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1. JHM:

Resistance is futile. Comrade Soros will buy you all up.

Happy days.

Feb 22, 2009 - 1:09 am 2. David Thomson:

“The president knows them and he will use them.”

They are still in the minority. These leftist crazies are easily outnumbered by the sane and sensible people of this country. The latter simply must get their act together and cease being intimidated by false charges of racism and other slanderous allegations. We have the odds easily in our favor—as long as we are willing to put in the effort.

Feb 22, 2009 - 3:26 am 3. formwiz:

A couple of points you misconstrue. First, there is no “might” about ACORN having a place at the table. Whom do you think Obambi intends to have do the census?

Second, Soros is not in the alliance, he IS the alliance. He is to Obambi what David Rockefeller was to Jimmy Carter; just as Rockefeller bought the Presidency and handed it to Peanut to do his bidding, so it is with Soros.

I have to laugh when you say Obambi became “expressed frustration at what he was able to accomplish as a neighborhood agitator (that’s really what a “community organizer” is); like everything else he’s ever tried to do, except run for office, he was a failure. However, the community he organized the most is the taxpayers and, right now, they’re on the other side and mad as Hell.

Oops.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:17 am 4. LeighB:

When is TCPOTUS going to stop campaigning and get to work? Is he just going to talk for four years?

His style of leadership is so foreign to me that I don’t even recognize it as such. Perhaps we are all on our own and need to figure out things for ourselves. I’m with David Thomson on this, there are many sane and sensible people in this country and we need to keep moving forward and outlast this season of hopey-change.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:46 am 5. Bilgeman:

Mr. Lasky:
” I am more inclined to believe that President Obama will not look towards ACORN to work his magic. He may not throw them under the bus, but now that he is president he may choose not to tarnish his reputation by working with a group that has a tarnished reputation of their own.”

But Obama will work with Jimmy Hoffa Jr,’s TEAMSTERS?

If his past performance is any guide, he’ll gladly use ACORN until their stench starts threatening his position, and then, like he did with the man he could no more denounce than he could his own father, he’ll earnestly say:

“That’s not the ACORN that I knew.”

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:51 am 6. Jo:

Progressives? Liberals? Socialists? Take your pick. We will all be comrades soon.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:55 am 7. PAR:

It is time to demonstrate what the real Americans believe and not allow the crazies to dominate the conversation. While Obamas approval ratings drop below 60% CNN goes on saying they are much higher. With less than 40% approving the spending plan CNN says it is 50%. The liberal media will do anything to mislead the ordinary taxpayers, who see this corruption of our system for what it is, into thinking they are in the minority.

The tea parties being discussed are great, but they are difficult to organize across the nation. There needs to be a coordinated effort. A date selected and well advertised for a national strike by the taxpayers. No work and no spending to make our point and show solidarity.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:19 am 8. devildog666:

We have nothing to fear but Obama himself.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:51 am 9. CFB:

“These leftist crazies are easily outnumbered by the sane and sensible people of this country.”

I don’t know, David T. I used to believe this before the election as an article of faith. Now, not so much.

The good news is, as exclusive clubs Moveon and the Sierra Club can only preach to the choir. They’re not going to reach anyone they haven’t reached already.

Ditto CNN. Fewer and fewer people get their news from Obama shills like CNN. More people watch Nancy Grace than watch CNN. Nor are Olbermann’s or Rachel Maddox’s audiences growing. Thank god.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:52 am 10. Delia:

We have flowery [albeit stuttery] speeches while the egotistical CP shucks and jives us into submission.

We are a NATION SCREWED.

Feb 22, 2009 - 6:02 am 11. drjohn:

If you attempt to resist, ACORN will seize your house.

Nice.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:52 am 12. Ron:

There are solutions for all of this. Option (1) The slow method. Conservatives could just take a step back and let those who want abortions get abortions and those men who want to marry men, marry men and those women who want marry women, marry women. This would confuses them because they would think they’ve won but in reality, the out come of this would be in two generations there wouldn’t be any Democrats. Option (2) The fast method. Show them real bipartisanship and take by force all members of the congress republicans and democrats alike, all federal judges including the Supreme Court, the president and VP including there staff into custody shipping them all to Gitmo and charge them with un-American actives. Then start over. OK!?

Feb 22, 2009 - 9:25 am 13. one of your own:

Here we are in the worst economic downturn in generations. And we’re not alone. The world’s economies are suffering. These extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. It’s the American way.

And yet, the very first time we’re asked to sacrifice, everybody starts crying like a bunch of five-year-old kids. “How come Johnny gets to use crutches. I want crutches, too!”

Well, Britt, you see Johnny’s leg is broken and he needs crutches to walk for the next few weeks.

“I don’t care. It’s not fair!”

This is pathetic. The spoiled brats aren’t the people who may get a chance at recovering from financial ruin. The spoiled brats are the people too greedy or infantile to help them. How would you feel about a government program that gives everybody a free Glock?

i don’t make much money,but I’m willing to give up a few bucks to help people in trouble and to get this economy moving again. And I don’t expect Obama to fix everything in 30 days.

Shame on all of you.

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:07 am 14. David Thomson:

“I don’t know, David T. I used to believe this before the election as an article of faith. Now, not so much.”

The majority of whites—and sensible minorities are intimidated by race card politics. Whites desire to prove that “I’m not a racist,” and centrist people of color are worried sick about being branded as an Uncle Tom. We simply must fight back. And yes, we represent the majority. The recent election revolved around two harsh facts of life:

1.) The silliness of John McCain. I am glad that he lost the election. He’s too anxious to prove that he is a “maverick.”
2.) The deceitfulness of the MSM regarding its coverage of Barack Obama. Many voters were conned into believing that he was a middle-of-road candidate.

The American voters did not vote for the real Obama. They voted instead for the imaginary one.

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:15 am 15. davod:

“one of your own:”

Those spoilt brats you mention have already sacrificed. Depressed home values, ruined savings, and destroyed retirement plans.

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:26 am 16. Bilgeman:

#13 one of your own:
“Shame on all of you.”

This from a poster who gratuitously posts anti-Catholic song lyrics, but balks when invited to post some anti-Semitic and anti-Muslim comedic gems?

I should give two sh*ts what you think?

You can take your insipid reprimands and shove ‘em up your anti-Papist behind, chum.

You are NOT one of MY own…just so we’re clear on that.

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:31 am 17. one of your own:

15. David . . . I know, I’m one of those who have seen my assets shrink. But just because my garage burned down doesn’t mean I shouldn’t try to stop it from spreading to my house.

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:38 am 18. Steeple:

ooyo, I think that it is much deeper than what you portray. if i felt like there were people really doing without in large numbers in this country, i might be inclined to agree. but i don’t want to subsizdize the bad behavior and choices of others who bought more house or car than they could afford just become someone made the credit available to them. i would like to see people take better care of themselves, but instead of hunger we see obesity that leads to chronic illness such as diabetes. and taxpayers get to subsidize that behavior. i don’t want to see our people dependent on the government, because i don’t believe government creates the innovations that make our lives better over time. individuals with initiative to that, and we have to be careful before we either kill that initiative or drive those people away from us.

i’m not ashamed to push back here. otherwise, we risk saying that failure will always come with a safety net and that’s not what our country is about or can be about if we want to continue to exist.

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:45 am 19. Delia:

16. one of your own,

Your libtard mentality is showing. You [Libs] act like you’re the only one who knows what sacrifice is and HOW to go about it. One of your brilliant ideas was giving up a gas guzzling car IF Obama were to ASK and you think that makes you some kind of saint. Do you even take yourself seriously? If you think that’s such a great idea then why haven’t you DONE IT already regardless if whether your precious Zero asks you to? Hmm?

Ask your Limo Libs to give up their spendy, SHAMEFUL habits and MAKE AN EXAMPLE of THEMSELVES by giving up their CUSHY lifestyles and FAT paychecks and uber PADDED retirement benefits.

I grew up poor and my mom was [for the most part after 4 on and off failed marriages] a single mom and we often lived on beans and rice and gov’ment cheese. I KNOW what it’s like to be impoverished so don’t give me your effing song and dance about SACRIFICE. My husband and I have worked and toiled and GONE WITHOUT to get to where we are and we are by NO means wealthy.

Your Dear Leader wants to wipe out the middle class and destroy us in one fell swoop while talking out the other side of his @ss.

Open your EYES.

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:00 am 20. one of your own:

16.Bilgmean refers to my post in the Pelosi thread . . . nothing anti-Catholic about it. I asked him to point out what was offensive. he couldn’t do it. Now he’s mad . . . and irrelevant.

#18 Steeple (one of the few reasonable people on this board) writes . . “I don’t want to subsizdize the bad behavior and choices of others who bought more house or car than they could afford just become someone made the credit available to them.”

I don’t either, and neither does Obama, who says,”I also want to be very clear about what this plan will not do: It will not rescue the unscrupulous or irresponsible by throwing good taxpayer money after bad loans. It will not help speculators who took risky bets on a rising market and bought homes not to live in but to sell. It will not help dishonest lenders who acted irresponsibility, distorting the facts and dismissing the fine print at the expense of buyers who didn’t know better. And it will not reward folks who bought homes they knew from the beginning they would never be able to afford. In short, this plan will not save every home.”

Great!

#19 Delia writes that Libs should “give up their SHAMEFUL habits and MAKE AN EXAMPLE of THEMSELVES by giving up their CUSHY lifestyles and FAT paychecks and uber PADDED retirement benefits.”

Since when do libs have a monopoly on wealth and privilege? Democrats spend more money on the election for the first time in memory and now the Republicans want to act like they’re Tiny Tim Cratchet. Nonsense.

I grew up poor, too. The day I graduated high school my mom had $37 in the bank. Don’t tell me about doing without. And I have already cut back-on miles, on consumer debt, on food, on everything. There are a lot of things we should be doing here to fix this mess . . . self-pity isn’t one of them.

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:27 am 21. The Historian:

AS OBAMA FIDDLES, MARKET TANKS
JUNIOR VARSITY IS IN CHARGE
Obama & Congress either don’t care or don’t have a clue.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/02/markets-tank-on-obamas-watch.html

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:42 am 22. bill-tb:

So who is the minister of propaganda? And isn’t this whole outside group thing a little over the top for a ahem, President?

A constant stream of propaganda … It’s more what you get with Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and other tin-horn crackpot turd world dictators, not what you expect from a U.S. President.

I predict this blows up the the one’s face.

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:57 am 23. Ian Thorpe:

I have been telling you all Obama planned to rescue the economy and tackle unemployment by appointing three million community organisers.

But as well as being in permanet campaign mode just as Hitler’s propaganda machine under Josef Goebbels was, he will soon follow the british Government’s tactic and deploy those two weapons of mass distraction Phobos and Deimos, in English Fear and Panic, the two horses that pull the chariot of the ancient greek war god Ares. The wars our government is waging in Britain are against individualism, free speech and liberty.

What Obama represents is not socialism, it is something much more sinster.

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:58 am 24. Shannon:

Joe Biden: the moral compass of our country. The man who for the last ten years, on average, gave 1/10 of 1% of his income to charity. That is according to his IRS tax records released during the campaign. His average giving for the last 10 years was around $350 on an average income in the $350,000 range. I repeat ONE-TENTH of ONE PERCENT of his income to charity.

Now that’s a man who puts his money where his mouth is!

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:59 am 25. A.M. Mallett:

one of your own,
Your comments are sheer bile. We are not in the worse economic downturn in generations. The misery index of the Ford and Carter years was far worse than what we are seeing now. In fact we are seeing economic signs that there is a bottom to this current recession (yes, recession and not depression). We are not all being asked to sacrifice. Instead we are witnessing the biggest free handout package in our government’s history and the only people being required to sacrifice are those who actually pay their mortgages, work for a living and are successful in their lives. Wait! Thats most of us and that means most of us are having to pay for the putrid socialism benefiting the failed, drug infested housing project community activism of the Obamunist Nation.
Rather than being uncaring, we are paying for Johnny to go to the emergency room and have his leg set and we have been for a long time. What we do not want to pay for is his Aunt Judy to sit on her ass watching Johnny’s leg heal.
Since you don’t make much money, you will not be giving any dollars to pay for anything. Instead you will have your grubby hands in everybody else’s pockets to get your $13 a week, you along with every other miserable entitlement minded failure out there.
Rather than feeling shame, what paying America needs to do is stop eating your poisonous Democrat cake and lock and load, taking sight on this socialism in 2010.

Feb 22, 2009 - 12:02 pm 26. John Birch:

What Obama and the Obamunists are doing is not new but it IS very successful. It only needs the continuance of apathy and ignorance by the citizenry and the inability of the opposition to identify the real enemy and the guts to call them on it.

“And Not A Shot Is Fired!”
Transition To Socialism

To the average American, those words would not make much sense or have much meaning. They are, however, a very accurate description of just how our governmental system has been and is being changed before our eyes.

To quote from the Introduction to the U.S. version of the book:

“How does the technique work? It may, for instance, be applied to some easily discoverable public concern. To answer the need, a piece of “enabling legislation” is suggested, carrying no authority, expressed or implied. It sets up an “agency.” The agency, once established, follows normal agency behavior. The need becomes more precisely defined. A modicum of authority is requested. Pressures are organized, artificial and real, from “above” and from “below.” The requested authority is voted, and pressures wane. In due course, further authority is suggested, and new coalitions of pressure appear. All in good time an Authority is there, self-contained; a new instrument of power has arisen, sufficient unto itself. This instrument may be local, regional or nationwide. Its key word is Authority. In the beginning, this word is seldom employed.

“By such parliamentary means a democratic and representative government can be made authoritative, legally, and piece by piece. The form remains, an empty shell. Its philosophy and its content are gone. The person, the individual, who one year is free and independent, is next year just a little more restricted. Then a little more, and a little more. Suddenly, overnight, he no longer is a person. He is a cog, being moved inexorably by the monolithic machinery of the State.

“And not a shot is fired!”
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/pt1_shot.htm

Feb 22, 2009 - 12:15 pm 27. one of your own:

25. A.M. Mallett: . . . If you think what we have now compares to Carter/Ford, you’re not paying attention. This is a GLOBAL-ECONOMIC-CRISIS! Globalization hadn’t even taken root 35 years ago. This is an entirely different set of challenges. You would rather sink the whole ship just because some deck hand may be able to swipe an extra piece of cheese.

Get out of your victimhood. You’re not interested in our future or the growth opportunities of America. You don’t care about doing the hard work it takes to correct the mistakes that got us here. There’s only one thing you care about – that the other guy doesn’t get something you don’t. Now tell me, who’s socialist?

Grow a pair. Recognize and deal with the facts. In the inimitable words of Richard Harris in The Lion in Winter . . . “You whine just like a woman.”

Feb 22, 2009 - 12:31 pm 28. Melinda:

I agree with #7 who wants to have a national strike. The Boston Tea Party worked because it deprived the British government of tax revenue. Our founding fathers knew the way to be successful was to give up their favorite drink – tea because the tax on tea was too high. A one day national strike with no spending and a work stoppage would deprive the liberals of their precious tax dollars to spend on their socialist programs.

Feb 22, 2009 - 12:35 pm 29. DavidN:

Once, years ago when I was between jobs, I temped in various offices in downtown Los Angeles. One of the assignments I had was rather unique, because I literally walked away from the job when I heard what they wanted me to do. I was told (by the temp agency, that’s how it works) that I was to do office work, filing and so forth, for one day. That sounded suspicious, but I needed the work so I showed up. Sure enough, the minute I walked in the door, the woman running things announced that they had changed their minds, and wanted me to do something else instead. She led me into what’s called a boiler room, with cubicles armed with phones (complete with headsets), computers, and desks and chairs. She then handed me what’s called a script, and left me to read it over.

The script I was supposed to read was a fund raising thing for a referendum that was currently on the California state ballot. The referendum protected the rights of people who were in car accidents from being sued by the people who had hit them. We’d had a rash of illegal immigrants who caused car accidents, and then fell afoul of unscrupulous lawyers (or had them on speed dial in the first place). The lawyer would call you or your lawyer and basically say: “Look, it’s a car accident, who’s to say who’s at fault? My guy’s suing yours. You can’t sue my guy because he’s not here legally and has no assets, on paper anyway, but we *can* sue you. Wanna settle out of court? $25,000 makes us go away.” The referendum was written to prevent this, and the script I was supposed to read was directed to raise funds to oppose it.

The interesting thing, though, was what was in the script. I was supposed to call law offices, and tell the person that I talked to there that I was in another law office, which was named. Since I wasn’t in a law office, this was troubling to me. The whole point was that lawyers would collectively oppose this attempt to separate them from some of their hard-earned cash.

I’ve never worked in a boiler room. I never want to start. I’ve got friend who’ve done it in the past, and frankly I have better things to do with my time. Oh, and the point to this entry? The organization that wanted me to lie like this, which wanted to raise money to fight this ballot initiative? The Service Employees International Union. Wonderful people, those community organizers.

Oh, and in case I didn’t make it clear, I walked out and didn’t look back. It was a bit surreal, the woman who originally introduced me around, and handed me the script, chased me down the street for a bit, trying to get me to come back. And no, the temp agency didn’t (as far as I know) penalize me for my actions. I complained immediately to them, explained what happened, and was working again I think later that week, or the next.

Feb 22, 2009 - 12:53 pm 30. David:

“one of your own” sets the usual liberal word traps and waits for sensible readers to respond. Doing so is a waste of time, which is no doubt the central point of “one of your own’s” responses.

Do not take the bait. Logic is wasted on the indoctrinated ideologues of the left. Facts are irrelevant. The discussion either deteriorates into name calling or repeatedly comes around to the same point (the circular argument). Save your words for an actual discussion.

Feb 22, 2009 - 1:55 pm 31. fred:

The more you look at the big picture, who financed it all, worked the MSM for years to impart a narrative and memes, and worked up international pressure to change the balance of power in the U.S., the more I get the impression that Obama is a prop that is part of a stage set by oligarchs like Soros and Strong. These men have enormous power and have toppled governments and economies.

When you objectively look hard at socialist, Communist, and Islamist societies, what you see are oligarchies. Most everyone are equal comrades sharing the misery and poverty, with the party leaders living luxuriously with unlimited power.

American Leftists are dopes who are being stage managed from addresses in Moscow, Bejing, Tehran, and the U.N.

Feb 22, 2009 - 1:59 pm 32. Rose Colored Glasses:

ACORN got their money from Bank of America, and they are currently breaking into homes and putting people in them.

Obeyme is keeping his promise to bring them into his Office in the first 100 days.

This is just more of the same and a much larger scale. It’s amazing that none of these people are hurting from the economy. Wonder where they keep their money?

Feb 22, 2009 - 2:03 pm 33. Rose Colored Glasses:

One of your own,
You said it. Democrats give more money to campaigns….the rest of that is Republicans give more money to charity. We put our money where our mouth is. Dems just want total control to spend other peoples money and keep their own.

Feb 22, 2009 - 2:10 pm 34. one of your own:

#30 David . . . And the towel flies from the cornerman! Maybe the Raging Repulicks will come back to fight another day, but it won’t be this day. This OOYO is just too much for today’s rankings.

Feb 22, 2009 - 2:13 pm 35. one of your own:

Everybody, here is the best part . . . and this is classic right wing strategy . . . say everything once and then claim you saw it all along when it comes to pass.

Here’s what’s coming. When the economy begins to improve in a few months, you will all be told to say, “Recessions always turn around about this time. Obama is just taking credit for something that would have happened anyway.”

Remember this post. Remember who told you what you’ll be telling each other come Thanksgiving.

Feb 22, 2009 - 2:17 pm 36. one of your own:

Finally, a quote from one of the “losers, deadbeats, welfare queens, leeches, freeloaders” and too many other descriptions I’ve read here over the last week or so . . .

“I am scared for the first time in my 57 years. I raised three children, lost a child, and to get to this point in my life and think about being homeless after making sure my children had a home, paid my taxes, and worked with the understanding that everything would be alright. I’m scared but I am hopeful and prayerful.”

Sorry, you lazy good for nothing waste of space. This is a country where we pull ourselves up by our bootstraps. Don’t come whining to us just because you were too stoopid to plan ahead. I’m too busy making up shit about ACORN and trains to Vegas to worry about you and your “pwecious widdle house.” You’re lucky I don’t lock and load and go all medieval on you. Now step aside. I have to go make a charitable contribution to the NRA.

And if that was your mom and you were too poor or too sick to help her, what would you do?

You’re right Delia, I don’t expect to change anybody’s mind on this board. I’m trying to find their heart. I’ll keep looking.

Feb 22, 2009 - 2:35 pm 37. Delia:

36. one of your own,

Keep reaching, hon. Where did that quote even originate from?

Listen up. A 57 year old woman living in a home of her own means she’s probably lived in more than ONE home in her lifetime [like my husband and I]. ZERO is only ‘giving’ to the idiots who bought their FIRST home and couldn’t afford to own the damned thing in the first place.

So sweet gran-gran is SOL just like most of us who moved UP from our first homes and paid our bills on time.

Tell your tax dodging Democ*nts to grow a set and PAY up…if all of the Dem tax dodgers actually paid their dues maybe they could steer our economy back on track. Hmm?

Meanwhile. Keep talking into your own personal echo chamber. Maybe even YOU will get sick of your own tripe.

Feb 22, 2009 - 3:10 pm 38. Ellen:

Why waste your time going back and forth with another mouthpiece from the Left? Lasky’s point is that they are ORGANIZED in a way that Republicans are not. We cannot wait out four years of Obama and hope for the best. Look what he has accomplished in one month!? And with the amount of money he has just funneled to party activists through the stimulus, he will win his second term. We will not be able to reverse much of what he enacts so we must prevent it. The streak of independence that Conservatives enjoy and the distaste for communal solutions make us less inclined to organize, but organize we must.

Feb 22, 2009 - 3:13 pm 39. Delia:

38. Ellen,

It wasn’t just “organization” by Barry the Community Crook that helped prop up Zero’s campaign of terror…it was the undocumented “big, big, BIG MOULA” contributions too. How do you compete with THAT?

This whole admin is a pack of lies. The “transparency” crap being the most audacious lie of all.

Feb 22, 2009 - 3:43 pm 40. one of your own:

#37 Delia . . . I’m glad you remembered that McCain word I was searching for. Thanks. Where would discourse be without the likes of you? It never ceases to amaze me how far you conservatives will go to rationalize your indifference to others. Meanwhile, remember what I said . . . about the recession “turning around anyway.” Remember that.

Now, I’m off to an Oscar party, full of rich liberals with good-looking wives and Lexi in the driveway and boats in the garage and smart kids with athletic scholarships and good steaks and better whiskey and generous souls and big laughs and good times. You can stick around here. Say hi to Moongoose for me. He should have earned visitation rights by now.

Feb 22, 2009 - 3:44 pm 41. AJ Lynch:

Regarding George Soros – I bet with a little research we conservatives could create a game called “Six Degrees of George Soros” to show Soros’s money is behind half of these “non-partian” groups.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:06 pm 42. ked5:

@24
well, survey after survey has shown just how very “generous” libs/dems are, especially when looked at percentage of income given to charity. They are very good at preaching about charity and service. seem to have a harder time actually putting their money where their mouth is. and an even HARDER time getting their hands dirty giving service. Zero’s charitable offerings weren’t much more generous than Bidens.

There is a huge difference between writing a check, and actually DOING something.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:08 pm 43. ked5:

@31
there are links out there for obambi to the Saudi’s – and some pretty good circumstancial evidence they paid for his Harvard time, and his Pakistan trip in the early ’80’s.

It was a PR type guy for the Saudi’s who spoke about the connection, and was promptly hidden behind closed doors when sharper people started asking questions.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:14 pm 44. ked5:

@31
add Riyahd to your list of cities Zero is taking orders from.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:17 pm 45. NC:

The factual basis for this post is faulty. It wasn’t a reception for progressives, it was a reception for groups that supported the stimulus bill. According to this Firedoglake poster, Tom Donohue of the Chamber and Harry Alford of the National Black Chamber of Commerce, John Castellani of the Business Roundtable. They supported the stimulus because their members did. They’re hardly Obama’s cavalry.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:24 pm 46. Delia:

40. one of your own,

Yaknow? Just when I think I’ve had just about enough of your drivel you manage to endear me to you.

Listen kiddo, at the end of the day we are all homo sapiens. We poo, we pee, we drink, we burp [if the meal was good], we fart [if the meal was full of garlic, onions or anything from the bean family] we eat to sustain our lives and our wants are usually simple…shelter and food and security. A day in the sun would be nice. A vacation now and again would be cherry. If I’m sounding crude it’s because we ARE crude…we are bears with furniture really. So, let’s dream within our means and reach for the stars without dashing our hopes on too harsh of a reality.

America is nothing without the hard working middle class and you betchyerbippy that we need to pull ourselves up by our boot-straps because this is the greatest country in the world BAR NONE and us lucky suckers who happened to win the lotto and be born here want to keep it that way!

I’m sending you a cyber [[[hug]]] no matter how repellant you find it.

Time to pull your head out of the Lib-Quicksand and come to know that Repubs/Conservatives have HUGE hearts and a LOT of compassion and empathy. Are Repubs perfect? Eww. Heck no! -And, I’d like to reform the whole damned repub party from the roots upwards. I’m tried of the Elites who have never worked or toiled a hard days work in their lives EVER. It would be nice to see someone who has run a SUCCESSFUL business and knows how to handle money.

Eh. Dreamin’. I know. I know.

Enjoy the Oscars, hon.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:25 pm 47. NC:

Missing phrase — “were also there” – the three business association reps were also there.

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:25 pm 48. swift boater:

hey one of your own,

I bet you’re heading off to a rich, glamorous Oscar party. Sure you are. Those types don’t let their useful idiots in.

More likely your punching out, going off the clock; monitoring the internet is full time work so they hire lackeys like you to do the grunt work.

What you getting, $8 an hour?

Feb 22, 2009 - 4:27 pm 49. Mason:

one of your own: Great stuff. I used to do this too under an assumed name much as you are. Eventually I got tired of it and actually began to question whether I was actually doing more than rhetorical harm with my baiting and snark. I concluded that I was. So are you. The issues our country is facing are quit serious. Adolescent twaddle (remember, I know whereof I speak)does you a disservice and ultimately will cause you personal embarrassment, if you are a person of quality behind the current veneer. You other folks, isolate this guy, keep your language temperate, and keep your eye on the ball. We are in deep, deep trouble at a fundamental level.

Just my two cents.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:14 pm 50. buddy larsen:

Oh, man, i wish i wuz going to uh big oscar party with purty Lexi and wives in the driveway in a boat with a steak and big laughs. durn maybe i orta be a parasite too, whur do i sine up?

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:25 pm 51. Clomerdug:

One of your own, don’t forget your knee pads when you go to the big Oscar bash. You’ll need them.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:32 pm 52. jeanneb:

Surely you don’t really believe ACORN was left out in the cold in the Stimulus funding?! Check out the billions that went to HUD for “housing counseling and assistance”. Tens—if not hundreds—of millions of dollars will find their way to some root of the ACORN tree. I just wonder if we’ll ever find out how much.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:33 pm 53. MarkJ:

one of your own,

“Remember this post. Remember who told you what you’ll be telling each other come Thanksgiving.”

Sure, we’ll remember your post. And we’ll be telling each other the same thing on Thanksgiving. Namely, that you’re still an insufferable, Obama-worshipping, reality-denying fool.

I have a sawbuck that says you’ll be standing in an unemployment line by this time next year. Want to bet that I’m wrong?

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:37 pm 54. Mike K:

The spoiled brats aren’t the people who may get a chance at recovering from financial ruin. The spoiled brats are the people too greedy or infantile to help them. How would you feel about a government program that gives everybody a free Glock?

No, the spoiled brats are the people who bought houses they couldn’t afford and now expect to be bailed out by taxpayers who didn’t act irresponsibly.

Take a look at the rate of secondary default on those mortgages that were bailed out. It’s about 60% at 8 months. Good money after bad, just like the UAW that expects everyone else to pay for their benefits.

Now, I’m off to an Oscar party. No surprise there.

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:57 pm 55. C. Smith:

[connery]
If they bring an ACORN, you bring an oak.
[/connery]

Feb 22, 2009 - 5:58 pm 56. Captain Ramen:

38: Because it’s fun! Otherwise we’d be doing what, watching the Oscars? No thank you.

And it will not reward folks who bought homes they knew from the beginning they would never be able to afford. In short, this plan will not save every home.

Housing Plan Example Sheet

A) and B) seem pretty reasonable to me. I have a hard time seeing how they would be unreasonable to a bank. The bank would gladly offer them refinancing ANYWAY because a foreclosed upon house is a big fat liability to a bank disguised as an asset. A and B don’t really require any government intervention, other than them telling the FMs to change their rules

What about C? Isn’t C the text book definition of an irresponsible person? Who in their right mind would put 4% down on an adjustable rate mortgage? Hell, you can get a 30 year fixed rate loan from FHA, provided you have sufficient income.

We conservatives are not indifferent to others. We simply want people to learn from their mistakes. Insulating people from the consequences of their dumb life choices you are does them a disservice. Treating an adult like a 5 year old child who doesn’t know any better doesn’t help them. Turning my grandchildren into indentured servants of the Communist Chinese isn’t compassion.

Feb 22, 2009 - 6:30 pm 57. John Skookum:

#40 OOYO: “Now, I’m off to an Oscar party, full of rich liberals with good-looking wives and Lexi in the driveway and boats in the garage and smart kids with athletic scholarships and good steaks and better whiskey and generous souls and big laughs and good times. You can stick around here. Say hi to Moongoose for me. He should have earned visitation rights by now.”

Oh, I’m sure the ACORN types have plans to deal with your smart, good-hearted boat and Lexus owners too, all in good time. The lucky ones may find a seat on the new Philosophy Steamer.

Feb 22, 2009 - 6:42 pm 58. JB71:

Is it possible for the ‘progressives’ to lead the country in a direction it’s not willing to go? Can Obama force the country to do what he wants, or will the pushback destroy him? Will an attempt to guilt-trip the nation work? And let’s face it – guilt is about the only thing the progressives are selling these days. Aren’t you feeling guilty about global warming? About your electricity usage? About your maltreatment of Mother Gaia’s fur seals?

I’m thinking not, for most folks. You can only get so far with guilt, before the people look at the issue and go – “Um, no.” And this ‘Stimulus’ bill has used up most of the goodwill and credibility that Obama started off with, with the mortgage bailout taking a lot more.

Feb 22, 2009 - 6:56 pm 59. zanne:

Enjoy yourself one of your own. It will be the last blast seen in Hollyweird for a long, long time.

Feb 22, 2009 - 6:58 pm 60. Mister Snitch!:

“I don’t expect to change anybody’s mind on this board. I’m trying to find their heart.”

Jesus, what a clown.

Feb 22, 2009 - 6:59 pm 61. blogengeezer:

‘One of your own’ quote; “What If the government gave everyone a free Glock”…. Answer: It would only be a matter of time before the top ten percent of society had 90 percent of the Glocks in their posession. That is the law of nature and no amount of ‘feel good forced fairness’ is ever going to change it, sorry, ..’one of your own’.., but that is reality. This ’stimulous’ will end up the exact same way in a very short time. To those that do not pay attention, Lessons of History are not learned and have to be repeated continually it seems. The ‘Stutter effect’.. Da Flikkers

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:04 pm 62. Cindy Sue Causey:

Hm, am recognizing a few of those names from my inbox.. )

MoveOn.org got the boot MONTHS ago.. They went from being just a different way of getting involved in commendable, popular topics to pushing one agenda and one agenda only..

Can’t quite remember the details now, but it seems like I unsigned from one list that was shoving certain things down my cyber throat so they moved it to another of theirs I was still receiving.. At that point, they received…..

My opinion back..

Happened on a few lists, and could tell it wasn’t just me.. Those whose systems automatically asked for why we were unsubscribing asked specifically if it was because of yadda, yadda, yadda..

If you have to ask, you already are quite aware of the answer..

Cyber hugs from North Georgia..

PS.. Just this second dawned on me.. I do suppose toggling “yes” to yadda, yadda, yadda back then put some of us on a list we weren’t yet personal experience-enlightened to guess or assume existed.. Oy, goodness, Live and Learn..

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:14 pm 63. Valens:

About the majority… Doesn’t really matter. I am pretty sure that the majority of people just want to live their lives out, raise their children, and have a reasonable chance at achieving happiness for themselves and that the same may still hold for their children, and so on. The nazi’s were a minority of the people, and so were the bolsheviks, and the khmer rouge, and the cpc, and… Change of this order does not require a majority at all, it just requires establishing control at key nodes. The rest, as they say, is history. Oh yes – they do need a hard core of true believers… The kind that will righteuosly and merrily load families onto the trains.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:31 pm 64. Seerak:

i don’t make much money,but I’m willing to give up a few bucks to help people in trouble and to get this economy moving again. And I don’t expect Obama to fix everything in 30 days.

I would like to make that choice for myself.

Shame on you for evading that issue, altruist.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:34 pm 65. Peter0000:

Time to pick sides America. This American demands representation for how his hard earned tax dollars are spent. The time for Conservative Activism is now.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:35 pm 66. venividivici:

one of your own,

You can’t see it, but I’m playing the world’s smallest violin for your sob story.

I don’t know you, don’t care to know you, don’t care to know the people you know, don’t care to know the people you’ve heard about. Go about your business and I’ll go about mine. No need for us to be any closer than that. Your right to sympathy ends at my wallet.

Get someone else to be your “Boxer” (Animal Farm reference, in case you don’t get it). I’m not interested in trying to fill the gaping maw of need that is the Dem base with my labors.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:39 pm 67. Blue Collar Todd:

America, we had a good run while it lasted. We held this great Democracy since 1776, and barely into a month into the Obama Administration it is almost destroyed. I suggest we prepare for the coming politically correct rainbow Gestapo. How soon before someone in an ACORN shirt comes to your door to make sure you are “behaving”? Liberals are like the Borg, totalitarian. May God help us.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:42 pm 68. Seerak:

One of your own,
You said it. Democrats give more money to campaigns….the rest of that is Republicans give more money to charity.

#13 plays the altruist card and mocks you for complaining about the burden, and your response is to crow about giving to charity? That’s like trying to pre-empt theft by giving it away to someone else first.

Yeah, that’ll show ‘em.

You don’t stop a thief by conceding his right to the goods “but you gave it all away”. You fight him by asserting your selfish right to your property.

Until the day you can look the altruists in the face and assert your right to choose over their calls for “sacrifice”, the fight is already over.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:44 pm 69. Max:

Dunno, but it’s hard to see how this could be positive for Obama. It reinforces the view that he can’t make the switch from campaigning mode to governing mode.

Rousing his rabble is a sign of weakness. He could find himself on the wrong end of Alinsky’s rules.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:45 pm 70. rileyb:

One of your own is a troll. Please don’t feed the trolls by responding.
Obama cannot BE the President. He has never been anything. All he has ever done is run for something and
if and when he gets it, he starts running for the next thing. This time, he has run himself into a mess because he does not have the foggiest idea of how to be president. All he can think about is to throw great
amounts of money (that Pelosi and Reid have been wanting to throw around for the longest time) at His
voters to make certain that he gets his second 4 years. That should be interesting if he does get a second term, because, what will he run for then?
This man is the biggest farce this country has ever experienced. There was a poll of journalists somewhere
around the end of Clinton or beginning of GW that said they were the only ones in this country with the
intelligence to pick the president. They did and we got BO!!!!!!

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:47 pm 71. ALEXISTAN:

Enough now, one of your own. Off to your tasteful cars and airless, heathen party alive with mean-spirited, cutting comments, well-rehearsed and oft-repeated to your nodding smug comrades. You and the pleiade of “generous souls” around you will cure our indifference, all right.

Feb 22, 2009 - 7:52 pm 72. Revoltocon:

So far, he’s castrated the CIA, limited what our military can do and played God in many ways, including restarting the stem cell research programs. This is only three things among many.
If you criticize Obama, the Demolemmings will say. “He’s only been in office for a month – GIVE OUR SAVIOR A CHANCE!” Can you imagine that these pathetic, ignorant cool-aid drinkers are the very same ones that whined about Bush from day one for the last eight years? Also, can you possibly imagine a person screwing up our country as bad as this man has in only a month’s time?
Get sweet revenge for the Ignocrats who rode around with the “Don’t Blame Me” bumper stickers for the last eight years!

Feb 22, 2009 - 8:06 pm 73. Dave:

#40 must be hanging at the White House tonight. Be sure to laugh at all those Alabama jokes and knee slapper jokes beltway lawyers tell about the rubes they pilfered and small businesses they crushed.

Feb 22, 2009 - 8:18 pm 74. Bilgeman:

#40 NOT one of your own:
“Now, I’m off to an Oscar party,”

As a men’s room attendant?

“full of rich liberals with good-looking wives and Lexi in the driveway”

You’re a parking valet?

“and boats in the garage”

That gang keep THEIR boats in “marinas” or “boathouses”.

“and smart kids with athletic scholarships and good steaks and better whiskey and generous souls and big laughs and good times.”

Ahhh, you’re a rent-a-chef!

Feb 22, 2009 - 8:32 pm 75. Moogie:

One of your own: Here’s the rub: I know for every dollar the government takes from me (without my consent, which in any other circumstance would be called “robbery”), only one penny of it actually takes care of someone in need.

I think you misunderstand what most people on here are saying. We have hearts, and we do care. But: our government is incompetent, at best, at managing our money. If I were able to keep everything I earned, rather than having it taken by force, I would be able to contribute a great deal to some very succesful causes. As Milton Friedman said, you can’t judge a program by its intentions – you must judge it by its accomplishments.

One last thing: yes, our economy will turn around. Nearly every seasoned economist is saying this. It will turn around even if the government doesn’t intervene. My question is this: why do people still believe our government even has any business intervening? The ultimate goal of Obama’s new program is not to rescue our economy – it’s to grow up a whole new generation of state-dependent citizens. His words are meaningless – his actions are poison.

Feb 22, 2009 - 8:41 pm 76. Mitch Haase:

Sounds like Obama’s own version of brownshirts.

Also, just for the record, I am not gay in any way shape or form.

Thanks you.

Mitch

Feb 22, 2009 - 8:56 pm 77. Delia:

Dealing with trolls is an art-form.

Let me suggest doing this when a troll comes along [but this takes at least two or three others takers on OUR side].

Troll: “something annoying and retarded as hell”

Responder 1: Yep. Thank you, Troll.
Responder 2: Troll, good one.
Responder 3: Hey, Troll, your comments make sense to me. Once I get out of these restraints and past the security guards I’m going to look you up.

Feb 22, 2009 - 9:31 pm 78. buddy larsen:

Nobody in their right mind would kill the F-22, but O just did. With the globe heating up as it is, the near future guaranteeing scarce resources to be either divvied up by market allocation or by conquest, and these democrats, knowing full well what the Russian & Chinese militaries are building, are gonna take this program, with all its R&D costs fully sunk and now nothing left but to make a couple hundred copies for the price of some of the spare change that gets programmatically grifted out of their social programs, mean to retire the power behind free & open markets from the table ? Having already put us at a huge disadvantage with their absolutely lethally idiotic green ignoramus bullshit? Who the f**k are they WORKING for ?

Feb 22, 2009 - 10:27 pm 79. SukieTawdry:

I understand the response to the call to mobilize on behalf of the non-stimulus bill was tepid at best. I don’t think “the cavalry” is even close to full strength anymore.

Feb 22, 2009 - 11:50 pm 80. concerned:

one of your own:

You’d be less of a hypocrite if you didn’t spew about conservative ‘indifference’. Leftist ‘indifference’ resulted in 100,000,000 excess deaths during the 20th Century. And Leftist indifference is greater than conservative indifference in the US today as proven by charitable donation levels. Too bad for your side, but there it is.

Unless you are a totally shameless apologist for ‘the One’, you would be upset by the total disconnect between his ‘hope and change’ campaign rhetoric and his post election ‘doom and gloom’ propaganda. Obviously, this logorrheic schizophrenia proves that 0bama either has no clue what is going on OR he is attempting to play us.

The culture of corruption in the 0bama WH is already the worst of any administration since before the Great Depression, if not in American History with several of his cabinet appointees being turned down due to ethical and corruption problems, not counting the ones who were approved, such as Timothy Geithner and Eric Holder.

If the economy manages to improve before the end of the year, it will only be because 0bama hasn’t managed to wreck it (probably because the public will rise up against his policies). It is unlikely that history will accord his policies any credit for that.

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:03 am 81. SukieTawdry:

Perhaps one of his fancy Oscar party friends will inform oneofyourown that Richard Harris wasn’t in “The Lion in Winter” (either version).

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:06 am 82. buddy larsen:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/business/stories/2009/02/22/lockheed_marietta_raptor.html

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:18 am 83. concerned:

Another thing. The 0bama Administration desperately needs to be advised by disinterested (look up the definition of ‘disinterested’ before responding, please) world class economists. The fact that the completely inexperienced 0bama is refusing such advise is deeply disturbing.

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:34 am 84. Timbo:

I think Ron (#12) is on to it. You cannot change the Political Correctness (PC) mindset that’s infected the West since the 60’s. Sure the 70’s caused real pain. This resulted in enough of it being felt by the uninterested masses to vote in the likes of Thatcher and Reagan – radical surgery was the result. Unfortunately, the resulting prosperity gave us the God awful “Third Way” and “Compassionate Conservatism” along with a PC culture of legislation on steroids. The forthcoming economic calamity will be devastating – it’s not even started yet.

How long before folks see the light is anyones guess. The UK’s decline took from the 50’s through until 1979 and the election of Thatcher. Unfortunately it was never finished and the PC cancer started after Thatcher was finaly removed by the Conservative “wets” (lower case intentional). Britain is now a basket case and may not actually come back. Hate to be a pesimist but hold onto your guns and bury some ‘useful items’ somewhere safe….. Good luck to us all.

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:34 am 85. one of your own:

All, et al,

Back from the party. Had a great time. Nobody whining about them vs us. Just good friends who have worked hard to achieve substantial things. Sound familiar? Didn’t think so. Keep whining about class warfare and the inequity of it all. I suggest you spend less time adding emoticons and more time working to improve this country.

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:35 am 86. concerned:

Another thing. The 0bama Administration desperately needs to be advised by disinterested (look up the definition of ‘disinterested’ before responding, please) world class economists. The fact that the completely inexperienced 0bama is refusing such advice is deeply disturbing.

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:36 am 87. sookie:

“There are solutions for all of this. Option (1) The slow method. Conservatives could just take a step back and let those who want abortions get abortions and those men who want to marry men, marry men and those women who want marry women, marry women. This would confuses them because they would think they’ve won but in reality, the out come of this would be in two generations there wouldn’t be any Democrats.”

This is such a failed argument. Yet it keeps popping up. Why? Since when have kids followed their parents politics? You don’t breed conservatives any more than you breed progressives. It’s not genetic, and even if it is, I’d say it leans toward progressivism rather than conservativism. If it was a sure thing that conservatives always raised conservatives, we’d not have any liberals. As a nation, we came from primarily conservative positions and are moving primarily toward liberal positions. Over time.

Yes the ideology swings both ways, but it nearly always swings farther to the left than it does back to the right, sort of like the stock market nearly always goes up over time. Yes it takes dives, sometimes sharp, but over time it nearly always goes up and over time we will move more left than right over time.

Sadly that is what will diminish this nation in the end and we should fight that shift but I’m not sure anything can stop it. We need to fight it smartly by walking the walk and choosing the correct battles to fight. Not lining our pockets and spending time, money and power on ineffective and indefensible positions.

Feb 23, 2009 - 4:53 am 88. A person:

The “Boston Tea Party” was the beginning of our Revolution. Is this what we really want? Are we willing to send the same message, and back it up at a new “Lexington and Concorde” the way our Founders did? Are we ready to start shooting some of our fellow citizens in a civil war?

Unless you are willing to ultimately shed blood if pushed to it, or fight a real civil war if necessary, if it comes to that, then these demonstrations won’t ultimately mean much.

The problem is that liberals, Marxists, and Democrats refuse to leave the rest of us alone. They insist on everybody doing things their way, and only their way. Most of us on the right simply want to be left alone; neither overtaxed or over-regulated. Demonstrations won’t make a dent in the left’s mind set. Saying “no” won’t make a difference to them, even if enforced by the 2010 elections. They’ll simply call our bluff, retrench if necessary, and carry on as before. You should all read the writings of Saul Alinsky some time.

Some Russina academic recently prophiszed that within a decade America will break appart from political turmoil. He may have something. Worldnetdaily.net editor Joe Farah pointed out after the election that the differences between the left(Democrats) and conservatives(including Republicans and Libertarians) are so far apart now that Americans should consider dividing the country and allowing each political outlook/ideology to separate so that we can all live in peace. When nearly half of the voters viscerally oppose the “winner’s” plan to “spread the wealth” and move us to where we don’t want to go, ignoring our protests, using pressure tactics to achieve what consensus can’t, what can come of it other than an eventual civil war, if the other half doesn’t back off and leave us something?

Further, the left intends to absolutely and positively silence conservative talk radio one way or another. What they don’t realize is that would almost insure an eventual civil war. Take away our right to speak, and have others speak messages familiar to our ears over the radio, and what do we have left? The left should be careful of what they ask for, because they may get it. And much more in unintended consequences besides.

History will know whether or not we “crossed the Rubicon” with these “Tea Parties” and put the nation on the path towards civil war between two competing ideologies, or whether they caused the political environment to change in deference to our objections, and changed the track we are being dragged down against our wills.

Feb 23, 2009 - 6:26 am 89. cfbleachers:

It must be terribly scary to have a mom who only has $37 in the bank. It might even lead someone to turn to the government and say “You need to provide for me”.

If the government doesn’t give that poor scared kid a blackberry, a Lexus, good wine, …it is not providing “fair distribution” and those rotten people who have those things are the enemy. Well, I mean IF…they don’t obtain their absolution by sticking to the “message”, that is.

A conservative would say, let me give you a job, and perhaps a second job, so you can help your mom and your entire family pull yourselves out of a hardscrabble life.

A moderate would say, you have choices…let’s go through them. Education, studying hard, while possibly working at the same time will help to create a pathway to living a more comfortable life.

A liberal would say, you have pain, let’s try to alleviate it. Grants, scholarships, all manner of programs in which you can borrow at low interest from the state and pay it back when you get financially healthy. You can participate by borrowing from the government.

A leftist would say, let’s protest and organize. Let’s slander the country and especially build a race and class warfare in which you are permanent soldier. Let’s cast aspersions at anyone who doesn’t agree, let’s demonize those who don’t regurgitate our message. Let’s steal the information stream and distort it. Let’s make “them” pay for us, so we don’t have to do anything except take, take, take. The rules don’t apply to us, we can break them. The laws don’t apply to us, we can ignore them. Dependency is just one more shot of that drug…are you too uncool to try it again? C’mon little boy, become a man. Full blown dependency is a real high. Fact is fiction, truth is a lie, …the “man” has kept you down and gaming the system is “payback”. “They” deserve it.

C’mon little man, take another mainline of dependency, take another hit of class warfare. If you don’t, we will spread the word on the street about you. Your friends will turn away from you and won’t invite you to their parties…and that, more than anything…would ruin your life. Stop trying to think for yourself, nobody will like you on our side if you do…you will have become one of “them”.

Feb 23, 2009 - 6:38 am 90. Anonymous:

#85 NOT ooyo:

“Back from the party. Had a great time.”

Made some tip money, huh?

Feb 23, 2009 - 8:28 am 91. Bilgeman:

#80 NOT ooyo:

“Back from the party. Had a great time.”

Made some tip money, huh?

Hope you declare it on next year’s obamataxes.

Feb 23, 2009 - 8:29 am 92. ZZMike:

Why does the word “progressive” show up so many times in that Greg Sargent report?

And why are there not outbursts of indignation from the GOP?

“Progressive” is not the “Change” we want.

Feb 23, 2009 - 10:05 am 93. ruaqtpi2:

one of your own:

Everyone besides the ruling elite have sacrificed, some of us more than others. I am willing to sacrifice for the down-on-their-luck types who are actively trying to improve their lot, but I am NOT happy at all to sacrifice for the ones who have opted to take the easy way out. Sure, Obama says the program won’t aid the irresponsible, but who is going to decide who is responsible? All of the incentives in his bill are participation based, so the more recipients the better.

If you were doling out your money willingly, wouldn’t you take measures to try to restrict handouts to the people who really need them AND would be likely to be back on their feet after the program’s five-year limit? Any other monies distributed are being wasted, but the gov’t doesn’t care because it’s not their money!

It would be far better for ALL of the bailouts to be loans, repayable in 10 years or upon sale/transfer of the residence (whichever comes first).

Let’s face it, most responsible people do not walk away from their obligations. They try to make good on their debts. Responsible people read contracts before they sign them, and don’t believe every boiler-room telemarketer to use the equity in their insanely inflated home “value” to take the trip of a lifetime, pay for a grandiose pompous wedding reception seating 1000 of their closest friends, or anything else that is as frivolous and, frankly, irresponsible.

Responsible people unable to meet their debt burden make use of bankruptcy, foreclosure, and/or debt consolidation programs. The irresponsible people with no backbone are the ones who cry “boo-hoo, the system is against me, so I need my government to take care of me.”

People who want free health care are welcomed (and encouraged) to move to Canada, Australia, or other countries with more social program spending. I, however, do not wish to be a ward of the state.

Wake up, grow a pair of your own, and realize that government, lazy-ass public-assistant leeches, and other crooks are robbing you blind.

I hope you sleep well at night in your kool-aid induced coma/stupor; I actually care for this country and worry about the prospects for my children, their children, and so on.

Feb 23, 2009 - 10:07 am 94. one of your own:

#89 CFbleachers . . . writes, A conservative would say, let me give you a job, and perhaps a second job, so you can help your mom and your entire family pull yourselves out of a hardscrabble life.

You stopped before you finished that, CF. It really goes like this: A conservative would say, let me give you a job, and perhaps a second job, so you can help your mom and your entire family pull yourselves out of a hardscrabble life. Now of course, I won’t pay you what your time is worth. In fact, I’m not gonna pay you minimum wage because I think that is an unfair burden on me as an employer. And I’m not gonna pay any of your health care. You see, there are a lot of people out there who need a job, who need THIS job. If johnny down the street is willing to do it for a dollar an hour less than you, guess what, Johnny gets the job. That’s how we keep the wage levels depressed in this economy. It has nothing to do with your value, it’s all about my profit. So what’s it gonna be your mom or your dignity?

You people are worse than dope dealers. Ask Delia, she’s the one raised on government cheese.

Feb 23, 2009 - 10:12 am 95. ruaqtpi2:

ooyo,

Of course you had a good time at the party. Obama has the key to milk and honey, and He can make it flow from a stone at the sound of His voice.

The basic facts are that this world’s resources are not unlimited, so they must be apportioned according to some scheme. They can be obtained through purchase, charity, or theft.

I will be the first to agree that the U.S. was founded principally by rich “white” Europeans, who discriminated against all others. Women, blacks, the under-educated, and all “others” have historically had to fight for their equalityand the fight is not over. However, these “others” have no right to steal from the privileged class, no matter how disproportionate the distribution of wealth.

The underprivileged do have a legitimate claim to our compassion and charity, and indeed most of us who have succeeded despite our own obstacles are generally quite generous when not “forced” to be so. I have worked much harder than most politicians, under very difficult circumstances, to provide from my family. I responsibly live within my means, pay my bills on time, and do not abuse credit. I drive a ten year-old car with 120,000 miles on it, and I don’t have a big screen TV, nor do I have an Iphone or a Blackberry or many other things that some people consider necessities. However, I’m not going to force my neighbor to pay my mortgage, buy me food, or watch my kids.

I know that my “reality” is different from that in the ghetto or Appalachia, but I realize in a free world that freedom is more than a right: it is an obligation I have to myself first to do everything within my power to change my own future. I have heard many, many previously disadvantaged people talk about their successes, and about the hard work they had to do to fulfill their own destinies. Many have had help from government and from charities, and they were thankful for the help they received, yet most (like Bill Cosby) have described how dependence on the government was a hinderance to their success.

It is time for everybody to act responsibly. Responsible people do not live beyond their means, and they strive to add more to society than they take from it. Responsible women don’t make babies whom they cannot afford to care for (emotionally, socially, and spiritually, as well as economically). Responsible men do not father children whom they cannot likewise support. Responsible people help their families, friends, and neighbors, and do so without having to be cajoled or coerced. Finally, responsible people take the business of politics seriously, and work within the law to enact changes to laws that violate their rights or the rights of their fellow human beings.

In the US, we have a constitution founded on the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Liberty requires responsible action, not passive indifference. Unless you have concrete ideas to express, please do not block the progress of others with your inane, quasi-philosophic drivel.

Feb 23, 2009 - 11:54 am 96. Jillian:

Obama has pushed through enough pork to bankrupt 3 generations to grease his followers but which won’t help the economy.His foreign policy consists of alienated friendly governments while prostrating himself to vicious enemies.The stench of this administration will become so intense that CNN,MSNBC,Time, the NYT and the Washington Post acting in concert won’t be able to mask it.We will be very fortunate if his 4 year record is even as good as Jimmy Carter’s.When people follow the advice of lousy comedians and vacuous talking heads they end up with a bad joke in the White House

Feb 23, 2009 - 12:34 pm 97. Delia:

95. ruaqtpi2,

“The underprivileged do have a legitimate claim to our compassion and charity, and indeed most of us who have succeeded despite our own obstacles are generally quite generous when not “forced” to be so.”
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Speak it! I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Here’s a personal tidbit for you all taken from a chapter of my childhood:

One Christmas we were so broke that we couldn’t afford a Christmas dinner and forget the idea of presents. Well, some kind souls left a HUGE box on our porch a few days before Christmas eve that had all the fixings for a GRAND Christmas dinner. My mother was humiliated at first and then she cried tears of happiness after she got over the initial pride bruise.

When my mother dared to use welfare she was a lazy, disgusting slob. No LIE. She was! She embodied everything I wanted to steer clear with in my life. LOSER with a capital “L”. That’s your welfare recipient for you. Single moms and deadbeat dads. You betchya.

Feb 23, 2009 - 1:59 pm 98. venividivici:

A conservative would say, let me give you a job, and perhaps a second job, so you can help your mom and your entire family pull yourselves out of a hardscrabble life. Now of course, I won’t pay you what your time is worth.

Another great leftist fallacy: there are tons of people who are systematically underpaid relative to what they bring to the table. Nevermind that hardly anyone lives in “company towns” anymore where there is only one employer. Nevermind that employers typically refuse to hire people they consider “overqualified” for the job because they know those people will run off to the next either higher-paying or more in line with their interests opportunity. Nevermind that nearly the entire country has access to the internet with its dozens of websites compiling local salary information for hundreds of jobs.

No, despite all that, conservative employers “won’t pay you what your time is worth”.

You’re a delusional liar, one of your own. You need years and years of deprogramming and a strict fact-based diet.

Feb 23, 2009 - 4:45 pm 99. Delia:

Also, I should have mentioned my mother [I use the term 'mother' loosely] was a left wing teat sucker. She sucked on the welfare system on and off along with her fellow stoner cohorts. My mother was a SLOB and the 100+ year old house she raised my younger brother and sister and I in [ALL from different fathers, mind you] was later CONDEMNED because it was unfit to live in.

Once my siblings and I grew up and my lazy, disgusting, whore mother didn’t have any dependents to ‘claim’ for welfare she actually made something of her life when she had to get off of her fat, stoner, skank butt and WORK.

So, when I come off a bit judgy and harsh towards people on the left leaning, bleedin’ heart spectrum, it’s because I’ve LIVED it and I don’t ever, EVER plan on REPEATING it.

Feb 23, 2009 - 5:13 pm 100. one of your own:

99. Delia . . . Hmm, that explains a lot. You’ve conflated your experience with liberalism. That’s not the case. Lazy doesn’t equal liberal. Lazy equals lazy. Drug addicts are drug addicts and will take advantage of anybody they can. That include conservative drug addicts. Not a philosophical difference.

Feb 23, 2009 - 6:44 pm 101. Delia:

“Lazy doesn’t equal liberal.”

Okay. I just laughed out loud. You can’t possibly be serious.

Your welfare check is in the mail, ‘homey’.

Feb 23, 2009 - 8:16 pm 102. one of your own:

101. Delia . . . I try to be nice, but what’s the point . . . Joe the Plumber, tax cheat and welfare recipient . . . white trash, know what I mean? Conservative, lazy, lying, teat-sucking white trash.

I’ve never received an unemployment check, welfare check, food stamps, or any other form of public assistance. Never. Can you say the same? No, you can’t. So STFU and go back to blaming mom for everything that didn’t go right in your life.

Feb 23, 2009 - 8:58 pm 103. deguello:

Sounds like the battleship SS( Stalinist Ship) HUGO CHAVEZ,is getting its full crew of marxoid creeps and working up, readying itself for the task of sinking our freedom.Patriots be warned! Man your battle stations!

Feb 24, 2009 - 7:06 am 104. one of your own:

Well, well, well . . . I’ve heard Obama, the future of America. And I’ve heard Jindal, the future of the Republican party. I need say nothing more.

On behalf of mister man, hot and right, high as a kite, and our fearless leader Sambo Hux, I leave you to yourselves.

Feb 24, 2009 - 7:53 pm 105. Delia:

102. one of your own:

I’ve never received an unemployment check, welfare check, food stamps, or any other form of public assistance. Never. Can you say the same? No, you can’t. So STFU and go back to blaming mom for everything that didn’t go right in your life.
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The liberal, teat sucking mind-set bothers you now?

LMFAO! That’s RICH!

BTW, don’t believe everything someone types for a ‘reaction’ fom a libTARD. SOMEtimes April FOOLS are born every day. hehehehe

Feb 25, 2009 - 10:45 pm 106. Brenda Levy:

To one of your own (post 13): Charity is fine and good but socialist “charity” is coerced. You’re not giving out of an altruistic spirit; you’re giving because the government takes from you.

Also, how much of the Stimulus bill involves charity? The spending bill includes money for golf carts. It gives a huge amount of money to ACORN, an organization that pretends to help the poor but which in fact wants to implement a far-left agenda (”rubbing raw” the discontent in the community in order to produce revolution). Did you know that ACORN in the 1990s wanted to force the banks to make risky home loans to poor people? In 1998, in fact, Andrew Cuomo, then the Secretary of HUD under Clinton proudly announced that the government was doing just that. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivmL-lXNy64 .

Spending an enormous amount of “stimulus” money could very easily not fix the economy and in fact harm other economies. I personally believe that Obama is using the Stimulus bill as an excuse to help implement socialism. It contains way too much pork.

Feb 26, 2009 - 3:31 pm 107. Bev:

one of your own………..like a mosquito at a camp out……I hope you are at the front of the line when the USURPER is removed. This I would enjoy……..tremendously. You are certainly not “one of your own” to the MAJORITY of this country. The MAJORITY being the true numbers that count, not what lefty has illegally managed with dear old ACORN.

Apr 4, 2009 - 6:30 pm

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