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1. Scott:

McCain was the most worthless nominee in the history of the GOP

Dec 17, 2008 - 12:01 am 2. Bob:

I agree. A hero, but a worthless candidate. I only contributed, and voted for him, because of Sarah Palin. In a way, I’m glad he lost, though considering what we are getting, it’s a hard thing to say.

Sarah Palin/2012

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:20 am 3. David Thomson:

I am very glad that John McCain lost the elction—and I was a fervent supporter. I now realize that he is a backstabbing sleaze-ball. McCain is only interested in sucking up to the “elites.” Barack Obama is a dangerous man, but the unprincipled Arizona U.S. senator might do more harm in the long run. If nothing else, McCain would have likely destroyed the Republican Party. This alone is reason enough to push him out the door. McCain is a war hero. This fact is beyond dispute. However, he has become a man without honor who merely sticks his wet finger into the air to see which way the winds of the zeitgeist are blowing.

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:58 am 4. Nan:

No republicans I know were enthusiastic about McCain. It was the addition of “Palin” that sold out the yard signs!

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:06 am 5. christian:

I voted for McCain only because of Sarah Palin. He’s done great service to the country but he should have stayed in the military or become a democrat. I hope he loses his re-election bid in Arizona and thats hard for me to say as a Republican.

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:07 am 6. Kirk:

My wife and I could not stomach putting McCain/Palin stickers on the van. We bought “Sarah Palin for Vice President” stickers from Cafepres. McCain is a weasel who behaved dishonorably in regards to Sarah Palin, and behaves dishonorably regularly. He may have BEEN a hero at one time, but he has devolved into a Washintonian. He is still kicking conservatives, but his strength and relevence are fading quickly. We need to look to the future.

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:13 am 7. Tito:

McCain has always been a vain, self-serving politician more interested in being the toast of the Washington establishment than in standing up for any principles. As such he could never be a “mainstream” Republican. Following his “maverick” instincts, he never failed to kill any momentum that arose during the election cycle. I said during the campaign that the election was between a man who had nothing in his background indicating he would make a good President and one who had much indicating he would be a bad one.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:12 am 8. Emma:

I voted for Sarah too, he was just the dead weight that came along with her. “Stand up and fight!” he says, and then he walks off to hold hands with the other side.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:13 am 9. el gordo:

Can we please acknowledge that the talk radio hosts and conservative activists who warned us about McCain were right? Like them or not, they called it. Why did we nominate McCain? There is no doubt in my mind that Mitt Romney (and a couple of other candidates) would have run a far more impressive campaign, with a coherent and well articulated message. They might have lost anyway but at least they would not have embarrassed us.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:17 am 10. AL:

looser should retire in peace.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:40 am 11. Ben-Peter:

Great read. This is shocking. Really. McCain needs to start defending Sarah Palin. I mean, even her church is a target now. Is it still burning?

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:46 am 12. Gail:

I agree ” a hero but a worthless candidate”.

Republicans need to limit primaries only to registered republicans and also we all need a voting ID. I mean a real
voting ID like in most every civilized countries.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:05 am 13. Bob:

I held my nose and voted for McLame but my bumper sticker said only “Palin for Vice President.” Instead of saying something positive about Sarah when he had the chance, he gave the no-risk politically bland “there are a lot of good governors” response. What a jerk.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:08 am 14. Jarhead91:

Have we learned our lesson? If the Republican Party isn’t going to be this nation’s conservative party, it will fail every time.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:23 am 15. M:

McCain is like France,always more dangerous as an ally than an enemy.

“McCain is a war hero”…He was a war hero 40 yrs ago,the reason the McCainiacs play this up so loudly is that they can’t claim such,or even much,”honor” and “integrity” in his political career.

I like to think his high handed behaviour after “parachuting” himself into the ‘06 amnesty battle was what tipped just enough wavering Senators into voting no,just to give him a slapdown.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:27 am 16. vivo:

I didn’t vote for McCain, but you can’t blame him for losing. It was YOU, the Republicans who nominated, supported and voted for him. Get off your high horses.

AND, you nominated and supported Palin with nary a fight.

You got what you deserved.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:30 am 17. Wire Dog:

I agree 12- Open primaries means the party loses control. Its as if the NAACP is letting the KKK vote on where to hold their Christmas party. Also govt issued photo ID at the polls with law enforcement right there to take away those who try to steal the election. Regardless of party.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:45 am 18. misanthropicus:

I was a McCain suppoter all the way, and I wasn’t very happy with Limbaugh, Coulter and Ingraham piling on him.
Yet, by the end of spring I had the growing feeling that I march with Ross Perot.
I am not a Palin fan, yet McCain’s behavior vis-a-vis her was unacceptable; and his latest (RNC/Blago) shows that the man’s triangulation has no other purpose than maintaining him in the limelight where he can hiss unimpeded his non-sequiturs – no better than Obama.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:53 am 19. Perry:

I like watching George Stephanopoulos on Sunday mornings. I particularly like the round table with the brilliant George Will.
When I saw McCain (who I supported and voted for after Rudy Giuliani tanked) was on the show this week, I switched to Meet The Press, now featuring the “non-partisan” David Gregory.

Can’t win…

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:00 am 20. TomJW:

15. vivo:
Dec 17, 2008 – 4:30 am

??? I didn’t vote for McCain either, but I can still make coherant statements.

McCain has no honor, no party, and had no sense of what to do in the presidential campaign. No wonder the lame stream media is loving him again.

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:02 am 21. AUSTIN:

How can Republicans change the way primaries are done so that we don’t elect people like Dole, Bush, and McCain for the nomination? Especially McCain. I think he was way too old too run, and he is probably going senile–shown by such his pandering remarks we are all talking about. Some one should write a column and explain how we can mobilize to change the way the Republican party does this.

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:04 am 22. Pointy Head:

As I have always said, the VC beat him senseless, and he stayed that way.

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:13 am 23. chuck,:

The system is so rotted and perverse that we were forced to vote for the man who wanted to shove “immigration reform” down the nation’s throat because the alternative was even worse. Let hit the delete button on the old turd and get to work.

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:15 am 24. stu.b.con:

I voted AGAINST the messiah for obvious reasons. McCain may be a hero, but now he is nothing more than a preening, belt way pol. Can he ever, once stand up for the party that has supported him over the years.
I wish I lived in Arizona and had the opportunity to campaign against this dope next time around

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:38 am 25. cedarhill:

Time to go visit Arizona ala ACORN and give McCain the final boot a moderate deserves back to his rich wife so they tour the world along with Jimmy.

My guess is he used his interview with Letterman to test the media waters in preparation for his anticipated launched of his 2012 Presidential campaign. Once a media whore, always one. The sad part is that McCain has already jumped into bed with Obama and will make the Senate Minority filibuster the ghost of Conservatives Past. That’s what you get when you’re a Scope Jackson or JFK Democrat running as a Republican.

How about running Bloomberg as the 2012 Presidential nominee?

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:42 am 26. Terry Gain:

John McCain

“We shouldn’t jump to conclusions about Obama. We shouldn’t draw adverse inferences based on scant evidence. Those practices should be limited to George Bush”.

Dec 17, 2008 - 5:52 am 27. Bilgeman:

McCain’s conduct post-election towards his running mate just goes to show that you do not have to be a woman to be a bitch.

Senator, the problem with your campaign wasn’t your VP pick, it was your voting record.

You were not, and are not, “owed” the White House, no matter what sacrifices you made in Viet Nam.

Bob Dole sacrificed as much, if not more than you did, and never gave the impression that he felt in any way entitled to the Presidency.

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:11 am 28. davidtesterman:

I have been a republican my whole life and this last election was a embarasement for the republican party.Instead of talking about how we are going to fix our country, we wasted millions of dollars on negative tv ads and look what that got us. It’s time to boot to these out touch congressman and get some new blood. Its time for congressional term limits. I love Sara Palin and what she brought to the campaign it was a good decision except McCain dropped the ball.If the republicans are smart they will groom her for the next election to take this country in positive direction and stop all this negative politics

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:19 am 29. jack:

Thank you Ms Meister,

Your points on what we should do are right on track.

I’m a small contributor to the Republican party, ($100 – $250), during most elections. This year I sent a contribution to ‘Vets For Freedom’, because they were running ads McCain wouldn’t touch. Then after he selected Sarha Palin for his running mate I sent his campain a small donation.

I’ll email the Republican party right now, and tell them that, until they close their primary voting to ‘Republicans only’, they’ll not be getting any contributions from me. Please think about doing the same, we need to stop letting the democrats and so called independents from giving us weak presidential candidates!

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:35 am 30. WR Jonas:

The Republican Party is to blame for allowing Beltway liberals to define Conservatism. They infected the electorate with this disease and considered Conservatives as ignorant , Bible thumping clods without a value and driven by a false sense patriotism.
While I plead guilty to all of those things it is those very virtues that brings restraint to clever and cunning liberals.
We need a return to our roots to rebuild a Party of basic values and discard Socialistic government as the cure all for very tiny perceived problem that the news media can distort into a full blown crisis.
The MSM sees nothing good in America and they should be discarded as useless and viewed as enemies of the Republic.

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:36 am 31. ruskinrip:

I voted for Sarah. McCain will never get my support.

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:44 am 32. Jerome:

Well said.

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:50 am 33. Kevin:

I totally agree Pam.

McCain asked us at the GOP convention to “Fight with me, stand up and fight with me!”. The problem was he did not fight with us. The reason he did not was to preserve his “Maverick” brand for his senate job.

McCain never fought for us in a political sense. He never will. Sarah Palin was the real fighter in this campiagn. Got to give her all the credit for that. She is the true GOP brand and everyone on both sides knows it.

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:54 am 34. Dale B.:

I had made the observation early on that McCain ‘08 ==Dole ‘96. He was unelectable in 2000 and unelectable in 2008 because he is no where near conservative. The MSM nominated McVain, not the Republican Party.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:05 am 35. Mapson:

Prior to Gov. Palin entering the race I was torn between holding my nose while voting for McCain and staying home. With the possible exception of Dole’s disastrous presidential run in ‘96, McCain ran the worst campaign in history. The only thing that gave his base any reason to show up at the polls was Gov. Palin.

Face it, McCain is just another typical Washington insider whose only goal is his own power. When will the GOP get its head out of its…uh…the sand and start listening to their constituants screams.

What ever happened to standing up for what is right?

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:06 am 36. Lynn:

Anyone who has watched politics for at least the last ten to fifteen years knows that Senator McCain’s chance to shine in the Presidential light was eight years ago. When the Republicans chose President Bush for their candidate he was madder than a hornet. It could be the same situation with the Democrat machine and Hillary, but luckily for them they learned their lesson and have included her in the administration. For all we know McCain was offered, or maybe I missed his being offered, a post in the Bush Administration. I think he seemed kind of mad through the whole campaign and then resigned to his loss even before the fat lady sang.

Now that the liberal press helped elect Obama, I have notice that they are getting a little uncomfortable and slightly disgruntled with the campaign of change becoming the administration of the same old faces. I am getting a little nervous of what their next move might be, and who they think should be appointed to the empty senate seats.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:07 am 37. Gene Rouse:

I didn’t vote for McCain, I voted against “The One”. Lesser of two evils, or at least I thought so.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:11 am 38. JohnTBissell:

I’m very sorry I sent this jerk contributions, like to think it paid for Sarah’s clothes.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:15 am 39. MarkD:

I’ll take issue with the “you chose” comments. Until we get closed primaries nationwide, lets just agree that the choice was not solely ours.

I voted against him in the primary, for him in the general, and I’d do it again. After all, a vote for any politician is always a vote for the lesser of two bad choices.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:15 am 40. sirpatrick:

McCain is up for re-election in 2010. The best thing all of us can do is support a Republican challenger in the primary. Being from Arizona it would be a great feeling to get McCain out of office and have a new Conservative Republican take his place…

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:16 am 41. Thinking Person:

#15 vivo….No, we didn’t get what we deserved because we’re stuck with Obama.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:16 am 42. Cicero:

Ditto, ditto, ditto, and ditto. With McCain free to suck up to the New York Times again, conservatives are finally free of having to give him their reluctant support. Good riddance.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:22 am 43. David L:

I agree with the author. I would add two items to the list.
5) Set a list of priorities and how they would be achieved. This is what both Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich did.
6) If you are a Republican and you are doing something wrong, resign now. I am tired of seeing you get caught.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:28 am 44. Gayle Miller:

I really had to work my head around supporting John Sydney McCain for President but given the alternative, I suppressed my reservations and went in. Then he nominated the wondrous Sarah Palin and I went ALL IN for him. Surely my perceptions of him as a self-serving ingrate were wrong, else how could he have made such a brilliant choice, right?

Well, I should know by now to trust my instincts and my first instincts were correct. John McCain didn’t have a shot – not because of anything other than the crappy candidate that John McCain showed himself to be. The only reason he came even remotely close is SARAH PALIN, governor of Alaska. He ran a horrible campaign and was too busy trying to still be “liked” by Democrats (Why? The ones you’re courting, Senator McCain, are hardly nice people!) to point out the egregious flaws in their candidate. And of course, because he let Obama sucker him into accepting public financing for his campaign (and not crying foul when his opponent opted to gorge himself on fund raising from dubious sources), he really had no chance from the get go – except in letting himself be authentic for a change and most of all, letting Sarah Palin BE Sarah Palin.

Pam, thanks for pointing out what a fiasco was the candidacy of John McCain.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:29 am 45. Bon:

You all just can’t help yourselves. McCain did not say anything “backstabbing”. He criticized the political strategy of the RNC. Should he simply shut up and let the RNC go down the road of the whining, sniping, hysterical Democrats of the last 8 years? (By the way, interesting that you write and article on the “backstabbing” McCain without even mentioning that Newt Gingrich agrees with McCain. I suppose Newt is a backstabber, too?

Grow up, guys. You cannot throw a tantrum every time McCain says something you disagree with. The guy does not always agree with you. You faux outrage is getting old.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:36 am 46. Mike Hicks:

You nailed it perfectly. Speaking for myself, I have to think there are many, many people out there who feel exactly like we do. We were in a position to really vote against a candidate, and not for one. Sarah Palin was the one real bright spot, and to watch this ungratefull dolt turn on her……it’s hard to bite the bullet.He’s showed his true self and we can get on with things, the man can go hang with whoever he wants.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:45 am 47. John Bibb:

John McCain seems to have forgotten his good military values–you support the person who supports you. Sarah Palin was the ROCKET BOOSTER that got his campaign off the ground and put him close to a victory. If it had not been for his star-crossed campaign (high gas prices, economic woes, failure to engage on energy and illegal alien issues, etc.) he could have won–with her on board. The excellent “air cover” the Left Wing Media (not MSM) flew for the O’Bummer was another tough break.
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The “SarahCuda” looks like the real deal to me–she has real values, and does what is right. An honest person–not another corrupt values / no values politician.
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However, if you think President Bush or John McCain look bad–wait until the “messiah’s” energy policy, foreign policy, economic policy, and amnesty policies kick in–give it 2 years to fester. Jimmy Carter will look like Ronald Reagan in comparison.
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Rocketman

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:46 am 48. SRMalone:

Maybe McCain can finally do what he has always wanted to do and just join the Democrat Party. Most of us conservatives voted for him because of Sarah Palin, not in spite of her. Without her on the ticket, I would not have voted for anyone for President.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:53 am 49. Jarhead91:

Bon, I kind of agree. McCain’s opinions are meaningless to me. As an old, failed RINO, he is as relevant to me as Lincoln Chaffee.

He doesn’t like Palin? Good for her. Hopefully he doesn’t like Jindal either. If he makes another run for the Senate, I hope he loses the primary to a conservative.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:54 am 50. Troll Feeder:

45. Bon

Dude, faux outrage is outrage that one is faking. Our outrage at McCain’s statements and behavior is not faked.

We think he is a d!ck.

I contributed for Palin and against Obama. I voted for Palin and against Obama.

McCain is continuing to demonstrate why this was so, and Ms. Meister has vainly written this article to explain this to people like you.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:57 am 51. Marauder:

Sarah doesn’t need him anyway. She’s infinitely more fabulous.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:58 am 52. probablynot:

McCain declining to support Sarah Palin 4 years before the next freaking election is a betrayal?

Are you serious?

Should he endorse for 2016 and 2020 as well?

The woman might not even run, people. Take a breath and relax. McCain didn’t insult anyone.

Jeez. Here I was thinking that liberals were the sensitive ones.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:05 am 53. Grover:

Bon:
“Grow up, guys. You cannot throw a tantrum every time McCain says something you disagree with. The guy does not always agree with you. You faux outrage is getting old.”

Bon, Would you deny us some optimism re McCain’s “honor” and doing the honorable thing?
Therefore, we have the right and duty to complain every time he disappoints us.

Pessimism is for fools and dems.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:06 am 54. BiasedGirl:

I feel dirty for supporting McCain. But I had two reasons for doing it: Sarah Palin and my fear of an Obama presidency.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:08 am 55. Jim G:

Well everyone is always right after the fact.
That’s why they call them monday quarterbacks.
It’s a shame that when we vote it has to be for the lesser of two evils and boy did we end up with the greater of two evils.To all those who believe in the Bible I would suggest you read up on the “ANTI CHRIST”. I think that he was elected our new president. Almost makes you wish that bill clinton was still entitled to a fourth term. JUST A JOKE we had enough of him.
Perhaps there is a Monica Lewinski in the wings.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:12 am 56. Ron.:

McCain is a democrat,he is in the wrong party.
McCain is a millstone we could do without.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:14 am 57. Bon:

Troll: I call it faux outrage because you all know McCain disagrees with you on all kinds of issues and you still scream your heads off whenever he voices those opinions.

He is who he is. He did not change during the election (if you recall, his positions on gitmo, detainee treatment, climate change, CFR, immigration and stem cells all stayed the same) and he will not change after it. That does not make him a d*ck, it makes him someone who disagrees with you.

Unless everyone who disagrees with the hard right of the Republican party is a d*ck…?

I do not understand the outrage over the Palin thing. It was a stupid question and McCain’s answer wasn’t great, but he was clearly trying to offer a talking point about the party as a whole. To read maliciousness into his answer is a pretty transparent effort by people who want to get outraged by something McCain did to get outraged over something McCain did.

Which brings us full circle, right back to the faux outrage.

(Palin agrees with McCain on immigration, btw. Is she a d*ck?)

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:17 am 58. Tami:

The behavior of McCain and his staff since his loss is disgusting. Like many of you posting here today have expressed, the only reason that I donated, put up a yard sign and bumper sticker and voted for McCain is because of Sarah Palin. I think he knows that and it just chaps his a**!

Palin 2012

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:19 am 59. Old Buick Tanker:

F*ck McCain.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:20 am 60. Stacy:

I did not bother with a yard sign for McCain – until he chose Palin as his running mate. It was her that I voted for.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:20 am 61. heshtesh:

I’m thinking McCain just lacks the inner fortitude to acknoledge the fact that Sarah Palin is a much stronger candidate then he ever could be.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:20 am 62. dianne:

I’m actually glad he lost. He would have been terrible for conservatives. I hope he trails off into oblivion.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:22 am 63. cedarford:

Nan:
No republicans I know were enthusiastic about McCain. It was the addition of “Palin” that sold out the yard signs!

Gayle Miller – Then he nominated the wondrous Sarah Palin and I went ALL IN for him.

Like with Worshippers of the One, I half expected Palin acolytes to drag a member of their family afflicted with cancer to a rally to be cured by “the aura” of the person.

All for a VP McCain had no confidence in, found too ignorant to be trusted in interviews without himself or some handlers there – and was likely to consign to backroom Spiro Agnew status? Kind of like the female Democrats that said they disliked Kerry in 2004, but John Edwards was so dreamy and made their hearts pound so that they Just-Had-To vote for Kerry.

The problem with Nan and all the other worshippers of the Right Wing Goddess Palin have is the Goddess only appeals to a small (25-30%) block of the public. The rest of the American people dislike her immensely, think she is unqualified – and see her as a brainless Right Wing attack dog best suited for memorized talking points and connecting emotionally with ferverent Religious Right types.

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This election was the 1st time I voted for a non-Republican President. This was the 1st time each and every member of my own and my Reagan Democrat family siblings and parents voted for a non-Republican.
The general assessment we had of McCain, as fellow Vets by and large – was that he was incoherent, inarticulate, talked in slogans, was a long-time Republican backstabber, and deep down believed in nothing but John McCain.

Bob Dole at least had class, and was smarter than McCain without any of that self-righteous anger McCain dragged around with him when he wasn’t sucking up and fawning to media mavens.

Had Republicans run Fred Thompson or Romney – Republicans might still have lost, but the whole financial meltdown would not have been pinned on them. We would have seen an intelligent, articulate Leader not using tired, 30-year old slogans but someone who would have given a vigorous case for the Republican ticket.
We saw in that crisis the Real McCain – doing 180s each day on the crisis and unable to intelligently articulate why both Parties were complicit with the capitalist greedmeisters. Same with issue after issue, as the old geezer was reduced at the end to screaming about one of Obama’s neighbors and all but licking the boots of “Joe the Plumber” (who it turns out, saw McCain up close and ended up detesting him)

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:23 am 64. sonoffar:

The point was made by Bilgeman #27, that Dole was as much the war hero as McCain. Has anyone noticed that a true, “hero”, treads very lightly, or not at all, on his heroic past? A true hero allows his present, his here and now, to speak for his courage and character. It is my sincere desire that I never again hear the myth of the hero Senator John McCain. Using my 20/20 hind sight it’s now clear that Sarah Palin is a better, ‘man’, than either of the, ‘men’, who ran for the office of President in 2008.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:24 am 65. solo1:

I voted and contributed to McCain. I think I was taken in by his bio but was never energized by him and was concerned about him in 2000 and 2004. When he brought on Sarah Palin I was stoked. As said earlier in this post SHE made the campaign, she sold out the yard signs. As conservatives we will be much better off not having JMcC as POTUS. Obama is going to reek havoc. They gave us Jimmy Carter we gave them Reagan, they gave us Clinton we gave them Bush, they gave of this idiot Obama they better be very concerned what we give them back.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:28 am 66. Eric:

McCain: A retrospective.
The wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:37 am 67. Steve P.:

You loved him before the election. He was an unpredictible Maverick war hero who was willing to buck his party. He was an outsider who did not cave into party pressures. Thats why you said you loved him, anyway.

Now he’s doing what he’s always done, which is go his own Mavericky way, reach across party lines, etc. and you all lambast him as the “worst candidate ever” because he lost and because he’s GRRRRRRR Being Consilatory to Obama!!!.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:40 am 68. Marcus:

“Why did we nominate McCain? There is no doubt in my mind that Mitt Romney (and a couple of other candidates) would have run a far more impressive campaign, with a coherent and well articulated message.”

I figure Romney will get his chance in 2012.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:46 am 69. Robert Hurley:

That a go Pam – Cutting McCain out of a picture – Wow. What decisive action! I bet he hates to lose your support

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:50 am 70. Tim:

For a man who is suppose to be so honorable, he sure didn’t waist any time putting Sarah under the bus. The RNC needs to get rid of these fence climbing ” I will meet you in the middle” so called Republicans. We need a Conservative Leader to put the party back together, and to get back to the Reagan era of conservative principals. You can’t be a conservative and work with a LIB. Now we have a bunch of Chicago thugs running the country, God help us now….

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:51 am 71. Carol Blanchard:

You are right on the money with this article.It does not matter which party you belong too, McCain treating Sarah Palin in the way he did Sunday, should be a criminal offence. The woman did everything but take a bullet for him. She never waivered in her support of him , and the going was really tough. She was so trashed that most people would have resigned from the pressure. For him to comment that she is not quite good enough for his support in 2012, and that is in essence what he said, is totally unbelieveable. This is crooked Politician who used people like disposable trash bags. I am so soured by what he has done to the Republican Party, that I really haven’t a clue how to proceed forward from here. McCain used Joe the Plummer as well, saying he was for the working man. You see how he is supporting the Auto Industry for a loan. He is just for the super rich, always has been. To support the forgeign Auto makers over the American Auto makers is just his style. And thats the other thing he always falls back to, trust me I am a veteran. Well the retired Veterans with GM pensions just found out this past week who McCain supports, McCain Only. The trust is gone.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:55 am 72. JimP:

“Character is destiny” and McCain, again, has displayed his lack thereof. A more self serving perfidious individual does not dwell in DC than John S. McCain.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:59 am 73. urbanleftbehind:

#57

Your ending comment – I bloody knew it! I guess you can roll that dice when you can rely on ice (as opposed to I.C.E.) as your primary illegal immigration deterrent.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:01 am 74. Tom:

McCain is such an a**.

He was dead in the water during the campaign before the convention, and only after he makes a great pick for VP of Sarah did I send him the $2,300 to him, $2,000 to the RNC, and almost a thousand more for merchandise and TV adds.

He was a big fat NOTHING without Palin. Absolute zero without her.

If it wasn’t for the mortgage/housing bailout scandal, she might have dragged him over the finish line.

Sarah 2012 or Jindal 2012 or how about Palin/Jindal 2012 or Jindal/Palin 2012.

Obama is gonna have a very rough first term with the rescession and the dropping dollar.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:04 am 75. always right:

I am the one who did not think McCain even had a chance to be nominated. To me, he already struck out multiple times.

BUT….

I also think there is a concerted effort by the ‘media’ RIGHT NOW. Re: Colin Powell, McCain interviews, etc. It is to drive the Republican party to ‘war’ amongst ourselves.

Everytime Powell-wing of the RNC mouthed off on the christian fundamentalists and countering fire from the conservatives, there is a vast majority of the dems/libs gleefully patting themselves on the backs.

The standard tactics of dividing your enmey from Sun Tze “The Art of War”.

After saying all that, Sen. McCain, you are still the current RNC standard bearer (until someone esle claims it) and you can STFU now.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:05 am 76. Greg:

Senator, please stop being “bipartison.” Just walk across the aisle, take a seat, and stay there!

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:08 am 77. Jay:

To answer the many questions of bewildered Republicans:

McCain secured the nomination because his Democrat constituency cross-voted in early GOP primaries.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:15 am 78. ketchikan:

Remember how McCain so readily denounced the Swiftboat Vets?

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:16 am 79. Sour ON McCain:

This is one Republican from Arizona who will NEVER vote for McCain again !!!

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:24 am 80. Al:

I’m not politically savvy, but I never could respect a person who would kick their supporters in the teeth even after they work so hard to support him. Like Colin Powell and his elitism, McCain is only interested in McCain and thanks to both of these putzes, we get Obaman and his corrupt cronies. I got one of the KEEP THE CHANGE, PALIN 2012 stickers and will display it proudly.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:29 am 81. Mike:

Solve All of Your Problems. Take some of the power out of DC and the political parties. Work for Constitutional Amendments originating with the States. You did know such exists, didn’t you?

The next amendment should be that only a citizen may contribute to a politician or political campaign, and (hopefully) only to those running within the state in which a citizen is a registered voter.

Think about the consequences. Wow!

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:32 am 82. always right:

BTW, Sen. McCain,

If you MUST reflect on your presidential campaign, why don’t you think about your constant harping on President Bush may have contributed to the ’shoe-throwing’ inicident?

That a foreigner can insult the Office of the US President. And think you will perform better in such circumstance?

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:36 am 83. Alana:

Actually, it turns out McCain still has a lot to learn about “honor.”

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:36 am 84. Burgher:

Here, Here. I agree 100 percent.

Just a premptive strike for the PC crowd:

nig·gling (nglng)
adj.
1. Petty, especially in a nagging or annoying way; trifling: a pointless dispute over niggling details.
2. Overly concerned with details; exacting and fussy.

See Pam didn’t use any part of the ‘N’ word

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:40 am 85. PJay:

Palin was the ONLY reason to vote this election. For McCain to throw her under the bus is unforgivable. When I got my RNC renewal notice, I wrote them a letter explaining that I was sending my $35 dues to the Wasilla Bible Church to help THEM rebuild because they were not a lost cause…

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:48 am 86. Katherine:

I’ve always disliked McCain and now he’s a proven weasle. I supported him only because I had to in order to oppose Obama. Lowlifes like McCain deserved to lose. Retire McCain or just out and out become an independent or democrat. I won’t ever waste another dime on you.

Palin deserves better than the likes of John McCain.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:49 am 87. exDemocrat:

I went to three Sarah Palin gatherings in Virginia. I had never been to a political event in my life up until then.

It was always about Sarah you little toad.

Now you can buddy-up with President Zero and bring in millions of illegals to swamp and destroy the country.

Juan McCain is a true disgrace.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:51 am 88. James Sanders:

Isn’t he the bitter runt? mccain, you can go to hell, you worthless democrat bootlicker.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:51 am 89. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Pam Meister, et al.
RE: The Signs…

….of McCain’s duplicity were easily understood from his actions in the Senate vis-a-vis McCain-Feingold, where he shot a hole in the Bill of Rights large enough to fly his fighter plane through.

You people who refused to recognize that and act upon it within the Republican Party have only yourselves to blame for this fiasco.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[McCain served US better in the Hanoi Hilton than he has in the US Senate. -- CBPelto]

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:52 am 90. Chuck Pelto:

TO: PJay, et al.
RE: Indeed….

Palin was the ONLY reason to vote this election. — PJay

She was the only reason I voted the Republican ticket for the presidency.

I was hoping for her early promotion.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[We need a thorough house-cleaning of the RNC, from national to county levels. -- CBPelto]

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:54 am 91. Marie Claude:

McCain is like France,always more dangerous as an ally than an enemy.
M,

not quite, in the contrary, we dare to tell the things when your blind and deaf, then your best alliees, cause we are still repearing your strategic and diplomatic errors, just open a book of history… we never went at war against the US

and at least we didn’t burnt Whasington :

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/washingtonsack.htm

as far as McCain is concerned on that topic, me thinks, he would have been a good and experienced president, his problem, he was muzzeled by the evangelical association that put the Palin bluff ahead, a big diplomatic catastrophe

Anyway, I remember how the like people incenced him before and now are promptly downing him

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:01 am 92. SpaceCat:

Are you gonna trash Newt for expressing the same sentiments as McCain on Obama/Blago? Face it. The GOP stepped in a big pile of you-know-what with that elementary school stunt.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:03 am 93. Larry Sheldon:

I’ve started a list of names I don’t want to hear from, or about.

Andrew Sullivan has been on it for a long time.
Anybody named “Kennedy”.
Harry Reid
Any California pol.
And now, John McCain.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:05 am 94. Larry Sheldon:

Newt sold us down the river years ago.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:07 am 95. J David:

Self-flagellation now does not absolve any and ALL Republicans who believe themselves to be *conservative* from voting for Juan Amnesty McVain. Every single one of you that did so gave props to the RINOs, and had NO Republicans voted for Juan the RINOs infesting the party and the punditocracy would have been tossed by now. They HAVE NOT been tossed, and are getting even bolder in the media.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:07 am 96. Brian C.:

Sarah Palin is the leader that John McCain will never be and can never be. She has character, charisma, values and ethics. She is a dynamic woman who can excite people as McCain never could.

As time goes on, my respect for Sarah Palin continues to grow as does my contempt for John McCain. Any time she wants to run for President, Sarah has my support as does ANY Republican who wishes to run against McCain in 2010.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:11 am 97. sabbott:

You rubes are the same ones along with Hannity, Laura and the rest that signed up to support this guy because the RNC told you to…and you will do it again! Give me a break! If everyone on the right is such a conservative how did this guy get nominated? Admit it, you just take your marching orders from the bigs!

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:13 am 98. Edit:

New Hampshire should not be the first primary state for Republicans any longer. The first state Republican candidates should compete in should be a big, southern, closed primary state. A state with too many deligates to ignore.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:15 am 99. Kevin:

I voted for McCain, but only because of Palin. The day after she was selected as the VP cand. I sent my first ever contr to the RNC. Looking back, I have formed two distinct conclusions:
1. If the election were held today, I honestly would vote for Obama; I realize that McCain IS a liberal in policy, substance just as much as Obama. I also realize that if McCain would have won, he would most likely run again in 2012 (look at the longevity in his family if you think he wouldn’t). That would mean eight total years without a conservative principled leader (on top of the eight ending of unprincipled leadership)! With Obama, at least we have a small chance of getting a REAL Palinesque conservative (hopefully Palin herself)in office.
2. Until a REAL conservative is on the ballot, I will never support the RNC again.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:16 am 100. ray:

what a bunch of whiny losers. Only accept republicans who think exacatlly like you and you will have a pure but powerless party. Newt Gingrich has said baiscally the same thing as McCain.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:19 am 101. MikeD:

McCain lost. Makes sense–he was a loser. But now it is time to ignore him, consign him to the ash heap of history, and think about a future that does not include him. He wouldn’t have been as bad as Obama is likely to be but he would not have been very good in any event.

Move on as they say.

And ignore the guidance offered by too many of the GOP’s other failed leaders (read losers). In two or four years when respect for the US has continued to diminish (though we will be told how much we are loved now that Bush has gone), when the economy has failed to recover because the US dollar is close to worthless, when trade continues to languish because of administration malfeasance and union pandering, when reality finally hits that democrat/environmental wacko global warming is a bad joke and a hoax that has cost us all dearly, when five or six or more corrupt democrats like Blagejevich surface, after Joe Biden has more time to showcase his idiocy, after “The View” fawns over, and NY swallows, the Caroline Kennedy legacy (I would say she is unqualified and inept but considering present Senate composition who is to say she is unqualified), after taxes climb along with more government spending and waste, and, quite probably, after another terrorist attack the magnitude of which we can only guess kills thousands, why then Obama will very likely possess the profound respect and admiration owed to another Jimmy Carter and we can try again. Should be possible to elect Larry, Curly, or Moe, maybe even a fence post after all of that. Keep in mind that given the build-up and media worship of the last two years that the dems can’t possibly deliver enough. Democrat standing and approval will surely be diminished in a year or two–probably greatly diminished. Conservatives will have another chance-no doubt. Hopefully they and their Republican hangers-on don’t screw it up the next time. (But I’m not taking any bets!)

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:23 am 102. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: sabbot and Projection

Admit it, you just take your marching orders from the bigs! — sabbot

’nuff said.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[A leader in the Democratic Party is a boss, in the Republican Party he is a leader. -- Harry S. Truman]

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:24 am 103. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. I hope the more intelligent amongst US here will recognize that McCain did not ‘lead’ US very well. And we, in our intelligence, did not follow him.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:25 am 104. Tang:

It’s interesting how these ultraloyal loyalist Republicans demand loyalty to this nobody Palin who singlehandedly sank their party’s chances in November and who they’d never heard of before September, but they won’t show the slightest respect for the Republican candidate for President. Sarah Palin is the dead weight in the Republican Party, and so are you.

This article needs a correction in the first sentence. Those weren’t “scurrilous rumors about Sarah Palin” that the McCain camp was spreading. They were facts about her character.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:33 am 105. Ana:

McCain is a shameless idiot who should really finally cross over the aisle and stay as the liberal Democrap that he is. He is disgusting and I only voted for McIdiot because I hate Obummer. Vote him out of office in Arizona 2010!!!!!

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:38 am 106. JM Hanes:

I’m a so-called moderate Republican, and I was holding my nose in the voting booth along with everybody else! McCain didn’t lose because he was a centrist, he lost because he was utterly incoherent about policy on virtually every front.

McCain makes a great whipping boy for conservatives, but he has virtually no identifiable constituency in the GOP, never did, and never will. Conservatives are sounding like the Democrats who tell each other it’s time to “take their country back.” It’s obnoxious and myopic.

And no, Powell is not a moderate Republican either. He’s our other party of one.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:38 am 107. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: We’re Talk’n SERIOUS….

Sarah Palin is the dead weight in the Republican Party, and so are you. — Tang

…desperation with Tang’s comment, here.

This person can see the writing on the wall that Palin is the turning point back to Reagan Republicanism. And they are at least intelligent enough to know the outcome of THAT.

Especially in a woman.

She could well be the Margaret Thatcher of American politics.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[You know you're getting close to the 'target', because they start throwing more flak at you. -- USAF axiom]

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:40 am 108. ClassicCon:

Keep spreading that myth, tang. The fact is that McCain’s numbers were in the tank until he brought on Palin. You are just another immature liar that consume the new voter block.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:45 am 109. Ken Hahn:

I live in California but I am seriously considering moving to Arizona to vote against McCain in the GOP Senate primary and, if necessary, in the general election. He deserves a statue at Annapolis for his military service and a quick retirement for his political career.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:46 am 110. EdViehman:

4 Pasty-faced white guys in a row since Reagan and they picked the one even more liberal on domestic issues than GW and people are surprised that he lost?Duh!If I wanted a Democrat,I would have voted for one.This “post” McCain ran one of the worst campaigns in History.Had Sarah Palin not come in on her white sleigh from Alaska, this post would have lost by eleven points.The only winners were conservatives and all the “Johnny&Janie -go- lightlies” who voted like Dems lost their seats.Na-na-na nah!Na-na-na-nah!Hey!Hey! Goodbye!Welcome back to the era of insignificance.The likes of Snowe,Collins,Lugar,Specter and Craig and a host of East Coast GOPers are now in charge of the Party instead of the firebrands from the era of Newt running the show.We’ll be lucky to maintain what we have with them in charge and doomed to howl in the wilderness until they get flushed.We have to take back Mn, NE,SD,ND,MT,IA,LA,MO,and PA to turn this around.That’s 10 seats and if Palin can get the new guy out, that makes 11.We can build with McConnell,Kyl,Chambliss,and a few more.Anybody gets weak in the knees ala Lindsey Graham,and they’re out.We gotta’ play like Dems i.e. to win.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:49 am 111. Steve P.:

It’s just ridiculous to me that you are all willing to tear McCain to shreds while simultaneously putting the Palin on a pedestal. I think what I love about you guys the most is your unending ability to rewrite history according to your own perverse narratives. You all still somehow seem to cling to a completely false story that Sarah Palin, the conservative champion and magnificent party leader, was this close to winning the election until John McCain ruined it for her by not being conservative enough.

Unfortunately, everyone else knows that John McCain probably could have won the election if he had run a more populist, libertarian campaign and had not nominated a backwards illiterate yokel that drove away moderates and independents in droves.

Keep running Palin, and you’ll keep hitting the same wall. Guarantee it.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:57 am 112. Ron.:

When i look at John’The weasel’McCain i see Alan Colmes.

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:04 am 113. Dee:

Look George Soros rescued Mc Cain when he was broke. Non-Republicans won the primary for him. Conservatives will never forgive him for McCain-Feingold, the Gang of Ten, Amnesty and numerous other slaps in the face.

So, let us forget about him. Conservatives of Arizona, please replace him. Let’s look for new and younger leaders,preferably not baby boomers. And let’s go forward.

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:06 am 114. exDemocrat:

There has got to be an anti-illegal immigration Republican in Arizona available to run against Senator McLame, isn’t there???? C’mon! It’s a border state being pounded by illegals.

(Juan would switch and run as a Dhimmicrat I’m sure).

Muck FcCain!

Let’s roll!

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:08 am 115. exDemocrat:

Are you gonna trash Newt for expressing the same sentiments as McCain on Obama/Blago?

You mean that guy who made a commercial with Nancy Pelosi on global warming?

Another Washington elite who can take a hike (is it a coincidence that both of these guys dumped their wives in a shady fashion?). Character?

Let’s roll.

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:13 am 116. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Steve P
RE: Heh

Keep running Palin, and you’ll keep hitting the same wall. Guarantee it. — Steve P

Care to put a wager on that?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The most simple-minded way of proving a systems effectiveness is the ability to win bets based on it.]

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:14 am 117. boqueronman:

Pardon me for being blunt, but anyone who voted for McCain because of Palin better stay away from used car lots. There were only two major party candidates for the office of the President of the United States. McCain picked Palin solely and only to distract conservatives, just as Obama picked Biden to appear serious about foreign policy. I voted for Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party on election day as a matter of principle. Events since then have only confirmed the rightness of my choice. I will continue to default to the Constitution Party until the Republicans both speak AND act on a reform agenda of simplifying and making transparent the tax system, long term reduction of entitlement commitments, and a thoroughgoing elimination of onerous, growth-retarding government regulations and so-called “support” of the economy under a program of responsible government.

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:15 am 118. The Historian:

MCCAIN’S TARNISHED HONOR
John McCain is a less honorable man for his post election behavior:

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/mccains-tarnished-honor.html

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:25 am 119. Chuck Pelto:

TO: boqueronman
RE: Car Lots

Pardon me for being blunt, but anyone who voted for McCain because of Palin better stay away from used car lots. — boqueronman

Really?

Interesting thought that. I’ve bought some FINE cars on used car lots. That includes a Toyota Celica convertible (’97) that has served us well since 2001.

Then there’s the ‘88 Nissan Stanza, bought in ‘96, that was still ’street legal’ after getting into a snit with an 18-wheeler on I-25 in the Denver metroplex one Winter night.

So maybe you better go peddle your ‘cars’ to other people of an intellectual level with your own.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding. -- Proverbs]

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:28 am 120. Kathy:

Hey, it’s a good thing John is ‘brushing off’ Sarah now, thereby distancing himself. He’s doing her a favor that will work to her advantage. He’ll be his usual crapweasel-self moving forward & she won’t be tied to him while he does it. He looks like a whiner & she’ll do better without the McCain-anchor around her neck.

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:45 am 121. Tom Holsinger:

I have to agree with M’s No. 15:

“McCain is like France, always more dangerous as an ally than an enemy.”

Jim Taranto’s by-ku for McCain at Opinion Journal is also pertinent:

“If a maverick does not follow, neither does he lead.”

Dec 17, 2008 - 11:51 am 122. RoddyB:

McCain needs to switch to (D) maybe then AZ can elect a conservative.

Dec 17, 2008 - 12:54 pm 123. always right:

boqueronman,

Thank you for your principled stand! You got your hopenchange POTUS, enjoy.

Dec 17, 2008 - 12:57 pm 124. Will Sharpe:

Way to rile up the base PJ; if you think Sarah Palin is the answer to the Republicans’ problems you are mistaken. She would be trounced (probably in the primary) in the general election in 2012. “Sarah Palin is the only thing McCain got right” during the election is an insipid comment and many voters were turned away from McCain because of her nomination.

Dec 17, 2008 - 12:58 pm 125. Gary Ogletree:

In the long run it is good that McCain lost. Sarah Palin is the one with the record of accomplishment and the rare ability to inspire, but whoever runs next time will need a team to root out the cesspool of corruption in DC and McCain would have been his usual clueless self–going off in tangents and making nice with the despicable. His served the country well in Vietnam and by supporting the surge, but his other tendencies are a disaster. Let people have a taste of the Chicago Way and the Obama Depression and they will be ready to get behind a clean up crew in 2010 and 2012. We always learn, but usually the hard way.

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:02 pm 126. Will Sharpe:

You all lambast the Dems for drinking Obama’s kool-aid; now that a Republican steps out of line it’s straight to the firing line for him. Such hypocrisy defines our current state of politics, both left and right. A difference of opinion within both parties should foster a healthy dialogue; instead we opt to run from the center towards the extremes (and vise versa at our leisure). Remember, hypocrisy breeds confusion; so I guess McCain pulled a quick-one on you when you cast you ballot for him last month. You didn’t just vote for Palin (even if you say so), you voted for him too. Get duped!

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:04 pm 127. Steve P.:

116. Chuck Pelto: Care to put a wager on that?

Surely. Maybe she’ll get re-elected governor. Maybe she’ll even be a senator. Most likely she’ll become another shill for Fox News or become the star of a mindless reality tv show so that the mindless folks who idolize her can get their last round of “you betcha” fixes before she fades away into obscurity.

Margaret Thatcher my rear. What a laughable comparison.

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:32 pm 128. Marie Claude:

Tom Holsinger

with such alliees, nothing bad can happen

http://img168.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bushkissus0.jpg

BTW the Frenchs didn’t make 9/11

Dec 17, 2008 - 1:49 pm 129. Jimbo:

John McCain is the most disloyal POS in the Senate, especially toward conservatives. He has consistently demonstrated this trait over his many years in the Senate.

My first direct experience was years ago when he was paid to be the featured speak at an annual conference of a socially conservative political group in Portland Oregon.

Without telling anyone he met with the Oregonian editorial staff before the conference where he gave them a heads up on his intention to repudiate and blast the group from the podium….the very organization that paid to fly him out and speak. The man is absolutely full of his own self importance.

Of course the Oregonian and other local media for the first time covered the conference and made hay with his little diatribe.

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:08 pm 130. The Wizard:

I held my nose and voted for the SOB; anyone would be better than the Obamanation. John McCain was possibly the worst GOP candidate ever; had there been a strong one, the election would have had a totally different outcome.

I am very disappointed at his lack of honor and decency as it relates to Sarah Palin; he brought her into the foray and now has dropped her like yesterday’s news. Shame on McCain. He dishonors himself and the Republican party.

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:14 pm 131. Войска ПВО:

First things first: while McCain and Powell and the rest of the mealy-mouthed politicians (democrat and Republican) who have helped make the steaming load we all know as the Federal Government (or just government in general) a reality need to get hosed out of the stables. But let’s rebuild the RNP and RNC from the ground up. After four years of posturing, HopenChange, and Chicago machine politics, the voting public will be (more) sick than ever of the shenanigans.

While I would excommunicate McCain and Powell, I’d sure as hell see to it that the senile, ossified RNC gets some house-cleaning and comes up with some leadership that recognize we have a serious fight on our hands. Some say Michael Steele, some say Gingrich (on the basis of what he did in ‘94?), but there sure as heck has to be some more dynamic, forward-looking people in the rank and file other than the sclerotic droolers we got going for us now.

..oh, yeah, and fercrissake’s get folks in their that know how to build a 21st century organization that can handle the new internet and mass-media opportunities. We got it handed to us this year (remember all of the legions of mindless trolls on our blogs?) because we sat on our fat, zit-covered posteriors congratulating ourselves for dumping the effete snob and his ketchup-shilling wife back in ‘84.

Reagan was able to talk directly to THE people despite the incredible stranglehold the MSM had on the national consciousness. Now we have a third-estate, fifth column, whatever, who sold their integretiy the river and mortgaged their reputation to get this fool elected; their audience is evaoprating. We should be able to do this with a clear, coherent message to the common man (and woman).

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:20 pm 132. Sgt Relic:

Back in February I wrote “McCain Says Get in Line” on own blog. I said he couldn’t win because of his RINO record and particularly because of Amnesty, Global Warming, McCain/Feingold, Gang of 14, ad nauseum.

I said I wouldn’t vote for him then, and didn’t hold my nose when he named Palin since it was a transparent move to garner conservatives. I took more hits from “noseholding” republicans than I did from liberal trolls.

We did learn that Palin is pro-amnesty, but not even Malkin would address the issue.

Bottom line: I am never surprised when McCain acts like the liberal he is. I am surprised that Newt has decided to drink the same kool-aid and sing the “don’t talk bad about Obama song”. Of course, what would you expect after seeing Gingrich play slap n’ tickle with San Fran Nan on the couch on the beach. Green Conservatism my Aunt Minnie!

If the moderates are allowed to run the party much longer, I predict there won’t 15 republicans left in congress by 2012.

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:40 pm 133. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Steve P
RE: Like You Said….

Margaret Thatcher my rear. What a laughable comparison. — Steve P

I’m willing to bet your fourth-point-of-contact on that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Better find the better forms of Denim jeans….

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:43 pm 134. Tex Taylor:

John McCain, though a real war hero in contrast to John Kerry, shares at least one trait with the feckless Senator from Massachusetts. This trait makes him unworthy for any high office.

He’s stupid.

Dec 17, 2008 - 2:57 pm 135. zappo:

MacCain was pushed upon the R’s by crossover voting and strategizing between Mac & Gov. Huckster in the early primaries.
The crossover voting was a plan the left executed perfectly (they even CRIED later when there was some crossover voting going on in their cluster F**K of a primary, imagine that)
They got the candidate they wanted to face.

McCain is NO conservative, I have never voted for him period.

He & Colin Powell should just go ahead and make it official they are both Dems.

Seriously McCain is over, he will be forgotten by 2012, I don’t even see why anyone interviews him.
The conservatives will be looking to people like Gov. Jindal of La. & Gov. Palin to lead a true conservative effort.

For Mac to sit silent while his own attack Gov. Palin who by the way was the only bright spot in his feeble campaign was disgraceful. The Mac is H-I-S-T-O-R-Y.

Jindal/Palin 2012

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:22 pm 136. Jim Baker:

Only Bob Dole has run a worse campaign. Both he and McCain were middling fence sitters. Do we have a trend here? If you can’t draw a clear contrast between your positions and those of a socialist, how can you expect to beat even a socialist? If I were Palin, I would wear McCain’s refusal to stand up for me as a badge of honor.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:24 pm 137. josil:

As it turned out, McCain morphed into…McCain. Surprise! Like so many other Republicans, I voted for the ticket because of Palin. But mr prference was for The ex-Mayor of NY or the ex-governor of Mass. Maybe next time. But the GOP has no future as a liberal party. We already have one and when voters are looking for an alternative, it won’t be “moderate” Republicans. Btw, did McCain select Palin for veep just to satisfy the conservative wing of the party? or to appeal to feminists? Both? Neither?

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:25 pm 138. Linda:

I, too, voted for Sarah. McCain was an afterthought.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:38 pm 139. Kathryn (Reagan Conservative Petition):

No more RINOs. They sabotage Conservatism from the inside:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/we-demand-true-conservative-leadership.html

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:46 pm 140. Therese:

Great article! I agree with you 100%.

Dec 17, 2008 - 3:55 pm 141. Darvin Dowdy:

55 million voted against Obama. Not for McCain. This is an opportunity for Palin to put distance between herself and the McCain wing of the GOP (the Transnational Progressives). BUT SHE’S “NOT” DOING IT! Instead she’s doing worthless interviews like this: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20081208/obama_palin_081208/20081209?hub=CanadaAM
Spewing a bunch of typical, dull, off the mark, GOP talking points. Poor Sarah. Whoever her advisers are – well they absolutely s_ck. She’s not going to make any sort of impact at the rate she’s going. She needs some help. She’s floundering. Darvin Dowdy

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:17 pm 142. A.M. Mallett:

I voted for McCain and if I had to do it again, I would vote the same way. Having said that, the “my frienchs, lets be nice” candidate is an incompetent Republican. Now he is certainly a competent Democrat but his trash stinks and needs to be taken out with the rest of the garbage that highjacked the nominating process. I think having a party requirement would be just fine with me. I am registered unaffiliated in North Carolina but would change my registration in a heartbeat if the party took itself serious in turning back toward it’s conservative base.
The next test is in two years.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:35 pm 143. exDemocrat:

Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party

I’d be embarrassed to admit I voted for that mustache’d freak.

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:42 pm 144. Howard Hirsch:

I am (at least for the next two weeks until my term expires), GOP county chairman in a very red county which McCain won in an underperforming result.

Priority one and way ahead of everything else for 2012 is fixing the presidential nomination process to permit (as you called for) only Republicans to participate. While this is the case in closed primary states (including Nevada), many in the midwest and south have open primaries with no party registration, and Republican parties in some closed party states permit independents to participate, and the latter should not be permitted.

I don’t have a problem with open primaries, but many states that have them hold a presidential primary/caucus early in the season and then a separate primary in September to nominate candidates for Congress, state legislatures, and local offices. The GOP should insist that open primary states hold both on the same day, so that no one can be a Republican in the spring for “raiding” purposes, and then a Democrat in the fall when it really counts.

It goes without saying that blanket primaries should be banned, and courts have upheld the right of parties (in Washington and California, for example) to keep out those who would do them harm.

Howard Hirsch
Chairman, Lyon County Republican Central Committee
Dayton, Nevada

Dec 17, 2008 - 4:59 pm 145. Herb:

It’s obvious that John McCain’s biggest mistake was trying to pander to the right-wing nutjobs like the commenters on this site.

Examples:
“No more RINOs. They sabotage Conservatism from the inside.”

Sorry, but that kind of purity test is only going to shrink the Republican party. If John McCain, a lifelong Republican and genuine conservative, can’t pass the purity test, then we don’t need it.

No doubt some genius (I’m talking to you, Chuck Pelto) will say that I’m not conservative enough to be in the Republican party. Hey, that’s cool.

I’ll go be a Democrat and work to make THEM more conservative. Meanwhile, all the extremists prancing around saying they’re the “real Americans” can have the Republican party to themselves. It won’t matter anyway.

By then, the GOP will be irrelevant.

Dec 17, 2008 - 6:54 pm 146. aramkr:

I hope someone challenges McCain for the Senate nomination next time around. Just tell me who it is and where to send the money.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:00 pm 147. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Howard Hirsch
RE: Actually…

Priority one and way ahead of everything else for 2012 is fixing the presidential nomination process to permit (as you called for) only Republicans to participate. — Howard Hirsch

…it’s going to take more that merely THAT.

In Colorado the state-level organization refused to allow the straw-ballot items from MY county to be tabulated.

Thank Mr.Wadams for THAT.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. We’re talking serious rebellion in the ranks here…..

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:05 pm 148. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Herb
RE: Whatever

No doubt some genius (I’m talking to you, Chuck Pelto) will say that I’m not conservative enough to be in the Republican party. Hey, that’s cool. — Herb

You’re welcome to your opinion.

However, how does that allow the state-level apparatchik to disallow the balloting form a particular county of his own party?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out....]

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:14 pm 149. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. Jealousy does not look good on you….

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:19 pm 150. sydney jane:

I never felt that McCain’s heart was in it, anyway, or at least after Obama won the Democratic nomination. Like most everyone else, he was probably expecting earlier on to be running against Hillary Clinton. Once Obama won, I think that changed things. If McCain hadn’t won the Republican nomination, I think he would have been one of those Republicans crossing over to support Obama.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:20 pm 151. narciso:

She was talking about the AGIA pipeline, trade issues with Canada; which Obama tore up in an effort to win the primaries, real issues if you’re dealing with a Canadian audience, they
asked about her future plans, and she was non-committal; who could blame after all the garbage
that’s been spread about her or her family. She’s dealing with the precipitous oil price, by cutting spending, not raising taxes.

I’d dare say, the largest part of that fifty five million voted for her, and not just against Obama, for positions on oil, taxes, guns, national defense, life issues, how she lived those values, instead of just spouting them, and how she responded with grace and humor to all the lies, and omissions; directed at her. Those four million who took the easy
way out and voted for Barr or Baldwin, really why should we pay attention to what you say anymore.

I frankly was disgusted by the course of this pathetic campaign, but I was driven to at least respond when some of the stupider rumors about the ‘Africa is a country” and the NAFTA country
questions. In retrospect, VP was two narrow and stultifying a job for her. McCain at the end was probably bitter at the support she received over him, and seems to have acted accordingly. Powell what can be said of a pal of Prince Bandar who sabotaged his president through the omissions of his trusted aide Armitage, who endorsed Stevens; that worked out well, and by
proxy the Chicago machine. No questions about that, just more innuendo about wardrobe, that
isn’t identifiable, more slams like that carried
out by Nancy Gibbs in Time Magazine. sympathy with the her Church’s arsonist from the likes of David Letterman.

Only idiots could really think that Biden would have any new insight to give after having been wrong for thirty five years. From the original Alaska pipelines (against) to FISA (that worked out well)voted against policies in Central America, proposing partition in Iraq, opposing the surge,President elect Obama certainly seems to agree since he seems to have exiled Biden to the closet at the EOB. So those are points in his favor, along with picking Hillary and a few other nominees lik Gates. Than he had to spoil it with Holder at Justice, Salazar who opposes
Shale at Interior, another porkbarrel ethanol fan at Agriculture.

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:24 pm 152. drbob:

We can thank Huckabee for screwing Mitt out of the nomination. It would have been a different end to this story. McCain/Obama 2012 (LOL)

Dec 17, 2008 - 7:40 pm 153. Blue Collar Todd:

Yeah, McCain is the reason McCain lost the election. I too thought Palin was the real reason this election was even close, plus that those who saw President-elect Obama for what he was did not want to roll over and let Marxist in the White House.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:04 pm 154. Herb:

To Chuck Pelto
RE: Relevance

“However, how does that allow the state-level apparatchik to disallow the balloting form a particular county of his own party?”

I have no idea what you’re talking about. Is this another of your conspiracy theories?

Dick Wadhams, Colorado Republican Chairman and protege of Karl Rove (in other words, obviously a RINO), disallowed the straw poll ballots for which county??? I’d take your word for it…but as you once famously pointed out, people lie. (Especially government officials.)

More information please.

PS. Jealous? Of you? Sorry, Chuck, what you mistake for jealousy is actually mild amusement. I mean, I never thought it would be so easy to out think a bonafide genius like you.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:14 pm 155. kabud:

Sarah Palin only can benefit from McCain negativity towards her

It is time for her to break up with the loser

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:15 pm 156. Sandra in Arizona:

Once McCain became the candidate, I had to adjust my allegiance (it first belonged to Romney), even though I disagreed with McCain on so many things. I kept remembering his courage as a POW and thought that would be a big plus as the GOP nominee and then as President. I tried my best to overlook the stupid blunders and decisions he made, thinking I had no choice but to support him because of the alternative. I then hoped he would chose Romney as VP because of his knowledge and deep understanding of the economy. I thought McCain’s experience in the military and Romney’s experience with the economy would be a great combination. I was disappointed when he didn’t chose Romney, but I soon became fond of Sarah Palin and enjoyed watching her campaign and the spirit she brought. It became apparent to me that even she could not save McCain from himself and his desire to please the Independents and even the liberals. But he still continues to self destruct. There are two fiascos since the elections are behind us. The first is not giving Sarah Palin the support she deserves. And the second is giving his endorsement and support to someone who does not deserve his support–the foolish appointment of Governor Janet Napalitano for homeland security. She didn’t even support her fellow Arizonian (McCain) for president; it was Obama. This is one Arizona citizen that no longer feels compelled to vote for McCain, and he will not get my vote in 2010 when he runs again for the Senate. I am through with his shenanigans and feel liberated because I no longer have to feel obligated to vote for him because I don’t want the alternative.

Dec 17, 2008 - 8:17 pm 157. Karen:

I voted Sarah Palin and that other guy.

We need to fix the primaries to get RINOS off the ticket.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:00 pm 158. misanthropicus:

After giving a second thought to Pam’s review of MCcain’s proclivities, I suddenly found a funny part to this misery – will McCain really try another shot at presidency? He might – but the answer will be furious.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:35 pm 159. misanthropicus:

RE #43/ David L: [...] I would add two items to the list.
5) Set a list of priorities and how they would be achieved. This is what both Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich did.[...]”

You’re perfectly right – both parties are lost in fuzziness and promises of Trackmesan and Slackmesan quality.
Clarity and respecting the schedule. The Reps should take advantage about the incoming failures of the Obama administration (no matter how much the One has backpedaled and the media will lower the standards, there will be nothing there to show as a bettering the present situation), and come with a list of precise situations they want to solve – and do it, an leave the “hope we can believe in” for Hamptons and Bel Air.
An administration’s business is administration – who needs hope, can find plenty of it for $10 at Western @ 237th.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:48 pm 160. misanthropicus:

RE #67/ Steve P.: [...] Being Consilatory to Obama!!!. What a bunch of hypocrites. [...]

Steve P: “Consilatory” – I am not surprised for your being an Obamadolt.

Dec 17, 2008 - 9:52 pm 161. Darvin Dowdy:

NARCISCO: My constructive criticism of Sarah is just that. I agree that she’s the best hope of the GOP. “But” she has to understand that the Base is in no mood for pathetic, disgusting GOP talking points! And she should also know that she may have been giving the interview to Canadians but that it would be widely reported throughout the US. Everything that she says almost is widely reported! The GOP Base is looking at her through a magnifier. She needs to understand that and think before she speaks. There’s still ample time for Sarah but she’d best start looking around for some saavy advisers, strategists, consultants. She’s enlightened but remains uninformed on way too many Mom/Pop/Middle America type issues. DD

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:01 pm 162. Pat:

Good article.

But Palin, despite all of her fine appeal to American producers, is still too religious to get elected.

Only a consistently pro-individual rights conservative can win. And only secular candidates, not religious ones, are consistently pro-individual rights.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:33 pm 163. Someone75:

I can’t believe so many people like Sarah Palin. She just so remarkably uninformed. You guys saw her interviews. I mean, if that’s what you want in a president, then I don’t know what to say. Although, you loved Bush and he was remarkable uninformed also. Bottom line: Palin makes George W. Bush look like a political genius.

Maybe the GOP just likes stupid candidates. It all makes sense. Everyone loved Regan and the majority of his mental faculties were gone long before he left office. Many people on this forum have taken the opportunity to call me an idiot, so maybe *I* should be your candidate in 2012.

Dec 17, 2008 - 10:40 pm 164. cedarford:

157. Karen:
I voted Sarah Palin and that other guy.
We need to fix the primaries to get RINOS off the ticket.

That’s really easy to do, Karem.
Just limit holding Republican primaries to Alaska and the 6 remaining states of the Bible Belt not lost to Republicans or trending “modern”. Become the Party of Purity and Good Ol’ ideas of two generations ago.

No worries about RINOs, Catholic fools, or Mormon heretics in the other 43 States that way. Just 7 States, with a quick Primary season to affirm the greatest candidate ever, Your Sarah, who may not know a lot – but is right in her heart..

And the same goes for Congressional elections, where remaining RINOs need to be purged and add another 7 SEnate seats and 25 more House seats to the Democrat side to get to dreamy, pure, Christian Conservative Republicanism.

Dec 18, 2008 - 1:10 am 165. Barry:

>I can’t believe so many people like Sarah Palin. She just so remarkably uninformed

Not like Obama, that mental giant, right?

Prepare to be disappointed in your next President. I guarantee you- the first thing he thought after he won on election night was, ‘NOW what?’

Dec 18, 2008 - 3:00 am 166. vivo:

If you all read the “How he made it” edition of Newsweek a few weeks ago, you will know why McCain was not fit to be President. Or Palin.

Thank god!

Dec 18, 2008 - 4:24 am 167. Photo9710:

vivo, did you meant this http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582 ???

Dec 18, 2008 - 5:29 am 168. aloysiusmiller:

Newsweek has reliable news? Who knew?

Dec 18, 2008 - 5:58 am 169. Pat:

I find it interesting that it’s McCain who is called a backstabber, and not the people who say things like this:

“A hero, but a worthless candidate. I only contributed, and voted for him, because of Sarah Palin.”

“I am very glad that John McCain lost the elction—and I was a fervent supporter.”

Dec 18, 2008 - 6:03 am 170. Troll Feeder:

57 Bon

No, it makes her wrong; it says nothing about her character.

McCain, however, was always a d!ck. His support for many anti-conservative positions has made him wrong. I yelled at him when he took those positions in the past, and I will continue to do so in the future.

But it is his holier-than-thou, backstabbing, jack*ss attitude and his complete disregard for the base of the party he claims to belong that made him and continues to make him a d!ck.

His refusal to EVER take a stand for the woman who stood up for him is just part of the package.

He is severely lacking in character. I was disappoionted when he got the nomination, pleasantly surprised when he nominated Governor Palin to be his VP, and disappointed again when Obama won the election.

I never thought that McCain would make a good President, just that he would be better than the alternative, because he is wrong on the issues, and because he is a d!ck.

Dec 18, 2008 - 6:45 am 171. Oldguy:

To understand J.McCain, one needs to realize that he is an ex prisoner-of-war who suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

Dec 18, 2008 - 7:05 am 172. Photo9710:

168. aloysiusmiller:

Newsweek has reliable news? Who knew?

———————————-

Hummm, maybe you are right. I am trying to pay attention to politics more from now and on and would like to find reliable news/ information to know what go on than being “Pin-Head” about politics.

Dec 18, 2008 - 8:10 am 173. deguello:

This disastrous cretin learned one thing in his vietnam jail cell: How to enjoy getting his butt kicked. He loves it so much that he wants all republicans to learn to love getting beat. No wonder liberals love this fool!

Dec 18, 2008 - 9:02 am 174. Herr Steifenhoch:

John McCain as a military man is a war hero. John McCain as a Republican Senator and Presidential candidate is a disgrace, traitor, and outright embarrassment. He should switch sides now before he is booted out of office next election.

Dec 18, 2008 - 9:15 am 175. kabud:

Since enemy agents spread idiotic disinformation on Sarah it needs to be said

Sarah is one of the best informed if not The Best informed politician in USA

She is not a part in any way of any intriguing(yeah i mean what you think), corruption(of course i mean it, what you though) or group think

I was following extremely closely every word of hers and challenge anyone to name something that she doesn’t have the most profound views at

By the way our enemy puts out the interview she gave to one of the most notoriously dishonest TV channels as an example of her not being well informed.

If any one bothers to read a transcript of it you will realize that Sarah’s knowledge of politics is far deeper then of the most of American politicians including from right wing

I bet any sum of money that even here on Pajamas forum most of you have no idea of the plans kremlin has for Alaska

Most of you have no idea how dangerous were CLINTON’ military cuts in regard to early warning systems watching the `other` side there .

Well, but Sarah knows. Her children live on the territory that enemy wants to return by force back to Russia.

They even passed laws to that matter.

Our nation faces a grave danger especially now when social unrest is brewing in Russia and gangsters in kremlin will need an `outside threat` to rally people in their support.

Russian economy as it was recently reported is falling down at the pace as it was in 1941-1942 under German invasion

Think about it

They are only good in

1.violence, including wars
2.selling out their mineral resources : oil and natural gas for the most part

Now their oil is not in demand

So figure it out for yourself what those gangsters that passed laws to return Alaska can do.

And consider Sarah’ knowledge value for that matter

Dec 18, 2008 - 9:18 am 176. Follow Me!:

The GOP needs to support candidates that stick to its core domestic issues–less spending, lowered taxes, and less government interference in people’s lives. Those are good positions even if reporters at the AP and NEwsweek can’t understand them.

It cannot be for “less” government interference while simultaneously favoring the pet projects of its clerical wing.

It cannot be for honesty while supporting Denny Hasterts and Duke Cinninghams. It has to expel those people before the feds find them.

People with some imagination who are “FOR” something (and there is plenty to be for) can succeed in restoring the GOP: there are people in prisons for one drug offense that occurred more than 10 years ago: they ought to all be evaluated and the non-violent ones cut loose with a promise of an expungement of their record if they behave.

Colleges costs that have skyrocketed past the rate of inflation by a factor of three ened to be pruned back by new Regents and oversight committees that cut silly courses and psuedo “departments” of various “studies.”

Public pensions need to be pruned back and fast and the retirement age of 55 brought up to 65 except for cops that actually took a bullet or somehting comparable.

And for the Palin supporters ehre, lets get serious: nice, pleasant, probably honest, yes all of those. But experienced? Savvy? tempered by experience? Oh come one.

Sarah Palin neither was nor is a serious “A” level player in national politics. She may reinvent herself, but the GOP has yet to find candidates that reflect its implied promise: experience, judgment, integrity.

It needs to get busy and find such people.

Dec 18, 2008 - 10:13 am 177. James V. Yardley III:

What is really needed is the recognition that the Republican brand is now just a centrist version of the Democratic party. Conservatives and right-tilting moderates need to create a third party, as rapidly as possible.

I don’t see any alternative to a strong, conservative third party that believes in smaller government, less legislated interference in our society, less social engineering by the intelligentsia, lower taxes and the end of “bailouts” for anyone.

Why a third party and not a re-shaping of the Republicans? Because we need to reshape the national political landscape so that there will no longer be the possibility of a single party in the majority in Congress. When either the Republicans or Democrats have had a clear majority, bipartisan legislation was only a pipe dream. Likewise the concept of compromise was no more than wishful thinking. With three political parties sharing the 535 seats in the House and Senate, and insuring that no single party is dominant, without bipartisanship and compromise, nothing will be forced through Congress. That alone makes the idea attractive!

Dec 18, 2008 - 10:49 am 178. kevin c:

IM SERIOUSLY WONDERING IF JOHN MCSHAME WAS BRAINWASHED DURING HIS TIME AS A POW. THIS MAN SERIOUSLY SEEMS TO SUFFER FROM SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS. LIKE HOW SARAH PALIN WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO HIM. AND HOW HIS STUPID DECISION TO SUSPEND HIS CAMPAIGN AND GO VOTE FOR THE PORK FILLED BAILOUT LOST ALL THE GOODWILL PALIN HAD BUILT UP FOR HIM. MCSHAME, YOU SHOULDT EVEN GRACE THE SAME AREA CODE AS PALIN, SHE HAS FAR TOO MUCH CLASS FOR YOU. I FEEL SORRY FOR CINDY, THE ONE MCCAIN WHO DOES HAVE CLASS AND GRACE. TOO BAD SHE HASNT PASSED THAT LESSON ON TO THE LOSER MCSHAME.AS GEN MCARTHUR SAID MCSHAME, OLD SOLDIERS JUST FADE AWAY. PLEASE DO US A FAVOR AND FADE AWAY. YOU CAN FADE WITH YOUR SOROS PAL POWELL. FOLKS LIKE YOU DO A DISSERVICE TO WE REAL AMERICANS WHO MAKE THE COUNTRY WORK. YOU AND THE SOCIALIST, COMMIE ILK AS OBAMA. BY THE WAY MCSHAME-ARE YOU GOING TO APLOGIZE TO BILL CUNNINGHAM? AFTER ALL , INSANE OBAMA NOW SAYS HE WILL USE HIS 3 NAMES, BARAK HUSSIEN OBAMA-YOU KNOW , THE MIDDLE NAME YOU TRIED TO RAKE CUNNINGHAM OVER THE COALS ABOUT. STAY AWAY LOSER. WE CONSERVATIVES DONT NEED YOU.

Dec 18, 2008 - 11:05 am 179. kevin c:

I LIVE IN ARIZONA- TRUST ME-MR MCSHAME WILL LIKLEY BE FORCIBLY “RETIRED” BY THE GOP PRIMARY VOTERS IN 2010. HIS JUAM MCANESTY STANCE HAS MADE SOME FAIRLY POWERFUL ENEMIES OUT HERE. AND THE CONSERVATIVES HERE DESPISE HIM. AND NOW HE DOESNT HAVE HIS DEMON RAT GOVERNOR NAPALITANO TO HIDE BEHIND AND BLAME. IM WAITING TO SEE IF SHERIFF JOE ARPAIO(MOST POPULAR PUBLIC OFFICIAL IN THE STATE AND FOR GOOD REASON) ENDORESES MCSHAMES OPPONENT, LIKE HE DID WITH ROMNEY IN THE PRIMARY.

Dec 18, 2008 - 11:17 am 180. zanne:

Kevin, I am here in AZ also. I would be shocked to see sheriff JOE endorse McCain. They are miles apart on illegal immigration and sheriff JOE enforces the laws here. JOE is my hero. Not so much with McCain.

Dec 18, 2008 - 12:49 pm 181. Inventor:

Folks:
I plan to run on the “YOU GOT MONEY” platform.
Obama said the word “Change” almost 4 million times according to the AP, during the some 21 months of stumping for votes.

Not me, you don’t want change, you need “CURRENCY”
That’s my party, “The Currency Party”.

You see, most people want someone they elect to solve “ALL” their problems.

They are looking for Superheros, so then vote for “Superman, Green Hornet, or Underdog”.

No such thing, so why not vote for solutions.
You see, “PEOPLE CHANGE THINGS AND THAT CHANGES PEOPLE”

I’m working on “FREE ENERGY” devices that don’t use any fuel and cost almost nothing to run.
No Carbon or Heat footprint, just pure energy.
We already have working prototypes.

Inventor.

Dec 18, 2008 - 1:29 pm 182. John K.:

I’m still annoyed that McCain got the nomination. I was a Romney guy; he wasn’t the perfect candidate, but he didn’t do everything he could to undermine our party, principles, and chances of winning the election. The Huckster (see the WV Primary and his unceasing attacks), Gov. “Mr.-So-Popular-He-Couldn’t-Even-Bring-Along-His-State-in-the-General” Crist, and the rest of the gang are the ones responsible for this debacle. We had (and have)veritable stars like Jindal, Palin, Kyl, Flake, and Sanford. Instead, we got stuck with McCain. Ridiculous, just ridiculous!

I voted for (and contributed to) McCain, as well, understanding that anyone would be better than “the One.” Sarah was about the only inspiring thing about the ticket. But the way she was savaged, even by McCain staffers, I still find unbelievable. I, too, find it difficult to say, but it’s probably a good thing that McCain lost. He would have permanently altered the shape of the Republican Party; the Dems and the Republicans would be nearly indistinguishable. My only hope is that our military isn’t destroyed in this, Carter’s second term.

Dec 18, 2008 - 1:51 pm 183. Thinking Person:

People…no matter what we now think of McCain, the real point here is that we’re stuck with Obama and all of his shady Chicago politics style for the next 4 years. God help us all. I just hope they’ve put away an original copy of the Constitution for future generations to see. It will not look the same in 4 years.

Dec 18, 2008 - 2:31 pm 184. kabud:

there are lessons to be learned

1.5 years in the hands of KGB means you are irreversibly compromised in one way or another

2.McCain blocked very critical and shocking information about POW that deceased and possibly killed by Clinton people Jan Sejna provided on 2 hearings on the matter: in Senate and in Congress. The story is very strange and McCain role was very suspicious.

3.McCain’s wife was an addict to opiates. Anyone needs this to be explained? i doubt. They never ever rehabilitate

4.Remember just before Palin announcement there were 2 letters with powder intercepted: one sent to McCain another to governor of Florida: Christ who was one of the major candidates to run on McCain ticket

If anyone remembers the 90s: there were several very strange deaths of politicians and high ranking military people. Not to mention other years and other killings.

In a game like US Presidency it was is and always will be that the most devious methods are used.

STAKE ARE VERY HIGH

McCain could as well be just plainly scared to die after the message in a form of a powdered letter was delivered to him. It was a message no doubt.

Could be that there were more.

I can not in any way explain rationally why McCain did not reject the bailouts when public overwhelmingly was against it, why he refused to utilize internet grass roots methods when public was so eager and willing to take part and so on ..

He had a victory in his hand but blew it. He is not a simple guy who never was in politics. He KNOWS. He knows how Sejna was killed, he knows how people around Clintons were killed.

Cmon, it is obvious that McCain new that very powerfull enemy forces want him to lose

Dec 18, 2008 - 3:31 pm 185. Old_Airman_2000:

McCain was a fighter pilot. Ever meet one? A fighter pilot ego is the biggest ego you will ever meet. Except probably a Senator. Bottom line is Palin stole his thunder. He knew it and could see it in the response to Palin on the campaign trail. Probably rubbed him the wrong way from the very beginning. What else would explain his tossing her under the bus at the end of the campaign. Judging from the comments here, Sarah brought more votes to the ticket than against. I knew I felt that way when I pulled that lever. McCain just couldn’t stand being upstaged.

Dec 18, 2008 - 5:10 pm 186. BMCC:

MCCAIN is the prime example of self indulgence. He is so arrogant and ego centric that he can’t even see how humiliating he is to have his head so far up liberals behinds that he hasn’t seen th elight of day for years. It seems so unlike the hero he is depicted in is pow experience that never gave up his commrades but now he feeds his core constituents to satan himself if he could, just to make himself have a few minutes of fame. He is not the brightest guy obviously becuase he still thinks he can get these liberals to like him. Wow I really thought he was smarter. I am so ashamed to have voted for him. I trully will have to add my ote to the list of things I have to confess on sunday. He is almost as contemptable as Colon “Play it safe and have no convictions” Powell. God, don’t get me started with that peice of excrement.

Dec 18, 2008 - 8:24 pm 187. narciso:

Vivo, Newsweek was taken in Martin Eisenstadt of the Harding Institute, a illusion created
by a Mr. Gorlin, an internet prankster, on at least three occasions, yet they haven’t apologized. To be fair, so did Carl Cameron, he hasn’t shown his face in a while, Darwin she was talking to a Canadian audience about important issues to them; those who really cared here in the States did see it; those who didn’t see it don’t even understand the issues. Those GOP talking points are not far from those espoused the ruling Reform Party in Canada, which did suffer a bit of a setback last week.
Kabud I don’t think the Russians are involved in the sabotage or other nefarious activities; Americans can do that on their own thank you very much; One of their papers, Commersant, did notice how the attacks on her did mirror the Kremlin’s attacks, but that reflects stupidity not complicity. The Russians did coin a name for her, transliteration is hard to assure, but
it means huntress, and it’s more of an adjective. The Russians are weak because the Georgian invasion ended up not the way they thought it would; and the oil price,along with the global credit crisis which supported their infrastructure collapse. Doesn’t mean they won’t try again, One disquieting thought, one of the other BMP is in Alaska, the others are scheduled to be in Eastern Europe; where officials of the General staff like Vagovitsyn
have threated drastic actions.

I’m dissapointed with McCain’s behavior as of yet, but I don’t attack his long and arduous service career. I disagreed with not a few of his key positions, and I thought Sarah bridged
that gap. It’s humorous and kind of pitiful at once, that she seems to the best spokesman for a vibrant party; but it’s notthat surprising
from recent experience. Everyone can run, but can they take the same amount of heat as she did and persevere..

Dec 18, 2008 - 9:23 pm 188. Jack:

Then why did you bozos nominate him? He was dead in the water, had to carry his own luggage from the train. You know why, the Republicans got scared when they saw Obama winning early primaries, and hurriedly moved to the middle. Everything the Republicans did was reactionary, no vision, no nothing. Poor McCain was just swept up in a losing battle from the start. He got caught in the racist Palin rallies, that stupid “country first” crap, the rightwing nutjobs really put him through the ringer. He’s just now getting back to who he really is. Never should have been the nominee in the first place, but he’s all the Republicans had since all the others were far to divisive and racist. Although Mr. 911 was more centrist, he just didn’t have the national following.

Dec 18, 2008 - 10:22 pm 189. vivo:

167. Photo9710:

“vivo, did you meant this http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582 ???”

Yes, all the articles.

Dec 19, 2008 - 2:09 am 190. vivo:

187. narciso:

“I’m dissapointed with McCain’s behavior as of yet, but I don’t attack his long and arduous service career.”

Nobody disregards his service career. He’s just not fit to lead or be President. By now he would be drowning the country even deeper. People realized what he was up to. I’m glad.

Dec 19, 2008 - 2:20 am 191. vivo:

188. Jack:

What you wrote is just history now, that’s pretty much what happened.

Dec 19, 2008 - 2:23 am 192. Thinking Person:

Again….It’s nice to Monday morning quarterback the whole McCain situation but it doesn’t change what we’re faced with now……..Obama. Need I say more? Ugh. Someone hide the Constitution. Obama has his Sharpie out and is ready to “change” everything about it. Free speech? He’s wheeling out his “Fairness Doctrine”! Private vote? He’s ready to open the curtain on the “card check act”. Hopefully future generations will forgive us for unleashing him on the country.

Dec 19, 2008 - 7:00 am 193. deguello:

The man is a pompous, clueless ,loser.This why the media loves him so much.The republican party should purge him.

Dec 19, 2008 - 7:00 am 194. Another View:

What’s so surprising about that? Anyone who has followed John McCain’s career over the past 20-plus years should know that McCain is usually quick on the draw to scold members of his party for doing what political parties are supposed to do — act in a partisan manner to advance their own interests. Duh.

Finally a Goper admits the truth. Even if it’s bull stoke the flames of outrage to push our agenda.

To quote Dr. Evil: “Throw me a frickin’ bone here.” But in order to get back in the good graces of liberals, McCain had to make sure he distanced himself from Palin, who is reviled not only by the Washington elite but also by the liberal press that spent more time investigating Palin’s garbage than checking out the corrupt Chicago machine that spawned The One.

Isn’t Alaska ranked first in corruption of all 50 states? Wasn’t it Palin who racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars in clothes and luxury on the RNC dime. Blago is the Gov. of Illinois in Springfield not Chicago.

So for him to give her such an obvious brush-off when she was the only thing his campaign did right — even though they completely misused her talents until the end, when it was too late to save the sinking SS McCain — is absolutely contemptible.

McCain had the Hillary vote prior to picking Palin. All the educated Hillary voters were appalled by “Saracuda”. She lost it for McCain. What were her talents? All she did was throw raw meat at rabid non informed voters. Palin is the real liberal “wealth spreader”. Its ok for her to share revenues but shes still conservative. What a hypocrite.

* Push the RNC to change the primary rules so that only registered Republicans can vote during the primaries. Some states have that requirement, but not all. I say if you can’t bring yourself to commit to a party, you shouldn’t have a say in that party’s nominee.

OK so now you will have a candidate totally out of touch with the country. Instead of being just out of touch.

* Put RINOs on notice. Those who say that conservatives need to move more to the center and become more “moderate” only need to look at the result of the 2008 presidential election to see how well that worked out. Voters who want a Democrat will vote for the real deal, not Democrat-lite.

It worked out great Obama has over 70% approval.

* Get back to basics. Limited government, lower taxes, and traditional values are what made this nation great. Want big spending and out-of-control government? Look for the “D” next to the candidate’s name at the voting booth.

That’s simply a lie. We have had 2 Democratic administrations in the past 60 years. Congress has been democratic 2 years. How did we get here? Must have been Bill and Monica.

* Take advantage of the grassroots movement and fundraising potential available on the Internet.

Yeah learn from President elect Obama.

And the next time McCain looks for conservative support, he’ll have to satisfy himself with once again being the New York Times’ favorite Republican. Not that he’ll consider that to be a consolation prize.

At least he will win something. Unlike the G no P
Go Palin 2012 HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Dec 19, 2008 - 7:38 am 195. Bilgeman:

#185 Old Airman2000:

“McCain was a fighter pilot. Ever meet one?”

Yep

“A fighter pilot ego is the biggest ego you will ever meet. Except probably a Senator.”

You’re vectoring in nicely, let me help with the targeting lock.

Try a Senator who wasn Annapolis “Ring-Knocker” fighter pilot and also son and grandson of admirals.

Ego squared and then CUBED.

When Lieutenant McCain hopped out of his plane, his boots did NOT touch the deck.

And when he went to the head for his post flight constitutional, the MarDet was lining the passageway outside to render “Present Arms” when the young gentleman had finished his business.

Dec 19, 2008 - 7:40 am 196. shamrock2429:

He is a scum bag and always while be a looser, the residents of Arizona started a recall after his last election to the Senate, that speaks volumes!

Dec 19, 2008 - 7:44 am 197. Another View:

Josil
Like so many other Republicans, I voted for the ticket because of Palin. But mr prference was for The ex-Mayor of NY or the ex-governor of Mass.

Are you from New York or even Mass.
What do you like about these men? Because these people aren’t conservative. What is republican to you?
Guiliani is not a good man. that opinion is based on everything he has done. Screaming the Yankees and 9/11 don’t cut it. And he likes to wear womens clothes.

Chuckles 10g Palin doesnt win 2012. 15g she won’t get nomination. My attorney can draw up the paper. Put your money wear your mouth is. Or any takers.

Dec 19, 2008 - 8:44 am 198. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Obviously….

…a LOT of these people, including the good Senator McCain, have ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD for the rule of Law. Let ALONE the Constitution of the United States.

Guess what that makes them. Three guesses. First two don’t count…..

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[]
P.S. Another View….

….my usual wager is a six-pack of the winner’s favorite beverage as offered in 12-16 oz. containers at any Class VI store in the United States.

To be shared with the winner at the time and location of the agreed to by both parties. Just so we can discuss how it all happened and learn from each other.

As you, in the past, have seemed incapable of ‘learning’, I suspect that the bet won, one way or another, would never be fulfilled.

Dec 19, 2008 - 9:22 am 199. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bilgeman
RE: Greetings….

…old friend.

And a Merry Christmas to you, sir.

RE: Target Recognition

Ego squared and then CUBED. — Bilgeman

TARGET!

Cease fire.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Good shooting, that.

[Keep up the fire!]

Dec 19, 2008 - 9:24 am 200. Another View:

Hi Chuck Merry Christmas.I hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving.

I drink Becks.

I thought I had a sucker… kidding.

I’m good for it and it stands for all takers.

Obviously we have differences of opinion. I wouldn’t say either of us has a learning disability. But what I will say is the facts support the Mashup of conservatives/neocons/false patriots/evangelicals and nationalist don’t agree on anything.

And as defense secretary Robert Gates said The Middle East never threatened the security of the USA like the old soviet union did and never will. And our focus should have been on other issues.

That sums up the difference in our philosophies.

Dec 19, 2008 - 10:40 am 201. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Another View
RE: Actually….

Hi Chuck Merry Christmas.I hope you enjoyed your Thanksgiving. — Another View

…this has been the worst holiday season of my entire [58 year] life.

The distaff’s mother passed away yesterday, after a long battle with squamous carcinoma of the neck and mouth.

I’ll get over it, in due time. But for the moment, thinks are something of a ‘bummer’.

RE: Becks

Good choice. Becks does beer good. Personally, I prefer Steinlager. Something to do with the gentleman who the Kiwis were grooming to be their Foreign Service Officer at their embassy in DC that was a classmate with me at LEDC 92-01.

But as long as it’s not the swill offered by most American ‘beer’ makers today….

…it’s got to be better than what you get in most bars these days.

Merry Christmas, and God Bless US, everyone….

Chuck(le)
[Alcohol is the anesthesia by which we endure the operation of life. -- George Bernard Shaw]

P.S. On my fourth brandy, a.k.a. The Water of Life…according to the French, at this time…..

My excuse is that I’ve been up since 2 am pondering the vast intricacies of Life, as viewed by US who remain in this venue after someone we love have been ‘promoted’…..

Dec 19, 2008 - 10:56 am 202. Bilgeman:

Chuck Pelto;

And a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year’s to you and yours as well, “Cunnel”.

Dec 19, 2008 - 12:00 pm 203. Locke:

I’ve never voted for a Democrat for president. However, I could not in good conscious vote for Sen McCain because he was part of the gang of 14, his position on protecting the border (immigration control), and his opposition to the tax cuts early in the Bush presidency. His claims of being oppossed to reckless government spending ring hollow with as much seniority he has in the senate. While he did not load up on earmarks for AZ, he could have mounted a more vigorous attack on government spending. Now his non-support of Gov Palin, is just one more reason to be happy that he will go off in the dust bin of history.

Dec 19, 2008 - 12:15 pm 204. myth buster:

Had Romney been the nominee, the outcome would have been different- Obama would have won 55-35 rather than 52-46. Romney is a disaster.

Dec 19, 2008 - 2:00 pm 205. kabud:

>187. narciso:

you are too naive. USA military is deteriorating at the unprecedented scale;
strategic forces were not updated since like 50 years back: b52s are still our best weapon

our missiles are 40 years old

we did not conduct a nuclear testing in decades

we never ever tested missiles but Russians tested their a month ago with a test that was the longest in distance EVER done at Earth

on December 21 they will fire a NEW strategic missile BULAVA

When we took out Pershing missiles and fired them: not all of them could even work

Russian ss20 were fired at 100% reliability

USA will lose any fight involving strategic weapon. ANY.(((((((

False anthrax letters were sent to McCain from one of USA prisons: this is exactly the KGB method

McCain is just a scared coward

the rest of your conclusions are so naive i dont want to comment em

Dec 19, 2008 - 4:26 pm 206. Someone75:

196. shamrock2429:
“He is a scum bag and always while be a looser, the residents of Arizona started a recall after his last election to the Senate, that speaks volumes!”

Ah, a great example of the small-town, Christian, common sense GOP supporter. At least the terrible American educational system didn’t pollute Shamrock’s mind with “Marxism” or “spelling” and “grammar.”

Dec 19, 2008 - 8:40 pm 207. narciso:

I’m judging things by the standards of those holding actions in Chechen-Ingush territory and
the Caucasus, Wasn’t really impressive. An I concerned with this incoming administrations’s posture and stance; you betcha. General Nagovitsyn, second in command of the Russian General Staff is like a real life version of the parody of Curtis Lemay, put it another way, the character from Dr. Strangelove, who starts WWW 3. Another, your view is basically the MSNBC/CBS/ABC/CNN view; it is the only view; it relies on edited transcripts and gross mis
representations of fact. Like for example is there any proof that she was at any of those locations, where the ‘wardrobe and makeup gate’
were supposedly gathered. No, much like the “Africa is a country” and ’she didn’t know
the countries in NAFTA”, when she was a party to negotiations between two of them, for the AGIA pipelines. By ‘raw uninformed voters’ you don’t mean the ones who didn’t know which party countrolled congress, how Obama got his state legislative and Senate seat, details like that, No, that would be your guys.
Now would I side with the establishment figures like Gates, Powell. Scowcroft ‘the patron of the Wahhabi Lobby, or the neocons, nationalist, yes on the latter point. Gates’s argument is non sensical, what do you think would happen if the Iranians got the bomb; well besides $250.00
barrel oil, a lot of other bad things, The neocons where those people who were challenging the nature of the Soviet system for 50 years, while liberals and weak minded moderates supported every lifeline to the Russians

Dec 19, 2008 - 8:55 pm 208. Elwanda Burrell:

I vote for Gov. Palin and I hope all the money that I gave went to buy her clothes.

Dec 19, 2008 - 9:41 pm 209. vivo:

205. kabud:

Warmonger.

Dec 20, 2008 - 4:07 am 210. Another View:

207. narciso:

Usually when challenged I prefer people rebuke my points not change the the debate. which you have done.

your view is basically the MSNBC/CBS/ABC/CNN view; it is the only view;

If my view is similar to those then yours must be that of FOX and Rush. Actually I follow voting records and the declining dollar and its trail.

Lets check all politicians background in this country. I say pick a politician anywhere and I will dig up more dirt than you will ever find on Obama. In order for Obama to run he had to be squeaky clean. He’s melatonin challenged.

If oil went to $250.00. Who are we to say who can sell what to whom and for how much. Its our fault we are oil dependent so lets blow them up. You are the ugly American. If they had the bomb we would have to change our oppressive policies.

What would you do if i ate all the food in your garden and made you give it to me at my price? And if you didn’t I would take your kids lunch money and push them in the snow.

I simply said the Soviets were a much more serious issue that deserved attention. Not in Iraq. But I have plenty of questions on Nam you wanna answer them?

I hope Palin runs in 2012. It will guarantee another Obama term. I don’t believe Palin pals along with drug dealers. But going with her view of paling around and all the simpletons at her rallies. This clearly shows her hypocrisy. “Thanks for everything Sarah Palin”.

Dec 20, 2008 - 4:42 am 211. CP:

Can someone please explain to me why you would want someone who does not know the basics of how government works, including the office of vice president, to be your president? Palin does not even understand the First Amendment…one of the most important principles this country holds dear.

What’s so wrong with wanting a smart president?

Dec 20, 2008 - 8:37 am 212. Brian Richard Allen:

Perpetually post PTSD-drugged-up one-time North Vietnam and USSR Military Intelligence Adviser and life-time RINO, McRainman, who’s yet to meet either a real Republican or a real American he would reach across the aisle to embrace or a treasonous assault on our sovereign borders he wouldn’t enthusiastically support — aught bugger off home to wherever that is and make room for a Republican replacement!

Maybe he can get back to his correspondence at the lettuce farm and send replies to the several million applicants he got for those $50.00 per hour picker jobs he was offering a while back! I know I’m waiting for mine!

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles – CalifMcCAINicated 90028 & the Far Abroad

Dec 20, 2008 - 8:50 am 213. Chuck Pelto:

TO: CP
RE: Prove It

Palin does not even understand the First Amendment…one of the most important principles this country holds dear. — CP

Indeed. I suspect YOU know less about the Bill of Rights than Governor Palin does.

So, being, as I see it, an outright liar, I can understand why you want one of your own kind as President of the United States.

And so you have one like you.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Ever people get the governance they deserve.]

Dec 20, 2008 - 10:11 am 214. narciso:

Why does one even bother, arguing with some people. Ahmadinejad would certainly attempt nuclear blackmail against the Saudi fields. He also has a strong alliance with Venezuela and Ecuador; two other major OPEC players, any action along any of those axis, including Nigeria and Mexico would have that kind of result Another says, let it blow up, that’s remarkably cavalier. Are you really going to pass of we consume 20% of the world’s resources
garbage. Do you really consider nationalized oil companies a good option, ridiculous> No it’s the same view that gave us Landon and Wilkie, also rans who let Roosevelt’s economic mismanagement off the hook. That gave us Nixon in the 70s, who proceded to mess up a good deal of the economic architecture. ‘wage and price controls, among other things. Are you going to say that Vietnam was the wrong war at the wrong time; considering the track record of the JFK and Johnson administration on their most proximate problem in the Caribbeans I’d probably agree. The difference we were never in a shooting war with the Russians, we are and have been with Baathist, Iranian guard corpsmen
and Wahhabi Ilkwan, for the better part of two decades.

Dec 20, 2008 - 11:27 am 215. radtop:

I really like this article. Especially, because I too elided McCain from my Picture.

Dec 20, 2008 - 11:35 am 216. Another View:

Chuck; sincerely compassionate. Best wishes.

Dec 20, 2008 - 12:20 pm 217. Another View:

narcissist;

You don’t get it. Or you simply agree with U.S. imperialism.

What has Chavez done to the U.S.?

Dec 20, 2008 - 12:28 pm 218. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Another View
RE: [OT] U.S. Imperialism?

You don’t get it. Or you simply agree with U.S. imperialism. — Another View

Show me our empire. Does it include the countries we conquered in WWII; Germany, Japan and Italy?

How about the more recent ones; Grenada, Kuwait and Panama?

Or the older one; Philippine Islands?

Show this U.S. Empire to me. Show it to US.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

Dec 20, 2008 - 1:15 pm 219. narciso:

American Imperialism, this is new a argument cribbed from Chomsky, Beard, Williams. orMichael
Moore; much like the Harvard jock baiting Matt Damon’s character in Good Will Hunting on Wood’s political economy. I defer to you, Oh reasonable one, I thought I was talking to a rational individual. You probably think Obama is too moderate for you, like Laski thought of FDR, My mistake, for taking you seriously.

Dec 20, 2008 - 1:54 pm 220. mikes:

I think we should get rid of the republican & democratic parties and just have the liberal & conservative parties. This way people will know what to vote for without smoke and mirrors. There should be a limit on their term- four years and get the hell out!These people are not royalty; they should not have a job for life!

Dec 20, 2008 - 3:34 pm 221. Schmuck Pelto:

Show me the World Wide Web. Does it include Google or Pajamas Media? How about comments on Pajamas Media articles? Show this World Wide Web to me. Show it to US.

Dec 20, 2008 - 3:55 pm 222. BMoon:

….What’s so wrong with wanting a smart president?(CP #211)Palin humiliated Biden in their debate on the VP role, she had it right and Biden butchered it. 1st Amendment? To get a smart President you have to first have a smart electorate. When we have Harvard grads who barely pass High school civics-history tests,(69%) and a general electorate who certainly cannot pass them, and examples of profound, frightening, stuporous ignorance such as yours and similar feeble-minded robots of a Goebellian Leftist press, what do you expect?

Dec 20, 2008 - 4:29 pm 223. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Schuckie Pooh
RE: The WWW?

Show me the World Wide Web. — Schuckie Pooh

So the World Wide Web is the U.S. Empire? It’s a virtual empire?

Very interesting, but it won’t fly. The Communist Chinese control their bloc. The Iranians control theirs. US have got no say in how they run their blocs of the World Wide Web

So, as you can see you’re puny effort to claim the World Wide Web is the U.S. Empire falls WAY short of reality.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Unless you come up with better information, why don’t you shut the schmuck up?

Furthermore, if you’re so opposed to our virtual empire….

….WHY are YOU using it?

Dec 20, 2008 - 6:22 pm 224. Ronald Reagan:

McCain was washed up before he even ran and fair Sarah, well, her disregard for syntax is what I’ll miss about her.

Dec 20, 2008 - 6:58 pm 225. kabud:

209. vivo: JUST FOR YOU little one from the newsreel
———-
Final “Bulava” test launch

2008-12-16
Submissile launch

Submissile launch
Russia plans another test launch of a “Bulava” missile December 21. If the test is successful, the Russian Navy will put the missile into service.

The newest Russian sea-based intercontinental ballistic missile “Bulava” will be launched from a Northern Fleet nuclear submarine December 21, a source in the military-industrial complex told news agency Interfax.

- This will be the final test launch. If the test is successful, the missile will be put into service by the Russian Navy, and serial production will start, the source said.

The Russian Navy has previously launched nine Bulava missiles. Four of those ended with failure. The first completely successful test launch of the missile was conducted in November.

The Bulava carries the NATO reporting name SS-NX-30. It is based on the SS-27 (Topol M), but is both lighter and more sophisticated.

The first submarine to be equipped with Bulava missiles, is Borey-class nuclear-powered sub “Yury Dolgoruky”, which is currently undergoing sea trials. It will be equipped with 16 Bulava ballistic missiles, each carrying up to 10 nuclear warheads and having a range of 8,000 kilometers. Two other Borey-class nuclear submarines, the “Alexander Nevsky” and the “Vladimir Monomakh”, are currently under construction at the Sevmash plant in Arkhangelsk.

Read also:

Russia testfired “Bulava” missile

Russia starts serial production of “Bulava” missiles

————————–

check out WIKI on russian WMD

if you dont have a learning disability which i suspect you have

Dec 20, 2008 - 8:30 pm 226. Glenn A Knight:

It must be fun to trash the last reasonable man in the Republican party. What some of you “conservatives” fail to understand is that, while the selection of Sarah Palin didn’t cost McCain the election, it may have cost the Republican party elections for years to come. A party that would nominate a totally unqualified, not very honest, right-wing Barbie doll for Vice President, doesn’t deserve anyone’s vote, and isn’t likely to get it.

The author is, of course, incorrect, when she says that the purpose of a party is to act in a partisan manner in its own interests. The purpose of a political party is to win elections, so as to carry out its principles in the governance of the country. The Republicans seem to have lost sight of the simple fact that you can’t win elections with only the votes of anti-abortion, gun-owning, evangelicals with 8th-grade educations – the people who supported Sarah Palin.

Dec 21, 2008 - 5:50 am 227. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Glenn A Knight
RE: You…..

It must be fun to trash the last reasonable man in the Republican party. — Glenn A Knight

….must be a Democrat, at heart.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections. -- Samual Adams]

P.S. Why did McCain divorce his first wife?

Dec 21, 2008 - 6:28 am 228. Chuck Pelto:

TO: All
RE: Glenn A Knight & ‘Democrat’ Logic

The purpose of a political party is to win elections, so as to carry out its principles in the governance of the country. — Glenn A Knight

See what I mean about Glenn A Knight is a Democrat. It’s all about power to him and the ends justify the means.

He’s a sorry excuse for a human being.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile fields and boundless prairies, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world commence, and it was not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. -- Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, c. 1835]

Dec 21, 2008 - 6:31 am 229. CP:

So I’m stupid and ignorant, based on three sentences? I’m so glad that any sort of opposing view is respectfully debated here.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/31/palin/index.html

Dec 21, 2008 - 9:48 am 230. Chuck Pelto:

TO: CP
RE: Wrong

So I’m stupid and ignorant, based on three sentences? I’m so glad that any sort of opposing view is respectfully debated here. — CP

You’re ’stupid’ because you make statements you can’t defend in a ‘respectful debate’.

I simple asked you to prove your point about Palin disrespecting the first item in the Bill of Rights. And you offer nothing but an absurd twisting of the English language on a par with Bill Clinton’s question about the definition of ‘is’.

THAT makes you ’stupid’.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]

Dec 21, 2008 - 10:05 am 231. Chuck Pelto:

P.S. If it’s any consolation….

…Glenn Greenwald is even more stupid than you are. After all, he was the one who came up with the idea of perverting English first. Or, more probably, he’s not so much stupid as evil.

You were just stupid in following his lead.

Dec 21, 2008 - 10:11 am 232. kabud:

Hey, Chuky,

i like that enemy agents hate our Sarah so much!

Because they are scared.

We have to protect her because i am sure she may be in danger
the church burning is a first known act of terror against our lider

Dec 21, 2008 - 10:24 am 233. Chuck Pelto:

TO: kabud
RE: [OT] Sore Winners

We have to protect her because i am sure she may be in danger the church burning is a first known act of terror against our lider — kabud

I’m reminded of the days of my ‘coming of age’ in the late 1960s in Louisiana.

The gentleman down the street from where we lived ran for the Parish School Board on an integration platform.

Two days after he LOST the election, the bat-rastards of segregation torched his car in front of his house.

These ‘Democrats’ who torched Governor Palin’s church AFTER SHE LOST are cut from the same bolt of despicable cloth.

These people have not changed their stripes, let alone their mental outlook on dissent, which they allegedly ‘prized’ these last eight years.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[People who are sore losers make for sore winners. -- CBPelto]

Dec 21, 2008 - 11:29 am 234. Horace Wells:

It’s small minded reactionary morons, who think some cow, I mean moose, hunter from Alaska is a great leader, who are the reason the GOP lost. No one with a brain and integrity can take a loudmouth nobody like Laura Ingraham, or the rest of the anti-intellectual media windbags, seriouosly. Funny, for all Laura’s pandering to her medieval Church she does, she seems to omit that the Pope was against her precious holy war in Iraq.
After all, you supported W twice like the lemmings you are, so why is McCain so awful for you? Cause he didn’t pander to the plastic Jesus by the gun rack crowd? Calling your type anti-intellectual is simply being charitable.

Dec 21, 2008 - 7:31 pm 235. vivo:

232. kabud:

233. Chuck Pelto: “These ‘Democrats’ who torched Governor Palin’s church AFTER SHE LOST are cut from the same bolt of despicable cloth.”

I’ve heard of governments placing bombs agaist themselves to make people think they were placed by others, just to stir commotion and “legalize’ persecution. Usually right-wing governments. What a coincidence! . . .

(My learning disability is the result of a contagious spurt of anti-Communist propaganda in the 50’s) . . .

Dec 22, 2008 - 1:14 am 236. Bilgeman:

#235 vivo:

“I’ve heard of governments placing bombs agaist themselves to make people think they were placed by others, just to stir commotion and “legalize’ persecution. Usually right-wing governments. What a coincidence! . . . ”

So Hitler burned the Reichstag, and that makes it okay to torch Governor Palin’s church while there were CHILDREN inside of it?

Is there ANY crime that Liberals won’t rationalize as long as the political cover story is “Correct”?

You really need to examine yourself.

14 year olds shot in the back while running away. Women shot in the face while holding a baby. Federal agents shooting indiscriminately into a building with over two dozen children inside of it. Other Federal agents burning those same children to death when their parents wouldn’t surrender them to the same government that had shot at the kids not two months before.

All of this happenned…and to Americans.

And the Left accepted and promoted the Liberal alibi for these crimes.

Pray that you never stray from the True Liberal Path, vivo.

God only knows what fate might await you.

Dec 22, 2008 - 4:40 am 237. brooke:

Face it, MOST repubs and conservatives voted AGAINST obama rather than, for McCain. I’m still amazed, of all the brilliant possibilities it came down to these 2. This is not the USA that I know.

Dec 22, 2008 - 5:10 am 238. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bilgeman, et al.
RE: Nothing Sacred

Is there ANY crime that Liberals won’t rationalize as long as the political cover story is “Correct”? — Bilgeman to vivo

In a word? “No”. And the burining of Governor Palin’s church and vivo’s effort to are just examples of how THESE ‘Democrats’ will justify murder in the cause of their agenda.

There is nothing that is ‘truth’ to them, except what they make up in their feeble little minds and hate-filled hearts.\

vivo provides prima facia evidence for that.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Fools make a mock at sin: but among the righteous there is favour. -- Proverbs]

Dec 22, 2008 - 6:18 am 239. Chuck Pelto:

TO: brooke
RE: Wrong

Face it, MOST repubs and conservatives voted AGAINST obama rather than, for McCain. — brooke

I voted for Palin. If she hadn’t been on the ticket, I’d not have voted for either McCain OR Obama.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. I was hoping she’d be quickly ‘promoted’.

Dec 22, 2008 - 6:19 am 240. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Bilgeman
RE: vivo….

14 year olds shot in the back while running away. Women shot in the face while holding a baby. Federal agents shooting indiscriminately into a building with over two dozen children inside of it. Other Federal agents burning those same children to death when their parents wouldn’t surrender them to the same government that had shot at the kids not two months before. — Bilgeman

I suspect that vivo is too young to remember Ruby Ridge and let alone watch the holocaust at Waco and realize women and children were being burned to death by the actions of ‘Federal Law Enforcement Agents’ (FLEAs), at the behest of President Bill Clinton (D-AR).

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[FLEAs are deadly.]

P.S. It wasn’t too terribly long after that that the FBI’s “Hostage Rescue Team” (HRT) changed their name.

Too many people were referring to them as the Homicidal Rifle Team (HRT). After all, they’d killed more people than they’d rescued…..

Dec 22, 2008 - 6:24 am 241. Chuck Pelto:

P.P.S. I think I also picked up a report that Lon Horuchi, the HRT guy with the most notches carved in his sniper rifle, had changed his name.

Three guesses as to why THAT might be…..and I see it as a key indicator……

Dec 22, 2008 - 6:25 am 242. Bilgeman:

“Three guesses as to why THAT might be…..and I see it as a key indicator……”

“The guilty man flees when none pursueth”?

Dec 22, 2008 - 6:58 am 243. Simon:

McCain is no backstabber, no traitor. He is just uncomfortable with being a politician. That’ s what made him a losing candidate. He is sticking with the GOP because he would have no chance at being something relevant if he was an independent ( I thing he may become one shortly now, though ), but absolutely he is a guy who thinks with his own head, has severe issues with discipline thus doesn’ t like to say things he’ ll regret in the future just because they may sound good right now, or abide to party doctrine. He is a honorable and straightforward person, and this make it difficult to be the nice politician who always says what you would like to hear.

Dec 22, 2008 - 7:34 am 244. Chuck Pelto:

TO: Simon
RE: Yeah?

McCain is no backstabber, no traitor. — Simon

Please explain away McCain-Feingold and the ‘law’ that shoots a hole in the First Amendment so wide he could fly his fighter jet through it.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Bill of Rights, void where prohibited by law.]

Dec 22, 2008 - 8:10 am 245. vivo:

232. kabud:

233. Chuck Pelto: “These ‘Democrats’ who torched Governor Palin’s church AFTER SHE LOST are cut from the same bolt of despicable cloth.”

I’ve heard of governments placing bombs against themselves to make people think they were placed by others, just to stir commotion and “legalize’ persecution. Usually right-wing governments. What a coincidence! . . .

Did you read what I wrote? I didn’t say the Democrats did it, but that it’s suspicious that right-wingers could have done it. I’ve seen it done in other countries by USA trained criminals/terrorists.

Slow down and read the printed word.

Dec 22, 2008 - 7:28 pm 246. Bilgeman:

vivo:

“Did you read what I wrote? I didn’t say the Democrats did it, but that it’s suspicious that right-wingers could have done it. I’ve seen it done in other countries by USA trained criminals/terrorists.”

You’re taking the concept of “nauseating” to new lows.

Tell me this, o paranoid one, back in the mid-90’s,around the time of the Clinton re-election campaign, when the media highlighted an “epidemic” of church fires across the South, did you likewise harbor suspicions that they may have been arsons committed by Democrats in order to benefit their nominee?

Your insinuations sound ridiculous. They have the stench of a desperate person in denial casting about for ANY lifeline, no matter how absurd, to allow him to avoid facing the reality that those he supports are NOT the “Good Guys”.

Palin is a Republican Governor whose candidacy for VP electrified the conservative voting bloc and caused an untold amount of discomfiture to the liberal voting bloc.

Their reaction to her was proof enough of their angst.

Just like their reaction in hustling this act of terrorism off the front page and into the “Memory Hole” speaks volumes.

Dec 23, 2008 - 7:10 am 247. Chuck Pelto:

TO: vivo
RE: Yeah

Did you read what I wrote? — vivo

I did. What’s your point?

I didn’t say the Democrats did it…. — vivo

Try not to be completely stupid. I never said you said Democrats did it. I said I think the Democrats did it.

Maybe YOU should take your OWN advice and read what people write. [Note: And likely stop snorting colored chalk dust too. It's apparently getting in your eyes.]

….but that it’s suspicious that right-wingers could have done it. — vivo

Yeah. Right. We’d have a lot to gain from burning our own.

However, history proves that totalitarians do such things. Not conservatives. And, in my honestly held opinion, the Democrats, these days, are totalitarians at heart.

How can I say such a think? Well….

….I’ve seen it played out in my community, where people who love and appreciate my wife said they couldn’t support her candidacy for the state legislature because the Democrats would throw them out of their ’synagogue’.

One Democrat precinct chair even retracted her formal complaint of the Democrats trying to commit voter fraud because they ‘talked ‘ to her about complaining.

I’ve seen it done in other countries by USA trained criminals/terrorists — vivo

How interesting. You actually WITNESSED it. Show US your proof. Did you get depositions? Tape recordings? Videos?

Or is it all in your itty-bitty head?

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The truth will out, but it takes patience with people like this.]

Dec 23, 2008 - 10:01 am

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