Comments on: The EU’s Weak Response to Russian Aggression http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:12:59 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: John Samford http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-96205 John Samford Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:44:54 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-96205 Poul; This is what we call the straight skinny here in America. Read it and weep; http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php The trouble with agi=prop campaigns is they eventually run out of steam and the facts float to the top. Russian Bear, the problem with your statement is that Russia IS NOT a great power. It is a turd world kleptocracy with nuclear weapons. I doubt that Russia has the population base to be a great power anymore. If the Russians were concerned about being a great power, they would drop the despotic rulers and go with consensual rule. They choose not to and the Tyrant Putin seized power and it is doubtful that the Russian people will ever get it back. Did you ever think that maybe if Russia was a democracy, people would WANT to join Russia and you wouldn't have to send in the tanks? They still there? 19 days and counting. Poul;
This is what we call the straight skinny here in America. Read it and weep;

http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php

The trouble with agi=prop campaigns is they eventually run out of steam and the facts float to the top.

Russian Bear, the problem with your statement is that Russia IS NOT a great power. It is a turd world kleptocracy with nuclear weapons.
I doubt that Russia has the population base to be a great power anymore. If the Russians were concerned about being a great power, they would drop the despotic rulers and go with consensual rule. They choose not to and the Tyrant Putin seized power and it is doubtful that the Russian people will ever get it back. Did you ever think that maybe if Russia was a democracy, people would WANT to join Russia and you wouldn’t have to send in the tanks?

They still there? 19 days and counting.

]]> By: Steynian 230 « Free Mark Steyn! http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95851 Steynian 230 « Free Mark Steyn! Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:05:27 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95851 [...] JELLYFISH-TIME: The EU’s Weak Response to Russian Aggression …. [...] [...] JELLYFISH-TIME: The EU’s Weak Response to Russian Aggression …. [...]

]]> By: colleen http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95753 colleen Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:16:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95753 <i>"If anyone thinks that they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this,” he rumbled. “If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response. We have all the necessary resources, political, economic, and military." Consider yourselves warned.</i> A+ Truly a government that cares about its people. “If anyone thinks that they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this,” he rumbled. “If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response. We have all the necessary resources, political, economic, and military.” Consider yourselves warned.

A+

Truly a government that cares about its people.

]]> By: Russian Bear http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95478 Russian Bear Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:30:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95478 <i>"The Russians justified their military intervention with reference to the situation of ethnic Russian residents of South Ossetia and Abkhazia..."</i> The author is not aware that the residents of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not "ethnic Russian". They are Ossetians and Abkhazians. By their physical features, culturally and linguistically they are even more distinctive from Russians than from Georgians. Yes, most of them have Russian citizenship. Russia allowed Russian citizenship and passports to any former USSR citizen, who chosen to take it. Because Russia is a legal heir to the USSR. That was Abkhazians and Ossetians own choice. Russia did not bribed them, was not forcing them. They all had Georgian citizenship, but were not happy with it. Georgians should get along better with their national minorities... “The Russians justified their military intervention with reference to the situation of ethnic Russian residents of South Ossetia and Abkhazia…”

The author is not aware that the residents of South Ossetia and Abkhazia are not “ethnic Russian”. They are Ossetians and Abkhazians. By their physical features, culturally and linguistically they are even more distinctive from Russians than from Georgians. Yes, most of them have Russian citizenship. Russia allowed Russian citizenship and passports to any former USSR citizen, who chosen to take it. Because Russia is a legal heir to the USSR.
That was Abkhazians and Ossetians own choice. Russia did not bribed them, was not forcing them. They all had Georgian citizenship, but were not happy with it. Georgians should get along better with their national minorities…

]]> By: Russian Bear http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95476 Russian Bear Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:13:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95476 <i>“It seems the Russians were doing the same thing in Chechnya that Georgia was doing in S. Ossetia. So what is the problem?</i> No problems at all. "What is allowed for Jupiter may not be allowed for a bull". Same with the USA attacking Iraq in 2003. Great powers do what they want and can afford. And they can afford a lot. The weaker powers must think first. They can do what the great powers allow them to do. The West and the USA in particular must be grateful to Russia for her role in Chechnya. Otherwise the Chechen would create another Taliban state in the North Caucasus, and provide a safe haven for Osama Ben Landen there. And the Caucasus is a much better hiding place then even Afghanistan. Yeah, right. M-4. Why did you Americans named M-4 the model developed AFTER M-16? Do you have count problem? Or it was one quarter of M-16 in size? What is wrong with my accent? I am a foreigner. I have the right to speak with accent. As about the article, the EU's response is an adequate one. It is not the kind of aggression like the USA invasion in Iraq. It is a local, low scale, limited objective, short-term conflict which anyway is going to be over itself. “It seems the Russians were doing the same thing in Chechnya that Georgia was doing in S. Ossetia. So what is the problem?

No problems at all. “What is allowed for Jupiter may not be allowed for a bull”.

Same with the USA attacking Iraq in 2003. Great powers do what they want and can afford. And they can afford a lot. The weaker powers must think first. They can do what the great powers allow them to do. The West and the USA in particular must be grateful to Russia for her role in Chechnya. Otherwise the Chechen would create another Taliban state in the North Caucasus, and provide a safe haven for Osama Ben Landen there. And the Caucasus is a much better hiding place then even Afghanistan.

Yeah, right. M-4. Why did you Americans named M-4 the model developed AFTER M-16? Do you have count problem? Or it was one quarter of M-16 in size?

What is wrong with my accent? I am a foreigner. I have the right to speak with accent.

As about the article, the EU’s response is an adequate one. It is not the kind of aggression like the USA invasion in Iraq. It is a local, low scale, limited objective, short-term conflict which anyway is going to be over itself.

]]> By: Jim http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95310 Jim Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:46:46 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95310 "“If anyone thinks that they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this,” he rumbled. “If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response. We have all the necessary resources, political, economic, and military.” Consider yourselves warned." Yeah, warned to get rid of any and all Russian citizens on your soil, whatever it takes. "It seems the Russians were doing the same thing in Chechnya that Georgia was doing in S. Ossetia. So what is the problem? Does the shoe pinch when it’;s on the other foot?' Without all the collapsing buildings and dead civilians, though. Or at least that's what Human Rights Watch reports. "They have proven that AK-47 still beats M-17. " What's an M-17? Is that supopsed to be the replacement for the M-16? The replacement for the M-16 is the M-4. In any case it's immaterial, because the Geoprgians were mostly carrying AK's anyway, at least in all the photos I have seen. And should I read you too in an outrageous and stereotyped Russian accent? ""The next step will be political one." Quite. The US will recognize China's obviously well-grounded claim to all of Siberia and the former Soviet Far East. ““If anyone thinks that they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this,” he rumbled. “If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response. We have all the necessary resources, political, economic, and military.” Consider yourselves warned.”

Yeah, warned to get rid of any and all Russian citizens on your soil, whatever it takes.

“It seems the Russians were doing the same thing in Chechnya that Georgia was doing in S. Ossetia. So what is the problem? Does the shoe pinch when it’;s on the other foot?’

Without all the collapsing buildings and dead civilians, though. Or at least that’s what Human Rights Watch reports.

“They have proven that AK-47 still beats M-17. ”

What’s an M-17? Is that supopsed to be the replacement for the M-16? The replacement for the M-16 is the M-4. In any case it’s immaterial, because the Geoprgians were mostly carrying AK’s anyway, at least in all the photos I have seen. And should I read you too in an outrageous and stereotyped Russian accent?

“”The next step will be political one.”

Quite. The US will recognize China’s obviously well-grounded claim to all of Siberia and the former Soviet Far East.

]]> By: Jim http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95309 Jim Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:41:05 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95309 "“If anyone thinks that they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this,” he rumbled. “If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response. We have all the necessary resources, political, economic, and military.” Consider yourselves warned." Yeah, warned to get rid of any and all Russian citizens on your soil, whatever it takes. "It seems the Russians were doing the same thing in Chechnya that Georgia was doing in S. Ossetia. So what is the problem? Does the shoe pinch when it’;s on the other foot?' Without all the collapsing buildings and dead civilians, though. Or at least that's what Human Rights Watch reports. "They have proven that AK-47 still beats M-17. " What's an M-17? Is that supopsed to be the replacement for the M-16? The replacement for the M-16 is the M-4. In any case it's immaterial, because the Geoprgians were mostly carrying AK's anyway, at least in all the photos I have seen. And should I read you too in an outrageous and stereotyped Russian accent? ““If anyone thinks that they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this,” he rumbled. “If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response. We have all the necessary resources, political, economic, and military.” Consider yourselves warned.”

Yeah, warned to get rid of any and all Russian citizens on your soil, whatever it takes.

“It seems the Russians were doing the same thing in Chechnya that Georgia was doing in S. Ossetia. So what is the problem? Does the shoe pinch when it’;s on the other foot?’

Without all the collapsing buildings and dead civilians, though. Or at least that’s what Human Rights Watch reports.

“They have proven that AK-47 still beats M-17. ”

What’s an M-17? Is that supopsed to be the replacement for the M-16? The replacement for the M-16 is the M-4. In any case it’s immaterial, because the Geoprgians were mostly carrying AK’s anyway, at least in all the photos I have seen. And should I read you too in an outrageous and stereotyped Russian accent?

]]> By: Russian Bear http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95149 Russian Bear Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:55:18 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95149 Russians have achieved their objectives: They punished Georgia for the policy of joining NATO and bringing the USA to the S. Caucasus, Russian doorstep (which was unavoidable anyway). They humiliated the Georgian Saakashvilly regime or government, whatever, for the "f*-ck you, Russians" attitude. They humiliated the USA instructors who provided training to the Georgian Army. They have proven that AK-47 still beats M-17. The military operation is over, but not the punishment. The next step will be political one. Russia is going to recognize independence of S. Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia provide them Russian protection and set political, economical and military ties with them. Now, you can get your stripped Georgia with all her guts and oil pipes to the NATO. I hope the Georgian Army will significantly increase NATO fighting capability. Russians have achieved their objectives:

They punished Georgia for the policy of joining NATO and bringing the USA to the S. Caucasus, Russian doorstep (which was unavoidable anyway).
They humiliated the Georgian Saakashvilly regime or government, whatever, for the “f*-ck you, Russians” attitude. They humiliated the USA instructors who provided training to the Georgian Army. They have proven that AK-47 still beats M-17. The military operation is over, but not the punishment. The next step will be political one. Russia is going to recognize independence of S. Ossetia and Abkhazia from Georgia provide them Russian protection and set political, economical and military ties with them. Now, you can get your stripped Georgia with all her guts and oil pipes to the NATO. I hope the Georgian Army will significantly increase NATO fighting capability.

]]> By: Per http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95112 Per Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:58:42 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95112 You can make fun of European soft power as much as you'd like. Funny thing is, though, that US "hard power" isn't worth that much either when Russia goes to war in its own neighbourhood. You can make fun of European soft power as much as you’d like. Funny thing is, though, that US “hard power” isn’t worth that much either when Russia goes to war in its own neighbourhood.

]]> By: Saltherring http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/comment-page-1/#comment-95097 Saltherring Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:22:09 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-eus-weak-response-to-russian-aggression/#comment-95097 "EU diplomats are fond of implying that Americans are from Mars, forever sabre-rattling and warning of air strikes, while Europeans are from Venus, preferring saturation love-bombing of their targets." Don't get your hopes up, Europe. The Russians are from Uranus. “EU diplomats are fond of implying that Americans are from Mars, forever sabre-rattling and warning of air strikes, while Europeans are from Venus, preferring saturation love-bombing of their targets.”

Don’t get your hopes up, Europe. The Russians are from Uranus.

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