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		<title>By: MCostello</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-liberaltarianist-folly/comment-page-2/#comment-218234</link>
		<dc:creator>MCostello</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 22:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Non-Interventionist is not Isolationist.  Though to someone the authors Pith and apparent intellectual vigor the two terms are persistently merged.  The reactions to acts of war with respect to Islamo-Fascism (a lovely construct) and Afghanistan are at least itemized, as opinions differ on those two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Non-Interventionist is not Isolationist.  Though to someone the authors Pith and apparent intellectual vigor the two terms are persistently merged.  The reactions to acts of war with respect to Islamo-Fascism (a lovely construct) and Afghanistan are at least itemized, as opinions differ on those two.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-liberaltarianist-folly/comment-page-2/#comment-215795</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But I’m not sure that it’s practical, given that drug abuse would probably lead to violence which would create a need for a larger police force.&lt;/i&gt;

There is one drug when consumed that absolutely has been proven to lead to an increase in violence by users. And that drug is: &lt;b&gt;Alcohol&lt;/b&gt;. No other drug known to man (despite anecdotal evidence) fits that pattern.

So, outlaw alcohol?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I’m not sure that it’s practical, given that drug abuse would probably lead to violence which would create a need for a larger police force.</i></p>
<p>There is one drug when consumed that absolutely has been proven to lead to an increase in violence by users. And that drug is: <b>Alcohol</b>. No other drug known to man (despite anecdotal evidence) fits that pattern.</p>
<p>So, outlaw alcohol?</p>
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		<title>By: M. Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,

The best argument against government meddling in abortion is simple: any government strong enough to outlaw abortion is strong enough to make it mandatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,</p>
<p>The best argument against government meddling in abortion is simple: any government strong enough to outlaw abortion is strong enough to make it mandatory.</p>
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		<title>By: momof3</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-liberaltarianist-folly/comment-page-2/#comment-208272</link>
		<dc:creator>momof3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#80, yes it does suck to be you if you are so f-ing stupid you can&#039;t read and follow directions. It would suck worse to be your kid though, so please get fixed. 

And again #80,&quot;blowhards arguing against personal choice.&quot; Again, your personal choice stops when it affects others rights to life, liberty, et al. Period. Why is that hard to understand? I guess it&#039;s as confusing to you as unwrapping a condom.....

You have the syntax and word choice of a man, so I&#039;m going to say...what if you created a kid you wanted? It is, after all, half you. And the woman decides to abort it? You get no say. What about your rights? Saying a woman can decide to kill a baby and no one can say boo is not libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#80, yes it does suck to be you if you are so f-ing stupid you can&#8217;t read and follow directions. It would suck worse to be your kid though, so please get fixed. </p>
<p>And again #80,&#8221;blowhards arguing against personal choice.&#8221; Again, your personal choice stops when it affects others rights to life, liberty, et al. Period. Why is that hard to understand? I guess it&#8217;s as confusing to you as unwrapping a condom&#8230;..</p>
<p>You have the syntax and word choice of a man, so I&#8217;m going to say&#8230;what if you created a kid you wanted? It is, after all, half you. And the woman decides to abort it? You get no say. What about your rights? Saying a woman can decide to kill a baby and no one can say boo is not libertarian.</p>
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		<title>By: ChipD</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChipD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 00:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe I am reading a discussion about libertarianism and not one word about the Unitary Executive Thoery advanced by the bush White House;
The notion that a President can simply declare anyone at all to be an &quot;enemy combatant&quot; and then that person instantly loses all constitutional rights- Yes, even American Citizens are included in this- and the relentless increasing scope of government spying power, secret prisons, warrantless wiretapping, etc....

Where are the Libertarians on all this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I am reading a discussion about libertarianism and not one word about the Unitary Executive Thoery advanced by the bush White House;<br />
The notion that a President can simply declare anyone at all to be an &#8220;enemy combatant&#8221; and then that person instantly loses all constitutional rights- Yes, even American Citizens are included in this- and the relentless increasing scope of government spying power, secret prisons, warrantless wiretapping, etc&#8230;.</p>
<p>Where are the Libertarians on all this?</p>
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		<title>By: G Alston</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Alston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 07:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#75 -- &quot;There are two delightful young men in the world today who would not be here if those women thought like God Alston.&quot;

1) Me: People should make their own choices; whether I agree or not with their choice isn&#039;t the least bit relevant.

2) You: No, I get to choose for them. 

Using your crayon, circle the one who&#039;s really playing god. (Helpful hint: it&#039;s choice #2.)


#77 -- blah blah blah ... Be responsible?&quot;

I posited that your argument could be simplified as &quot;sucks to be you.&quot;

I&#039;ll take that as a confirmation.


#77 -- &quot;This is, in fact, a conservative site.&quot;

Correct, but conservatives aren&#039;t limited to your brand of dogmatic reactionary blowhards arguing against personal choice.

You may as well circle #2 above as well. 


#78 -- &quot;Limiting government is not the same as eliminating government…why is this concept such a hard thing to grasp?&quot;

It&#039;s rarely clear what parts of government a given libertarian wishes to unwind. There seems to be numerous flavours of &quot;libertarian.&quot; Some tend toward isolationism. Not realistic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#75 &#8212; &#8220;There are two delightful young men in the world today who would not be here if those women thought like God Alston.&#8221;</p>
<p>1) Me: People should make their own choices; whether I agree or not with their choice isn&#8217;t the least bit relevant.</p>
<p>2) You: No, I get to choose for them. </p>
<p>Using your crayon, circle the one who&#8217;s really playing god. (Helpful hint: it&#8217;s choice #2.)</p>
<p>#77 &#8212; blah blah blah &#8230; Be responsible?&#8221;</p>
<p>I posited that your argument could be simplified as &#8220;sucks to be you.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take that as a confirmation.</p>
<p>#77 &#8212; &#8220;This is, in fact, a conservative site.&#8221;</p>
<p>Correct, but conservatives aren&#8217;t limited to your brand of dogmatic reactionary blowhards arguing against personal choice.</p>
<p>You may as well circle #2 above as well. </p>
<p>#78 &#8212; &#8220;Limiting government is not the same as eliminating government…why is this concept such a hard thing to grasp?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s rarely clear what parts of government a given libertarian wishes to unwind. There seems to be numerous flavours of &#8220;libertarian.&#8221; Some tend toward isolationism. Not realistic.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Ian Dodge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Ian Dodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every time you have a discussion about libertarianism there is someone there to say we are nothing better than anarchists. The fact this assertion is patently false and silly does not seem to bother them at all. Think of this...if you are an anarchist then you would support no party at all as you don&#039;t believe in elections? 

Limiting government is not the same as eliminating government...why is this concept such a hard thing to grasp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time you have a discussion about libertarianism there is someone there to say we are nothing better than anarchists. The fact this assertion is patently false and silly does not seem to bother them at all. Think of this&#8230;if you are an anarchist then you would support no party at all as you don&#8217;t believe in elections? </p>
<p>Limiting government is not the same as eliminating government&#8230;why is this concept such a hard thing to grasp?</p>
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		<title>By: John Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As far as I can tell the gays merely want to be able to get spousal benefits, e.g. health insurance, benefits if the spouse dies, etc. If so, isn’t the government sorta required for the legality aspect?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In other words, they want the government to force private companies to extend these benefits.

Real libertarian, that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As far as I can tell the gays merely want to be able to get spousal benefits, e.g. health insurance, benefits if the spouse dies, etc. If so, isn’t the government sorta required for the legality aspect?</p></blockquote>
<p>In other words, they want the government to force private companies to extend these benefits.</p>
<p>Real libertarian, that.</p>
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		<title>By: momof3</title>
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		<dc:creator>momof3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 02:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, G Alston, I&#039;m not a troll. This is, in fact, a conservative site. Look in your mirror for trolling.  Every known form of birth control comes with an info packet stating it&#039;s effectiveness and how to use it correctly. Don&#039;t like the odds of a condom breaking? Use the pill too. Or the IUD. Or get sterilized. Yes, things can interfere with the pill. People that read the info book know that and plan accordingly. You know, use their brains? Be responsible? 

I can disapprove of any behavior I want. Pedophiles have brain issues that make them that way. Should I accept they have no choice? I don&#039;t give a rats ass who consenting adults have sex with as far as legislating it. Which was exactly my point in bringing up my disapproving of homosexuals-we don&#039;t attempt to legislate against everything that bothers us. Just the things that harm others. Get it? And actually, there&#039;s compelling research that homosexuality is rather like sickle cell, in that one copy of a gene actually makes you more fertile, but 2 copies makes you homosexual. Which would explain it&#039;s persistiveness in populations over time. Gayness isn&#039;t increasing, like virally-transferred illnesses like HPV are. Straight siblings of gays show much higher rates of fecundity than the general population. Really fascinating stuff. 

The government probably could get out of the marriage business, if there weren&#039;t so many jackasses running to the courts when their personal mating decisions go awry. Want to keep the marrying out of the government&#039;s hands? Keep the ending of it out too. Which means no one to whine to about not seeing your kids enough or not getting enough money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, G Alston, I&#8217;m not a troll. This is, in fact, a conservative site. Look in your mirror for trolling.  Every known form of birth control comes with an info packet stating it&#8217;s effectiveness and how to use it correctly. Don&#8217;t like the odds of a condom breaking? Use the pill too. Or the IUD. Or get sterilized. Yes, things can interfere with the pill. People that read the info book know that and plan accordingly. You know, use their brains? Be responsible? </p>
<p>I can disapprove of any behavior I want. Pedophiles have brain issues that make them that way. Should I accept they have no choice? I don&#8217;t give a rats ass who consenting adults have sex with as far as legislating it. Which was exactly my point in bringing up my disapproving of homosexuals-we don&#8217;t attempt to legislate against everything that bothers us. Just the things that harm others. Get it? And actually, there&#8217;s compelling research that homosexuality is rather like sickle cell, in that one copy of a gene actually makes you more fertile, but 2 copies makes you homosexual. Which would explain it&#8217;s persistiveness in populations over time. Gayness isn&#8217;t increasing, like virally-transferred illnesses like HPV are. Straight siblings of gays show much higher rates of fecundity than the general population. Really fascinating stuff. </p>
<p>The government probably could get out of the marriage business, if there weren&#8217;t so many jackasses running to the courts when their personal mating decisions go awry. Want to keep the marrying out of the government&#8217;s hands? Keep the ending of it out too. Which means no one to whine to about not seeing your kids enough or not getting enough money.</p>
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		<title>By: Self-hating Boomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Self-hating Boomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>70, &lt;blockquote&gt;If so, isn’t the government sorta required for the legality aspect?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s a self-fulfilling prophesy. If there were no such thing as legally married status, the government, health-care providers, and private employers would have to develop an alternate paradigm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>70,<br />
<blockquote>If so, isn’t the government sorta required for the legality aspect?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a self-fulfilling prophesy. If there were no such thing as legally married status, the government, health-care providers, and private employers would have to develop an alternate paradigm.</p>
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