Sex on the Beach No Excuse for Jihad
Bad behavior in Arab countries should be condemned because it is wrong, not because it fuels radical Islam.
Britons do not need to go as far as having sex in a public place to provoke Muslim “hostility” and its corollary “extremism.” Convicted terrorist Omar Khyam, so different from his romantic near-namesake, was provoked by “slags dancing around” at a nightclub. Muslim “extremism” is highly combustible: New English Review’s Hugh Fitzgerald has listed Almost One Hundred Things That Fuel Muslim Extremism. They include Salman Rushdie’s novel The Satanic Verses, Pim Fortuyn’s remarks about Muslim resentment of Dutch liberalism, and Pope Benedict’s refusal to continue apologizing for his remarks on Islamic violence. To which could be added Salman Rushdie’s knighthood, the Danish cartoons, and Gibson Square’s proposed publication of The Jewel of Medina, which literally “fueled extremism” in the form of an arson attack. Time and space are the only limitations to the length of a list of things that fuel Muslim extremism.
Like Minette Marrin, conservative writer Dinesh D’Souza believes that Western permissiveness, specifically “the cultural left,” is to blame for Muslim hostility, and by implication Muslim violence. Robert Spencer, writing at FrontPage Magazine, makes short work of this idea:
The immorality of the West has been a feature of Islamic anti-Western writings since long before Britney Spears took to the stage. Jihad theorist Sayyid Qutb was scandalized by the dancing at a church social in Greeley, Colorado, in 1948. … It should be borne in mind that from the Islamic perspective, Christians are inherently immoral simply by virtue of their — in the Muslim view — exalting Jesus to divine status.
As Spencer explains, jihad is a permanent feature of Islam; indeed it is commanded by Islam. Orthodox Jews in Israel would disapprove of sex on the beach as strongly as any Muslim, but this would not protect them against jihad attacks by the Palestinians.
And what of this much-vaunted Islamic morality, so easily offended by ours? For men, and only for men, Islamic law permits promiscuity in the form of polygamy and concubinage. For Shiite Muslims, it permits prostitution in the form of temporary marriage. It also legalizes rape — of slave girls and other non-Muslim women. Worse still, Islam allows child “marriage,” better described as child rape: when Ayatollah Khomeini came to power in Iran in 1979 he lost no time in lowering the age of “marriage” for girls to nine. In doing so he followed the example of Mohammed, who “married” Aisha when she was six and “consummated the marriage” when she was nine. Dubai is relatively liberal, but Westerners who work there tell of the hordes of visiting Saudi men who come over on weekends for some drinking and whoring — the latter not forbidden by Islam if it is with non-Muslim women — and then go back and infect their wives with AIDS and other diseases. The wives have no such latitude; strict Sharia means that they can be lashed or stoned to death for being raped.
Islam does not permit sex on the beach, but neither does Christianity, and neither do traditional Western laws and standards. Islam has nothing to teach us about morality, and we should not pander to Muslims by claiming that it does.
Palmer and Acors got what they deserved. They knew the law of Dubai and should have respected it. Would some British Muslims respect our laws, instead of trying to bring in Sharia.
But we have no need to abase ourselves before Muslims. Licentious behavior should be condemned because it is wrong, not because it fuels jihad, and not because of Muslims’ supposed moral superiority. The eternal flame of jihad burns without fuel from us — and Western morality is still, even in this permissive age, superior to that of Mohammed.
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1. OscarSchneegans:No, Islam has nothing to teach the West about morality. One subject that I’ve never heard discussed outside fellow servicemen who’ve deployed to the Middle East is the prevalence of homosexuality (more specifically homosexual pedophilia) and bestiality among Middle Eastern Muslim men.
A common saying I heard in both Iraq and Afghanistan is that “women are for making babies, boys are for pleasure”. The governor of Nangarhar, a former war lord, is famous for keeping a harem of boys at his palace.
It’s also common for a man to “practice” with animals. Soldiers in units I’ve served with in both theaters of war, sneaking around after dark with night vision devices, have gotten eye-fulls of that particular depravity.
Islam condemns both homosexuality and bestiality, of course, but everyone in the Middle East knows both are common practices, and no one does anything about it. They accept both as normal behavior and find ways to rationalize it. In Iraq, for example, only the man being penetrated is considered a homosexual. In Afghanistan, Thursdays are reserved as the day when men are allowed to have sex with each other (or with boys) because Friday is their holy day, and can therefore be forgiven.
Finally, the most radical Muslims who deride the West most for its depravity are the ones most likely to engage in even worse depravity. The US used prostitutes – both male and female – as informants to locate Al-Qaeda operatives in Iraq, most famously in Ramadi. An SF team in Nangarhar killed an IED team while I was there earlier this year as the two men paused to have sex with each other while setting up the device. Also, would-be suicide bombers captured in both Iraq and Afghanistan are usually high on heroine, and foot soldiers are often high on amphetamines.
Is there depravity in the West? Of course there is. Depravity is a human ill, not a cultural sickness. Do Muslim terrorists use it as an excuse to attack the West? Of course they do, but that’s all it is; an excuse. The REASON they attack us is that we have not converted, submitted or ceased to exist, and therefore stand in the way of their supremacist delusions.
Nov 14, 2008 - 2:53 am 2. dan:strange article.
more russia, less islam, thank you.
Nov 14, 2008 - 4:38 am 3. RE:Sure British depravity is no excuse for Jihad.
There’s no good excuse for the depravity that has found it’s way into British society, either.
Nov 14, 2008 - 4:50 am 4. Mary Jackson:There’s no good excuse for the depravity that has found it’s way into British society, either.
As opposed to the spotless morality of Americans. Well there was that spot on Monica Lewinsky’s dress, but that doesn’t count.
more russia, less islam, thank you.
I write about what I understand best. Russia is a threat, certainly, but Islam is a far greater one. There are not as many Muslims in the US as in the UK, but Islam is a growing threat even there.
Nov 14, 2008 - 5:33 am 5. Jerry Jones:The difference between islam and the west isn’t immorality but transparency. Mohammadans are in the closet about everything! The west isn’t perfect but we have honesty.
Nov 14, 2008 - 5:53 am 6. RE:Relativism excuses nothing, Ms. Jackson. It is what it is.
Nov 14, 2008 - 6:03 am 7. Letters From A Tory:Obviously you have forgotten that the introduction of Sharia law into the UK is causing outrage among many Brits, yet you don’t hear us calling for a holy war against Islam.
Funny, that.
http://www.lettersfromatory.com
Nov 14, 2008 - 6:43 am 8. kochevnik:Mary Jackson:
“I write about what I understand best. Russia is a threat, certainly, but Islam is a far greater one.”
You shouldn’t write anything about Russia, Mary. You yanks loiter around the Russian border in Iraq and Ukraine just as these Brits have sex on the beach. You set up a warmongering puppet government in Georgia. You are undermining the integrity of the Russian border. Imagine Russia signed a nuclear pact with Mexico. No, you can’t because you’re a robot without empathy. That’s why Russia needs nukes. Because of people like you, Mary.
Nov 14, 2008 - 7:18 am 9. Eowyn2:I’m pretty sure there are laws in both the US and Great Britain regarding public copulation. But as Oscar Schneegans said. The only difference between western morals and eastern morals is the public display.
What excuse have the Islamists in Thailand who like to behead people on their way to work?
Nov 14, 2008 - 7:26 am 10. fred:First of all, I write as one who despises Islam, a death cult misnamed as a religion. It’s really an ideology born of Muhammad’s sock puppet deity, but that’s all besides the point. As a Catholic Christian, I have my standards.
When you are in another country you obey its rules and you don’t give the culture and its mores the expression finger. It’s very bad manners. These barbarian hedonists, caught doing the dirty, should have been arrested. They deserved it. I don’t feel sorry for them. What do they expect the people of Dubai to condone? Public orgies on the beach? LMAO! No, these two idiots need to learn a lesson and an example will be set.
Nov 14, 2008 - 7:43 am 11. Mary Jackson:You yanks loiter around the Russian border in Iraq and Ukraine just as these Brits have sex on the beach. You set up a warmongering puppet government in Georgia. You are undermining the integrity of the Russian border. Imagine Russia signed a nuclear pact with Mexico. No, you can’t because you’re a robot without empathy. That’s why Russia needs nukes. Because of people like you, Mary.
I’m British. Never mind.
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Nov 14, 2008 - 7:44 am 13. view from afar:Mary jackson, how did you miss kochevniks other comments, here and anywhere else? However thanks to you all of the posts make much better sense now. But, the scariest thing is, kochevnik comments without noticing that yóu’ve posted about being a Brit, in places that he’s posted in also. Kochevnik, I’ve already read your slam to Mary and being a loitering yank(?) so don’t bother insulting me separately…
Nov 14, 2008 - 8:22 am 14. kochevnik:Mary Jackson,
“I’m British. Never mind.”
Even more reason to be wary of NATO. Do you want Russia to cut off your natural gas, Mary? Most Brits naturally understand Russia has a right to exist. Yet you post about two countries, neither of which you seem to know much about. Seems as pajamas has to outsource their journalists. Next will you report about the staged M6 bombings at Charing Cross? Or would that come too close to home? You message is: “In England it’s terrorism, but in Dubai it’s just peachy.”
view from afar,
One of these days you may actually make a point. Keep at it, tiger!
Nov 14, 2008 - 8:50 am 15. fred:Why is kochevnik so obsessed about the West and the United States? Eh, Russkiy, don’t you have heaven on earth, that former KGB apparatchik has created for you? LMFAO!!!!
Nov 14, 2008 - 9:02 am 16. Mike:In reply to Oscar:
I also have heard about the homsexuality that is rampant in Iraq and afganistan. The beastiality was a new one though, but rings true. I have asked about this behavior to some ME’s that I know and they go ballistic and say i am slurring Islam. the hypocracity is amazing. However, another very interesting point was made on an interview on NPR. the interviewee was a palastinian filmaker, and was asked how or why he got into films. his response was that the populations of most ME countries are about 70% illiterate. That is a huge number, and in fact the interviewer was so shocked that she asked for that again. he said its true, and thats why public opinion is so easily swayed in the ME because the average person only hears information from the Imam or watches TV. Its very easy to manipulate a population that way. Sad, but true.
Nov 14, 2008 - 9:17 am 17. cedarford:The copulating Brits got a fair trial and a just sentence.
But lets just say that many Muslims come into the West and feel no sense that they owe us similar reciprocity. Islam is best understood as a religion whose protective laws are centered around “us Muslims” not universal. Tribal and conquest-based. Thus it is morally wrong and strictly forbidden to rape a Muslim girl, to cheat a Muslim customer.
And it is perfectly OK for Muslim men to seek to “acquire” infidel women for purposes of sex, marriage to get a green card, procreation…because loosing fertile infidel women to Islam weakens the infidel ranks…
But to “surrender” a Muslim women to date an infidel? That is a disgrace, a grave crime against Islam, a family dishonor. If you want to make a Muslim man uncomfortable, a Muslim man you see hitting up natives right and left in the bars and meat racks – ask him if he has a sister or some female Muslims he can bring with him next visit. Tell him just as he likes blondes and hot Latinas, you and your pals love those doe-eyed Middle Easterners and want to “road test a few”. You will politely be told they cannot date outside their religion, or the Muslim male will become more outraged as inquiries come from “unclean” infidels about sullying their female property.
Nov 14, 2008 - 9:45 am 18. kochevnik:fred,
Why are you lingering in our borders? I have little interest in the West, but Jesuits and repub warmongers seem to have an interest in violating Russian sovereignty and surrounding it. After US proxy warmongering Russians now know that Russia cannot simply remain isolationist, but must actively resist infiltration and American imperialism. But already US encroachment has backfired, although you are last to realize it.
How is your Mexican Catholic takeover of the US Southwest going?
>Why is kochevnik so obsessed about the West and the
Nov 14, 2008 - 10:09 am 19. craig:>United States? Eh, Russkiy, don’t you have heaven on
>earth, that former KGB apparatchik has created for
>you? LMFAO!!!!
Kochevnik,
Jesuits??!! The Jesuits are a dying order because half of them can’t be bothered to stand up for Catholic truth anytime it disagrees with the editorial position of the New York Times, and the other half agree with the Times.
Anyone claiming the Jesuits are a threat to Russia is simply parroting Russian Orthodox slander and paranoia about Rome dating back to the Czarist era. Next time, please try to keep your anti-Western paranoia at least accurate to within a century. Besides, there’s no point in aiming your fire against the Pope when the Rus will be no more within a century anyway; they are being replaced by Moslems because they no longer believe in anything, and those who do not believe in anything don’t reproduce.
Nov 14, 2008 - 11:18 am 20. kochevnik:craig,
Russia blends Islam and Judaism quite well. This may be due to the fact we’re not working with Jesuits and Catholics to anhiliate them because they won’t pay tribute to the Bank of England. Muslims actually make relatively good neighbors in proportion. They’re not drinking, they pay their bills, their women aren’t single-mother wenches.
Jesuit-trained Stalin is fresh in our memory.
Nov 14, 2008 - 11:50 am 21. cjk:Kocknik: You just ooze envy toward the greatest nation on earth.LOL
Nov 14, 2008 - 12:02 pm 22. Dr. Lumplevin:I am getting some cultural education here. British culture is indeed unique and fascinating- rolling around naked on a public beach in a Muslim country screwing and vomiting on each other and insulting a policeman all at the same time. And Muslims screwing boys and beasts and afterwards cutting kaffirs heads off in the name of Allah with dull knives because they are so offensive, vile and disgusting.
Ain’t multiculturalism just the bomb?
Nov 14, 2008 - 12:08 pm 23. ApplePie:Funny how muslim taxi drivers won’t pick up a customer with a seeing eye dog – or that the British police outfitted dogs with booties when they are used as sniffer dogs in muslim homes – because dogs are offensive to muslims = dirty.
BUT it is apparently OK for muslim men to have sex with a dog = now where is that stated in the Quran??
Maybe the muslim immigration tsunami that has hit Europe (with the EU’s blessing) is the reason behind the Swedish network of “zoophiles”???
Nov 14, 2008 - 2:19 pm 24. Kostik:http://www.thelocal.se/15610/20081111/
Kochevnik,
Nov 14, 2008 - 2:27 pm 25. kochevnik:Only a moskal’ would be as arrogant, misinformed, and delusional as to post comments such as yours. Is it a mystery why almost every single nation on Russia’s borders despises your rodina, and is either already a NATO member or is practically begging to become one?
A perfect example of the moskal’ mentality: you support independence movements on Georgian territory, but level Grozny and commit genocide when it happens on your own. Your country is rotting from within, for the same reasons that you think makes it strong.
Kostik,
Ever hear of Beslan? Where Chechen pedophiles assaulted, raped and murdered hundreds of children?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_nG2zgyN30&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyPR169K_FU&feature=related
I take you post to mean that you prefer nations like Georgia and Chechnya with economies based on murder and kidnapping over real countries simply trying to coexist? I am so grateful Russia has nukes and other weapons to defend itself against terrorist scum and aggressive superpowers. Russians don’t need to go on offensive rampages. Russia can defend the motherland that is our birthright.
Nov 14, 2008 - 3:09 pm 26. view from afar:kochevnik, don’t mess with tigers, they bite.
Nov 14, 2008 - 3:17 pm 27. susan:kochevnik, so muslims are good neighbours?
I seem to recall that in 2002, some lovely mohameddans took under siege a theatre in moscow and 129 people were killed among homely women in burkas.
Not to mention the good neighbourhood in beslan.
I have the utmost respect for russian people, which I have met and I count many among my dearest friends and (the smart ones) despise muslims like any other intelligent person.
You seem to be the exception.
Nov 14, 2008 - 3:20 pm 28. fred:kochevnik, you really need to be on anti-psychotic meds. You are paranoid, delusional, and are in need of spiritual help.
Folks, have any of you read M. Scott Peck’s book, “People of the Lie”?
One of the classic symptoms of evil and personality disorder is scapegoating, and someone like kochevnik engages in beaucoup scapegoating. He projects on to others the evil within himself.
Nov 14, 2008 - 5:52 pm 29. kochevnik:susan:
“kochevnik, so muslims are good neighbours?”
Russia is 22% Muslim. My Muslim descendant friends are atheists and more upset at these savage acts than your fake, self-interested agenda-riddled motives could ever be. Sorry I fail to please your neofascist thirst for spilling blood. Sorry your beloved Caspian Oil project failed, but you still have the $300billion of Afghan heroin smuggled through the KLA to fund your blackops. Sorry Ukraine and others are rejecting you and your CIA spooks failing once again. Sorry to see your $12trillion Iraq project being handed to Iran. Well, I rescind the last statement. I don’t know why Medvedev allows you so close to the border, frankly. I guess he must find you useful somehow.
fred,
To have evil one must believe in a omnescent superbeing who lives in the sky. You’re rant starts with that premise. I think that’s all that reasoned people need to know about your opinions.
view from afar,
Tigers in France? Or are you Algerian?
Nov 14, 2008 - 8:47 pm 30. Joe Kaffir:So, the middleaged English schoolmarm who allowed her students to name a teddy bear mohamed in the Sudan, by your reckoning, should have been beaten, raped and then stoned to death. When in Rome do as the Romanians do? Please. The mohamedians and moslemanics of Uba Dabi know very well that western mores do not meet the requirements of the sharia or the dhimma. Tolerance cuts both ways. Unless you feel that we in the west should prosecute all the “innocent moslems” who violate our laws,eg. freeedom of speech with death threats, murder, rape, fraud, Jew hatred, poligamy,child abuse,female genital mutilation,wife beating, forced child mariages, instead of overlooking these petty offences of izlam in our society. Mary Jackson, your sense of outrage is hopelessly misplaced.
Nov 14, 2008 - 10:21 pm 31. susan:kochevnik:
kochevnik
“Russia is 22% Muslim.”
and this is not something to boost as a “good point” of your country.
” My Muslim descendant friends are atheists and more upset at these savage acts than your fake”
My 4 best friends come from Rostov-na-donu (2 and one of them is a cossak), saratov and ukraine born settled in St petersburg. Especially the one from Rostov is telling me otherwise. There is a small percentage of nominal muslims that are either converting to other creeds or staying nominal muslim but there are imams that are pushing for the saudi agenda in mosques.
It’s true that one of those imams was murdered (typical russian style) and I do not necessarily consider that a bad thing,
Putin’s pragmatism with respect to the human rights of Russian Muslims detracted not a whit from the festivities in Riyadh, because issues of principle have no place whatever in Middle Eastern politics. “I see in Putin a statesman and a man of peace and fairness,” said King Abdullah to the official Saudi Press Agency before the visit. “That’s why the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia extends a hand of friendship to Russia.”
Loyalties do not extend beyond clan and family, and the rest is a matter of opportunity, guile and maneuver. That is how business is done in that part of the world. You embrace your worst enemy when you are too weak to fight him, and you annihilate him when opportunity presents itself. When you have winnowed his ranks sufficiently to convince him that he is too weak to fight you, you embrace him once again. It is the sort of dirty work to which Americans are unaccustomed, but for which the Russians have had centuries of practice.
It’s too long to copy and paste but if you are interested there is an article on the radicalization of muslims in russia
http://www.islam-watch.org/ExMuslims/Russia-Future-Radical-Muslim-Superpower.htm
“Sorry I fail to please your neofascist thirst for spilling blood. Sorry your beloved Caspian Oil project failed, but you still have the $300billion of Afghan heroin smuggled through the KLA to fund your blackops.”
I don’t know what you mean, since i am not american or english.
“Sorry Ukraine and others are rejecting you and your CIA spooks failing once again.”
I am happy that ukraine is getting along with russia, I consider russia less corrupt than western europe.
I am also saddened about the treatment that russian people receive in baltic countries (I have been there and know all the stuff).
So I stick to what my friends say and I do not believe you. The fact that you claim to descend from muslims (which I would consider an offence) is clouding your judgement.
You are threatened by muslims exactly like the rest of the world, the only difference is that being russia a totally politically uncorrect country, you know how to deal and get rid of your cancer inside, but not if this cancer is half of the population (as recent projections say)
Nov 15, 2008 - 3:17 am 32. scott1963:I’ve never heard such crap in all my life as some of the responses here. two adults have some drinks and decide to have a romp on the beach and thats the basis for islamic hatred of the west, wow thank god you uptight opologygist for muslim hypocracy have never been to miami beach during spring break your heads would pop.
Nov 15, 2008 - 7:51 am 33. jonesy55:kochevnik,
Could you please explain this theory of yours about the Bank of England?
Nov 15, 2008 - 10:48 am 34. jonesy55:“I’ve never heard such crap in all my life as some of the responses here. two adults have some drinks and decide to have a romp on the beach and thats the basis for islamic hatred of the west, wow thank god you uptight opologygist for muslim hypocracy have never been to miami beach during spring break your heads would pop.”
I think you’re missing the point.
Nov 15, 2008 - 10:49 am 35. fred:Hey, jonesy, I’m not defending Islam or Sharia Law. I think I made my point cogently. When you are in a foreign country you have to obey the rules. You can’t behave like some college kids who think that laws are meant to be broken and you obey only those laws YOU think are legitimate. Grow up, people.
I don’t agree with ANYTHING Islamic. You can accuse me of being an islamophobe, but at least I can defend my aversion towards Islam based upon THEIR scriptures (Qur’an), and traditions (ahadith).
It’s not my business if two rustics want to fornicate on a beach somewhere and behave like rutting high school or college students. But, there are laws in other countries. They may not be OUR laws, but who the hell are we to tell those countries that we will obey only those laws of theirs that are least inconvenient to us?
If you don’t agree with the laws of other countries, Brit twits, THEN DON’T GO THERE! No one is compelling you to travel to Dubai, or some other Islamic sh*thole. Personally, I would never travel to an Islamic country if I didn’t have to, because I do not like Islam and I see it as a death cult. But if, for business, I did have to go to Dubai or Qatar I would make sure I obeyed the laws and was on my best behavior. Why? Because I’m not a barbarian and I believe in representing my country well abroad. And as a Roman Catholic Christian there are standards I am supposed to live up to.
Nov 15, 2008 - 11:47 am 36. fred:Sorry, jonesy, I criticized the wrong response. I meant #32, Scott1963. My apologies.
Nov 15, 2008 - 11:48 am 37. Afghanistan: update on the Giesbrecht Kidnapping » Winds Of Jihad:[...] Today, two reporters, one from Newsweek, were shot in western Peshawar after they dodged a kidnapping attempt. Yesterday, the Taliban successfully kidnapped an Iranian consular official, in the same region. Two days prior, a U.S. aid worker and his driver were killed in another kidnapping attempt. * ”Violent jihad is a natural response to Western decadence..” [...]
Nov 16, 2008 - 3:07 am 38. JL:Kothevnik.
Apparently something like 0 to 1 percent of Russians understand this, you included. It’s about being a democracy or not being a democracy. Russia is no longer a democracy. And the tragedy is that Russians don’t know the difference. Russians in general has no clue, what the benefits of a democracy is. Therefore you and your country is doomed. You can blame it on US foreign policy as much as you like and it’s not going to save you. For now, since Russia is no longer a democracy, it has become an enemy. And enemies are dealt with in one way and one way only – exercise of raw power. No one knows that better than your hero and dictator Putin. Get used to it. Russians had a chance through elections of solidifying their country as a democracy and the Russians chose not too. You made your own bed. Russians haven’t noticed and don’t care that free speech has bin shut down. They don’t know the difference and they don’t, know what the benefits of free speech is. It’ really just tragic. You don’t know it, you don’t understand, you don’t care and you are doomed to a 100 years of darkness.
Nov 16, 2008 - 7:06 am 39. L Raj:If muslims insist on wearing their burkhas in London, why can’t the British wear their bikinis in Dubai ?
They insist on having mosques in any western city of their choice, but wont allow a church or a temple in any middle eastern country.
Muslims always want to have it both ways – they want people to respect “their rights” but dislike respecting the rights of others.
The word “hypocrisy” comes to mind….
Nov 16, 2008 - 11:12 am 40. Ms Attitude:39. L Raj: Good point…that bother’s me too. But we do have freedom of religion in our country and they don’t. Tolerance does not equal acceptance.
Nov 16, 2008 - 8:41 pm 41. David H:Re 32. certain Imams will use this as an example to paint the Kuffir in an even worse light, I have seen them accusing Western Europeans of rampant affairs, homosexuality and beastality to show the moral decadence of the West so that they can build up the hatred and dis-respect to the West in general.
So something like this does not help in the collision between the West and Islam if we want to keep it relatively peaceful, though I believe it is not possible due to the basic hate in the Quran and the ahadiths I hope to be surprised…
Nov 18, 2008 - 1:14 am 42. Kashif Saeed:My point of view is that every country has its own rules regulations and culture. So every one even foreigner has to obey these rules. We can do every thing in our home. But outside our home we have to follow rules& regulations of that place. Islam is the most complete religion of the world. I challenge any one if they want to know any fact about islam. They study Quran to know facts about religion rather seeing what Muslims are. Even Bible has stirctly restrict woman to adopt modesty in their behaviour and dress. If christian are not following it si their fault not fault of religion. So conclusion is to research on religion then decided which is right or wrong.
Mar 10, 2009 - 10:17 pm