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		<title>By: Beenz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beenz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born disabled and got little
help.

The women who should have nurtured
me, abandoned me, leaving me
disabled, so I say go out and
work, liberated women, as I am
on disability, now you can pay
my way through life.

Why work when women can support me?
Why bother applying for work when
these women won&#039;t hire a disabled
man in the first place.

Let the liberated women work, and
support ME.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born disabled and got little<br />
help.</p>
<p>The women who should have nurtured<br />
me, abandoned me, leaving me<br />
disabled, so I say go out and<br />
work, liberated women, as I am<br />
on disability, now you can pay<br />
my way through life.</p>
<p>Why work when women can support me?<br />
Why bother applying for work when<br />
these women won&#8217;t hire a disabled<br />
man in the first place.</p>
<p>Let the liberated women work, and<br />
support ME.</p>
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		<title>By: gordo</title>
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		<dc:creator>gordo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 21:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marrying an American woman is fraught with risk. The marriage is likely to end up being an experiment in social justice where the man loses no matter what he does or doesn&#039;t do. If kids come along, forget about it.  The kids will come first, the man relegated to a walking paycheck. American women don&#039;t know how to treat a man, they have been taught to have it all, which means at his expense. For younger men who want a family, look overseas or to newly emigrated women from traditional families. Modern American women are dangerous and steeped in the philosophy that they come first.  Oh,if you are looking for good intimacy, don&#039;t bother with the home-grown ladies.  That&#039;s a lost art.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marrying an American woman is fraught with risk. The marriage is likely to end up being an experiment in social justice where the man loses no matter what he does or doesn&#8217;t do. If kids come along, forget about it.  The kids will come first, the man relegated to a walking paycheck. American women don&#8217;t know how to treat a man, they have been taught to have it all, which means at his expense. For younger men who want a family, look overseas or to newly emigrated women from traditional families. Modern American women are dangerous and steeped in the philosophy that they come first.  Oh,if you are looking for good intimacy, don&#8217;t bother with the home-grown ladies.  That&#8217;s a lost art.</p>
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		<title>By: Japanesewomenonly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Japanesewomenonly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 22:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only Japanese women.  I can&#039;t help it.  Every time I look at Western women (regardless of race) I see a cute face but not a feminine persona.  Women are acting like men in Western countries and it&#039;s a turn off.

Good luck to the rest of you that want to eventually marry women like that...or even consider something like that.

Dating Asian women have made me see what real women and real feminine power/attraction is.

Have a nice day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only Japanese women.  I can&#8217;t help it.  Every time I look at Western women (regardless of race) I see a cute face but not a feminine persona.  Women are acting like men in Western countries and it&#8217;s a turn off.</p>
<p>Good luck to the rest of you that want to eventually marry women like that&#8230;or even consider something like that.</p>
<p>Dating Asian women have made me see what real women and real feminine power/attraction is.</p>
<p>Have a nice day.</p>
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		<title>By: B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, stop whining.

I&#039;ve spent my whole life being quiet, well-spoken, well-read, courteous, gentle, and considerate. I don&#039;t yell, swear, or break wind loudly (or think it&#039;s funny when others do.)  I would have found Maxim crass and juvenalian when I was thirteen years old.

I&#039;ve always made an effort to be a good listener, a considerate helper, and a generous friend.

In return, women have berated me, laughed in my face, demonstrated at best a considerable lack of good manners and at worst blatant disdain.

Being a &quot;nice guy&quot; marks a man as a wimp deserving only of derision, while women consistently seek out - and often keep coming back to - the men who abuse them physically and emotionally. 

I actually had a first (and last) date with a woman who proudly displayed a bumper sticker on her SUV saying, &quot;Men have feelings too - BUT WHO CARES?!&quot;

The date proceeded with her explanation of how, if I was &quot;man enough&quot; to date her, I would simply have to accept her vicious put-downs, manipulation, and emotional abuse as the price for dating someone so gorgeous. 

And yes, she WAS gorgeous. But, contrary to your old stereotypes, most men do NOT engage in belching contests, think flatulence is hilarious, or &quot;think with their penises.&quot;

So I told Miss Who Cares Thanks-but-no-thanks. Which just goes to show, in her eyes, what a wimp I am.

I&#039;m 41 and I&#039;m sick of being manipulated. I know that generalizations are all bad, and that not all women are manipulative, self-centered, and just plain mean. If, by some spectacular miracle, I find that single woman, I&#039;ll probably marry her.

In the meantime, don&#039;t tell ME how I&#039;m just immature and afraid of commitment!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, stop whining.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent my whole life being quiet, well-spoken, well-read, courteous, gentle, and considerate. I don&#8217;t yell, swear, or break wind loudly (or think it&#8217;s funny when others do.)  I would have found Maxim crass and juvenalian when I was thirteen years old.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always made an effort to be a good listener, a considerate helper, and a generous friend.</p>
<p>In return, women have berated me, laughed in my face, demonstrated at best a considerable lack of good manners and at worst blatant disdain.</p>
<p>Being a &#8220;nice guy&#8221; marks a man as a wimp deserving only of derision, while women consistently seek out &#8211; and often keep coming back to &#8211; the men who abuse them physically and emotionally. </p>
<p>I actually had a first (and last) date with a woman who proudly displayed a bumper sticker on her SUV saying, &#8220;Men have feelings too &#8211; BUT WHO CARES?!&#8221;</p>
<p>The date proceeded with her explanation of how, if I was &#8220;man enough&#8221; to date her, I would simply have to accept her vicious put-downs, manipulation, and emotional abuse as the price for dating someone so gorgeous. </p>
<p>And yes, she WAS gorgeous. But, contrary to your old stereotypes, most men do NOT engage in belching contests, think flatulence is hilarious, or &#8220;think with their penises.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I told Miss Who Cares Thanks-but-no-thanks. Which just goes to show, in her eyes, what a wimp I am.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 41 and I&#8217;m sick of being manipulated. I know that generalizations are all bad, and that not all women are manipulative, self-centered, and just plain mean. If, by some spectacular miracle, I find that single woman, I&#8217;ll probably marry her.</p>
<p>In the meantime, don&#8217;t tell ME how I&#8217;m just immature and afraid of commitment!</p>
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		<title>By: PETER</title>
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		<dc:creator>PETER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 19:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IS THAT TRUE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IS THAT TRUE.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is there such a debate on this blog the fact that no women are posting any comments on the situation where men have to face in divorce court simply means they know in a divorce they will hold all the cards and I don&#039;t believe this will change anytime soon so its a simple solution 
don&#039;t get married end of debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is there such a debate on this blog the fact that no women are posting any comments on the situation where men have to face in divorce court simply means they know in a divorce they will hold all the cards and I don&#8217;t believe this will change anytime soon so its a simple solution<br />
don&#8217;t get married end of debate.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case anybody thinks what Chris is saying above is fiction, check out what happened to this fellow from Massachusetts. Being mentioned by the ABA Journal no less:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/former_big_firm_lawyer_now_unemployed_still_on_the_hook_for_alimony/

Gentelemen - marry at your own risk. It is a lose/lose proposition with today&#039;s (post-1970) laws. Your Civil Rights and the U.S. Constitution will mean nothing against the awesome dictatorial powers of the Family Court. We overthrew King George two centuries ago. But now we have a new king. All kneel before our new overlords ... the Divorce Industrial Complex. The Communist Party in the old USSR never had it so good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anybody thinks what Chris is saying above is fiction, check out what happened to this fellow from Massachusetts. Being mentioned by the ABA Journal no less:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abajournal.com/news/former_big_firm_lawyer_now_unemployed_still_on_the_hook_for_alimony/" rel="nofollow">http://www.abajournal.com/news/former_big_firm_lawyer_now_unemployed_still_on_the_hook_for_alimony/</a></p>
<p>Gentelemen &#8211; marry at your own risk. It is a lose/lose proposition with today&#8217;s (post-1970) laws. Your Civil Rights and the U.S. Constitution will mean nothing against the awesome dictatorial powers of the Family Court. We overthrew King George two centuries ago. But now we have a new king. All kneel before our new overlords &#8230; the Divorce Industrial Complex. The Communist Party in the old USSR never had it so good.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real reason men won&#039;t settle is because the chances are very high that he will get screwed.  For women, marriage is a &quot;can&#039;t lose&quot; proposition, but for men, it&#039;s a &quot;highly likely you WILL lose and LOSE BIG&quot; proposition.  It&#039;s just as simple as that. 

The truth is that more than 67% of marriages will end in divorce (read the fine print - it&#039;s NOT 50% - that doesn&#039;t include 5 states, all with higher divorce rates). 92% of the time it will be initiated by the woman for no other reason than she is “unfulfilled” – oh, and because she gets the kids, the house, at least ½ the assets and most of his future after tax income for the next 18 years. The man will get raked over in family court. He will lose the house. He will see his kids 2 out of 14 days (if the ex doesn&#039;t level unsubstantiated &quot;abuse&quot; claims.) He will be forced to hand over 40-50% of his take-home pay. If he loses his job due to illness or downsizing, the State will toss him in jail. While jailed the arrearage will grow and the state will charge interest. The State will revoke his driver&#039;s and professional licenses, make him virtually unemployable.

If you were to take up sky-diving, and the instructor informed you that 67% of the parachutes were defective, would you take the plunge?

Until the laws change, the men’s Marriage Strike is alive and well, thank you.  nomarriage.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real reason men won&#8217;t settle is because the chances are very high that he will get screwed.  For women, marriage is a &#8220;can&#8217;t lose&#8221; proposition, but for men, it&#8217;s a &#8220;highly likely you WILL lose and LOSE BIG&#8221; proposition.  It&#8217;s just as simple as that. </p>
<p>The truth is that more than 67% of marriages will end in divorce (read the fine print &#8211; it&#8217;s NOT 50% &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t include 5 states, all with higher divorce rates). 92% of the time it will be initiated by the woman for no other reason than she is “unfulfilled” – oh, and because she gets the kids, the house, at least ½ the assets and most of his future after tax income for the next 18 years. The man will get raked over in family court. He will lose the house. He will see his kids 2 out of 14 days (if the ex doesn&#8217;t level unsubstantiated &#8220;abuse&#8221; claims.) He will be forced to hand over 40-50% of his take-home pay. If he loses his job due to illness or downsizing, the State will toss him in jail. While jailed the arrearage will grow and the state will charge interest. The State will revoke his driver&#8217;s and professional licenses, make him virtually unemployable.</p>
<p>If you were to take up sky-diving, and the instructor informed you that 67% of the parachutes were defective, would you take the plunge?</p>
<p>Until the laws change, the men’s Marriage Strike is alive and well, thank you.  nomarriage.com</p>
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		<title>By: Micha Elyi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micha Elyi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There are a few women like Dr. Helen who are willing to stand up for men out of the principle that injustice is wrong, period. Women like Dr. Helen probably only make 0.1% (at best) of the female population.
-- MRA (#96)&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, yes, 99.9 percent of us have no interest whatsoever in justice or fairness. C’mon now. That’s no different from a radical feminist saying 99.9 percent of men secretly long to rape women.
-- Donna V. (#101),

Ha ha, just as MRA predicted: &quot;Women say, &#039;Not all women are like that.&#039; &quot;  Donna V. fits the profile.

Donna V., it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; different.  First, I doubt that you ever put as much effort into disagreeing with any such &quot;radical feminist&quot; as you did into wagging your finger there at MRA.  By the way, feminists who accept misandrous claims such as &quot;99.9 percent of men secretly long to rape women&quot; aren&#039;t &quot;radical,&quot; they&#039;re the ones the mainstream feminists consider hopeless compromisers.  &lt;i&gt;Radical&lt;/i&gt; feminists say or swallow such hate speech as &lt;i&gt;&quot;all&lt;/i&gt; men are rapists and that&#039;s all they are&quot; and they, the radical ones, are accepted by mainstream feminists as the leaders and intellects of the feminist movement. 

Second, despite your attempt to distort MRA&#039;s remarks, the bar that you have to surpass to escape being justly lumped in with 99.9% of your American sisters, Donna V., isn&#039;t to exceed &quot;no interest whatsoever in justice or fairness&quot;.  MRA noted that, in his opinion, as few as 10% of women have that attitude.  To escape being lumped in with MRA&#039;s 99.9% of women though, you must put some serious effort into &quot;stand(ing) up for men out of the principle that injustice is wrong, period&quot; as Dr. Helen does.  You don&#039;t have to equal Dr. Helen&#039;s effort, exposure, or effectiveness, Donna V., but you &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have to &quot;stand up&quot; for men.

Quibbling in the comment section of someone else&#039;s blog and crying &quot;Not all women are like that!&quot; isn&#039;t standing up for men.  Rather, it&#039;s being self-centered on your part, Donna V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There are a few women like Dr. Helen who are willing to stand up for men out of the principle that injustice is wrong, period. Women like Dr. Helen probably only make 0.1% (at best) of the female population.<br />
&#8211; MRA (#96)</i></p>
<p>Oh, yes, 99.9 percent of us have no interest whatsoever in justice or fairness. C’mon now. That’s no different from a radical feminist saying 99.9 percent of men secretly long to rape women.<br />
&#8211; Donna V. (#101),</p>
<p>Ha ha, just as MRA predicted: &#8220;Women say, &#8216;Not all women are like that.&#8217; &#8221;  Donna V. fits the profile.</p>
<p>Donna V., it <i>is</i> different.  First, I doubt that you ever put as much effort into disagreeing with any such &#8220;radical feminist&#8221; as you did into wagging your finger there at MRA.  By the way, feminists who accept misandrous claims such as &#8220;99.9 percent of men secretly long to rape women&#8221; aren&#8217;t &#8220;radical,&#8221; they&#8217;re the ones the mainstream feminists consider hopeless compromisers.  <i>Radical</i> feminists say or swallow such hate speech as <i>&#8220;all</i> men are rapists and that&#8217;s all they are&#8221; and they, the radical ones, are accepted by mainstream feminists as the leaders and intellects of the feminist movement. </p>
<p>Second, despite your attempt to distort MRA&#8217;s remarks, the bar that you have to surpass to escape being justly lumped in with 99.9% of your American sisters, Donna V., isn&#8217;t to exceed &#8220;no interest whatsoever in justice or fairness&#8221;.  MRA noted that, in his opinion, as few as 10% of women have that attitude.  To escape being lumped in with MRA&#8217;s 99.9% of women though, you must put some serious effort into &#8220;stand(ing) up for men out of the principle that injustice is wrong, period&#8221; as Dr. Helen does.  You don&#8217;t have to equal Dr. Helen&#8217;s effort, exposure, or effectiveness, Donna V., but you <i>do</i> have to &#8220;stand up&#8221; for men.</p>
<p>Quibbling in the comment section of someone else&#8217;s blog and crying &#8220;Not all women are like that!&#8221; isn&#8217;t standing up for men.  Rather, it&#8217;s being self-centered on your part, Donna V.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeM</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I wonder if what women believe that men today have difficulty coping with the modern women maybe there is truth to this if you read what the guys are saying you would think they were perfect. I for one would not blame the women more than the men for the marriage breakdown there was a time when women could not leave the husband even at peril to life now they have a choice and we as men must make the effort to understand and work together or they will choose to leave why not they can survive quite well on their own it may not be easy to change but if we are stubborn we are as much to blame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I wonder if what women believe that men today have difficulty coping with the modern women maybe there is truth to this if you read what the guys are saying you would think they were perfect. I for one would not blame the women more than the men for the marriage breakdown there was a time when women could not leave the husband even at peril to life now they have a choice and we as men must make the effort to understand and work together or they will choose to leave why not they can survive quite well on their own it may not be easy to change but if we are stubborn we are as much to blame.</p>
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