Britain’s New Neo-Nazi Star
A media circus starring the Holocaust-denying, openly racist leader of an openly racist party.
British television viewers were last week treated to the extraordinary spectacle of the openly racist leader of an openly racist party — and a Holocaust denier to boot — appearing on a prime-time political panel show, on which he attempted to defend his mostly indefensible views in the face of an onslaught from hostile fellow panel members and an even more hostile studio audience.
Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party and recently elected member of the European Parliament, appeared on the BBC’s Question Time after BBC bosses refused to give in to pressure to exclude him. The result was an entirely predictable media circus, with Griffin jeered at every turn while anti-racism campaigners battled with police outside the studio.
It’s hard to know what the BBC’s motives were. Perhaps they really were playing by the rules and acknowledging Griffin’s right to be heard. Perhaps the leftists who run the BBC thought they were cleverly giving Griffin enough rope to hang himself. Or perhaps, as this story in the UK’s Telegraph suggests, they simply wanted to generate publicity and boost the ratings for Question Time — both of which they succeeded spectacularly in doing.
Even among the majority who are opposed to the BNP, opinion on Griffin’s appearance was sharply divided. In one camp were those who said that by allowing the BNP to share a platform with mainstream politicians, the BBC was giving the party respectability and a public relations coup. On the other side were those who said that, no matter how odious its views, the BNP had a right to be heard, and that banning the party would allow it to don the cloak of free speech martyrs and drive its support underground. And, they argued, allowing the party to spout its nonsense would expose its members for what they truly are and drive away potential supporters.
Depending on which report you believe, Griffin’s appearance was either a spectacular victory for the BNP or a spectacular failure. The reality is that it was probably neither. Those who either supported or opposed the BNP will have had their attitudes hardened, while a few undecideds may have been persuaded one way or the other.
Outside of the BNP’s relatively small number of supporters, opposition to the party and its policies is overwhelming, both among people of all political stripes and those not ordinarily concerned with politics. Yet it was old-school, hard-left Labour politicians, left-wing commentators, and pressure groups who most vociferously demanded that the BNP should be censored.
Why such palpitations from the left, when so many Britons oppose the BNP so emphatically? The answer is to be found in a poll conducted for the Telegraph in the wake of Griffin’s sixty minutes of infamy. More than a fifth of voters said they would “seriously consider” voting for the BNP — a troubling number, but, assuming that perhaps half of that group make good on their threat, not enough to enable the party to extend its representation beyond the current scattering of local councillors and two Euro MPs. But the more telling statistic was that more than half of those questioned thought the BNP “had a point.”
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1. Proud_Kafir7908:while anti-racism campaigners battled with police outside the studio.
This could have described better what those people stand for if it said while pro-sharia and pro-islamization of the West campaigners battled with police outside the studio. After all, whenever anyone dares to protest against sharia courts and the islamization/opensewerization of the UK, they’re attacked both by police and by gangs of such hardcore, anti-democratic, pro-islamization fascists.
Oct 28, 2009 - 1:03 am 2. Sonja:What’s so repellent about pointing out who the indigenous people of the British Isles are? What next…the French, Italians, and Germans are not indigenous to Europe?!
Oct 28, 2009 - 2:11 am 3. Ruvy:For all my real ignorance of British politics, it appears that two writers at Pajamas Media have made virtually the same points about Nick Griffin: he represents an angry common man against the arrogant intellectual and propertied élite that is imposing an unwanted multi-culti society on England.
My own acquaintances are mostly of minorities in the UK, either the “second class” Ulster-folk who are looked down on in England, or the children of Indian immigrants to the UK who have made good. The Ulster-folk would not be seriously affected by the BNP, were it to come to power, but my other aquaintances would be. They have good reason to be worried about these neo-Nazis who are inheriting the English political system because of the defaulting Labour, Tory and “Liberal Democratic” politicians who have been bullied into silence in creating Eurabia in Britain.
For me personally, there is a certain amount of schadenfreude in seeing this happen to a nation that has made itself an enemy of Israel and the Jewish People for reasons that I have made clear elsewhere, and need not repeat here. But I do fear for my friends of Indian descent who live there, good British citizens and loyal subjects of the Crown.
My friends in Ulster, frankly, would be better off in the Republic of Ireland, where a huge Protestant minority could keep the Dail Eirann in line in protecting their rights, while injecting an industrial base into the country. Now all they are are special pleaders from the poor pri=ovince of Northern Ireland, a Britsh version of Puerto Rico to the United Kingdom, with just a few MP’s a in parliament that could care less about them.
Oct 28, 2009 - 2:58 am 4. Brett_McS:What a clueless article.
Better to read Melanie Phillips on this subject.
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:08 am 5. Brett_McS:I should also point out for the clueless author that the BNP, being against free trade (protectionist) and in favour of increased government intervention in the economy, is actually of the left – as indeed were their forebears, the Italian and German Fascist parties – as Jonah Goldberg has so amply demonstrated.
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:11 am 6. ehunter:British culture is superior. Its values went out to build the most successful nations on the planet. USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand. Every country that was
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:13 am 7. Old Soldier:touched by British Imperialism was better for it. There would never have even been an India without the British conception of such a country coming first.
Now we are told that this culture must sacrifice itself to Islam and the Third World or else its “racist”. Long live racism I say.
Judging by the clip – obviously a sample size, I didn’t hear any racism or Nazism from the BNP. Wanting to preserve British culture and values isn’t racism – more like patriotism. Suspicion of radical Islamic immigrants isn’t racism either – just common sense.
I don’t know many British politicians, but I have heard plenty about the despicable Jack Straw. It was enjoyable to hear him get a good smashing. I’m not surprised his father was a cowardly traitor.
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:34 am 8. Old Soldier:It’s funny to hear an opposition politician in the UK called a Nazi. Like the current government and their anti-semetic press aren’t already there.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1222777/The-raid-rocked-Met-Why-gun-drugs-op-6-717-safety-deposit-boxes-cost-taxpayer-fortune.html
Oct 28, 2009 - 5:24 am 9. Frank:So what’s “right wing” about “Nazism”? What’s right wing about the statist social programs that Nick Griffen and the BNP want to implement solely for the white population of Britain?
You shouldn’t be talking about politics if you can’t even differentiate between left and right.
Oct 28, 2009 - 6:18 am 10. Brian Richard Allen:Britain’s New socialist on the “far, far right” is, of course, as is every other neo-modified-Marxist (national-socialist — AKA fascist — that is) but another common garden loony Lefty.
By any other name: communists, socialists, progressives, statists, imperialists, Marxists, cronyists, Trotskyists, Stalinists, Labour0ites, fascists, (il)liberals, “Democrats,” corporatists, statists, mercantilists, national-socialists, Nazis. Every gang but a variation of every other.
Every one of them but a branch of the Left and the agent of Tyranny.
Every one of them the deadly enemy of Life, of Individual Liberty, of Private Property, of FRee Enterprise, of Capitalism — and, in the end, of Human Civilization.
Oct 28, 2009 - 6:24 am 11. ella:Andrew Neather boasted recently in London Evening Standard :”It didn’t just happen: the deliberate policy of ministers from late 2000 until at least February last year, when the Government introduced a points-based system, was to open up the UK to mass migration….The results in London, and especially for middle-class Londoners, have been highly positive. It’s not simply a question of foreign nannies, cleaners and gardeners – although frankly it’s hard to see how the capital could function without them. Their place [immigrants] certainly wouldn’t be taken by unemployed BNP voters from Barking or Burnley – fascist au pair, anyone? Immigrants are everywhere and in all sorts of jobs, many of them skilled…..I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended – even if this wasn’t its main purpose – to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:12 am 12. bibio44:******
. When I read what Neather wrote I was terrified. Politicians lie and cheat but this deliberate policy of force-feeding multiculturalism to British people is far too much. I am not surprised that Brits now vote for right wing party. They were lied to for nine years. What I am afraid of is that the pendulum will swing the other way. From multiculturalism to hatred of aliens. And I am afraid that many east-Europeans who are now working in Britain may have to leave Britain. Even if they are well-integrated, even if they work hard. Because many other immigrants don’t want to integrate, don’t want to learn the language and they have all privileges they should not have. And for that I blame the ridiculous Labour policies of immigration without any control.
“Britain’s New Star on the Far, Far Right”
5. Brett_McS: I should also point out for the clueless author that the BNP … is actually of the left….”
9. Frank: ‘So what’s “right wing” about “Nazism”?’
10. Brian Richard Allen: ‘Britain’s New socialist on the “far, far right” is, of course … but another common garden loony Lefty.’
Mr. McNally, if you hope to keep blogging for PJM you MUST learn that there is NO FAR, FAR RIGHT! The right is comprised only of liberty loving patriots. Period. Do I make myself clear?
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:24 am 13. digitalis:So now we have arrived at the point where to preserve one’s way of life, one’s country and culture is an odious endeavor? This is madness. Muticulturalim is a fake concept meant to destroy Western culture and is a Marxist tool of of oppression and destruction. You have to be brain dead not to see it by now. It is a homicidal tactic and those who are not willing to sacrifice themselves and commit suicide on the altar of muticulturalism must be marginalized and silenced. Poeple have a right to preserve themselves and defend what they love and hold dear. It is their contry after all and does not belong to the “world”. That would be like telling people who move into my neighborhood they have a right to my house and to throw my family out on the street. It makes so much sense and is so logical that those who defy this reasoning must be driven by their own power lust. Griffin has sullied the thrust of his arguments by being a Holocaust denier and he stupid embrace of this idea will give his enemies fodder to detroy the other sound ideas he has expressed. We are at this point in this country. For too long we have watched other people from other cultures coming here and demanding we conform to them. Doubt it? Did you ever think it was possible that SHARIA LAW would be openly considered as part and parcel of our Western legal system? And did you ever think that if we objected we would be called the usual barrage of names meant to silence and destroy? The fact of the matter is multiculturalism IS THE TOOL OF HATE and not the other way around.
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:28 am 14. PeterRice:The BNP is a far LEFT wing party as were all of the fascist parties to include the NAZIs.
The political spectrum goes from libertarian and no government types on the far right to conservatives to moderates to Democrats to socialists to Marxist and fascists on the far Left.
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:32 am 15. Realist:Don’t bother the Conservative Party! They are focusing on the important issues, such as limiting holiday travel by air for British citizens, to curb global warmening.
(Using air travel to bring your illiterate first cousin from Pakistan so you can marry her will still be perfectly OK, of course.)
From The Telegraph:
The Conservatives will also suggest – most controversially of all – rationing individuals to as little as a single short-haul flight each year; any further journeys would attract progressively higher taxes, a leaked document entitled Greener Skies suggests.
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:49 am 16. anton:This is how Hitler brought his Socialist program into power in the 1930’s. He never came anywhere near a plurality of votes but managed to wiggle between the other parties on splinter issues.
The big problem in the U.K. is that a large portion of the native residents have been abandoned by the political classes that look down upon them as stupid proles. The Elites push their programs with little regard to the opinions of the common folk, in doing so they have created a tinderbox full of problems.
The BNP is only Right Wing in terms of British politics, I cannot find a party there that supports limited government and personal freedom. It seems to be a matter of which side of the social crib the nanny-state will lay you down in.
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:51 am 17. Gary Ogletree:Looks like there is an opening for an authentic conservative party in Britain. They have too deep a collective memory of the Blitz to go for a nanny state party that reeks of Nazi nostalgia.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:01 am 18. Jay Kactuz:The facts are simple: unless things change the Brits will have to chose between evil and evil, either BNP or Islam.
Labour, the Tories and the Conservatives, by their omission, are responsible for this. By refusing to address Islamic hate and uncontrolled immigration of people that do not respect Western liberal values, the leaders of these parties are responsible for the rise of the BNP.
It is not just Britain. Bad times are coming.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:03 am 19. Donna V.:Kactuz
The socialists are duking it out with the national socialists. The BNP is not at all opposed to the nanny state. It just thinks the wrong people are sucking at the government teat.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:19 am 20. Douglas:I am not sure if Mike really paid attention, but this wasn’t intended to be a real interview with questions. It was staged by the BBC in a attempt to belittle Mr. Griffin. From what I understand it back fired hugely. Here the nazi term is thrown around an awful lot in another attempt to further discredit Mr. Griffin. People trying to preserve a free and open culture should be cheered. The only way that can be done is to prohibit those who would take away those freedoms from coming into the country.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:30 am 21. Sara:To bring in globalism, the Western elite have decided to social engineer the repression and cleansing of native cultures in the US and Europe. They must weaken people’s National identies, historical memory and sense of freedom. Multiculturalism and overwhelming foreign invasion is the method to create this global mentality. They give preferences, legal dominance and cultural dominance over the native populations and punish natives when they object.
Britian is being raped and murdered by their immigrants and they are not permitted to defend themselves. Islam sensibilities is being imposed on the peple of Britian and they are not allowed religious freedom or freedom of speech anymore. Britian history has been cleansed so people’s idenity is non-existent as a Nation of people. The Left has turned Britian into a police state that is much more invasive and controlling that is the police state built here “to fight terror.” It is not Muslim immigrants who are the threat of terror, it is the native Britians. We saw what happened to the Indians in this Nation when Europeans came here and cleansed their culture and punished them for being who they are. That is what the British elite are doing to the native population of Britian.
I do not blame Britians for rising up against their social and economic dictators. If this is truly a neo-nazi group and not just being smeared as that by the Left, that is not right. Two wrongs of hate do not make a right. But if they are standing up for “white” Britians – the native population – that is sorely needed and I hope they are successful.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:32 am 22. bibio44:Well, better late than never! I’m glad to see you’ve cleansed your headline of its defamation of the “far, far right.” Now just do a dozen laps around Rush Limbaugh, and you’ll be completely reinstated in the good graces of PJM.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:38 am 23. WESTRIGHT:As an American having spent several days reading about the BBC/BNP show and the punditry afterward, even I can see that Mr. McNally doesn’t have the real story here. He appears to be just another typical Brit with squishy ideas that tend to be of the PC/MultiCultism is good variety. The real story here is the Communist NuLabour led by Blair & Brown as well as the failure of the Tories to object, have actively sought to destroy the native Brit population! The BNP is the only voice for this marginalized citizenry. Better wake up and defeat the left/tory block out right in both UK and USA…we will fight for our freedom!
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:47 am 24. Sherab Zangpo:It is VERY FUNNY that this whole article fails to mention the monstrous islamic colonization of Great Britain.
Very funny.
They are being eaten alive by the jihadists and the only thing they can think of is fighting each other.
A classic.
Thank you for the opportunity to comment.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:49 am 25. Ruebacca:5. Brett_McS:
you are totally right. only difference between “acceptable” big ten leftist and fascism is racial bigotry. the poor whites see there welfare state goodies going to an imported and arrogant group of immigrants. Fascism is a creature of the left.
the nazi called Churchill a reactionary. That is what I am, reactionary. Old institutions are best, god save us from social innovators. Social innovators like marx, hitler, pol pot, tony blair, barney frank, obama….
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:54 am 26. willis:“they were killed off by the arrival of Margaret Thatcher, who stood up for British interests and addressed the concerns of the working classes without pandering to racist attitudes.”
Sadly, there are no Margaret Thatchers or Ronald Reagans on the world scene today. All we, the UK and US, need are leaders who oppose the destruction of their countries because they love their country rather than because they hate those who are destroying it. It makes a difference. If you are out there we are ready for you.
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:00 am 27. coisty:My friends in Ulster, frankly, would be better off in the Republic of Ireland…while injecting an industrial base into the country
That’s a bit like saying California should join Mexico thus injecting a high tech sector into the country!
The sad reality is that the most extreme political party in Britain is actually the governing Labour Party. The Tories (like RINO opponents of the Dems in the US) merely offer more of the same.
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:17 am 28. Andrew Ian Dodge:What exactly makes the BNP/Nick Griffin far right? Have actually read their policies? They are for nationalisation and all the other big things of the far-left socialist.
National socialism is not a right of centre machination but a Marxist heresy. Please read Goldberg’s Liberal Fascist to educate yourself of the true nature of fascism & national socialist.
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:24 am 29. Andrew Ian Dodge:Of course there is a far-right they are authoritarians like Birchers and their ilk. No one denies that there is in fact a far-right, but Nazis were never on the right. Hitler hated “conservatives” and those wishing to preserve the status quo. He certainly wasn’t libertarian either.
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:32 am 30. submandave:biblio, rather than trot out your favorite whipping boy, Rush, perhaps you can better educate us on why you believe the economic policies espoused by the BNP should rightly place it on the “far, far right.” Look, maybe you don’t like free-market economics, and while I may dsagree that’s perfectly fine. Also, you might not like racial purists like neo-Nazis and the BNP, and I’d agree completely. But simply because you don’t like both there is no logical reason to conflate the two and assume they are synonymous.
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:32 am 31. submandave:I disagree, coisty. Considering that Ireland has one of the fastest growth rates among European nations due largely to their business friendly tax laws while Mexico is a den of violent drug lords and open government corruption I completely fail to see your point. Language aside, in which country would you rather live and work?
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:36 am 32. bibio44:30. submandave: ‘biblio,… perhaps you can better educate us on why you believe the economic policies espoused by the BNP should rightly place it on the “far, far right.”’
Hey, subman, don’t blame me. I was just quoting PJM (before they got frightened by the far, far right backlash and changed the headline).
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:58 am 33. RightwingHippyChick:This relentless spin is getting tedious… Pajamas media urgently needs an author who has a clue what neo-nazis really are, what is going on in the UK, and some historical knowledge and natural curiosity to look instead of the habit to hyperventilate over myths would also not go amiss.
The BNP is not a nazi party and anyone who claims that has no idea what nazis really were and what neo-nazi are nowadays.. here is a hint: real nazis and their modern version, the neo-nazis (and yes, they d exist) side with the Islamists ever since Hitler’s times — just like the modern neo-nazis and Islamists are thick as thieves and no neo-nazi would ever call Islam a wicked and vicious faith as Nick Griffin has dared to do, no real neo-nazi stands up for women’s equality either like he did.
Maybe one day Pajama’s media can find someone who speaks German and who has has an inkling of what the Germans NPD (the official, original and genuine Neo-nazis) is up to…!), as for Islam and Nazism…. see here: http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com read it, learn something and weep.
Griffin has denied the holocaust in times gone by, he has said repeatedly that he has now changed his mind, and as the law stands, he is not legally allowed to even talk about why that is so, on pain of jail. What more do you want other than that he has come round to the truth? Even Henryk M. Broder (google him…) is against the holocaust denial laws, because it causes the very confusion that traps people like Griffin into believing in false research, which cannot be debunked properly since it’s verboten to even be discussed.
Also, the BNP is the only UK party who has supported Israels’ right to self-defense in the last Gaza war, and they have Jewish councillors, and a strong anti-islam stance.
I’m not saying the BNP are angels(in indeed a desireable addition to politics in general), but, why not stick to the truth… it’s interesting enough as it goes, no need to invent, embellish or overusing the dogwhistle. Besides that, if you keep making claims that are easily debunked, then it will be harder to get people to take you serious in future.
There is plenty of pickings here for anyone who is critical, but spinning and missing the point is best left to the BBC, don’t soil our nice Pajamas with PC BS!
Oct 28, 2009 - 10:17 am 34. coisty:I disagree, coisty. Considering that Ireland has one of the fastest growth rates among European nations due largely to their business friendly tax laws while Mexico is a den of violent drug lords and open government corruption I completely fail to see your point.
Obviously because it would be good for Mexico just as Ruvy said Northern Ireland joining the Republic would be good for the latter! Read Ruvy’s post again.
Anyway, Ireland’s now an economic basket case – like the UK. The Celtic Tiger was a myth. Besides two-thirds of the Irish electorate just voted to ratify Lisbon so the Irish won’t have much control over future laws. Its business and tax laws will move towards the European norm if not complete harmonization.
But it doesn’t matter as economics is a minor issue. Who would give up their nationality just to make a few extra dollars/Euros? When Ireland was poor and Northern Ireland was much better off it was irrelevant to Irish nationalists. A seemingly rich Rep. of Ireland over the past decade was irrelevant to an Ulster Unionist in an economically struggling Northern Ireland.
Oct 28, 2009 - 10:29 am 35. bibio44:33. RightwingHippyChick: “Pajamas media urgently needs an author who has a clue what neo-nazis really are…. The BNP is not a nazi party and anyone who claims that has no idea what nazis really were and what neo-nazi are….”
Sorry, Mr. McNally, but you’ll just have to change your headline again and edit your blog to appease the true PJMers.
Oct 28, 2009 - 10:57 am 36. Blackwater:They’re definitely racist – at least as racist as every other non-white ethnic group is – but I’m not sure accusations of Neo-Nazism hold a lot of weight anymore. Political parties and movements can evolve over time. Although I will admit that they could indeed be Jew-hating Neo-Nazis. If so I hope someone more sane takes over that movement and reforms it to a more nationalist and nativist party rather than a moronic Jew-hating party. And anyway, they’ll most likely only get results in ending the islamist invasion of the UK at most. I don’t think many British citizens would support some kind of anti-Jewish purge.
Oct 28, 2009 - 11:13 am 37. Germanist:Time to build an Indigenous European Party! To protect the rights of We the People!
Oct 28, 2009 - 3:40 pm 38. whiskey:What is racism? Really?
The BNP cites the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples not to have mass immigration make them minorities in their homelands. A position adopted by the UK. Now the Labor Party’s disclosure that it deliberately created mass immigration to make Whites in the UK a minority in their own homeland (one inhabited continuously since the last Ice Age, over 11,000 years or so) is a deliberate violation of the agreement.
Should White Britons be the minority (a despised and discriminated against minority) in their own homeland? You will find few ordinary people signing up to that one in Britain. Hence the support for the BNP which is likely FAR in excess of 20% and will only grow.
White working/middle class people in Britain are discriminated against. In favor of non-Whites, mostly Muslims. A fourteen year old girl is sent to jail for not wanting to work with a group of Pakistani girls who speak no English. A boy of ten is sent to jail for during a fight calling another boy “a dirty Paki.” The Archbishop of Canterbury looks forward to Sharia Law in Britain, as do Jihadis openly preaching the end of “White Britain.” National Health is a joke, staffed mostly by Pakistan immigrants and reserving most money to immigrants at the expense of middle and working class White Natives.
As a naked spoils play, the BNP proposes even MORE socialism, but for WHITES. The White native Britons coming first, immigrants kicked out and the few remaining coming in dead LAST.
Call this the obvious play when money is tight, tax receipts down, the economy in the toilet, and the mass of White natives (still the majority) see the nation rigged AGAINST THEM and FOR IMMIGRANTS. Who are nearly all non-White. In fact, I expect the same here in this nation — if we “are all socialists now” then the only thing to argue about is cutting the slices of the pie to benefit the majority population (76% White according to the 2005-2007 US Census Bureau Community Survey) while screwing the minority population. That is spoils politics BY DEFINITION.
Racism with nearly every policy initiative, be it education, criminal law, budgetary decisions, health, terrorism, and so on rigged AGAINST White Native majorities in favor of non-White minorities means nothing. If times were good and no one wanted the accusation of “racist” because it meant real money on the table would be sacrificed, that was one thing (in the go-go 1990s). No one cares any more. Because they are poor and threatened with more poverty. No one CARES about being called “racist” any more than they care being called a proponent of the Holy Roman Empire. Both are dead concepts without any meaning.
Multiculturalism, democracy, socialism. Pick any two.
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:30 pm 39. billm99uk:No one denies that there is in fact a far-right, but Nazis were never on the right. Hitler hated “conservatives” and those wishing to preserve the status quo.
It’s not like he exactly loved Communists either. Bit of an equal opportunities hater, was our Adolf…
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:42 pm 40. charlze:It defies all logic that in the twenty-first century Western Civilization, particularly such as was spread about the globe by the British,and which has done more good, and created more prosperity for more people than any other philosophy in the history of mankind is being asked to sacrifice itself on the alter of multiculturalism by those who follow a seventh century philosophy that has caused more harm, death, destruction and poverty than any in the history of mankind, and now sends its followers around the world to spread its pestilence because it can’t create an economy to support them. Why do western countries not even defend their own culture in their own countries! Why do they accept “multiculturalism” that seeks to destroy them by ultimately imposing a monoculture. All the while while Islam will tolerate NO diversity.
It is ultimately no ones fault but our own if we fail to defend our way of life.
Oct 28, 2009 - 5:17 pm 41. Rachel Peepers:Mike McNally
“British television viewers were last week treated to the extraordinary spectacle of the openly racist leader of an openly racist party — and a Holocaust denier to boot — appearing on a prime-time political panel show, on which he attempted to defend his mostly indefensible views in the face of an onslaught from hostile fellow panel members and an even more hostile studio audience.”
Just as bad, an openly racist woman, Sonia Sototmayor, is about to become a Supreme Court justice. “Any Hispanic woman is smarter than any white male”, she says over and over again. And who says she’ll be a superior supreme court justice? None other than Barack Obama, who, during the primaries, billed himself as the post racial President. Unfortunately, Obama’s mouth wrote checks that his deeds don’t cash.
“The worst President in United States history deserves justice in the worst way.”
Rachel Peepers
Oct 28, 2009 - 6:40 pm 42. Bilgeman:Mr. McNally:
“So anyone who voices legitimate concerns about virtually unregulated mass immigration or suggests that it would be a good thing if immigrants who arrive legally were encouraged to integrate into society is branded a racist. And anyone who voices the opinion that maybe British voters should be able to have a say in how they’re governed, rather than having laws imposed on them from Brussels, is labeled a xenophobe.”
Yep, that about sums it up, but I’d put it more succinctly:
The British politico-media establishment looks at the reversed mirror image of their racist and xenophilic policies, and is horrified of the reflection.
but now the bloke in the pub is thereby presented with the choice of living under a racist society regardless.
And can anyone then reasonably fault him if he prefers to live under a chauvinistic racism?
The sad fact seems to have been, as in America, that the ruling class and their flunkies despise their own people who are lower in the pecking order than any other. The UK’s immigration policies, like our own, are discriminatory against Caucasians.
To the West End, “multiculturalism” means a tasty kabob shop and better curried chicken.
In Humberside, it means losing your bloody job.
To the Nobs, “celebrating diversity” means playing at being Wiccan, and the C of E not condemning them for being poofters.
To the Yobs, it means their sisters and daughters being leered at, and far worse, by gangs of alien men.
If your only choice is to live under a racist government, then it only makes sense to live under one that isn’t racist against YOU.
Oct 28, 2009 - 6:46 pm 43. Alek:Why are hyperzionists afraid of any displays of nationalism other then their own support for Israel?
Oct 28, 2009 - 7:49 pm 44. robotech master:To 39. billm99uk
Thats very true hitler was a centrist/leftwing, commies are far leftwing. Thats why fascism is often called the “third way” because it tries to split the difference between full blown authoritarianism/socialism/collectivism and Anarchy/Capitalism/Individualism. The problem is that in order to really push that view point you move further and further to the left because you need more and more control to force “fairness”. You keep moving leftward because you keep failing and because you believe the problem is simply not enough control. That is why if you review the history of history you see a very steady shift from “elected hitler”(who was roughly a centrists/ran as a centrist) to “1945 hitler” who was almost pushing into communism.
You can see that pattern is many historic leftwing figures and even groups like the euros and the Democrats in the US… all of which believe “more government” will fix the problem.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:25 pm 45. Dark Helmet:A religion or region is not a race.
Oct 28, 2009 - 8:34 pm 46. bibio44:37. Germanist: “Time to build an Indigenous European Party!”
Yes! Let’s call it … I got it! — The Aryan Brotherhood!
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:24 pm 47. Larry:This article is just another exercise in PC mulitculti lite at which PajamasMedia excells, whilst pretending it is somehow a genuine alternative and antidote to the PC know-nothing Left. I mean what kind of a name is PajamasMedia anyhow? It’s so lightweight and lacking in seriousness, but then that’s appropriate given the kind of palubum put up here.
Yes Griffin and the BNP are bigoted jerks, and? Maybe if Labour and Tory hadn’t sold out Britain’s freedoms and way of life for Islam’s sake, the BNP would be off the radar entirely.
Oct 28, 2009 - 11:54 pm 48. RightwingHippyChick:It’s called dhimmitude, but the writer of this article doesn’t have a clue. I could have read this kind of nonsense at Salon or the LA Times. Simply pathetic.
Bibio44, care to explain how any Neo-nazi is against Islam like Nick Griffin is?
Have you read my post and checked the links and thought a bit about the obvious contradictions here?
Note I’m not saying the BNP is great, but the tired old nazi meme is not only wrong — it also is turning people off thinking properly.
There is a lot that can be sensibly written about this subject, but hysterical cookie cutter PC claptrap is not a winning entry here, in fact, if anything, it’s BNP propaganda at best.
Sad when people have to defend the BNP in order to create a platform where real critiscm can happen.
Oct 29, 2009 - 3:56 am 49. Fnord:Kudos to the articlewriter for daring to write about this issue. As can be seen from the comment-thread, the audience seems to be mostly BNP supporters here, fascists who have adopted the pro-Israel cause as a cover to hate muslims.
I have bveen noticing the decline in articles on Pajamas-Media when it comes to hatespeech recently. Its good to see a warningshot, and equally disheartening to see the responses from the audience.
Oct 29, 2009 - 4:39 am 50. bibio44:48. RightwingHippyChick: “Bibio44, care to explain how any Neo-nazi is against Islam like Nick Griffin is?”
Hey, I’m just following the party line laid down by that far, far left-wing site, PJM.
Oct 29, 2009 - 5:22 am 51. RightwingHippyChick:@Fnord, the aptly named:
Calling people Neo-Nazi is hate speech as well, especially if the people in question are not neo-nazis.
Attempting to cloud the issue with hysterics and accusing people who disagree as fascists… is quite stupid, especially when those people all are saying that there are more important and pressing issues here that are being swept under the carpet in this way.
So, what is it that you want: name and sort out the issues that are causing the situation OR you want to just let of righteous steam and celebrate a community-bonding hiss-fest dissing mythical nazis, but don’t do the actual difficult work of nailing the elusive points?
I prefer to work with reality, mainly because I happen to live here and I have a lot to lose if the BNP gets too popular(and them supposedly being nazi is the the smallest of their problems btw).
The tragedy is that the BNP are partially right and the only party prepared to tell the truth as it is, and by now the situation in the UK is so dire that even if the BNP were nazi, it would not matter, because the threat to the UK is far greater than anything the BNP can conjure up, and a lot of people silently think that after the main problem is sorted, any problems the BNP could come up with are trivial in comparison and easily sorted out.
Articles like this one only serve to either make people switch off their minds in disgust or lull them in a false sense of security.
I hope you now understand the intricate poisonousness of the entire situation and why people are saying that articles like that are rubbish.
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I’m not sure its possible to be more neo-nazi then Mick Holmes, former Lincolnshire BNP organiser and bodyguard to Nick Griffin.
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Oct 29, 2009 - 10:06 am 53. Paul:FURTHER
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Racism begins with our families, parents, brothers and sisters, aunts and uncles, grandparents, people we admire, respect and love.
However, as we grow and mature we come to the realization that what we were told by our family when we were children were slanted lies base on their prejudices. We realize that most people are like ourselves and not so different and want the same things, like a home, steady work, a Medicare plan and schools for our children (if you travel you will see this). We realize that most people are of good hearts and goodwill.
This reminds me of a parable from the good book where a Levite and Priest come upon a man who fell among thieves and they both individually passed by and didn’t stop to help him.
Finally a man of another race came by, he got down from his beast, decided not to be compassionate by proxy and got down with the injured man, administered first aid, and helped the man in need.
Jesus ended up saying, this was the good man, this was the great man, because he had the capacity to project the “I” into the “thou,” and to be concerned about his fellow man.
You see, the Levite and the Priest were afraid, they asked themselves, “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?”
But then the Good Samaritan came by. And he reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?”
That’s the question before us. The question is not, “If I stop to help our fellow man (immigrant) in need, what will happen to me?” The question is, “If I do not stop to help our fellow man, what will happen to him or her?” That’s the question.
This current climate of blaming others for our woes is not new. We have had this before and we have conquered it.
Remember “Evil flourishes when good men (and women) do nothing”. Raise your voices with those of us who believe we are equal and we can win this battle again.
Oct 29, 2009 - 10:49 am 54. mags:Like all quasi-fascist movements, the BNP is supremely opportunistic, using legitimate grievances which the political mainstream has ignored as a Trojan horse for its own horrible objective.
People have despaired that the mainstream parties had become so compromised by political correctness that it fell to the BNP to defend commonsense English traditions
The problem here is that the B.N.P is not just talking about illegal immigration.
They want to repatriate non- white British citizens
They want those of foreign descent to return to their lands of “ethnic origin”. This would cover many millions of British citizens,even if they have never even been to that country.
Nick Griffin, chair of the British National Party, has defended party literature which tells members that Asian Britons and black Britons “do not exist”
He is asserting that it is not possible to be British and black at the same time. They say the obvious corollary to that opinion is a deportation policy
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The BNP is a racist ,homophobic party that has been inciting violence against many groups.
Some quotes,
‘The BNP discourages homosexuality, arguing that it is unnatural.’
“We would offer counselling to get people away from their deviant lifestyles, or ask them to become celibate.’
They have stated that aids is gods revenge on gays.
Early in the formation of the BNP they wanted to re-criminalise homosexualty.
They have had to clean up some of their policies but scratch the surface.
Oct 29, 2009 - 12:03 pm 55. ella:RightwingHippyChick
I read what you wrote and I think I agree. I thought BNP is a neo-nazi party, but recently I have changed my mind. I also read that Polish guy , Kaminski. is an anti-semite and I know for certain that he is not an anti-semite. I think that we should carefully check statements from the media because many times they do Goebbels-like* propaganda and it seems to work.
* Goebbels said that if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it
@ Mags
He said that it is not possible to be Briton and black at the same time. He is right, ethnically blacks living in Britain are not Britons, although non-ethnically they are British.
Oct 29, 2009 - 2:38 pm 56. Marie Claude:You said that he discourages homosexuality. Do you mean that everybody have to like all life-styles? BNP does not advocates killing homosexuals, like “religion of peace” and its believers do.
I have now read their manifestos (all 3 of them) and in none of them they are talking about killing someone. They talk about controlling immigration policies, about transportation, pride in being British and about end to doing whatever Brussels tells British. All the important things for Brits.
You mean it is wrong???
BNP invited LePen to their convention ! this is telling the smartiness of t’em !
Besides, since when British is a race related to a specific origin, cuz if you analyse their DNA, there are Angles, Saxons, Brittons, Celts, French, italian immigrants, Belgians, Pakistaneses, whatever Arab Caucasians…
So this party is quite a mind elaboration, it’s all about the grandeur of the Brits, when they were taking tea-time, while an Untermench from their colonies was making some air shakes with palm branches
Oct 30, 2009 - 1:58 pm 57. Greying Wanderer:The BNP is a nativist party. It no doubt has individual members and possibly leaders who are or were more extreme than that. If it ever came to power it might be evil or it might be sensibly and firmly nativist.
However the simple fact is the entire political class in Britain has surrendered to our eventual extinction as long as they and their families are the last in the queue. Currently the British people have no choice but a party like the BNP.
So that’s that.
Oct 30, 2009 - 11:00 pm