, since having 30 celebs like Jane Fonda, Matt Damon, Susan Sarandon, David Geffen doing anti-Palin/McCain rants vs 2 or so bashing her “guy” Barack would show Oprah did an end-around on her own policy.
But if she keeps her show fair and balanced in partisanship – then she in fact deserved great credit for her policy after she said she was not objective and neutral but she would not use her show or her fans as tools. Far different than some sleaze like Dave Letterman pretending his show is objective then going with an endless stream of politicized celebrities praising Obamessiah, denouncing the BushHitler clone McCain, and denouncing Palin as a disgrace to women everywhere because she doesn’t agree with what radical feminists from Malibu, hardcore left females from Jewish neighborhoods in NYC say is true of “the correct thoughts of women”. (You are not a true feminist unless you are like Betty Freidan, Bella Abzug, Elizabeth Holtzman, Ruth Ginsbergs, Andrea Dworkins, Gloria Steinhams, or PC Malibu glitterati parties Marxist struggle concept of such “enlightened women”)
Sep 16, 2008 - 7:31 am 9. PJT:You can’t really expect Hillary Clinton supporters to support Sarah Palin, any more than you could expect Sarah Palin supporters to support Hillary Clinton. That is just not reasonable.
Also, you don’t have to be a radical feminist to question the qualifications that Sarah Palin brings to possible national office. Whereas Ronald Reagan brought two terms as governor of California, Sarah Palin brings just two years as governor of (heavily federally-subsidized) Alaska. To be candid, that is a very big difference.
Sep 16, 2008 - 7:53 am 10. pat napolitano:Sarah Palin has no credibility. Her stories and claim to fame have been nothing but lies. She did not sell the plane on e-bay, she did not say “thanks but no thanks” to the bridge as it was alrealy cancelled (verifiable if you don’t believe it) she did ask for earmarks and as far as the lawsuit….she can’t blame Obama as that was in process long before anyone knew who she was. They have 7 republicans and 3 democrats on the committee so if there is something funny ask the republicans on the committee. She is no maverick and that is why Mc Cain hides her…he is afraid she will be tripped up. Ladies wake up…she is not anyone I want to represent me. By the way, I am a republican who wants the “right to choose”, and the right to read any book I want.
Sep 16, 2008 - 7:55 am 11. Pam:By the way, I am a Democrat of many years standing. I think the party has gone off course this year. Sen Obama has no credibility. Ladies, wake up, Sarah Palin has more credentials and more credibility for the office of VP than does the empty suit who is running for President. I am a democrat who wants the right to choose and the right to read any book I want. Sen McCain is more likely to preserve our freedoms than is Sen Obama.
Sep 16, 2008 - 8:35 am 12. Dave II:Pat- you need to not take for granted every word the MSM dishes out…
-She NEVER said she SOLD the plane on ebay. She said she PUT it on ebay…and yes, it was sold later in a transaction off ebay, (Read her lipstick!)
-Bottomline on the “Bridge to Nowhere”. It was NEVER built! No thanks to Obama and Biden who STILL voted for it rather than use the funds for Katrina victims as they voted AGAINST the Coburn amendment. Now THAT is verifiable!
- Nobody is blaming Obama for the investigation. But the man they put in charge of the supeona list and head of the committee, Hollis French, ran against her in the Governor’s race and IS a HUGE Obama support. He’s already stated (before all the facts are in!) that the final report will be damaging to Palin. Gee…and why am I not surprised of his BIAS???
-She is NOT “hiding”. She campaigned on her own the last few days and will be with McCain on a midwest state tour this weekend. She’s been on ABC, and will be on FOX and others soon. Oh…and btw, where HAS BIDEN been lately?
-She NEVER tried to ban any books. (Another liberal lie…but then there are so many, who’s counting?) She did inquire about some books that she felt might be “inappropriate” for young readers to see what was in the library…never asked to have any removed.
-As for your fabled “right to choose”. NOW we are talking about the reason for your disagreement with her! When a woman with strong anti-abortion views, who lives her principles out in her life decisions, comes along and shows the world that, yes, you CAN be a strong woman and NOT believe that KILLING a LIFE is more important than how you cope with a pregnancy for 9 months (because really…what ELSE is it? It’s not the CHILD…he/she can be given up for adoption!) then it is a THREAT to your need for CONTROL…over YOUR “convienient” life and the life of ANOTHER HUMAN! (Oh…but if knowing when life begins is above your “pay grade”…I’ll excuse you on this one!)
Sep 16, 2008 - 8:46 am 13. penny:Besides their divisive victim politics, their anti-male and anti-nuclear family ideology and their repulsive defense of late term partial birth abortions feminists have ignored the half-billion Muslim women in need of civil rights and protection from abuse. It’s the huge women’s rights problem of our times. Where are they for them?
pat napolitano – the jet was placed on ebay, you can find it there in their archives, others have, that it didn’t sell there isn’t Palin’s fault. It was later sold elsewhere. Too bad your right to read doesn’t include getting yourself to google search where all of your lame points have been factually refuted through verifiable sources.
Sep 16, 2008 - 9:15 am 14. Ed Wallis:Pat N. 7:55am
You sound more like one of those Axelrod astroturf writers…warning flag in your post: “I am a republican who wants the “right to choose”, and the right to read any book I want.” The “book banning” nonsense has long since been debunked.
Please peddle your charade elsewhere.
Sep 16, 2008 - 9:30 am 15. RE:Yep, Asroturfing does seem to the the latest rage.
Keep pointing out this dishonest tactic, Ed. Good job.
Sep 16, 2008 - 9:34 am 16. tanstaafl:Big Feminism (NOW gals et al.) tipped its hand big time (and once and for all) when its adherents continued to support Bill Clinton post Monica.
That’s because Bill had them all in thrall with his support for their “issues”, abortion, gov’t provided day care…etc.
Bill, aka The Charlatan, can still make ‘em swoon.
…the response of feminist activists and their peers in the mainstream media to the news of Sarah Palin’s nomination was immediate. Their disdain was palpable and their maliciousness readily evident.
TBRW* Syndrome
(Steinem, Gandy, Gail Collins, Oprah…gynosaurs, one and all.)
There is something curiously limited and limiting about the “thinking” of many self-described feminists.
If they dropped the pretense of feminism and “women” being one, they would find themselves devoid of funding and legislative support.
A propos this, feminism rests on the weakest of principles, getting “government” and “agencies” to come on board for their agendas (Roe v. Wade classic case of supposed “empowerment” that is really dis-empowerment)
*Threatened By Real Woman Syndrome
Sep 16, 2008 - 9:51 am 17. avoidswork:I love a feminism article written by a man…
Sadly, BC is wrong. Feminism is about equality such as equal pay for equal work, it is about the ability to make choices for oneself such as a man can do (and yes, this includes the right to choose whether to carry a pregnancy to term), and it includes the acknowledgment that violence against women is a problem and to take steps to reduce it as much as possible.mccain/PALIN do not have a record of supporting women.
PALIN and many on the right think that a woman who is raped/incested should be required, by law, to carry a potential fetus to term. You have no concern over the psychological effects to said woman. And I ask you to look at your wife, daughter, aunt, niece and friend — what business does anyone have to make that decision for them?
AJ – untrue. Safe sex does not = casual sex.
Safe sex is about recognizing that sex can bring disease/consequences and that ways exist to reduce those probabilities. It also acknowledges the reality that most Americans have sex outside of wedlock. As for killing babies out of convenience — I don’t know what to say except that you are very, very wrong and misguided.
A pregnancy does not equal a live birth. From fertilization to implantation many things can go wrong and not allow for successful implantation (see IVF and implanting more embryos than expect to implant) or disasterous (ectopic/tubule) implantation. Then, it has to get over the hurdle of a the 1st trimester. Finally, it has to culminate in a live birth.
What I mean by the above is that you cannot guarantee that a pregnancy will end in a baby.
The main thing is that this is a truly personal decision that unless you are in the shoes of a person facing that decision, you cannot judge.
One very interesting question regarding PALIN and her pregnancy of Trig. Why get an amnio (which offers a very real risk to an unborn child) when you plan on carrying the child to term, regardless? Especially at her age? I don’t understand that decision process especially considering her point of view.
Re: Book banning. How does it sit with you that she did fire (and yes, rehire) the librarian of Wasilla after asking the librarian her POV about banning certain books? That she used that as a litmus test?
How about her cronyism as mayor hiring her friends w/o experience? How about her leaving Wasilla in debt? How about the rape kits (verifiable) being charged to the victim via their health insurance? State of Alaska passed a law to ensure that DOES NOT happen. How about her refusal to answer Troopergate questions? How about her pursuing earmarks, keeping some BTN money and instead, focusing on a Road to Nowhere? Not to mention her lying lying lying…
Oh, wait! I know… “Ayers, Rezko, Reverend Wright!” wash, rinse, repeat.
Sep 16, 2008 - 10:00 am 18. tanstaafl:It’s the Bridge to Nowhere, and the internet is rife with Sarah Palin Myth debunking sites
Even “We’re in the tank for Obama” Newsweek came on board.
I find it endlessly curious that we mammals can be so sure about when life does/doesn’t begin. Considering our very late arrival on the Earth’s evolutionary scale, it seems wildly presumptuous of us.
Sep 16, 2008 - 10:40 am 19. Rubicon:I really am stunned by the overwhelming attack mentality that has developed since Palin was selected. When the vetting process began in MAY, she advised the McCain camp of the “trip up issues” and they determined those issues were easily refuted and/or justifiable. The trooper she wanted fired or dismissed or suspended, was her sisters husband. However, that trooper has an abysmal record. Local news sources already reviewed the entire issue, but Palin’s adversaries wanted an investigation. Because Palin has dealt with bum politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle, those Republicans of the “system” also wanted to get even with her for taking down their gravy train. Few politicians from any party make any headway without making enemies.
Sep 16, 2008 - 10:42 am 20. uburoisc:The real stunner in this, is the apoplectic reaction of feminists.I never thought I would hear & read NYT & other feminists decrying a woman for taking on a responsible position & supposedly neglecting her familial obligations.
Many may argue my point, but it sure looks like the initial real issue is that Palin did not abort what the leftists feel is her imperfect baby. in addition, she did not or apparently did not counsel her 17 y/o daughter to abort her unplanned pregnancy.
Surely the left cannot be angry with her over her “choice” to have her child & to support her daughters decision to have her child. The daughter told her of her planned marriage & why shortly after she was told she was pregnant. Mom was not consulted on the subject until after the guy proposed to her. But many would say there is not evidence to support that other than the word of the daughter & her planned husband. I say, its a family issue & none of our business.
Palin did NOT support abstinence only education. She supported educating kids on ALL options. Many opposed to abstinence ed, loudly demand it be removed from ed, & act like abstinence should never be discussed at all. That is what she objected to. She also did NOT support teaching creationism only. She supported teaching both the theory of evolution & the theory of creation or intelligent design.
Seems to me giving a kid the info for them to decide on their own, is the best approach.
Then again, there is a movement by many on the left (Al Gore champions this approach) that
“balance as bias.” Apparently some on the left feel if the public is given info on both sides of an issue so people can make their own decisions, the progress the left feels is necessary may be hindered by any questions about the veracity of some of the claims made to support the view the left has taken on some issues. Gore refuses to openly debate some of his Global Warming contentions. He cannot prove CO2 drives temperatures up. In fact, he knows CO2 follows temperature fluctuations. So CO2 accumulation levels respond to temperature changes and not the other way around. That sort of blows a big hole in many of the base positions of his theories on Global Warming.
(BTW, it has now been cited by scientists that we have entered into a cooling period that may last fifty to one hundred years. No one can be sure.
All in all, its just mindbogglingly incredible that those who have for years supposedly been the champions of “womens rights” have suddenly become fervent advocates for stay at home Mom’s, especially if their name is Sarah Palin & she is a Christian conservative Republican running as the Vice Presidential pick of the her parties Presidential pick, against the picks made by Democrats for those positions.
It honestly creates the impression the positions of feminists all this time, have been hypocritical. Differing with her on issues would be one thing, but viciously attacking her motherhood or her wifely duties, is just plain ignorant. Her family obligations are streamlining as we move toward the election since her son is going to Iraq as an adult, her 17 y/o will be setting up her own household with new hubby, and Willow (the next oldest daughter) is already making her plans for college. That will leave Governor Palin with her youngest daughter (11 I think), and her new special needs son. Bet the bank that kid will get superior treatment for his difficulties, & Mom will be right there when needed to make decisions, support him, and give him all the love a kid could ask for. Add Dad to the equation, & while his life will be filled with challenges none of us would ever want to face, I believe the kid will do just fine & never want for love & attention from Mom.
Avoidswork, I only read books by black people about black issues, by women about women’s topics, and by men about a man’s concerns. I cannot take anyone seriously on a subject unless they have their identity wrapped around as part-and-parcel of the subject they write about. For example, a gay man can write about a gay man’s issues, for example, but not credibly about the lesbian condition. In academia, that’s called identity politics, and it’s pure bullshit.
Sep 16, 2008 - 10:43 am 21. Chuck Pelto:TO: avoidswork
RE: Speaking of Being ‘Wrong’
Noble words. But not very accurate…at least these days.
Maybe you should drop by Dr. Helen’s item currently available via PJM.
RE: Wrong Again
If it were such a “very real risk”, they wouldn’t be giving such tests.
RE: Fire the Librarian
Was it against the law to fire said librarian? No? Then I guess it was her prerogative to do so. Like Mr. Bill fired all the US Attorneys and every appointee of the Bush administration upon coming into office. And then Hillary had the Travel Office fired as well.
Don’t like the way Palin ran her town? State?
Take a look the Dems darling, babe. Oops. I mean hypocrite.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 10:47 am 22. Dave II:[So you're a feminist...Isn't that cute!]
“What I mean by the above is that you cannot guarantee that a pregnancy will end in a baby.”
Well, sure…and abortion is your GUARANTEE that it won’t! Right???
Though, with Obama…he’d even do you one better and have the law say…even if it DOES end with a baby…you’d STILL have the right to make sure that baby doesn’t live!
My, my…how far down that road can we travel???
Sep 16, 2008 - 10:49 am 23. tanstaafl:Amnio (“amniocentesis”) is a needle stuck in the abdomen and amniotic fluid drawn off.
Any invasion of the womb involves risk, but it is not a high risk procedure.
And (whether you think it a good idea or not) it is very often performed when a woman is pregnant past age 40.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:05 am 24. Tina Trent:Penny: I take it you spend your time liberating women from the Taliban? No?
The Feminist Majority Foundation has taken THE lead in that cause in the United States for decades. So have other feminists. The N.O.W. doesn’t, for all the reasons listed above. Please, know what you’re talking about, OK? Ditto Chapin. Sarah Palin and other elected female officials owe something to the tenets of equity feminism, and they know it. We’re not all responsible for the fringe nuts, and everyone knows the N.O.W. has been a lost cause for decades, sunk by the very anti-white, anti-heterosexual crap obsessively pilloried here. But most feminists have nothing to do with the N.O.W., even if the media and the current DNC wants to believe it’s so.
All this hysteria about family-hating feminists is just that: hysteria. It’s the equivalent of saying that Pat Robertson represents all conservatives. Sarah Palin identifies herself as a feminist — so why continue to fulminate about Kim Gandy? Most feminists know precisely how Kim Gandy and company tried to sell out women. I know: I was there. It didn’t work: it only made the N.O.W. smaller.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:07 am 25. Rubicon:On the amnio decision…. a female Wassila resident blogged somewhere that most Alaskan hospitals do not have all the equipment available in the lower 48, so it has become a standard practice in Alaska for ALL pregnant women to have an amnio to cover more medical diagnosis bases, than determining if a child has special needs issues.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:10 am 26. Sandra M:Obviously, Alaskan women deserve to have their hospitals equipped with up to date methods for testings during pregnancies. But that has nothing to do with the erroneous contention she had the test but still decided to have the kid. In addition, if my wife were pregnant, I would want the test so I could emotionally adjust to that issue & begin making plans for how we would cope with such issues.
I think we should all wait til we see Palin’s actual position on abortion because I suspect she is more pro choice than many think! For some conservatives, that could end up a contentious issue, but it may also help her with those women who feel abortion decisions need to respect the needs & circumstances of the mother.
As a man, I am still undecided if I should even have a say in the issue since I would not have to carry the child to full term. In addition, I never could have kids, so my position would be moot anyway!
I do object to Roe v. Wade. But that has to do with the judicial fiat point. Abortion is NOT a right. Legal abortion in any form in America today, is based on a judicial ruling & contrary to what many say, ALL judicial rulings are always up for review & reversal depending on current issues. That is why the left opposes many conservative Justices. The left fears their judicial fiat ruling could be reversed. The left should have sought legislative action immediately upon the Roe v. Wade ruling. As legislation on a state level or national level,
their position on abortion would be codified in the law books & then the left would not be in the position they are today fearing ANY conservative Justice. This demonstrates why a “living” constitution is a problem. If what is written is not to be counted on in its written form, then we have judges making law when they should not be, & exposing their ‘law by fiat’ to reversal each time a challenge to an original ruling comes up.
We cannot be adherents to the constitution when it suits our personal agenda, while seeking latitude on only those issues that suit specific population demographics. And if the constitution really is so out of date as some contend, there is a built in mechanism to make changes. But it requires those seeking change to do some work. Hence many sought “just the right judges” so they could circumvent that democratic process in favor of their personal agendas. Perhaps they feared the public would not vote for constitutional changes they wanted, or they feared legislators would not support their desire for abortion to be legalized through the legislative process due to a lack of public support? Who knows. But, judicial fiat is no way to run a constitutional republic operating in a democracy!
Many years ago, I saw a list of outstanding women. Nowhere mentioned was Ayn Rand, who wrote novels of ideas, and whose books were among the most read in the 20th century. Rand’s anti-communism made her persona non grata in the mostly Marxist-led feminist movement. (Steinem AND Friedan among others)
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:15 am 27. Chuck Pelto:TO: Tina Trent
RE: Hysteria? Hardly….
Maybe you should join the discussion at Dr. Helen’s item too.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:18 am 28. tanstaafl:[One day I shall burst my bud of calm and blossom forth into hysteria. But today isn't that day.]
Ok, stop fulminating about Kim Gandy
Can I fulminate about the female who introduced Joe Biden in Michigan yesterday who referred to Sarah Palin as a “bucket of fluff” ?
Can I fulminate about Maureen Dowd, Gloria Steinem, Sally Quinn, Oprah’s little closed minded, claustrophobic mindset ?
I’m appalled at some prominent feminists reaction to Sarah Palin, in ample evidence over the past 2 or 3 incredible weeks.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:21 am 29. Dr. Mark:TO Pat Napolitano..you are NO republican, but instead are a poser and what Rush refers to as a “seminar” caller (writer). Go back to MoveOn.Org where you belong. Palin has the credentials of a Conservative, much more important than being a repub.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:23 am 30. avoidswork:Man, oh, man…lotsa boys speakin’ today about uterine issues.
Chuck(less): Do you know what an amnio is? Its purpose? And its risk factor? I’m not the only woman alive who can tell you an amnio has a risk to the unborn child. Heck, Wiki can tell you its risks:
“Although the procedure is routine, possible complications include infection of the amniotic sac from the needle, and failure of the puncture to heal properly, which can result in leakage or infection. Serious complications can result in miscarriage. Other possible complications include preterm labor and delivery, respiratory distress, postural deformities, fetal trauma and alloimmunisation (rhesus disease). The risk of amniocentesis-related miscarriage is generally thought to be 1 in 200, although a recent study has indicated this may actually be much lower, perhaps 1 in 1,600.”
Chuck(less), Another condescending guy…just like Ed Wallis.
Dave: No, that is not what I am saying. What I am pointing out is that fertilization does not always equal implantation. That implantation does not always equal successful fetal development. That post 1st trimester, things can still happen to the unborn child that could cause anywhere from premature delivery that ultimately results in infant death, in utero death, etc.
Potential life begins at conception. But as stated above, there is no guarantee that said potential life even gest a real shot at life b/c zygote does not implant OR may implant ectopically or in a fallopian tube. In any of those circumstances, that potential life will never come to fruition.
Actual life begins when the fetus is born into this world.
And the “left” is not “angry” over her choice to have Trig. That is a personal decision. A decision I would make for my own pregnancy. But the right applauds her for not aborting Trig as though someone who is pro-choice would automatically not have a child with DS. That argument is inherently false.
But the way PALIN argues it, she would want a raped 13-year old to bring that fetus to term. So look around at young girls you know and ask yourself if you would do the same? Would you put your child through a pregnancy that was brought about via violence?
On, and is there any way the men on this board can NOT be condescending to a woman who has a different/feminist point of view? Who is with Ed and Chuck and who is not?
No, not against law to fire said librarian. Just depicts her brat-baby-fit like qualities when someone disagrees with her. Look at her record. See Troopergate.
Um…
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:29 am 31. Rubicon:Dare I say it??? Really????
Oh what the heck.
Amen Dr. Mark!! Well said!
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:32 am 32. Chuck Pelto:TO: cedarford
RE: Excellent Point….
….that.
Sort of like the way PBS was exposed for it’s leftist tendencies, putting on more leftist supporting items than a true balance.
And much like the so-called major media is doing today. One of the many reasons I no longer watch television. [Note: I've only watched some of it these last few weeks as my mother-in-law is staying with us while we kill the aggressive cancer that is attacking her neck and mouth. And even then, I can only take it in small doses. Otherwise today COULD be the day....as mentioned in the previous comment's tagline.....]
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:38 am 33. tanstaafl:[Television is educational. Every time someone turns one on, I go read a good book. -- Groucho Marx]
But the way PALIN argues it, she would want a raped 13-year old to bring that fetus to term.
I haven’t seen that argument made by PALIN.
Got documentation ?
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:39 am 34. avoidswork:PALIN does not believe in abortion – even for cases of incest/rape. Ergo…
I didn’t know that PALIN’s stance on abortion was debatable or even in a gray area.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:43 am 35. avoidswork:But tans, just for you:
Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped
The candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant.
Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother’s life was in danger. When it came to her daughter, she said, “I would choose life.”
Knowles, responding to the scenario involving his daughter, said he would counsel her and talk to her, but it would be her decision. “I would love her and support her no matter what decision she made,” he said
Source: Alaska 2006 Governor Debate: AP coverage of public TV debate Nov 3, 2006
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:45 am 36. Chuck Pelto:TO: avoidswork
RE: Ignorant, Eh?
Had it done with my second daughter. Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center, Denver, CO, 1986.
RE: The Condescending Guy
Only where it is apropos. Something to do with (1) taking the fight to the enemy and (2) the fact that they stopped commissioning Army officers as ‘gentlemen’ the year before I was commissioned. So it’s okay if I take this fight into the teeth of the ‘enemy’.
RE: Maybe….
….you should consider retitling your handle to avoidsthinking?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Feminism will not last one milli-second beyond the next global catastrophe.]
P.S. And the die-hard feminazis will be hard-pressed to survey much longer after that.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:48 am 37. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: avoidsthinking
What was I saying?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent, and debate. -- Hubert H. Humphrey]
P.S. And that freedom applies to all, including the unborn.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:52 am 38. Sandy Salt:Since when did it become a crime to do what you think is right? I mean if Gov. Palin wanted to carry her baby to term knowing all the facts then that was her decision and hers alone. Yes, she and her husband are a team and I am sure that he had some say in the matter, but the final decision was hers. Feminists should be proud of how far Gov. Palin has come and where she might go in the very near future. I would not advocate voting for Gov. Palin because she is a woman any more than I would advocate voting for Sen. Obama because he is racially mixed. Those are very poor reasons to vote for anyone. The whole debate here is all smoke and mirrors because the radical feminists can not acknowledge Gov. Palin without destroying their cause, but the true feminists have no outlet to express their pride in the success of a strong woman. The level of nastiness is repugnant on all levels because people can not be civil to each other. You can disagree about everything, but you are still Americans and can at least be civil with each other. Enjoy your debate. I will proudly cast my vote for people who believe in America and want to make it better.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:55 am 39. avoidswork:Um, did you see above Chuck? Her stance is pretty well-defined. Tans wanted an example/documentation and I gave him/her one.
Where am I in error?
And, you’re so like, funny and all with your condescension. Just because my momma raised me to be a free thinker, to have values and not to judge unless willing to put self up for judgement.
To argue that PALIN is pro-woman and feminist is a joke to those who are pro-woman and pro-feminism.
Again, I urge you to read up on violence statistics against women in Alaska. Try the US Department of Justice statistics. It’s quite sad. And this is a state she is in charge of.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:58 am 40. tanstaafl:I found the link you used.
I don’t see a transcript of any actual conversation.
Anyway, why should PALIN’s stand on a raped 13 YO be of concern ? The raped 13 YO and her family would make the decision, not Sarah Palin.
It seems, avoids, you accept the incendiary protocol on quite a few topics.
Sep 16, 2008 - 11:58 am 41. Chuck Pelto:TO: Sandy Salt
RE: Indeed
But that’s the Leftist approach to thinks. If they don’t like it, you shouldn’t do it. Even IF it is lawful to do it.
For their ilk, the thought is everything.
I’m reminded of the Ministry of Peace from Babylon 5. They were not so much concerned with what people did, as with what they thought. When I heard that line, I turned to the distaff and said, “This is prescient.”
And sure enough….some Leftist wants to establish a Department of Peace. The question is where would this federal department operate? And how would they go about establishing ‘peace’? In Babylon 5 it was by arresting anyone who had ‘unpeaceful’ thoughts about the current administration.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:03 pm 42. Chuck Pelto:[Science fiction writers foresee the inevitable, and although problems and catastrophes may be inevitable, solutions are not. -- Isaac Asimov]
TO: avoidsthinking
RE: Where Your ‘Error’?
In your thoughtless presumption that no one can debate it. Sheesh!
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[To build may have to be the slow and laborious task of years. To destroy can be the thoughtless act of a single day. -- Winston Churchill]
P.S. Think of a single child who could grow up to be a genius who could cure cancer……destroyed by a ‘thoughtless [selfish] act of a single day’…..
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:06 pm 43. tanstaafl:Sarah Palin is one of the most pro woman women one can imagine.
Apparently she scares all the fake woman women sh!tless
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:08 pm 44. avoidswork:Look, you can believe whatever you want to believe.
As a woman, her belief set terrifies me and my values. I was raised to be valuable and to make choices that I deemed best for myself. Not to have others determine what may/may not happen in my own body.
But I feel her stance is extremist in the sense that many who are pro-life do believe that if a pregnancy comes about by force, then it was a “decision” made by the female and that “responsibility for such actions” does not apply. Again, I strongly believe it is a personal decision. Not one that should be made for me. Hence pro-CHOICE.
Tans…do some legwork yourself. I just gave you forum (gubernatorial debates) and a date (Nov 2006). Again, I did not know there was disagreement on her stance as I have found mulitple references on various fact-check type sites.
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:09 pm 45. tanstaafl:Not to have others determine what may/may not happen in my own body.
That has never (ever) been an issue for most women. They educate themselves, take responsibility et al and etc.
Government need not intervene.
Somewhere in the range of 50 million (mostly simply elective) abortions have been performed in the United States since the 1973 passage of Roe v. Wade.
Some women have come to view abortion as, literally, a form of birth control.
If you see that as “progressive” or enlightened or “pro woman” or anything of that nature, I have an igloo in Alaska to sell you.
(be back later)
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:17 pm 46. Chuck Pelto:TO: avoidsthinking
RE: Terrifying
You’re easily frightened, eh? That’s REALLY too bad. You won’t last long in the coming dark age. Better find a good man.
And it looks like tanstaafl has you properly identified when he says….
How marvelous. And how interesting that your two comments came out so close together.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:19 pm 47. Sandy Salt:[It is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our sight. -- Psalms]
Chuck,
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:32 pm 48. RE:You saw that too, how funny. It still amazes me that you have people blathering on about choice, but refuse to let someone else choose for themselves what they want in life. I am not a fan of abortion as the sole form of birth control because I find it irresponsible when there are much better prevention methods available that don’t involve a life and death choice. It is funny that the one thing the left is okay with is irresponsibility, but they go completely crazy over people that take responsibility for their actions. I guess I was drunk, so please forgive this post because it is irresponsible to drink and post.
avoidswork,
If it were your own life that you chose terminate, I think people would respect your decision. The problem is that you are talking about terminating someone else’s life. You want to be excused from accountability for your own recklessness and irresponsibility – that’s what you are after.
It a moot point anyway. Vice Presidents and Presidents don’t make laws. Nor can they arbitrarily strike down laws. We have a rather elaborate Democratic system that determines such things.
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:33 pm 49. avoidswork:How pathetic. I point out my views and get insults and condescension. I could say that you are being “sexist”, but my skin is a lot tougher than that.
With regard to “choice”: My POV is that *I* dont’ make the decisions for *your* body.
PALIN’s POV: Gov’t should decide for *me* what happens in *my* body.
Although, again, no one talks about the scary area of incest/rape. Lack of pro-woman issues performed by her as governer. (And mccain for that matter)
And no one here cares whether she is a lying sack of doo peddling lie after lie.
Biden spearheaded the Violence Against Women Act. McCain opposed it.
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:54 pm 50. Anonymous:Wow, RE, wow.
Again, discuss situations of incest and rape.
Sep 16, 2008 - 12:59 pm 51. Rubicon:When in an executive position, one must make decisions on who works with you & who does not. Sometimes those decisions are made based solely on whether that person opposes positions or not. Other times it is based on capabilities whether they be technical or managerial or leadership. Still others are based on the individuals ability to fit in with the current leadership. The guy she dismissed, simply did not work well with her or her staff on administrative policy issues. He was NOT fired because he did not fire the trooper at her insistence, & he has stated that for the public record. He did say, now that Palin is the VP designate of the Republican party, he sorta felt some pressure, but that he was not exposed to any direct pressure or insistence to take action against the trooper.
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:05 pm 52. Dave II:Palin did not ask for any book to be removed or banned from the library. She asked what the policy was on books for children when content is controversial. For some parents, their position is why expose a kindergärtner to issues they feel are best left to a more mature age. It may be a tad early to expose a kindergärtner to some controversial adult oriented issues, & some parents want to reserve the right to hold off until their child is more mature. While there are those who want to ban such subjects, most simply want to just hold off. That’s not really too much to ask, is it? Sooner or later the kid will learn all about it. Mom & Dad really should have a major say in what subject matter their kids are exposed to & especially on controversial issues. Despite what many feel, including some educators, what a child is taught really should involve Mom & Dad in a meaningful way. since the kid is theirs, not the states!
Palin was a capable & assertive woman in a male dominated atmosphere in Alaska when she broke into politics. That alone made any decision she made something “the powers to be” would find contentious. And, boy oh boy did they!
Her desire to look into the “deals” the powers to be were involved in, were based on facts she had been shown or uncovered herself upon investigation. Would that many of our public servants (oops, I mean politicians), were doing the exact same thing.
Palin dealt with personnel issues, & she was tough on those issues. Better that than carrying a simpleton or drunk. If a man had made those decisions, I suspect we would not have heard one peep about them.
The trooper…. definitely has a history of questionable actions & a number of incidents noted in his personnel files, and he also has publicly admitted that. While his personnel jacket is unavailable, correctly I add, there is enough public evidence he has had a troubled career, but is now trying to clean up his act!
The trooper admitted he had a drinking problem.
What he now contends is he was not drunk on the job. But the assertion was not that he was drunk on duty, but that he had been drinking while on duty, among a number of other questionable judgment issues.
Tasering a kid definitely fits into the questionable judgment category & should easily call for serious disciplinary action, in the very least. I would have fired him on the spot.
The possible physical damage to a youngster made his decision a serious issue. Let the union challenge the decision after he was dumped. Any judge in a court or labor arbitrator would surely agree tasering a child
“to show them what it felt like,” easily constitutes deliberate child abuse. In a way, a minor child agreeing to a tasering is similar to a minor child agreeing to sex with an adult. Even if the child “asked for it”, (a despicably dysfunctional assertion in any circumstance), its still rape & the rapist should face penalty.
These issues had been investigated, raked over in the local & state media and had been adequately resolved. But, since Palin is now the ‘Republican’ nominee for VP, they have been resuscitated as easy stones to throw to say Palin acted inappropriately, & in dredging up these issues once again, political witch hunters get to try to sensationalize them & make them election issues. Would that many of the connections & issues of the opposition candidates had been so throughly reviewed.
Re: RE (this is looking like a forwarded email!)
You are SO right! Avoidswork arguement, and those of most feminists who oppose her is blatantly false. The VP (and even if she became President!) don’t make the laws concerning abortions…it is a RIDICULOUS ARGUEMENT to make for opposing her! (And even her “personal choice” to bring a child of her daughter to term concieved by rape is a matter for her FAMILY!…NOT THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE!)
Let’s say…WORSE CASE (for avoidswork and all hard-core feminists) that a Supreme Court in their wisdom decided to overturn Roe v.Wade…what then???
It ALL becomes a STATE issue. Nothing more. And every state gets to decide how they want to address the issue of abortion.
Does abortion become ILLEGAL??? Doubtful…but sure, it’s possible, but only in a few states. So you have to travel to New York or California to kill your fetus…big whoop!
This is NOT AN ISSUE that belongs in the FEDERAL government’s sphere of control. Even Ruth Bader Ginsberg has stated the ruling of Roe v. Wade was one that stretched the Consitution to it’s limit to get there.
Bottom line: It NEEDS to be revisted by the court. Not neccessarily to overturn it, but to settle wether the FEDERAL government’s nose belongs in that area at all!
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:34 pm 53. RE:Anonymous,
There can always be exceptions to the general rule and they get worked out in the legislative process. Using exceptional circumstances like rape or incest to legitimize all abortion is dishonest.
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:39 pm 54. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: avoidsthinking & the Big Lie
I think she’s projecting, on this.
As some wag put it….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:42 pm 55. Chuck Pelto:[Liberals aren't. Progressives won't.]
P.S. I think Rubicon’s lengthy post gives the truth to avoidsthinking’s lie about lies.
Sep 16, 2008 - 1:44 pm 56. penny:PALIN and many on the right think that a woman who is raped/incested should be required, by law, to carry a potential fetus to term.
Oh, please, that has never been Palin’s position nor the vast maority of conservatives.
Penny: I take it you spend your time liberating women from the Taliban? No?
No, I’ve physically not been able to do that, have you, Tina? Or is that your version of the chickenhawk denounciation game? I do what I can to make people aware of the problem and lend financial support where I can.
For all of the useless gender victim studies departments that are entrenched on our campuses it’s hard to find many instances of a solidarity march/vigil/forum for Muslim women sponsored by those academic feminists. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy. It is a bigger picture than NOW’s, the largest feminist group, silence now and over the years. Citing the Feminist Majority Foundation, who I doubt have made it a cause “for decades”, doesn’t refute my point about the sheer hypocrisy of politicized western feminists. Looking at their site they, like NOW, are reproductive rights shills who smear and misrepresent Republicans at every turn.
Nothing has been as destructive to the nuclear family as the dismantled welfare system and the radical feminist culture of the 60’s. Combined it was toxic to our culture. Eleanor Smeal was and still is part of the problem. I wonder how many articles on Muslim women’s problems MS magazine has devoted?
I was there too, Tina.
Sep 16, 2008 - 2:39 pm 57. Marie in DE:So, if someone committed a crime against you (rape or incest) then covering up that crime with an abortion is somehow justified? Will it stop the rape or incest from happening again? No, it only makes a bad situation worse.
The statistics show more women are harmed by abortion than anything else. Some can never have children again when they would want to. Others are so traumatized they commit suicide. Post-abortion Trauma Syndrome is real. Most women regret the abortion for the rest of their lives. That is the inconvenient truth that feminists are hiding from women. Abortion HURTS women and is the cause of death for both mother and child!
Read the story at Rebecca Kiessling’s site. Society has essentially told her she doesn’t deserve to live, since she was conceived in rape. Unplanned is not synonymous with unwanted.
As for Sarah Palin, I’m glad she’s on the ticket and even as VP she can’t change any pro-abortion laws anyway. There are three branches of government: Executive, Legislative and Judicial and each have a specific function. The Vice President is in the Executive branch. The Executive branch does not write laws, it only passes them or vetoes them.
All this nonsense about Sarah Palin outlawing abortion and banning books are indicative of the irrational scare tactics from the Left. They called Ronald Reagan a warmonger but all the time he was President nobody picked on America. If Sarah Palin is scary, all the better. I’d be delighted if she scares Putin and that IAmanutjob in Iran. The reality is that if both those guys took one look at her, they’d forget their first names. The pro-choice feminists are revealing themselves to be a bunch of ugly old jealous hags.
Sep 16, 2008 - 2:44 pm 58. Marie in DE:Link to Rebecca Kiessling’s site:
Sep 16, 2008 - 2:48 pm 59. Chuck Pelto:http://www.rebeccakiessling.com
TO: Marie in DE
RE: Stats, Please
I looked at the rebeccakiessling site, cut could not find statistics. Is there a direct url you could provide?
Thanks,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 3:00 pm 60. Ed Wallis:[Life is a bowl of merde and statistics is the spoon.]
“Man, oh, man…lotsa boys speakin’ today about uterine issues.” – “avoidswork” 11:29am
FIRST OF ALL: I am sanctimoniously and egregiously and sexistishly and humorlessly OFFENDED at your use of the phrase, “Man, oh, man”!!!
OFF WITH HER HEAD!
That men’s words should not have any merit “about uterine issues” is SEXUAL BLASPHEMY to the uterus-challenged among us Homo Sapiens!!!
OFF WITH HER HEAD!
Bada bing, bada bang, bada boom…
Oh, sheesh…ya just can’t get ENOUGH of these “old school” feminists, can you?!
Sep 16, 2008 - 3:54 pm 61. Bernard Chapin:Friends and leftists, thanks so much for reading my piece. I could say much more than I will but let me point out how ironic it is that a feminist would use the screen name “avoids work.” Precisely! What could be more apropos of that lot than that, lol?
With this comment in particular: “I love a feminism article written by a man…” and “Man, oh, man…lotsa boys speakin’ today about uterine issues.” What reeks more of privilege than those words? This feminist is so privileged she or she/he thinks that the opposite sex has no right to question her behavior and the fashion by which feminist hate has damaged the nation. To her I say, stop focusing on yourself, the rest of us are talking about serious matters and the fate of the greatest country ever founded.
We can write about feminism, we do, and I hope more men will follow my lead and begin ridiculing that molly-coddled bunch as soon as possible. Second, what we’re talking about is politics and the nation’s fate, but to you narcissists it’s always about you. Sad but true. Third, everyone should be condescending to you because you’re uneducated and wish the worst for the American people as do all feminists. John McCain won’t question your patriotism …but I will. Fourth, you’re not a free thinker you’re a totalitarian statist. Stop complimenting yourself. There’s no reason for you to do so. Keep avoiding work and taking womyn’s studies classes so at least you won’t harm our economy. Fifth, nobody’s being sexist. You’re not very smart. Every other female reader here is far smarter than you. Sixth, as Dr. Allan Carlson and Paul Mero outlined this phenomenon in their excellent book, The Natural Family: A Manifesto, lesbians are far more violent toward their partners than straight males ever have been:
“Contrary to the predictions of feminist theory, domestic abuse (verbal,
psychological, and physical) occurs significantly more often among
lesbian couples than among heterosexual pairs. Surveys indicate that
women who have been in both lesbian and heterosexual unions received
significantly more abuse in the lesbian relationships. Nearly one-half of
lesbians surveyed reported ‘being or having been the victim of relation-
ship violence.’ Almost two-fifths of lesbians surveyed admitted having
used violence against a partner. The researchers suggest that ‘the
academic community…shares some of the blame for ignoring same-sex
domestic violence,’ likely because of ‘a reluctance to challenge feminist
frameworks.” pp.157-158
Lastly, it is to Sarah Palin’s tremendous credit that she opposes a woman’s right to murder along with unequal pay for unequal work which is what the feminista pay act proposes. I can’t wait until McCain wins in November so I can enjoy watching the left become even crazier.
Obama is to “astroturfing” what the Houston Oilers were to Astroturf.
Sep 16, 2008 - 4:10 pm 62. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: [Slightly OT] Speaking of Liars
Here’s an interesting item just up from Instapundit….
….about Facts & Lies Obamanation Style.
If the report turns out to be accurate, and I have little reason to doubt its veracity, this is just another example of the lies the followers of The One spew, as we’ve already seen here.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 4:13 pm 63. Robert:[Every violation of truth is not only a sort of suicide in the liar, but is a stab at the health of human society. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
To my dear fellow Americans:
Our country is falling apart, we are loosing our competitve advantage in the world, our children are falling behind in school, our infrastucture is outdated and we cant keep borrowing money from China to pay for this war. I emplore you to set aside the abortion, gay rights and guns issues for a second and use your critical thinking skills.
Today, I had to figure out how to pay a bill, not get an abortion. Today, I tried to figure out how to pay for healthcare for my sick child, and not worry about local law enforcement taking away my gun. Today, I tried to figure out where I could get some food after recovering from the hurricane, not worry about if Bill and Bill should get married.
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:08 pm 64. Chuck Pelto:Our country is going down the tubes and all we can be concerned about is who should and shouldnt be married. I mean are you that dense?! The house is on fire and McCain is not the one to bring this country together. He picked a right winger that only appeals to people who dont believe in progress. This is evident by the fact that you would rather vote for someone who is like you than vote for someone that can help you.
The last time we voted for someone you could have a beer with you got Bush twice. See what he has done!
Wake Up!
TO: All
RE: Robert….
….another ‘liberal’ who can’t tell one topical thread from another.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:25 pm 65. Monte:[Liberals aren't. Progressives won't.]
PJT:
You can’t really expect Hillary Clinton supporters to support Sarah Palin, any more than you could expect Sarah Palin supporters to support Hillary Clinton. That is just not reasonable.
PJT, if you really believe what you have posted, why are 99% of African-Americans supporting Obama.
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:28 pm 66. Chuck Pelto:TO: Robert
RE: Have a Clue….
….your comment would be better suited on the thread by Miniter titled What if Obama Loses?
Enjoy,
Chuck(le)
Sep 16, 2008 - 5:30 pm 67. Jack Okie:[An experience is not a total lose as long as you learn something from it.]
Robert, if you are plumping yourself as someone we should take advice from,
WHY IN THE HELL DID YOU HAVE A KID BEFORE YOU COULD AFFORD HEALTH CARE? Planned Parenthood does offer more than just abortions, you know.
Sep 16, 2008 - 6:12 pm 68. Dave ll:Robert;
Actually, I agree with you TOTALLY about the issues you bring up. I, myself, work all day with homeowners on the brink of foreclosure due to the mortgage crisis and real estate slump. It is not a pretty situation out there with homeowner after homeowner owing $100,000-$200,000 more than their home is worth…and wondering if it even makes sense to stay in their home, or walk away…
But really…I don’t blame this situation on Bush or even the Dem Congress. It is a situation caused by market forces and lenders who got greedy the last several years and wrote MILLIONS of these bad type of loans to people who should not have qualified, or evn if they did, should not have taken out a high LTV loan on the assumption that real estate would keep going up…and it didn’t!
So is this BUSH’s FAULT??? Or more so the do-nothing Dem Congress? Look, the Congress makes the laws and regulations, Bush can only veto or sign them. What happened has caught EVERYONE unprepared and off guard…even up to the highest CEOs on Wall Street (who are as much to blame as anyone!).
Saying all that…I don’t believe your conclusion that Obama is THE ONE to solve ANYTHING…simply because he has NEVER shown he can make the hard decisions that need to be made, or for that matter…even “bring people together” to solve these problems.
If you can show me ANY ONE EXAMPLE in his political history of him doing this I would say you might have a point…but you can’t becuase I know there is NONE!
Only McCain has shown he can work “across the aisle” to bring about some change. Not only in Washington, but in the Republican Party! He is the ONLY candidate that has a PROVEN RECORD of doing so.
Sep 16, 2008 - 6:14 pm 69. SAF:Palin is at least as qualified as Obama. If she isn’t he isn’t.
BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) has caused the democrats to nominate an unqualified candidate.
Sep 16, 2008 - 6:31 pm 70. Kat:With Palin’s comments on having Georgia and the Ukraine join in on the NATO pack, and the U.S. going to war against Russia for them, I definitely say No Way, No How, No McCain, No Palin! We have barely enough boys/men to fight the un-necessary wars we are currently fighting, let alone have the potential to add another war to it. The amount of casualities we have already suffered is ridiculous. The fact that she would even say, whisper to the U.S. getting involved in another war is idiotic. All the mothers of boys, no matter what the age, even those not even conceived yet, should realize the only way our country can even get involved in another war is to impliment the DRAFT and since the Republicans think a timeline is ridiculous, it is QUITE possible your son, nephew, cousin, family member will be SENT off to batttle to die! That is something the WAR HUNGRY Republicans have no problem with. Their boys had a choice to serve, and they will take our boys choice away. Sounds alot like them wanting to take away the choice of women to have control over their own bodies!
Sep 16, 2008 - 8:15 pm 71. newscaper:avoidswork said
“Potential life begins at conception. But as stated above, there is no guarantee that said potential life even gets a real shot at life b/c zygote does not implant OR may implant ectopically or in a fallopian tube. In any of those circumstances, that potential life will never come to fruition.”
That’s nearly the same as “There’s no guarantee old people will survive pneumonia, so it’s ok to go ahead and euthanize grandma now.”
FWIW I support first trimester right to an abortion, but with a very thorny lesser- of-two-evils aspect. It absolutely *is* a moral issue, but one where the tradeoffs are too personal to want the government heavily involved in. The “just a lump of tissue” crowd are repellent — that proto-person is worthy of some consideration in the moral calculus even if, objectively, not the same weight as a fully sentient grown woman. In purely objective terms, the focus on implantation is a red herring — implantation has zero to do with the fact that a zygote already has a complete, distinct and unique *human* genetic identity — that sucker IS on the way to being a walking,talking, thinking ‘person’ barring misfortune.
I think the proper approach may be one similar to alcohol policy — legal but somewhat discouraged. The Democrat “safe, legal and rare” mantra is a total farce as they fight tooth and nail over issues at the margin: minors getting abortions without parental consent (or court order), and “partial birth”. Or perhaps a short waiting period after counseling (which might require offering some information on alternatives).
You can argue women have a right to an abortion, but there is not much real argument for the proposition that policy must not do anything that might give them second thoughts about it or ‘upset’ them – funny that feminists effectively resort to that last objection. (BTW, you won’t fins squat for well rounded info on the Planned Parenthood website — I spent a few hours checking it for myself last year, and you couldn’t even find so much as a line drawing depicting a ‘fetus’ inside the mother’s uterus — nothing at all to give the marks any reason to doubt, and that was in the section putatively about *pregnancy* rather than family planning.)
Giving ground in those areas (even just the first two – parental consent for minors & partial birth) would satisfy the majority of people who are actually in the middle on this issue.
P.S.
Sep 16, 2008 - 8:51 pm 72. Ed Wallis:If you caught women off guard and asked if a doctor should be able to perform breast augmentation surgery on their 16yo daughters w/o their consent and I guaran-damn-te you there views would be 180degrees out form what they claim for ten abortions (where they’re really trying to control what *other* parents do.)
WOW. Sounds like “Kat” (8:15pm) really cares about protecting children from getting killed in war :
“All the mothers of boys, no matter what the age, even those not even conceived yet…”
…except for the part when she gets to choose to kill them off herself first… :
“Sounds alot like them wanting to take away the choice of women to have control over their own bodies!”
Stay calm, “Kat.” I’ve called the ambulance, and everything should be juuuuuuuuussssssst fine on the happy farm.
Hysteria, or Astroturf “caring” writers? YOU decide!
Sep 16, 2008 - 9:09 pm 73. Another View:Bernard Chapin:
Friends and leftists, thanks so much for reading my piece.
Bernard we once had a email exchange where you said you love all people. And I was full of hate.
You see Bernie my friends are from the left and right.You are blinded by your neo-con idealolgy. Not conservative values. Neo-con fascism.
And It’s not feminism. It’s the simple fact Palin is a stone cold liar.
Sep 17, 2008 - 6:17 am 74. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Fisking the Kat
She’s welcome to say whatever she wants. It’s a free country. However, allow me to point out some ignorance on her part.
We have all the manpower we need to fight any war necessary. It’s just that they are not ‘organized’ at this time. And we can thank the Clinton administration for decimating the standing forces during the 1990s to the point that we have to rely so heavily on the reserve components.
Kat, the Ignorant, doesn’t seem to recognize that these casualties are lower than any other war we’ve ever been involved with in modern times. Indeed, I think the only war that might have had fewer was either the War of 1812 or the Mexican-American War. And I consider them non-modern.
During the first daylight hours of the invasion of Normandy in WWII, we sustained 5000 dead. To save ungrateful Frenchmen….for cry’n out loud. But maybe they’re coming around.
Actually, I think she’s projecting here. Sometimes war in necessary. Look at WWII. And it took a lot more than this one has.
Additionally, think how if the rest of the world had stopped Hitler at Rhineland and Sudetenland, WWII would not have happened IN THE FIRST PLACE. So Kat the Ignorant REALLY wants to get a LOT MORE PEOPLE KILLED. Despite her claims to the contrary.
Wrong. The draft is not the only course of action. It would be better to build-up several more divisions.
Wrong again. There are always timelines in any planning process. But in a war you don’t tell your enemy what you’re planning to do.
I mean….we’re talking SERIOUS ‘ignorance’ here.
More ignorance. Case in point, last week it came out that twice as many people were murdered in Chicago this Summer than were killed in combat in Iraq.
The only people want more war are the ignorant people like Kat who don’t remember their history. As if they were taught it by the vaunted American public education system in the first place.
I wonder how many boys were murdered by their own mothers. Indeed, considering the stats, more boys were murdered by their own mothers in the last three and half decades than were killed in ALL OUR WARS.
If Kat wants to know who the real killers are. She should look in her mirror. So the truth of the matter is that Kat doesn’t really care for her ‘boys’. She only cares about herself.
Like I said….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 17, 2008 - 8:04 am 75. Chuck Pelto:[The most dangerous place to live in America is a selfish woman’s womb.]
TO: All
RE: Another [Ignorant] View
Look whose talking.
We’ve seen this tripe already in this thread and Dr. Helen’s down the hall from here. And it’s been refuted time and time again. But these people don’t care about that.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 17, 2008 - 8:13 am 76. tanstaafl:[One 'progressive' tells a lie and a thousand repeat it as the truth. -- Ben Franklin (updated)]
(…a caveat, I’m not speaking of all women who call themselves feminists.)
…for the proposition that policy must not do anything that might give them second thoughts about it or ‘upset’ them …BTW, you won’t find squat for well rounded info on the Planned Parenthood website…
Combine this with a paucity of “feminist” agitation for their sisters throughout the world being subjected to fierce and ugly horrors (see stoning, flogging and/or hanging when you are raped by an uncle or strangulation or shooting when you “dishonor” your papa by refusing to submit to an arranged marriage…), and you cut to the chase of (much of) modern feminism.
On the one hand, it isn’t about saving a child or educating the k-nocked up teenager as to her alternatives. On the other hand, it isn’t about outrage being perpetrated on sisters in foreign (and not so foreign, see GB, Italy, Canada, the US…) countries.
It (as has been noted above) is essentially about me, myself, and I. As such, it’s about defensive posturing, a complete attitude of you can’t do this to me thing.
Ipso facto
, much of the posturing of modern feminism is a weakish, chip on the shoulder thing.
Sarah Palin doesn’t identify with that sort of feminism when she refers to herself as a “feminist”.
Sep 17, 2008 - 9:46 am 77. Ed Wallis:Chuck P. 8:04am –
To add to your picking apart of “Kat”, please also remember that – regarding “the WAR HUNGRY Republicans” – it was Zerobama who said he would invade Pakistan unilaterally to get terrorists.
Sep 17, 2008 - 10:35 am 78. Chuck Pelto:TO: Ed Wallis
RE: Yeah….But….
….I seriously doubt his veracity. After all, he flip-flops faster than Kerry did.
I call it lying. But most others are more polite than I am on such matters.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 17, 2008 - 10:46 am 79. Bernard Chapin:[Fib, n., A lie that hasn't cut its teeth yet.]
Another View, you told a blatant lie. I definitely never said anything like that. That is the problem with political leftists–they’ll lie about anything and everything. What I said was that God doesn’t want me to hate anyone. I believe that. That’s 5000 miles from saying I love everyone. I do not. The best I can do is tolerate those I dislike which I happily do. I avoid leftists when I can as I believe in freedom of association. Please stop lying about me and every other matter while you’re at it. As for you, you probably are full of hate, so my condolences.
Sep 17, 2008 - 10:47 am 80. Ed Wallis:Dear “Chuck P.” 10:46am –
…maybe it was Zerobama’s “Dukakis Tank” moment? I mean, the pretend huffing and puffing can make his styrofoam muscles only so big…heh. (at least they match the doric columns)
Sep 17, 2008 - 11:36 am 81. Shellbell:Wow, when I first saw Palin I was excited. I love her wit and her sarcasim, I love that she can shoot a gun, look cute in glasses and has the platform we all wish we had to institute her agenda. At the same time, I hate her for all her beauty and admiration. I wish she didn’t exist, no…I wish I existed as she did. I wish I had the world listening to me. I wish I could walk out on stage and turn this country upside down. For that yes you could call it hate but it isnt really that. I don’t hate her. I secretly love her, I watch her endlessly like everyone else looking for something that maybe I could copy to get center stage like that so that what I believe mattered to people. And when I realize I will never be a Sarah Palin, then it would be easier for her to just not exist. It would be easier for me to jump on the band wagon and put her down, exile her and make her disappear. It has nothing to do with being left or right. It is a battle us woman go through every time we come across another female. We size them up and if they come out ahead, we bring them down. These poor men here, with their savy quotes stolen from people ten times their superior and a little bit of book smarts that make them sound intelligent maybe just need a good dose of darwinism. You can sum it up to some fancy leftist feminist nazis planned movement to spread evil but that really shows everyone’s ignorance. It is pure and simple human nature. Get over it. It’s the same reason you boy’s can’t stand that good looking, charming, intelligent man Obama rising up the ranks. He intimidates you and your jealous. Show me one good looking male republican and I’ll show you a good looking feminist.
That being said, Palin is not a truth telling washington outsider, and damn is it fun to watch her work the good ol’ boys! It’s one thing for the RNC to claim she’s an outside maverick, it’s another to buy it up and repeat it as truth. For that, i truly admire her even more….I hate that. Not because I’m feminist, not because I do or don’t believe in abortion, not because I’m a leftist nazi whatever insulting name you intellects have come up with to make yourselves feel better about yourselves, but because I am a jealous woman. BUT…that doesn’t make her the right choice and anyone who puts another down for their belief’s whether common or otherwise, should take responsibility for your own actions.
Let’s see how I do with quotes: A lie well stuck to is as good as the truth. And republicans can sure stick to a lie. The fact that a person can change their point of view, can receive and process new information leading to a new belief is quite refreshing to me. Some may call it flip flopping I call it growth. Good for that person that can change their views when given better information. But sticking to your guns regardless of any new facts, well I’m sure that serves some positive purpose as well.
Sep 17, 2008 - 1:22 pm 82. Mary Jackson:When Margaret Thatcher, bless her, became Prime Minister in the UK, the feminists were silent. Says it all.
Sep 17, 2008 - 2:41 pm 83. PinotNoir:Palin is ALREADY swimming in scandal and lies! She made people sign loyalty oaths. She fired anyone that didn’t bow down to her power. I guess, that she too, is the DECIDER!
Sep 17, 2008 - 2:42 pm 84. Shellbell:Nothing about Palin is PRO-WOMAN.
What kind of MONSTER makes rape victims pay for rape kits? The same kind of monster that would expect a rape victim to birth a child from the crime.
Who’s margaret thatcher?
Sep 17, 2008 - 3:00 pm 85. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Another PinotNoir Mindset
Sounds like what the Clintons did when they took over the White House.
So what’s his complaint?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:41 pm 86. Chuck Pelto:[Where there is no religion, hypocrisy becomes good taste.]
TO: All
RE: Shellbell’s Education
I guess she hasn’t got to the age where they teach World History.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:45 pm 87. Ed Wallis:[Everything has its limit - iron ore cannot be educated into gold. -- Mark Twain]
MARY J 2:41pm –
Do tell (give us a good pint, it’s too watery over here…) – please elaborate on why you consider former PM Thatcher such an icon (exceptional: good, bad, warts and all…in retrospect). We have “our” reasons from this side. I ask with respect, only to hear your perspective. Thank you.
Sep 17, 2008 - 5:47 pm 88. Nunya:“Again, I strongly believe it is a personal decision. Not one that should be made for me. Hence pro-CHOICE.”
So you’re pro-choice, kinda like your ilk respected Sarah Palin’s choice to KEEP Trig? — http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2008/09/17/objectivist-writer-trig-palin-financial-burden-who-should-have-been-abo#comments
Gotcha.
Sep 17, 2008 - 11:47 pm 89. Nunya:“Show me one good looking male republican and I’ll show you a good looking feminist.”
Tom Selleck (YUM!)
Bruce Willis
Dean Cain (double YUM!)
Stephen Baldwin
Gary Sinise
Rick Schroeder
Tony Danza
Denzel Washington
Glenn Beck
George W. Bush
Pat Boone
Sean Hannity
Dennis Miller
Oliver North
Rush Limbaugh (taste being subjective)
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Chuck Norris
Your turn.
Sep 18, 2008 - 12:01 am 90. Javelin:“However, both of these contentions are wrong. Big Feminism promotes statism, political correctness, misandry, contempt for our country, anti-Caucasian racism, ”
Sep 18, 2008 - 9:11 am 91. Ed Wallis:Utter BS. So now the right is acting like they are both the party of feminists and blacks?
C’mon, Jav-y Baby, you’re lookin’ beauuuuuuuutiful today, but yer gettin’ too much sun on your suntanning bed.
“The party of feminists and blacks” is OF COURSE the DEMOCRAT Party…the Party of “identity politics”…of “skin color victim trumps gender victim”…just NOT A PARTY OF PLAIN OL’ PEOPLE People!
Sep 18, 2008 - 11:41 am 92. KDawg:Two of Hollywood’s biggest morons have spoken out against Sarah Palin: Lindsay Lohan and Pam Anderson.
It only makes sense that stupid celebrities are speaking out against her.
Sep 18, 2008 - 11:54 am 93. Rubicon:Palin did NOT say we should go to war with Russia. Palin said…. “IF” Georgia was a member of NATO then we would have to go to war along with the other members of NATO to honor our obligations to protect NATO members. This lie has been circulated all over the internet.
Sep 18, 2008 - 11:55 am 94. Shellbell:Palin answered this question the exact same way everyone else has answered it & she did so without a moments hesitation. No one has advocated unilateral attack of Russia, other than the Georgian President, & his position is somewhat understandable, eh!?
Direct any of us to an actual site where we can view these “loyalty oaths.” If Alaskans working for Palin signed anything, they were the standard state non disclosure agreements. If you had ever worked for government, in any sensitive position, you would know all are expected to sign documents affirming your loyalty to “THE NATION” and to affirm you will keep secret that which the government has deemed secret for security purposes. Gosh, even when they received national security briefings, Joe Biden & Barack Obama had to sign these exact same papers! At one point I got stuck signing papers to confirm I had signed papers confirming I had signed papers. Typical bureaucratic nonsense!
The right does not speak for the feminists who have been howling since Palin’s selection. Those feminists speak for themselves alone as has been shown in previous posts here. As for Blacks, I would never assume we speak for blacks. However, lest one forgets, it was Republicans who demanded an end to slavery.
As a for instance, read about men like Thaddeus Stevens, the 1860’s era PA legislator who was rabid anti-slavery & who fought for equal rights up to his death. Democrats of the day hated him. Democrats have won black support by making promises. Yet the true question based on results is, have they really delivered anything of real benefit to blacks? I think not!
A) Margarat Thatcher…just a joke sorry trying to lighten the mood…guess that’s impossible over here in Repubby land B) Thanks for the list, but some (all) of those choices are a stretch to say the least. I guess if you went with all of those people 20 years ago that list would fly. But otherwise, mmm…not so much. MAYBE Rick Schroeder.
Sep 18, 2008 - 3:34 pm 95. Chuck Pelto:TO: Shellbell
RE: That’s the Problem….
….with ‘Progressives’ they have a stunted sense of humor. It doesn’t apply to anyone outside their own, inbred group-think mentality.
You need to get out more often.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 18, 2008 - 3:44 pm 96. Chuck Pelto:[Oh I get it...like humor...but different.]
TO: All
RE: Shellbell’s Education Level
Sounds like my understanding of her education is pretty close to accurate.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 18, 2008 - 3:51 pm 97. mary:[To penetrate and dissipate these clouds of darkness, the general mind must be strengthened by education. -- Thomas Jefferson]
oh for the day when a man can be violently raped and become pregnant. then we’ll see how fast you hypocrites change your tune. p.s. be sure to save some money to pay for your own rape kit when the police interogate you, you slut who probably asked for it. I’ll post off now, as reading you supposed ‘Christians’ hate filled crap is making me ill. The Republican party (puppet mastered by Corporate America) figured you people out years ago — those right wing Christians don’t give a damn about the economy, health care, education, outsourcing of jobs to India/China, destroying our God-given environment, factory farms, WAR, or any other issue – as long as we keep em distracted on Abortion and Gays. Honestly, most of you are so sex-obsessed, it makes one wonder.
Sep 18, 2008 - 4:43 pm 98. Ed Wallis:HEY “Mary”!
THANKS for the Golden Oldies RERUN!
I remember having that line thrown at me in the early ’70’s!
..oh yeah, your bitterness (…ha!) is A CLASSIC, too.
Kisses, sweetie!
Sep 19, 2008 - 3:15 am 99. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Another Gutless….
….Does a Drive-Thru Shooting and skidadles.
And people wonder why this thread is titled ‘Sham of Feminism’.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. -- President Harry S. Truman; the Last Good Democrat]
P.S. And stop shooting the cooks…..it interferes with preparation…..
Sep 19, 2008 - 4:50 am 100. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: mary Maniacdelene
The Republican party (puppet mastered by Corporate America) figured you people out years ago….– mary
We’ve got some SERIOUS projection going on here. And mary, who thinks Corporate America controls Republicans, seems to forget how Raines and Johnson and Gorelick have, in my considered opinion, ripped off TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars via their ‘management’—what a laugh—of Fannie Mae. And they’re ALL Democrats. And TWO OF THEM are on Obama’s team of ‘advisors’.
Sheesh. What maniacal projection.
Yeah. Right. We all live in it. And I sort of resent how I’m now buying a piece of thousands of homes based on loan programs the Clinton administration implemented. And when McCain gave a warning in 2005 that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were playing fast and loose with their books, the Democrat-controlled Congress turned a deaf ear.
The only people who REALLY don’t care about the economy are the people like mary, whose irrational maniacal hatred—yes ‘hatred’, as she projects that too—of anything that says their darlings of the Clintons and the Obamas are wrong, interferes with any rational discussion of reality.
We care. We care NOT to have to suffer under the sort of government-mismanaged health care we see going on in Canada, England and New Zealand.
We care about government malfeasance as it relates to organizations like the FDA.
We care that a quart of slightly salty water costs $200+ in a hospital.
We care that much of the future generation, as epitomized by her, can’t do anything but piss and moan, let alone discuss and reason.
The Democrat-oriented unions did that to themselves.
For someone who doesn’t believe in God in the first place, this is rather funny.
Let her eat of the sweat of her own brow.
Without war, the blacks would STILL BE SLAVES. All the Hebrews would be dead. Kuwait would be under Saddam Hussein. Imperial Japanese forces would still be slaughtering the Chinese and forcing Korean women into brothels.
Sure, there are bad wars. Wars driven strictly by greed and envy. But just because there are bad ones doesn’t mean there are not good ones.
The only ones who seem ‘distracted’—to the point of mania—are the likes of mary and Kate.
People like her are the ones who seem ‘sex-obsessed’. And, yes….it makes me wonder. But it does go hand-in-hand with the desire to keep their ability to murder children for their own selfish sake.
We care about all these things. And we’re willing to discuss them to come to a rational answer for each of them. But irrational people like mary and Kat don’t seem to be capable of what any reasonable person would call ‘rational discussion’. Instead, they fly in, fire off a few ‘rounds’ in a haphazard manner, and then fly away. Like so many demented Harpies.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.]
P.S. I think there is a double-entendre in that statement. And the second meaning is VERY profound.
Sep 19, 2008 - 5:15 am 101. tanstaafl:It is a battle us woman go through every time we come across another female. We size them up and if they come out ahead, we bring them down.
Don’t kick the cat, Shellbell Palin Pick Puts Many Women on the Verge
Get over it. It’s the same reason you boy’s can’t stand that good looking, charming, intelligent man Obama rising up the ranks. He intimidates you and your (sic) jealous…Good for that person that can change their views when given better information.
No comment on the good looking thing
On the flip flopping, Barack has been all over every side of everything, as a matter of weakness of mind and weakness of character.
And what the audience “at hand” might want to hear.
I hope this helps.
Sep 19, 2008 - 9:01 am 102. tanstaafl:…the Republican party…don’t give a damn about the economy, health care, education, outsourcing of jobs to India/China, destroying our God-given environment, factory farms, WAR, or any other issue – as long as we keep em distracted on Abortion and Gays
Honestly, some of you people have been so well schooled in “the mantra” and regurgitate it so consistently and so flawlessly, it makes the hair curl.
BTW, for the record, the emphasis and re-emphasis on “gays” during Bill Clinton’s tenure was completely unprecedented in national politics. I guess (like bombing the aspirin factory) it was a good “distraction” from other difficulties the poor dear was experiencing.
Sep 19, 2008 - 9:09 am 103. Chuck Pelto:TO: Shellbell
RE: Jealous? Moi!!??!?!?
Good looking? Hardly. I’m better looking than he is. And I’ve got several women who’ve told me as much.
Intelligent? Show me his Mensa membership. And I’ll call him, ‘bro’.
Charming? Well….he may have it there. But I can speak lucidly without a teleprompter. So, if you want him to charm you on the dance floor, wear a brace so he can mount it on your back.
Intimidating? HAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHHAHAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA….
….that pencil-neck couldn’t go 1 mile with a full pack and combat load. We’d probably have to CARRY his scrawny fourth-point-of-contact out the door of a C130 during an insertion.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 19, 2008 - 9:25 am 104. tanstaafl:P.S. Tell me when he gets himself jumpmaster qualified or a Ranger tab.
…how Raines and Johnson and Gorelick have, in my considered opinion, ripped off TENS OF MILLIONS of dollars via their ‘management’—what a laugh—of Fannie Mae. And they’re ALL Democrats. And TWO OF THEM are on Obama’s team of ‘advisors’.
While, (reportedly…)
The top three U.S. senators getting big Fannie and Freddie political bucks were Democrats and No. 2 is Sen. Barack Obama.
Now remember, he’s only been in the Senate* four years, but he still managed to grab the No. 2 spot ahead of John Kerry — decades in the Senate — and Chris Dodd, who is chairman of the Senate Banking Committee.
*Well, not actually “in” the Senate since Obama has missed over 60% of Senate votes since undertaking his quest for President something like 20 months ago.
Sep 19, 2008 - 9:31 am 105. Citykin:“Oil and coal? Of course, it’s a fungible commodity and they don’t flag, you know, the molecules, where it’s going and where it’s not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first,” Palin said. “So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it’s Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It’s got to flow into our domestic markets first.”-Energy Expert Palin
Sep 19, 2008 - 9:50 am 106. Ed Wallis:Ahh yes. Obama on abortion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc
Sep 19, 2008 - 10:51 am 107. Chuck Pelto:TO: tanstaafl
RE: That Long, Eh?
Well….I’m reminded of THIS quote….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 19, 2008 - 11:22 am 108. Jane Boucher:[Anyone who doesn't take truth seriously in small matters cannot be trusted in large ones either. -- Albert Einstein]
I would really like to have info on Sarah Palins educational achievements, the grades she got in college etc. Sorry to say this she seems dumb to me, my nieces and nephews have A better education, Am I wrong , did she get all A’S. or just got by in college. THANKS.
Sep 19, 2008 - 12:55 pm 109. Chuck Pelto:TO: Jane Boucher
RE: Funny
I never knew that getting great grades in college was a pre-requisite for being smart….as opposed to dumb.
I recall that Steve Wozniak, co-founder of Apple Computer didn’t get a college degree until AFTER he became a millionaire by inventing the Apple Computer.
Then there’s Albert Einstein who said….
I heard her talk to Charlie and she’d won that debate; on args as well as presentation. And that was just their edited version. That seems pretty ’smart’ to me, as I’ve judged high school debate tournaments—including national qualification competitions—for years.
There are myriad peoples who are VERY smart and NEVER got a college degree. I know junkyard owners/operators who are members of Mensa. Are YOU a member of Mensa? How about your nieces and nephews? What about your own children?
So why this petty one-ups[wo]manship? Jealousy?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Cauliflower is nothing but cabbage with a college education. -- Mark Twain]
P.S. Sounds pretty ‘dumb’, doesn’t he…..
Sep 19, 2008 - 1:45 pm 110. Kelly:Jane Boucher….are you serious? You just let everyone know how stupid you really are. Some of the most smart people in the world have never been to college. Then there are those who have gotten all A’s in school and can’t tie their shoe laces or button up a shirt. Get real lady.
Sep 19, 2008 - 8:18 pm 111. Ed Wallis:To add to Chuck and Kelly,
Jane…and just WHY is it that Zerobama has been LESS THAN FORTHCOMING on so much of HIS past information? THAT doesn’t seem to concern you….
Sep 20, 2008 - 3:49 am 112. bmc:This feminist and former Democrat is voting for McCain/Palin in November. The arguments from the left, particularly from women on the left, are absurd and, in some recent cases, like Bernhardt and Cho, alarmingly vile. The louder these faux “feminists” shriek, the more I am horrified by them, the more resolved I am to NOT be associated with them. The Democratic Party’s scam against women has been exposed, uncovered, revealed. And, what’s behind the curtain is an ugly sight. Liberal women making jokes about a gang-rape of Palin; women exposing their vile sexual fantasies about Palin, women advocating violence against a woman who is a sitting Governor of a state. Yet, the Democratic Party says nothing; Obama says nothing. This is what Democrats want more of in our political and national discourse? Shame on Steinem, and Bernhardt, Cho, CodePink and the rest. They deserve to be condemned by any reasonable person or party. I am completely disgusted by the Democrats. That’s why I’m voting McCain/Palin–the only sane, mature adults in this campaign.
Sep 20, 2008 - 7:18 am 113. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Jane Boucher and ‘Liars’?
Why is it that Jane has not responded to the responses presented to her of her challenge in this venue?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 20, 2008 - 2:24 pm 114. judith:[Liars will say anything....that they are not required to support with evidence.]
Iam amused at the diatribe being bantered back and forth among you all regarding Sarah and her “First Dude”. Unfortunately, you only know what you are being force-fed by the RNC. The library incident is true. For those of us who are Alaskans and who remember the scandal, your denial of same is pathetic. We know all about Sarah. It would take many columns of information to enlighten you and that is not my intention. You’re going to vote for whomever you wish. However, remember the old adage, “be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it.” All I ask is that you know whereof you speak without spilling drivel about Sarah Palin and her self-righteousness. She’s a dangerous reactionary and we should be very afraid of her going anywhere near the white house. You might want to look at the most recent demonstration in Alaska where 1,500 to 2,000 people protested about her. Hmmm, but you should know better than we, after all if the RNC said it, it must be true.
Sep 23, 2008 - 12:45 pm 115. Dr. Mark:Pat Napolitano…..to paraphrase Sen. Lloyd Benson..”you are no republican”. You are just a “seminar” poster. Palin is new to the game, but so was a haberdasher named Harry S. Truman (back when demos were still patriots). She will ripen politically and holds the traditional values that “republicans” like you have abandoned. Values are supreme and the morally bankrupt democrat party is going to handed a loss of a magnitude in November they could never have imagined. Why? Because in the end good will vanquish evil.
Sep 29, 2008 - 10:58 am 116. Dr. Mark:Judith, you are spewing the the propaganda of the DNC. Palin a reactionary? My God, the Dems are running a flagrant socialist who believes that a baby can be a “punishment”. Barrack Obama is the most liberal senator (when he was actually in chambers and not campaigning)in the last 50 yrs. Self-righteousness? That arrogant puppy looking “down his nose” at McCain during the debate will be a fiasco if placed in office. WOW, 1,500 people protested, must have been expensive to fly them in from Haight-Ashbury. She was greeting by 50,000 in Florida. What the libs are really nervous about is a woman who speaks against their sacrament of abortion…what a shame if people had to take some measure of responsibility for the actions! Oh, I forgot, that is was FannyMae is there for (at least in housing market).
Sep 29, 2008 - 11:07 am 117. Howard:It never ceases to amaze me how Obama supporters focus on what they call Palin’s lack of credentials for the number two spot, when Obama’s lack of credentials for the number one spot are much, much more troublesome. Palin governed an entire state, fought corruption, and got a 9 billion dollar energy pipeline project in the works. Obama spent TWENTY YEARS … yes, that’s TWENTY YEARS, as a follower of Jeremiah Wright’s racist, anti-American, Black Liberation Theology church. As a community organizer, Obama registered thousands of new voters, then used technicalities to rob his political opponents of their place on the ticket and robbed those same voters he registered, of their chance to vote, when he ran for election. Then, as a U.S. Senator of Illinois, Obama spent the first two years voting present 160 times, and never calling a meeting of the Afghanistan committee he chaired. Obama spent the next year, once again on the campaign trail running for President. Obama’s foreign policy experience consists of a 9 day whirlwind photo op visiting 6 countries. Since Obama has such a thin resume to run on, he has spent most of his campaign apologizing for America, blaming everyone else for a litany of problems, and calling his opponents racists. If it wasn’t for Obama getting 96% of the black vote, the mainstream media, who is totally in the tank for him, plus support from a bunch of spoiled elitist celebrities, plus Obama’s ability to dramatically outspend both Hillary and McCain, he wouldn’t be able to get elected to dog catcher.
Sep 30, 2008 - 2:32 pm