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Beware of right-wing rabble rousers who shout radical slogans like "Give me liberty — or give me death!"
There has been a great deal of controversy over the release by the Department of Homeland Security of an analysis by its Extremism and Radicalization Branch about the threats posed by right-wing extremism. One of my sources at DHS recently provided me with a copy of another highly-classified memorandum prepared by that same office. Because of its importance to the public debate, I have reproduced it below, with the informant’s email information deleted to protect his identity.
CLASSIFIED FOR OFFICIAL USE ONLY
U.S. Department of homeland Security
Office of Intelligence and Analysis
Assessment
21 April 2009
Prepared by the Extremism and Radicalization Branch, Environment Threat Analysis Division. Not coordinated with those wusses at the FBI.
TO: Janet Napolitano
Secretary
Department of Homeland Security
RE: Follow-up to 7 April 2009 Report: “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.”
(U)SCOPE: Recommendation for implementation of immediate surveillance of right-wing extremists in Virginia
As you are aware from the 7 April report that DOS circulated to federal, state, and local law enforcement personnel, we are concerned over radicalization and recruitment by right-wing extremists who pose a danger of instigating domestic terrorism. In that report, the Extremism and Radicalization Branch (ERB) warned about right-wing extremism that is “mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority” and is against “restrictions on firearms ownership and use.”
In fact, one of our primary concerns is the “high volume of purchases and stockpiling of weapons and ammunition by right-wing extremists.” We expressed our concern “that right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.” In fact, we are very worried about the “militia movement’s opposition to gun control efforts, criticism of free trade agreements … and perceived government infringement on civil liberties.”
Our review and monitoring of public meetings and publications in Virginia have brought to our attention two individuals who fit these profiles and who, in our informed law enforcement opinion, are right-wing extremists who pose an imminent danger to the United States, particularly the federal government.
SUBJECTS OF INVESTIGATION:
The first individual is a resident of Louisa County, Virginia. He urged his fellow Virginians to arm themselves in a diatribe at St. John’s Church in Richmond, when the legislature was in session. In fact, he urged mobilization of a militia to oppose federally-authorized confiscation of illegal weapons and ammunition. St. John’s Church is obviously a violent Christian Identity organization (see page 4 of our initial report) and its dangerous, fundamentalist Christian cult will be the subject of a separate law enforcement memorandum.
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Hans A. von Spakovsky served for two years as a Commissioner on the Federal Election Commission. His recess appointment ended on December 31, 2007, when the Senate failed to confirm him because of Democratic opposition to his regular nomination over his support of voter ID requirements despite the Supreme Court upholding their constitutionality. Prior to his appointment to the FEC, he spent four years at the Justice Department, the last three as a career Counsel to the Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division.
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1. BPT (Australia):Michelle Malkin doesn’t look like an extremist to me.
May 7, 2009 - 1:26 am 2. gus3:This is an excellent example of the dictatorship of vocabulary over culture.
May 7, 2009 - 2:10 am 3. Carl:“Blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.” America is to blame for and got what it deserved with the terrorist attacks on September 11th, 2001. Teachings of Barrack Hussein Obama’s family church pastor of 20+ years Reverend Jeremy Wright who advocates vitriolic “black liberation theology” inciting blacks into civil revolt and racial hatred against America, whites and Jews.
If I had a neighbor living next door to me that fit the above description I’d damn sure want something in the windows besides flower pots.
What do you do when that neighbor lives in the Whitehouse?
May 7, 2009 - 5:06 am 4. Mike2:Okay, had me sucked in there for a while! Great satire and yes, if Patrick Henry were still alive he would be a target of Napolitano’s DHS. Says a lot about how far we have fallen in this country and how much of our liberty we have lost already.
Great piece Mr. von Spakovsky.
May 7, 2009 - 5:40 am 5. D-wah:Iowahawk-esque–way to go.
May 7, 2009 - 7:08 am 6. Left Wing Extremism:I think we’d better start focusing on Left-wing Extremism – it’s taken over our government, our schools and half of our voting population.
May 7, 2009 - 7:23 am 7. Pastor of Muppets:BPT (Australia): “Michelle Malkin doesn’t look like an extremist to me.”
Anyone who poses for pictures with a someone holding a swastika sign is an extremist in most people’s books.
May 7, 2009 - 7:24 am 8. sheesh:7 Pastor . . . There you go again, confusing the gun-toting Trekkies with facts and reminders of their sandy foundation. It’s like poking a ground squirrel with a stick – they’ll run away, but they’ll be back with a mouth full of nuts.
May 7, 2009 - 7:46 am 9. AThinkingPerson:Re:#7 “Anyone who poses for pictures with a someone holding a swastika sign is an extremist in most people’s books.
So how would you classify someone who sat in a church pew for 20 some odd years listening to a pastor say “GOD DAMN AMERICAN!” over and over and over and over and over and then….
…. lies about it?
May 7, 2009 - 7:49 am 10. Pastor of Muppets:Timothy Dale Johnson, 50, of Searcy, Arkansas gunman entered Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney’s Little Rock office and shot him several times in the upper body, killing him. The gunman entered the campaign offices and said he was interested in volunteering, but then pushed his way through to Gwatney’s offices and murdered him.
59-year-old Jim Adkisson killed two parishioners and wounded many others in a Tennessee church shooting. He left a four-page letter ranting against liberals, was known by his acquaintances to hate “blacks, gays and anyone who was different from him,” left a pile of books by O’Reilly, Savage and Hannity behind in his car, and even wore a red-white-and-blue shirt to his church killing spree.
Richard Andrew Poplawski, who shot and killed 3 police officers, was a young man convinced the nation was secretly controlled by a cabal that would eradicate freedom of speech, take away his guns and use the military to enslave the citizenry. Believing most media were covering up important events, Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones, a self-described documentarian with roots going back to the extremist militia movement of the early 1990s.
These people are terrorists. They are not killing to defend themselves, or for money, or for respect. They are killing to make a statement. They are murdering innocent people and civil servants in an attempt to terrify, intimidate and silence their opponents, which is the essence of terrorism.
This is exactly why the Bush administration was correct to include people like this on the extremist watch list, and exactly why it’s a good idea for the Obama administration to keep them on the list.
May 7, 2009 - 7:52 am 11. Chemman:Pastor of Muppets your alter call for statism doesn’t seem to be effective here. Go back to your mupppets and preach to them maybe they will give a %^$#.
May 7, 2009 - 7:57 am 12. Marge:I don’t agree or disagree with this information. I would like to know more. But one thing I ask, who ever said Patrick Henry was a republican. I didn’t know that.
May 7, 2009 - 8:03 am 13. Pastor of Muppets:Chemman: “Pastor of Muppets your alter call for statism doesn’t seem to be effective here. Go back to your mupppets and preach to them maybe they will give a %^$#. “
Oh, I get it, when it’s Muslim terrorist, we can torture them. But when it’s a white terrorist, we shouldn’t even put their name on a list? Go back to Stormfront, nazi.
May 7, 2009 - 8:46 am 14. Professor Guvinoff:If they dig deeper into this line of enquiry, pretty soon they will have to get a FISA warrant to intercept George Washington, James Madison and Ben. Franklin’s cellphones text messages. Watch your six O’clock. These people are dangerous!
May 7, 2009 - 8:58 am 15. anton:@10. Pastor of Muppets,
Did you even read the article before your started preaching to the sock-puppets?
This is a parody of the DHS documant that was released earlier this month.
I live and work next to the the decaying sewer known as Detroit. All the bad guys have guns and they kill hundreds of people a year, laws against murder notwithstanding. And you get worked up by two obviously crazy people who are chattering right wing stuff, and to support your point you have to cherry-pick news items across an entire nation for the year. Did you notice the only time there were thousands of murders commited by the only ACTUAL group of right wing religious nuts operating in the US?
Islamists killed thousands of US citizens on 9/11. They are the ultimate right-wing religion wanting to turn the clock back 900 years to when they amounted to something in this world.
These are the one you need to worry about.
May 7, 2009 - 9:00 am 16. willynilly:So Pastor of Muppets, than you would agree that Mr. Ayers and Ms Dohrn are terrorists because in your words “They are killing to make a statement”
Careful what you wish for.
May 7, 2009 - 9:07 am 17. Self-hating Boomer:It’s 1993 again. Who is going to be Randy Weaver this time? What religious compound is going to be burned to the ground to save it? Just a hunch, but I think it won’t be a mosque or a black church.
May 7, 2009 - 9:24 am 18. Samizdat:The leftists in this country using the compliant and conspiratorial MSM as their principal mouth piece have purposefully gone after those of us who believe as the Founding Fathers believed labeling us as “extremists” or as part of the “extreme right wing” If you identify with the philosophy of Madison, Jefferson, Franklin, Washington or Adams you are now identified as some sort of kook.
The repeated musings of those who identify us as such, Pastor being one of them, demonstrate that they reject the general philosophy of the Founders and wish to substitute in it’s place the social structures prefered by Marx, through bastardized Keynsianism. As President Obama and Treasury Secretary Geihtner scuttle contract and unilaterally put the government and Labor in charge of whole industries and our lending institutions, I ask one question;
Who are the radical extremists?
May 7, 2009 - 9:25 am 19. Ed Wallis:Can we all here please agree that “Pas ‘o’ Mup” is an
interloping troll with NO other objectives than to divert, disrupt and divide?!
PLEASE IGNORE THIS TROLL.
May 7, 2009 - 9:29 am 20. ked5:12. Marge:
I don’t agree or disagree with this information. I would like to know more. But one thing I ask, who ever said Patrick Henry was a republican.
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Margie, honey, you just don’t get it. it ISN’T about political parties, it’s about FREEDOM of the people. Patrick Henry was very much for FREEDOM of the people – something the current government powers are taking away (do you *know* what socialism is? that’s what we’re being turned into) at an alarming rate.
May 7, 2009 - 9:47 am 21. Sherab Zangpo:I agree with the other posters who liked this column because it highlights that THIS ADMINISTRATION seems to be using stalinistic tactics (”the nazis say X, whoever says X is a nazi”) to criminalize dissent.
As I said some days ago, a further reason for worrying is the kind of arguments used by the trolls who infest our nice forum: they follow the totalitarians’ line and keep on repeating things like “the murderer X was against gun control, therefore whoever is against gun control is a murderer”.
It’s obvious that all these positions are not dangerous in themselves (since they are worth nothing in terms of logic and thought) but THE INTENTION to use this kind of totalitarian logic reveals the will to reduce to silence any opposition.
We must hope that honest women and men will reject this attitude as profoundly un-American (and anti-American).
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
May 7, 2009 - 9:50 am 22. Wineplz:Great satire! Very effective writing and wonderful research.
BTW, MargeMay 7, 2009 – 8:03 am, the article doesn’t say anything about Patrick Henry being a Republican, only a “right-wing extremist”…he was, by all historical accounts, a Conservative to the core–rejected power for the federal gov’t and was a HUGE supporter of the Bill of Rights.
May 7, 2009 - 9:57 am 23. Anonymous:“19. Ed Wallis:
Can we all here please agree that “Pas ‘o’ Mup” is an
interloping troll with NO other objectives than to divert, disrupt and divide?!”
No, but I do agree that many of the folks in here are extremists, or at least have sympathies for extremists.
Exhibit A: The utter contempt for the MSM.
Look, I can understand why you don’t like the mainstream. What I don’t understand is why you can’t admit you’re an extremist?
May 7, 2009 - 11:15 am 24. avoidswork:lemme get this straight…
the guy accused of politicizing the Civil Rights division of the US Justice Department, the guy lambasted by career civil servants and the (recess) appointment who withdrew his name for the FEC…is writing a satirical article on right wing extremism?
Gawd, you PJMers absolutely slay me.
You do know that a left-wing extremism report exists, correct? Except it has a lower level of violence attached to it (except under “Animal Rights Activists” and is heavy on use of cyber attacks (nonviolent).
Whaaaambulance alert!
May 7, 2009 - 11:33 am 25. Chuckt:The fact is this administration has only begun with cramming down modified loan contracts on those brazen enough to lend to the car companies, throwing years of established bankruptcy law down the toilet. See George Will’s column this week; he says maybe the auto unions, as owners, will now sit on both sides of the negotiating table. And . . . putting non-secured creditors in line ahead of secured – you ain’t seen nothin’ yet – just wait until you try to get an elective medical procedure done under Obama’s health care plan; in all likelihood, you’ll wait months, if not longer, for a non-elective procedure, and more for an elective.
May 7, 2009 - 11:43 am 26. Fragmentarian:Ignore the troll? You mean the Molester of Moppets? I’d ignore him with an easy mind if it wasn’t for the poor … moppets.
May 7, 2009 - 11:49 am 27. Ed Wallis:‘23 is so cowardly, “it” can’t even claim a name…
…err…except to throw “labels” out at others:
extermist (copyright 2009)
Bushitler (c 2001-2008)
waaahhhh waaaahhhh waaaaahhhh (c eternally)
C’mon, “anon”, like “Jeff” and all the other leftist cowards – take a long walk off a short pier and stay on the sites your mommies say are “safe” for you.
May 7, 2009 - 12:30 pm 28. Pat J:So, Ed. What’s you’re opinion of the article? Does the author make a valid point with his satire? Is the Federal government overreacting?
May 7, 2009 - 1:22 pm 29. HalifaxCB:avoidswork @24
I think an argument could be made that many of the Great Urban Welfare Dependencies of the States are actually operating under a pretty significant nihilist terror threat; it’s just labelled “violent/organized crime”. See, for example, the FBI’s 2007 “Crime in the United States”, such as Table 16: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2007/data/table_16.html .
As for the article, it’s a pretty humourous take, and it certainly had me going for a bit. But there’s a serious side; HS is in a sense trying to pretend that there’s a modern Shay’s rebellion in the works (for those interested, see Wikipedia’s article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shays%27_Rebellion ), which was lead by aggrieved demobbed soldiers of the Continental Army, and was triggered by the high inflation caused by the debasement of the Continental dollar, and ruinous taxation. (Curiously enough, it was most feared by the “elites of Boston”, but I digress).
Unlike the modern (or even pre-Constitution) mandarin class, the Founders of the American Republic recognized that the way to address these problems wasn’t through suppression, but through the guarantee of liberty (hence the Constitutional Congress, and the Constitution). It’s still the most valid solution.
May 7, 2009 - 1:23 pm 30. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: Wanna Place a Bet….
…that Anonymous @ #23 (above) is another incarnation of OOMO?
Ever since OOMO admitted on this venue to be an obese, twinkie-loving, post-operative trans-sexual with, what most perceived to be serious issues involving mental capacity, they disappeared. And, suddenly, we have these “Anonymous” and “Anon.” characters showing up and acting like OOMO did.
Admittedly, anyone can post as “Anonymous”, but I’d not noticed many of them before OOMO’s ‘disappearing’ act, shortly after their unfortunate ‘confession’.
Now, we’re seeing more of the “Anonymous” types than I can recall of late.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 7, 2009 - 1:26 pm 31. Samizdat:[I believe in 'coincidence'. I just don't trust it.]
ChuckT @#25,
You are exactly on point. President Obama used intimidation and the cramdown threat to punish investors who were in a secured position and had helped float Chrysler in the past.
Here’s my investment strategy.I own an American Car, a Ford. Until the secured creditors are repaid and equilibrium restored, I will never buy a Chrysler product. I will ride a camel, lama or yak before I buy a Chrysler-Fiat. If GM goes the same route, the same will be true for it’s products. If I have to I will buy a foriegn auto, but never a Chrysler or GM.
Did you hear the President prattle on about Toyota and if they can build a Hybrid a US company can? Does he understand that Toyota SUBSIDIZES production of the hybrids through their other conventionally powered lines because the hybrid would be prohibitively expensive for consumers otherwise? How will GM or Chrysler fair given that economic reality?
If I were a hedgefund manager I would look carefully at investing funds outside of the US banking industry and automobile companies. How can you be confident of a return on your investment after the move that President Obama pulled last week? There are industries in our country worth investing in, but not those two, not anymore.
May 7, 2009 - 1:56 pm 32. Samizdat:Posters,
Notice two things about what Avoidswork said at #24 above. He immediatly attacks the author of the satire personally. Leftists like him or her can not avoid the slippery slope of ad hominem attack, they always go to it.
Notice as well that in his world the lefty extremists are ok because they only attack personal property and are therefore “nonviolent”. So vandalism is also ok with Avoidswork.
Very revealing and not at all surprising.
May 7, 2009 - 2:07 pm 33. AThinkingPerson:#10 Pastor of Muppers exact words: “These people are terrorists. They are not killing to defend themselves, or for money, or for respect. They are killing to make a statement. They are murdering innocent people and civil servants in an attempt to terrify, intimidate and silence their opponents, which is the essence of terrorism.”
Obviously then you agree that TeleBama has been cavorting with terrorists. Does the name
……………………BILL AYERS…………….come to mind? He fits your definition of a terrorist perfectly. So therefore, you voted in a terrorist sympathizer. Pathetic.
May 7, 2009 - 2:15 pm 34. Delia:30. Chuck Pelto:
TO: All
RE: Wanna Place a Bet….
~
Not sure about ‘anon’ [yet] but 29. sheesh gave his hand away by calling Bilgeman “Bilgemaster 3000″ (and also giving you an ‘honorable’ mention too). He always ends up giving himself away with his blatant slip-ups. -Not too bright that one! -But, he seems to think he’s managed to scare posters away from PJM with his brilliant mind even though he’s the one who changes monikers more often than he probably changes his own frilly panties.
Viva the Right Wing Extremists who know how to knit and hit a target!
Speaking of ‘Viva’…
I haven’t seen hide nor hair of ‘Vivo’ lately either? Hmm.
May 7, 2009 - 2:23 pm 35. Erasmus:Yes, Bill Ayers was a terrorist. Considering prosecutorial misconduct in the late 70’s resulted in the charges getting dropped against him, there’s not a whole hell of a lot you can do about his past life.
It’s probably a good thing for all of us that Ayers hasn’t gotten as much as a jaywalking ticket since then. Unless you’re going to argue that he has continued killing people, this is a nonsensical argument to keep falling back.
Speaking of falling back, it’s amazing how one 30 second clip of Rev. Wright saying “God Damn America” has somehow morphed in your minds to “he said that every week over and over and over for twenty years”, and the like. The man served our military with distinction in Vietnam, so let’s maybe one day think about ratcheting down the rhetoric about him, m’kay?
May 7, 2009 - 2:34 pm 36. HalifaxCB:Chuck @30 – they could be different. It’s just that members of the Cult of Unity (aka the Hive Mind) are more or less like the flagella on any other species of e. coli…
Samizdat @31 – any large company with a significantly unionized workforce is now a risky investment. The US markets used to attract lots of investment because they were the most transparent in the world; now with the fairly brazen attempts on the part of this administration to manipulate its bonds, and the apparent manipulation of the stock market by the large TARP (formerly known as investment) banks and certain wealthy Obama supporters, combined with the threat of severe inflation from overheated presses and the use of political pressure to direct markets, it’s a very dicey proposition.
May 7, 2009 - 2:39 pm 37. Delia:Erasmus,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM
Rev. Wright is a full-on, white-hating, nutter loon! Are you actually standing up for that whack job? Rev. W. believes Jesus was a freakin’ BLACK man. I bet the Jews have a real ‘hoot’ over that one. LMFAO!
Dude, put down the bong.
May 7, 2009 - 2:46 pm 38. Samizdat:HalifaxCB @36,
Thank you for amplifying upon my thoughts and incorporating the trans world market angle. Can you say capital flight?
I will keep making the point until it is understood. If you want to have a sucessful welfare state, you need to make sure that the economy of the state is humming along, growing in productivity, with expanding GDP. You will then have Laffer growth in your tax revenuen and you can divert that off to create your utopian welfare state.
When you do what President Obama and this Congress are doing, namely declaring war on capitalism, free enterprise, and growth, and increasing market uncertainty, you predictably get diminished confidence and anemic growth. You kill off the goose that lays the golden eggs. Marxists view the world through zero sum glasses. They are unable to see the interrelationship between government policies and healthy capitalism or ill capitalism. When people become unhappy in their world they are mystified as to why. They never learn how it works because their ideology prevents actual acknowledgment of truth.
This is why candidate Obama NEVER spoke of the early 1980’s when discussing his economic vision or the sickness of the economy. Reaganomics is an intellectual threat to the validity of his argument. The undeniable explosive growth that developed from Reagan’s policies evicerates the validity of Obamanomics.
Both Norway and Sweden have actually cut back on the amont of GDP that the governments of those two countries consume. This is because they recognise that healthy economies generate the revenues they need for government to function.
I will be surprised if Pastor, and some of the other leftwing types who visit here ever grow to understand this. When they do, it’s going to make it a lot harder for conservatives like me. I am not at all worried at this point.
May 7, 2009 - 3:14 pm 39. Ed Wallis:#29 PatJ,
I found it fine work…
…somewhere between IMAO humor
May 7, 2009 - 3:17 pm 40. fred:and
“Guide to the Perfect Latin American Idiot” satire (a la Voltaire, etc…).
HalifaxCB,
Your posts are educational and right on the money. Stick around and help keep our discussions interesting and constructive. BTW, if you are a Canadian up there in NS, been up there a number of times. As a New Englander I like the Maritime provinces.
Your comment about the U.S. being a less attractive place for investment is spot on. This is a huge worry. Been aware of this ever since two weeks before the election when it was obvious Obonga was going to win. Every time he opens his mouth the markets take a dive. No friend of investors, and his actions prove it.
People like me who are concerned about the survivability of the Constitution and are concerned about Eric Holder’s views, contra Heller, about the 2nd Amendment, are labeled “extremists.” I was a Marxist during the Reagan days, up to 1987, and I never felt threatened by the federal government. And even though I was opposed to his policies back in those days, I never felt the outrage then like I feel towards Obonga now. In fact, eventually Reagan won me over. The Usurper now only causes me to dig in my heels.
May 7, 2009 - 3:28 pm 41. Erasmus:Reaganomics? The problem with extolling Reaganomics is whatever savings he might have made with his token domestic budget cuts (as well as a social security tax increase), was that he tripled the defense budget. Lo and behold, the budget deficit exploded under his watch.
It should go without saying that possibly our budget deficit this decade wouldn’t have been so bad if we hadn’t borrowed a few trillion dollars from China to invade and occupy a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.
Unless the GOP is willing to admit that maybe having a defense budget that exceeds the rest of the world combined is excessive and on the table for budget cuts, then pardon me for being skeptical that tax cuts are literally the only solution for anything that ails the economy.
May 7, 2009 - 3:32 pm 42. Chuck Pelto:TO: Erassmass
RE: REALLY?????!?!??
“The man [the
goodreverend Wright] served our military with distinction in Vietnam, so let’s maybe one day think about ratcheting down the rhetoric about him, m’kay?” — ErassmassHe did? Interesting. Is he a victim of AGENT ORANGE?
Are you entering an ‘insanity plea’ for him?
Hell. Senator McCain “served our military with distinction in Vietnam”, and look what he did lately…..shot a hole in the Bill of Rights, vis-a-vis McCain-Feingold, he could fly his fighter-bomber through it.
Soooo….
….tell US why we should ‘forgive’ Reverend Wright for calling down curses from God upon US.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 7, 2009 - 3:37 pm 43. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out....]
P.S. And don’t forget….
….our Dear Leader, i.e., the One you worship, sat through 20 years of his God cursing America lectures and never realized what he was saying…..
May 7, 2009 - 3:44 pm 44. sheesh:34. Delia . . . “Not sure about ‘anon’ [yet] but 29. sheesh gave his hand away by calling Bilgeman “Bilgemaster 3000″
Sheesh, Delia, you act like this is some kind of revelation. Duh!
May 7, 2009 - 4:07 pm 45. avoidswork:Um, yes, I attacked von Spakovsky. His credibility is questionable to me, personally.
But, what I don’t understand is why you aren’t concerned with people like Richard Poplawski who repeats some of the commentary from the Right regarding Obama taking away guns and the like?
There is a fear culture, which is represented *here* in this very thread, that continues to be propogated. The 23-yr old shooting suspect, Poplawski, gives right-wing rhetoric as some of his examples. Shooter in TN church, reads BillO etc.
I am not isolated left/right in terms of violence. But the DHS report leans more towards cyber attacks from the left and some violence from the right. And, for the record, I never advocated violence, simply pointed out the content of the 10 or so page PDFs on both reports.
Again, what’s the drama regarding the report?
“Lefties” go cyber and use computers to attack businesses (sans Animal Rights Activists which do get a nod toward violence).
“Righties” such as skinheads, Timothy McVeighs, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, etc.
Whatever. I read PJM for entertainment purposes these days…
May 7, 2009 - 4:19 pm 46. Delia:44. sheesh,
“Sheesh, Delia, you act like this is some kind of revelation. Duh!”
ROTFL! I’ve been saying that about you as “sheesh” since your grand entrance as said moniker.
I’m glad you own up to it though. You big goof! Ya do crack me up sometimes when you’re not breathing down my neck on multiple threads like a cyber-stalker. I thank you for that.
~
40. fred,
You’re the last person I would consider an extremist. Ha! You’re a ‘truth-ist’, a ‘patriot-ist’, a ‘constitutional-ist’ but, you ain’t no ‘extremist’ by a long shot.
-And, you’re right, HalifaxCB makes some very credible posts and I hope HalifaxCB sticks around!
May 7, 2009 - 4:41 pm 47. Samizdat:Ersasmus @ 41,
It never fails, I contemplated bringing this up , but decided to let it slide to see what would happen. What lefties always try to hang around Reagan’s neck is the “exploding defense caused” deficit argument. Here is why the wheels come off that old cart.
Firstly, after Carter and the Dem dominated Congress of the mid 70’s our military was in a shambles. It had to be rebuilt and was, spectacularly so. It is esentially Reagan’s military that won Desert Storm and one of the two most recent conflicts. It is also the military that President Clinton employed to kick some Serious A%$ in the Balkans and degrade Sadam Hussien’s WMD program in 1998. That militaries superior training and equipment produced some of the lowest casualty figures in the history of warfare when comparing troops deployed and man hours fought. Your analysis completely ignores quality and effectiveness and relies entirely on a faulty “economics only” analysis.
Secondly, as a percentage of GDP the deficit that was created by BOTH DOMESTIC AND MILITARY SPENDING during Reagan’s terms fell as the economy grew. It’s not the size of the number that counts, it is the numbers relationship to the size of GDP that matters. The economies private sector size grew enormously under Reagan, so even though the size of the deficit increased its percentage of GDP grew smaller over time. Such is not the case with our current President’s and Congress’ exploding deficit and debt. Our economy is currently shrinking by about 6% so far this year, while discretionary spending is going through the ceiling.
So, the next time you want to talk military spending and deficits make sure you have your facts straight, you will be more credible.
By the way, you can validly criticize Reagan for some of the weapons systems he purchased. Swing wing aircraft are generaly inferior designs and very expensive compared to the F-16 and the B-52. Bringing battleships out of mothballs was also inefficient. We can come up with others as well. The economic argument is a loser for you.
May 7, 2009 - 4:57 pm 48. sheesh:Lt. Dan Choi . . .West Point grad . . . Arab linguist . . . served in iraq . . . ready to deploy again . . . infantry platoon leader . . . said “I am gay” on TV March 17 . . . kicked out of the military . . . .told that being gay caused control and discipline issues in his squad . . . which was refuted by everyone in his squad.
Who agrees with that?
May 7, 2009 - 6:11 pm 49. sheesh:46 Delia . . . just for the record, I’m not “anonymous”
May 7, 2009 - 6:13 pm 50. sheesh:This is gonna be fun . . . trust me . . . I’m putting “sheesh” on the shelf and coming back with my next ID. Your assignment is to be the first person to identify me. It won’t be easy. I’ll sidle up, quiet like. You’ll think I’m a reasonable sort of fella, a real standup gal – not too smart, dangerous or irrelevant – just enough to get attention and then WHAM! Out come the hooks. You see this fist? I call that thunder. You see this other fist? I call that lightning. Between them there’s a helluva storm. Beware. Be ready. Be warned.
May 7, 2009 - 6:19 pm 51. Chuck Pelto:TO: sheesh
RE: It Does….
….not that you care about stuff like winning a war. Let alone morale and/or discipline, unless you’re into bondage and such.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]
P.S. Then again there are issues like HIV/AIDS and blood supply when a unit is cut off from its normal lines of communications and supply.
What’s the point? Well….
….something to do with homosexuals tend to spread HIV/AIDS amongst themselves more than heterosexuals do.
Why is that? Ask me about the Battile study on American Male Sexuality conducted in the late 80s-early 90s.
May 7, 2009 - 6:24 pm 52. fred:Yes, the trick is to be able to grow the economy so as to absorb a higher percentage of the deficit spending. But “zero sum” thinking dominates the Left. Just as the Keynesian Multiplier, which is a failed hypothesis, also has its tentacles into their brains.
It took me awhile to eventually clear the zero-sum thinking out of my brain. I was an economics major in college. When I was in college (1978-82)Keynesian thought dominated and we were mostly skeptical of the Laffer Curve. We thought it was an unserious hypothesis. But, as the eighties wore on revenues increased to the Treasury as the economy grew and inflation came down. Unemployment too was also trending downwards. I broke with Marxist thinking shortly before I entered an MBA program at Boston College after I left the Jesuits.
As facts and reality appeared before me, I changed my thinking. I evolved. A lot of people do that. I most worry about people who never change and never evolve. One can start out as a Leftist, as I did, mainly because it was all I knew when I was young. But I kept my mind open, especially since I was exploring the subtleties in utopian thought in Marxism, challenged to do so by the critiques of utopian thought by Michael Novak and by other conservative thinkers who had their minds in theology. I would challenge fellow conservatives to study some of Leftist thought, simply for the purpose of becoming familiar with how these people process reality. A real university education should expose people to a variety of viewpoints without penalizing the kids if they defend a point of view that may not be popular or approved by Herr Doktor Professor.
Our society, right now, is in a very bad place. More than half of our population has never seriously studied even parts of the history of ideas, and particularly are not knowledgeable about our founding documents and the philosophy undergirding it. So, our political battles devolve into memetic warfare. I would like to see the nation get beyond this dysfunctionality. The mainstream media bears some responsibility for this, as does the education system.
One of the reasons why I don’t get bogged down in some of the debates that happen on our threads with the usual people from the other side is because my mind is trained to try to walk back to a core logic hidden underneath the bluster and tit-for-tat. I like to get back to the first principles, because everything flows from them. But, in order to get to that point one simply has to have a Socratic dialog with that person and the likelihood of that happening is close to zero. I have had discussions in real life with people like this. They desperately cast about for anything to fling back. Typically, they employ the talking points put out by the folks who send them forth. The banality and triviality of this is, quite frankly, boring. I’m not interested in racking up points. I’m only interested in the truth and what is anchored in reality.
And that’s why I don’t believe in the socialist Utopia or in Marx’s boast that socialism would create “the New Moral Man.” I started out believing in it and eventually facts and reality disabused me of that belief. That’s the primary reason why I left the Left. Their project for society is a failure before even starting, because it is premised on a fiction.
May 7, 2009 - 6:30 pm 53. Chuck Pelto:P.P.S. Did you ever hear of something called, “Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell.”
May 7, 2009 - 6:38 pm 54. Delia:52. fred,
You should start your own blog! You have some excellent points and perspectives on life and politics with a very calm and measured ‘voice’. I don’t say it often enough but I really appreciate your level-headed, on-topic posts.
May 7, 2009 - 7:12 pm 55. Samizdat:Fred @ 52,
That is a statement I can identify with. You and I must be about the same age. I was a socialist at 18; by the time I turned 21 I was turning a corner for the same reasons you were, the utopian view was failing to produce results and reality seemed to constantly interfer with Marxism’s successful implementaion. Well said.
I could be dead wrong on this , but I think many of the lefties we encounter are actually nothing more than anarchists at heart. They are really into destruction, not creation. There is also a paralel with scientific chaos theory in the different economic and political constructs that are out there. You and I probably like our Constitution as a whole, while some of our left leaning counterparts simply deep down despise it. That’s why they are constantly attempting to get the judicial branch to do what they can’t get the legislature to accomplish.
And on it goes.
May 7, 2009 - 7:35 pm 56. ray:avoidswork:
You ask “why you aren’t concerned with people like Richard Poplawski,” and you expect thinking people to take you serious? Common sense dictates that people are not so worried because any act committed by Poplawski is but a tiny fraction of actual violent crimes committed in this country. Take a look at the leftist controlled enclaves in America. For some reason it’s common for them to earn the title of most violent in this nation, and it doesn’t take a genius to know what ideology is espoused in such places. When you look at cities like Los Angeles, with annual murders in the hundreds, the average person statistically has nothing to worry about from a Poplawski. Lving day to day in a leftist enclave on the other hand brings with it some real risks. I guess it’s hard for the left to blame their cash cow constituents. The left produces nothing but failure after dismal failure in whatever it is they control, and you have the nerve to bring up Poplawski? If ever there was a disingenuous argument yours is it.
May 7, 2009 - 7:39 pm 57. Delia:51. Chuck Pelto:
“P.S. Then again there are issues like HIV/AIDS and blood supply when a unit is cut off from its normal lines of communications and supply.”
~
I’ll play the Devil’s Advocate on that one, Chuck P.
With regards to the HIV/AIDS issue, ‘closeted’ gays are still there bleeding along side other soldiers except that nobody ‘knows’ they are gay. Is the military any safer with ‘closeted’ gays vs. ‘outed’ gays? Maybe outed gays could be tested for aids/hiv more regularily. Plus, I would hope there is regular aids testing [in this day and age] anyhow for the military but I’m not an expert on that sort of thing.
Well, this was a weird can O’ worms.
May 7, 2009 - 7:44 pm 58. Donna V.:You know fred, one thing I’ve noticed is the trolls never (or rarely – I don’t read blogs every night, so it might have happened and I missed it) address your posts. I can’t recall a time when I seen the juvenile sheesh or the snarky, ill-read, Muppet Master, he of the cookie-cutter mind, answer points you’ve raised.
You know why that is, don’t you? You’re a literate, educated man who used to be a Marxist and woke up. You’re on to their tricks and games, their constant lies and distortions. That must be the most frightening thing in the world for a leftist – a True Believer who no longer believes. What cognitive dissonance that must create in their arid, cliched minds.
I’m assuming you’re familiar with Whittaker Chambers. Recall how much the left hated him, a man who also grew to loathe the God That Failed and wrote one of the greatest, most beautifully written books of the 20th century: “Witness.” In your way, you are carrying on Chambers work. And they ignore you, like Chambers became persona non grata to the left after he “betrayed” the guiltier-than-hell Alger Hiss.
May 7, 2009 - 7:51 pm 59. EdGi:Satire of lefty dumb draws the vicious response seen from Soros prostitutes seen in this thread? Hmm…we’re on to something. The lefties have no sense of humor or sophistication, just hatred. Get them where it hurts, their almost racist sense of supiority. By the way, the oath Jackboot Janet and Heinrich Holder took is to protect the rights of people they disagree with; violating that oath was their first crime.
May 7, 2009 - 8:43 pm 60. Donna V.:Marge above notes Henry was not a GOPer. You’re missing what evil lurks, Marge; when Bobby Kennedy’s Justice Dept (Katzenbach specifically) went after King and the Left with a horrendous dirty tricks campaign, the targets were anti-party liberals. First, they came for the teapartiers, but I did nothing…
I’m putting “sheesh” on the shelf and coming back with my next ID.
Oh, please, teenybopper.
It won’t be easy.
Oh, yes, it will be. Sheesh, you’re a dreary conformist who laughably thinks he’s original. A run-of-the-mill leftist with a head full of conventional wisdom. I live in a very liberal neighborhood. People like you are a dime a dozen.
You are going to be a “Moby” (an entirely unoriginal thought to begin with). You’re going to sound “reasonable?” As if you can. Nah, you’re going to try to sound like a conservative and then WHAM! Oh my, a brave warrior who turns out to be GAY – why that will throw them for a loop! No, actually, it won’t. What a dull, predictable little script you’re writing.
And what a sad person you are. A leftist who can’t leave a conservative site alone and has to invent devious little personas and tricks to gain some imaginary victory. I can’t imagine spending the time on HuffPo playing the silly games you play here, instead of, well, having a life. Do you have friends? Real people in your life? Doesn’t look like it to me. Pitiful.
May 7, 2009 - 10:02 pm 61. Chuck Pelto:TO: Delia
RE: [OT] Testing! Testing!
HIV-positive doesn’t show up for MONTHS, last I heard. Unless you’ve heard differently. In the meantime, you’re contagious and don’t know it. So you’re passsing it around.
So frequency of testing is not a REAL factor here.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 12:11 am 62. HalifaxCB:[Gay is a one-word oxymoron.]
First of – thanks for the kind comments from others; they are much appreciated. This site is pretty unique, and gives me lots to think about. Such as my next point, Chuck Pelto’s comments on gays in the military.
Here in Canada, it’s a pretty accepted fact now, same as gay marriage. The world didn’t fall apart, and generally I have been supportive of both. OTOH, things like HIV/AIDS transmission are generally swept under the carpet. The field transfusions you brought up are one thing to keep in mind, another is that many battlefield injuries are actually caused by fragments of one soldier getting blown into another (particularly teeth, bone, and equipment). It’s not anything one would normally want to think about, but in this case, maybe I should.
May 8, 2009 - 5:39 am 63. Chuck Pelto:TO: Donna V
RE: sheesh
Either that or one of the more unique multiple-personality cases I’ve heard of.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 5:39 am 64. Chuck Pelto:[Insanity doesn't run in his family, it gallops.]
TO: HalifaxCB, et al.
RE: [OT] Indeed
All splattered with the blood of the just recently wounded.
Nothing like a serious ‘distraction’ about possibly being infected with HIV and developing AIDS to help a soldier keep his mind on fighting the war, eh?
There are myriad reasons why homosexuals should NOT be in the military. Nor for women to be in the Main Battle Area (MBA). But this is not the proper venue for such a discussion. It would be too much of a distraction to the thread, at least in my personal opinion.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 6:18 am 65. AThinkingPerson:[In War, as in Law, possession in 9 points out of 10, and the infantry are the bailiff's men.]
In Erasmus’s opinion (Re. #35) we should disregard Bill Ayers and his “terrorist” status since it happened in the 70’s. Anyone else see how liberals now stomach their voting record now? I guess there’s a time limit on morality for them. File it under “prosecutorial misconduct” and don’t revisit it. Move along now you silly law-observant conservatives.
Let Charles Manson out of jail, Erasmus says that there’s a time limit to punish these poor crazies! The infinite wisdom of the liberal loons has spoken!
Do liberals actually have both sides of their brain and if so, why not use them instead of just letting them rattle around in their heads?
May 8, 2009 - 6:20 am 66. marc:Will someone point me to a gun show?
May 8, 2009 - 6:27 am 67. Chuck Pelto:P.S. And then you have the logistical issues of the medical personnel caring for a possibly HIV+ soldier who is wounded.
LOTS of blood and messiness involved. Do you dress them all in Level 3 or 4 MOPP to protect them from possible infection? That’s more equipment to bring to the ‘game’. More of a strain on the already over-strained logistical system.
Furthermore, how ‘professional’ will the medical personnel be if they DON’T get the necessary protective gear?
We saw, in this Swine Flu business in Mexico, reports of how ambulance personnel were unwilling to transport people who were coughing. And THAT’s just for an illness that was only killing 6% of their population in relatively short order. Not a guaranteed kill over a long period of time with lots of expensive drugs to take in the meantime…..
May 8, 2009 - 6:33 am 68. Chuck Pelto:TO: marc
RE: Heh
Firearms are not very useful without ammunition. And when I was at WalMart the other day, their ammunition shelves were bare, save for some .22 cal.
Do you know how to reload? Got the equipment and consumables?
Oh….but wait….
…..if Obama signs that UN treaty about illegal trafficking in weapons and munitions…..
…..if you reload, you are subject to being charged with a felony.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 6:46 am 69. Banned by Huffpo:P.S. I ‘hope’ everyone is enjoying the ‘change’……
The whole point of the “progressives” — and this administration — is to take away individual freedoms. Control is the key. So, if Obama can’t take your guns, he’ll enslave you through crushing taxes and “programs” that prohibit any form of indiviual choice.
May 8, 2009 - 7:01 am 70. sheesh:69 banned by Huffpo . . . point to one Obama quote saying he’s going to repeal the ndn Amendment and take away your guns . . . just one. (Here’s a tip: The quote can’t be from Sean Hannity.)
May 8, 2009 - 7:32 am 71. sheesh:67. Chuck Pelto . . . “P.S. And then you have the logistical issues of the medical personnel caring for a possibly HIV+ soldier who is wounded.”
You’re a walking anachronism. You do know that straight people get HIV/AIDS, right? You know that. I’m sure I read that in a MEDICAL database somewhere. So unless you’re willing to take a don’t ask don’t tell approach to whore mongering in the military, you’ve once again proven the irrelevance of Mensa. Perhaps you should trade in that certificate for something a bit more useful . . . maybe a graduation plaque from the Mr. Goodwrench Auto College.
May 8, 2009 - 7:39 am 72. Chuck Pelto:TO: sheesh
RE: Here…..
….ya go, buckie.
Hope that helps ya…..but….I have SERIOUS doubts….
However, I’m sure it will help more intelligent people understand the nature of the threat.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 7:51 am 73. Chuck Pelto:[When firearms go, all goes. We need them every hour. -- George Washington]
TO: sheesh
RE: Yes…
….indeed I am. And your the ‘model’ of the current form of ‘thinking’ person….unfortunately.
RE: HIV/AIDS Heterosexuals
I know all too well about it. Heterosexual IV druggies killed my Father in 1979 because of it. We didn’t figure it out until 1984 when I noticed the correlation between symptoms and what my Father experienced. So I called the chief of pathology at Walter Reed, where he died. He pulled the file and we went over it. He agreed. It was one of the earliest cases they had seen, but not recognized.
Your point here is….what?
Why don’t you ask Battelle Human Affairs Research Center in Seattle to cough up the data on homosexuals vs. heterosexuals from their study done in the late-80s/early-90s titled The Sexual Behavior of Men In the United States by Billy, Tanfer, Grady and Kelpinger. Published in Family Planning Perspectives in the Winter-Spring of 1992.
They gave ALL KINDS of data on heterosexual behaviors and partners, but for some very odd reason they refused to publish the same level of detail regarding homosexuals. Even when I called them…..
Maybe you’ll have better ‘luck’. But I doubt it.
Getting a ‘clue’ here, sheesh?
Well….it’s not important to me that you do. It’s more important that others who read this do. Don’t you think?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 8:03 am 74. shesh:[Fools never learn.....]
Chuck Pelto . . . my point is obvious . . . risk of HIV/AIDS in the military is not a gay issue. Pointing to a 20-year-old study that says nothing about your claims seems, I don’t know, irrelevant. If you’re not willing to take a life experience and apply it to your political philosophy, then you are truly lost.
May 8, 2009 - 8:26 am 75. Chuck Pelto:TO: sheesh
RE: You DO….
….understand English as anyone who studied it as a tertiary language. Don’t you.
Well…not important to me. As I implied, you make a good ‘foil’ for bouncing information to all the other, more intelligent, readers here.
Thanks,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 8:44 am 76. Chuck Pelto:P.S. Keep up the good work…..
P.P.S. I notice that you have failed to respond to my providing you with evidence you said didn’t exist, via item #72 in this thread.
I’ll take that as acceptance that you were in error about Obama and taking away privately owned weapons.
May 8, 2009 - 9:26 am 77. AThinkingPerson:Anyone else wondering how sheesh knew Goodwrench had an auto college? I surely didn’t. Hmm…..
May 8, 2009 - 9:28 am 78. leonard hrica:i used to bass fish at that property…commonly called izaks…..then ben lomond….thanks to my friend col. farley….louisa county property that is…
May 8, 2009 - 10:16 am 79. Delia:Great [numerous] points, Chuck P. (regarding the military/AIDS/Morale etc.), I knew you wouldn’t disappoint me. As we’ve said before, at least if some posts help to educate the observers/lurkers then replying to certain questions from obnoxious someones is not all for naught.
Have a wonderful Friday, Chuck and everyone!
May 8, 2009 - 11:00 am 80. sheesh:76 Chuck Pelto . . . I accept nothing of the sort. Call me when someone gets a weapon taken away. Until then, wallow in your paranoid right wing hysteria.
77. AThinkingPerson:
Anyone else wondering how sheesh knew Goodwrench had an auto college?
There isn’t one as far as I could find. But obviously that won’t stop you from rendering your half-witted insights irrelevant. Thanks for taking care of that for me. Now how about a baseless implication around McDonald’s Burger School? That way you could evoke mustard-gate.
79. Delia:
Great [numerous] points, Chuck P. (regarding the military/AIDS/Morale etc.
Here’s a thought – why don’t you consider the opinions of the people actually in Lt. Choi’s crew? That will probably offer more clarity and insight than Cynical Pelto can provide. Never mind, I know why – because those facts don’t mesh with your opinion. It’s the way of the Right.
May 8, 2009 - 1:34 pm 81. AThinkingPerson:Re #80: Mustard gate? Oh geez, you libs will find any reason for a conspiracy theory. Yet more attempts to take attention away from our miserable excuse for a President. Can’t say I blame you though. He is quite an embarrassment.
May 8, 2009 - 2:07 pm 82. AThinkingPerson:Anyone else wondering how sheesh knows there’s a “McDonald’s Burger School”? (Re #80)
First it’s the Goodwrench school, now McDonald’s? I’m thinking any assumptions that he’s suffering from one of the high-end Liberal Ivy League college educations are baseless. Maybe too much grease (the edible or inedible type) clouding his judgment.
May 8, 2009 - 2:19 pm 83. Chuck Pelto:TO: sheesh
RE: Heh
Fool!
It’s already happened in New Orleans, in the wake of Katrina.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 3:06 pm 84. Chuck Pelto:P.S. Thanks for putting your foot into it.
TO: All
RE: sheesh
Considering the amount of vitriol that sheesh has been spewing on this particular subject since the Lt. Choi incident arose….
….and, in light of his to Bilgeman as to his being a “perv”…..
….how much does anyone care to bet that sheesh has been projecting at Bilgeman?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 3:19 pm 85. Chuck Pelto:[The Truth will out.....]
TO: All
RE: Yes!
Let’s ask his crew or anyone–who isn’t stupid or suicidal–if they’ll take a blood transfusion from Choi.
Or wouldn’t mind being splattered and punctured by his bloody bones or equipment or sharp pieces of shrapnel that had just gone through his body going into theirs.
Inquiring minds want to know…..
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 8, 2009 - 3:27 pm 86. sheesh:[Never share a foxhole with someone who is HIV+. Unless you are too.]
By all means, ask them. Don’t speak for them. Ask them. As for vitriol, you’re well aware of where that started and who promotes it. Don’t be such an effing punk, Pelto. The only thing I care about is not letting bigoted conservative cretins like you anywhere near the controls again in my lifetime. I think we’re almost there. A few more Katrina references oughta do it.
As to you, athinkingdipshit, the only mustard conspiracy is coming from Fox News. I guess Anna Nicole Smith is too dead to use as a distraction anymore.
May 8, 2009 - 4:17 pm 87. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: [OT] More ‘Indicators’ Anyone?
“The only thing I care about is not letting bigoted conservative cretins like you anywhere near the controls again in my lifetime.” — sheesh
Three guesses as to what sheesh is referring to here. First two don’t count….
Regards,
Chuck(le)
P.S. sheesh….
….it’s not my problem if you’re throwing your life away. I just counsel against it. And you hate me for that?
Typical…..
May 8, 2009 - 5:13 pm 88. Dark Helmet:It’s time to support Montana. We are ready to tell Washington it is not your country, it is ours and you sorry sons of bitches work for us.
FIRE THE WHOLE DAMN BUNCH AND LOCK THEM UP!!!
May 8, 2009 - 7:30 pm 89. sheesh:87. Chuck Pelto: . . . “Three guesses as to what sheesh is referring to here. First two don’t count”
Let me make it easy . . . I’m referring to you.
May 9, 2009 - 8:16 am 90. Chuck Pelto:TO: All
RE: [OT] Typical…
….’progressive’ tactic. Taking thinks out of context.
Lameo.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 9, 2009 - 9:58 am 91. Chuck Pelto:[Liberals aren't. Progressives won't.]
TO: sheesh….the dork
RE: Yeah. Right….
“Let me make it easy . . . I’m referring to you.” — sheesh
….as IF I had the authority to throw YOU in prison. Let alone control this government to declare YOU an ‘extremist’.
Or tell US….
….when and where and in what capacity did YOU serve US in the military?
Regards,
Chuck(le)
May 17, 2009 - 4:16 pm[The Truth will out.....]