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		<title>By: Student</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-end-of-independence-day/comment-page-3/#comment-345551</link>
		<dc:creator>Student</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 00:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Gramps C.,

Socialism, as far as I understand, is about eliminating the significance of people as individuals.  Taking away their private property is just the economic part of the picture.  

Christianity teaches that each individual is of great importance to the Creator of the Universe, as you know so well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Gramps C.,</p>
<p>Socialism, as far as I understand, is about eliminating the significance of people as individuals.  Taking away their private property is just the economic part of the picture.  </p>
<p>Christianity teaches that each individual is of great importance to the Creator of the Universe, as you know so well.</p>
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		<title>By: Sunglasses on a cloudy day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sunglasses on a cloudy day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>94.  Gramps Cane

Charity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>94.  Gramps Cane</p>
<p>Charity.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would argue most Americans don&#039;t want Obama to &quot;take care of them&quot; as the author stated.  I&#039;d say most Americans want Obama and the administration to listen to them.  Credit card reform and cigarette bills are two ways in doing so.  

Obama and the world is watching and listening to what&#039;s going on in Iran but it is not our place to take action or interfere.  We&#039;ve been doing that since 1953 and look what happened.  And when the members of the administration say &quot;we won,&quot; it&#039;s not the administration, it&#039;s &quot;we the people.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would argue most Americans don&#8217;t want Obama to &#8220;take care of them&#8221; as the author stated.  I&#8217;d say most Americans want Obama and the administration to listen to them.  Credit card reform and cigarette bills are two ways in doing so.  </p>
<p>Obama and the world is watching and listening to what&#8217;s going on in Iran but it is not our place to take action or interfere.  We&#8217;ve been doing that since 1953 and look what happened.  And when the members of the administration say &#8220;we won,&#8221; it&#8217;s not the administration, it&#8217;s &#8220;we the people.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Rabbit Hutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Rabbit Hutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I grew up hearing my parents and grandparents talk about what it was like living through the Great Depression.  Americans today cannot even imagine what it would be like to live through that again.  

My parents were in their early 20s. One taught at a country school and one worked in the oil fields.  Due to lack of money, schools often had to pay the teachers in chickens and eggs, etc.  Some days all my parents had was 25 cents and hamburgers were a nickel.  Get the picture?  How many 20 &amp; 30 somethings could make it today?  The later generations have gotten too soft.  

But for my parents there was the opportunity to achieve a better life and through hard work they did.  They have been gone over 20 years, but if they were here today, they would be very frightened for the freedoms we are giving up and the dreams we are losing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up hearing my parents and grandparents talk about what it was like living through the Great Depression.  Americans today cannot even imagine what it would be like to live through that again.  </p>
<p>My parents were in their early 20s. One taught at a country school and one worked in the oil fields.  Due to lack of money, schools often had to pay the teachers in chickens and eggs, etc.  Some days all my parents had was 25 cents and hamburgers were a nickel.  Get the picture?  How many 20 &amp; 30 somethings could make it today?  The later generations have gotten too soft.  </p>
<p>But for my parents there was the opportunity to achieve a better life and through hard work they did.  They have been gone over 20 years, but if they were here today, they would be very frightened for the freedoms we are giving up and the dreams we are losing.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article. I like your insight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article. I like your insight.</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Joe Bison:

...the Slovenian Home Guard
was a Nazi auxiliary unit commanded by
German officers that swore allegiance
to Adolf Hitler among other things.

THE ABOVE SENTENCE INDICATES A LIMITED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE HOME GUARD SITUATION. PLEASE READ BOOKS RECOMMENDED BY MARY GRABAR AS WELL AS METOD MILAC&#039;S PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS A STUDENT BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER WORLD WAR II. I BELIEVE AFTER YOUR READING YOU WILL CONCLUDE: THAT THE COMMUNIST PARTISANS COLLABORATED WITH THE NAZIS BEFORE HITLER ATTACKED RUSSIA, AND THEREAFTER, FROM TIME-TO-TIME, AS WAS CONVENIENT FOR THE COMMUNISTS AND NAZIS; THAT THE SLOVENIAN HOME GUARD WAS NOT CREATED BY THE NAZIS; THAT THE HOME GUARD SPONTANEOUSLY AROSE IN THE VILLAGES AS AN INDISPENSABLE &quot;HOME MILITIA&quot; TYPE, SELF-DEFENSE RESPONSE TO THE VIOLENT ACTION OF TITO&#039;S COMMUNIST PARTISANS; THAT THE VIOLENT OPPRESSION BY THE PARTISANS AGAINST THE VILLAGERS WAS FAR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE GERMANS AGAINST THE VILLAGERS WHICH COMPELLED VILLAGERS TO CHOOSE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES BY FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES AGAINST THE COMMUNIST PARTISANS;
THAT OVER TIME THE HOME GUARD GREW AND BECAME MORE ORGANIZED AND RECEIVED ASSISTANCE TO DEFEND AGAINST THE COMMUNIST PARTISANS FROM THE GERMAN ARMY; THAT THE NAZIS ATTEMPTED TO HAVE THE HOME GUARD SIGN AN ALLEGIANCE TO HITLER BUT (AS I RECALL) IT WAS REFUSED BY HOME GUARD MEMBERS (SEE JOZE RANT&#039;S BOOK FOR CLARITY);

These were not freedom fighters by any
stretch.

THEY WERE FREEDOM FIGHTERS TO THE EXTENT THEY PROTECTED HOME AND HEARTH. SLOVENIA AND YUGOSLAVIA WERE NOT MILITARY PRIORITIES FOR EITHER ALLIES OR AXIS POWERS.

You really had to watch over
your shoulder when these type of units
were around especially if you were
Jewish or Orthodox Christian.

PLEASE PROVIDE SOME REFERENCE FOR THIS STATEMENT. I KNOW THAT LJUBLJANA HAD A JEWISH SECTION BEFORE WWII, BEFORE THE NAZI OCCUPATION, AND BEFORE THE COMMUNIST REGIME. DOES LJUBLJANA OR SLOVENIA TODAY HAVE A JEWISH MINORITY? I DON&#039;T THINK SO. WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?

AS TO ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, I CANNOT COMMENT.

MY FATHER, MY UNCLE, MY FATHER-IN-LAW, MY COUSIN, AND MANY OTHERS I KNOW WERE MEMBERS OF THE HOME GUARDS. SOME HAD BEEN DECEIVED INTO JOINING THE PARTISANS WHILE OTHERS WERE FORCIBLY CONSCRIPTED BY THE PARTISANS. ONCE, HOWEVER, THEY SAW THE INHUMANE VIOLENCE, THEY ESCAPED AS SOON AS THEY COULD, AND WENT OVER TO JOIN THE HOME GUARDS.

MY FATHER WAS WOUNDED RESCUING HIS COUSIN IN A FIRE FIGHT AGAINST PARTISANS WHILE DEFENDING HIS VILLAGE. FURTHER, MY FATHER TRANSPORTED THREE DOWNED ALLIED AIRMEN WITH THEIR RADIO THROUGH A VALLEY THAT WAS INFESTED WITH GERMAN TROOPS. THE AIRMEN WERE SECRETED IN HAY ON A HAY WAGON. MY OTHER UNCLE, A TAILOR, WAS NEUTRAL. THE PARTISANS CAME ONE DAY, FORCIBLY MARCHED HIM AND A FEW OTHER LOCAL VILLAGERS A LONG WAY INTO THE MOUNTAINS WHERE THEY WERE EXECUTED. A LOCAL COMMUNIST, ARMED WITH A MACHINE GUN, CAME ONE DAY TO MY FATHER&#039;S HOME, AND THREATENED TO KILL MY GRANDPARENTS AND AUNTS UNLESS THEY DISCLOSED THE LOCATION OF MY FATHER&#039;S MOTORCYCLE WHICH HE THEN STOLE.

This is not to excuse the communists
who of course were murdering b******s,
but this example is equivalent to siding
with Nazi Germany over the Soviet Union
because it was an evil entity. Yugoslavia
if I can use that name, was simply a place
of pure evil during WW2 with no sanctuary
for the innocent.

CONSEQUENTLY, A PERSON HAD TO CHOOSE TO DEFEND HIMSELF OR DIE. THIS IS NOT CHOOSING THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. RATHER, IT IS CHOOSING THAT WHICH IS GOOD - LIFE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Joe Bison:</p>
<p>&#8230;the Slovenian Home Guard<br />
was a Nazi auxiliary unit commanded by<br />
German officers that swore allegiance<br />
to Adolf Hitler among other things.</p>
<p>THE ABOVE SENTENCE INDICATES A LIMITED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF THE HOME GUARD SITUATION. PLEASE READ BOOKS RECOMMENDED BY MARY GRABAR AS WELL AS METOD MILAC&#8217;S PERSONAL ACCOUNT AS A STUDENT BEFORE, DURING, AND AFTER WORLD WAR II. I BELIEVE AFTER YOUR READING YOU WILL CONCLUDE: THAT THE COMMUNIST PARTISANS COLLABORATED WITH THE NAZIS BEFORE HITLER ATTACKED RUSSIA, AND THEREAFTER, FROM TIME-TO-TIME, AS WAS CONVENIENT FOR THE COMMUNISTS AND NAZIS; THAT THE SLOVENIAN HOME GUARD WAS NOT CREATED BY THE NAZIS; THAT THE HOME GUARD SPONTANEOUSLY AROSE IN THE VILLAGES AS AN INDISPENSABLE &#8220;HOME MILITIA&#8221; TYPE, SELF-DEFENSE RESPONSE TO THE VIOLENT ACTION OF TITO&#8217;S COMMUNIST PARTISANS; THAT THE VIOLENT OPPRESSION BY THE PARTISANS AGAINST THE VILLAGERS WAS FAR GREATER THAN THAT OF THE GERMANS AGAINST THE VILLAGERS WHICH COMPELLED VILLAGERS TO CHOOSE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES BY FIGHTING FOR THEIR LIVES AGAINST THE COMMUNIST PARTISANS;<br />
THAT OVER TIME THE HOME GUARD GREW AND BECAME MORE ORGANIZED AND RECEIVED ASSISTANCE TO DEFEND AGAINST THE COMMUNIST PARTISANS FROM THE GERMAN ARMY; THAT THE NAZIS ATTEMPTED TO HAVE THE HOME GUARD SIGN AN ALLEGIANCE TO HITLER BUT (AS I RECALL) IT WAS REFUSED BY HOME GUARD MEMBERS (SEE JOZE RANT&#8217;S BOOK FOR CLARITY);</p>
<p>These were not freedom fighters by any<br />
stretch.</p>
<p>THEY WERE FREEDOM FIGHTERS TO THE EXTENT THEY PROTECTED HOME AND HEARTH. SLOVENIA AND YUGOSLAVIA WERE NOT MILITARY PRIORITIES FOR EITHER ALLIES OR AXIS POWERS.</p>
<p>You really had to watch over<br />
your shoulder when these type of units<br />
were around especially if you were<br />
Jewish or Orthodox Christian.</p>
<p>PLEASE PROVIDE SOME REFERENCE FOR THIS STATEMENT. I KNOW THAT LJUBLJANA HAD A JEWISH SECTION BEFORE WWII, BEFORE THE NAZI OCCUPATION, AND BEFORE THE COMMUNIST REGIME. DOES LJUBLJANA OR SLOVENIA TODAY HAVE A JEWISH MINORITY? I DON&#8217;T THINK SO. WHAT HAPPENED TO IT?</p>
<p>AS TO ORTHODOX CHRISTIANS, I CANNOT COMMENT.</p>
<p>MY FATHER, MY UNCLE, MY FATHER-IN-LAW, MY COUSIN, AND MANY OTHERS I KNOW WERE MEMBERS OF THE HOME GUARDS. SOME HAD BEEN DECEIVED INTO JOINING THE PARTISANS WHILE OTHERS WERE FORCIBLY CONSCRIPTED BY THE PARTISANS. ONCE, HOWEVER, THEY SAW THE INHUMANE VIOLENCE, THEY ESCAPED AS SOON AS THEY COULD, AND WENT OVER TO JOIN THE HOME GUARDS.</p>
<p>MY FATHER WAS WOUNDED RESCUING HIS COUSIN IN A FIRE FIGHT AGAINST PARTISANS WHILE DEFENDING HIS VILLAGE. FURTHER, MY FATHER TRANSPORTED THREE DOWNED ALLIED AIRMEN WITH THEIR RADIO THROUGH A VALLEY THAT WAS INFESTED WITH GERMAN TROOPS. THE AIRMEN WERE SECRETED IN HAY ON A HAY WAGON. MY OTHER UNCLE, A TAILOR, WAS NEUTRAL. THE PARTISANS CAME ONE DAY, FORCIBLY MARCHED HIM AND A FEW OTHER LOCAL VILLAGERS A LONG WAY INTO THE MOUNTAINS WHERE THEY WERE EXECUTED. A LOCAL COMMUNIST, ARMED WITH A MACHINE GUN, CAME ONE DAY TO MY FATHER&#8217;S HOME, AND THREATENED TO KILL MY GRANDPARENTS AND AUNTS UNLESS THEY DISCLOSED THE LOCATION OF MY FATHER&#8217;S MOTORCYCLE WHICH HE THEN STOLE.</p>
<p>This is not to excuse the communists<br />
who of course were murdering b******s,<br />
but this example is equivalent to siding<br />
with Nazi Germany over the Soviet Union<br />
because it was an evil entity. Yugoslavia<br />
if I can use that name, was simply a place<br />
of pure evil during WW2 with no sanctuary<br />
for the innocent.</p>
<p>CONSEQUENTLY, A PERSON HAD TO CHOOSE TO DEFEND HIMSELF OR DIE. THIS IS NOT CHOOSING THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS. RATHER, IT IS CHOOSING THAT WHICH IS GOOD &#8211; LIFE.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly Thurman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly Thurman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you are not alone!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you are not alone!</p>
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		<title>By: Anton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Dave&#039;s comment to Mary:

&quot;If you don’t like it here, go back to Slovenia.

If you do not support our President, our Commander In Chief, in a time of war, you are nothing more than a traitor who hates our troops!&quot;

Recall that Senator Barack Hussein Obama openly, repeatedly, and vociferously did not support President G.W. Bush, our Commander-in-Chief, in a time of war. According to your logic, Senator Obama was &quot;nothing more than a traitor who hates our troops!&quot; Further, according to your logic, since Senator Obama did not like it here as a result of his failure to support our President, one can only conclude that Senator Obama should have gone back to Kenya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Dave&#8217;s comment to Mary:</p>
<p>&#8220;If you don’t like it here, go back to Slovenia.</p>
<p>If you do not support our President, our Commander In Chief, in a time of war, you are nothing more than a traitor who hates our troops!&#8221;</p>
<p>Recall that Senator Barack Hussein Obama openly, repeatedly, and vociferously did not support President G.W. Bush, our Commander-in-Chief, in a time of war. According to your logic, Senator Obama was &#8220;nothing more than a traitor who hates our troops!&#8221; Further, according to your logic, since Senator Obama did not like it here as a result of his failure to support our President, one can only conclude that Senator Obama should have gone back to Kenya.</p>
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		<title>By: ked5</title>
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		<dc:creator>ked5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. David Thomson:
 Day.”

Barack Obama is a fascist. He is trying to impose a benevolent dictatorship 


~~~~

Change benevolent to malevolent and you&#039;re there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. David Thomson:<br />
 Day.”</p>
<p>Barack Obama is a fascist. He is trying to impose a benevolent dictatorship </p>
<p>~~~~</p>
<p>Change benevolent to malevolent and you&#8217;re there.</p>
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		<title>By: Gramps Cane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gramps Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 05:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>87. David K.

I do not know if you are a patriot but totally ignorant of the Constitution, the history of our country, and the real differences between Capitalism and Communism, or if you are just having fun playing the devil’s advocate.  Either way the position you are espousing is untenable.   Here’s my suggestion.  Read the constitution – all of it.  Read it slowly and carefully.  Likewise, peruse the Federalist Papers.  If you understand them, you will see the problem at hand.  Our Armed Forces take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.  But Mr. Obama and most of our current Congress are domestic enemies of the Constitution.  Which part of the oath do they keep?  This is not a rhetorical question.  I fear (and desperately hope that I am wrong) that the time is soon coming when they will have to choose between obeying the Commander-in-Chief and obeying the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>87. David K.</p>
<p>I do not know if you are a patriot but totally ignorant of the Constitution, the history of our country, and the real differences between Capitalism and Communism, or if you are just having fun playing the devil’s advocate.  Either way the position you are espousing is untenable.   Here’s my suggestion.  Read the constitution – all of it.  Read it slowly and carefully.  Likewise, peruse the Federalist Papers.  If you understand them, you will see the problem at hand.  Our Armed Forces take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of The United States against all enemies, both foreign and domestic.  But Mr. Obama and most of our current Congress are domestic enemies of the Constitution.  Which part of the oath do they keep?  This is not a rhetorical question.  I fear (and desperately hope that I am wrong) that the time is soon coming when they will have to choose between obeying the Commander-in-Chief and obeying the Constitution.</p>
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