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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-244389</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: All
RE: I See It As....

....an interesting indicator that Scalia has not been very present in this discussion.

The implication being that if anyone opposes what she &#039;believes&#039;, she&#039;ll take her own advice and &#039;Shut Up&#039;!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Faith is more than mere words.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: All<br />
RE: I See It As&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;.an interesting indicator that Scalia has not been very present in this discussion.</p>
<p>The implication being that if anyone opposes what she &#8216;believes&#8217;, she&#8217;ll take her own advice and &#8216;Shut Up&#8217;!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[Faith is more than mere words.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-243030</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. And I&#039;m the guy to do it.....

P.P.S. Maybe I&#039;ll send her some nice chamomile tea. That should calm her down. I&#039;ll send her an envelope of loose leaf. That&#039;s the VERY best.....

...whether she calls in the HAZMAT team and sics the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Flowers) on me remains to be seen.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. And I&#8217;m the guy to do it&#8230;..</p>
<p>P.P.S. Maybe I&#8217;ll send her some nice chamomile tea. That should calm her down. I&#8217;ll send her an envelope of loose leaf. That&#8217;s the VERY best&#8230;..</p>
<p>&#8230;whether she calls in the HAZMAT team and sics the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Flowers) on me remains to be seen&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-243024</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Bilgeman
RE: Heh

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt; So I guess that puts you on Napolitano’s “Right Wing Extermist DOUBLE Secret Probation List”, huh?&lt;/i&gt; -- Bilgeman&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ToGA! ToGA! ToGA! ToGA!

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody&#039;s part.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Bilgeman<br />
RE: Heh</p>
<blockquote><p><i> So I guess that puts you on Napolitano’s “Right Wing Extermist DOUBLE Secret Probation List”, huh?</i> &#8212; Bilgeman</p></blockquote>
<p>ToGA! ToGA! ToGA! ToGA!</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-243017</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Bilgeman
RE: Heh

Recognizing the &#039;human factor&#039;? Now?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Israelites had faith; they tumbled a wall with a trumpet blast.&lt;/i&gt; -- Scalia, at her regular site&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So humans play a part after all? It wasn&#039;t the Holy Spirit that did it, there were people who marched and sang and sounded instruments as an integral part of the &#039;process&#039; to destroy Jericho. 

Nice of her to remember that.

How do WE figure into this?

I recall a report from the 1990s, where a group of REAL christians prayed outside an abortion clinic that it would cease its operations. 

A year later, the sisters who operated the murder mill died of cancer. 

Not that the praying christians asked for THAT particular solution. As I understand it, they just asked that the murders stop.

Afterwards, the story has spread amongs the christians that our actions do have a useful function. But are they limited to prayer alone? I hardly think so.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. By the way, the only Guy I know who was perfect got nailed to a tree for His temerity.....the powers that be in His time on this ball o dirt were jealous.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Bilgeman<br />
RE: Heh</p>
<p>Recognizing the &#8216;human factor&#8217;? Now?</p>
<blockquote><p><i>The Israelites had faith; they tumbled a wall with a trumpet blast.</i> &#8212; Scalia, at her regular site</p></blockquote>
<p>So humans play a part after all? It wasn&#8217;t the Holy Spirit that did it, there were people who marched and sang and sounded instruments as an integral part of the &#8216;process&#8217; to destroy Jericho. </p>
<p>Nice of her to remember that.</p>
<p>How do WE figure into this?</p>
<p>I recall a report from the 1990s, where a group of REAL christians prayed outside an abortion clinic that it would cease its operations. </p>
<p>A year later, the sisters who operated the murder mill died of cancer. </p>
<p>Not that the praying christians asked for THAT particular solution. As I understand it, they just asked that the murders stop.</p>
<p>Afterwards, the story has spread amongs the christians that our actions do have a useful function. But are they limited to prayer alone? I hardly think so.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. By the way, the only Guy I know who was perfect got nailed to a tree for His temerity&#8230;..the powers that be in His time on this ball o dirt were jealous&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chuck Pelto:
Re: Scalia

http://theanchoressonline.com/2009/04/16/he-says-it-so-much-better-than-i/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck Pelto:<br />
Re: Scalia</p>
<p><a href="http://theanchoressonline.com/2009/04/16/he-says-it-so-much-better-than-i/" rel="nofollow">http://theanchoressonline.com/2009/04/16/he-says-it-so-much-better-than-i/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bilgeman</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-243008</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilgeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#135 Chuck Pelto:
&quot;Attended TWO tea-party events. Both had more participants than I had expected.&quot;

 So I guess that puts you on Napolitano&#039;s &quot;Right Wing Extermist DOUBLE Secret Probation List&quot;, huh?

 Whattayou? Trying to make me jealous? I was flying yesterday. 

 FWIW, in soldari-tea with y&#039;all, I ordered tea,(and since airplane coffee is invariably unutterably vile sludge).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#135 Chuck Pelto:<br />
&#8220;Attended TWO tea-party events. Both had more participants than I had expected.&#8221;</p>
<p> So I guess that puts you on Napolitano&#8217;s &#8220;Right Wing Extermist DOUBLE Secret Probation List&#8221;, huh?</p>
<p> Whattayou? Trying to make me jealous? I was flying yesterday. </p>
<p> FWIW, in soldari-tea with y&#8217;all, I ordered tea,(and since airplane coffee is invariably unutterably vile sludge).</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-242770</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. And when the federal government identifies me as a &#039;possible enemy&#039;, I pay REAL CLOSE ATTENTION.....and check my OPLANs.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. And when the federal government identifies me as a &#8216;possible enemy&#8217;, I pay REAL CLOSE ATTENTION&#8230;..and check my OPLANs&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-242763</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: RV
RE: [OT] Just To....

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;Unless, of course, you consider moderates to be extremists, which I do not.&lt;/i&gt; -- RV&lt;/blockquote&gt;

....drive my point &#039;home&#039;.

It doesn&#039;t matter whether you or I &#039;consider moderates to be extremists&#039;. I doubt if you or I can call down an squad of BATF, FBI or mech infantry to enforce the proverbial &#039;law of the land&#039; on an individual.

Rather it&#039;s what the government &#039;feels&#039; is &#039;extremism&#039;. And, according to the passage I quoted in item #134 of this thread, they obviously consider me and a number of others—you might consider &#039;moderates&#039;—to be rather &#039;extreme&#039;. 

Am I paranoid? You betcha. 27 years in the infantry, combined with IPB, taught me well, how to stay alive.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Even paranoids have enemies.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: RV<br />
RE: [OT] Just To&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>Unless, of course, you consider moderates to be extremists, which I do not.</i> &#8212; RV</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;.drive my point &#8216;home&#8217;.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether you or I &#8216;consider moderates to be extremists&#8217;. I doubt if you or I can call down an squad of BATF, FBI or mech infantry to enforce the proverbial &#8216;law of the land&#8217; on an individual.</p>
<p>Rather it&#8217;s what the government &#8216;feels&#8217; is &#8216;extremism&#8217;. And, according to the passage I quoted in item #134 of this thread, they obviously consider me and a number of others—you might consider &#8216;moderates&#8217;—to be rather &#8216;extreme&#8217;. </p>
<p>Am I paranoid? You betcha. 27 years in the infantry, combined with IPB, taught me well, how to stay alive.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
[Even paranoids have enemies.]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-242748</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: Bilgeman
RE: Back on Scalia

I have to wonder what &#039;form&#039; of Christianity she practices. 

My readings and understanding lead me, and the members of my Friday Morning Mens&#039; Bible Study group to the idea that christians, the REAL ones, don&#039;t &quot;shove one another&quot;. 

Why does she think we do?

Does a body, barring cancer, war within itself? Hardly.....

So, I take exception to her statement. And I think she&#039;s got a LONG ways to go in her walk of faith. The point here being:

(1) She&#039;s blatantly wrong.
[2] She may be a &#039;tool&#039; for people who are opposed to the REAL christians.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Attended TWO tea-party events. Both had more participants than I had expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: Bilgeman<br />
RE: Back on Scalia</p>
<p>I have to wonder what &#8216;form&#8217; of Christianity she practices. </p>
<p>My readings and understanding lead me, and the members of my Friday Morning Mens&#8217; Bible Study group to the idea that christians, the REAL ones, don&#8217;t &#8220;shove one another&#8221;. </p>
<p>Why does she think we do?</p>
<p>Does a body, barring cancer, war within itself? Hardly&#8230;..</p>
<p>So, I take exception to her statement. And I think she&#8217;s got a LONG ways to go in her walk of faith. The point here being:</p>
<p>(1) She&#8217;s blatantly wrong.<br />
[2] She may be a &#8216;tool&#8217; for people who are opposed to the REAL christians.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. Attended TWO tea-party events. Both had more participants than I had expected.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Pelto</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/see-how-these-christians-shove-one-another/comment-page-3/#comment-242743</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Pelto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TO: RV and Bilgeman
RE: [OT] Poor Reading Skills?

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;It doesn’t say moderate conservatives…&lt;/i&gt; -- RV&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It SAYS....

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, &lt;b&gt;rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; -- DHS [Note: Emphasis added for those who know English as a &#039;tertiary&#039; language.]&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Hope that helps.

I believe in States Rights. I&#039;m opposed to federal laws that override them. I&#039;m opposed to federally mandated abortion on demand, as I see such a law as being under the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, a state-level decision.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Bilgeman, maybe you haven&#039;t read the document, so the &#039;tertiary language&#039; remark doesn&#039;t apply to you. I know you a tad better.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO: RV and Bilgeman<br />
RE: [OT] Poor Reading Skills?</p>
<blockquote><p><i>It doesn’t say moderate conservatives…</i> &#8212; RV</p></blockquote>
<p>It SAYS&#8230;.</p>
<blockquote><p><i>(U) Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, <b>rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration</b></i> &#8212; DHS [Note: Emphasis added for those who know English as a 'tertiary' language.]</p></blockquote>
<p>Hope that helps.</p>
<p>I believe in States Rights. I&#8217;m opposed to federal laws that override them. I&#8217;m opposed to federally mandated abortion on demand, as I see such a law as being under the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, a state-level decision.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Chuck(le)<br />
P.S. Bilgeman, maybe you haven&#8217;t read the document, so the &#8216;tertiary language&#8217; remark doesn&#8217;t apply to you. I know you a tad better&#8230;..</p>
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