Comments on: The Horrific New Sharia Mini-State http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:16:58 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Blackwater http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-239404 Blackwater Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:15:12 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-239404 The lesson from Swat Pakistan is clear and old as dirt: Give the islamists an inch and they'll take a mile. Nobody should ever make concessions to islamists. Not Irael with the islaimists in the Palestinian territories, not America with al queda, not coalition forces with the taliban, not Lebanon with hezbollah, etc. We also need to come together to defeat islamofacism like we did with communism. We need the same level of effort and resolve. We need to embark upon a secularization effort targeted specifically at islam. No other religion condones and encourages using militay force to spread their religion. It's time we stop being politically correct and recognize that ugly truth. If these islamists had the military might to spread their religion by force to the entire world they would. Islam itself is a facist and imperialistic ideology. It's time we treat it like one rather than treating it like the other worlds great religions like Christianity and Buddhism. The lesson from Swat Pakistan is clear and old as dirt: Give the islamists an inch and they’ll take a mile. Nobody should ever make concessions to islamists. Not Irael with the islaimists in the Palestinian territories, not America with al queda, not coalition forces with the taliban, not Lebanon with hezbollah, etc. We also need to come together to defeat islamofacism like we did with communism. We need the same level of effort and resolve. We need to embark upon a secularization effort targeted specifically at islam. No other religion condones and encourages using militay force to spread their religion. It’s time we stop being politically correct and recognize that ugly truth. If these islamists had the military might to spread their religion by force to the entire world they would. Islam itself is a facist and imperialistic ideology. It’s time we treat it like one rather than treating it like the other worlds great religions like Christianity and Buddhism.

]]> By: ked5 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-239358 ked5 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:20:24 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-239358 My point was, this is not limited to taliban muslims in muslim countires. this is a muslim practice, and those who object are seen as rebellious. My point was, this is not limited to taliban muslims in muslim countires. this is a muslim practice, and those who object are seen as rebellious.

]]> By: ked5 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-239353 ked5 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:06:11 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-239353 No mother or father alive can watch the video without experiencing sheer revulsion and hatred for the men responsible. ~~~~~~~~~~ Actually, there are any number of news stories of muslim fathers (in Europe, Israel, and the US) who've done worse to their own daughters. all in the name of "honor". No mother or father alive can watch the video without experiencing sheer revulsion and hatred for the men responsible.

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Actually, there are any number of news stories of muslim fathers (in Europe, Israel, and the US) who’ve done worse to their own daughters. all in the name of “honor”.

]]> By: ked5 http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-239337 ked5 Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:49:48 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-239337 a little less than a year ago, Kenya held elections, and the muslim candidate lost. riots exploded. obama went to Kenya, supporting his cousin Odinga in imposing sharia law in a "minority" muslim country. a little less than a year ago, Kenya held elections, and the muslim candidate lost. riots exploded. obama went to Kenya, supporting his cousin Odinga in imposing sharia law in a “minority” muslim country.

]]> By: Linda Mae http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-238902 Linda Mae Fri, 10 Apr 2009 03:47:49 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-238902 Google Fitna and watch the 16 minute documentary to see what life is like for those who are not "good" Moslems. I thank God that my nephew's wife was able to leave Iran in 1995 because her mom realized the dangers living in that country. We need to write to our Congressmen and our media expressing outrage that they do not cover this behavior. Google Fitna and watch the 16 minute documentary to see what life is like for those who are not “good” Moslems. I thank God that my nephew’s wife was able to leave Iran in 1995 because her mom realized the dangers living in that country. We need to write to our Congressmen and our media expressing outrage that they do not cover this behavior.

]]> By: Oscar the Grump http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-238737 Oscar the Grump Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:17:43 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-238737 Talking about this mini-state, this video of a girl being beaten is nothing. I have a video where these same bearers of justice decapitate a half dozen men and stand proudly enjoying being video taped. Its so bad that when I showed it to my wife, she became ill. Talking about this mini-state, this video of a girl being beaten is nothing. I have a video where these same bearers of justice decapitate a half dozen men and stand proudly enjoying being video taped. Its so bad that when I showed it to my wife, she became ill.

]]> By: kelly k http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-238528 kelly k Thu, 09 Apr 2009 17:25:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-238528 "... the need for distinguishing 'moderate' Islamists from their more extreme and primitive counterparts." If they did a better job of distinguishing themselves, the pragmatists wouldn't have to expend so much energy insisting that there is a distinction. “… the need for distinguishing ‘moderate’ Islamists from their more extreme and primitive counterparts.”

If they did a better job of distinguishing themselves, the pragmatists wouldn’t have to expend so much energy insisting that there is a distinction.

]]> By: LynnS http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-238364 LynnS Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:47:31 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-238364 #19 Peggy Hear! Hear! If anyone is interested in President Obama's opinion of Afghanistan and Sharia Law sneaking in, here it is.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceP3VAgR4qo Respect the customs people! Respect Islam! Same old, same old. #19 Peggy

Hear! Hear!

If anyone is interested in President Obama’s opinion of Afghanistan and Sharia Law sneaking in, here it is….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceP3VAgR4qo

Respect the customs people! Respect Islam! Same old, same old.

]]> By: Meryl http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-238260 Meryl Thu, 09 Apr 2009 10:09:16 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-238260 PatriotUSA: Your last sentence says it well. Islam is not and never was "just another religion". It is, simultaneously, a domineering and cruel religion (especially to its adherents) and a totalitarian form of government. Islam was never intended to be "just a religion". The intention and design of Islam was and is to subjugate (or behead) anyone who disagrees and then, once successful in that, continue to subjugate (and let the beatings begin) those who surrender. In this (still free) land of bookstores and libraries, anyone who refuses to educate themselves about the historical and contemporary record of Islam is part of the problem. PatriotUSA: Your last sentence says it well.

Islam is not and never was “just another religion”. It is, simultaneously, a domineering and cruel religion (especially to its adherents) and a totalitarian form of government.

Islam was never intended to be “just a religion”.

The intention and design of Islam was and is to subjugate (or behead) anyone who disagrees and then, once successful in that, continue to subjugate (and let the beatings begin) those who surrender.

In this (still free) land of bookstores and libraries, anyone who refuses to educate themselves about the historical and contemporary record of Islam is part of the problem.

]]> By: PatriotUSA http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-fallacy-of-trying-to-negotiate-with-moderate-islamists/comment-page-1/#comment-238172 PatriotUSA Thu, 09 Apr 2009 06:01:40 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=52323#comment-238172 We should remind ourselves of the girl from Swat every time some “pragmatist” such as Fareed Zakaria or President Obama himself sounds the need for distinguishing “moderate” Islamists from their more extreme and primitive counterparts. Not only is this a self-serving dichotomy, focusing on whether a group’s avowed aim is attacking the West or just oppressively ruling the roost at home, but it invites the unconscionable flagellation of human rights. So why is anyone surprised about the results the world is seeing in the Swat region? Here you have it, sharia law, the same one that people in the obuma administration are saying should be integrated in with US law. Got that? No, we MOST LIKELY will not see young women being beaten for such trivial offenses but sharia law is sharia law. Just like the mistake that the paks made, the one the US and other countries gave their not so silent approval of...when the paks give in to the taliban and gave them the Swat region to terrorize. Women under islam in general do not fare well. Women under islam and enforced sharia law are living in hell. Since when are there moderate muslims?? How do you separate them from the militant ones? You can't. In the mullah obamaham's world this is what he is reaching out to. You cannot remove sharia from islam and islam cannot be removed from sharia. Jihad is jihad folks. Read Ibn Warraq's book "The Legacy of Jihad", islamic holy war and the fate of non-muslims. It will show the true face of jihad, sharia, persecution, subjugation of women, slaves, captives after and under islamic conquest. islam is AT WAR with us and has been since the 7th century. mullah obamaham and his musse sympathizing dhimmi stooges can keep their collective heads where the sun does not shine and pretend that we are not a war with islam. For many of us see things quite differently. islam equals war against infidels, kuffars. That makes islam my and should be your enemy. Read the qur'an, hadith and suras. Yes, I have and I close with this: There is no peace within islam, and with islam there can be no peace. We should remind ourselves of the girl from Swat every time some “pragmatist” such as Fareed Zakaria or President Obama himself sounds the need for distinguishing “moderate” Islamists from their more extreme and primitive counterparts. Not only is this a self-serving dichotomy, focusing on whether a group’s avowed aim is attacking the West or just oppressively ruling the roost at home, but it invites the unconscionable flagellation of human rights.

So why is anyone surprised about the results the world is seeing in the Swat region? Here you have it, sharia law, the same one that people in the obuma administration are saying
should be integrated in with US law. Got that?
No, we MOST LIKELY will not see young women being beaten for such trivial offenses but sharia law is sharia law. Just like the mistake that the paks made, the one the US and other countries gave their not so silent approval of…when the paks give in to the taliban and gave them the Swat region to terrorize. Women under islam in general do not fare well. Women under islam and enforced sharia law are living in hell.

Since when are there moderate muslims?? How do you separate them from the militant ones? You can’t. In the mullah obamaham’s world this is what he is reaching out to. You cannot remove sharia from islam and islam cannot be removed from sharia. Jihad is jihad folks. Read Ibn Warraq’s book “The Legacy of Jihad”, islamic holy war and the fate of non-muslims. It will show the true face of jihad, sharia, persecution, subjugation of women, slaves, captives after and under islamic conquest. islam is AT WAR with us and has been since the 7th century. mullah obamaham and his musse sympathizing dhimmi stooges can keep their collective heads where the sun does not shine and pretend that we are not a war with islam. For many of us see things quite differently. islam equals war against infidels, kuffars. That makes islam my and should be your enemy. Read the qur’an, hadith and suras. Yes, I have and I close with this:

There is no peace within islam, and with islam there can be no peace.

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