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	<title>Comments on: The Catholic Vote and the Counterbalance to Abortion</title>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-catholic-vote-and-the-counterbalance-to-abortion/comment-page-2/#comment-391679</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 22:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you call yourself a Christian the fact that God chose to enter into human life in a young, unmarried girl has got to mean something.

It’s almost as if he was trying to teach us something right from the very beginning ….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you call yourself a Christian the fact that God chose to enter into human life in a young, unmarried girl has got to mean something.</p>
<p>It’s almost as if he was trying to teach us something right from the very beginning ….</p>
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		<title>By: Is Obama trying to Lead or to Rule? &#124; The Anchoress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Obama trying to Lead or to Rule? &#124; The Anchoress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] no quarter to the most minimal requests of the pro-lifers; that &#8220;fair-minded words&#8221; and &#8220;caricatures&#8221; are relative, and that &#8220;looking past our differences&#8221; means the savagery of partial birth abortion [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] no quarter to the most minimal requests of the pro-lifers; that &#8220;fair-minded words&#8221; and &#8220;caricatures&#8221; are relative, and that &#8220;looking past our differences&#8221; means the savagery of partial birth abortion [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are we ignoring overpopulation now?

I&#039;m thinking globally here, not merely nationally.
If the world population continues to grow, we will eventually hit a limit and then only one option will be left: massive death. That&#039;s just ecology. This could happen through a pandemic or a war over resources, which is even more likely, considering the rate we already consume at. We don&#039;t even have to grow and we&#039;ll already face serious problems.
That is, of course, unless we lower the birth rate instead.
Like you, I&#039;d prefer if we didn&#039;t need abortion to accomplish this. But telling someone &quot;don&#039;t have sex,&quot; or &quot;don&#039;t have a family, adopt instead&quot; hasn&#039;t proven successful in the past.
Between war and abortion, I&#039;d say abortion is the more ethical one. And biologically speaking, fetuses are aborted when they&#039;re unviable, aka not alive. So it&#039;s not murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we ignoring overpopulation now?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking globally here, not merely nationally.<br />
If the world population continues to grow, we will eventually hit a limit and then only one option will be left: massive death. That&#8217;s just ecology. This could happen through a pandemic or a war over resources, which is even more likely, considering the rate we already consume at. We don&#8217;t even have to grow and we&#8217;ll already face serious problems.<br />
That is, of course, unless we lower the birth rate instead.<br />
Like you, I&#8217;d prefer if we didn&#8217;t need abortion to accomplish this. But telling someone &#8220;don&#8217;t have sex,&#8221; or &#8220;don&#8217;t have a family, adopt instead&#8221; hasn&#8217;t proven successful in the past.<br />
Between war and abortion, I&#8217;d say abortion is the more ethical one. And biologically speaking, fetuses are aborted when they&#8217;re unviable, aka not alive. So it&#8217;s not murder.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-catholic-vote-and-the-counterbalance-to-abortion/comment-page-2/#comment-160476</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And as long as I have your attention: opponents of abortion should be very well grounded in economics so you can tell your legislators to do the right thing. Any abortion foe not well grounded in economics is not being true to their beliefs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And as long as I have your attention: opponents of abortion should be very well grounded in economics so you can tell your legislators to do the right thing. Any abortion foe not well grounded in economics is not being true to their beliefs.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-catholic-vote-and-the-counterbalance-to-abortion/comment-page-2/#comment-160475</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And further: abortion in the main is an economic act by poor women. The rate of abortion among Blacks is higher than among other segments of the population. One of the reason is the dearth of Black males of marriage age due to the Drug War. 1/3 are  in the criminal justice system - jail or probation and many of the rest have felony records reducing their earning power.

So the first thing to do to reduce abortion is to End The Drug War.

Second - outlawing abortion is just a feel good measure. It will not stop the practice. It will just drive it underground. They will just start having &quot;menstrual extraction&quot; parties again as was not unusual in the 60s. You can look it up. Or RU-485 parties. Or birth control pill parties - or ergot parties or who knows what else?

This can not be dealt with by law - you have to change women&#039;s hearts.  But passing laws - well not so difficult - except in South Dakota.

Oh yeah - with the economy tanking expect the abortion rate to rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And further: abortion in the main is an economic act by poor women. The rate of abortion among Blacks is higher than among other segments of the population. One of the reason is the dearth of Black males of marriage age due to the Drug War. 1/3 are  in the criminal justice system &#8211; jail or probation and many of the rest have felony records reducing their earning power.</p>
<p>So the first thing to do to reduce abortion is to End The Drug War.</p>
<p>Second &#8211; outlawing abortion is just a feel good measure. It will not stop the practice. It will just drive it underground. They will just start having &#8220;menstrual extraction&#8221; parties again as was not unusual in the 60s. You can look it up. Or RU-485 parties. Or birth control pill parties &#8211; or ergot parties or who knows what else?</p>
<p>This can not be dealt with by law &#8211; you have to change women&#8217;s hearts.  But passing laws &#8211; well not so difficult &#8211; except in South Dakota.</p>
<p>Oh yeah &#8211; with the economy tanking expect the abortion rate to rise.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-catholic-vote-and-the-counterbalance-to-abortion/comment-page-2/#comment-160467</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t the Jewish view on abortion deserve some recognition?

And the Jewish view is that the baby is not a human (it is just a part of the mother) until it emerges from the womb. In Jewish Law killing a fetus was a misdemeanor and the punishment was a payment to the father of the child. The same as if you cut off a finger of another out of malice. This was based on the only section of the Torah dealing with an unborn child. You have to read it in the original Hebrew to get it right. Some of the translations got it wrong.

So Jews - even those who think abortions for anything other than the heath of the mother are wrong - don&#039;t take it as seriously as some of our Christian friends. So you have to ask yourself - is legislating a particular religion&#039;s view on the matter a good idea? 

Now this is rank speculation - but perhaps the reason Jesus never addressed abortion was that he was satisfied with Jewish law on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t the Jewish view on abortion deserve some recognition?</p>
<p>And the Jewish view is that the baby is not a human (it is just a part of the mother) until it emerges from the womb. In Jewish Law killing a fetus was a misdemeanor and the punishment was a payment to the father of the child. The same as if you cut off a finger of another out of malice. This was based on the only section of the Torah dealing with an unborn child. You have to read it in the original Hebrew to get it right. Some of the translations got it wrong.</p>
<p>So Jews &#8211; even those who think abortions for anything other than the heath of the mother are wrong &#8211; don&#8217;t take it as seriously as some of our Christian friends. So you have to ask yourself &#8211; is legislating a particular religion&#8217;s view on the matter a good idea? </p>
<p>Now this is rank speculation &#8211; but perhaps the reason Jesus never addressed abortion was that he was satisfied with Jewish law on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Benedict on Monasticism &#124; The Anchoress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benedict on Monasticism &#124; The Anchoress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 19:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] expression are governments losing sight of the God-given gift of human liberty, or that a culture inhospitable to inconvenient life is in serious, fundamental conflict with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] expression are governments losing sight of the God-given gift of human liberty, or that a culture inhospitable to inconvenient life is in serious, fundamental conflict with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, God allows the fetus to exist.  It is in the mother&#039;s womb by the grace of a life-giving God.  If you can&#039;t get that part right, the rest is not going to make sense to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, God allows the fetus to exist.  It is in the mother&#8217;s womb by the grace of a life-giving God.  If you can&#8217;t get that part right, the rest is not going to make sense to you.</p>
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		<title>By: James P</title>
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		<dc:creator>James P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 05:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jhariss how are any non - religious persons imposing their beliefs onto you with respect to abortion?  If I am pro choice I am advocating giving you a choice to abort an unwanted pregnancy or to carry it to term.  No one is forcing you or attempting to force upon you any decision you are not comfortable with.  However, you and the rest of your constituencies seem to think it&#039;s fine to push your beliefs on me by forcing people who have no affiliation with your religion to accept your dogma as law.  I don&#039;t believe in God and you can not offer me one iota of support to prove to me, an atheist, that I should believe a fetus should have the same rights as a human being.  Not one.  You don&#039;t abort people.  You abort fetuses.  You can display as many pictures of third trimester abortions as you&#039;d like.  If it wasn&#039;t for the fact that fetuses were necessary to continue to populate our species, the fetus could be regarded as no more then a parasite.  They are not people.  The sanctity of life is something that does not apply to all living things.  Fetuses are one of those things.  Humans kill all types of organisms every day without any regard.  A chimp has the ability to reason, show emotion and communicate however we kill chimps for our own benefit every day and their DNA is nearly identical to our own.  A fetus does not think, it does not reason and is, by definition &quot;unborn&quot; thereby stripping it of any independence from its mother.  And because of this lack of independence from it&#039;s host/mother, I firmly believe that the fetus&#039; rights should be governed by what is allowing it to exist in the first place - it&#039;s host/mother.  Not by you and certainly not any church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jhariss how are any non &#8211; religious persons imposing their beliefs onto you with respect to abortion?  If I am pro choice I am advocating giving you a choice to abort an unwanted pregnancy or to carry it to term.  No one is forcing you or attempting to force upon you any decision you are not comfortable with.  However, you and the rest of your constituencies seem to think it&#8217;s fine to push your beliefs on me by forcing people who have no affiliation with your religion to accept your dogma as law.  I don&#8217;t believe in God and you can not offer me one iota of support to prove to me, an atheist, that I should believe a fetus should have the same rights as a human being.  Not one.  You don&#8217;t abort people.  You abort fetuses.  You can display as many pictures of third trimester abortions as you&#8217;d like.  If it wasn&#8217;t for the fact that fetuses were necessary to continue to populate our species, the fetus could be regarded as no more then a parasite.  They are not people.  The sanctity of life is something that does not apply to all living things.  Fetuses are one of those things.  Humans kill all types of organisms every day without any regard.  A chimp has the ability to reason, show emotion and communicate however we kill chimps for our own benefit every day and their DNA is nearly identical to our own.  A fetus does not think, it does not reason and is, by definition &#8220;unborn&#8221; thereby stripping it of any independence from its mother.  And because of this lack of independence from it&#8217;s host/mother, I firmly believe that the fetus&#8217; rights should be governed by what is allowing it to exist in the first place &#8211; it&#8217;s host/mother.  Not by you and certainly not any church.</p>
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		<title>By: Pelosi to Bishops: drill your brains? &#124; The Anchoress</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pelosi to Bishops: drill your brains? &#124; The Anchoress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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