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1. Frank:

A democracy is nothing but the tyranny of the majority.

The United States of America is a Republic

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:52 am 2. bob:

Used to be a Republic.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:13 am 3. ic:

The problem with our “hero” is he hasn’t done anything remotely heroic.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:14 am 4. mike:

I notice that over here in Europe the British papers are referring to Obama as the American… Princess Diana

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:41 am 5. Jane Vorous:

I can’t believe you are quoting from Wikipedia. Please.

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:16 am 6. Judy, NYC:

the republic is perishing. we are no longer. we can only guess what we are now. the obama cultist mentality rushes in to fill the emptiness. look for more of the moronic. expect everything.

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:28 am 7. Ken Besig:

Barack Obama’s far Left politically correct policies will both endanger Americans and be the cause of his government’s demise.
Barack Obama’s contempt for Israel and his embrace of the Moslem world will the cause of massive suffering and death in both Israel and the International Community.
Barack Obama’s simplistic and juvenile tax and spend plans will destroy America’s entrepreneurial spirit, impoverish the Middle Class, and make crime epidemic among the illegal alien and minority communities.
Barack Obama’s Presidential Order making abortion on demand, including partial birth abortion, will destroy America’s moral fiber.
Barack Obama’s universal health care and universal hospitalization plans will destroy an already overloaded American health care system, it’s high cost will lead to the government initiating legalized euthanasia, and restrict the availability of health care and diagnostic tools leading to long waiting lines and the invevitable deaths that will result from lack of diagnosis and treatment.
The American People voted Barack Obama into office, and were more than adequately forewarned about the far Left, Socialist, appeasement, and isolationist agenda which he himself publicly proclaimed.
When Obama’s dangerous and badly thought out Left wing policies turn the American Dream into a living nightmare, the American People will have no one to blame but themselves.
I imagine that at that point they will pray to God to help them, but by then God will have already been outlawed by Obama.

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:30 am 8. quasar:

As I have posted on other threads, BHO’s handlers have abused elements of NLP and Erickson-styled covert hypnosis. This is Cult Leadership 101. It’s been chilling to watch this develope and see millions mule-kicked by a two-bit political hack. Leave this B.S. to shrinks and time-share salesmen.

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:31 am 9. Craig:

We are certainly moving away from being a Republic. And Barack Obama and liberal ideology is exhibit 1. That’s why our founding fathers were brilliant, they recognized the ‘mob rule mentality’ of so-called democracies. We are almost there now. Next stop: an oligarchy- which would suit the liberal elite just fine. Of course when we finally move past an oligarchy and reach dictatorship, liberals will do what they did leading up to WWII…suddenly put their hands over their ears and go…LALALALALALALALALALA….

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:44 am 10. formwiz:

“Here’s hoping and sincerely trusting that Obama will prove not to be an overbearing state-builder, not to have a “tsar” complex.”

Why settle for “Czar” when you’re the Messiah?

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:54 am 11. saddened:

They seem to ascribe to Mr. Obama the regard many hold for Jesus Christ.
My prayer is that, unlike Jesus, Mr. Obama pass on when he’s older than Jimmy Carter is now.
Mr. Obama certainly shan’t have similar impact upon history.

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:10 am 12. RE:

It’s interesting to ponder what Satan might think of Obama. Even he might be surprised at the degree to which America’s popular culture has gone stupid.

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:23 am 13. reno911:

During the inauguration I heard the chants of “Obama, Obama”. I thought at the time “How tacky”. This is the new President….not some race hustling gangster rapper. But, I guess when criminals have been your heros for so long and someone emerges who is apparently not a criminal…you lose your mind.

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:29 am 14. Magic:

The United States has begun the decent of a society.
The historical Parrells are amazing the Roman and the British empires began with honest, tough minded individuals running the society for the first 100-150 or so years. The society from 150-200 years those empires begin to find more and more politically inept leaders in leadership positions. The society’s leadership then began to indulge in the ideas that they could be everything to everyone and expect that they could and would solve every problem in the empire. The government from 200-250 years turned more to placating the society instead of leading it, providing convenient answers instead of good directions. The decline of an empire from 250 to its end is a steady spiral to irrelevancy usually through poor to nonexistent political leadership, power grabs, corruption.
Do you recognize the American history in this scale of events?
We are entering the spiral of poor leadership and corruption. The administration lack of leadership (Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Reid) and the corruption (Franks, Murtha) and poor direction of the government by the administration seems to follow the examples of history.

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:52 am 15. locomotivebreath1901:

“Democracies are not immune to the dangers of hero worship.”

Democracies are particularly susceptible to the dangers of hero worship!

That’s why presidential elections, or the right to vote in one, are not specifically mentioned in our Constitution.

The first three comments summed it all up perfectly. ~Bravo to Frank, Bob & ic.

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:04 am 16. J.J. Sefton:

Obomber is sort of the reincarnation of Huey Long. A lot of parallels there.

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:05 am 17. Tricia, Netherlands:

“An Obama cult-watch is not entirely out of order.”

Indeed.

Mohammedans meet the new cult on the block. Your cult’s days are numbered, our liberal savior has the whole world in his hands, he will heal oceans, feed every famished child and barbarians everywhere will kneel before the One’s pure awesomeness. Grown men weep at the mere mention of his name and mothers and daughters faint at his slightest glance from the teleprompter. Children everywhere will relinquish their gaming consoles, the faithful their bible and quran to follow the anointed One’s profound wisdom daily on his twitter and youtube profiles. You can all scrap any second comings you have planned also, Obama’s charismatic reign is here to stay as it sweeps across every continent on earth, leaving billions in a joyful stupor! Hearken heavenly celestial choirs above, fear not for this is the moment to point yourselves towards DC and repeat “yes we can ( – all be happy little serfs)”.

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:27 am 18. drjohn:

If Obama is a hybrid of Jesus and Lincoln, then he ought to be able to pull off a miracle or four easily.

This is a disease. Period.

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:54 am 19. Krusty:

Finally, a real president:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/23/obama-rendition-torture

In your miniverse Bush = competence and honesty. In the world proscribed by facts, Bush = idiot, liar. Obama, meanwhile, has done what he’s said, reached across the aisle and is slowly improving our reputation across the seas.

Disagree with certain policies – I do, but the hatred here is really sad.

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:55 am 20. SaraforAmerica:

Well, OF COURSE it’s a Cult of Personality.

This could have been written months ago…the posters, the swooning, the lack of knowledge by supporters who know nothing about his policies. Now all we can do is hope that,

1. The media wakes up, realizes it’s being played and gets ticked off.

2. The loyal opposition tires of being patronized and stands firm, for once.

3. People get spooked by permanent posters and the eternal Obama campaign, and begin to see Obama as trying to push himself into their lives, and resist.

When the Cult begins to be obvious to even the most distracted observer, there will be two reactions. Some will dig in, and defend their lovely Obama with every pore to retain their dignity.

Others will lash out like a lover scorned, who finally sees clear when their passion lifts.

What will be Obama’s reaction when former supporters turn against him? It hasn’t happened to him, yet, in his political life, and he is such a narcissist he might not take it well.

That’s when we’ll see the REAL Obama. Will he show his fangs or will he retreat?

Jan 23, 2009 - 5:58 am 21. Bob Sykes:

Pres. Obama (unlike Gov. Palin) spent many Sundays in a far-right church/mosque listening to virulent anti-white, anti-semitic and homophobic tirades. If you listen to this sort of stuff long enough, it begins to seem reasonable, normal, even obviously correct. It will be interesting to see how it plays out in his policies and decisions. Pity Israel!

Of course, the cult of the leader is one of the defining characteristics of a facist state, as are racism, anti-semitism and homophobia. We are in for quite a ride.

Jan 23, 2009 - 6:45 am 22. Mary Grabar:

Thank you. Yes, indeed. Didn’t Obama say in his inaugural address that he wanted to “remake America”? And didn’t he make a parallel of himself to Jesus when he said that we must leave behind all “childish things”? The “childish things” he wants us to leave behind are differences of opinion. The call for unity is not the same unity we had in the days after 9/11. This is not unity for a country, but unity behind Obama. Historical parallels are entirely appropriate.

Jan 23, 2009 - 6:51 am 23. deguello:

Thank god for the 2nd amendment. Train.Oganize. Resist!

Jan 23, 2009 - 6:59 am 24. JED:

The farther that a chosen one is elevated up the pedestal, the farther that they have to fall. This phenomena has happened far too often. One wonders if our collective subconscious still needs human sacrifice.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:24 am 25. J. PINKERTON SNOOPINGTON:

KRUSTY #19
You, sir, are a poor, misguided boob !!!!
Open your eyes – what do you really, honestly know about this man ? Anything, other than what you have been spoon-fed by the fawning media ? But, then again, I doubt if objectivity is part of your intellectual make-up.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:32 am 26. goy:

Krugman’s statements were more than revealing. Only a NYT hack – one of Robert Hurley’s “real journalists” – would equate the public reaction to Bush’s landing on the Lincoln with the millions of crazed, gushing, utterly irrational Obamatons now kowtowing in every corner of our society.

Krugman’s (seemingly perpetual) confusion aside, what he’s really trying to say there is, “Ix-nay on the orship-way! It’s getting genuinely creepy, to the point where we in the government-approved media can’t even ignore it, or explain it away!”

A while back, PJM’s Rick Moran was looking in vain for evidence of “ODS” among those of us who had the inexplicable temerity to wonder why BHO has refused to produced the original, vault copy of his COLB as proof of his citizenship status. Dr. de Russy has shown that the real Obama Derangement Syndrome has been right there in front of us all along.

Note to Rick: if you haven’t yet recognized the true nature of ODS, as pervasively exhibited by his cult legions of mindless idolaters as far back as 8/28/08, try just turning around. You’ve simply been looking in the wrong direction.

Someone (here?) made an excellent observation I saw yesterday, that being the notion that BDS and ODS are two opposing sides of the same mania.

Specifically, those who irrationally despise GWB while lying about, or blindly accepting lies about his record (while ignoring the facts) are pretty much the same crowd running around utterly ga-ga over a guy who’s done absolutely nothing his entire political life other than run for office, give teleprompted speeches, and blow some $100M of other people’s money to prove he had no idea how to improve education in Chicago area schools.

All of this would be just mildly entertaining, except for the OFA – America’s new, contemporary incarnation of The Brown Shirts – which is answerable not to the American People or even the DNC, but to one man. Hyperbole? Sorry, they’ve already demonstrated their true character.

Wake up, kids. History repeats. And it doesn’t care who gets stepped on in the process.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:33 am 27. Lily:

“The farther that a chosen one is elevated up the pedestal, the farther that they have to fall. This phenomena has happened far too often.”

Yes, JED, but will he fall soon enough – before irreparable harm is done? My guess is no. The media and others will be loath to admit their folly and will support this man come what may.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:40 am 28. Joe Bison:

Liberals are people who need something to believe
in. Once a person loses their traditional values
and beliefs they become prone to cults. This
often becomes fanaticism.

Discussion on core cult values is not tolerated.
A recent example besides “The One” is the Goracle.
Once inconvenient truths eventually manifest
themselves mass hysteria will have moved on to
the next big thing.

These Liberal made religions also come with
devils to complete their theology(Bushhitler
Cheney, the USA itself, Israel and so on).

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:49 am 29. goy:

- Obama, meanwhile, has done what he’s said, reached across the aisle and is slowly improving our reputation across the seas.

LOL!! That’s why he’s turned out to be a better choice than McCain (sans Sarah, at any rate). BHO can sign orders, talk the talk and do absolutely nothing, and the mob will cheer – both here and abroad. America’s street cred is repaired overnight without changing a single thing:

“There was no information on the identify [sic] of the foreign militants.”

Obviously not one of Robert Hurley’s “real journalists”.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:49 am 30. Peter Verkooijen:

Socialists (and national socialists, fascists, islamists) believe they can solve all society’s problems if everybody just gets behind The Plan. Opposition is coopted or crushed. The Leader becomes the symbol of national Unity.

FA Hayek’s Road to Serfdom and George Orwell’s 1984 explored and described this process after the war. We’re seeing it played out again with Obama.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:55 am 31. Ann141:

How long until somebody takes a swing at him because they’re sick and tired of him putting his hands on them?

Have you noticed how he uses the body language of touch and taking-hold-of to control others?

Absolutely disgusting and inapropriate.

But that’s the BMOC does.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:02 am 32. Cybergeezer:

Elvis, look out! Here comes Barack the Magic Negro and White House Rock.
And D.C. shall be renamed PELOSIWOOD, in honor of the Queen Bee. I can’t wait to get my Obama license tag. Just think; Four glorious years of Obamathon. I can turn off the furnace now. Chanting Obama just makes me so warm and fuzzy. Oh, wait; Thats nausea. HAAAACK!

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:09 am 33. Jephnol:

“Disagree with certain policies – I do, but the hatred here is really sad.”

Krusty – I’m filled with contempt for your perspective. You think the hatred here is really sad! How utterly blind! The blood-lust, ugly, irrational loathing so many of the tolerant left have nutured and expressed–oh so freely–for President Bush is planetary in comparison to the mote you bewail.

Obama is one thing: an untested President. We have no idea how he will ultimately run his administration because he has no record to point in the direction he’ll take; what we do know is he forged alliances with radicals and terrorists in his young political life.

People are so willing to elevate this wild card liberal to the status of hero before he’s accomplished anything. Not only is what is truly sad, but it’s so dangerous. I hope, if this doesn’t go well, that the willfully blind such as yourself will finally be shocked into facing the denial you have had to forge to hand the keys to the power of this nation to a stranger. All for the vague promise of hope and change.

Cultists.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:12 am 34. deguello:

Obama is laying the groundwork for a permanent seizure of power.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:13 am 35. Sue:

When you cease to have an educated and informed mass of people in a country, you can get the imbecility of “hero” worship for someone who has done nothing to be heroic about. It has taken the Uberleft about 100 years to get to this point in this country and this is what they have wrought. This is what they have wanted from day one. Their belief system that everything in America is wrong or bad is the same belief system that allowed Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Idi Amin Dada, Hitler and on and on and on for the past 5,000 years to brutally kill hundreds of millions. Things are back to their way of liking and they are going to fight, lie and cheat to keep it that way until all the old horses with memories are dead and gone and the people are so used to a drab and poor existence that no one will be able to do anything!! Just look out over our planet and tell me this isn’t true.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:18 am 36. deguello:

Our messiah is really another would be Hugo Chavez,a thug masquerading as a savior. Freedom loving Americans need to watch this carefully, lest his youth and street organizations, turn into leftist versions of the Hitler youth and the SA.The dem libs would love nothing better than a mob of Obama brainwashees,intimidating the American people,to guarantee a perpetual democratic mobocracy.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:25 am 37. Delia:

Why have ANY term limits now that the “Messiah” is here? *eyeroll*

Just wait until “The One” builds his “National Police Force”. *shiver*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnNYN8sKbQ&feature=related

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:29 am 38. Self-hating Boomer:

The problem with our “hero” is he hasn’t done anything remotely heroic.

Or anything else. Except (supposedly) write a couple of books. Ok, I’ll violate Godwin’s law; like a certain German leader from the early 20th century. But at least the German served in the army.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:40 am 39. bob:

We need to revive the state’s rights movement, without the racism. You can fight The Kelo Decision in your local state legislature, for instance. Buck up the 2nd Amendment. Make your Secretary of State certify that a Presidential nominee is a Natural Born Citizen under the strict interpretation. Many other approaches on many other issues are available as well.

Jan 23, 2009 - 8:59 am 40. Ann141:

I just re-read the article again, slower and trying to force myself to take in each nauseating reference to the KNOWN RECORD of Obama as a cult-builder.

That last little paragraph….
“Democracies are surely not immune to the temptations and dangers of culthood. Let us therefore be watchful. An Obama cultwatch is not out of order.”
….makes me want to scream: “YA THINK???????”

What do you think we were are screaming about last summer when he was getting a complete pass from the media and, may I point out, a pass from Hillary as she chose not to use the heaviest artillery against him, probably for the sake of “democrat unity”.

This is one of those times, there truly is no actual pleasure in saying, “We tried to tell you.”

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:00 am 41. Jay:

He needs to be stopped one way or the other before he causes WW3 with his incompetence and arrogance.

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:11 am 42. susan:

a nice outlook from a british commentator.

Barack Obama inauguration: this Emperor has no clothes, it will all end in tears

This will end in tears. The Obama hysteria is not merely embarrassing to witness, it is itself contributory to the scale of the disaster that is coming. What we are experiencing, in the deepening days of a global depression, is the desperate suspension of disbelief by people of intelligence – la trahison des clercs – in a pathetic effort to hypnotise themselves into the delusion that it will be all right on the night. It will not be all right.

We have been here before. In the spring of 1997, to be precise, when a charismatic, young prime minister entered Downing Street, cheered by children bussed in for the occasion waving plastic Union Jacks. A very few of us at that time incurred searing reproaches for denouncing the Great Charlatan (as I have always denominated Tony Blair) and dissenting from the public hysteria. Three times a deluded Britain elected that transparent fraud. Yesterday, when national bankruptcy became a formal reality, we reaped the bitter harvest of the Blair/Brown imposture.

The burnt child, contrary to conventional wisdom, does not fear the fire. After the Blair experience there is no excuse for anybody in Britain falling for Obama. Yet today, in this country, even some of those who remained sane during the emotional spasm of the Diana aberration are pumping the air for Princess Barack. At a time of gross economic and geopolitical instability throughout the Western world, this is beyond irresponsibility.

To anyone who kept his head, the string of Christmas cracker mottoes booming through the public address system on Washington’s National Mall can only excite scepticism. It is crucial to recall the reality that lies behind the rhetoric. Denouncing “those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents” comes ill from a man whose flagship legislation, the Freedom of Choice Act, will impose abortion, including partial-birth abortion, on every state in the Union. It seems the era of Hope is to be inaugurated with a slaughter of the innocents.

Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan is like one of those toxic packages traded by bankers: it camouflages many unaffordable gifts to his client state. With a federal deficit already at $1.2 trillion, Obama wants to squander $825 billion (which will undoubtedly mushroom to more than $1 trillion) on creating 600,000 more government jobs and a further 459,000 in “green energy” (useless wind turbines and other Heath-Robinson contraptions favoured by Beltway environmentalists).

It is frightening to think there is a real possibility that the entire world economy could go into complete meltdown and famine kill millions. Yet Western – and British – commentators are cocooned in a warm comfort zone of infatuation with America’s answer to Neil Kinnock. We should be long past applauding politicians of any hue: they got us into this mess. The best deserve a probationary opportunity to prove themselves, the worst should be in jail.

It is questionable whether the present political system can survive the coming crisis. Whatever the solution, teenage swooning sentimentality over a celebrity cult has no part in it. The most powerful nation on earth is confronting its worst economic crisis under the leadership of its most extremely liberal politician, who has virtually no experience of federal politics. That is not an opportunity but a catastrophe.

These are frank, even ungracious, words: they have the one merit that, unlike almost everything else written today about Obama, they will not require to be eaten in the future.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/gerald_warner/blog/2009/01/20/barack_obama_inauguration_this_emperor_has_no_clothes_it_will_all_end_in_tears

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:15 am 43. Byron Dickens:

“… the House of Representatives proposed — even before he had taken the oath of office — an amendment to the Constitution which would make a third term possible for him. Known currently as House Joint Resolution 5, this item would start the process to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which established the two-term limit on the presidency.”

I think that Obama is going to be such a disaster that we wont’t even have to worry about a second term, let alone a third if the 22nd Amendment is repealed .

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:18 am 44. Roark:

FYI, the United States of America is a Constitutional Republic, NOT a democracy.

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:21 am 45. WestWright:

FYI I’m actually very afraid that the Obama opposition has folded in defeat as evidenced by his flawed Cabinet picks being so easily confirmed. The Cult of Obama will be deadly for the US and the World. I recommend everyone read this piece for b/g: Understanding Obama, The Making of a Fuehrer’, By Ali Sina. http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html

Also of interest: Barack Obama-Narcissist or Merely Narcissistic? by Sam Vaknin, Ph.D.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/25109-barack-obama-elections

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:28 am 46. Krusty:

Hilarious stuff:
- The liberals are prone to cult like behavior (oh the irony)
- Of course I know nothing, I’m the opposition. Ok kids, time to stop viewing politics like a sports team.
- Why might Bush be reviled by the world and 70% of the US? Hmmmm… well, the signing statements, torture, Katrina, illegal war, steel tariffs, inability to speak, flawed logic, hopes for a dictatorship, judicial misconducts, etc. etc. I have my reasons, not some media fed caricature.

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:44 am 47. ReConUSMC:

”CHANGE “… CULT ? One suspects The Average American will grow to loath those two words . Here is why .
A common flaw humans seem to have is the belief
> that someone else can make their life better.
> Robert Frost wrote a poem titled “The Road Not
> Taken”. Americans are again at the fork in the
> road and have chosen to take the heavily traveled
> path into socialism/Marxism as so many have
> traveled before. One can see where that path
> leads but most Americans today, unlike Frost, do
> not even bother to look far down the socialism
> path to see and access it’s failures.

Citigroup, Bank of America ‘Nationalized’ as U.S. Calls Shots

Let’s ad this all up and so far and this is just the tip of the ice berg in only two days Obama has been President .

-Yesterday Obama decided to close Gitmo in year .. But does not know what to do with the 650 prisoners yet and has delayed their trails ?

- Told Israel to open their borders with Gaza for (Peace ” with Hamas’? What is he smoking .

- Obama ended the don’t ask don’t tell in our Military …. Insuring Straights won’t want to serve with Gay men and harm our recruiting efforts greatly . Not to mention creating huge problems since they are i close quarters all the time Necked

- Stopped all Water Boarding or serious questioning of known terrorist since they have ‘Citizens right ” ? Not found in our Constitution , Bill of Rights or Federal Papers .
Obama will”"Honor ” their Geneva Convention rights ? They are not members .

- Stopped Oil drilling off shore Bush announced could go ahead in Dec.

- He will sign a Trillion dollar plus dollars Stimulus package in 2009 and 2010 as well .

We have been hearing for Three months what Polosi , Reid , Dobbs , Franks and the Left insanely are going bring up for passage and they have the votes in Congress to pass and Obama is sure to sign the Majority of those Bills if not all of them . Plus ad his own as well sure to pass because the media backs him and congress need we forget with a Sheepish opposition party called sissy republicans . But they already seem hell bent on being very Bipartisan unlike how Liberals beat Bush to death over
so We basic American tax payers have no Voice in Washington .

So here we go sadly and insanely ! Here are only a few s far .

Tripling “Plus ” the cost of Government over night as part of our GDP ( borrowed Foreign funds ) .

The Fed’s creating another 2 Million jobs when they are the largest Employer now in America .

Government not allowing America to use our 5 Major sources of Energy or improve on those resources . Yet they have promised us a CARBON CREDIT TAX ON PRODUCTIVITY …… Already announcing Hundreds of more new regulations , laws and rules .

Government raising Quota ’s on how many “”Minorities ” you have to have employed to get Government contracts .

Allowing 10-20 Illegals immediately to seek Citizenship . 82 % of those Illegals do not have a 7 Th. grade education and a equal number can not speak English well enough and most have many children that speak little english …. Meaning and increase in our welfare rolls instantly making it the largest explosion cost in America history .

Unions will be allowed to have open votes no longer private … There is a new bill requiring lesser rules from Cos to be Unions decided by Government if you can’t arrive with a Union in your own Private held business .

The Fairness Doctrine muting opposition voices .

These racial Socialist are held bent on giving us Free Universal heath care ( which means Controlling 101 % our Doctors , Medicine Cos and Hospitals cost . See Canada what that did to their Health care .. America is 75 % far better ! I lived in Canada for 9 years .

Today Obama announced he would cut off money to groupies that were against Abortion rights .

Nationalizing the Banks we knew was sure to Happen .They are alreadly TELLING banks they have to lend money to the poor again for housing ?
What does this all ad up too simply ? Pure racial Socialism /Marxism Obama styled !
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Jan 23, 2009 - 9:47 am 48. goy:

- I have my reasons, not some media fed caricature.

Krusty, all of the “reasons” you listed are based on media fed caricature. But don’t hurt yourself trying to figure that out. You’re not ready. It’ll just give you a headache.

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:54 am 49. ILikeIke:

“Democracies are not immune to the dangers of hero worship.”

Lesson #7 of “What I Learned from George W. Bush’s Presidency.”

I mean, he looked really good in that flight suit.

PS: ReConUSMC, you should buck up on your socialism/marxism because the things you described…as horrible as they might be…are not exactly socialist in nature…

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:00 am 50. Kevin:

Remember that BHO has an iron grip on the Millenial generation which has just come of age. Per Strauss & Howe’s generational theory (which in my opinion is sound), the Millenial’s are a collective-oriented generation, unlike the Gen-Xers before them. Think Facebook, MySpace, et al , and their willingness to forego personal privacy. This generational archetype is VERY succeptible to the Cult of Personality. When the cause is just, this gen-type perform heroically (the last incarnation of them were the GI gen that took Normandy). But when they are manipulated for a “wrong” cause, katy-bar-the-door. You must prepare yourself for a Brown-shirt type collective force that will intrude upon your life. Protection and secrecy will be essential. Reach out to your Millenial kids and attempt to snap them out of it now before they are irrevocably under this President’s grip. It is probably too late – and resistance will be futile. I predict:
You will be spyed on and reported for failure to recycle your garbage.
You will be encouraged to donate money and time to this brigade – refusal will be noted.
Expect any vociferous criticism to be met with IRS audits.
You will be visited by upstanding youngsters handing out pamphlets on what you can do to stop global warming.
Your SUVs will be the target of dramatically increasing vandalism.
Be careful if you are the type to wear an “anti-Obama” t-shirt or other clothing – physical intimidation will be likely if around any significant group of Millenials.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:08 am 51. james:

Don’t confuse the cretinous self-haters in the media business with the public at large. Even most of the people who voted for Obama are not idolizing him. The people who control the microphones and the airwaves are in thrall, and that’s no small thing. But this is not Jonestown. Yet.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:11 am 52. Krusty:

Really goy? The steel tariff didn’t happen? The signing statements didn’t happen? Harriet Miers? Alberto Gonzalez? Torture didn’t happen? The Iraq war was not sold falsely? The Katrina response, and polling on the US reputation were all false? just to name a few? Those were all erroneous FACTS spewed by the media? Ok.

Goy, you failure. Go cheer rush and the rest of the anti-Obama crew.

Here’s a more complete list.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/1/24/224132/798

By the way, I’m ready to hand Obama a pink slip if he starts abusing the Constitution the way Bush did. If he’s vacationing in Chicago every third day I won’t sit quietly like you did for the past eight years you traitor.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:19 am 53. The Historian:

BLACK AMERICANS SUFFER FROM DISCONNECT
Obama didn’t change America. It’s been great all along.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/01/some-americans-finally-discover-their.html

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:26 am 54. The Wizard:

I feel like we now have the 2009 version of the Manchurian Candidate! Do I see “brown shirts” marching down the mall? Obama’s first call was to one of our sworn enemies. He now is releasing terrorists from GITMO. Denying press coverage — shades of Chavez and Putin.

This man is NOT THE MESSIAH. I am starting to doubt if he is even an American. Talk about hubris and audacity……I am frightened for the first time as an American! I fear our constitution, our freedoms, our rights and liberties will be squashed under Obama, all with the help of Pelosi, Ried, Dodd, Schumer,Conyers and Franks. In my heart, he will allow terrorist in the US, and we will suffer an attack far worse than 9/11.

Perhaps now, the MSM will do the job of vetting this egotistical demigod; one that should have been done 24 months ago.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:27 am 55. Jephnol:

Krusty,

You seem to represent well the blind, follower mentality of the left who fell into lock step after hearing “Bush lied, people died.” Facts be damned, you belong to a club! Somebody understands you! You can be popular! It’s no wonder you named yourself after Krusty on The Simpsons–you’re a clown. You didn’t even make that connection did you? A sad, unfunny clown. The only way your choice of name could have been more appropriate is if named yourself Incompetent.

Good job Krusty the Clown. Good job.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:30 am 56. johnbrown:

Even before the election, the lefties were touting the future accomplishments of BHO. It really is quite scary when the media and the people voluntarily overlook or ignore problems or questions about our President.

I am not wishing him to fail, or do I “hate” him. I am giving him a fair shot at running the country. He might do well after which he will have earned my confidence. He might flop after which he will have earned my scorn. I haven’t pre-declared him the best president ever, don’t hero worship or even think he is the next Savior.

To me he is just another politician who needs to be scrutinized in all his works. In CT our DCF head was just arrested for DUI. Politicians are NOT the best and brightest of the country, far from it. It is ridiculous to treat them as such.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:32 am 57. progressoverpeace:

BHO does not head a “cult of personality”. He is the leader of a “cult of idiocy”, which is far more dangerous.

Watching the idiot messiah take over the White House is like watching a shiny, new nuclear aircraft carrier steam out of port with a 12 year old captain, whose only qualifications include having played with rubber ships in the bathtub.

This will be ugly. Very, very ugly.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:36 am 58. Krusty:

Thanks Jephnol, what an arrogant arrogant post. I thought only the left held themselves up like that. I never said I was a liberal or left leaning. I’m pretty pissed off about the bailout, the expansion of the public sector as employer of last resort and the lack of accountability and diligence with which the bailout was deployed.

Facts…my facts, are decreasing real incomes, decreasing savings rates, decreasing standard of welfare for the masses, relative declines in education standards, reduction in transparency, an increase in corruption and an increase in global enmity directed at the U.S. Those are not subjective claims. Oh by the way I don’t lay all those at Bush’s feet, but he reversed not of those trends and exacerbated others.

Yup, just put me in the corner of your tiny mind with the other Obamaniacs. That way you can continue to view the world as black and white and live snug in your narrow world view.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:44 am 59. kelly k:

“I notice that over here in Europe the British papers are referring to Obama as the American… Princess Diana.”

A couple of nights ago, I watched The Queen with Helen Mirren as QEII. During the scenes of Diana’s mourners lost in puerile emotion outside of Buckingham Palace, I immediately thought of Obama supporters. And Queen Elizabeth stood in the windows watching it all, shocked, and thinking, “WTF?”

“Even most of the people who voted for Obama are not idolizing him.” You should come visit my office and read some of the Facebook messages from across the country that I’ve been seeing. In any conversation with Obama supporters, they will inform me that Obama will solve economic problem a, or social problem b, or ecological problem c. Not that he’ll work on them, but that he’ll solve them, just by the sheer force of his will and the clarity of his ideas. This is the Great Leap Forward for these people.

And every time this topic comes up on blogs, people like Krusty show up to inform us how sad and bitter and pathetic we all are. Because, you see, Bush Derangement Syndrome equals true patriots and progressives trying to protect the country from a dangerous tyrant. But anyone even questioning Obama’s radical past, the biased media, the irrational nature of Obama worship, etc., is just a bitter loser.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:44 am 60. Krusty:

progressoverpeace

Let me counter your stupid subjective non-sequitor with some data:

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bergen/bush.html

POP = stubborn failure

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:45 am 61. WestGuard:

“Cult of personality” aptly describes the empty suited two dimensional smiley button icon for “change.”
Change? I don’t want America changed. Maybe minor tweaks here and there, but no major change. There’s a reason That America is the greatest nation in the world and you don’t screw up a winning formula by changing it.

Here’s a penny for your socialist thoughts mr obummer, you can keep the change.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:00 am 62. Jephnol:

Krusty the Clown,

You’re painting yourself into a corner… The Bush attacks are a rehash of far left talking points and your whipping them out to make a point? You’re going to defend Obama…by ripping on Bush. Why should you have to do that? Because Obama has no record to stand on, no accomplishments clearly his own, and he has dubious if not outright objectionable connections.

Eight frigging years of this leftist, Bushhitler twisting things in knots is enough! We’re talking about having given the power of the United States government to this man and I think it deserves a sober assessment.

I do not believe you are as moderate as you say. There’s no reason to believe it. You started out in this thread with an arrogant comment and you’re offended by my comment?! You are a troll. And you rightly named yourself Krusty the Clown–a pathetic, unfunny failure.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:12 am 63. Battlecat:

I’m reserving judgment on Obama until he actually does something, but I can’t stand the irritating Obama-zombies. The hero worship is nauseatingly obscene.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:14 am 64. susan:

krusty you are pretty dense.

Why you leftist are so obsessed with what “the world” thinks?

Do you think the same “world” thought well of you during the vietnam war under a DEMOCRAT JFK? So why you don’t shame your own party too?

You democrats kill and murder (clinton bombed serbia WITHOUT CONGRESS APPROVAL – LEARN HISTORY) but you leftist are much better at hiding it.

And beside, grow up, leave the kindergarden and open your eyes to the harsh truth that the rest of the world mainly thinks at their own business and problem, nobody gives a damn about what happens to terrorist at guantanamo, just leftist hypocrites that are playing the victimhood card.

But you are too stupid to notice.

Have fun while the people who stone adulterers have such a high opinion of you.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:15 am 65. goy:

Krusty, you poor simple O-bot…

The steel tariff was temporary and unremarkable. There have been tariffs on various imports since long before Bush was around. And the amounts were hardly different than those imposed on other things – like clothes. Wassamatter – lose your shirt betting big on U.S. Steel? Poor you. Did the media convince you that was all Bush’s fault, and not the fault of the lazy steel industry? Poorer you.

Did you have a problem with Harriet Miers? So did plenty of folks. On both sides. Was her nomination illegal or in some other way unconstitutional? Uhm… no.

And what about Alberto Gonzalez? Or are you saying that because the timing was different, his actions should have been judged differently than his predecessors in other administrations? The entrenched media has apparently convinced you in that regard.

And just exactly what sort of torture do you think happened? And what sort of information do you think was or was not procured as a result? And exactly where did you read about this? CIA files? Or from the Anti-Bush media who published lies about what Joe Wilson IV didn’t find in Africa, and who revealed classified national security information during wartime – all without being held the slightest bit accountable?

No, the Iraq war was not sold falsely. The U.S. had been preparing for an invasion of Iraq since 1998, despite your apparent belief that all history began on January 20, 2001. Wilson lied. Fitzgerald ran a multi-year fishing expedition. WaPo cherry-picked Duelfer. The NYT spun every other detail – and continues to do so. You were duped by it all. Get over it. Think for yourself next time.

The Katrina response was the largest, fastest National Guard mobilization in U.S. history, despite what the entrenched media talking heads may have told you before they actually had any idea what was going on. Or were you referring to Ray Nagin’s criminal negligence? Or Governor Blanco’s delays while she made a decision? Just curious.

Polling on the US reputation? You’re kidding, right? Euros think what they’re told to think by Brussels, BBC and Reuters.

And you’ve only demonstrated your abject gullibility by linking to claims from DKos.

Oh, and you can hand BHO pink slips until you’re purple. My guess is he’ll just laugh at you. I would too.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:16 am 66. progressoverpeace:

to #60, Krusty,

LOL. Great “data” you pulled out there. It’s no wonder that you’re a devotee of the idiot messiah. You people will be the death of the United States.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:22 am 67. Kevin:

Krusty,
Your economic grasp of the present crisis is sound.
Clinton got the grill out and filled it with charcoal; Bush squirted lighter fluid all over the pile; now Obama is set to throw the proverbial match on top. Three wrongs do not make a right. I take it for granted that pols will jack up the economy. From Ulysses Grant to FDR to Carter to Clinton, Bush, and to Obama. HOWEVER, I do also expect my POTUS to have the moral clarity to know the difference between having one’s head lopped off with a dull machete and having h20 poured over it. And to understand that some people in this world, through no fault of the USAs, are despicable backwater fascists whose prophet was, in all likelihood, a syphilitic child-raping madman – who need to be snuffed out ASAP.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:27 am 68. goy:

- Facts…my facts, are decreasing real incomes…

LOL! Yeah, they are definitely YOUR facts, since you obviously made them up.

Just click here. Scroll to the far right to see the inflation-adjusted (i.e., real) INCREASE in disposable personal income from 2001-2006.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:27 am 69. AnninCA:

My take…..just my own opinion……is that Obama will suffer the pangs of not being transparent now.

People WERE frustrated. They totally understood Bush, Bush policies, and saw the specific decisions. They did NOT agree.

But Obama wisely chose to stick with generalities and suffer the pundits who pointed out that he never was specific.

Therefore, he postponed the pain of rejection. To me? This is smart from a politician. Let people get mad AFTER they have voted for you.

So, I think the honeymoon is over.

Here’s what I see so far.

He’s pushed through his spending bill under the guise of a stimulus bill. Nobody’s happy with that.

He’s adopted Bush’s policy on Israel.

He’s adopted Bush’s policy on Pakistan.

He made a big gesture about Gitmo. Without details. Just as Bush did.

I find him……Bush Lite.

That pleases this moderate, btw.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:35 am 70. progressoverpeace:

Kevin:

“HOWEVER, I do also expect my POTUS to have the moral clarity to know the difference between having one’s head lopped off with a dull machete and having h20 poured over it.”

It’s far worse than that, Kevin. The idiot messiah and his sheep think that calling someone names is torture. The total dislocation from reality is stunning, to say the least.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:38 am 71. susan:

krusty, chavez has said obama has bush’s smell, and hamas said it too, iran has burned photos of obama.

Well “the world” doesn’t love you anymore (AGAIN), what are you going to do? kill yourself?

You still have castro in awe and all the africans dictators tho.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:44 am 72. David S:

Go ahead and have a cult-watch. We’ve been watching the cult of Bush dismantle America for eight years. If Obama follows in Bush’s tradition of violating the Constitution, I’ll be at your side.

Meanwhile…the rest of us will be working to clean up the mess left by the previous occupant.

Obama’s election is a significant historical milestone, and a victory for the USA. His supporters expect a lot, and will hold him accountable, unlike the folks that continue to back up GWB in spite of his impressive string of failures.

It’s not about Obama – it is about America. If America is a cult of Constitutionalists, so be it.

Peace.

DS

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:50 am 73. Paul from Hamburg:

I will say again: We’ve had Palm Sunday. Eventually, we’ll have Good Friday.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:52 am 74. progressoverpeace:

#72 David S.:

“It’s not about Obama – it is about America. If America is a cult of Constitutionalists, so be it.”

A “cult of Constitutionalists”? That’s funny, seeing as the idiot messiah thinks that the Warren Court wasn’t even close to “radical”, as they didn’t “break free” of the restrictions placed in the Constitution by the Founders. And we also have the idiot messiah talking about how judges need to make their decisions based on empathy, instead of law.

You people are just insane.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:00 pm 75. susan:

“Meanwhile…the rest of us will be working to clean up the mess left by the previous occupant.”

PLEASE, since when you democraps ever WORKED?

“Obama’s election is a significant historical milestone, and a victory for the USA.”

yes, a victory of white guilt and affirmative action, MLK is rolling in his grave.

“His supporters expect a lot”

his supporters are a bunch of retarded on kool aid drinkers, they are too stupid to notice anything, even another 9-11.

“It’s not about Obama – it is about America. If America is a cult of Constitutionalists, so be it.”

your hero usually wipes his a$$ with the constitution, he called it several times obsolete and in need of re-writing. But you were drunk on kool aid

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:06 pm 76. David S:

@74

pop,

Keep on rehashing those FOX news talking points. Reality indicates otherwise.

What Obama was explaining is that the Constitution provides for three branches of government, and the civil rights movement depended too heavily on the judicial branch. That is the perspective of someone who understands the Constitution.

He noted that they didn’t break free of precedents that allowed Jim Crow to be the law for decades. Plessy v. Ferguson ring a bell?

the “traged[y]” Obama identified during the interview was that the civil rights movement relied too much on the courts in its efforts to bring about political and economic justice.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200810280021

On the other hand, our outgoing executive had this to say:

“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,” Bush screamed back. “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

http://www.comlinks.com/polintel/pi051214.htm

So, yeah, maybe I am insane, if believing that the Constitution is more than a piece of paper makes me insane.

Peace.

DS

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:19 pm 77. Retep:

Krusty…
Do you realize that your messiah is converting this country to socialism? Is that what you signed up for? Do you even know it means?

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:23 pm 78. David S:

@75

susan,

Democrats make better leaders for our economy, our military, and our judiciary. Try to keep up.

All the evidence available indicates that Obama supporters are more educated and better informed than the opposition.

If you have a quote from Obama regarding the Constitution, please share your citation. I’m very interested to learn what Obama considers obsolete and in need of re-writing.

Peace.

DS

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:24 pm 79. Krusty:

Hey GOY, you know real income fell in subsequent periods, right; that the increases we were seeing were due to gov’t and consumer debt fueled spending/consumptions and that inflation is vastly understated? Perhaps like the 25% of morons that still support Bush, you believed the economy was strong?

Also, I’m not looking for foreign love, but a moral high-ground and the ability to work with other countries is an asset, weather your jingoistic, xenophobic mind wants to admit it or not.

I never said I was a moderate. My positions are fairly extreme. I would like to see the dismantling of oligopolies, monopolies, and the massive public sector. I am very libertarian, in the purest sense, which means I can’t stand your moralizing bible thumping pink unicorn crap either.

Idiots and torturers are equally reprehensible: witness the last 8 years.

POP, way to take Obama out of context. Listenting to Hannity? Rush? which pundit rams her opinions up your ***?

In fact, in discussing judicial nominations, Obama’s references to “empathy” only suggest that he would seek individuals who were not tainted by the “culture wars” of the 1990s:

“We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. … I am absolutely convinced that Culture Wars are just so ’90s. Their days are growing dark.”

There’s nothing there about subverting law, just that cases should not be adjudicated in vacuums. Perhaps there should be universal condemnation for Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy out of wedlock? You were really offended by that, right? right? hypocritical moron.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:30 pm 80. progressoverpeace:

David S:

What Obama was explaining is that the Constitution provides for three branches of government, and the civil rights movement depended too heavily on the judicial branch. That is the perspective of someone who understands the Constitution.

He noted that they didn’t break free of precedents that allowed Jim Crow to be the law for decades. Plessy v. Ferguson ring a bell?

the “traged[y]” Obama identified during the interview was that the civil rights movement relied too much on the courts in its efforts to bring about political and economic justice.

Incorrect, David. Just go find what the idiot messiah said that I referenced (a little reality for you):

To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties.

Go argue with the idiot messiah about what he said.

As to the idiot messiah’s lack of understanding of the task of a judge, here’s another nugget from your idol:

We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that’s the criteria by which I’m going to be selecting my judges.

Pure insanity. And this fool is supposedly a Constitutional scholar? What a friggin’ joke.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:35 pm 81. progressoverpeace:

Hey Krusty, I loved your selective quoting:

“We need somebody who’s got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it’s like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it’s like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. … I am absolutely convinced that Culture Wars are just so ’90s. Their days are growing dark.”

What did you leave out in the ellipses? The interesting part. Don’t worry, I included it in my full quote above.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:38 pm 82. NMSC:

A third term?? Noooooo! Good god, we have to get this guy out after one term. Guiliani/Palin or Palin/Guiliani ‘12.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:40 pm 83. Rusty:

David (#72) “Obama’s election is a significant historical milestone, and a victory for the USA.”

In an earlier comment Kevin remarked that Obama has locked in the next generation. I think this is exactly the point and why people like David are celebrating. Generations are defined by their “pier moments.” For older Americans it was the Great Depression and World War II. These events required great individual sacrifice and taught individual responsibility. For most Americans in their 20’s and 30’s, they are desperately seeking something that they can latch onto. This election is the celebration of their “big accomplishment.”

The problem is, past generations have had to make great sacrifices before they were allowed to celebrate. Like Obama, they didn’t have to put in the time, develop a resume, or prove themselves. This is what makes them a cult of personality (not work) and Obama their cult leader.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:42 pm 84. susan:

“Democrats make better leaders for our economy, our military, and our judiciary. Try to keep up.”

Yes, i remember the very good figure of kennedy in talking with the russians, the bay of pigs and the very intelligent vietnam war.

LOL, it must be the reason why when there is a dhimmicrap president people resign from the army, because they don’t want to be lead by a coward moron. Try to be informed.

“All the evidence available indicates that Obama supporters are more educated and better informed than the opposition.”

the talking points of the daily kos is not “evidence”. People who voted for zerobama were voting their american idol president. The hype, cult and the empty rhetoric is the evidence under everybody’s eyes.

“If you have a quote from Obama regarding the Constitution, please share your citation. I’m very interested to learn what Obama considers obsolete and in need of re-writing.”

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79225

But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.

I know i am wasting my time, kool aid drinkers aren’t good debaters

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:50 pm 85. susan:

“Also, I’m not looking for foreign love, but a moral high-ground and the ability to work with other countries is an asset, weather your jingoistic, xenophobic mind wants to admit it or not. ”

dense krusty, i am not american, i am part of the pan-worldism that you crave for, moron.

LOL, moral higher ground, if after another terrorist attack you want to keep the moral higher ground, you will be considered simply as FRANCE 2, the other coward nation.

Keep dreaming about the rest of the world stroking your oversized ego, every other country doesn’t give a DAMN about what the neighbours think.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:54 pm 86. Anton:

76. David S:

Democrats make better leaders for our economy, our military, and our judiciary. Try to keep up.

Really?
FDR prolonged the Depression by ten years with his ham-handed programs. He stumbled into WW2 because he didn’t have the nerve to state a good case in front of the Congress. He ran an illegal naval war in the Atlantic for a year before Pearl Harbor was bombed. Then he slobbed around letting Churchill push us into pointless military campaigns in Africa, Sicliy and Italy, these cost thousands of casualties.He also wanted to expand the SCOTUS so that he could appoint judges that would kow-tow to him.

LBJ printed money by the bucket to cover his disasterous Great Society/Viet Nam experiment. A huge conscript army poorly trained and thrown aimlessly into a conflict that LBJ didn’t even have a plan for. The blood of many draftees as well as Cambodians and Vietnamese are on his hands. His social programs doomed our inner cities and destroyed the black family/social structure. The runaway inflation ruined the economy for a decade.

I remember the Carter years, stagflation, 20%APR mortgage rates, Iran, Afghanistan.

Yup, this is an exemplary crew.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:55 pm 87. Retep:

David S said:
Democrats make better leaders for our economy, our military, and our judiciary. Try to keep up.

All the evidence available indicates that Obama supporters are more educated and better informed than the opposition.

Really David? If your democrats are so smart why didn’t they prevent the financial mess we are in? They knew for at least 2 years these problems were coming and they were in positions to do something about it. The messiah was a sitting US Senator during this time too! And now the ivy-league educated Barney Frank is telling us that spending $40 million on landscaping for Washington DC monuments will somehow pull us out of this. Pathetic.

Jan 23, 2009 - 12:56 pm 88. Krusty:

POP – my bad on the quote. I ripped it from another site. There was no malice in the copy/paste, but I should have provided the full quote. The full quote is more informative but no more damning. The point was that we are humans with human frailties and not all infractions are equal (as I understood him).

Returning to my earlier point: I’ll take Obama with his flaws versus the disaster that was Bush that most people here are still pining for.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:00 pm 89. Word to the wise:

David S. What an idiot you are. Every major challenge facing this country is traceable to the Democrats What arrogant nonsense.
What are you 20 years old? Do you even have a job? Why would you belive what the democrats say about their enemies.

Most Democrats have never had a real job in their lives.

Better educated? Who would that be, Barney Frank? Pelosi? Al Gore? John Kerry? What idiotic notions you have. G. W. Bush has better education than most Kerry and Gore do. Bush had better grade than Kerry (and went Harvard Business School no less), and Gore flunked out of grad school. He could not even make through a Divinity School! What a moron.

Better indoctrinated is more like it. Ivy League idiots. They did a real good job on Wall St. didn’t they? (Most of those Wall Streeters you see are Democrats and if you new anything about the real world you would know that.) They believe in Global Warming, for crying out loud. How stupid do you have to be to believe in that?
Democrats are the most incompetent people in the country. Their incompetence is only surpassed by their arrogance. Most of them have never have had a real productive job — they just sponge off the tax payer. Knaves and fools all.

What are you going to do when you get out there and find that you cannot get a decent job, no decent person wants to marry you and you will be a government slave for the rest of your life?

Stop believing the lies of the Democrat Party.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:04 pm 90. Krusty:

Oh silly silly Susan. Your reading comprehension is truly miserable. When the US was a super power with carte blanche access to resources perhaps your attitude would fit. I think the US is going to have to pay heed to emerging economies and our debt holders (some are the same).

I’m not craving for world appeal, but on the margins, it should be easier to implement policy if other country’s citizens don’t hate you and your actions make you unelectable. I’m sure you know the examples – Spain for one. If you believe, on the margins, that a belligerent state is not disadvantaged, then there’s really not much else to say.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:05 pm 91. Word to the wise:

Krusty: You are a liar. You are a liberal.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:08 pm 92. TomD:

I don’t think he has what it takes.

It is not like campaigning, which is all he’s ever done.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:09 pm 93. Krusty:

Word? Really, the past 8 years with Republicans holding both the exec and legislative are free of blame? That’s some really really tortured logic. What are you a lobbyist?

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:09 pm 94. Word to the wise:

Krusty: you are projecting. Susan’s reading comprehension is just fine. It is you that are obtuse. Wage slave.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:10 pm 95. goy:

Krusty: - … you know real income fell in subsequent periods …
“Subsequent” being after the data I showed you, after the effects of the post-2006 Democrat congress’ suicidal energy and economic policies took hold? Sure. That’s what caused the mess we have now. That and the truly miraculous coincidence of the credit crisis blowing up precisely when BHO’s poll numbers were falling in October.

Up until that point we had consistent, real GDP growth and record federal revenue as a result. The economy absolutely was strong by any definition. We weren’t experiencing explosive growth, nor would that have been expected following the Clinton/9-11 recession, or desirable. As recently as January of 2007, the spending and revenue trends had the federal budget on track for balance by October of 2008. But that all changed when the P-O-R economy took hold and the new increased spending combined with the private sector’s distrust of the Dem-controlled Congress to weaken things overall. Obviously that distrust was warranted.

- Also, I’m not looking for foreign love, but a moral high-ground and the ability to work with other countries is an asset, …
Well then maybe you should start by examining the Russian, French and Chinese motivations for their O.F.F.- and weapons-sale-inspired antics back in 2002. If other countries aren’t going to act in good faith, their respect has no value.

Aside from that, when you’re already in a state of de facto war with an enemy who has refused to accede to the terms of the ceasefire he signed, and who consistently confounds international efforts to force him to comply with U.N. Resolutions, you have the moral high ground.

- … I can’t stand your moralizing bible thumping pink unicorn crap either.
Really? Well then you haven’t been paying any attention to anything I write – here or at my own site – since I don’t discuss the bible or pink unicorns. Ever.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:10 pm 96. Jephnol:

“Returning to my earlier point: I’ll take Obama with his flaws versus the disaster that was Bush that most people here are still pining for.”

Oh, thank God! Someone who actually knows about Obama’s flaws. You see, as far as I can tell, I mean with no record and all, nobody really knows anything but hope and change about Obama. Let’s throw a party and treat him like a savior! That’s it! It’s not naive. I believe! I believe!

Hope and change. Hope and change. Hope and change.

If everything works out really well, maybe he’ll lead us like Carter did!

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:12 pm 97. David S:

Wow. I guess I struck a nerve there. Try comparing the economic performance of Democrats versus Republicans.

I could go into greater depth regarding job creation, deficit finance, etc. It is sufficient to state that Republicans are not good for economic and job growth, and have proven to be fiscally reckless.

I could go into greater depth regarding military success as well, if folks are really having that much trouble figuring this out.

I have to admit, I’m getting bored refuting the same talking points over and over again.

Peace.

DS

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:13 pm 98. progressoverpeace:

Krusty, Bush had his problems (I was calling for his impeachment if McShame’s amnesty had passed and Bush signed it) but BHO will destroy the US, and I am speaking literally. Now that we have our monetary system totally tied to our economy, when our economy falls (and it will, thanks to the anti-competitive, anti-private sector, anti-growth, crazy environmentalist policies that the loony left is wed to) it will take the dollar with it, and with the end of the dollar comes the end of the US, in any of a variety of ways.

And BHO’s quote meant exactly what I said it meant – he places empathetic judgement over law in picking his judges. There’s no way to get around that. That is rule by men, not law. There is nothing more dangerous. The Founders would have dealt with people expressing this idea very, very harshly. With deadly harshness. But the idiot messiah has already expressed his disdain for our Founders and how they structured our nation (in the other quote I posted).

But, this is what we get with a Marxist who spent his formative years being raised in a totalitarian, muslim country. You know, there’s a reason BHO made the mistake with the “57 states”, along with many similar gaffes that no American would ever make (Americans tend to confuse 50 and 52, but never 57 or 58). Because he was not raised in America (for the most important years) and is really not American in his thinking or attitude. Not even close. You can also tell by the way he abuses the indefinite article. These are simple hints that tell a lot about the fool.

But … again … people didn’t think that having held multiple citizenships (and maybe still holding – no one knows) should have anything to do with taking the office of the Presidency. Well, at least his inauguration drew more people than his campaign stop in Berlin did. Yay!

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:19 pm 99. ReConUSMC:

49. ILikeIke:
“Democracies are not immune to the dangers of hero worship.”

Lesson #7 of “What I Learned from George W. Bush’s Presidency.”

I mean, he looked really good in that flight suit.

PS: ReConUSMC, you should buck up on your socialism/marxism because the things you described…as horrible as they might be…are not exactly socialist in nature…
______________________________________
My Hero’s were individuals not in the Collective .I don’t Worship anybody But I have a warm heart for those that gave their lives to keep this country free . Washington never Took a Penny in this 8 years saving this Nation .
Liberals don’t honor our Military and Block recruiting at my own College often .
We know that Capitalism is not Socialist in Nature thank God . I control me ….. Government Controls the collective .
Capitalism teaches You can make it if you try hard all on your own . Strong Individualism , Creativity is honored and Respected as is Success ! I We don’t believe Govt. is our Nannies . We see what has happened in the Black community the last 50’s destroying those big cites and people on full blown welfare as well .
Socialism teaches you are a Victim and Entitled and is based on the Collective mentally . Government is your Nanny .
Marxism teaches nothing since Slavery is required .
Obama are a Combo of the last two sadly .

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:22 pm 100. Krusty:

Goy, I disagree we had a strong economy. It’s like saying everything was good when we bought our 12 cars on credit. Look we have 12 cars!!! I’m not a fan of pure fiscal stimulus either, but I’m not giving Bush a pass. Also, your link (Jan 2007) is pretty good, but the guy is extrapolating data on a linear trend line for this data:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FiNhXIv5StE/SSapM83DVvI/AAAAAAAADeg/ZH_Kihz_MtQ/s1600-h/FederalReceiptsOutlaysInterest.png

That seems a little dishonest. Also, budget estimates were missing massive war spending/waste, which also has huge opportunity costs.

You’re right that foreign nations are pretty daisies that do whatever you want and play fair. My point, is that marginally, it’s easier.

Finally, I’m sorry if it seemed I was accusing you of mixing theism and politics. It was meant for the 95% of neocons on here that want to legislate morality.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:23 pm 101. goy:

- All the evidence available indicates that Obama supporters are more educated and better informed than the opposition.

LOL!!!!

Well… not exactly all the evidence.

So much for another of David S’ sweeping generalizations.

Go ahead Dave – equivocate. So far, it’s all you’ve got.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:29 pm 102. goy:

Krusty, the only likely reason you disagree about the economy is that you get your information from one of the news outlets with a vested, political interest in convincing everyone that the economy’s been tanking since Bush took office, which is the height of mendacity.

Also, if you take the time to understand Conover’s trend analysis, you’ll find that he’s being deliberately conservative (npi) to avoid exactly the unfounded criticism you just tried to level.

No, you missed my point. Foreign nations that do not act in good faith are not worthy of respect, nor should we be trying to earn theirs by joining suicide pacts and waiting for proven murderous tyrants to acquire nukes.

Also, if you would quit generalizing like David S, with crap like “95% of the neocons on here”, you might actually learn something. There aren’t that many conservatives – at least among those who frequent this site – who want to “legislate morality”, or any of the other conservative stereotypes to which you may subscribe. That’s why I spend time reading here as opposed to others where your stereotypes may or may not have merit. I think you’d be shocked at how un-conservative I and many others here really are. At least by contemporary, stereotypical definitions. Recognizing that BHO is a liar and a fraud doesn’t automatically make one a “neocon”.

Jan 23, 2009 - 1:39 pm 103. Martge:

How do you think this nobody got to be president? He danced and waving and chanted and gave speeches that other people had written for him. Once in a while someone like him comes along and people march in lockstep behind him. James Jones, Hitler (altho obama is not a Hitler) he has the charisma that Hitler presented so people will kiss his butt.

Look at the way the kids acted, screaming, fainting and crying while they were in the rallies. Isn’t that ‘ AMERICAN IDOLATION”. Only thing is they showed up at the polls to vote instead of phoning the vote in.

As soon as some one else comes along he will be forgotten and the MSM will see him as just another politican, and not a very good one at that.

Jan 23, 2009 - 2:01 pm 104. progressoverpeace:

“Democracies are not immune to the dangers of hero worship.”

In fact, democracies are highly susceptible to to these dangers, which is why democratic processes can only be allowed within governmental structures that are strong enough to withstand the stupidity and insanity that democratic processes bring with them. Of course, once you throw in universal suffrage with no requirements of competency or holding some sort of stake (like paying taxes to actually fund the government) you are sure to have started the countdown on the death of that government. Our Founders understood this very well, which is why in our Constitution only 1/2 of 1/3 of the federal government was declared to use democratic processes (just the House of Representatives).

“Democracy is the most vile form of government… democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention: have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property: and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

James Madison

“Democracy… while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”

John Adams

Jan 23, 2009 - 2:16 pm 105. wayne:

There is a term for that feeling of what is pushing its way up from your stomach that you have at every second of flipping thru the TV channels or papers for a moment of sanity or a reasonable or at least thought out media analysis of our new god…

Obammit – as in I want to Obammit all over the place.

Baaarrrrraaaaaaaack!!!!

You can’t stick your fingers in your ears far enough to keep out the sound or close you eyes tight enough to protect your vision. It’s become an universal image right out of “A Clockwork Orange” with the ONE saying over and over in answer to every question or objection … I won!

Jan 23, 2009 - 2:34 pm 106. ThinkingPerson:

Anybody else notice the “hero” in question having trouble answering questions at press conferences when not facing a teleprompter? Also found it funny when a Politico dared ask Obama a question when he was touring the press area and Obama “stared him down”. Scary.

Jan 23, 2009 - 2:45 pm 107. Delia:

“Obama’s win causes obsessive supporters to realize how empty their lives are…”
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_win_causes_obsessive

Just a little “LOL” parody that gave me a chuckle. Methinks there’s a nugget of truth in there somewhere.

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:06 pm 108. BERLET98:

MEET THE PRESS–Obama Style II

President Barack Hussein Transparency Obama,who had promised a “a new level of transparency” in public life is rapidly retreating to a new level of opaqueness within all of three days into his four year reign.

For those maleducated in American public schools, the word “transparency” in a political context means clarity, openness, honesty, candidness, and visibility as opposed to deceit, artfulness, concealment, secrecy, and opaqueness.

Why anyone would expect Obama to follow through on a pledge of transparency when his entire campaign, from questionable fund raising to his smarmy associations was cloaked in subterfuge and deception is beyond me but a majority of voters still bought into his baloney and voted for the guy.

Go figure but the baloney won’t last the test of time until 2012.

You can take a politician out of Chicago but you can’t take the seamy world of Chicago intrigue and crime out of the politician. Of all Obama’s camp followers, the mainstream media, the MSM, is the first that’s quickly coming to realize that the man is not what he seemed. More precisely, the man is all that he seemed to objective critics, though not to his media lapdogs and therein lay the shocker to them. That media, which never bothered to vet him or insist he serve some meat with his political pap, may be coming to realize he is the ultimate charlatan.

BHM may have been able to fool a press more than willing to be fooled but when he starts messing with their bread and butter, accessibility, the White House Press Corps tends to get downright ornery.

And he has begun messing with that accessibility.

Way back in November, 2007, when Barack Obama was still a “presidential hopeful,” the transparency issue had raised its ugly head with regard to his fund raising secretiveness: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/11/sweet_web_column_obamas_transp.html. That should have been a tipoff but the MSM never ran with it. Lapdogs by definition don’t run with much.

Media-types are somewhat less than pleased when they feel shut out. White House media-types can become all but rabid but instead of frothing in public, they tend to politely vent and save their foamy mouths for more intimate venues and circumstances, such as over a martini at The Reliable Source Bar at the National Press Club in D.C.

They vented at Robert Gibbs,…

(Read the rest of this article at http://genelalor.com/.)

Jan 23, 2009 - 3:20 pm 109. David S:

@106

TP.

I was elated to see how articulate our new President is compared to the previous one. Also a very friendly guy, by all accounts.

I didn’t see anything scary happen yet. Obama is a very cool character. That’s one thing to be thankful for. Maybe you saw him from a different angle?

DS

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:14 pm 110. ThinkingPerson:

#109 David S….. http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=264443

Not my opinion. See for yourself.

Jan 23, 2009 - 4:44 pm 111. Donna V.:

Rusty wrote:

In an earlier comment Kevin remarked that Obama has locked in the next generation.

He’s done no such thing. Obama has to actually govern now and we’re won’t be able to take a holiday from history like we did in the ’90’s. The younger generation that voted for Obama so enthusiastically will be graduating and will have bills and taxes to pay and will be thinking about starting their own families. The smooth talker will have to deliver.

What short memories people have. LBJ had the vote “locked in” in 1964 – and 4 years later, he was a beaten man. The Dems were locked in in 1976 and in 1980 the public couldn’t wait to toss Carter out. In 2002, things looked frightful for the donks and yet, I note they managed to recover.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:29 pm 112. fred:

Obama is not the problem. The American people are the problem. I fear we have lost the solidity of mind and spirit that our forebears had. Admittedly, of late I am depressed about what I see. Perhaps the most shocking thing of all is the stunning lack of circumspection on the part of the Obamamaniacs. These kiddies and lassies seem to be unaware that they are seamlessly right in that cult of personality thing. If you told them that they were, they really would look at you like you were the Hydra.

Jan 23, 2009 - 7:47 pm 113. vivo:

103. Martge:

“How do you think this nobody got to be president? He danced and waving and chanted and gave speeches that other people had written for him. Once in a while someone like him comes along and people march in lockstep behind him.”

Sounds like Bush. You forgot already?

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:01 pm 114. vivo:

112. fred:

“The American people are the problem. I fear we have lost the solidity of mind and spirit that our forebears had.”

Not everyone is to blame, but there are quite a few laggards. Learn from the past and look to the future.

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:08 pm 115. Delia:

Dear fred,

YOU AND ME BOTH! I’m [frankly] weirded out by the blind adoration of The One’s worshippers. To see what I’d HOPE would be ‘normally rational’ people give up all forms of coherent thinking and well…SANITY to the point where they will worship someone with no real policy other than their own twisted agenda, experience that a school teacher could surpass, associations that are corruption ad infinitum, utter LACK of transparency to the point of the ridiculous (whilst preaching it out his arse) and downright empty-lofty-ridiculous-chalkboard do-gooder let’s all get along and hold hands plans on the ‘outside’ whilst harboring dark, demonic plans on the inside.

I still don’t understand how blind and well…stupid people can be? Bush was a RINO but at least he truly LOVED AMERICA and wanted to keep us safe. What would have the “HOLE FILLED ONE” done on 9/11? The mere thought of it makes me cringe.

The teachers are robotizing our children into liberals. It didn’t always used to be that way. That’s for sure! Hand out a condom, talk about graphic sex but don’t you DARE mention GOD!

Hell in a handbag<–USA

I’m over angry. I’m scared and sad.

Jan 23, 2009 - 9:57 pm 116. Donna V.:

Fred: I remember what you wrote in a post last summer, namely, that socialism has never been discredited in the US, not among the campus and media elites. Well, the final discrediting may be at hand – because we know socialism is bound to fail. (Ironically, Europe is learning the lesson the hard way just as we turn toward socialism.) I have been depressed too, but I think in the long run this might be a lesson this nation has to learn. What worries me is what sort of hurt we will all have to endure before the country wakes up – another Great Depression? Thousands of Americans dead on our soil? The Cult of Personality will end at some point, but it won’t end painlessly.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:30 pm 117. Dave:

The website thankW.com has a Thank You note
to George W and Laura Bush. You made add
your own thoughts if you so wish. I have added
mine.

And if you wish to troll, go elsewhere. The sponsors will delete you.

And folks, if the bad guys were really winning,
Midland would not have given Dubya and Laura the
Welcome Home! they got. We shall prevail, never fear.

Jan 23, 2009 - 10:43 pm 118. TurfMonster:

It always cracks me up to see some left-winger denounce the Bush administration for it’s allegedly use of “torture” and then to see them turn around and state something to the effect that legislating morality is wrong, even potentially evil.

I wish I could say that this sort of thinking has only an entertainment value attached to it but it doesn’t, unfortunately.

Jan 23, 2009 - 11:53 pm 119. Pirate:

Ronald Reagan is the most recent example of a politician with a cult of personality outside of Obama.

That’s the danger for conservatives. Because we are talking about a guy that has the power to set our democratic debate on his terms for a generation.

The thing is, if it’s going to happen, then there isn’t really anyway to stop it, short of hoping Obama screws up.

Jan 24, 2009 - 3:24 am 120. vivo:

115. Delia:

“talk about graphic sex but don’t you DARE mention GOD!”

Sex has nothing to do with god . . .

Jan 24, 2009 - 4:57 am 121. vivo:

117. Dave:

“And folks, if the bad guys were really winning,”

That’s right, the bad guys went home to Texas . . .

Jan 24, 2009 - 4:59 am 122. Cybergeezer:

“His Emptiness” is showing his juvenile tendencies. He may start dressing like a rapper, and get body guards to match.

Jan 24, 2009 - 6:07 am 123. David S:

@122

Yes, and flaming unicorns may start shooting out my ass.

Where do you get this crap?

DS

Jan 24, 2009 - 8:20 am 124. David S:

@118

There is a huge difference between regulating private consensual behavior, and regulating the behavior of our police, courts and military.

If you don’t understand that, please refrain from voting. Thanks!

DS

Jan 24, 2009 - 8:22 am 125. susan:

“Oh silly silly Susan. Your reading comprehension is truly miserable. When the US was a super power with carte blanche access to resources perhaps your attitude would fit.”

if the US is not a superpower anymore we only have morons like yourself to thank.

Oh and I am european, and spain is bankrupt and irrelevant. But obviously mediocre brains like yourself have to set limited achievement for themselves, so spain is a good target.

Frankly, if you bypass all the super-lefty press in europe, we are laughing of your paparazzi president, more than 5 countries in europe had dictators in the past 100 years so we can recognize a charlatain all-words-no-substance when we see one.

Jan 24, 2009 - 8:55 am 126. susan:

“I was elated to see how articulate our new President is compared to the previous one. Also a very friendly guy, by all accounts.

I didn’t see anything scary happen yet. Obama is a very cool character. ”

sorry, i am not interested in your personal man-crush.

Wet painted teenagers like yourself are also crazy about this or that pop sensation, that doesn’t mean the act is talented.

Pointless to add that also Hitler was articulate, very friendly and loved animals and was a vegetarian.

You leftist are so guillable it’s not even fun.

Jan 24, 2009 - 9:04 am 127. susan:

“Sex has nothing to do with god . . .”

as your posts vivo have nothing to do with intelligence

Jan 24, 2009 - 9:05 am 128. Cybergeezer:

123. David S:
I see you write childrens books, too!

Jan 24, 2009 - 10:01 am 129. ThinkingPerson:

Don’t know about anyone else, but seeing Obama stumbling the first few days in office and already making some harmful decisions (Gitmo animals on US soil anyone?), it’s going to be a long 4 years. I’m just enjoying the little signs here and there of the MSM starting to come to their senses. When CNN is reporting that Obama isn’t allowing full access by reporters and photographers….the Pandora’s box is just about to open and there’s not enough Vivo’s or David S.’s out there in liberal land to hold it shut any longer. I am going to enjoy the ride!

Jan 24, 2009 - 10:17 am 130. Hindu:

America’s decline from a “republic” to a “democracy” has been accelerated by 24/7 news cycles, where the inept , regardless of their IQ, pass judgement on events which they are incapable of comprehending -either in the tactical terms or in the broader strategic terms – unencumbered by facts and patterns of history and guided only by cliches and fads. (Oprah made Obama). I wonder how they feel now, now that the predator strikes are continuing and warrantless eavesdroppings get tacit support from the saint.

I guess this is a tactical victory for the america-hating furriners (hey, i just happen to LOOK like one) in furrin countries . As I’ve said earlier, Conservatism is going to DIE if the noise made by the racists and kooks isn’t PROACTIVELY (thats the key) drowned out by solid-common-sense conservatives.

Jan 24, 2009 - 11:52 am 131. TurfMonster:

@124

Morality encompasses so much more than just the private behavior between consenting adults. An example, for instance, would be a politician lying to the public in order to get reelected. It’s a shame that we have so many people on the left who have such a poor understanding of this but that really isn’t my fault as they simply didn’t make the necessary effort to come to a proper understanding of what morality is.

And I’ll continue to keep on voting since I actually have a basic understanding of what morality is, as well as not suffering from any of the illusions of what sort of “problems” that the left thinks our government has in dealing with the “torture” of poor ol’ KSM and his two al Qaeda buddies in murder and mayhem. But, feel free to continue to fight for KSM: The rest of us will simply point out that folks like yourself are far more interested in protecting KSMs of the world from the American public than in protecting the American public from the KSMs of the world.

Jan 24, 2009 - 5:24 pm 132. David S:

@128 Cg:

“Jack of all trades.” It’s on my homepage. Sometimes only a flaming unicorn will do, although often an invisible one is more appropriate.

Peace.

DS

PS – They aren’t body guards so much as Secret Service. I, for one, would love to see Obama break out some bling, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. That’s not his style.

Jan 24, 2009 - 5:29 pm 133. Bilgeman:

#123 David S:

“Yes, and flaming unicorns may start shooting out my ass.”

YouTube video?

Look, man, I think what people are afraid of is a very valid concern that HAS happenned before, and has never ended well.

Let’s start with the kind of guy,(or gal), who seriously spends evry waking moment truly convinced that they are the best suited person of their time to be President.

We’re generally talking about people with a larger dose of ego than is healthy for them, are we not?

And I’d say that this is especially so for “self-made”, (still your howls about that for a minute, my fellow Conservatives); Heck, to get a get someone who ISN’T at least bordering on narcissim to run for the gig, we almost HAVE to look to “legacy” candidates from political dynasties, (Bush, Gore, Kennedy etcetera).

If you’ll grant the above, then we can move on, (as it were), to the effects of unbridled public adulation on a person who is already inclined to believe only the best about himself,(or herself).

It’s a very seductive thing for anyone to have everyone kissing their ass, and when the person who is being seduced is wielding power…well, if you can’t see the danger in that, then you’re a lot less intelligent than I gave you credit for.

One of the peculiar things about George Washington was that he first soured on the British because he was refused a commission in the British Army. He was what we would call a “Climber”, and this is evident in writings. He may be forgiven this perhaps, since it was his station to be born to Colonial Virginia’s Tidewater aristocracy, but the fact that when it REALLY counted, and he was offered the Crown of the United STates, he had the strength of character to go against his own nature and decline is what really makes him our greatest President.

Had Washington accepted, we perhaps would not have been a nation governed on democratic principles for a long, long time. We might not be one nation at all.

Now contrast Washington with the likes of a Richard Nixon or a Hillary Clinton.

They’d seize the crown that NOBODY had offered them.

Does that mean that Obama is immune to the -worship- of the “O-bots”, (great term, whoever that was…we’ve got our perjorative for the next four years!)?
I hope so…and I suspect that he is, but he bears watching.

That’s that “constant vigilance” thing we were warned about back in the Republic’s early days.

Jan 24, 2009 - 6:11 pm 134. Bilgeman:

David S.:

A postscript to my comment above.

It would not surprise me if Obama voluntarily served only one term.

There are some solid reasons for this.

As long as I can remember, (I came into this world during the JFK/LBJ Administration), a President’s second term is when he gets damaged the most, (unless you’re Jimmuh Carter, or Gerald Ford…and let’s be honest, all the Presidency did for Ford was interrupt his golf game).

Obama has a racial legacy, whether he likes it or not. If he does poorly, then “The One” might end up being “The ONLY One!” for a long time. I don’t think he wants that.
If he has a nice, quiet, humdrum, “caretaker” kind of Presidency, (and good luck with THAT ‘un!), then gracefully steps aside, he will be the eminence grise of the Left’s political brahmins for decades to come.
(As opposed to Bill Clinton, whom nearly everyone just wishes would disappear).

I don’t think Obama is a stupid man,(although some of his political supporters certainly appear to be booger-eatin’ morons of the first water), and if I’m right, then he should know that for all his “remaking America” jibber-jabber, he may really get only 2 or 3 solid initiatives underway in his time.

Jan 24, 2009 - 6:23 pm 135. progressoverpeace:

@134 Bilgeman,

Very well stated. I only disagree with your assessment of the Precedent’s intelligence. I believe him to be pretty stupid – a very shallow thinker.

P.S. That was not a typo.

Jan 24, 2009 - 7:56 pm 136. Cat:

“Obama, meanwhile, has done what he’s said, reached across the aisle and is slowly improving our reputation across the seas.”
LOL – You liberal. You are so worried what the world thinks. That is the problem with liberals, they don’t care about their country, only the other far left countries. You have joined the BO Cult – Socialist. We can’t forget that Jim Jones was a socialist and also a Cult.

Jan 24, 2009 - 7:56 pm 137. JackT:

What do you expect? We’re just so overwhelmingly ecstatic that Bush is gone, we can’t contain ourselves. It’s like this heavy, heavy dark cloud has been lifted. The world took a collective sigh of relief, ding dong the witch is dead, you know. Don’t worry, it’ll die down a bit later on. However, he is more interesting, more charismatic, smarter, better looking, cooler, hipper, and more charming. So I suspect that he and his family will always be intriguing to us. He’s got the good will of the planet behind him. That’s some really powerful stuff, dude.

Jan 24, 2009 - 10:22 pm 138. Delia:

120. vivo

Sex has nothing to do with god . . .

Obviously you haven’t perused the vegetable section much. If I didn’t have a clean mind I’d almost consider some of the fruits and veges slightly…er…porno.

Jan 24, 2009 - 11:42 pm 139. vivo:

138. Delia:

“Obviously you haven’t perused the vegetable section much. ”

I’m glad you enjoy your veggies . . .

Jan 25, 2009 - 1:42 am 140. vivo:

125. susan:

““Oh silly silly Susan. Your reading comprehension is truly miserable.””

“if the US is not a superpower anymore we only have morons like yourself to thank.

But obviously mediocre brains like yourself”

Have you noticed that everyone is a moron but yourself? Hmmmm . . . That’s all you have to say. Hmmmm . . . I wonder if what you say is a reflection of yourself? I wonder no more.

Jan 25, 2009 - 1:53 am 141. bit:

hahaha neocons are gettin’angry;) People from a surrealist world in which Guantanamo and torturing people seem to be their greatest ideals… You just do not understand. Look around and learn. Get a life…

Jan 25, 2009 - 4:48 am 142. Bilgeman:

#135 POP:

“Very well stated. I only disagree with your assessment of the Precedent’s intelligence. I believe him to be pretty stupid – a very shallow thinker.”

Thanks, I like to think that I manage something other than a bunt once in a while.

I don’t think we should fall into the trap that our Leftist chums did over the past 8 years and delude ourselves that Obama is a dullard…he came out of the Chicagoland political scene without getting convicted or even indicted for anything…that should count as a testament of SOME sort, shouldn’t it?

And truth be told, I never credited “W” for being a particularly deep thinker. It’s one of the thngs I liked about the man. Compared to his Rhodes Scholar and Hillbilly Philospher extraordinaire predecessor, I found “W”s simplicity a refreshing change.

I also recall something that H. Ross Perot,(now THERE was an ego for you!), once said, words to the effect that every President wakes up in the morning wanting to do the right and good thing for the country…and then Jesus Christ pops up down in Waco.

I doubt that Obama’s much different than any other self-absorbed boob who has sat in the Big Chair.

A lot of his staff and Cabinet picks have really enraged his fan base,(I think that’s the apt term), over on the far Left.
He might actually be trying to reach out towards the Right.
He might also be trying to triangulate us, but only time will tell.

As it stands, with a Democrat-controlled Congress, he can pretty much do what he likes for the next two years,(as long as the key Leftist constituencies get their baksheesh), so let’s see what else he does.

If he can mollify the mouth-breathing dirt merchants that make up the O-bot vanguard with a few soothing words and little else, then that’s not so different from how Ronald Reagan used to stroke the Moral Majority and the fiscal conservatives with his Happy Sounds about school prayer and the line-item veto. I rememember those getting trotted out and larded in the Gipper’s speechifyin’ every other year or so.

Jan 25, 2009 - 5:27 am 143. susan:

“Have you noticed that everyone is a moron but yourself? Hmmmm . . . That’s all you have to say. Hmmmm . . . I wonder if what you say is a reflection of yourself? I wonder no more.”

evidence that i think everyone is a moron?

ok, none, it’s usually you, the idiot talking and believing you are making a point.

Who is the retard? conservatives on a conservative blog or leftist on a conservative blog calling others stupid?

aaah tough one. What kind of mental test you don’t pass at daily kos?

Jan 25, 2009 - 5:39 am 144. susan:

“However, he is more interesting, more charismatic, smarter, better looking, cooler, hipper, and more charming.”

it’s called having a man-crush, usually it involves teenagers in high school, but the obamatrons bring adolescence to senility.

Jan 25, 2009 - 5:41 am 145. Cybergeezer:

So, where’s the article drawing the similarities of Obama and Jesus Christ? Certainly they said the same things about each; Such as “This guy says he is going to save the world; Who is he really? What do we know of them? ”
I’d write it myself, but I’d be excommunicated by the Pope. And I’d probably puke on my keyboard.

Jan 25, 2009 - 7:06 am 146. vivo:

143. susan:

“Who is the retard? conservatives on a conservative blog or leftist on a conservative blog calling others stupid?”

I didn’t expect this comment from a supposedly smart and informed person. An analogy to the conservative/conservative blog is like going only to a McDonald’s all the time when there are zillion other restaurants. How do you get to know what conservatives are thinking if you don’t mingle with them?

What happens to me is that I read the opinions, but the ones that are creepy and ignorant are the ones that I deal with. Like yours. Why would I bother with people in their right mind?

Besides, PJM is a well designed blog and fun to read.

Jan 25, 2009 - 11:03 pm 147. David S:

@133. Bilgeman:

YouTube video?

Nope. Pay-per-view. Capitalism 101.

Let’s start with the kind of guy,(or gal), who seriously spends evry waking moment truly convinced that they are the best suited person of their time to be President.

We’re generally talking about people with a larger dose of ego than is healthy for them, are we not?

This is a typical rhetorical argument. The old saying is that “Anyone who wants to be President should be barred from the office.” I’m afraid that’s a hollow argument. Do we really want someone as President that doesn’t believe they can do a good job?

And I’d say that this is especially so for “self-made”, (still your howls about that for a minute, my fellow Conservatives); Heck, to get a get someone who ISN’T at least bordering on narcissim to run for the gig, we almost HAVE to look to “legacy” candidates from political dynasties, (Bush, Gore, Kennedy etcetera).

Here I disagree most vehemently. Obama knows his capacities because he is a “self-made” man. “Legacy” candidates like Bush are a much poorer choice, because they have not really been tested, and believe that they have a right to their position – rather than an obligation to earn it.

If you’ll grant the above, then we can move on, (as it were), to the effects of unbridled public adulation on a person who is already inclined to believe only the best about himself,(or herself).

I won’t, but go on…

It’s a very seductive thing for anyone to have everyone kissing their ass, and when the person who is being seduced is wielding power…well, if you can’t see the danger in that, then you’re a lot less intelligent than I gave you credit for.

Thankfully there are folks like yourself around to provide a counterpoint to any ass-kissing that may take place. Thanks! If you actually took a look at the appointments Obama has been making, you’ll see that ass-kissing ability is not his #1 criteria.

One of the peculiar things about George Washington was that he first soured on the British because he was refused a commission in the British Army. He was what we would call a “Climber”, and this is evident in writings. He may be forgiven this perhaps, since it was his station to be born to Colonial Virginia’s Tidewater aristocracy, but the fact that when it REALLY counted, and he was offered the Crown of the United STates, he had the strength of character to go against his own nature and decline is what really makes him our greatest President.

Had Washington accepted, we perhaps would not have been a nation governed on democratic principles for a long, long time. We might not be one nation at all.

Many of us were getting worried that the “decider” was taking us down that path. Thankfully the Republic is durable, and continues on.

Now contrast Washington with the likes of a Richard Nixon or a Hillary Clinton.

They’d seize the crown that NOBODY had offered them.

I’d say you might want to replace “Hillary Clinton” with “George W Bush” in that formulation. GWB is the closest thing to a hereditary monarch that our nation has ever had.

Does that mean that Obama is immune to the -worship- of the “O-bots”, (great term, whoever that was…we’ve got our perjorative for the next four years!)?
I hope so…and I suspect that he is, but he bears watching.

That’s that “constant vigilance” thing we were warned about back in the Republic’s early days.

Yep. Been practicing that full time.

@134. Bilgeman:

It would not surprise me if Obama voluntarily served only one term.

There are some solid reasons for this.

I would be quite surprised if Obama were to bow out. I think he should have no trouble winning a second term, where he could get more of his long term goals accomplished.

As long as I can remember, (I came into this world during the JFK/LBJ Administration), a President’s second term is when he gets damaged the most, (unless you’re Jimmuh Carter, or Gerald Ford…and let’s be honest, all the Presidency did for Ford was interrupt his golf game).

This is not Obama’s concern. His focus is on what is best for the USA – and that is likely to include a 2nd term for himself.

Obama has a racial legacy, whether he likes it or not. If he does poorly, then “The One” might end up being “The ONLY One!” for a long time. I don’t think he wants that.
If he has a nice, quiet, humdrum, “caretaker” kind of Presidency, (and good luck with THAT ‘un!), then gracefully steps aside, he will be the eminence grise of the Left’s political brahmins for decades to come.
(As opposed to Bill Clinton, whom nearly everyone just wishes would disappear).

Obama does not have the luxury of a caretaker Presidency. He has really serious issues to resolve for the sake of the USA, thanks to our previous occupant. His first term has to be very active and ambitious to move his agenda and the nation forward. It is likely that he will need a second term to get to many of the longer-term issues with the Federal govt.

I don’t think Obama is a stupid man,(although some of his political supporters certainly appear to be booger-eatin’ morons of the first water), and if I’m right, then he should know that for all his “remaking America” jibber-jabber, he may really get only 2 or 3 solid initiatives underway in his time.

Obama has a huge opportunity to get a lot more than this done if he can contain and harness the energy of his supporters. He has a nearly complete majority in congress, where the GOP only has enough power to be a minor annoyance, or in rare cases an obstruction. There is no reason that Obama should not serve two terms and get a large portion of his initiatives written into law.

You haven’t really offered any good reason Obama would step down after one term. He is an extremely competent person, facing an extremely difficult set of circumstances. If he lives up to his potential, he will carry the USA to new heights by the end of his second term. The tough part will be finding a Democrat to take his place when his time is up.

Peace.

DS

Jan 27, 2009 - 11:14 am 148. Bilgeman:

David S:

“Many of us were getting worried that the “decider” was taking us down that path. Thankfully the Republic is durable, and continues on.”

Were you sent to the Halliburton Labor Camps? I heard the grub wasn’t too bad there…

Y’know, after having a few discussions with you, I’m inclined to prefer my moonbats to be of the “barking” variety, rather than the “stealth” kind like yourself.

“I’d say you might want to replace “Hillary Clinton” with “George W Bush” in that formulation. GWB is the closest thing to a hereditary monarch that our nation has ever had.”

See? That’s what I mean. You usually sound very reasonable, (for one of your ilk), but then it’s like this mental picture of “W” pops ino your nugget, and you give in to an irresistible urge to fall face first on the floor and start chewing the carpet while howling at the chandelier about BusHitler Halliburton RoveCo, in mid-conversation.

It’s very disconcerting. Rather like discussing a ball-game with a fellow and he nonchalantly just starts urinating on himself, y’know?

But that’s only the half of it.

“I think he should have no trouble winning a second term, where he could get more of his long term goals accomplished.”

Jumping the gun a bit, aren’t we? Here we are a week into Obama’s first term, and you’re apparently ready to repeal the Amendment and vote for the chap who claims to have born in Hawaii TWO more times.

“He is an extremely competent person, facing an extremely difficult set of circumstances.”

Just out of curiosity, what…exactly…in Obama’s VAST record of public service leads you to conclude that he is competent?

I’ll spot you he’s the Heavyweight Champion at voting “Present”.
And he did manage to worm through Chicagoland politics without an indictment, but other than that…

“If he lives up to his potential,”

Sure sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about that, so why the equivocation?

And all that above is the OTHER half of what I was talking about.

There you were, writhing on the floor rapping like the “Exorcist” and gnawing through the throw rug, and the image of Obama beams onto that drive-in screen inside of your coconut.

You pipe down, get a beatific look on your mug, and levitate 6 feet in the air on a shaft of sunlight.

I’m not trying to say you’re a kook or anything…but dude,you are giving a hell of an impression of a slobbering madman.

Obama is not the Messiah. Bush was not the AntiChrist. They’re just a pair of schlubs who got what they wished for.

Jan 28, 2009 - 4:40 pm 149. David S:

@148 BM,

“Many of us were getting worried that the “decider” was taking us down that path. Thankfully the Republic is durable, and continues on.”

Were you sent to the Halliburton Labor Camps? I heard the grub wasn’t too bad there…

Y’know, after having a few discussions with you, I’m inclined to prefer my moonbats to be of the “barking” variety, rather than the “stealth” kind like yourself.

Funny that. I’d much rather have a reasonable discussion than a shouting match. To each his own. I skipped the labor camps, but I hear the no-bid contract was quite lucrative.

“I’d say you might want to replace “Hillary Clinton” with “George W Bush” in that formulation. GWB is the closest thing to a hereditary monarch that our nation has ever had.”

See? That’s what I mean. You usually sound very reasonable, (for one of your ilk), but then it’s like this mental picture of “W” pops ino your nugget, and you give in to an irresistible urge to fall face first on the floor and start chewing the carpet while howling at the chandelier about BusHitler Halliburton RoveCo, in mid-conversation.

In case you hadn’t noticed, GWB was the first legacy president we’ve had in a very long time. And Hillary didn’t even win the primary. Without his legacy, Bush would never have been allowed near the White House. You may think it looks like chewing the carpet, but actually you are the one that looks like a rug-muncher for bringing up Hillary as an example without noting the elephant in the room. Would you vote for Jeb, too?

It’s very disconcerting. Rather like discussing a ball-game with a fellow and he nonchalantly just starts urinating on himself, y’know?

But that’s only the half of it.

The funny part is you have been pissing on my leg the whole time. I just pointed it out, and now you blame me for your own poor aim.

“I think he should have no trouble winning a second term, where he could get more of his long term goals accomplished.”

Jumping the gun a bit, aren’t we? Here we are a week into Obama’s first term, and you’re apparently ready to repeal the Amendment and vote for the chap who claims to have born in Hawaii TWO more times.

Certainly I’m looking a little farther ahead here, but you’re the one suggesting a change to the Constitution. I think Obama should plan for success. It would be foolish not to.

“He is an extremely competent person, facing an extremely difficult set of circumstances.”

Just out of curiosity, what…exactly…in Obama’s VAST record of public service leads you to conclude that he is competent?

I’ll spot you he’s the Heavyweight Champion at voting “Present”.
And he did manage to worm through Chicagoland politics without an indictment, but other than that…

“If he lives up to his potential,”

Sure sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about that, so why the equivocation?

I know that Obama is competent because of his performance to date, but he still has to prove that he can handle the job of POTUS. I know he is capable and competent, but he will have to demonstrate his capacity with performance. Is this really that hard to understand?

And all that above is the OTHER half of what I was talking about.

There you were, writhing on the floor rapping like the “Exorcist” and gnawing through the throw rug, and the image of Obama beams onto that drive-in screen inside of your coconut.

You pipe down, get a beatific look on your mug, and levitate 6 feet in the air on a shaft of sunlight.

I’m not trying to say you’re a kook or anything…but dude,you are giving a hell of an impression of a slobbering madman.

Obama is not the Messiah. Bush was not the AntiChrist. They’re just a pair of schlubs who got what they wished for.

Yes, we have two schlubs who got what they wished for. Neither is divine. Your image of carpet munching speaks to your own interests more than mine. That you see me as a slobbering madman is quite revealing. As you note above, I sound quite reasonable. The connection you fail to make is that I am quite reasonable. The slobbering madman you will meet only in your own mirror.

You have no rebuttal to my argument. Obama is quite likely to serve two terms, and be one of our better leaders. So keep on with your barking wingnut routine, and I will keep up my reasonable articulation of why you are wrong.

Peace.

DS

Jan 29, 2009 - 7:43 am 150. Bilgeman:

DS:

“You have no rebuttal to my argument.”

Izzatso? Here I asked you to give me some specific concrete ObamAccomplishment:

“Just out of curiosity, what…exactly…in Obama’s VAST record of public service leads you to conclude that he is competent?”

to which you replied:

“I know that Obama is competent because of his performance to date…”

Fella…you balked.

Look, it wasn’t my intention to harsh your Obamahigh or anything, but I reckoned that while you’re floating up there in mid-air, fartin’ with the angels and suchlike, you could easily drum up a fact or two that an earthbound, (or sea-bound, in my case), pedestrian could hang his hat on regarding Obama’s competence at much of anything beyond campaigning for office…and I’ve still received nothing more concrete than your heartfelt declaration of ObamaFaith.

“Without his legacy, Bush would never have been allowed near the White House. You may think it looks like chewing the carpet, but actually you are the one that looks like a rug-muncher for bringing up Hillary as an example without noting the elephant in the room. Would you vote for Jeb, too?”

Ooops…there it is! That “W” spasm you’re prone to.

You really can’t say anything good about our 43rd Preznit, can you? The fact that he was Governor of Texas, and by all accounts did a fairly creditable job of it, just slides right off that apparently teflon-coated segment of your grey matter, doesn’t it?

It may be spreading,(which is cause for alarm), because it apparently is bleeding over to the “Jeb Bush” aisle in your skull. I’m not a Floridian, but I work with scads of ‘em, (mostly Yankee tax and snow-refugees), and from what I hear, Jeb was a pretty good governor.

“W” being born into the Bush family certainly didn’t hurt his chances, but I’d observe that after Bill Clinton’s conduct in office, the media, (whose creature he was, heart and soul), was so mortified that they didn’t have the heart to seriously oppose “W”’s run.
Way back in late 1998 and early 1999, we knew that “W” was going to be the next Prez.
In actuality, it was the second term that was denied to Bush 41 by the convergence of an economic downturn,(which ended exactly when 41 said it would), and the candidacy of H. Ross Whack-job and his magic Voodoo Stick.

So while leagcy certainly played a part, circumstances were by far the greater credit to “W”’s election.

“The funny part is you have been pissing on my leg the whole time.”

In Muncie, it’s a fraternal mark of respect, (or so I’ve been informed).

Jan 29, 2009 - 9:59 am 151. David S:

@150 BM,

I’m sorry. I made the mistake of thinking that you were capable of researching your own talking points, while all along the problem is that you don’t know how. Here, let me help you:

** First legislation, the HOPE Act, which increased Pell Grants to $5100, and later joined Senator Kennedy on the Higher Education legislation that passed July 20, by a vote of 78-18…

**The Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006
is an act that requires the full disclosure of all entities or organizations receiving federal funds beginning in fiscal year (FY) 2007 on a website maintained by the Office of Management and Budget.

**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act
Authored by U.S. Sens. Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL), the Lugar-Obama initiative expands U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department’s ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction.
Signed into Law on January 11, 2007.

DU

Senator Obama’s fight for universal children’s health care in Illinois.
His success bringing Republicans and Democrats together on bills such as the one in Illinois requiring police interrogations and confessions to be videotaped.
His leadership on ethics reform in Washington.
His bill to make the federal budget far more transparent and accessible to Americans via the Internet — we could use that openness in Texas.
And his vital work with Republicans to lock down nuclear weapons around the world.

Watson

Looks like a good start to me. There’s more if you care to look for yourself.

I’m sure you are familiar with the shortcomings of the State of Texas under Bush… right? Could you share who told you Bush did a “fairly creditable” job of it? I haven’t heard that line before. Maybe with a citation you could make it stick? Oh, right. You don’t do research. Got it.

Yeah, Jeb was a good governor. Who has been blowing all this smoke up your stack? And why do you keep sucking it up?

These two are no model governors, if that is what you were trying to imply. Cutting taxes for the rich may make your retiree friends happy, but most folks in both states got the shorter end of that stick. And your statement that you knew “W” would be elected as early as 1998 – well, let me just say that Stalin would be proud.

You can keep pissing in the wind, or you can actually check the facts. Your choice.

Peace.

DS

Jan 29, 2009 - 7:24 pm 152. Bilgeman:

DS:

” I made the mistake of thinking that you were capable of researching your own talking points, ”

Uhhh, Dave…I wasn’t the guy who made claims that Obama was competent…you were.
Therefore, they are your “talking points”, not mine.

Jan 31, 2009 - 4:54 pm 153. David S:

You asked me to indicate what in Obamas record led me to my belief in his competence. You didn’t like my answer to your query, and called it a balk.

You’re the one denigrating Obama’s competence without saying why, and insisting that I provide a detailed accounting. Why?

DS

Jan 31, 2009 - 7:19 pm 154. Bilgeman:

DS:

“You’re the one denigrating Obama’s competence without saying why, and insisting that I provide a detailed accounting. Why?”

I’m not denigrating…I’m being skeptical. You know, the way you are with Republicans.

Why I’m being skeptical? Well gee, fella…the Allegedly Hawaiian-born Big Kahuna just happenned to be the LEAST experienced candidate fielded by either major party for any of the top slots.

I don’ think that inquiring what the rationale was for the great big Obama Hootenanny of 2008 is a beyond-the-pale query.

Jan 31, 2009 - 8:07 pm

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