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1. Ed Wallis:

The Flat Line Media would do us a service to delve into this, but I’m not holding my breath:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

Sep 28, 2008 - 1:04 am 2. Jeff:

This is the most ironic time in the history of America, where a black man is condemned by the actions of a white man for his actions of the past. Although I am not a black man, I do see the injustice of this. If a white man is condemned by the actions of a black man, I would equally see the same injustice.

We must realize that America is not the only country of this world. The collective of this world comprises of many colors and if ignorance is not completely destroyed, then we are no better than the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11, for solely hating us because we are in FACT different from them. How many more decades and centuries must humanity continue this ignorance.

Sep 28, 2008 - 1:18 am 3. Jeff:

All of the major destructions of this world, throughout the world’s history, have been caused by people who have a total lack of tolerance for the different and the unknown. Take Genghis Khan, Napoleon, Hitler, and Osama Bin Laden, for example. How many people on Earth has these collective of ignorant human beings killed? Can humanity really learn from the mistakes of these characters? Can humanity transcend above and beyond this ignorance in decades or centuries?

Sep 28, 2008 - 1:45 am 4. Jack Herman:

Good one Jeff. You made me laugh.

Sep 28, 2008 - 2:09 am 5. john from cinncinati:

he is an associate of a known terrorist. the little prankster was just up to some college hijinks. nothing to serious to condemn?????

Sep 28, 2008 - 2:10 am 6. Ed Wallis:

“Jeff” 1:18am seems to be bitterly clinging to his racism and relativism!!!

“The collective of this world…” OH MY. Let’s be generous and set aside the near illiterate syntax/grammar…err…”deficiencies.” I care about the world too, “Jeff,” yet I make the final decision for my country based on all input from many sources. YOU ARE SAYING: “Vote Zerobama ’cause the rest of the world likes him…OK, so it includes terrorists and other who wish our demise…THEY’RE people TOO!”

Your thinking is FRAUDULENT, SUICIDAL OR BOTH.

SINCE YOU’RE O S T E N S I B L Y AGAINST “ignorance,” RUN - DON’T WALK - AWAY FROM OBAMA.

Sep 28, 2008 - 3:46 am 7. Perry:

Jeff, you and your Obamabots live in a fantasyland of moral relativist psychobabble. The problem, as with Islamists, is that there are so damn many of you.
God help us.

Sep 28, 2008 - 4:17 am 8. Jeff:

It’s ok Ed Wallis,

I see the level of intimidation that you seem to have of me as an honor. It is not everyday that one can command this level of intimidation from another person to see him try to debunk one’s view unsucessfully, I might add, throughout this whole entire website.

I do worry for you and I just hope that you don’t impose your mentality upon your kids or their kids. It is you who is the TRUE racist and you try to even accuse me of that is beyond ridiculous, at best. I have never called McCain any names throughout this website while you, Ed Wallis, keep going on and on with your ramblings of Obama by calling him Zerobama. People that read this forum are not unintelligent, they know who the TRUE racist is.

Sep 28, 2008 - 4:36 am 9. Austin:

Jeff,

Lets get together to shop for nails and pipes next week. Maybe we can paint the nails white to make you happy.

Sep 28, 2008 - 5:48 am 10. HBG:

Do you work for Monty Python? That second para: “I see the level of intimidation that you seem to have of me as an honor.” might be a sentence, but it makes no sense.

Sep 28, 2008 - 5:51 am 11. Jeff Weimer:

Obama and Ayers? Nothing to see here, move along….

Jeff, it’s the close connection these two enjoyed the last (at least) 15 years that worries us. Ayers and his group did some despicable things, and Obama was only 8 so no big deal, right? Wrong. We’re not trying to tie Obama to any of the acts, but to the fact that Ayers to this day is unrepentant to the point of “not ruling it out” again. You can safely assume he felt that way during his work with Obama on the CAC and the Woods fund. He also held the now famous Obama Illinois Senate announcement party in his home. All of that strongly suggests he’s more than “just a guy from my neighborhood”. That party itself is more the act of a mentor assisting his protege in his first tentative steps, but I digress. The most important takeaway is that considering the type of Ideologue that Ayers is, and it’s well documented in the NYT and Chicago Sun-Times in 2001 and 2003, he would not associate with people who fundamentally disagree with him or his “little c” communism, never mind working side by side for years and especially endorsing Obama’s state Senate run the way he did. This goes to Obama’s deepest held political conviction. After all, you can tell a lot about a man by the company he keeps, and we’re getting nothing about Ayers. That’s a travesty, and you willfully blind yourself to it. One investigator who tried to dig into the CAC was temporarily denied by parties unknown. When he went on the radio in Chicago to discuss it, the Obama campaign itself alerted supporters to drown out his discussion - and he hadn’t seen anything yet! That’s telling in and of itself, what is the campaign trying to hide that it felt the need to go nuclear on one guy who hadn’t yet been able to look into Obama’s past? What are they afraid of? If the relationship was really that mundane, why react like that?

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:00 am 12. David Thomson:

The American people simply do not know about Barack Obama’s involvement with Bill Ayers and the Saul Alinsky activists. He would be 15 points down in the polls if the truth wasn’t hidden from them by the MSM which is now, for all practical purposes, the propaganda arm of the Democratic Party. Democracy is impossible when the citizenry is constantly being deceived.

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:33 am 13. Chris in Toronto:

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I wish Ayn Rand were still around. Wanna know what I’m referring to, just read John Galt’s speech.

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:40 am 14. Exdamyankee:

Jeff, you know what the problem is with you? You see a BLACK candidate and his association with a WHITE man potentially bringing him down. All I see is a presidential candidate and his relationship with an unrepentant terrorist. Despite how much you desperately want it to be so, color has *nothing* to do with this.

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:44 am 15. Paul Bogdan:

It seems Barry (along with the press)is doing a better job keeping his associations hushed than the Clintons.The MSM think they can elect a president.
I am scared to death what “O” will do to make us look good in the eyes of the world.

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:10 am 16. ALEXISTAN:

A blind eye and different standards apply to Obama.

Affirmative action has reached the pinnacle.

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:16 am 17. geokstr:

Jeff:

As usual, any attempt to criticize Obama is called “racist” a word which has been pre-empted by the left in the last two decades and re-defined to mean anyone who disagrees with the left, pretty much for any reason.

If we accurately quote Islamists that want to destroy Israel and kill all infidels, including you, we are “racist”. If we want to control our borders or preserve our culture, we are “racist”. If we want to identify who exactly all these poor credit risks are that are defaulting on all these mortgages and causing our whole economic melt-down, we are “racist”.

By extension, apparently any disagreement with Obama or examination of his background is also “racist”.

What can we call the left’s despicable behavior in sniffing the garbage cans of Sarah Palin looking for specks of dirt, “hockeymomism” or maybe “moosehunterism”? Doesn’t seem to have quite the ring to it, does it?

Here is what you can’t seem to get your head around. If McCain or Palin had extremely close associations lasting decades with the KKK (like many democrats actually have), we would reject them in a second. If they had been shaped by people they were proud to call mentors, who advocated white supremacy, or were named McVeigh, they’d be dumped by us like a hot potato. If they went out of their way to hide these associations, we’d be the first to dig into them. You see, we wouldn’t want people like that to be our leaders.

But Obama has had nearly constant immersion in a political philosophy we find abhorrent and have for a century - communism. His mentor throughout his formative teenage years, Frank Marshall Davis - a self proclaimed communist. Ayers and Dohrn, with whom he has had a 15 year CLOSE relationship with - self proclaimed communist revolutionaries (and very sick puppies, indeed). His own father - a self proclaimed communist.

Toss in his admitted spiritual guru of 20 years, a raving lunatic Black Liberation theologist. Add in a rapid rise through the worst machine politics known in this country, with dirty tricks responsible for both his Senatorial victories, and that is the background that defines who he is, and how he got to where he is now.

If this guy’s skin was white as the driven snow, we’d be raising the exact same issues about him.

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:25 am 18. Jeff:

Look guys,

We need to give our white heritage a sense of decency. Our history, since the discovery of America by Columbus in 1492, up until the present day, has not been the best history in the world. I agree that Obama has some unlikely characters as friends but there is absolutely no solid evidence of any wrongdoing on his part. If there were such evidence, the Feds would be on to him quicker than any of us can imagine. There would be not a chance in the world that he could even be running for this Presidential race. We really need to give this a rest to give our own heritage some sense of decency.

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:47 am 19. Pee Wee Herman, Community Organizer:

Newsflash: newly uncovered information shows that John McCain worked on the board of an organization with Timothy McVeigh which funneled over $100 million of education funds to Stormfront, Aryan Nations, and other racist organizations to indoctrinate schoolchildren regarding the dangers of black peril.

Er….NOT!

But if that were the case, the media wouldn’t consider that news, now would they? Right?

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:53 am 20. Saltherring:

Fueled by indoctrination from leftist-controlled public schools/universities and the “mainstream” news media, America is now saddled with one and perhaps two generations of “Jeff’s”. “Jeff’s” have little or no knowledge of America’s constitution, government or history, and therefore no conception of what makes America different from the rest of the world. When the anti-American elitists who created the “Jeff’s” succeed in manufacturing enough of them, the result is a Pelosi/Reid congress and Obama elected to the presidency. Is this the year?

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:00 am 21. vb:

Jeff,
Which country does have the best history in the world?

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:31 am 22. Jeff:

Sathering,

So you are saying that, for those of us who support Obama, that we are anti-American. Is that correct? For Obama to be President is against the very core of our constitution. Is that correct? Can you elaborate on that please? I really would like to here from you how Obama is a threat to our Constitution.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:33 am 23. trangbang68:

“We need to give our white heritage a sense of decency” Oop there it is! Jeff articulating white liberal guilt. Jeff is morally superior to us because he supports the black guy. Never mind what policies the candidates embrace. Its all about racial guilt.
This is the same mindset that caused white celebrity liberals to run interference for the murderous Huey Newton and the Black Panther street thugs in the sixties. The same ideology that turned rich white kids like Ayers and Dohrn into domestic terrorists.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:34 am 24. Jeff:

By all means people,

If any of you have any solid evidence on hard copy of any of Obama’s wrongdoing in regards with Ayers, Rezko, Alinsky, Rev. Wright, or anyone else that you can muster up; please bring it to the Feds. All of you guys seem to have compelling evidences so please notify the Feds right away. The clock is ticking. There is only 37 days left till election day and time is wasting away so please, for the love of God, please hurry guys.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:46 am 25. Jeff:

Trangbang68,

What I was referring to was that we need to give our heritage some sense of decency by not accusing Obama of something when even our Feds have nothing on him. You need to read it again.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:50 am 26. Jeff Weimer:

Jeff:

We’re NOT accusing him of any wrongdoing, and he’s free to associate with anyone he pleases. However, we exercise the right to yes, judge a candidate on his merits and decide if he’s right for the nation - regardless of the color of his skin. The fact is, he’s consistently surrounded himself with people who subscribe to political theories that openly advocate the overthrow of our American systems. You can’t deny that he since he’s immersed himself in this (for lack of a better word) theology, that he won’t act upon these impulses that have guided his life so far? You think we should ignore all of tht since we now have the possibility to symbolically make right the sins of our past? There is nothing we can directly do to fix what once was wrong, we can only do what is right from now on. Symbolically papering it over with a black candidate purely because he is black is not the way to do it. You misunderstand our opposition to him. If he were more in the mold of Bill Clinton, that is more centrist, or even a moderate to conservative Republican - and had the record to back it up, we would be solidly behind him (or at least not as unsure if a centrist Democrat). Race wouldn’t have anything to do with it, and it doesn’t now.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:52 am 27. jd:

Jeff,

1. I’m not going to vote for anyone out of a sense of guilt.
2. No one has said that Obama has committed any criminal acts, only that his associates have.
3. Before I vote for anyone for President of this country, I want all the facts, and the news media is silent on Senator Obama’s past.
4. If you’re so sure he has nothing to hide, why not put it in front of the American public and let them decide. Are you afraid of what they’ll think?

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:02 am 28. vb:

Jeff,

As far as I know, having bad judgement and an irrealistic worldview are not crimes. They are reasons for not voting for someone.

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:05 am 29. Wacky Hermit:

Jeff: “our white heritage”? Who are you calling “we,” white man? Even many you might consider “white” consider ourselves part of a different heritage than other people who consider themselves “white”– Polish, Italian, Jewish, Irish, etc. The only people who speak of “white heritage” as if whites were one monolithic block are racists.

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:24 am 30. Carol Mickle:

C’mon, Jeff, the Feds dare not investigate. There’d be too many groups harping about how it’s the racist government again persecuting a black man. Even though it has **nothing to do with RACE**!! PeeWee Herman (above) had it right: If McCain had just an smidge of association with a KKK/McVeigh type organization, the MSM and Democrats would be all over it, we’d be hearing about it day after day, they’d have a bigger team investigating it than is dredging up in Alaska against Palin. But Obama gets a pass, coz (1) He’s a Democrat and so is the MSM, and (2) he’s black (ergo to investigate his background would seem to be racist).

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:26 am 31. Jeff:

If all of you are so concerned about Obama’s association with some unlikely characters, and given that your concerns are impartial, why aren’t any of you concerned about McCain’s involvement in the Keating Five? This is a time when our financial institutions are crumbling at epic proportions. Wouldn’t the Keating Five incident be a major concern at this very moment? For those of you who have not heard of the Keating Five, take a look —

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:39 am 32. Dr. Dean:

Jeff: Please directly address the issue as vb and Jeff Weimer expressed it. You are ignoring the issue instead throwing out canards of racism and ‘white heritage’ and such which have no bearing on the real matter at hand. Address if you will Obama’s judgment as demonstrated by his actual behavior, his choices of associates. As with anyone, Obama’s actions - his choices - speak far louder than his words, books and speeches.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:24 am 33. Dr. Dean:

Jeff, this discussion is about Obama - not McCain. You are obviously avoiding addressing the real issue of Obama’s judgment as demonstrated by his choices of associates. Why is that?

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:26 am 34. Ditto:

Jeff wrote:
So you are saying that, for those of us who support Obama, that we are anti-American. Is that correct? For Obama to be President is against the very core of our constitution. Is that correct? Can you elaborate on that please? I really would like to here from you how Obama is a threat to our Constitution.Jeff, first off I want to explain that I’m not attempting to change your mind - I would be thrilled, however, if you really want to follow a path of discovery rather than accept the party line. I try to do the same - find out my own facts and make up my own mind - without giving in blindly to my party’s line.
Having said that, yes - I would say the Democratic candidate has several areas in which his actions are constitutionally questionable. I will quote for you only the latest:
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Saturday, September 27, 2008
Contact: Jessica Robinson, 573-751-0290

Gov. Blunt Statement on Obama Campaign’s Abusive Use of Missouri Law Enforcement

JEFFERSON CITY - Gov. Matt Blunt today issued the following statement on news reports that have exposed plans by U.S. Senator Barack Obama to use Missouri law enforcement to threaten and intimidate his critics.“St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch, St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, Jefferson County Sheriff Glenn Boyer, and Obama and the leader of his Missouri campaign Senator Claire McCaskill have attached the stench of police state tactics to the Obama-Biden campaign.“What Senator Obama and his helpers are doing is scandalous beyond words, the party that claims to be the party of Thomas Jefferson is abusing the justice system and offices of public trust to silence political criticism with threats of prosecution and criminal punishment.“This abuse of the law for intimidation insults the most sacred principles and ideals of Jefferson. I can think of nothing more offensive to Jefferson’s thinking than using the power of the state to deprive Americans of their civil rights. The only conceivable purpose of Messrs. McCulloch, Obama and the others is to frighten people away from expressing themselves, to chill free and open debate, to suppress support and donations to conservative organizations targeted by this anti-civil rights, to strangle criticism of Mr. Obama, to suppress ads about his support of higher taxes, and to choke out criticism on television, radio, the Internet, blogs, e-mail and daily conversation about the election.“Barack Obama needs to grow up. Leftist blogs and others in the press constantly say false things about me and my family. Usually, we ignore false and scurrilous accusations because the purveyors have no credibility. When necessary, we refute them. Enlisting Missouri law enforcement to intimidate people and kill free debate is reminiscent of the Sedition Acts - not a free society.”

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:30 am 35. Jarhead:

Jeff,

You are an a**. I’ve had drinks with my Army buddies at the Dix NCO Club (no idea if it is the same building as it was in 1970). The bar there, like the bar on almost any U.S. military base, has a far more diverse crowd than any civilian bar I’ve seen.

The target of Ayers and his co-conspirators wasn’t the white man. It was people who serve this country. People who value freedom, people who would stand up to communists.

Obama buddy and business partner is a communist terrorist.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:37 am 36. geokstr:

Jeff:

You asked for some proof, by which I assume you mean we need to able to produce a video of Obama swapping spit with Farrakhan at the Communist Party USA convention (not that that would stop you from voting for Obama.) Of course we don’t have that, but here is a very interesting article that summarizes just how much Obama has been shaped by 1960’s radical thinking:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html

I’d never seen it put together so well before. I had thought decades ago that communist radicalism had been defeated, but it just transformed itself into psuedo-legitimate appearing “community organizers” and leftwing university faculties with the same ultimate goal, bringing down this country.

Obama is still very much tied to groups like ACORN, at the forefront of voter fraud and “community organizing” to force lenders to make very risky loans, which is the penultimate cause of the current crisis. His campaign was caught paying ACORN $800,000 just a couple months ago, and mischaracterizing what the payments were for. The “bailout”, until conservatives raised the alarm, had potentially BILLIONS of dollars going to ACORN and similar leftist groups to continue their vote fraud and disruptive activity.

Now you can probably put together such an article showing how McCain has surrounded himself with members of the military all his life, and allied himself with organizations that promote less regulation, less goverment and more and personal business freedom. That is philosopically who he is. If you choose to judge him harshly because of that, that says as much about you as it does about McCain.

Much as I don’t like or trust McCain, I for one will take someone whose character and worldview were shaped by that backgound than the very Anti-American groups that Obama has been totally immersed in all his life.

People like you are not necessarily Anti-American per se. In the old Soviet Union, those in the West that performed your function, without being actual members of the Party, were called “useful idiots”.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:41 am 37. otherjeff:

Let me get this straight. Jeff wants us to forget about Ayers, but remember Keating?

Instead of looking at skin color and associations, let’s look at actual policy and accomplishment.

What has Obama accomplished in the Senate? He has the most liberal voting record-and liberals don’t have a good economic track record. In the Illinois Senate, he voted “present” a significant amount of the time to try and avoid a track record. He has not reached across the aisle in either spot.

What has McCain accomplished? Obviously a lot more than Obama by virtue of being there longer. he has a track record of reaching across the aisle; McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold etc. The former Democratic VP candidate is supporting McCain.

Okay Obama people, let’s just throw this out too!

What are we running on? Obama-anti-surge, anti-war, pro-tax, pro-trade barrier, pro larger government. McCain-pro-Iraq, Pro-surge, low tax, free trader.

Decide on the merits of that. McCain is better for America

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:50 am 38. RNB:

Jeff: Re the Keating Five. That’s a tactic politely known as ‘tu quoque,’ and impolitely known as ‘dodging the question,’ ‘trying to change the subject, or ‘you too!’ It doesn’t fly.

Sep 28, 2008 - 11:04 am 39. twolaneflash:

As a drafted soldier, I went through Fort Dix leaving the country in 1971. It was a dangerous place to be with thousands of soldiers passing through while awaiting tranport to and from Nam and other places. You were just as likely to be jumped by a gang or mugged on post after dark as you were in the worst inner city in America. I remember how glad I was to leave Fort Dix and go where I had a loaded weapon. William Ayers and his Weather Underground could have had a bad outcome on Fort Dix after dark, with or without pipe bombs. Scary dudes, those grunts just back from the jungles.

Sep 28, 2008 - 11:10 am 40. Christine:

wowsers, another flock of religious redneck Republicans. You guys, you guys, you guys. There is not one article in here that does not contain a flock of your redundant talking points in here.

Sep 28, 2008 - 11:37 am 41. risbergs:

We should all thank Jeff for the inevitable landslide on November 4th.

What better motivation could we ask for - to blog now; vote then.
We all know a “Jeff” don’t we?
Whether he is a paid “volunteer” for Senator Obama,
Or a passionate dedicated liberal who just wants to argue with conservatives.
Someone who just “won’t shut up” because - well, Jeff has to be Jeff.

Thanks Jeff.

You probably, excuse me, definitely, won’t find the following funny.
After all, you *are* Jeff.
Maybe that’s why others enjoy laughing at you.
Please remember that laughter is the best medicine, particularly in politics.
And the loudest - and healthiest laughter will be on November 5th.

First, the DNC War Room…
Then, Palin-eMail-Gate…
Now, “I’ve got a bracelet too…”

Soon, the grim Electoral aftermath.

Do you know what happens on November 5th?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyhmdhZZHHE

Warning! Uncensored, un-bowdlerized - with language torn from the pages of the Daily Kos and Pamela Anderson’s Mensa International application.
NOW! With Bonus 2008 Electoral College Projection.
(Shocking Nostradamus prediction starts at 4:07)
Extra BONUS! George Santayana summarizes Senator Obama’s dilemma.

Do German words matter?

A secret meeting in Berlin.
The crowds are gone.
Only trusted party officials remain.
The imminent sense of defeat
rattles even the most battle hardened loyalists.
It all seemed so close,
so easy,
victory in sight.

What happened?

Sep 28, 2008 - 11:55 am 42. Ditto:

Seems the NY Times also demonstrates that Obama’s word cannot be trusted:

http://thepage.time.com/more-from-the-new-york-times-story-on-misleading-obama-ads/

Yet he wants to silence his critics. I wonder why. Food for some critical thought, wouldn’t you say, Jeff? Christine? That’s your party’s “fair and impartial” newspaper, right?

Sep 28, 2008 - 12:15 pm 43. Nostradamus:

I cannot understand why a 527 group funded with millions of $$$ has not pounded this issue all over the airwaves non-stop. The election would be a manadate for McCain if one did.

Sep 28, 2008 - 12:17 pm 44. Jeff Weimer:

Jeff,

From the Wikipedia article you referenced:

The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[37][36] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[7] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[39] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: “The appearance of it was wrong. It’s a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do.”[7]

Christine, come up with an actual argument. Calling us rednecks doesn’t quite cut it.

Sep 28, 2008 - 12:18 pm 45. Jeff:

Risbergs,

Were you the one with that mini mustache in that video? I thought that was you.

Sep 28, 2008 - 12:20 pm 46. narciso:

It does turn out that Ayers was saved by his girl friend’ Diana (Boyce) Oughton from a fate much like that of the SLA in Los Angeles.

Sep 28, 2008 - 12:51 pm 47. Christine:

Oh Jeff Weimer,

Did I hit a nerve with my first redneck? Would it hit another nerve knowing that the majority of Americans outside of this redneck forum is not for McBush? I just want to say to the wrinkly old dude, thanks but no thanks cause I’m hot. I also want to say to that gun-totting, book burning, moose shooting, radical religious Cinderella, thanks but absolutely no thanks.

Sep 28, 2008 - 12:57 pm 48. trangbang68:

Ayers not only is not repentant for his actions, but I daresay he probably delights in it. In the intellectually stunted morass of academia, it gives him legendary status . He’s a genuine Movement Heavy. Co-eds are dazzled by these guys. In the sixties mindset he and Dohrn fostered, she might even let him get a little on the side. These guys are genuinely bad actors. Obama is at least a fellow traveler. His associations matter.
Jeff, your previously stated desire to enlighten the rubes isn’t working.

Sep 28, 2008 - 1:53 pm 49. Jeff Weimer:

Christine,

Hit a nerve? Ummmm, no. I was just pointing out your lack of argument. And I daresay the polls don’t quite bear you out as to that majority thing. Now that you’ve ventured into the rightosphere, have a look around, use that famously open mind I’m sure you claim to have. You might find some things that surprise you and get the correct information concerning the blatant falsehoods you seem to have taken onboard.

Sep 28, 2008 - 2:29 pm 50. Ed Wallis:

“Christine” 12:57pm - “I just want to say to the wrinkly old dude, thanks but no thanks cause I’m hot.“

I am SURE you believe this! That is why I suggest you go where the political, social and cultural system already better matches your beliefs/wishes…and, on top of that, Putin is pretty buff, dudette!

“Hitting a nerve” and “redneck” is your way of a comeback, an academic retort?! YAH. Uh huh. REEEEEAAAALLLLL smart, “sweetie.”

Sep 28, 2008 - 2:31 pm 51. Jeff Weimer:

Question for our left-of-center fellows here - is this part of that “get in their faces” thing Obama was talking about?

‘Cause it ain’t working.

Sep 28, 2008 - 2:31 pm 52. Believer:

Don’t miss James Simpson’s article at AmericanThinker.

“geokstr” has the link at 10:41AM. He’s right — no one’s done it better. It’s all laid out. The whole ugly thing.

Sep 28, 2008 - 3:14 pm 53. fred:

People like “Jeff” put up arguments that are meant to distract from the real issue at hand: that Obama and his handlers have skillfully enlisted the mainstream media to hide his true policy thinking and ideological templates. “Jeff” condemns our desire to know the truth about Obama as being motivated by “racism.” Folks, people like “Jeff” are not ignorant of the things about Obama we’ve discovered. He know what they are. He approves of Obama’s loyalties to Marxism. They match exactly his own. “Jeff” does not need to be educated about these things, and attempts to do so presume, incorrectly, that he is a babe in the woods. He is not.

I’m a former member of the Left (left the Left back in ‘87). A bookish member, not an activist one, but I still got to know the activist Marxists quite well (they didn’t approve of me). I know how they operate and “Jeff” is a classic footsoldier from their ranks. Don’t be idiots and be fooled by him. He’s one of the true believers who is on assignment to find cracks in our armor. There are none in mine. I know these people like the back of my hand.

Sep 28, 2008 - 4:27 pm 54. fred:

trangbang68,

Per your above comments about William Ayers, I read a story on frontpagemag.com last month about a woman, now living in Israel, who was a young coed at the University of Michigan back in 1965. She says William Ayers brutally date raped her after she was forced to have sex with Ayers’ room mate. In fact, he even forced her to have sex with his brother, and Ayers’ brother told the girl he could not go through with it, that it disgusted him what his brother was doing.

Guys who do this tend to be serial rapists. I think Ayers did a lot of this with the adoring coeds all throughout his career. These guys are not hard to figure out, once you see through their charm and their bluster. They are bullies and are the kind of people who find their way to the top of totalitarian organizations.

Anyone who associates with people like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn is morally and intellectually defective.

I am so glad I left the Left back in ‘87. And after the Left sided with the terrorists I KNEW I had done the right thing and completely burned my bridges.

Obama is a Manchurian Candidate. Bet the farm on it.

Sep 28, 2008 - 4:35 pm 55. glc:

This Jeff person must be on drugs.

Or be a moral relativist.

Or be an Obama supporter.

Unfortunately, these kind of people walk the earth.

I’m really sick of it.

Would anyone on this internet discussion befriend a known terrorist? An admitted terrorist? Someone who has remained unapologetic for his terrorist acts against this country? I don’t think so.

I’ve always believed that if a person does not like this country, then they can move elsewhere.

More folks need to learn just who Obama is, who his friends are, and where he’s from. I’ve read two of his books, and two books written about him. It’s not good folks. Not good at all.

Sep 28, 2008 - 5:00 pm 56. Steynian 257 « Free Mark Steyn!:

[...] OBAMA’S BUDDIES– The Ayers-Weatherman Terrorist Attack as It Might Have Happened …. [...]

Sep 28, 2008 - 5:03 pm 57. geokstr:

Christine:

At least here on the right, we are not only willing to put up with, but also to engage with the leftists who wish to post here.

My membership has been revoked at the DU, KOS and HuffPo for having the temerity to make posts that are a hell of a lot more civil than what your team posts here. I’m crushed.

So much for who is the tolerant party here. The reason we are not allowed to go there is because indoctrination will not work as effectively if the target is exposed to contrary thoughts and cognitive dissonance is allowed to set in.

Sep 28, 2008 - 5:10 pm 58. mishu:

Why Ayers and Dorhn are still sucking oxygen is beyond me. Apparently, the Christines of the world think he’s hot.

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:32 pm 59. Dave II:

Just a quick shoutout to Bob Owens for a GREAT ARTICLE! Should be read by every voter out there!

As for the “Jeffs” of the world (not you Weimer!), they will get their reality check on November 4th.

America just doesn’t elect FAR-LEFT Senators who happen to associate with convicted felons, unrepentant known terrorists, and lunatic, racist pastors.

It just doesn’t happen!..and it won’t happen now just because this one happens to be black.

And that last statement is NOT racist…but it IS a reflection of WHY he is given a pass by the media on all this, and by a huge element of the voting public who see him as the “answer” to the “problem” of “white” sins of the past…

And THAT is racist!

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:35 pm 60. Kat:

I welcome other people’s points of views. It helps me to understand myself and my neighbors. What I don’t understand, is why when Obama is questioned about people, places and things we are told that it’s irrelevant. That, the bad guys aren’t bad guys anymore. If McCain was hanging with the same type of characters he would be out of this race. It would be all over the news. It is intolerable that someone with a background & chums like Barack Hussein Obama could be our next commander

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:40 pm 61. OneMonkeysUncle:

“I cannot understand why a 527 group funded with millions of $$$ has not pounded this issue all over the airwaves non-stop. The election would be a manadate for McCain if one did.”

Oh hot jumpin jeebus on a stick, what is WRONG with you people? This Ayers thing is the “Gertrude Stein’s Oakland” of this election - “There’s no THERE there!”

If there WERE anything to it, some 527 with millions of $$$ WOULD have been all over the airwaves with it, and long before now. Except for the mouthbreathers out here on the Far Right Side of Wingnutistan, no one believes, cares or even THINKS about this loser of a story. You can go on thinking it’s because the media’s carrying water for Obama or you can pull your heads out of your collective cracks and kiss this one GOODBYE.

Sep 28, 2008 - 6:48 pm 62. Rightie Bloggers Get Caught In Another Lie « his vorpal sword:

[...] Bob, the Confederate Wanker, who’s come up with a new desperate peyote hallucination: “The Ayers-Weatherman Terrorist Attack as It Might Have Happened” complete with “MeeToos” from the hebephrenic “Jawa Report”Vinnie / [...]

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:19 pm 63. fred:

OneMonkeysUncle,

I can assure you that William Ayers was in charge of the Weather Underground terrorist organization. They were a Communist group founded in the late Sixties who did indeed commit murder through the bombings and bank robberies. Only an idiot or one deliberately trying to kick sand in people’s eyes would post your drivelous denial that this story is true.

Folks, these are the kind of people who are seizing control of our polity in these dangerous times. If it doesn’t scare you to death, then we deserve the butcher’s bill Iran and the jihadists are going to serve us.

They’ll be the Devil to pay, and the American people will deserve the grief it brings to the world because the people engaged in scandalous and irresponsible denial of these threats.

If you want a Communist running the country, then by all means vote for Obama. He has a certain mob appeal, because instead of being a guardian of freedom he promises bread and circuses to the mob. The mob wants cradle to grave security from the State, not liberty.

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:47 pm 64. Meg:

I talked to an Obama supporter recently, and she told me Obama only talked to Ayers for 10 minutes in his whole life.

I am not kidding. That is what she said.

Keep spreading the word.

Sep 28, 2008 - 7:53 pm 65. geokstr:

Onemonkeysuncle:

There’s plenty of there there. But I wouldn’t doubt if all this is because those on our side have been so intimidated by the charge of racism that we’re paralyzed. If your little tin god had been white, he would have been tossed from this race shortly after he declared for it.

I’m hoping that in the next 6 weeks someone on our side gets the gonads to start broadcasting this. But remember, Obama has been hiding his true relationship with Ayers for a long time now, and we were just able to force access to the records two weeks ago.

And if we come up with an October surprise, I’ll bet it won’t be with fake documents like the Rather team did for your surprise last time.

By the way, has Soros sent you your brown uniform shirt yet.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:06 pm 66. seguin:

“Our history, since the discovery of America by Columbus in 1492, up until the present day, has not been the best history in the world.”

Name me one better.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:08 pm 67. Dave:

Christine Darlink: As a founding member of RSR
(Rednecks for Social Responsibility, thePALEOneoconconspiracydotcom) I am simply dying to meet you.

You see, we have been having this most unfortunate shortage of qualified candidates
for the Seat of Honor at our annual Dunking Stool Festival. You seem so perfect for the position. You are already all wet.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:13 pm 68. Overnight Open Thread : NO QUARTER:

[...] The Ayers-Weatherman Terrorist Attack as It Might Have Happened [...]

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:35 pm 69. Christine:

After reading most of the posts here, I must say that all of you seem to find the “need” to criticize or condemn the “Jeffs” of this world who don’t seem to agree with your radical Republican views. Guess what people? We don’t need your ideals to be imposed on the rest of us. Most of us on the Left just want to live our private lives without the intrusion of your religious ideals upon us. Although we believe in the same faith, we don’t need your imposition or be reminded of how mightier you portray yourselves to be. Having the right of every individual to do what he or she choose to be fit is what America stands for.

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:42 pm 70. Tim:

I can’t help to notice that “Jeff” seems very concerned. He is also obviously a life-long white person. My guess is that he is sitting in the cubicle next to “Christine The Concerned Liberal Christian.”

Sep 28, 2008 - 8:58 pm 71. mishu:

Ya right Christine. Tell that Milt Rosenberg. He tried to have a radio show where a guest was critical to the One! and Obama’s goon squad tried to shut him down by jamming his phone lines. Or in Missouri where the AIP tried to run an ad on TV criticizing the One! and the goon squads tried to prosecute the TV stations! Your little, skinny, big eared candidate is nothing but a cry baby fascist who insists we all just worship him.

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:11 pm 72. ic:

geokstr:
October surprise: the Troopergate Commission will issue a report on Oct. 31 condemning Palin for illegally firing the Troopergate Commissioner. On Nov. 5, the Commission will issue an apology that they were misled by an over zealous investigator. Palin will be ruined.

Whatever you say about Ayers-Obama connections will not be investigated by reporters until after Nov.4, and the report will be white washed.

Want to bet?

It’s time like this, even a non-believer like me has to pray for America, and wonder if this is the end of the line.

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:18 pm 73. Wil:

Christine

Oh please , spare me of your self righteousness . I have seen your kind before , spouting off the same BS that you are posting now . Your kind had no problem trying to spread your ideology to us , but it seems that when we do the same to you , you folks whine like a baby by accusing us of suppressing your right to free speech . You see Christine , unlike you , I came from a country that experienced a rule under a corrupt dictatorship . If you criticized his government , you might find yourself either in Fort Santiago or worse , a salvage victim whose body was thrown like a piece of trash into the Pasig River . I have seen people similar to Pelosi , Barney Franks and Harry Reid that robbed the country blind and blaming it conveniently to the kano ( Americans ) . I have seen people like you Christine , the white know it all agitator that indoctrinates idealistic Filipinos and then run away back to the US when things go wrong and leaving the poor bastards behind to their fate .

For your info , there are a lot of republicans who are atheists , who are gay and lesbians and most of all are not white . The vast majority of us can think for ourselves and we don’t agree with the Republican party most of the time especially when they happen to forget what the Republican party stands for which is small government , secured borders , strong military and low taxes and oh yeah , to be a party that represents the electorate rather than the party itself .

Christine , do you know why the Religious Right came to be , they happened because you and your ilk came after them first . Maybe if your gurus minded their own business during the seventies , eighties and nineties , the Religious Right would not never came to be .

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:24 pm 74. John:

Christine:

But you are fully prepared to let Obama lead your life down the path of Marxism. You are fully prepared to let Obama make your healthcare decisions for you. You are fully prepared to have Obama decide which opinions are allowed and which are not. Be careful with the last one dear, like Pastor Niemöller said, “… then they came for the Jews but I didn’t speak up because I was not a Jew … and then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up.” You may well find yourself on the wrong end of the argument.

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:33 pm 75. Wil:

Jeff
Read Howard Zinn too much and other anti- American historians, I see . Hate to tell you this , almost every country’s history in the planet earth is not the best in the world . Can you tell me one country who have a perfect history and I will tell you how much a liar you really are .

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:34 pm 76. rrr:

Christine,

Oh good grief. Disagreeing is “imposing.” Call the Truth Squads. They’ll put us in jail for you.

At least you feel good about yourself after all that. I suppose that’s something.

Sep 28, 2008 - 9:39 pm 77. Batman:

J-e-f-f,

My problem with Obama is he is not honest and he is a traitor because he supports and defends a man who is an unrepentant traitor who still holds traitorous feelings towards the USA. A prospective candidate for the office of the President does not hold those associations. If he does he should not be voted for and the peopel have the right to run him out of town OR out of the country, on a rail. All media outlets should be used to silence his message as well as expose him for the weasel he really is. Between the two guys from Fainee & Freddie, who both stole from the Amercian taxpayer 100s of millions of dollars, to the Weatherman connection, I simply do not trust Obama to be a patriotic American. I believe that anarchists & domestic terrorrists would see Obama’s election into the Presidency as a signal to cause destruction and chaos because the freind of one of their own, is now is the White House. I believe that Obama would also greatly curtail free speech towards those who do not agree with him, as he and the DNC are doing thru-out the country in support of his campaign. I believe that groups like ACORN, of which Obama was an advisor and instructor, would then be given a free reign to commit election fraud each and every year, and the Justice Dept would look the other way. I believe that Obama would also take from the middle and upper class and re-distribute wealth much like a communist or socialist dictator. Frankly, I believe that Obama would create a very large version of Venezuala, right here in the good ol US of A. I believe that Obama is a crook, traitor and communist, as well as sympathetic to radical fascist islamic terrorists & their philosophy.

Remember sport to exhale the next time. It hurts less.

Later alligator.
Batman

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:01 pm 78. wilky:

Most of us on the Left just want to live our private lives without the intrusion of your religious ideals upon us - Christine

As I do Christine. I also don’t want your reverence and faith in government to fall over into my everyday life by pasing laws that protect me from myself.

I personally find most of the lefts “ideals” wrong. Most of them are really rationalizations, which is another word for justification which most of the time means you screwed up but don’t want to take responsibilty for it. So if I could just live my private life without the intrusion of your ideals upon me, I’d be mighty appreciative.

BTW, haven’t stepped inside a church since the day I move out of my parents house 35 years ago, so please quit rationalizing that its our religious ideals that we are trying to impose upon you. I just think your side is wrong on so many issues.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:06 pm 79. apb:

Sorry, Christine -

Don’t try to push your inadequacies off on the rest of us. Since you’re simple of mind, I will be forced to remind you of a few of the real figures and ideals that imposed their will on others:

Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, Hitler, Mao, Jong-Il, Castro, Guevara, Chavez - all socialists, and deaths of their victims number in the tens (if not hundreds) of millions.

Good socialists, all - that just KNOW how humanity *SHOULD* be.

Just like terrorist Ayers KNEW how evil the American people are - that puts him in line to be Obama’s terrorist muscle (a la Guevara).

The real trouble with lefties is their combined stupidity - their level of belief in things patently false make them the true rubes of the country; based on their numbers, there’s a true danger of this country electing a perpetual, currupt, ruling class that the simps on the left ‘believe’ are ruling ‘fairly.’ Gah! Already exists here in Obamastan.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:09 pm 80. Christine:

Tim and Mishu,

All I’m reading is blah blah blah *yawn* blah. You guys have your right to support the wrinkly old dude and his Ciderella, but we have our right to support “The One” yes, that does sound pretty good, actually. Thanks for the label, guys. I do like the way that sounds. How does this sound? There could be only “One”.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:21 pm 81. frege:

Exactly right. As someone noted before: if McCain had so much has had a photo taken with Rudolph at a fund-raising event, we would never hear the end of it. A similar double standard is being applied with Rezko.

They will have to report on the inevitable ads. And if their entire defense of their man is that these are smears by McCain they will lose I think. People understand the idea that Obama is being protected the media; it was one of SNL’s bigger laughs of the season when they did the bit where the moderators ask if Obama needs a pillow. Now that people have seen the way the media tore at Gov. Palin, I think it will be hard to sell an ad about this as dirty pool. And it will be impossible to claim these ads are false if all they do is state the facts about how tight the political relationship between Ayers and Obama was.

The media has been papering over Obama’s flaws, but they are merely postponing the inevitable. The end is near Obamanauts.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:22 pm 82. Rico:

Obama understands terrorism - today?

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:36 pm 83. Imagine If John McCain Was Friends With Former Terrorist Timothy McVeigh « Blog Entry « Dr. Melissa Clouthier:

[...] is the sort of friend Barack Obama has in Bill Ayers: Any plausible link between a Republican presidential candidate and someone like Eric Robert [...]

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:50 pm 84. bc:

It started with Brown University. Who at Brown decided to Fund CAC? What was their connection to Ayers? Get the story out about the role played by Brown as a repository of Leftist foment. How did Ayers identify Obama as his tool? When did they first meet? How did Obama gain admittance to Harvard? Was his selection as editor of the law review merited? Where is Ayers now. How is he connected to Acorn? We need to assemble this information in one place and then disseminate it. It’s almost too late.

Sep 28, 2008 - 10:56 pm 85. schnargley:

Rico is right. We need Obama now because he understands terrorists personally- how they think, their inner motivations, their psyche, their ideology, why they hate America and Americans. And they dare say he has no experience?

Who could be better suited than Obama to sit down and negotiate with them so we can get back to an America with government jobs, free education, free health care, and a world where they love us instead of hate us?

Sep 28, 2008 - 11:28 pm 86. Susan:

Normally, I would dismiss all this as a smear campaign due to Obama’s leading in the polls. But, then again, the MSM completely ignored THIS, that Obama included in his lies that he “didn’t know what his preacher was saying for twenty years [my paraphrase]“:

http://www.bizzyblog.com/wp-images/TUCChamasColumn072207.jpg

Sep 29, 2008 - 12:13 am 87. Obama stifles dissent | novatownhall blog:

[...] Speaking of thuggery - some background on one of Obama’s mentors, ignored by the mainstream [...]

Sep 29, 2008 - 12:13 am 88. Dan Tana:

Being that the MSM is completely disinterested in Obamas past (unlike the gynocological exam Palin is getting from them) the McCain camp is obligated to air as much dirty laundry as it can.

They ow it to the American people to lay it out there and let the voters decide if any of it makes a difference to them.

What is galling is the length to which the Obama camp is going to sweep it all away or hide it.

If liberals and leftist would embrace and champion there core beliefs maybe the voters
could actually make an informed choice.

Sep 29, 2008 - 12:56 am 89. Christine:

Oh for God’s sake, I look at all of you just going on and on with your idiotic talking points about Obama’s connection to Ayers. Does anyone of you know that one of our very own Forefathers, Thomas Jefferson, our third President and who wrote the Declaration of Independence, had 200 slaves? Take a good look, hypocrites:

http://www.monticello.org/jefferson/biography.html

Sep 29, 2008 - 2:24 am 90. RF:

If you ask for Dhimmitude, you just might get it.
“Late Friday night, the north London home/office of Martin Rynja, publisher of the independent UK press Gibson Square, was firebombed in what is being treated as a terrorist attack,”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3097350/Radical-Islamic-clerics-warn-of-further-attacks-after-publisher-is-firebombed.html

Sep 29, 2008 - 2:38 am 91. SnarkyBytes » Your Friendly Neighborhood Terrorist:

[...] his long relationship with American Terrorist, Bill Ayers Any plausible link between a Republican presidential candidate and someone like Eric Robert Rudolph [...]

Sep 29, 2008 - 3:05 am 92. Evil Otto:

So Obama has no connections to Ayers, Christine? Is that what you are saying? And what the hell does the fact that Jefferson owned slaves have ANYTHING to do with what is being discussed?

Sep 29, 2008 - 3:24 am 93. Ed Wallis:

DEAR CONSIDERATE POSTERS:

LET’S PLAY A GAME. It’s called I G N O R E - T H E - T R O L L S.

“Jeff” - NO RESPONSE
“Christine” - NO RESPONSE
“schnargley” - NO RESPNSE
“realitycheq” - NO RESPONSE

FEEL FREE TO ADD TO THIS LIST.

You will note, if you peruse this and a few other recent threads, that these and a few other cohorts have successfully diverted the discussion away from the topic at hand…and not in any way that could vaguely be described as “supplementing” the issue.

IF PJM WON’T DO IT, we can.

Sep 29, 2008 - 3:47 am 94. el gordo:

Notice how Jeff or Christine do not actually engage in any debate. They drop off some opinions, then when we try to arguet with them, they switch subjects and drop off some more. It doesn´t really matter what any of us say.

Classic drive-by technique, although as employed by this suspiciously similar sounding pair it almost reaches the level of parody. If I didn´t know better I´d ask: is that you, Jim Treacher?

Soon a computer program fed with Obama talking points will be able to keep a thread going all night.

Sep 29, 2008 - 4:00 am 95. Sioux Lady:

Jeff, How about if a “Brown Woman” - some of whose ancestors were here in 1492 - tells you that raising the racist banner in defense of Obama is just so much ptebloka chesli (BS - a little Lakota/Sioux lingo here as a bona fide). Most of the people on my reservation, including my nephews, are as enthralled with Obama as you are. They hate America, too.

Christine, like “ic” I am an atheist and feel a lot more threatened by Obama and his ilk than I do the religious right. Thomas Jefferson is not your forefather, Karl Marx is. If you would read further into the history of slavery you would find that the origin of many of the slaves Jefferson owned can be found in the sale of one black African tribe of another tribe’s people to European white slavers. If you read up on current affairs in Africa, you’d find that it is one of the few places in the world where slavery still exists.

If you believed anything in anything but Obama and the MSM, you’d learn that the man who wants to take my tax dollar and give it to Africans, Muslims and other black/brown people the world over (and all my brown brothers here on the Res) has a half-brother living in a hut in Kenya on $12.00 a year. Like you, his charity begins not at home, but with my tax dollar.

Sep 29, 2008 - 4:09 am 96. Evil Otto:

el gordo:

There’s really not much difference between computer programs and Jeff and Christine… one of the things I’ve noticed about leftists is that ideologically, they’re clones. It’s like they’re grown in vats and programmed with the same goodthink, then unleashed upon the world. The only difference between what’s currently happening and what you’re saying is the hardware running the program.

Sep 29, 2008 - 4:14 am 97. Gus:

William Ayers background is one of privilege. His father was Thomas G. Ayers who was prominent member of the Chicago political establishment including a relationship with Mayor Richard J. Daley. Thomas Ayers was also the CEO of Commonwealth Edison for 7 years and was a board member of many top companies including Chicago Tribune, Zenith Corporation, and others.

This is not a commendation of Thomas Ayers however such a position in society buys power. Especially during the time of the senior Ayer’s reign even up to the eventual surrender of his son, William Ayers whose charges were eventually dropped due to a technicality. Indeed, one has to wonder what role the senior Ayer’s played in his sons defense.

“Guilty as sin, free as a bird.” Had these charges not been dropped there is no doubt that William Ayers would have been found guilty and served time in a Federal penitentiary. Had William Ayers not been from a privileged family he would have faced a far different fate in the judicial system that ordinary people face daily without benefit of a father such as Thomas G. Ayers and the underlying Chicago political machine.

Sep 29, 2008 - 4:23 am 98. Right Angles » Blog Archive » MSM: Bill Ayers? Who’s Bill Ayers?:

[...] Bob Owens points out the mainstream media malfeasance on Barack Obama’s connections to mad bomber Bill Ayers, who jump-started Obama’s political career: Any plausible link between a Republican presidential candidate and someone like Eric Robert Rudolph or Timothy McViegh would unleash a torrent of feverish reporting from the mainstream media, detailing every nuance and every possible shadowy link between them. [...]

Sep 29, 2008 - 5:04 am 99. Allie:

The NYTimes doesn’t have to send an intern down the hall to dig up the treasure trove of info from past articles. You can do it yourself very easily.

Log into your public library online services. Chances are they have full text databases like Proquest where you can pull up that treasure trove of NYT articles about Bill Ayers and his twisted friends. Reading about the Greenwich village bomb blast is appalling, but but what’s fascinating is to read up on the “career” of Kathy Boudin, her dad (”commie attorney to the stars”), and the rest of the WU entourage over the years. The timeline of articles paints a different picture: these radicals have never repented or changed their way of thinking one bit. And they’ve had wealthy & influential connections that have helped them to hide, to soften the blow of the law and to develop PR to convince the public these would-be killers are simply serious, good people at heart. Leonard Boudin, Castro’s lawyer, is a key figure.

Sep 29, 2008 - 6:15 am 100. el gordo:

Sioux Lady, you´re the bees knees.

Sep 29, 2008 - 6:18 am 101. betheweb:

You mean, mean people. You seem to have driven poor Jeffy away with relentless truth telling about The One so sock puppetette Christine steps up to remind us that Thomas Jefferson kept slaves therefore we have to vote for The One.

Folks, as you know, these trolls are as dumb and relentless and dangerous as termites.

Sep 29, 2008 - 6:41 am 102. Associated Press:

Hey, who are you to tell us our business? Nobody wants to read about terrorist plots and radical activists. Did you know that Sarah Palin once received a free facial? Now that’s news.

Sep 29, 2008 - 7:22 am 103. DanG:

Christine, does your mommy know you’re using her computer? You better make sure you have permission before you go to the grown-up sites on the internet. Then maybe you could do a search on Google for “clue.”

Sep 29, 2008 - 7:35 am 104. Dave:

Hi wil,

You gotta understand what ails Christine: Her 3000 pairs of shoes are pinching her feet thereby shutting off the oxygen to her brain.

Sep 29, 2008 - 7:51 am 105. johnnied:

Lots of facts, sources, articles and documentation on the Weather Underground activities here:

http://www.americanissuesproject.org/fact-sheets/

Click the first PDF on the documentation report.

Sep 29, 2008 - 7:59 am 106. njoriole:

For chrissakes Jeff, how many straw men can you construct off one link? Why the constant white self-hate? And what, exactly does that have to do with how we should be judging the associations and judgements of a man who, quite likely, could become our next President? The fact is that the great majority of Americans (even those who consider themselves “Progressive” and liberal in the classic sense of the word) would be - quite correctly - scared to death of an unreconstructed socialist becoming our Chief Executive and Commander in Chief. All the rest of your nonsense is just intended to obfuscate that very point. The problem is that enough Americans still get their information from the in-the-tank MSM, so they may just pull that rotting carcass across the finish line.

Sep 29, 2008 - 8:29 am 107. Rubicon:

The long history of Obama’s leftist mentors, connections, & associations, plus his “community organizer training” point to a man deeply committed to leftist causes.
Obama calls America a great nation, “so elect me so we can fix it!”
There is more to that thought once one truly considers what he means!
Our current financial crisis began with the passage of the Community Reinvestment Act, designed to give mortgages to less than qualified borrowers. Eventually, those who cannot manage credit default & now the rest of the nation is supposed to foot the bill? Yes Wall Street & banking has some responsibility in this, BUT, no loans would have been made if the CRA had not demanded they be made AND under penalty of law, accusations of racism, etc., if a bank failed to make enough loans!
This is the type of logic Obama spreads among us & that logic leads to financial crisis.
No thanks! McCain may not be the conservative I would prefer, but he is light years ahead of Obama simply on the “love of country” issue alone! Obama wants to “fix” us. Of course all according to “HIS” opinion. To those who disagree, just as those who have been trying to report on his dirty deals, he will send out his minions to silence. His campaign will even raise the specter of filing lawsuits. Not because the message is untrue, but because he wants to claim air time was not equal. Equal time does not discount the fact that he has connections & proponents whose intentions would be disastrous for this nation.
You can claim this is a black white issue all you want. It is not. There are plenty of blacks I could easily vote for. They just are not leftist agitators whose credentials include mentoring & community activist actions with unrepentant terrorists.

Sep 29, 2008 - 10:06 am 108. nlcatter:

and Mccains friends (racists) blew up 4 little girls in Birmingham.

Sep 29, 2008 - 10:30 am 109. el gordo:

nlcatter - I guess astroturf HQ ran out of disabled veteran jokes?

Sep 29, 2008 - 10:39 am 110. Michael:

I agree with Jeff that we must have some solid evidences before we make these kinds of accusations. If people really think about it, none of the MSM, newspapers, tabloids, or any other news related agencies are broadcasting this. Although I am a Republican and I do think that the Presidential nominee must be looked at thoroughly, if no news agencies of any sort are broadcasting this, it only means that there is no evidence of any bad conduct on Mr. Obama’s part.

Sep 29, 2008 - 10:45 am 111. Allie:

“and Mccains friends (racists) blew up 4 little girls in Birmingham”

Betcha those bombers were George Wallace Democrats.

Sep 29, 2008 - 10:58 am 112. nick:

attack the messenger because you have not
retort to the message

white guy who suppors mccain (against a black, UDH!) killed 4 girls
==
mccains friend bombed 4 girls.

Sep 29, 2008 - 1:46 pm 113. Jeff Weimer:

Christine:

We’re not trying to impose our views on you, get over it. We’re:

1) refuting your allegations, red herrings, and ad hominem attacks

2) presenting our argument with facts and reasoned opinion

3) inviting you to open yourselves to opinion and facts that may not fit your pre-conceived views

I know name calling, tu quoque, and red herrings are what pass for pithy, incisive debate at dKos, DU, and Huffpo, but we have a higher standard here. Bringing Jefferson’s slave’s into the argument (he WAS a Democrat you know) doesn’t do anything to refute or render our arguments powerless. I’m waiting for an actual argument - with facts - that would mitigate my opinion of Obama based upon his association with Ayers. If you can’t bring it, then stop. You see, I want ALL the information I can get so I can make a reasoned decision. If you can give it to me, I might just.

Sep 29, 2008 - 2:41 pm 114. Jeff Weimer:

Michael, see my first post. We’re not accusing Obama of wrongdoing per se. We ARE questioning his long involvement with an unrepentant terrorist who is on the record as being unrepentant now. What little information out there points to a closer involvement than is being reported. Ayers, an ideologue, is not the kind of person who would politically endorse (with his announcement party) someone who politically disagreed with him. If Obama doesn’t disagree with Ayers’ “small c” communism, then should he be president?

Sep 29, 2008 - 2:50 pm 115. Jeff Weimer:

Oh and Christine:

I almost forgot about your Palin cracks. She has never burned books, nor banned them. She inquired as to how (as a matter of policy) when she was still Mayor-elect - she got told no way no how and never brought it up again. If you were willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, you would have found that out already.

Question to you: If Palin’s (previously) Pentecostal faith (I’m related to Pentecostals so I know and I’ve set them straight about my Catholic faith) is so radical as you called it, what is your opinion of rev. Wright and his “Chickens coming home to roost” and “God Damn America” black liberation theology? Is that not “radical?”

Sep 29, 2008 - 3:03 pm 116. Always Fort Dix | Neptunus Lex:

[...] old Fort Dix. Every generation or so, some gang of happy idiots blunders in with delusions of infernal grandeur: A careless movement, inadvertent twitch, poor [...]

Sep 29, 2008 - 3:27 pm 117. Believer:

Ed Wallis’ link — he’s the first commenter on this thread — is a MUST READ.

No American voter should head for the polls without having read it.

And two people mentioned in the article — Guiliani and Horowitz — should together address us all to share the truth of what’s been going on the past few decades.

It’s an outrage that out of political correctness or some sort of ‘courtesy’ we fail to confront evil squarely. I don’t care who’s wearing the cloak, expose them.

Sep 29, 2008 - 3:42 pm 118. nick:

Obama disowned the Rev wright remarks

Palin embraces her pastors remarks.

DUH!!

Sep 29, 2008 - 4:13 pm 119. “Just some guy in the neighborhood” who almost blew up the Fort Dix NCO Club. « Lookin’ Fer Learnin’:

[...] Bob Owens at Pajamas Media [...]

Sep 29, 2008 - 5:05 pm 120. Ed Wallis:

THIRD ATTEMPT TO POST:

ONE of 3 good links:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/06/obama-ayers-connection-big-lie.html

Sep 29, 2008 - 5:21 pm 121. Ed Wallis:

THIRD ATTEMPT:

2nd link for more info:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/news/politics/docs_detail_barack_ties_to_radical_131209.htm

Sep 29, 2008 - 5:22 pm 122. Ed Wallis:

THIRD ATTEMPT TO POST

2nd of 3 links to add’l info:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0

Sep 29, 2008 - 5:23 pm 123. Ed Wallis:

3rd of 3:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/os_dangerous_pals_131216.htm?page=0

Sep 29, 2008 - 5:23 pm 124. Tennwriter:

Don’t play Charlie Brown to a lefty Lucy. I remember back in oh 2003, or so, that they kept saying ‘well GWB needs to convince me that war is a good idea, and he hasn’t, but nice try.’

Were they really open to being convinced?

Are our Lucies really open to being convinced, or are they playing on guys’ egos to get them to waste time, energy, and artillery on an empty hill?

Sep 29, 2008 - 6:35 pm 125. jimbo:

You forget, the editors and publishers of the main stream press today as well as the professors of journalism are the people who cheered on those same radicals when they were students. These editors and publishers will stand by silently and cheer every move by Obama if he is elected no matter what he does. Be very afraid.

Sep 29, 2008 - 6:53 pm 126. Christine:

Ahh, Ed the redneck troll is hard at work. Keep hope alive, huh Ed?

Sep 29, 2008 - 7:13 pm 127. Christine:

Hey Ed,

The Aryan Nation needs you back for awhile so hurry back to tend to your duty.

Sep 29, 2008 - 7:43 pm 128. Jeff:

People, here are the facts about Barack Obama and William Ayers—

1) When William Ayers was a radical leftist who co-founded the Weatherman, committed heinous terrorist acts against the United States Capitol building and the Pentagon, his radical history was between 1968-1972. Here is his life story in Wikipedia below —

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

2) Between 1968-1972, Barack Obama was between ages 7-11 years old and did NOT know William Ayers. He was TOO YOUNG. Here is his life story in Wikipedia below —

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

3) Obama did not meet Ayers until 1995, 23 years after Ayers radical history. Obama was introduced to Ayers by Illinois State Senator Alice Palmer, as her chosen successor since she is stepping down from the Illinois state senate and running for Congress. Here is the story of the meeting in the link below —

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html

In closing, all these propagandas are false. Obama did not meet Ayers until 1995, as they ALL want to make people believe. Please do your own research before believing these propagandas. Obama’s proposal of “Change” for the better is a HUGE threat to some people. They are incapable of “Change” or even the slightest chance of accepting it. So here is my wisdom for everyone –

***Conservatism is the tired old need to hang on to the past while liberalism is a need for change for a brighter future.***

As I had stated previously, if Obama had even the slightest chance of establishing a bad alliance with Ayers, with any bad intentions or motives toward America, the Feds would be on to him quicker than anyone could blink an eye, less allowed him to even run for the Presidency. Why has the Feds not looked into any of this? The answer is that there is no evidence of any wrongdoing. You cannot persecute someone merely by association. Should we condemn and persecute all the family members of the likes of Ted Bundy, David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, John Wayne Gacy, etc.? These family members are all associated with these serial killers but are they evil?

Sep 29, 2008 - 11:57 pm 129. Jeff Weimer:

nick:
Obama disowned the Rev wright remarks
Palin embraces her pastors remarks.
DUH!!

Wasn’t taht three days after he said he “could no more disown him?” and what is it about her pastor’s remarks that is so troubling?

Sep 30, 2008 - 9:35 am 130. Jeff Weimer:

Jeff,

Ayers was acquitted of his bombings, the feds could not go after Obama, free association and all that. He shouldn’t have been allowed to run for this and many other suspicious associations, but here we are, and any deep investigation is being ignored. Even if they only met in 1995, it doesn’t change the fact he worked closely with Ayers on the CAC subsequent to that time. Ayers was sufficiently impressed by Obama to hold his announcement party. I say again, if Obama differed from Ayers politically, we have yet to see it, and Ayers wouldn’t have assisted him. Remeber, he wasn’t sorry for his actions in 1968 - he even poinetdly refused to rule it out again in 2003. The spare facts we have - pointed out in the politico article - point to a closer relationship than has been portrayed. They seem to be fellow travelers on a road I don’t want to go down.

Sep 30, 2008 - 9:45 am 131. nick:

“point to” allusions

evidence points to Martians abducting Bush

morons

Sep 30, 2008 - 11:25 am 132. nick:

1 3 days - yes he learned

2 her pastor supported the book burning
and is a frigging creationist.

Sep 30, 2008 - 12:54 pm 133. Jeff Weimer:

What book burning?

BTW, she moved from taht church years ago, without coming under fire. Obama was very close to Wright (until he ceremoniously left him on the curb) - you can’t deny it. He only repudiated him and left the church AFTER a stink was made, probably because it was harming his candidacy. I can’t believe you’re giving him a pass for that.

Sep 30, 2008 - 1:39 pm 134. Jeff:

Jeff Weimer,

When a friend introduces you to let say another one of their friend, who has a really dark past, but failed to brief you on this before the introduction, should you be persecuted for it for the rest of your life? How do we know whether or not Illinois State Senator, Alice Palmer, briefed Obama before introducing him to Ayers in 1995? For most of you who are pursuing this adamantly, did deep inside and truly ask yourself what your true motivations are? One must realize hypocrisy before passing judgment.

Sep 30, 2008 - 3:11 pm 135. Bill Ayers, Obama: No Mainstream Media Interest in The Obama Bunch | DBKP - The Worldwide Leader in Weird:

[...] the links are chocked full of info on the topic, but Bob Owens: The Ayers-Weatherman Terrorist Attack as It Might Have Happened is particularly [...]

Oct 1, 2008 - 6:59 am 136. Bill Bradley:

This is gibberish.

Oct 1, 2008 - 9:18 am 137. Jeff Weimer:

Jeff,

You are acting like this is the ONLY time those two were in the same room, and that is patently false. If it were the first and only time they met, fine. But after that meeting, they worked together at the Woods Fund and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Also, Ayers endorsed his candidacy de facto by hosting the candidacy announcement party at his own home. Are those the actions of two people who fundamentally disagree with each other? If no, then the next question you should ask yourself is: should I vote for a person who accepted the advice, assistance, and endorsement of a person who openly advocated (and still advocates) the violent overthrow of the American government?

Oct 1, 2008 - 1:06 pm 138. Jeff Weimer:

Maybe you didn’t get my point: I don’t care if he met Ayers before 1995. the significant portion of their relationship came after that date. That’s what is at issue. Let’s talk about that.

Oct 1, 2008 - 1:48 pm 139. nick:

weimber- yes she moved from that Church but still held creationism should be taught alongside Evolution/ her last Couric interview
tried to spin that but she did not DENY creationism

books? Gay books, “how do we get rid of a gay book”

Oct 1, 2008 - 3:10 pm 140. Jeff Weimer:

No, nick, she never said it should be taught in class, she said it could be brought up in class - why is that a problem?. Why not, evolution is still technically a theory. Why not discuss other theories, even to show those theories don’t face up to the evidence. It could help, and it reinforces the scientific theory and critical thinking. She’s not forcing anything on anyone. If you look at her actual record instead of all of this half-ass rumors, you’d see that too.

For the record, I’m of the opinion that evolution explains the HOW, but the bible explains the why. They’re NOT mutually exclusive!

Oct 1, 2008 - 8:08 pm 141. Anonymous:

from St. Louis — The man was part of a charity group with Ayers. We can’t bash him for community service work and workings on a charity board.

Oct 4, 2008 - 6:21 pm 142. Tyler:

from St. Louis — The man was part of a charity group with Ayers. We can’t bash him for community service work and workings on a charity board.

Oct 4, 2008 - 6:21 pm 143. Christine:

You Republicans have been bringing up this tired old story of Obama and Ayers over and over. I guess your beliefs are that if you bring it up more than enough that people will be stupid enough to fall for this propaganda. I do see that you guys do have a following now of ignorant, idiotic, individuals that are mesmerized by this now.

Then on the other hand, you idolize a nitwit name Sarah Palin who utterly lacks any knowledge of the world around her, much less anything about our national politics. She also has these extreme religious Christian views but cannot contain her own 17 year old daughter Bristol from getting pregnant before marriage. Her son Track was also addicted to the power drug OxyContin for nearly the past 2 years. And then here is the icing on the cake, she had an affair with her husband Todd’s business partner named Brad Hanson. You can pick up a copy of this on the National Inquirer at the stands. Now, she is on the campaign trail accusing Obama of palling with the domestic terrorist Ayers. This has got to be the world’s biggest hypocrite and here is her whole story below:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-77788

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/brad-hanson-sarah-palins_n_129356.html

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/65407

Oct 6, 2008 - 12:05 am 144. Brian:

Jeff,

In your litany of folks who killed millions you forgot the communists like Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot. Don’t forget the human carnage created by Fidel Castro.

Oct 7, 2008 - 12:38 pm 145. paulejb:

If John McCain had worked with an individual who had bombed abortion clinics 40 years ago
there would be a media meltdown. If that individual had told the NYT just 7 years ago that he thought he should have done more bombing, we would have 24 hour coverage with weeping people being interviewed non-stop as they spoke of their pain caused by John McCain’s associations. Yet the leftists & their willing accomplices in the MSM would have us believe that Obama’s political alliance with a murderous terrorist bomber is unimportant & need not be discussed. The left wingnuts are going crazy over the fact that Sarah is exposing Obama for the radical that he is. Now Sarah, let’s hear about Obama’s pastor the raving lunatic Jeremiah Wright!

Oct 7, 2008 - 1:27 pm 146. Eric:

To The Christines And The Jeffs I Think For You To Truly Understand What Your Party Representative Stands For I Must Show You In A Simple And Easy Format……………………What Do You See In The Center Of This >>>>>O

Oct 7, 2008 - 1:31 pm 147. Eric:

Thats What He Stands For That Is Important To The American People, Thats What He’ll Do For The American People, Thats What His Experience To Lead The American People Is, And Whether You Want To Believe It Or Not Thats What He Thinks or Cares About You…>>>>>O = NOTHING!!! McCAIN/PALIN ‘08

Oct 7, 2008 - 1:39 pm 148. F3 Coalition - [Faith. Family. Freedom.] » Blog Archive » The Second Debate And Ayering Obama’s Laundry:

[...] William Ayers matters and what he wanted to do? (Hat Tip: The Campaign [...]

Oct 7, 2008 - 9:46 pm 149. “Nobody Yelled “Kill Him” About Obama at a McCain or Palin Rally”:

[...] now a respected “educational reformer,” and besides — that Weathermen’s bomb intended to kill all those innocent soldiers and their dates at a Fort Dix dance never made it there, thanks to a small wiring mishap. So, like, no harm, no foul! Posted by [...]

Oct 14, 2008 - 9:29 am 150. RedPlanetCartoons » Barack and Friends:

[...] Bob Owens: The Ayers-Weatherman Terrorist Attack as It Might Have Happened. [...]

Oct 16, 2008 - 4:40 pm 151. ChooseTheHero.com » Blog Archive » Obuddies:

[...] bombs would be strategically located and timed to take out would-be rescuers as they hurried in. Had everything gone according to plan, the death toll could have been hundreds of soldiers, their girlfriends, and wives. Instead, a bomb [...]

Oct 30, 2008 - 9:06 am 152. The Waterglass » It’s an Incredibly Stupid Idea to Vote for Obama:

[...] Well, we have domestic terrorist William Ayers, who but for a general incompetence in bomb wiring, would have killed many more people than he managed to.  Obama launched his political career in the man’s living room: something that should give [...]

Oct 30, 2008 - 6:40 pm 153. Hot Air » Blog Archive » Video: Terrorist whines about Fox News:

[...] never killed anyone — parenthetically. Exit question: Does attempting to blow up a dance hall filled with U.S. soldiers count, or are they the “real terrorists” too? Exit answer via WaPo: “‘As [...]

Nov 18, 2008 - 11:35 am 154. Hot Air » Blog Archive » Ayers: It wasn’t terrorism, it was more like “extreme vandalism”:

[...] Not the first time he’s tried to finesse the concept, although it may be the first time he’s done it in the pages of a paper whose own reporting contradicts him. Terrorists, it seems, kill people indiscriminately whereas the Weathermen never tried to kill anyone. Except cops. And soldiers. [...]

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