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		<title>By: Patricia</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-brutal-reality-of-interracial-adoption/comment-page-2/#comment-117081</link>
		<dc:creator>Patricia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We adopted through the state foster system.  We said the first adoptable sibling group, any race.  The case worker asked if we were sure that any race was fine and sounded surprised.  We were blessed with twin, multi-racial babies.  We are now looking at domestic adopting through the sliding scale, race is not our issue, affordable adoption is.  Frankly the rates aren&#039;t there to discriminate they are there to help kids get families. 
 I think you should spend your racist watch at planned parenthood where they offer free abortion to any other race than white, funded by a racist donor.  There is some racism that should be exposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We adopted through the state foster system.  We said the first adoptable sibling group, any race.  The case worker asked if we were sure that any race was fine and sounded surprised.  We were blessed with twin, multi-racial babies.  We are now looking at domestic adopting through the sliding scale, race is not our issue, affordable adoption is.  Frankly the rates aren&#8217;t there to discriminate they are there to help kids get families.<br />
 I think you should spend your racist watch at planned parenthood where they offer free abortion to any other race than white, funded by a racist donor.  There is some racism that should be exposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW.. I&#039;m shocked. I would NEVER tell my child that their adoption costs less than a white child. What good will that do, what it will do is make her feel unvaluble and unworthy, which she is not. I agree with you that agencies should not place such fees on different races, that would anger me too, but if it makes you feel as you do, think of how it will make HER feel. She is a precious gift and should never be made to feel otherwise, certainly not by the mouth of her own mother. I know MANY adopted people, none of them ask what the fee was for their adoption, that is outrageous to me. I am a foster parent, I see many adoptions, and will soon be adoptiing myself. I wouldn&#039;t dream of hurting my child in such a way. 16 years ago, before my son was born, my ex-husband gave me a choice to either have a abortion or he would make me have a miscarriage, but no way would this child be born alive, I packed my bags, hit the road and never looked back. Do you think I would EVER tell my son that his father wished him dead? not in a million years, I&#039;ll tell a million white lies if I have to, to see to it that he never feels that he was so unwanted or so unloved that his own father made that threat. NEVER.. I pray to God that you reconsider, once it&#039;s done, it&#039;s done, there is no taking it back and nothing you do will bring back her self worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW.. I&#8217;m shocked. I would NEVER tell my child that their adoption costs less than a white child. What good will that do, what it will do is make her feel unvaluble and unworthy, which she is not. I agree with you that agencies should not place such fees on different races, that would anger me too, but if it makes you feel as you do, think of how it will make HER feel. She is a precious gift and should never be made to feel otherwise, certainly not by the mouth of her own mother. I know MANY adopted people, none of them ask what the fee was for their adoption, that is outrageous to me. I am a foster parent, I see many adoptions, and will soon be adoptiing myself. I wouldn&#8217;t dream of hurting my child in such a way. 16 years ago, before my son was born, my ex-husband gave me a choice to either have a abortion or he would make me have a miscarriage, but no way would this child be born alive, I packed my bags, hit the road and never looked back. Do you think I would EVER tell my son that his father wished him dead? not in a million years, I&#8217;ll tell a million white lies if I have to, to see to it that he never feels that he was so unwanted or so unloved that his own father made that threat. NEVER.. I pray to God that you reconsider, once it&#8217;s done, it&#8217;s done, there is no taking it back and nothing you do will bring back her self worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I forgot something which is important. In the U.S., one often doesn&#039;t have to pay fees to adopt special needs kids, or hard to place children. other than the normal legal fees associated with them - and they are quite small. In fact, one can get help, even for white kids, when they fall into this category. And, often, once a child is school age, they fall into this category. Color or race isn&#039;t the issue. Age is the issue.

There are more black children in the system for three reasons: first, more wind up in the system (this isn&#039;t the place to discuss that), second, fewer black families formally adopt children. There is often an informal process amongst blacks, but when that breaks down, and it has, you wind up with all these kids who have nowhere to go. And thirdly, some time ago black social workers got up in arms about white folks adopting children of color, because they felt it was a sort of &quot;genocide,&quot; and, as a part of that, white parents couldn&#039;t possibly appropriately bring up a black child. Their &quot;black&quot; identity would be extinguished. These are 3 very real reasons why there are more black kids in the system than any other at this time.

There are incentives for all adoptive parents of hard to place kids, regardless of the child&#039;s color or ethnicity. Not foreign born kids, but kids born right here in the U.S.A., and there are millions of them that need homes.

The fact is, the author probably wanted an infant - a new born. The wait in the U.S. for white children and even bi-racial children can be long, even with an expensive adoption service. Frankly, it has gotten so even black infants are becoming a premium - it&#039;s not until after the bio mom has either decided she can&#039;t take care of the child, or has had it taken away, that they enter the system. And, often, by that time, many are no longer considered infants - which for the purposes of adoption, usually means school age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I forgot something which is important. In the U.S., one often doesn&#8217;t have to pay fees to adopt special needs kids, or hard to place children. other than the normal legal fees associated with them &#8211; and they are quite small. In fact, one can get help, even for white kids, when they fall into this category. And, often, once a child is school age, they fall into this category. Color or race isn&#8217;t the issue. Age is the issue.</p>
<p>There are more black children in the system for three reasons: first, more wind up in the system (this isn&#8217;t the place to discuss that), second, fewer black families formally adopt children. There is often an informal process amongst blacks, but when that breaks down, and it has, you wind up with all these kids who have nowhere to go. And thirdly, some time ago black social workers got up in arms about white folks adopting children of color, because they felt it was a sort of &#8220;genocide,&#8221; and, as a part of that, white parents couldn&#8217;t possibly appropriately bring up a black child. Their &#8220;black&#8221; identity would be extinguished. These are 3 very real reasons why there are more black kids in the system than any other at this time.</p>
<p>There are incentives for all adoptive parents of hard to place kids, regardless of the child&#8217;s color or ethnicity. Not foreign born kids, but kids born right here in the U.S.A., and there are millions of them that need homes.</p>
<p>The fact is, the author probably wanted an infant &#8211; a new born. The wait in the U.S. for white children and even bi-racial children can be long, even with an expensive adoption service. Frankly, it has gotten so even black infants are becoming a premium &#8211; it&#8217;s not until after the bio mom has either decided she can&#8217;t take care of the child, or has had it taken away, that they enter the system. And, often, by that time, many are no longer considered infants &#8211; which for the purposes of adoption, usually means school age.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a but late coming on board - no, I don&#039;t think you should tell her her adoption was cheaper. To what purpose? She&#039;ll learn soon enough the issues surrounding mixed kids. But, for the purposes of school as she gets older, she will be considered black. And, once she gets to high school, she will be forced to choose who she hangs out with.... that is a reality of life.

Why tell her as a child, she had less value because she was black or mixed? When she gets older and her self image is set, and she knows the way of the world, then go ahead - no reason to hide it. But, by that time, it probably won&#039;t matter to her that she was a blue-light special.

I know what I&#039;m talking about - I have 7 adopted children, 5 of which are bi-racial. And ALL of whom were special needs kids. Hard to place kids. And, all from the U.S. There are plenty of them here, or hadn&#039;t you noticed?

So, keep your outrage and use it to not only teach her to be a person first, not someone who is bi-racial, but also a self-reliant young woman, and to be proud of who she is, regardless of color.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a but late coming on board &#8211; no, I don&#8217;t think you should tell her her adoption was cheaper. To what purpose? She&#8217;ll learn soon enough the issues surrounding mixed kids. But, for the purposes of school as she gets older, she will be considered black. And, once she gets to high school, she will be forced to choose who she hangs out with&#8230;. that is a reality of life.</p>
<p>Why tell her as a child, she had less value because she was black or mixed? When she gets older and her self image is set, and she knows the way of the world, then go ahead &#8211; no reason to hide it. But, by that time, it probably won&#8217;t matter to her that she was a blue-light special.</p>
<p>I know what I&#8217;m talking about &#8211; I have 7 adopted children, 5 of which are bi-racial. And ALL of whom were special needs kids. Hard to place kids. And, all from the U.S. There are plenty of them here, or hadn&#8217;t you noticed?</p>
<p>So, keep your outrage and use it to not only teach her to be a person first, not someone who is bi-racial, but also a self-reliant young woman, and to be proud of who she is, regardless of color.</p>
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		<title>By: Cristina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cristina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIch Rostrom:

&quot;In all probability, they discount the fees for adoption of black children to encourage adoption of them.&quot;

Absolutely. No racism here, just common sense economics. &quot;Racism&quot;--whatever that means--would be to refuse to take any black kids in for adoption at all, although even in that case the motives might be other than &quot;racism.&quot;
What&#039;s increasingly clear to me is that, while the &quot;racism&quot; of Jim Crow is fast disappearing, the PC, multiculturalist left insists on finding it everywhere, under every stone, and re-creating it by making &quot;race&quot; the alpha and omega of civilization. 
Whatever you do, whatever your intentions, you can&#039;t hide from accusations of &quot;racism.&quot; It has taken the place of the original sin.
In communist dictatorships, political sin had a variety of names: &quot;bourgeois,&quot; &quot;imperialism lover,&quot; &quot;cosmopolitan&quot; (because you read, say, Baudelaire or Goethe or Whitman, or, worse, you had once said, foolishly, when you thought you were among friends, that American science was better than Soviet Science), &quot;Zionist,&quot; &quot;saboteur,&quot; 
&quot;enemy of the proletariat/working people,&quot; each of which accusation would have sent you to a labor camp, to the salt or lead mines, or to rot in a dungeon with your feet permanently in cold water.

This is where the accusation of &quot;racism&quot; is taking us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RIch Rostrom:</p>
<p>&#8220;In all probability, they discount the fees for adoption of black children to encourage adoption of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Absolutely. No racism here, just common sense economics. &#8220;Racism&#8221;&#8211;whatever that means&#8211;would be to refuse to take any black kids in for adoption at all, although even in that case the motives might be other than &#8220;racism.&#8221;<br />
What&#8217;s increasingly clear to me is that, while the &#8220;racism&#8221; of Jim Crow is fast disappearing, the PC, multiculturalist left insists on finding it everywhere, under every stone, and re-creating it by making &#8220;race&#8221; the alpha and omega of civilization.<br />
Whatever you do, whatever your intentions, you can&#8217;t hide from accusations of &#8220;racism.&#8221; It has taken the place of the original sin.<br />
In communist dictatorships, political sin had a variety of names: &#8220;bourgeois,&#8221; &#8220;imperialism lover,&#8221; &#8220;cosmopolitan&#8221; (because you read, say, Baudelaire or Goethe or Whitman, or, worse, you had once said, foolishly, when you thought you were among friends, that American science was better than Soviet Science), &#8220;Zionist,&#8221; &#8220;saboteur,&#8221;<br />
&#8220;enemy of the proletariat/working people,&#8221; each of which accusation would have sent you to a labor camp, to the salt or lead mines, or to rot in a dungeon with your feet permanently in cold water.</p>
<p>This is where the accusation of &#8220;racism&#8221; is taking us.</p>
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		<title>By: incredulous</title>
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		<dc:creator>incredulous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 21:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never respond in comments, but this article has stayed with me since I read it.

A reasonable case can be made that the fee structure is not a reflection of racism.  It is not racist for white parents to prefer to adopt white children.  Why shouldn&#039;t they want to adopt children who look more like them?  It is not racist for adoption agencies, faced with more minority children who are harder to place (Do more minority parents put their children up for adoption? Do fewer minority parents adopt?), encourage their adoption by adjusting the fee structure.  It is not racist for people who desperately want to love a child to also consider the economic costs associated with bringing that child into the family.  

Perhaps I am wrong.  Just too simplistic.  Not perceptive enough to see the racism.  Perhaps both of our views are reasonable.  That is something we could debate long into the night.

But what does it say about you, Ms. Friedman, that you would choose to tell your beloved daughter the version that might damage her self-worth?  If you believe that your daughter already faces an uphill battle in a racist world, why would you pile on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never respond in comments, but this article has stayed with me since I read it.</p>
<p>A reasonable case can be made that the fee structure is not a reflection of racism.  It is not racist for white parents to prefer to adopt white children.  Why shouldn&#8217;t they want to adopt children who look more like them?  It is not racist for adoption agencies, faced with more minority children who are harder to place (Do more minority parents put their children up for adoption? Do fewer minority parents adopt?), encourage their adoption by adjusting the fee structure.  It is not racist for people who desperately want to love a child to also consider the economic costs associated with bringing that child into the family.  </p>
<p>Perhaps I am wrong.  Just too simplistic.  Not perceptive enough to see the racism.  Perhaps both of our views are reasonable.  That is something we could debate long into the night.</p>
<p>But what does it say about you, Ms. Friedman, that you would choose to tell your beloved daughter the version that might damage her self-worth?  If you believe that your daughter already faces an uphill battle in a racist world, why would you pile on?</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be sure to also tell your child that her toenails are weird, that her stomach makes disgusting noises, and that she vomited in your face and up your nose that one time.

THEN you can tell her how much she cost. 

Sheesh, lady, ever heard of preserving the child&#039;s self-image? Be sure to tell your daughter she&#039;s fat, too. That&#039;ll help her just as much as the adoption fees and how guilty you feel about OTHER people&#039;s latent racism that YOU have discovered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to also tell your child that her toenails are weird, that her stomach makes disgusting noises, and that she vomited in your face and up your nose that one time.</p>
<p>THEN you can tell her how much she cost. </p>
<p>Sheesh, lady, ever heard of preserving the child&#8217;s self-image? Be sure to tell your daughter she&#8217;s fat, too. That&#8217;ll help her just as much as the adoption fees and how guilty you feel about OTHER people&#8217;s latent racism that YOU have discovered.</p>
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		<title>By: RIch Rostrom</title>
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		<dc:creator>RIch Rostrom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 04:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of _course_ the child should be told about the _viciously_ racist fee structure of the adoption agency. She must be _thoroughly_ educated about entrenched racism that governs _every_ _aspect_ of American society. She should be trained to detect racist oppression _everywhere_. She must learn _never_ to trust any member of the White Power Structure, such as teachers, cops, landlords, or employers, and to understand that if any of them have a problem with her, it is because _they_ are racists. (Am I preaching to the choir here? I fear so.)

Taking tongue out of cheek: I very much doubt that your child will every inquire about this aspect of the adoption. The agency charges what the traffic will bear, more or less. In all probability, they discount the fees for adoption of black children to encourage adoption of them. To see this as a Bad Thing is looking for trouble when none exists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of _course_ the child should be told about the _viciously_ racist fee structure of the adoption agency. She must be _thoroughly_ educated about entrenched racism that governs _every_ _aspect_ of American society. She should be trained to detect racist oppression _everywhere_. She must learn _never_ to trust any member of the White Power Structure, such as teachers, cops, landlords, or employers, and to understand that if any of them have a problem with her, it is because _they_ are racists. (Am I preaching to the choir here? I fear so.)</p>
<p>Taking tongue out of cheek: I very much doubt that your child will every inquire about this aspect of the adoption. The agency charges what the traffic will bear, more or less. In all probability, they discount the fees for adoption of black children to encourage adoption of them. To see this as a Bad Thing is looking for trouble when none exists.</p>
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		<title>By: bob a</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to have a need for some kind of public
flagellation so here&#039;s another lash. If you wanted to really raise your child&#039;s self esteem when you get around to this nonsense act, you would have paid the full price regardless. That would have created a bonding beyond race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to have a need for some kind of public<br />
flagellation so here&#8217;s another lash. If you wanted to really raise your child&#8217;s self esteem when you get around to this nonsense act, you would have paid the full price regardless. That would have created a bonding beyond race.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I wasn&#039;t fair earlier.  You did say: &quot;I don’t know how or when it’ll come up for my daughter but I expect that it will. And when it does, I’m going to tell her the truth.&quot;  I&#039;m not sure why you are so certain it will come up; I never would have expected it to come up with my children, and I still don&#039;t.  I expect them to be much more concerned about other things, like school, sports, dating, video games...etc.  Your child is your&#039;s now; treat her as if you gave birth to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I wasn&#8217;t fair earlier.  You did say: &#8220;I don’t know how or when it’ll come up for my daughter but I expect that it will. And when it does, I’m going to tell her the truth.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not sure why you are so certain it will come up; I never would have expected it to come up with my children, and I still don&#8217;t.  I expect them to be much more concerned about other things, like school, sports, dating, video games&#8230;etc.  Your child is your&#8217;s now; treat her as if you gave birth to her.</p>
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