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		<title>By: trya b</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-biggest-non-discovery-on-mars-in-history/comment-page-1/#comment-146175</link>
		<dc:creator>trya b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dis sucks dis didnt give me any info i needed for extra credit u sickos</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dis sucks dis didnt give me any info i needed for extra credit u sickos</p>
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		<title>By: edh</title>
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		<dc:creator>edh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 02:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why is Science &quot;atheistic&quot; hmmm?
The scientist gazing through the microscope or the telescope making quantifiable measurements is 
perfoming &quot;science&quot;. When he says that something is 
&quot;valuable&quot; &quot;good&quot; or even
&quot;progressive&quot; he is infusing human values and expectations..at that point he is no longer scientist. He is  making social, philosophical or even artistic judgements. In fact science cant give satisfaction to 99.9% of what humans are looking for.
So much for the wannabee Dr.Spock poseurs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So why is Science &#8220;atheistic&#8221; hmmm?<br />
The scientist gazing through the microscope or the telescope making quantifiable measurements is<br />
perfoming &#8220;science&#8221;. When he says that something is<br />
&#8220;valuable&#8221; &#8220;good&#8221; or even<br />
&#8220;progressive&#8221; he is infusing human values and expectations..at that point he is no longer scientist. He is  making social, philosophical or even artistic judgements. In fact science cant give satisfaction to 99.9% of what humans are looking for.<br />
So much for the wannabee Dr.Spock poseurs.</p>
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		<title>By: Waller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With evolution it&#039;s always about attacking religion. I&#039;ve only been able to have a couple of evo debates where my opponent actually focused on the merits of evo theory, instead of a broadside against theology.

Here&#039;s an example. Punctuated Evolution. A deus ex machina created by evolutionists to explain how so much mutation can occur [in the actually short] period of 4 billion years. And also to explain the sudden burst of diverse lifeforms in a theory whose bedrock is gradual change due to environmental factors.

Yes, it IS a scientific cheat to put in a stipulation that only occurs when convenient, doesn&#039;t follow the tenet of the original theory, and only basis is that&#039;s how we keep the theory intact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With evolution it&#8217;s always about attacking religion. I&#8217;ve only been able to have a couple of evo debates where my opponent actually focused on the merits of evo theory, instead of a broadside against theology.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an example. Punctuated Evolution. A deus ex machina created by evolutionists to explain how so much mutation can occur [in the actually short] period of 4 billion years. And also to explain the sudden burst of diverse lifeforms in a theory whose bedrock is gradual change due to environmental factors.</p>
<p>Yes, it IS a scientific cheat to put in a stipulation that only occurs when convenient, doesn&#8217;t follow the tenet of the original theory, and only basis is that&#8217;s how we keep the theory intact.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone above says the Bible says that pi equals 3. I would like to point out that the measurements for the circumference and diameter of that particular alluded-to circle is given in the very inexact and call-it, hope-for-the-best unit called the &quot;cubit&quot;, which was measured by using the arm. 

It&#039;s like when someone asks me &quot;what time is it&quot; and I say &quot;1 o&#039;clock&quot; though it&#039;s really 12:50 or 5 after...nobody thinks I&#039;m lying, deceiving them, or being unscientific: I&#039;m just not being anally precise: the same goes for that stupd, over-trumped, pathetic example that people who have absolutely no cultural awareness of the text they&#039;re reading bring-up all the time. Argghh!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone above says the Bible says that pi equals 3. I would like to point out that the measurements for the circumference and diameter of that particular alluded-to circle is given in the very inexact and call-it, hope-for-the-best unit called the &#8220;cubit&#8221;, which was measured by using the arm. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like when someone asks me &#8220;what time is it&#8221; and I say &#8220;1 o&#8217;clock&#8221; though it&#8217;s really 12:50 or 5 after&#8230;nobody thinks I&#8217;m lying, deceiving them, or being unscientific: I&#8217;m just not being anally precise: the same goes for that stupd, over-trumped, pathetic example that people who have absolutely no cultural awareness of the text they&#8217;re reading bring-up all the time. Argghh!!</p>
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		<title>By: cedarford</title>
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		<dc:creator>cedarford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carney - &lt;i&gt;Uniquely in the solar system, you can grow crops on Mars in cheap inflatable greenhouses. With a 24 hour day/night cycle (no need for expensive artificial light), a carbon dioxide atmosphere (slightly concentrated and pressurized if necessary), and all the elements necessary for agriculture in abundance, Mars can support a permanent human population.&lt;/i&gt;

In your dreams. 

All the elements necessary for agriculture are not in abundance. Most importantly, there is no nitrogen.
The dead zones on Earths highest mountains are like tropical rain forests compared to Mars.

The soils also appear to contain toxic super oxidizers. Nor will &quot;inflatable greenhouses&quot; achieve the partial pressures of CO2 needed to make plant photosythesis work, nor nitrogen for protein production even if you import your N2 from Earth at 100,000 dollars a pound. And, with 120 DEG below zero nights since the Martian ATM is too thin to retain substantial day-cycle solar heat, the cost of heating your greenhouses is prohibitive even without factoring in the damage regular radiation, intense UV radiation, and damage from irregular solar flares will inflict on plant life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carney &#8211; <i>Uniquely in the solar system, you can grow crops on Mars in cheap inflatable greenhouses. With a 24 hour day/night cycle (no need for expensive artificial light), a carbon dioxide atmosphere (slightly concentrated and pressurized if necessary), and all the elements necessary for agriculture in abundance, Mars can support a permanent human population.</i></p>
<p>In your dreams. </p>
<p>All the elements necessary for agriculture are not in abundance. Most importantly, there is no nitrogen.<br />
The dead zones on Earths highest mountains are like tropical rain forests compared to Mars.</p>
<p>The soils also appear to contain toxic super oxidizers. Nor will &#8220;inflatable greenhouses&#8221; achieve the partial pressures of CO2 needed to make plant photosythesis work, nor nitrogen for protein production even if you import your N2 from Earth at 100,000 dollars a pound. And, with 120 DEG below zero nights since the Martian ATM is too thin to retain substantial day-cycle solar heat, the cost of heating your greenhouses is prohibitive even without factoring in the damage regular radiation, intense UV radiation, and damage from irregular solar flares will inflict on plant life.</p>
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		<title>By: MrTender</title>
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		<dc:creator>MrTender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: Waller

Read &quot;The Blind Watchmaker&quot; - Richard Dawkins...
In fact read his book &quot;The God Delusion&quot; too.

I have read both of these, as well as I have read the bible. I think that to fully understand the question, and come to your own individual answer you need to read all three of those books, not just one or two of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: Waller</p>
<p>Read &#8220;The Blind Watchmaker&#8221; &#8211; Richard Dawkins&#8230;<br />
In fact read his book &#8220;The God Delusion&#8221; too.</p>
<p>I have read both of these, as well as I have read the bible. I think that to fully understand the question, and come to your own individual answer you need to read all three of those books, not just one or two of them.</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Links - August 4th &#171; The Four Part Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Links - August 4th &#171; The Four Part Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Benson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 07:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, good grief.  Another government boondoggle, doomed from the start, pushed by obsessed hobbyists who can&#039;t see the obvious truth.  It&#039;s SETI all over again, only with an infinitely higher cost and no benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, good grief.  Another government boondoggle, doomed from the start, pushed by obsessed hobbyists who can&#8217;t see the obvious truth.  It&#8217;s SETI all over again, only with an infinitely higher cost and no benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Carney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benson said: &quot;Mars colony? For robots only, otherwise impractical. We can learn more by sending probes, which will become more sophisticated over time.&quot;

Quite wrong.  Read &quot;The Case for Mars&quot; by Robert Zubrin, who goes into this in detail.  His Mars Direct plan, endorsed by Carl Sagan, Arthur C. Clarke, and Buzz Aldrin, is so compelling that NASA eventually adopted its essentials.  The current NASA administrator is a former board member of Zubrin&#039;s Mars Society.

Uniquely in the solar system, you can grow crops on Mars in cheap inflatable greenhouses.  With a 24 hour day/night cycle (no need for expensive artificial light), a carbon dioxide atmosphere (slightly concentrated and pressurized if necessary), and all the elements necessary for agriculture in abundance, Mars can support a permanent human population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benson said: &#8220;Mars colony? For robots only, otherwise impractical. We can learn more by sending probes, which will become more sophisticated over time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Quite wrong.  Read &#8220;The Case for Mars&#8221; by Robert Zubrin, who goes into this in detail.  His Mars Direct plan, endorsed by Carl Sagan, Arthur C. Clarke, and Buzz Aldrin, is so compelling that NASA eventually adopted its essentials.  The current NASA administrator is a former board member of Zubrin&#8217;s Mars Society.</p>
<p>Uniquely in the solar system, you can grow crops on Mars in cheap inflatable greenhouses.  With a 24 hour day/night cycle (no need for expensive artificial light), a carbon dioxide atmosphere (slightly concentrated and pressurized if necessary), and all the elements necessary for agriculture in abundance, Mars can support a permanent human population.</p>
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		<title>By: Augustus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Augustus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By finding water in Mars will prove a living civilization once existed. It is want they want all to believe - an illusional existence. If water is evidence of life on a planet in  outerspace hemisphere, then why not fire on a planet? Here&#039;s a scenario to consider: Back then, who knows, possibly trillion&#039;s of years ago (it could be made-up with some creative theosophy scheming), the first civilization (during process of evolution growth) in the SUN planet suddenly invent fire. Little did these creatures know the planet they occupied swarmed with gases. BANG! The first match had been lit. 
 My point is the phenomenon of outerspace terrestrial existence visiting earth in UFO&#039;s, is an advanced human technology kept secret for a future sinister higher purpose. 
 The universe is a 3 dimensional phase. Earth, Space &amp; Heaven. The only living within it are in spirit form such as the super natural GOD-his Angels, Lucifer-his fallen angels, the once living people who moved on in spirit to a dimension beyond ours &amp; the rest of us still living here on earth.
 Stop funding NASA &amp; others alike because they are searching for something that will not be revealed to them. Aliens with their UFO&#039;s is just a frigment of our imagination-an illusion to deceive the general population. If they exist, we would most definitely been invaded, or possibly, destroyed. The funds should be used here on earth to help the many desperate people in need of survival. That is where our energies should be spent, rather in some fantasy existence on some other planets. Leave that to hollywood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By finding water in Mars will prove a living civilization once existed. It is want they want all to believe &#8211; an illusional existence. If water is evidence of life on a planet in  outerspace hemisphere, then why not fire on a planet? Here&#8217;s a scenario to consider: Back then, who knows, possibly trillion&#8217;s of years ago (it could be made-up with some creative theosophy scheming), the first civilization (during process of evolution growth) in the SUN planet suddenly invent fire. Little did these creatures know the planet they occupied swarmed with gases. BANG! The first match had been lit.<br />
 My point is the phenomenon of outerspace terrestrial existence visiting earth in UFO&#8217;s, is an advanced human technology kept secret for a future sinister higher purpose.<br />
 The universe is a 3 dimensional phase. Earth, Space &amp; Heaven. The only living within it are in spirit form such as the super natural GOD-his Angels, Lucifer-his fallen angels, the once living people who moved on in spirit to a dimension beyond ours &amp; the rest of us still living here on earth.<br />
 Stop funding NASA &amp; others alike because they are searching for something that will not be revealed to them. Aliens with their UFO&#8217;s is just a frigment of our imagination-an illusion to deceive the general population. If they exist, we would most definitely been invaded, or possibly, destroyed. The funds should be used here on earth to help the many desperate people in need of survival. That is where our energies should be spent, rather in some fantasy existence on some other planets. Leave that to hollywood.</p>
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