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		<title>By: John Kuklidas</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sarah-palins-baby-and-the-rights-of-the-disabled/comment-page-2/#comment-340091</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kuklidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dafloyd:You want to kill the disabled slowly by not educating them and not allowing to learn  the skills they need to earn money. Without money you starve to death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dafloyd:You want to kill the disabled slowly by not educating them and not allowing to learn  the skills they need to earn money. Without money you starve to death.</p>
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		<title>By: scecil</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/sarah-palins-baby-and-the-rights-of-the-disabled/comment-page-2/#comment-134391</link>
		<dc:creator>scecil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When a person is deemed unworthy of life because of a below average IQ score, and perhaps because they look different from others, then we have become a really ugly society?  (And I am not including in here IQ stats of Down Syndrome people as compared to other factions of our society because then I would defintely be attacked though I am only a messenger.)
And then on top of this, it&#039;s not enough that these loudmouths already have their totally unconstitutional Roe v. Wade, now they have the audacity to make judgments about whether other people&#039;s babies are worthy of life. 

The truth is that there are huge portions of our society that fall into the below average IQ range (even without a detectable chromosomal condition).  And I did notice that one of the comments gave costliness as a rationale for the slaughter of our disabled population as well -- but I do believe that there are factions of our society that are a greater drain on our goverment&#039;s budget due to the need for support and the inability to effectively contribute to society and to the economy.  So, if we&#039;re going to start using such criteria for whether individuals should live or die, we are really going down a very heinous path.

Now, I&#039;m pointing this out, but I am not advocating it -- I am for life -- I am from the party that came out of a movement that believed that every single human being is a child of God created equally.  The party I stand with was formed centuries ago fighting for such a cause, and we still believe it today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When a person is deemed unworthy of life because of a below average IQ score, and perhaps because they look different from others, then we have become a really ugly society?  (And I am not including in here IQ stats of Down Syndrome people as compared to other factions of our society because then I would defintely be attacked though I am only a messenger.)<br />
And then on top of this, it&#8217;s not enough that these loudmouths already have their totally unconstitutional Roe v. Wade, now they have the audacity to make judgments about whether other people&#8217;s babies are worthy of life. </p>
<p>The truth is that there are huge portions of our society that fall into the below average IQ range (even without a detectable chromosomal condition).  And I did notice that one of the comments gave costliness as a rationale for the slaughter of our disabled population as well &#8212; but I do believe that there are factions of our society that are a greater drain on our goverment&#8217;s budget due to the need for support and the inability to effectively contribute to society and to the economy.  So, if we&#8217;re going to start using such criteria for whether individuals should live or die, we are really going down a very heinous path.</p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m pointing this out, but I am not advocating it &#8212; I am for life &#8212; I am from the party that came out of a movement that believed that every single human being is a child of God created equally.  The party I stand with was formed centuries ago fighting for such a cause, and we still believe it today.</p>
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		<title>By: momof3girls</title>
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		<dc:creator>momof3girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may not be as well versed as some of you but what I have to say to all of you leftist and undecided relion haters is this- you can believe what you want,yes. The truth of the matter IS that if you do not wake up, some day you WILL be judged, believe it or not, but you will believe it then standing before your maker. He will deny knowing you as you have him and the words of those &quot;crazy religious freaks&quot; will eternally ring in your ears! Consider yourself warned</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may not be as well versed as some of you but what I have to say to all of you leftist and undecided relion haters is this- you can believe what you want,yes. The truth of the matter IS that if you do not wake up, some day you WILL be judged, believe it or not, but you will believe it then standing before your maker. He will deny knowing you as you have him and the words of those &#8220;crazy religious freaks&#8221; will eternally ring in your ears! Consider yourself warned</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin, please take a look at this link below—

http://howinsaneisjohnmccain.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-scandals-complete-list.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a more compelling look at Sarah Palin, please take a look at this link below—</p>
<p><a href="http://howinsaneisjohnmccain.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-scandals-complete-list.html" rel="nofollow">http://howinsaneisjohnmccain.blogspot.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-scandals-complete-list.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dotte</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dotte</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 23:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will not give Palin any credit for what she said she will do for special needs children since she now has one.  What was her stance prior to the convention?  ALL credit goes to and should go to the Kennedy&#039;s and their great work with such programs, especially the Special Olympics.  Maybe, she did not know this.  Pres,  Reagan took away a lot of the needs such as transportation to and fro to workshops which gave retarded kids a means of work and recreation.  Without the transportation they could not attend.  I know what the Republicans can do to such programs because I witnessed such unkind deed done to my sister-in-law, who is retarded.  She is a sham and need to stay home with her special needs child like a REAL mom would do, and not a father or siblings who she will depend upon.  What does it profit a man to win the world and lose his soul.  I am a woman and a REAL mom.  There are things which we, as women need to do as a woman, such as give birth, nuture (breast feed) which a man cannot do and no one expect him to.  GOD made women for certain deeds, and if not--there would not be a reason for a man/woman.  Only, one species would do.  If she is real Christian, then she needs to Walk and Talk like one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will not give Palin any credit for what she said she will do for special needs children since she now has one.  What was her stance prior to the convention?  ALL credit goes to and should go to the Kennedy&#8217;s and their great work with such programs, especially the Special Olympics.  Maybe, she did not know this.  Pres,  Reagan took away a lot of the needs such as transportation to and fro to workshops which gave retarded kids a means of work and recreation.  Without the transportation they could not attend.  I know what the Republicans can do to such programs because I witnessed such unkind deed done to my sister-in-law, who is retarded.  She is a sham and need to stay home with her special needs child like a REAL mom would do, and not a father or siblings who she will depend upon.  What does it profit a man to win the world and lose his soul.  I am a woman and a REAL mom.  There are things which we, as women need to do as a woman, such as give birth, nuture (breast feed) which a man cannot do and no one expect him to.  GOD made women for certain deeds, and if not&#8211;there would not be a reason for a man/woman.  Only, one species would do.  If she is real Christian, then she needs to Walk and Talk like one.</p>
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		<title>By: gus3</title>
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		<dc:creator>gus3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@sharonsj:

The standard-bearers of the &quot;pro-choice&quot; crowd have a pathetic understanding of just what &quot;choice&quot; means:

http://gus3.typepad.com/i_am_therefore_i_think/2005/08/clueless_planne.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@sharonsj:</p>
<p>The standard-bearers of the &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; crowd have a pathetic understanding of just what &#8220;choice&#8221; means:</p>
<p><a href="http://gus3.typepad.com/i_am_therefore_i_think/2005/08/clueless_planne.html" rel="nofollow">http://gus3.typepad.com/i_am_therefore_i_think/2005/08/clueless_planne.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Willie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharonsj:

&quot;humans kill each other and everything else on a daily...&quot;

If I understand you correctly, then abortion is o.k. too?

Might I remind you that there are laws against killing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharonsj:</p>
<p>&#8220;humans kill each other and everything else on a daily&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>If I understand you correctly, then abortion is o.k. too?</p>
<p>Might I remind you that there are laws against killing.</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@soccermom: adoption has it&#039;s own difficulties and there are plenty of kids out there for adoption that are in no way able to fit into a normal family either because they are too old to grow up normal now.  

You can argue that we ought to take kids off their moms at birth, but in the UK we have young moms flee to Ireland because social services has adoption targets and will steal babies off moms with a history, regardless of how justified it is.

See here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051180/Mum-run-Pregnant-teen-flees-Ireland-escape-social-workers-fears-baby.html

As I said, this is the kind of game that everyone loses, all the time.  If you are in the UK -- how can you even adopt a baby knowing that you may be stealing someone&#039;s child?  This is just one case of many :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@soccermom: adoption has it&#8217;s own difficulties and there are plenty of kids out there for adoption that are in no way able to fit into a normal family either because they are too old to grow up normal now.  </p>
<p>You can argue that we ought to take kids off their moms at birth, but in the UK we have young moms flee to Ireland because social services has adoption targets and will steal babies off moms with a history, regardless of how justified it is.</p>
<p>See here: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051180/Mum-run-Pregnant-teen-flees-Ireland-escape-social-workers-fears-baby.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1051180/Mum-run-Pregnant-teen-flees-Ireland-escape-social-workers-fears-baby.html</a></p>
<p>As I said, this is the kind of game that everyone loses, all the time.  If you are in the UK &#8212; how can you even adopt a baby knowing that you may be stealing someone&#8217;s child?  This is just one case of many <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: cedarford</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bullfrog - &lt;i&gt;So you believe life begins when?&lt;/i&gt;

Always the argument RTL religious fanatics retreat to. The zygote of the fertilized egg is by their logic indistinguishable from the viable form of life because it too is alive and genetically indistinguishable.

By RTL nutty reasoning, an ordance to prevent town oak trees would also have to be made to prevent every acorn from destruction because to a RTL fanatic, there is no difference between the two. Thus to a RTL fanatic, shooting squirrels to &quot;save the beautiful oak trees in acorn form&quot; makes perfect sense.

And that a old, all but dead oak or diseased young tree soon to die - should command equal town resources in their care and maintenance.

Life either began in primitive one-cell organisms that became more complex bacteria 2.6-3 billion years ago or when God breathed life  
into the 6,000 year old Earth. Take your pick. 
Human life started when the 1st distinct breeding population evolved from hominids and the process of new human life starts as a female spits eggs from her ovaries and the male produces testes. Or we can do the same thing by manipulating DNA in living human skin cells. 

There are a variety of ways to now create &quot;distinct human life&quot;. Science is figuring out more...as we can now insert or remove DNA from cells. Even add DNA from other species (create chimeras). 

Or in other species, &quot;start&quot; &lt;b&gt;precious life&lt;/b&gt; by dropping a chemical on, or mildly shocking with electricity - unfertilized eggs. 

Plus other critters that &quot;create precious babies&quot; by cell division, buds, switching sexes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bullfrog &#8211; <i>So you believe life begins when?</i></p>
<p>Always the argument RTL religious fanatics retreat to. The zygote of the fertilized egg is by their logic indistinguishable from the viable form of life because it too is alive and genetically indistinguishable.</p>
<p>By RTL nutty reasoning, an ordance to prevent town oak trees would also have to be made to prevent every acorn from destruction because to a RTL fanatic, there is no difference between the two. Thus to a RTL fanatic, shooting squirrels to &#8220;save the beautiful oak trees in acorn form&#8221; makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>And that a old, all but dead oak or diseased young tree soon to die &#8211; should command equal town resources in their care and maintenance.</p>
<p>Life either began in primitive one-cell organisms that became more complex bacteria 2.6-3 billion years ago or when God breathed life<br />
into the 6,000 year old Earth. Take your pick.<br />
Human life started when the 1st distinct breeding population evolved from hominids and the process of new human life starts as a female spits eggs from her ovaries and the male produces testes. Or we can do the same thing by manipulating DNA in living human skin cells. </p>
<p>There are a variety of ways to now create &#8220;distinct human life&#8221;. Science is figuring out more&#8230;as we can now insert or remove DNA from cells. Even add DNA from other species (create chimeras). </p>
<p>Or in other species, &#8220;start&#8221; <b>precious life</b> by dropping a chemical on, or mildly shocking with electricity &#8211; unfertilized eggs. </p>
<p>Plus other critters that &#8220;create precious babies&#8221; by cell division, buds, switching sexes.</p>
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		<title>By: Soccermom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soccermom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 17:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Women who are made to have kids they don’t want will hate them, and they won’t like to put the hard work to raise them properly either.&quot; so said an earlier poster.

Hmm, ever hear of adoption?????  Duh.  There is such a thing, you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Women who are made to have kids they don’t want will hate them, and they won’t like to put the hard work to raise them properly either.&#8221; so said an earlier poster.</p>
<p>Hmm, ever hear of adoption?????  Duh.  There is such a thing, you know.</p>
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