Some Parts of Candidates’ Lives Are None of Our Business
The private affairs of candidates' family members should remain just that — private.
The far left came out with an incredible smear against Sarah Palin practically within hours of the formal announcement that John McCain had chosen her as his running mate. Citing “proof” that would make Rosie O’Donnell and the other 9/11 Truthers proud, they “wondered” if Palin had faked her recent pregnancy, claiming Trig Palin as hers, in order to spare her 17-year-old daughter the shame of an out-of-wedlock birth.
Now the news that her oldest daughter really is pregnant has been revealed. Truth may be stranger than fiction, but is this truth really all that strange? A teenage girl has unprotected sex with her boyfriend and gets pregnant. She decides to keep the baby and plans to wed the father. While the situation is a difficult one, it’s obviously being dealt with to the satisfaction of Palin’s family — and, I presume, the young father’s family. Yet the media is treating this incident as though it were just discovered that Palin’s close friend and mentor had been a full-fledged member of the Communist Party of America.
Oh wait, that was Barack Obama’s close friend and mentor, Frank Davis. My bad.
But giving credit where it’s due, Obama refused to jump on the speculation bandwagon, saying that family — especially children — of candidates should be off-limits to political tongue-wagging. For once, he says something I agree with — unless, of course, that family member acts as a member of the campaign. But I digress.
The hypocrisy of the far left and its media supporters is stunning. When Bill Clinton was receiving special “favors” from Monica Lewinsky while she was hidden under his desk and he was on the phone conducting the official business of the American people, we were told that it was nobody’s business but theirs. Hey, everyone fools around, right? Why not the president, while he was on duty, with a young woman interning in the White House — therefore, for all intents and purposes, a White House employee? The fact that he lied about it afterward while under oath was no big deal either. He was just trying to protect his privacy. Heck, if he had just admitted it when the information became public there likely would have been no impeachment proceedings and the whole thing would have been over and done with a lot sooner, sparing the American people a lot of unnecessary grief.
But a 17-year-old girl having sex with her boyfriend and getting pregnant is suddenly not only everybody’s business, but the most shocking thing to happen since the Beatles broke up. Could it be because she’s the daughter of the Republican VP nominee, a woman who is not only pro-life but pro-abstinence? Call me cynical, but I think there’s a connection here.
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1. Bullfrog:Well said! I do think Obama coming out against the attacks aimed at Palin’s 17 year old daughter was a good thing, although it could be more political posturing while he knows others will do the “dirty work” anyway, but that is purely conjecture on my part…
I think how the Palin family has and continues to handle this adversity is what is key here; not that it happened. As stated, no one is perfect.
Sep 2, 2008 - 9:57 am 2. Chuck Pelto:TO: Pam Meister, et al.
RE: I Disagree
This is nothing to sweep under a rug or stuff in a closet.
This is not a disaster. This is an opportunity. And the opportunity is proving the so-called ‘Progressives’ to be the rank hypocrites we’ve always known them to be.
Additionally, character is an important part of any political official’s persona. What they do in private life will be a HUGE factor in what they do with their public life. Or did we fail to learn that harsh lesson from the Clinton administration?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:03 am 3. ex-democrat:[No change in circumstances can repair a defect of character. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson]
my wife and i decided last night that every time the MSM/Obama machine tries to smear Governor Palin (or Senator McCain) we will make another contribution to the McCain/Palin campaign.
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:05 am 4. Self-hating boomer:We’d like to encourage all decent Americans to do likewise.
Agree with giving Obama credit where credit is due. The principle should be that if a relative injects him or herself into the campaign, then he/she becomes fair game. Which means that Michelle Obama is fair game but their kids aren’t. Todd Palin isn’t fair game yet, but the first time he speaks publicly, he will be. Again the kids aren’t.
The only kid who would be fair game by this standard would be Chelsea Clinton, who is an adult who chose to be involved in her mother’s campaign. This seems like a fairly straightforward principle.
Needless to say, if you’re going to criticize anyone, you bear the responsibility of being right. Just as the “Obama is a Muslim” crowd is off base, the “Palin never had Trig” crowd is also off base.
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:13 am 5. Chuck Pelto:P.S. Addendum….
….however, whereas Governor Sarah Palin is ‘fair game’, attacks directed at her 17-year old daughter are strictly verboten.
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:16 am 6. barrybarryquitecontrary.com:I don’t know why we’re so surprised. The MSM and liberal socialists make up the rules as they go along. What is surprising is that so many people cling to their low-grade hate, and it is hate. Democrats hate anyone that doesn’t fall in line, lock step, with their propoganda. I mean look at Pelosi & Reed, these two kooks have said some of the most hateful things imaginable. The MSM listens intently with a sober look on their face and declares, why yes Nancy, certainly Harry, the Republicans are the axis of evil, thank you for your astute analysis. What a joke!
McCain/Palin - P.O.W/W.O.W.
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:33 am 7. goy:ex-dem - we have done exactly the same!
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:38 am 8. Chuck Pelto:TO: barrybarryquitecontrary.com
RE: No Surprise
No. I’m certainly not surprised. It’s typical Progressive hypocritical psyops….
The progressives have adopted it, in toto. The way to overcome it, as it IS fairly effective, is to recognize it for (1) what it is, (2) where it comes from and (3) when it, i.e., their ‘truth’, changes.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:53 am 9. Murf:P.S. It also helps to laugh at them as you trot out their hypocrisy before the general public when you detect item #3.
I also don’t understand how a mistake made by a 17 year child somehow translates into Mrs. Palin is going to be a bad VP?? How does that make sense? It all comes down to the dems are scared of this pick for VP because it is a woman which can and most likely will steal a lot of disgruntled Hilary votes.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:04 am 10. Dane:Sadly, this hasn’t been the case since Nixon, at least. The press that declined to publicize evidence of Martin Luther King’s affairs or FDR’s inability to walk does not exist today. If you go into politics nowdays, you should expect to be dragged through the mud, and have everyone around you dragged through the mud. It’s just the way it is.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:06 am 11. Night Owl:I’ve seen no where near the same amount of opprobrium given to Mr. Obama’s admitted teenage drug use, than I have seen surrounding the disclosure of the pregnancy of this teenage girl. The Virgin Birth probably caused less controversy during its time.
I know almost nothing about Ms. Palin. Certainly not enough to judge whether her personal family decisions where good ones. Nor do I feel entitled to pass such judgements. Every fair-minded person knows how complicated family matters are, and wise folk do not get involved in others’ family matters unless dragged into the fray.
I have heard and read things said about this woman and her family that reveal to me that many people today have no sense of decency; and that the left have no claim to the moral high ground when it comes to being narrow-minded, judgmental, and patronizing toward women.
These contrived controversies regarding the reproductive choices of women are ugly and a turnoff for decent, sensible folk. The far-left bloggers like KOS are a blight. But a useful one. They reveal the truth about their ugly, hate-filled hysterical natures. Progressive liberals indeed. (Spit!)
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:09 am 12. Joe C.:I’m sorry. B. Hussein’s admonition rings hollow. First of all, it came 3 days late; second, I suspect that it is more of a defensive gambit to prevent the same type of examination of his friends/family; third, it opens up a warof dirt that he loses; fourthly, he knows it is going to continue anyway so he can appear above it all (even though his campaign probably planted the smears); and lastly, he’s a Democrat, and therefore a liar until proven otherwise.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:23 am 13. barrybarryquitecontrary.com:Chuck Pelto - Yesterday’s ‘truth’ is today’s ‘lie’. — Communist Propaganda axiom
A truth clearly spoken! Sarah Palin represents something very cool and upbeat that I haven’t seen in the political world in my lifetime (I’m 46). She is so different, even from Ronald Wilson Reagan who I voted for at 18. It is going to be very interesting to watch the liberal socialists and MSM overplay their hand on this one. I mean, they overplay their hand every time with their minimally disguised hatred, but few take notice because, afterall, they’re just politicians that are being insulted, degraded and smeared. Sarah “Barracuda” Palin is not a politician, she is one of us.
42% of America will drink the liberal socialist Kool-Aid and vote for Obambi. Oh, but that 5-7% in the middle, those who still have their bullshite meters turned on will be driven right into the McCain/Palin camp in short order. McCain/Palin 2008 - P.O.W./W.O.W
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:24 am 14. Rachel:if the libs want to dis her, let it real issues, like her stance on abortion or even her love of hunting. But for pete’s sake not her daughter. If Palin supported explict sex ed and Bristol STILL got pregnant, how would we libs describe that. After all, sex ed is supposed to make teens make the right decisions.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:36 am 15. Dave ll:What??? No comment from Obama that he regrets Sarah Palin’s daughter has now been “punished” with a baby???
Okay. I know. It’s not HIS daughter so he has no right to say such a thing.
But…the difference in how the Palin’s reacted to this and how Obama characterized such an event if it happened to HIS daughters is a window to their thinking.
That, and the fact Obama has NO concerns about leaving surviving babies of abortions to die on the abortionist’s table.
It’s all in his voting record, baby! (no pun intended.)
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:38 am 16. Scott Somerville:For years now, Republicans have been afraid to touch the “third rail” of abortion politics. The left has spent years saying that for Republican, “life begins with conception and ends at birth.” They know the media will crucify them as soon as the subject comes up. All they have to do is accuse Republicans of “hypocrisy” on abortion and they have them on the run–and for good reason. It’s a dirty little secret of the abortion wars that a huge percentage of abortions are performed on good little Republican girls.
Now McCain picks an “abstinence only” Mom with a pregnant daughter for VP. Is he crazy or just too stupid to run for office? He’s not ignorant–he knew about this. Perhaps he’s willing to take a BIG risk for a big reward. It looks like McCain is willing to bring the whole nasty ugly unresolved abortion issue into this campaign.
Obama isn’t welcoming this discussion of Palin’s daughter–nor should he. The political just got awfully personal! Putting Palin’s choice into the spotlight makes his own choices–and his mother’s–relvant. Obama’s mother was single and 17 when he was conceived. He has said that he would not “punish” his own daughters with a baby if they should wind up pregnant.
Obama’s over-the-top defenders have revealed their own form of hypocrisy. For Democrats, it seems, “privacy begins with conception and ends with abortion.”
Is McCain crazy for daring the Democrats to cross this line in the sand? I don’t think so. The media elites are blind to the possibility that Palin’s position is closer to the center than Obama’s. Obama’s stance on abortion is as far left as you can get. Pro-lifers call him “Senator Infanticide” because he voted against the “Born Alive Infant Protection Act.” Obama lost Pennsylvania, even with the help of pro-life Democrat Bob Casey, Jr. If Republicans are willing to take on the partisan media and DNC, the abortion wars could play out to their benefit in blue-collar Catholic enclaves in Pennsylvania.
I’m a pro-lifer who has long wished the Republicans had the guts to double down and make abortion the issue in a presidential campaign. We’re here now–and I, for one, think it’s to McCain’s advantage.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:39 am 17. Larry J:The Dems are like spoiled children - they insist that everything has to go their way. As just a few examples:
When Bill “I loath the military Clinton” ran against GHW Bush and Bob Dole (WWII vets), we were told that military service isn’t required to be president. When Al Gore (reporter for “Stars & Stripes”) and John “Winter Soldier” Kerry ran against Bush 43, we were told that their times in Vietnam were all important.
When John Kerry married a rich woman with jets and mansions, we were told that it’s none of our business. However, it’s a point of derision for John McCain.
We were told “hands off Chelsea!” but Palin’s teenage daughter is fair game.
I’m sure we can come up with many more examples of Democrat hypocricy. It isn’t hard.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:51 am 18. ic:Dane: The press that declined to publicize evidence of Martin Luther King’s affairs or FDR’s inability to walk does not exist today.
You are so wrong. They declined to publicize evidence of John Edwards’ affair.
As their once beloved president said: it depends on what “is” is. It depends on for whom they are shilling. Thus, a walking gaffe machine is brilliant, unscripted speaking with “ums” and “ahs” are signs of thoughtfulness, 20 months running for the presidency is presidential executive experience, touring European capitals and talking about it is foreign policy experience.
As I said before, Bristol should start her baby running for the presidency now. By the time she is 35, she will have more than 35 years executive experience.
Now the MSM even threatens us riots if Obama loses in Nov.
Sep 2, 2008 - 11:56 am 19. Chuck Pelto:TO: Scott Somerville
RE: The Abortion Issue
Perhaps he is.
Perhaps it’s time.
God knows we’ve murdered more innocent babies than Hitler did Hebrews. Maybe it’s time to face this proverbial elephant in the living room in an open manner. Maybe THIS is the year that separates the ‘goats’ from the ’sheep’.
En gardé!
Chuck(le)
Sep 2, 2008 - 12:04 pm 20. Dave ll:Good post, Scott, and I agree…with one minor exception.
The REAL “dirty little secret” about abortion is the HOLOCAUST in the BLACK community it has caused.
Research it. There would actually be around a THIRD more Blacks in America today if not for abortion. It is the
“secret” the black community refuses to acknowledge.
So while Democrats have championed its “cause”, they have actually hurt themselves politically, with less voters for their liberal message.
Google the history of Margeret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and Planned Parenthood in general. MOST of their clinics are found in low-income, inner-city areas…FOR A REASON! It’s an eye opener and something that if I linked would get this post deleted…it has before.
Sep 2, 2008 - 12:20 pm 21. Dave ll:Oh…I wanted to link this article with Obama in his own words:
“Whenever we define a previable fetus as a person … it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an anti-abortion statute. For that purpose, I think it would probably be found unconstitutional.”
“If this is a child”?
Obama’s Biggest Lie About Supporting Infanticide
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=68556
Sep 2, 2008 - 12:52 pm 22. cedarford:Google the history of Margeret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, and Planned Parenthood in general. MOST of their clinics are found in low-income, inner-city areas…FOR A REASON! It’s an eye opener and something that if I linked would get this post deleted…it has before.
Perhaps they are there because the black underclass is dysfunctional with high rates of promiscuity and pregnancies of unwed teens with no jobs? Which as welfare as a fuel to produce incentives for more births from unwed mothers is being cut back, means the clinics are in use more until - if ever - the underclass becomes responsible. (Worryingly, 2nd and 3rd Gen Hispanics are following the black underclass pattern more and more, so the clinics have plenty other customers than the 16 year old black girl showing up for her 3rd abortion.)
Abortion services are not based on a “secret conspiracy to reduce numbers of black parasites and criminals” but on supply of clinics based on demand.
You CAN put an abortion clinic in a Hassidim community, or a Mormon one, or a well-established black middle-upper class one and you don’t trigger abortions.
Dave II - The REAL “dirty little secret” about abortion is the HOLOCAUST in the BLACK community it has caused.
Research it. There would actually be around a THIRD more Blacks in America today if not for abortion.
Hard to accuse America of perpetrating a Black Holocaust when high black breeding rates has caused their numbers to grow greatly, year after year.
If all the whites who arrived in America had bred like blacks, we’d have nearly 420 million people in America instead of 300.
And since black abortions are clustered in the underclass, where much of America’s tax dollars go in dealing with the effects of the pathologies at root there, and where 1% of America’s population commits over half the violent felonies - the effect of “losses” is not over the whole black population, but in the growing black underclass.
In other words, the black (and don’t overlook the hispanic) underclass is where most of the abortions take place and would be 60% or so larger without what DaveII sees as the “Holocaust” directed against them though their growth rate is still greater than all ethnic groups in America save recent Mexican immigrants and Muslim “refugees” from Africa and the ME.
Now, would a doubling in size of the black underclass, on top of what it has already grown to - be a good thing or bad thing, DaveII?
Sep 2, 2008 - 1:10 pm 23. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Haven’t We Met on Some Distant Field?
I’m referring to ‘realitycheq’ and his run-on sentences….into a block of text that is nigh on unfathomable.
See comment by realitycheq at Sep 2, 2008 - 12:52 pm, above.
Sheesh….
…I’ve seen this before and I know where. The question is, did realitycheq and the other fellow I know who communicates like this go to school together? Or were they separated a birth?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 2, 2008 - 1:26 pm 24. Dave ll:Gee, cedarford…you and Margaret Sanger would get along great!
You see…that was virtually her whole reasoning behind the organizations that became Planned Parenthood. The “underclass” (re: non-white) population could not control themselves when it came to “breeding” so something had to be done or “white civilization” would be overrun.
If you believe that being born black and “underclass” DOOMS you to a life of welfare and poverty…well, you are
right in line with most liberal thinking. No wonder abortion is a panacea to your problem of the “growth” of black or hispanic inner-city populations. Though I’m sure if you studied the problem…hispanic abortions would be far, FAR less than black underclass abortions for no other reason than a strong Catholic church influence and stronger familia ties.
Less blacks…less problems, eh, cedarford?
Sounds logical…Margaret Sanger thought so.
Sep 2, 2008 - 2:20 pm 25. Mike T:The idea that Palin is responsible for her daughter’s behavior is idiotic. Bristol is basically an adult; it’s not like she’s 12 or something. Were it not for her pregnancy, if she were so inclined, she could be serving in Iraq with her brother. By this point in her development, her choices are her own.
Sep 2, 2008 - 2:26 pm 26. Chuck Pelto:TO: realitychick
RE: The YouTube Thing
On the one hand, that was hardly an ‘infinite audio loop’. You must not understand the terminology.
On the other hand, I have not a clue as to who they were talking about vis-a-vis Lyda Green. For all I know they may be justified in their personal opinions of her. And Governor Sarah Palin could be well within her rights to ‘giggle’ at their comments. Lord knows I’ve seen enough so called ‘progressives’ doing the same of late.
What’s your point?
On the third hand, there’s a considerable difference between a talk-radio host calling some politician a ‘cancer’ and a ‘bitch’, and a minister in a pulpit saying “God DAMN America”. But I guess you wouldn’t quite grasp the nuance there. I suspect that you consider all radio hosts to be ministers of some from or another.
Then we get into the ‘personal’ attacks on politicians, right or left.
I think you’re projecting.
I don’t mind if the so-called ‘progressives’ attack conservative politicians. Indeed, this business—over the last couple of days—has been a boon to the conservatives.
It points out the rank hypocrisy of their position; women should NOT be in government, if she’s a conservative.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 2, 2008 - 2:32 pm 27. Chuck Pelto:[The best defense against logic is stupidity.]
P.S. So you are NOT my comrade-in-intellect from Denver Mensa. Okay….are you his sister?
Sep 2, 2008 - 2:33 pm 28. Chaz:I remeber Jack Ryan, who ran for US Senate from IL in 2004. I remember that same year that Kerry’s Divorce records were off limits. I remember the effect the unsealed divorce records had on Jack, who was so disgusted with the whole affair he resigned, and left us ANOTHER chicago pol to vote for.
If this principle had been followed, we would be running against Hillary and not Obama.
Sep 2, 2008 - 2:58 pm 29. Jesus Warrior:Palin is putting more of her family life that any democrat ever have. She is only the vice president candidate, we usually only know name, grade, and school of such childern. Today instead of celebrating choice between political views and the top of the ticket for the White House.
Sep 2, 2008 - 3:02 pm 30. MethodtoMadness:DaveII and Cedarford, you are making my head reel. Go get help. Soon.
As for the article — good work Pam, and I agree wholeheartedly that the personal choices of familymemebers of candidates shouldn’t have any place in our discussion, unless that person becomes part of the campaign.
I do have a couple of grumbles, though, with the article as a whole. Maybe I’m reading the wrong liberal blogs, but I never heard the meme about her teenage kid having Trig until this article. I do also have to echo Realitycheq in this: The one thing that makes me queasy is how Sarah Palin speaks of her choice to keep her most recent pregnancy, and her daughter’s choice to keep hers, but she doesn’t believe a woman should have the legal right to make this choice. That’s highly uncomfortable to me.
Sep 2, 2008 - 3:14 pm 31. Chuck Pelto:TO: MethodtoMadness
RE: Please….
….identify your gender.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 2, 2008 - 4:01 pm 32. el gordo:P.S. Based on your last sentence, I suppose ‘female’.
Realitycheq, MethodtoMadness: You can repeat the word CHOICE all day long. All you are saying in so many words is “Sarah Palin is against abortion and I am for it”. The End. If that is so goddamn important to you that it decides your vote - or if you always vote only liberal anyway - then what else is there to say?
I think perhaps it wasn´t a CHOICE for her if she really believed in the protection of unborn life. But I wouldn´t know because I am sitting on the fence on the whole issue because it´s so comfortable there. That way I don´t have to be proud or self-righteous about it.
Sep 2, 2008 - 4:34 pm 33. el gordo:realitcheq - that interview, if it is real, lasts about a minute. It is in the words of Barack Obama a “snippet”. Maybe her laughter was embarrassment. Maybe Palin was perplexed. Maybe she behaved badly, then it would indeed be a strike against her. Was she aware that Green had had cancer? I don´t know.
But we both know Obama was sitting there for two decades in a church where insane, racist, deeply ideological rants were the norm. And he was not just listening, but he steered tax money the way of Reverends Wright and Pfleger. He also praises Wright in his book, calls him his mentor, named his other book after one of his sermons, got married by him etc, etc. Then he made all kinds of lame excuses for weeks before he finally distanced himself from him.
And that is just one of several questionable relationships both with radical left and the corrupt political machine there. So I may be excused for seeing a pattern here, but not with Palin
Why not cut to the chase? Isn´t the true issue that you have nothing against the radical left? That you don´t have a problem with Wright? Or do you also visit leftwing blogs and get indignant about their hypocrisies too? I´d like to see that.
Sep 2, 2008 - 4:54 pm 34. MethodtoMadness:Chuck(le) — You’re correct, but I don’t necessarily see how my gender has any relevence to what I’m saying. This is a woman who has pushed hard on the “It’s not a choice, it’s a child” line, and now she’s taking an actual child (her new baby), and turning it into a “look at me! I didn’t murder my baby!” First: does she want a cookie for that? Second: if she truly doesn’t believe it’s a choice, she shouldn’t call it one, for herself or her daughter. It makes it seem like she thinks her family should be able to make these decisions, but other families can’t be trusted to come to the correct answer.
El gordo — Your comment makes no sense. And if the government were trying to tell you what to do with your internal organs, you might feel it’s an important issue too.
Sep 2, 2008 - 5:33 pm 35. MethodtoMadness:Oh, and Chuckle — why would the last sentence betray my gender? Just curious.
Sep 2, 2008 - 5:35 pm 36. jdwill:Clive Crook thought some of the vitriol was ‘disappointed amour propre’. Really?
This is actually a good piece, though, with a well framed “blaming the victim” expose.
For my part, I have been gob smacked by the storm of feverish tripe that exploded in the sphere after Palin’s pick.
I mean, I have seen earnest discussions of amniotic fluids and timing deliveries, photo analysis of 17 year old tummies reminiscent the Rather Memogate debacle, gilnetting disputations, tasered 11 year olds, …
Jesus wept.
So in the way of raising the bar, let me cross post two snippets of an article that actually uplifts and informs:
Christopher Orr on TNR’s The Plank
…
Ohio. Virginia. Colorado. Folks.
Sep 2, 2008 - 6:26 pm 37. el gordo:realitycheq - I scrolled up. Your indignation about the left sure doesn´t last long.
“Do I post comments on left wing blogs? Yes, but have noticed that I receive far more vitriolic attacks here than elsewhere. I find that revealing”
I didn´t ask if you comment there. I wondered if you take them to task. Accuse them. Strongly disagree on an ideological point. Make them feel uncomfortable?
If all this is true, Palin showed bad form there. But it is still a moment, not a pattern.
Still nothing bad to say about Obama?
Sep 2, 2008 - 6:52 pm 38. el gordo:MethodtoMadness - I didn´t say it´s not an important issue. I meant there´s nothing more to say once the different positions are stated.
Though I am glad to hear that you are a small government person. I am very keen on keeping the government out of as many things as possible and focused on the few things it´s meant for. Perhaps we´ll make a conservative of you yet.
Sep 2, 2008 - 7:01 pm 39. jdwill:realitycheq
Thank you. I like to watch the horserace on RealClearPolitics, pretty sure NM is blue, NH too. NV will likely stay red. The mystery (to me) is Virginia. It’s typically a 8% red state, but its been hanging dead even. McCain needs all of OH, VI, and CO. Obama can win with two or Ohio alone.
Sep 2, 2008 - 7:17 pm 40. Alo Kievalar:Oh piffle !
I’m not a “far-left” anything or a right-wing conservative or a fundamental Christian fanatic. I’m just a “normal” general a-political citizen neither fully Democrat or Republican or fully anything else.
But McCain made a fatal error with Palin. It’s so obvious I wonder why it’s being discussed at all.
There is no “smear” campaign against Palin by anybody. A “smear” generally means that someone is accused of doing something that actually didn’t happen or the accusation is spun to injure the accused in an unfair manner.
But Ms. Palin’s pregnancy DID happen. It’s a fact. There’s simply no sweeping that under the rug.
No one is damming the pregnant Palin for her condition…after all, in this day and age, there are millions that share her situation. In fact, in this day and age, it’s almost an honor to be considered a “single parent”. It’s a badge of honor of sorts. It’s an offshoot of the great modern philosophy of “victimhood”.
To me, the whole situation is laughable.
But the fact is, Ms Palin’s mother is running for VP of the USA. That puts the young Palin’s situation, like it or not, in an entirely different light than that of the single mom working at TARGET.
If you can’t or won’t see that, then there’s nothing I or anyone can say that will change your mind.
In a word, if Sarah Palin were TRULY concerned about the future of this country and about her party’s chances of winning the election, she should recuse herself from her position and withdraw her candidacy for VP. It’s the only “decent” thing to do.
Not that that will help McCain in the long term.
He didn’t have a chance to begin with. But with Palin at his side, not only will he lose, but he’ll become the laughing-stock of the tens of millions of voters who feel just like I do.
Sep 2, 2008 - 7:18 pm 41. jdwill:There is no “smear” campaign against Palin by anybody.
Well, since Kos flushed every diarist ArcXIX had on his site, and, since Alan Colmes deleted his obnoxious pre-natal care post at his site, you might be approaching the proximity of a point.
But then we could always check the G cache just to remind ourselves how wrong you truly are.
Expecting her to resign as an act of decency in the face of the smears and your incoherent view of social mores is just demented, lunatic inversion.
Sep 2, 2008 - 7:44 pm 42. jdwill:re: Wilting Astorias
Sarah Palin is opening a different can of W.A.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/02/palin-goes-on-offense-in-troopergate-releases-affidavit/
Read the PDF. Wooten is toast.
Sep 2, 2008 - 8:05 pm 43. westerncanadian:I recommend that everyone in the US visits the daily kos web site http://www.dailykos.com/
Sep 2, 2008 - 9:19 pm 44. HRPKathy:Here one may see what liberals are saying and thinking. Once a person drinks from that well, their comments about Sarah Palin could not possibly be rational or objective. For some reason she has unhinged a large part of the leftosphere.
Actually, I don’t think it will be that close. Lieberman helps McCain in the NE, Palin appeals to the Rust Belt and the upper midwest, and the south is locked up.
There is NO way NC goes for Obama. None. People crossed over here for Rush’s chaos and had to change registrations for that - so the ratios are off on the polling. There’s going to be a lot of that.
Also Colorado - Palin puts that in play, NM too. Especially if the Obamabots keep calling Alaska a small state or a rural state.
Sep 2, 2008 - 10:38 pm 45. el gordo:realitycheq, do you go on Democratic Underground or Kos and challenge them? Maybe last week with the video of two Democrat congressmen high-fiving each other over Hurricane Gustav (which in all fairness is as tasteless as that other interview - but it´s already forgotten, naturally)?
I´m asking because my experience is that the reaction is not at all prettier than here. Rather the opposite.
In recent days I have seen incredibly crude comments on Palin that defy belief. Explicit, sexually degrading comments on liberal blogs. It´s what liberals call hate speech when it is applied to people they like. I have occasionally rebuked commenters on conservative blogs over nonsense rumors and so on. But I have never seen anything like this on a conservative blog.
Sep 3, 2008 - 1:34 am 46. jdwill:realitycheq
That’s a good analysis. It could severely stress the electoral system. We could seem some world class electoral game playing that could really shake peoples belief in the system.
http://www.fairvote.org/e_college/faithless.htm
It looks like many of these were protest votes that did not change elections, but the potential is there.
Anyway, Looking at the tracking for NH, I don’t think it will go for McCain/Palin. Unless the “Live free or die” folks there have some strong kinship with Alaska’s libertarian ethic that changes things. BTW, I’ve been to NH and really like it there.
Sep 3, 2008 - 4:05 am 47. Chuck Pelto:TO: RealityChick
RE: Various Items of Interest
No. I really don’t recognize the name of Lyda Green. And have no idea as to whether or not I agree with the talk-radio host that they are a (1) “cancer” and/or (2) “bitch”.
They could be right, for all I know.
And yet you take umbrage. And my ignorance is supposed to be ‘evil’?
Get a LIFE….for cry’n out loud. And preferably one that doesn’t make you part of a modern ‘Spanish Inquisition’. You probably wouldn’t fit with the Monty Python’s Flying Circus crew anyway.
Oh! So THAT’s it. Can’t call women names, eh?
So tell me. When did YOU become a convert to Christ?
By the way, ‘BITCH’ is an acronym
Boys,
I’m
Taking
Charge
Here
Good on you.
As for her policies, you don’t like em? Don’t vote for her.
No. The former is FAR WORSE.
Possibly because Palin agreed with the talk-radio host’s comments about Lyda Green.
Just like Obama didn’t object when the
goodReverend Wright was cursing America and anyone whose skin wasn’t as dark-a-complexion as his. Therefore, by inference, Obama agreed with thegoodReverend Wright. After all, he sat through…what….20 YEARS of listening to him.Don’t ya think? [Note: Well....probably not.....]
My mistake on the first sentence. I’ve encountered all too many women here who think that way.
As for classifications, you ‘pigeon-hole’ yourself on abortion. But that’s another topic for another thread.
Thank you for recognizing my freedom of expression in the public venue.
And thank YOU for learning how to break up your over-running paragraphical communications. Something my associate amongst Denver Ms never DID learn.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[Don’t call her a ‘chick’. Broads HATE that.]
P.S. So Lyda Green is a ‘cancer survivor’. What’s the problem? That someone knows she had cancer? Or that she survived?
I tell you the truth, at this moment as I sit here typing this, my mother-in-law is 30 feet down the hallway from me in my house with Stage IV squamous carcinoma of the neck, cheeks, chin and tongue. She looks like someone recent beat her with a hammer on all those parts.
The doctors have told us that they can’t kill it. They can’t even stop it. And I don’t get upset when someone mentions someone has cancer. And I applaud the fact that someone has overcome this dread disease. Such successes should be shouted from the rooftop.
But there’s a difference between having survived cancer and BEING a cancer on society. And taking umbrage about the latter vis-a-vis a bout with the former is the sort of political correctness that IS a ‘cancer on society’.
Sep 3, 2008 - 8:46 am 48. m. smith:Reports are that Obama’s parents were not married. And if I remember rightly Bill Clinton’s brother married a very pregnant bride. The celebrities are paraded with children from their many liaisons, but that is commendable. There was a case in the UK where a boy of about 14 impregnated his class mate. He told the judge that they taught it in school so they tried it out. Sex dominates the TV shows, the movies, the magazines etc. and the best of parents cannot watch their children 24 hours per day. There have been many 17 year old pregnant brides all over the world. Bristol Palin has not opened any doors, and has not closed any doors. I am sure her parents would rather the pregnancy had not occurred, but is their business, not the business of the world. The Press keeps quiet about the adulterous affairs of those they like - now which is worse? And do they report the abortions? Ofcourse not.
Sep 3, 2008 - 5:13 pm 49. Chuck Pelto:TO: RealityChick
RE: Replies
Apparently my reply to your last was too long and did not pass the moderators.
To see my response, please click on my name to visit the blog I usually write tomes on. I think you’ll find it professionally interesting.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
Sep 4, 2008 - 1:24 am 50. Chuck Pelto:[Don't loose heart. They may want to cut it out.]
P.S. And if you don’t choose to take my advice, “Vaya con Dios, compadre.”
Sep 4, 2008 - 1:28 am 51. kimberly:Oh, unless they are Democrats or dare I say, the “L” word, Liberals! Get a clue all!
Sep 4, 2008 - 10:13 am 52. Jeannette:Assuming the Electoral College commenters think that Virginia’s postal code is VI? (Not that the US Virgin Island will be a crucial factor in the race, right?) It’s VA.
Until it’s confirmed one way or the other, I’m going to assume the video in question is just as dishonest as Peggy Noonan’s, or the one with half of Palin’s comments about the vice-presidency.
So, what kind of sex education did Bristol Palin receive in school? Was it the kind her mother favors, or was it comprehensive? To which type of sex ed can we attribute this “failure”? One of the limitations of abstinence education is the lack of NFP training. If girls who want to abstain knew when they’re fertile, it would help their decision (and fewer trout would be subject to sex-change from the hormones urinated into rivers these past 40 years)
Sep 4, 2008 - 10:28 am 53. Shellbell:It seems to me the republican’s are defending her for no reason. No one is criticising her for having a pregnant daughter. Not even Obama. Who are you protecting her from? Nobody disagrees that the pregnancy has little bearing on her credentials. No one disagrees that the media are whore’s for a story. Put blame where blame is due. If I’m wrong, you better have proof and I will admit defeat. However, I truly believe these kind of stories are started by uneducated soap opera watching idiots with or without political association and/or the same media whore’s that think we care if britney wears underwear. You can’t even give props to Obama without an insult. Come on already, we all live in glass houses.
Sep 17, 2008 - 2:41 pm