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		<title>By: John Samford</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Samford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the annual savings with the gas tax holiday will be 464X0.185=$85 or $7 per month and for 3 months of summer $21
SO where is the true economic benefit to the gas consumer?&quot;

I sold enough Toyotas to get my own dealership.
I know what a &#039;reduction to the absurd&#039; close looks like.  I have used it hundreds of times. It won&#039;t work on me and I&#039;m not letting you change the subject.
  The real benefit comes from that 7 bucks multiplied by the 200 million or so drivers.  That is another 1.4 BILLION added back into the economy.  Then there is the trickle down effect.  All those business that need fuel to get their product to market will be saving that 18.5 cents per gal. Most will pass part of it on.  
Who do you think pays that?
As a former business owner, I assure you that no business pays any taxes.  They collect the taxes from the taxpayer (consumer) and pass it on to the government.  
Transportation costs (including fuel taxes) are part of what the consumer pays at the POS.  Not just once either, since they are paying sales tax on the included cost of the fuel tax.
Remember also that the fuel tax is paid many times all up and down the food chain. Not just from the factory to the store but transporting raw materials to that factory, producing the raw materials, etc..
Very few taxes are as regressive as the fuel tax.  I will include this URL, even though all you guys are &#039;experts&#039; and already know this stuff.  Right?
http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/taxation.html

Skipping all that econ101 stuff, it is the Taxpayer&#039;s money, NOT the Government&#039;s money.
Anybody that is against dropping the fuel tax IS A SOCIALIST.
If you want money to spend on bridges and roads, PUT UP A TOLL BOOTH.  Let those that use them pay for them.  The Government should not be building bridges and roads anyway.  Private enterprise would do a MUCH better job of it.
When is the last time a Toll Bridge fell down?  See?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the annual savings with the gas tax holiday will be 464X0.185=$85 or $7 per month and for 3 months of summer $21<br />
SO where is the true economic benefit to the gas consumer?&#8221;</p>
<p>I sold enough Toyotas to get my own dealership.<br />
I know what a &#8216;reduction to the absurd&#8217; close looks like.  I have used it hundreds of times. It won&#8217;t work on me and I&#8217;m not letting you change the subject.<br />
  The real benefit comes from that 7 bucks multiplied by the 200 million or so drivers.  That is another 1.4 BILLION added back into the economy.  Then there is the trickle down effect.  All those business that need fuel to get their product to market will be saving that 18.5 cents per gal. Most will pass part of it on.<br />
Who do you think pays that?<br />
As a former business owner, I assure you that no business pays any taxes.  They collect the taxes from the taxpayer (consumer) and pass it on to the government.<br />
Transportation costs (including fuel taxes) are part of what the consumer pays at the POS.  Not just once either, since they are paying sales tax on the included cost of the fuel tax.<br />
Remember also that the fuel tax is paid many times all up and down the food chain. Not just from the factory to the store but transporting raw materials to that factory, producing the raw materials, etc..<br />
Very few taxes are as regressive as the fuel tax.  I will include this URL, even though all you guys are &#8216;experts&#8217; and already know this stuff.  Right?<br />
<a href="http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/taxation.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.psnw.com/~bashford/taxation.html</a></p>
<p>Skipping all that econ101 stuff, it is the Taxpayer&#8217;s money, NOT the Government&#8217;s money.<br />
Anybody that is against dropping the fuel tax IS A SOCIALIST.<br />
If you want money to spend on bridges and roads, PUT UP A TOLL BOOTH.  Let those that use them pay for them.  The Government should not be building bridges and roads anyway.  Private enterprise would do a MUCH better job of it.<br />
When is the last time a Toll Bridge fell down?  See?</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prescience? &quot;voter fraud...No telling how pervasive it might be...&quot;

My, my, my -- the fraud in Washington state was attributed to Obama campaign workers, I believe.

And now the upset in Indiana may come from the strangely belated voter counts in the county right outside Chicago...

I hope Obama wasn&#039;t too impatient to get this contest with Hillary behind him. She&#039;s going to smell a rat. And not keep quiet about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prescience? &#8220;voter fraud&#8230;No telling how pervasive it might be&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>My, my, my &#8212; the fraud in Washington state was attributed to Obama campaign workers, I believe.</p>
<p>And now the upset in Indiana may come from the strangely belated voter counts in the county right outside Chicago&#8230;</p>
<p>I hope Obama wasn&#8217;t too impatient to get this contest with Hillary behind him. She&#8217;s going to smell a rat. And not keep quiet about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Cranky and Alan.

Alot of conservatives think we have three democrats to choose from at this point. Obama the most liberal, and McCain the least.

There are no guarantees that McCain will beat either of the other two in the general. Especially when you consider the recently exposed voter fraud in Washington state. No telling how pervasive it might be - affecting other states as well.

So, I think it&#039;s best to take out the least desirable of the three and then move on to the next. As much as I distrust and dislike Hillary, Obama has earned his place as least trustworthy. 

His association with radicals is present-day and of a long term nature. Even from youth. Hers was short-lived and some 30 yrs. ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Cranky and Alan.</p>
<p>Alot of conservatives think we have three democrats to choose from at this point. Obama the most liberal, and McCain the least.</p>
<p>There are no guarantees that McCain will beat either of the other two in the general. Especially when you consider the recently exposed voter fraud in Washington state. No telling how pervasive it might be &#8211; affecting other states as well.</p>
<p>So, I think it&#8217;s best to take out the least desirable of the three and then move on to the next. As much as I distrust and dislike Hillary, Obama has earned his place as least trustworthy. </p>
<p>His association with radicals is present-day and of a long term nature. Even from youth. Hers was short-lived and some 30 yrs. ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally think that while the polls have told a lot over the course of the election (though not 100% accurate) they are not enough alone to decide the candidate.  After all, the candidates themselves are the Superdelegates&#039; focus.  What&#039;s important here is Obama&#039;s relation to Ayers, something that the mainstream media has not so much as made reference to.  That relationship could be a helluva lot more damaging than the Wright controversy.  I do not even want to risk the possibility of a radical entering the White House.  I&#039;ll vote Hillary long before I will even consider Obama.

Valerie- The least you can do is say something constructive.  If there is something really BAD about Limbaugh, tell us.  He has a lot more brain cells than you will ever hope to have anyway, especially if you keep talking like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally think that while the polls have told a lot over the course of the election (though not 100% accurate) they are not enough alone to decide the candidate.  After all, the candidates themselves are the Superdelegates&#8217; focus.  What&#8217;s important here is Obama&#8217;s relation to Ayers, something that the mainstream media has not so much as made reference to.  That relationship could be a helluva lot more damaging than the Wright controversy.  I do not even want to risk the possibility of a radical entering the White House.  I&#8217;ll vote Hillary long before I will even consider Obama.</p>
<p>Valerie- The least you can do is say something constructive.  If there is something really BAD about Limbaugh, tell us.  He has a lot more brain cells than you will ever hope to have anyway, especially if you keep talking like that.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 08:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;d be pretty happy with Obama, Clinton or McCain.  They&#039;re all infinitely better than the present occupant.  Hopefully one of these three will be able to somehow pull us out of this recession.  It&#039;s so bad here it&#039;s almost comical.  I see people in my small town here walking miles to work now or riding two people on one scooter.  Never in my life saw that before.  I mean our country is becoming a laughing stock, moving into third world category.  So, everyone cheer up!  No matter who we elect, it can&#039;t be worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;d be pretty happy with Obama, Clinton or McCain.  They&#8217;re all infinitely better than the present occupant.  Hopefully one of these three will be able to somehow pull us out of this recession.  It&#8217;s so bad here it&#8217;s almost comical.  I see people in my small town here walking miles to work now or riding two people on one scooter.  Never in my life saw that before.  I mean our country is becoming a laughing stock, moving into third world category.  So, everyone cheer up!  No matter who we elect, it can&#8217;t be worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and for those who haven&#039;t heard the latest, it&#039;s Christmas morning again: Michelle opened her mouth.

This time, she&#039;s telling us her husband is working hard to keep his focus on the ultimate good he wants to accomplish rather than show us all how angry and impatient he&#039;s becoming with this fussing and fighting he&#039;s had to endure with Clinton. 

He just wants to get to McCain, she says. I&#039;ll bet he does. 

So the cool and collected one is seething with anger underneath it all? Haven&#039;t we all learned it&#039;s the quiet ones we should fear? Kinda makes McCain&#039;s letting off steam now and then look pretty good...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and for those who haven&#8217;t heard the latest, it&#8217;s Christmas morning again: Michelle opened her mouth.</p>
<p>This time, she&#8217;s telling us her husband is working hard to keep his focus on the ultimate good he wants to accomplish rather than show us all how angry and impatient he&#8217;s becoming with this fussing and fighting he&#8217;s had to endure with Clinton. </p>
<p>He just wants to get to McCain, she says. I&#8217;ll bet he does. </p>
<p>So the cool and collected one is seething with anger underneath it all? Haven&#8217;t we all learned it&#8217;s the quiet ones we should fear? Kinda makes McCain&#8217;s letting off steam now and then look pretty good&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Believer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 06:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I was thinking earlier today, if Obama doesn&#039;t do too well on Tuesday, do you think he&#039;ll be calling up Rush and begging to chat a while? After all, that&#039;s what he did when Pennsylvania didn&#039;t go so well - he wasted no time getting together with Chris Wallace.

But I just dropped by to say I&#039;d read some wonderful stuff about Louisiana&#039;s Gov. Bobby Jindal in the Washington Times. The young Republican (naturally) is determined to turn things around; he has the smarts and list of accomplishments to be successful.

So it occured to me that the young Jindal is most likely the man Obama fancies himself to be. And with the modesty that accompanies greatness. The talk now is that the pressure may be on him to join McCain&#039;s ticket, even though he sincerely wants to stay in LA. to do as much as he can.

Bet that never would have occured to Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I was thinking earlier today, if Obama doesn&#8217;t do too well on Tuesday, do you think he&#8217;ll be calling up Rush and begging to chat a while? After all, that&#8217;s what he did when Pennsylvania didn&#8217;t go so well &#8211; he wasted no time getting together with Chris Wallace.</p>
<p>But I just dropped by to say I&#8217;d read some wonderful stuff about Louisiana&#8217;s Gov. Bobby Jindal in the Washington Times. The young Republican (naturally) is determined to turn things around; he has the smarts and list of accomplishments to be successful.</p>
<p>So it occured to me that the young Jindal is most likely the man Obama fancies himself to be. And with the modesty that accompanies greatness. The talk now is that the pressure may be on him to join McCain&#8217;s ticket, even though he sincerely wants to stay in LA. to do as much as he can.</p>
<p>Bet that never would have occured to Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Surabol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surabol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 05:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Playing the centrist who appeals to the middle is a lot more effective than you think. Just ask Arnold Schwarzenegger. A couple years after winning the recall his initaitives bombed hard and his popularity among Californians nearly fell to George Bush level.

But during reelction Arnold decided to hijack certain &quot;democrat&quot; issues (like global warming) as well playing up traditional GOP values (tough on crime, strong economy). Phil Angelides ran multiple ads depicting scenes of Arnold making speeches for President Bush, but he eventually lost in a landslide. A considerable number of democrats ended up voting for Arnold. 

During the midterm elections the GOP failed to attract the center and the moderate voters. Barack Obama (and his pastor) is too radical for some voters. Americans who disline Bush but distrust the Obama / Clinton ticket hold the key for Mccain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playing the centrist who appeals to the middle is a lot more effective than you think. Just ask Arnold Schwarzenegger. A couple years after winning the recall his initaitives bombed hard and his popularity among Californians nearly fell to George Bush level.</p>
<p>But during reelction Arnold decided to hijack certain &#8220;democrat&#8221; issues (like global warming) as well playing up traditional GOP values (tough on crime, strong economy). Phil Angelides ran multiple ads depicting scenes of Arnold making speeches for President Bush, but he eventually lost in a landslide. A considerable number of democrats ended up voting for Arnold. </p>
<p>During the midterm elections the GOP failed to attract the center and the moderate voters. Barack Obama (and his pastor) is too radical for some voters. Americans who disline Bush but distrust the Obama / Clinton ticket hold the key for Mccain.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie T. Hutchins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie T. Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 05:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is in the lead and on his way to the White House! Suck it Up! Americans are hopping on the change train. The old ways are over ... welcome to the New World Order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is in the lead and on his way to the White House! Suck it Up! Americans are hopping on the change train. The old ways are over &#8230; welcome to the New World Order.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie T. Hutchins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie T. Hutchins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 05:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Limbaugh is a drunken crack-head! Anyone who values his opinion is a ignorant illiterate redneck! The only reason he didn&#039;t go to jail for obtaining drugs illegaly in Florida is because the sheriff&#039;s department is run by his redneck supporters. This fat, criminal bigot couldn&#039;t walk in Obamas shoes... if his fat-ass could fit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Limbaugh is a drunken crack-head! Anyone who values his opinion is a ignorant illiterate redneck! The only reason he didn&#8217;t go to jail for obtaining drugs illegaly in Florida is because the sheriff&#8217;s department is run by his redneck supporters. This fat, criminal bigot couldn&#8217;t walk in Obamas shoes&#8230; if his fat-ass could fit!</p>
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