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1. TOM:

Pajamas Media is quite incapable of facing up to the racial issue.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:21 am 2. How is forcing the innocent to pay rent for the guilty justice?:

Ms. Catalano, there are millions of poor people in this country who nonetheless manage to refrain from senseless violence – the blame here lies with the perpetrators, and to a lesser extent, their parents.

One of the sickest aspects of these incidents which are far too common is that the taxpayers of California will be burdened with paying tens of thousands of dollars per year to house these monsters for decades to come, unless other monsters already on the inside of their cozy taxpayer-funded housing decide to dispense the justice that our bleeding heart courts are unwilling to.

This incident, along with the gang murder in Chicago recently, and the incredibly disturbing Christian/Newsom double murder in Tennessee a couple years ago, bring to my mind the passage in Heinlein’s Starship Troopers about “juvenile delinquents”, particularly since the people who condoned this action through their own inaction in raising their children, or watching and taking pictures will likely face no consequences. I saw a recent article about this violence on NPR, and the featured picture was of the relatives of one of the accused crying(yes, you read that right, the accused), the slant of much of the media in this country is sickening.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:52 am 3. Cris:

The city of Richmond is bankrupt. There might have been no money to provide adequate security. All the same, there is something seriously flawed in a subsection of society that calls its friends when witnessing a crime instead of the police.
ACORN is very active in Richmond. Apparently a united front against youth crime isn’t on their local agenda.

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:00 am 4. Ken Besig Israel:

I am simply amazed that no sentient individual has even raised the possibility that African American rap music and comedy might have something to do with this awful crime. I have watched Black rap videos and their virtual denigration of women in general, and Black woment in particular, and how these women are presented as the cheapest, easiest, and most promiscuous things imaginable, women who dress provocatively and seem only in how much they can charge for their sexual favors. Black comedians like Chris Rock are even more disgusting with their coarse, vulgar, sexually twisted and often racist so called comedy. Certainly these Black comedians use the sickest type of language to demean women, and by the way White men, but they do it to loud guffaws of laughter when their perverted “jokes” should be met with shouts of “Shut Up” or “You’re disgusting.” All I can say is that you reap what you sow, and if you sow sickness you reap epidemics.

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:02 am 5. Mike Jefferson:

“Take the poverty-driven frustration of inner-city Richmond, a youth street culture that glorifies thugs and applauds degradation of women, and the desensitization of young men through violent video games, music and language, and you have a template for trouble.”

And pray tell who exactly promotes and glorifies this “culture”? Is it not the media, music and film industries – all of whom are uber-liberal?

I rest my case.

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:50 am 6. RAH:

The glorification of the criminal gang culture and the rap culture of demeaning women and promoting rape has acculturated these young black males into this behavior and the witnesses that watched.

This is the destruction of civilization we are seeing with the failure to instill civilized codes of behavior in our young instead allowing them to grow up as savages like in Lord of the Flies.

These young males that committed this act are now wasted and unrecoverable. Those that watched may be recoverable. But as long as the society condones the culture that glorifies these savage acts these irredeemable behaviors will continue.

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:51 am 7. Tom Perkins:

@ TOM, I think you need to elaborate.

Nov 3, 2009 - 4:14 am 8. TerryO:

Shame. America has surrendered the ability to impose shame upon those acting against society. Blame is assigned willy nilly, but no one is shamed. Liberal sensibilities surrounding the poverty, etc. preclude anyone from expressing politically incorrect shaming. Somehow this will eventually be blamed on the ‘angry white men,’ liberals blame for everything.

Nov 3, 2009 - 4:22 am 9. qzy:

Poverty doesn’t cause crime. Crime causes poverty.

Nov 3, 2009 - 5:06 am 10. David P:

“Blame” may change how we feel about it, but it won’t espouse any “solutions”

Richmond is a cruel, unforgiving and violent place to live. Every environmental factor from pop culture, poverty even its location across the bay in view of San Quentin prison contribute to this wretched reality. When my car was stolen in 2002, it was found gutted in Richmond’s ‘Iron Triangle’ neighborhood where I was told by authorities that 80% of stolen vehicles in the Bay Area end up. Chop shops, crack spots, grow houses all intermingle & line the ruthless streets of this post industrial, long ago abandoned fringe city.

Nov 3, 2009 - 5:21 am 11. hulagirl:

I would like to know how many of these boys are from illegal alien homes and how many are anchor babies . I have traveled to many countries where women are just an instrument to mens pleasure and are treated like property. Unfortunately Mexico is one of those countries where the women and the animals suffer with brutality heaped upon them every day by their ” masters” Each and everyone of those kid perpetrators and onlookers should be punished according to their role in the attack. I read that one girl said it “just happened ” this is the mind set these girls are brought up with to stick up for the very boys that will kill them . What has this country become,our politicians condone third world people to come in here and bring their warped sense of life and disdain for all life if it is not male . We have enough perverts that are Americans we don’t need perverted men and women from other countries . People of this mindset will never want to become true American,they are here for the freebies they don’t have in their countries.

Nov 3, 2009 - 5:41 am 12. Morton Doodslag:

I lived in Berkeley 20 years ago, and passed by Richmond quite often on my way to Marin. It was pretty much a no-go zone even then (for non-blacks). Despite the fact that blacks love to guilt-trip whites by suggesting that such territories are imposed by whites on blacks through their racist apartheid system, blacks show many signs that they are fiercely proud of their urban tribal kingdoms. When I was there, the same was true for much of Oakland. This is nothing new. Now I live in Los Angeles and there are places like Copton and Inglewood where thuggery and black hatred are celebrated. This is sometimes called “black pride”.

These areas around America are considered by many blacks to be bastions of Black Power. This is the playground of the worst in Liberal “identity politics”, where the slime and victim pimps such as Rv. Jackson, Rv. Sharpton, B. H. Obama, Rv. Farrakhan, and Rv. Jeremiah Wright do their dirty work. Is it any wonder that these cesspools of Black corruption and Black racism are the same swamp from which groups such as The Black Panthers, the Nation of Islam, and myriad other black separatist nazi or shakedown groups emerge and fester?

Nov 3, 2009 - 5:47 am 13. Peter the Bubblehead:

3. Cris wrote:
ACORN is very active in Richmond. Apparently a united front against youth crime isn’t on their local agenda.

Peter writes: But I bet they already have the paperwork filled out for these monsters to vote the instant they turn 18.

On another topic, what the heck is TOM at #1 talking about?

Nov 3, 2009 - 5:56 am 14. Paul from Hamburg:

I predict that some witness will say this: “Yes, we saw it happen, but it didn’t look like rape to us.”

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:03 am 15. Dave M.:

How many of these thugs grew up with fathers in the house? Until illegitimacy rates in this country are drastically reduced, especially the 70-80% amongst blacks, nothing is going to get better.

Is anyone out there shocked that at seven out of every ten black children born in this country are born out of wedlock? Does the so-called black community think this is a problem? Are black women tired of being abandoned? What is even more disheartening is that instead of this problem getting better, the rest of American society is starting to do the same thing.

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:12 am 16. BettyBlue:

Hmmmm, I’ve got an idea!

Howzabout we blame the kids themselves?

Send the perpetrators to jail. Send their families back to Mexico, if they’re here illegally. Shut the school down—it’s obviously a waste of taxpayer dollars, at this point; kick the kids out (those swell kids who stood around watching, whooping and laughing and taking cell phone pics). If any of them are here illegally, send them home to Mexico, too. Let them learn to work for a living, at whatever they can get. They don’t deserve to be in school, and doesn’t sound like they’re getting much of an education anyway.

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:29 am 17. BettyBlue:

Oh, yes, and the girl, and her family, should sue the guys involved, the school system and the witless security people for everything they’ve got.

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:33 am 18. Ringo:

As long as it’s happening there and not where you are, what’s the big deal?

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:50 am 19. Ruebacca:

12. Morton Doodslag:

You got it right.

I gust want to add that Parents from the rural areas of Mexico stop supporting there young men at 11-12 years. At that age they are considered men. These are the kids that are the feed stock of the huge Latin gangs like MS13. First generation Mexican kids don’t finish High school because of this and fill our prisons.

Compare this to poor Chinese or Vietnamese families who’s Kids fill our UC schools. This is another example of how multiculturalism fails. People from a Confucian culture are much better equipped to succeed.

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:53 am 20. Phranc:

For the love of god its not music and video games. If it were all every one under 35 would be in jail. It comes down to parenting and responsibility. In many areas of America today there are no parents parenting. They pass it off to the schools. Fathers are absent in homes and children don’t learn that actions have consequences early on. Worse is that they don’t learn it later on either when faced with the courts. Criminals now have more rights then the victims they leave in their wake. Judges give light sentences and the excuse of age keeps many deserving animals off the streets. Until society as a whole is willing to stand up against criminals and start culling them from the populous the romanticizing will perpetuate. Set back up the gallows and use them. Take away the ridiculous amount of appeals and execute those that offer nothing to society. Some people simply do not deserve to live. These views are far from PC but its the PC liberal way that has this once great country increasingly looking like the slums of Brazil and Colombia.

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:57 am 21. wayne:

Anyone who thinks that the politically-correct socialist domination of all of us (including our thought processes) JUST LIKE WHAT IS ALREADY OCCURRING IN EUROPE hasn’t already happened is deluding themselves.

We already see how the media refuses to speak towards the creeping imposition of Sharia and honor-killings in the Islamic community here and people are too afraid to address it for facing an onslaught by CAIR and Islamist supporters in the academic community.

Even worse is the terror THAT EVEN CONSERVATIVE MEDIA OUTLETS LIKE THIS ONE have towards dealing with issues with racial implications.

Few people here will even dare to say what is true: due to the whole concept of VICTIMOLOGY as promoted by folks like Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton, and the glorification of the thug life – BLACK POPULAR CULTURE (THUG) HAS BECOME UTTERLY CORRUPT AND BEREFT OF ALMOST ANY REAL CIVILIZED TRAITS – just like the tribal cultures of most of the third world.

There is a better description for what was done to this young woman in Richmond – THUG SHARIA.

In the THUG LIFE, “bitches gots to give it up”. Just like in Sharia a lesson was delivered to the rest of the young women in the community about what happens to someone who refuses one of the brotha’s – you get the THUG SHARIA PENALTY – honor-beaten and honor-raped.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:01 am 22. Avitar:

There was one boy who went and reported the crime, a skiny white kid, maybe hispanic. The question is will the school do anything to boost the status of the kid who did the right thing in the face of clear dannger to himself? Or wull the teachers give Katate classes to the siblings of the rapists as is usual? In too many schools the the morally upstanding students along with the smart with a thirst for knowledge become the whipping boys for the teachers to elevate the teachers status because they do not hit back and graduates of the University education programs are not morally upstanding people and have no thirst for knowledge. If they did they would die of bordom before completeing the degree.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:06 am 23. urbanleftbehind:

#11

With a name like that, I hope you aint “native” Hawaiian, if not for the lessons learned by the US Navy in having to rush ships to the Phillipines and China in wartime, you’d be as ass backwards as good ole Mexico.

#17

Ahh , Ms Blue: but what if the girl was here illegally, too? A gold plated palace on the same strip of Mazatlan with Chapo Guzman and Carlos Slim as her neighbors? Then what? And about the whole school, what if you werent at the scene and you simply went to the dance or even stayed home, knowing what mayhem could befall you. Would you “voucher” the true good kids to other schools?

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:16 am 24. BettyBlue:

The teachers will do nothing for the boy who reported the crime, and everything for the rapists, and cell phone picture takers.

Another reason the school should just be shut down.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:19 am 25. LM:

BettyBlue: “sue the guys involved”? That’s a judgement you’d collect.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:23 am 26. Ride Fast:

Here is step one to stopping this from happening again, The California Way – Richmond gang rape seen as nearly inevitable.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:31 am 27. Sowell Disciple:

#16, 17 BettyBlue:

You assume that identities are known. One eyewitness account was cited, but beyond that, that isn’t clear from the article. And this lasted 2.5 hours!

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:33 am 28. Phranc:

If the official reports hold true to form the hispanic will only be called a hispanic if its a victim while the perp will be labeled as white, officially. This gross distortion makes it look like hispanics commit no crimes and are abused by whites in greater numbers then they actually do.

http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/crime.htm

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:45 am 29. BettyBlue:

Sowell, if it lasted 2.5 hours, and people were taking pictures, then, yeah, the identities are known. Probably quite well known. And there was probably more than one eyewitness, despite only one being officially being cited. I seriously doubt most of the people there that night were struck blind, deaf and dumb for 2.5 hours.

The fact that they haven’t rounded them all up speaks volumes. People know, they just don’t want to do anything about the rapists, and hope the whole thing will just go away. Shut that place down.

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:13 am 30. BettyBlue:

You’d never collect, LM, but you’d get the chance to haul them into court, disrupt their comfy lives, maybe take a deeper look into their background, get them deported if they’re here illegally. . . and, who knows, maybe some shark lawyer could come up with something they could take.

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:15 am 31. Grace O'Malley:

It’s not the poverty, the poverty is an effect of the culture and lifestyle of those who live there.

It’s not the music, that is a symptom of the culture, the music does not make the culture, the music is a celebration of the culture. Did Bach create enlightened Germany or did enlightened Germany create Bach? The same came be said of video games. The games do not create the culture, they are a product of a culture which then, like the music, reinforces that culture.

Why is it the schools fault either? Schools are created by their communities, and as such are a reflection of their communities. The school is again simply a symptom, not the disease. Like all symptoms it reinforces the disease process, but one can treat a symptom all day long and never cure the disease.

The disease is lack of morals, plain and simple. It is a culture that celebrates immoral and indecent behavior. It is reinforced by parents who live it and believe it, it is reinforced by the music, by video games and by the poverty that is a RESULT not the CAUSE, of the disease. It is a culture that celebrates a man who treats “his” woman like dirt, which celebrates that woman allowing it, which celebrates violence against anyone who interferes with the current wants of a perpetrator, which celebrates children having children and thrusting the same sick values on that child.
The school, the music, the video games, the violence, are all nothing more than symptoms of a culture that too few are willing to simply label as wrong. Those who seek to label it for what it is are then called racists, narrow minded and judgmental, and don’t you know that Jesus told us not to be judgmental? What kind of poor Christian are you if you are judgmental?

So we end up on the same Merry Go Round over and over, blaming the symptoms instead of the disease. Of course ACORN or other similar groups are active in these kinds of communities, they treat the symptoms and never cure the disease because if they do, where are their jobs? And besides they don’t want to be labeled racists, or narrow minded or judgmental. I mean really, what kind of intolerant racist simply labels other peoples behavior as wrong?

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:16 am 32. BettyBlue:

Urban, why would you want good, decent kids, who didn’t have anything to do with the rape, forced to attend a school like that? It’s obvious their “classmates” are, either: 1. Criminals, or 2. Pinheads, who take pictures of crimes, and laugh at people being brutalized. Why should they stay in such an environment? Get them out, before they’re corrupted by their lovely classmates, or become victims themselves.

And, please, don’t try and play the illegal immigrant sympathy card. As other posters have pointed out, America already has enough perverts and thugs, we don’t need to import more. Or do you think we’re in such crying need of them, that these kids shouldn’t be sent back home—along with their parents—if they are illegal?

(If the girl, herself, is illegal, since she committed no crime, I’d give her a shot at getting citizenship legally.)

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:25 am 33. deguello:

Who’s to blame?That’s easy,it’s Bushe’s fault!

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:28 am 34. gracie:

“It wasn’t nobody’s fault,” she said. “People shouldn’t be pointing fingers.”
“They had her down on the bench and the bitch tried to kick ‘Tweak’ (one of the men) in the nuts,”

Two very disturbing statements from the “young” people. It wasn’t “nobody’s” fault, WOW!!!! that’s an attitude that needs to be questioned and talked about with that senior…

And then..the “bitch” tried…not the girl…the “bitch”.

They all need to be hamstrung. yeahyeah, violence begats violence. With these young men, they only understand violence. If you think “talking” to them is going to help, I am afraid you are mistaken, they are too far gone. There needs to be a really special place for the likes of these people, the perpetrators, and onlookers.

there is hope for a younger generation, but we don’t want to violate their civil rights by cracking down and demanding that laws be adhered to and programs set up to help.

the prison these people will be sent to will turn out an even more evil person. We need to clean up the prisons. Make then strict, no gangs, no nuttin… Then maybe people will think twice about doing the crime.. But that would, again, violate their civil rights. Everybody wants their civil rights honored, but tread on anyone they please. Turn those puppies out into the general population first day.. I have no compassion for these young men.

It will be interesting to hear their defense. There is NOTHING in their lives that could excuse their rape of this young girl. I don’t care what their background is, there is no excuse!! Nada, zilch,0.

Also, it’s about the savagery of this event, the mindset..

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:46 am 35. Real Deal:

I’d turn them all over to Chuck Pelayo and his boys.

“Some of us know a few guys who were there, and we’re out looking for them,” Pelayo added, the others nodding. “They better hope the cops find them first, because when we find them the same thing that happened to that girl is gonna happen to them.”

We need to exercise the death penalty more frequently. Especially in cases like this where we can gather multiple sources of video and pics. Public executions in the town square by hanging, we can use organically grown, bio-degradable, low carbon foot print hemp for the rope to make the Lefties happy. Oh yeah, we can even recycle the rope and use it for more than one hanging.

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:14 am 36. jane:

This is a terrible thing, and hopefully the media will do its job and we’ll learn more about this incident. One thing we do know is that both the town of Richmond and Richmond High School are cesspools of pathology where violence and crime are a given.

This young girl’s life is ruined. But I ask myself a question. If I were the parent of this 15 year old attending this dangerous school with a known heavy criminal, gang element present, would I let her attend the dance at the school by herself and leave it unaccompanied? First of all, I would beg, borrow, steal, do whatever I had to do to make sure my daughter was “rezoned” out of this high school, or that I moved away, especially if she were within a 2% minority in the school as this girl apparently was. A hispanic employee of mine “gamed the system” to get her grand daughter out of this type of gang infested high school and into a decent one, and the girl was not even within a racial minority in the school. I applauded her for that. I am not blaming the victim or her parents, I am asking questions. Our kids (and grandkids) live in a very dangerous world. Failure to take account of that can be very costly.

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:18 am 37. Paul of Alexandria:

Phranc (20):

For the love of god its not music and video games.

Well, the music and video games certainly contribute to the violence. Good parenting can overcome the music and video games (although I control what is played in my house very carefully). However basic psychology demonstrates that when a person is exposed to violence and profanity day after day after day – receiving no balancing feedback from parents or peers, they will accept the message that the music and games send.

A bit of history WRT video games. During the Civil War, people cleaning up the battle fields noted that there were numerous rifles found with multiple rounds loaded, and never fired. The soldiers simply couldn’t pull the trigger on another human being. This situation continued up until the Vietnam War, when military training started an active conditioning program for soldiers. This includes the use of human-profile paper targets, as opposed to bulls-eye targets; pop-up targets; and simulated fire against human opponents. The same training is used for police. The most critical thing to overcome is the initial reaction. If you can train a soldier to fire at a human-shaped target that he knows isn’t human, then he/she is more liable to fire at an actual human reflexively before realizing that the target is human.

Essentially, the current generation of violent video games are military-grade training/conditioning systems. They train players to commit the most obscene acts and even crimes without consequence. What many people fail to remember is that play, especially among children, is a rehearsal for real-life. As people play, so will they act in the real-world. If a young man is inclined to violence anyways – and most are – and has played Grand Theft Auto for several years, he will be more likely to accept real auto theft as an acceptable act. It’s not a certainty, very few things involving humans are, but it raises the likelyhood considerably.

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:21 am 38. Falconsword:

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who watches a woman being raped and uses their cellphone to call anyone other than the police deserves the same fate as the rapists. I don’t believe in the Christian hell, but these people would deserve such a fate. *ucking monsters.

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:47 am 39. jd:

Jesus Said: “Judge not, lest ye be judged.”

Then he proceeded to give us permission to be Fruit Inspectors.

That is because Jesus understood the difference between discernment and judgment.

Judgmental-ism is knee jerk, without regard to outcomes. Like how we praise liberals for their “Good Intentions.”

Discernment looks to results. By their fruit ye shall know them. I think we are seeing some of the Fruit of Liberalism here. How revealing is the following —
“They had her down on the bench and the bitch tried to kick ‘Tweak’ (one of the men) in the nuts,” said one young man, who said he had a first-hand account of the attack from Smith but was afraid of being named. “He went off on her, started hitting her, and then it was on. They pulled a train (a gang initiation-style rape, one after the other) on her.”
She isn’t a victim to this person, she’s an item. And his wording shows more identification with her attackers than with her plight.

— What we have here is some Really Really BAD fruit!

This is a genuine poverty of Values, the very values that liberals are mocking, and insisting that certain groups “must not” be held accountable to.
So my own discernment is that those involved, and many of those on the periphery are, in fact, animals more so than human. And until we are able to state those facts in public without being vilified for racism, the problems will only get worse.

jd

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:47 am 40. TOM:

The victim was white.

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:00 am 41. wGraves:

Definition of insurrection: The act or an instance of open revolt against civil authority or a constituted government.

California State Constitution:

SEC. 7. The Governor is commander in chief of a militia that shall
be provided by statute. The Governor may call it forth to execute
the law.

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:27 am 42. alanstorm:

TOM, brevity may be admirable, but it can be taken to extremes…

Do you have a point, and will you ever get to it?

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:42 am 43. John T.:

What went on that night in Richmond has little to do with poverty but has everything to do with lack of values and, to a lesser extent, boys being raised by women with little male adult influence and role modeling. Years ago, a liberal man called into a Seattle radio talk show and angrily remarked, “I don’t want the schools teaching values to my kids.” Twenty years later, we are reaping the effects of that caller’s sentiment and the inmates are running the asylum.

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:42 am 44. M. Report:

Tom-Tom ?
Is that a code word ?
Or the ticking of a Clockwork Orange ?
Class: Alex’s Droogs went on to careers
in ________.
See also “V for Vendetta”

We all know what we cannot say,
and who we cannot say it about;
The author, and Pajamas Media, do not have
our advantage of anonymity to protect them
from legal(ized) persecution.
That is why Ethnicity is not specified
in the article; One must pretend that
feral children are depraved on account
of being deprived, as opposed to being
the norm, rather than the exception,
in certain cultures and/or among certain
races which must remain nameless because:
A) We want their votes.
B) We profit from acting as their keepers.
c) We are afraid of them.
D) All of the above.

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:44 am 45. Delia:

I guess throwing tax dollars and community organizers at a situation like Richmond, CA really is pointless indeed.

P.S. The only ‘gangs’ that should be allowed to exist in our country should be CHAIN GANGS.

Nov 3, 2009 - 11:26 am 46. glenn:

The weekend story about this “incident” in the SF Chron made me wish just for a moment that I was a Lawyer. I’d take this case just for the fun of making all the school administrators quoted here and in the Chron answer a few questions under oath.

BTW I suspect that these young mens fathers, wherever they are, wouldn’t make very good role models. Further we go into human behavior and the reasons for crime the larger heredity looms as a reason.

Nov 3, 2009 - 11:51 am 47. Exactly!:

MY OPINION ONLY, NOT FACTS:

In the land of the Bloods and Crips, the Gang Bangers get their street cred while the wannabes cheer them on.

While the teachers sell the crack and wait for their Obamamoney.

And the men are out of the homes, and God is out of the schools.

And across the bay in stylish Marin, the puffed, botoxed and sucked housewives sit in their correctly “green” homes,

Basking in their rememberance of “Yes we can” and “Hope and Change”, as they dream of the next time they have sex with the pool boy, the yard man, the plumber, the carpenter … anyone … other than their limp lawyer husbands.

And California sinks deeper into the cesspool of self … as in the background it is again …

1965. And the words “We will create a Great Society” are carried on the wind.

And we have reaped what we have sown.

Nov 3, 2009 - 11:53 am 48. Chris Bolts Sr.:

Umm, why don’t we just state the fault lies with the kids who perpetrated the crime and not with anyone or anything else?

And I tire of people blaming media for the behaviors of kids. Not too long ago people were blaming comic books for the violence in the 60s and 70s. Now they want to blame video games. AFAIK, there is no game that advocates the brutal gang rape of a 15 year old girl while other people watch. That there is an animal mentality.

Several years ago, here in AZ a girl around the same age was gang-raped by a bunch of black thugs. Here’s the kicker: the local chapter of the NAACP protested these thugs being prosecuted as adults saying that it was smelled of bigotry to treat the boys so harshly. Here’s another kicker: the girl who was gang-raped was BLACK. Oh, and this happened when the best graphics were to be found on a Super Nintendo. Bad kids will be bad kids and if bad kids do heinous crimes that even adults won’t do then bad kids who do heinous crimes that even adults won’t do should be treated as adults.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:07 pm 49. robotech master:

I find 2 comments most disturbing and most ignorant by Michele Catalano.

First this.

“If you know the courtyard in question and know it’s ripe for an incident, maybe some lights or better security would have gone a long way toward preventing an occurrence that has dramatically changed a young girl’s life forever.”

Lights rarely stop any crimes they at best shift the crime somewhere else…. and thats at best. Clearly these groups didn’t care who saw them since they were more then happen to call friends and have pictures and video tapings of them. The “lights” is a meaningless argument from someone who doesn’t understand crime.

This is also a classic “well if only we oppressed ppl more through government” argument.

If this is such a bad area then students should be allowed to be armed period. Unless your arming the citizens then clearly the crime problem is “minor”… you know since some lights are going to stop the crime and all.

Second this comment

“A culture of fear, arrogance, criminality, and disregard for authority exists within the group that committed the crime as well as the group that watched.”

This has everything to due with a complete lack of fear. They do not fear punishment they do not fear death from an armed victim they do not fear neighbors or anything.

It also has nothing to due with “arrogance or criminality” for they are both superiors and in the right to do such things. And where did they learn those traits from… likely from ppl like a person named Michele Catalano who believed some lights and more government is to be blamed for all the problems…They like Michele Catalano argue “if only the government had stopped us”.

“and disregard for authority exists within the group that committed the crime as well as the group that watched.”

Once again very wrong these ppl in both groups highly respect the collectivist authority that ppl like Michele Catalano believe in… if only their had been more lights or guards or government they would have known it was the wrong place to do they’re “business” however since the fact the government has given approval for such action where there aren’t lights or guards through the acts of disarming the public and by giving them every excuse such as being poor, etc, etc is expected of them… their actions were approved by the government and thus they acted on them.

To the ppl asking questions about 1/40 TOM.

The media has had a complete “blackout” of race in this issue. He is arguing that its because the victim is white and the attackers weren’t. The fact that PJM has kept to this self imposed racial censorship is what he’s pointing out.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:14 pm 50. donttreadonme:

This crime is the ultimate nihilist result of state-sponsored Godless neo-liberalism/fascism. The State neuters the demands on civility and the family structure, and then leaves a vacuum of broken nanny-State promises. Prove it otherwise, you rotten sycophantic fellow-travelling worthless scum Obamaniac statists.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:17 pm 51. Gordon Stands:

I for one have reached the point where I no longer care as to what the root cause might be. Be it Al Qaeda and their airplanes, or savages in Richmond. All I see is that we currently lack the will (as a society) to do what must be done in order to preserve civilization. I have a feeling that this sentiment may slowly be changing. The current elected ruling class seems to be unaware that they too are playing a big part in speeding up the awakening and active engagement of a civilized society.

To quote ee cummings, civilized man is beginning to say, “There is some sh*t I will not eat.” All bets are off after that.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:43 pm 52. Rick:

If I may, I think the point Tom is trying to make but won’t is the fact that the victim was white and all the perps were either mexican or black. Personally, I feel that if the ethnicities were reversed and the victim was black or mexican and all the perps were white then we’d have a different level of reporting and outrage by the media. It infuriates me when the media does this. They are afraid to report the actual story for what it is, unless the whites are the bad guys because it’s OK to demonize them.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:44 pm 53. Gringo:

46. glenn:
BTW I suspect that these young mens fathers, wherever they are, wouldn’t make very good role models. Further we go into human behavior and the reasons for crime the larger heredity looms as a reason.

IMHO, many of these gang bangers came from fatherless homes. Had there been a father in the household, they would have been under better control and less likely to participate in such an atrocity. In the last 40-50 years the illegitimacy rate for blacks has gone from about 25% to around 70%. That wasn’t the result of genetics.

Nov 3, 2009 - 12:57 pm 54. How is forcing the innocent to pay rent for the guilty justice?:

“Well, the music and video games certainly contribute to the violence. Good parenting can overcome the music and video games (although I control what is played in my house very carefully). However basic psychology demonstrates that when a person is exposed to violence and profanity day after day after day – receiving no balancing feedback from parents or peers, they will accept the message that the music and games send.

A bit of history WRT video games. During the Civil War, people cleaning up the battle fields noted that there were numerous rifles found with multiple rounds loaded, and never fired. The soldiers simply couldn’t pull the trigger on another human being. This situation continued up until the Vietnam War, when military training started an active conditioning program for soldiers. This includes the use of human-profile paper targets, as opposed to bulls-eye targets; pop-up targets; and simulated fire against human opponents. The same training is used for police. The most critical thing to overcome is the initial reaction. If you can train a soldier to fire at a human-shaped target that he knows isn’t human, then he/she is more liable to fire at an actual human reflexively before realizing that the target is human.

Essentially, the current generation of violent video games are military-grade training/conditioning systems. They train players to commit the most obscene acts and even crimes without consequence. What many people fail to remember is that play, especially among children, is a rehearsal for real-life. As people play, so will they act in the real-world. If a young man is inclined to violence anyways – and most are – and has played Grand Theft Auto for several years, he will be more likely to accept real auto theft as an acceptable act. It’s not a certainty, very few things involving humans are, but it raises the likelyhood considerably.”

I’m glad you chose to at least throw a qualifier in the beginning of this asinine heap of words. The idea that music or video games are the cause of these sorts of violent crimes is absurd. Ignoring the fact that brutal violence occurred prior to gangsta rap and video games, and still occurs today in areas of the world without access to these types of media, how do you explain the fact that millions to tens of millions of people(many of whom are impressionable teenagers)indulge in these media and yet never go out and perpetrate the acts being “forced” upon their fragile minds?

Most human beings are capable of violence if the circumstances are right, they evolved to be, people who were unwilling to adapt to a merciless environment became rotting corpses on the savannah. Part of parenting is raising your children to have a sense of morality that is strong enough that they won’t turn around and start shaking people down(or worse) as soon as they are out of supervision and think they can get away with it, and many parents in America aren’t doing this-they simply don’t care to get off their lazy asses and parent. Compounding the problem is a justice system which has created “punishments” that oft-times are a step up for the people being “punished”, cable TV and 3 square meals a day are luxuries that many criminals don’t have on the outside.

Sad that only one person so far has been astute enough to realize that blaming symptoms doesn’t make much sense, or even to recognize that they are symptoms. Violent media isn’t the cause of atrocities like the Richmond rape, it is simply businessmen taking advantage of a market of people who live by rules that reward evil and punish good.

Nov 3, 2009 - 1:16 pm 55. How is forcing the innocent to pay rent for the guilty justice?:

“This has everything to due with a complete lack of fear. They do not fear punishment they do not fear death from an armed victim they do not fear neighbors or anything.”

Good point. Ms. Catalano’s argument seems like the bullsh*t that used to be pop “wisdom”, about how bullies were really just kids with poor self esteem lashing out. Then some psychologists bothered to do some actual research(you know, that science stuff), and found that the “common wisdom” was completely off-base, that most bullies actually had excessively high self esteem on personality profiles.

Part of the problem is that people want to lash out and make baseless assertions founded on no evidence, because they sound good. It’s always the movies, or the music, or the video games. Maybe it has something to do with these “kids”(I refuse to think of a monster that could perpetrate something like this as a child, regardless of their chronological age)having very little adult supervision from their parent/s, and little to no consequences for their crimes. I would not be in the least bit surprised if some of these kids have rap sheets a mile long(not that we’ll ever know, have to protect minors from the consequences of their crimes by erasing the records-somehow I’m guessing that those laws were drafted prior to the emergence of 13 year olds with patterns of violence), and almost no punishments. It’s hardly an uncommon occurrence for a thug to have to get to their 4th or 5th crime before receiving anything harsher than probation, and then society at large wonders why something like this happens.

Nov 3, 2009 - 1:32 pm 56. myth buster:

46 and 53. You’re both right. The fathers of these young men would likely not make good role models, not because they would do such things as their sons are doing, but because they aren’t around. Children need the love of a mother and the discipline of a father. Those lacking one or both may overcome their disadvantage, but it is considerably harder.

Nov 3, 2009 - 1:39 pm 57. robotech master:

To 54. How is forcing the innocent to pay rent for the guilty justice?

I think most sane ppl understand that the whole “violent TV, video games, etc” is a complete joke argument thats even weaker then global cooling/warming/etc argument.

I have taken the time to do real research into the debate and found that their is no debate at all. All the “studies” that argue that video games/etc are the cause are based on opinions and grossly skewed models that never hold up in the real world.

The simple fact is that its a culture issue. The idea that video games/TV/etc “spreads” these “violent” ideas is only when the culture already agrees with the ideas to begin with. Thus even without these said “influences” the results would be exactly the same.

Nov 3, 2009 - 1:48 pm 58. robotech masterr:

Also heres a link to a graph that the “we blame everything on violent video games hate”.

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/04/gaming-real-vio/

Its not science… but neither is the other side of the coin. The whole argument of the “violent video game/etc” is based on propaganda to start with.

Nov 3, 2009 - 1:54 pm 59. Increase Mather:

#52 Rick:
Yes…if the races were reversed this would be a major national story…with the Rev. Al and Jesse stomping around and the Democrat-media complex demanding answers.

Because this was some poor white girl caught in the wrong place at the wrong time…she’s just a statistic. Shamful…but that’s how our national media culture works.

Nov 3, 2009 - 1:57 pm 60. wayne:

#54 MOST of the multiple loads on Civil War rifles were NOT due to people who wouldn’t shoot. There were a few. Mostly they happened due to faulty firing caps on the muzzle loading guns or that the soldier forgot to install the firing cap.

During Civil War battles,soldiers generally fired in a volley where the entire line soldiers fired simultaneously. After that it became a chaos of constant shooting with an individual soldier surrounded by lines of people shooting all around him. Very quickly a person would be defended by the din of firing and the pounding of artillery and their senses dulled by all the things happening around them.

Often they didn’t even notice that their guns had misfired and loaded them to fire again and again without even realizing they hadn’t fired for 5 or 6 shots after which the gun was so seriously jammed that it was a real problem to unjam it and often (assuming he was still able to fight) a soldier who found he’d jammed his gun picked up another one from one of the dead around him and continued fighting with it.

With the advent of repeating rifles this problem generally went away as a misfired round either stopped the gun from reloading or it ejected the faulty round and reloaded a good one. A repeating gun jam is a lot more obvious due the visible effects of a jam (lever won’t move, bullet hanging out of the port of the gun, etc.).

Nov 3, 2009 - 2:18 pm 61. sule:

#49 “The media has had a complete “blackout” of race in this issue. He is arguing that its because the victim is white and the attackers weren’t.”

I knew the victim was white when the media would’nt cover her story, other than to say “victim” and then this article mentioning her “conflict resoulution” activities at school.

Yep, another white victim.

Taxes enable this behaviour. Allowing predators and parasites not to work, but rather produce more of this sort, and those who pay for it must understand, be sensitive, be supportive, give money, time, food, don’t judge, don’t discriminate, don’t stereotype, don’t don’t don’t

just keep paying for it all.

And…keep your mouth shut, you nasty ol’ bigot or else…ACLU, ACORN, assorted Human Rights committees, Al and Jesse and all the rest of their ilk are quite vigilant in keeping taxpayers in their place.

I thought electing Barry would solve all this…

Nov 3, 2009 - 2:28 pm 62. digitalis:

Oh – let me guess the ethnic make-up of the “disadvantaged” youths.. oh yeah – and brace myself for the tired old worn out attacks of racist! coming from the usual gargoyles on this site. How many are here legally by the way?

Nov 3, 2009 - 2:45 pm 63. jane:

#61 It’s too soon to say if race was a factor here until more facts come to light. The perpetrators were not all minority. One of those charged – a 15 year old boy – is white. He came up to the victim as she was walking from the dance and persuaded her to come with him to the dark alley behind the school where the “youths” were drinking.

Nov 3, 2009 - 2:52 pm 64. robotech master:

To 63. jane

I have heard as well that one of the attackers was white… however is he white or just not fully “hispanic”.

Since the media has basically refused to cover the story I’m going to wager that he’s not fully “hispanic” and thus they are trying to get argue “balanced” racial attack blah blah blah.

We likely won’t find out for a long time… but since theirs already a well known pattern on this issue I think we should stick to what the well known and documented pattern says…

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:26 pm 65. homero:

2. How is forcing the innocent to pay rent for the guilty justice?:

Ms. Catalano, there are millions of poor people in this country who nonetheless manage to refrain from senseless violence – the blame here lies with the perpetrators, and to a lesser extent, their parents.

One of the sickest aspects of these incidents which are far too common is that the taxpayers of California will be burdened with paying tens of thousands of dollars per year to house these monsters for decades to come, unless other monsters already on the inside of their cozy taxpayer-funded housing decide to dispense the justice that our bleeding heart courts are unwilling to.

This incident, along with the gang murder in Chicago recently, and the incredibly disturbing Christian/Newsom double murder in Tennessee a couple years ago, bring to my mind the passage in Heinlein’s Starship Troopers about “juvenile delinquents”, particularly since the people who condoned this action through their own inaction in raising their children, or watching and taking pictures will likely face no consequences. I saw a recent article about this violence on NPR, and the featured picture was of the relatives of one of the accused crying(yes, you read that right, the accused), the slant of much of the media in this country is sickening.

AGREED …government at all levels has been trying to take responsiblity away from parents. well they have succeeded.

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:45 pm 66. jane:

robotech:

SF Chron mentioned that he was white. Does not have a hispanic name. Apparently his sister has been interviewed, and appears to be a non-hispanic caucasian. He is also the only one charged (according to news) who attended Richmond High. I fear for this kid’s safety – white trash guys in or out of prison are going to deal with him harshly, especially if it turns out he was luring her into a pre-planned thing.

Nov 3, 2009 - 3:54 pm 67. Mari:

2 1/2 hours?!? How long could it possibly take the police to get there? And 20 scum standing around watching. I am so glad I don’t live in CA. I cannot image 20 people in small town standing around watching that kind of thing. They’d wade right in and beat on some raping jerks. Gotta love farmers & cowboys.

Nov 3, 2009 - 4:09 pm 68. glenn:

My point being if the father(s) was/were around they would probably be exactly the roll models that would encourage their sons to behave like animals. If you had ever dealt with any of these folks you’ld know it’s become multi generational. Like Grandpa, like father, like son. And nobody in the political establishment has any real interest in doing anything about it ’cause “I’m All Right, Jack” and doing something might get you called a racist.

Nov 3, 2009 - 4:45 pm 69. Tresco:

This story is probably going nowhere. It does not fit the narative. Nothing to see here folks, keep moving. It should be the start of a social movement the likes we have not seen in living memory.

Nov 3, 2009 - 4:49 pm 70. Duane Phinney:

They are insulted being called animals? They are far worse then animals. They have no self respect or Honor.

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:25 pm 71. wGraves:

So what are we supposed to do? Oh most of these guys will all get caught. I’m not going to detail why, because I don’t want to help the scum, but most of them are toast. I’ve served on two juries hearing evidence of this crime, and believe me, you don’t want to have it proven that you’ve behaved in this fashion.

When my boys were in High School, they had been enrolled in karate classes for ten years, and were both second degree black belts. My daughter is on that path as well. It’s part of their education: no exceptions! You can’t totally prevent this happening, but you can prepare, you can be sure that the kids have the tools to resist, and we can all make sure the same trash never get to do it twice!

Nov 3, 2009 - 6:27 pm 72. rbell:

This kind of savagery is not found in the any poverty stricken area of the world. In such areas kids lucky enough to go to school would not even contemplate such a crime. Stop blaming poverty and race. Start looking at a permissive society that likes to find excuses for even the most heinous crime. Let us rethink the culture as a whole, the filth coming out of Hollywood and an educational system that is nothing more than a holding tank for future felons. The total dehumanizing of people through a media that finds humor in foul mouth language, worships celebrities and praises aberrant behavior. Real men could deal with those punks in a manner fitting the crime. However they would be jailed in a nano-second for handing out real justice. Instead we have to feed the beast, the system of lawyers, judges and social workers who make money off of such crimes. For them business is good.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:22 pm 73. Larsen E. Whipsnade:

66. jane: “white trash guys in or out of prison are going to deal with him harshly, especially if it turns out he was luring her into a pre-planned thing.”

Prison will be a real & frightful punishment. You won’t want to read about it afterward. Other than cannibals, there is nothing lower than sex criminals in prison. These guys are dead meat.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:43 pm 74. J in StL:

Catalano wrote, “There’s a lot of blame to go around, but blame is not going to change the situation.”

Oh, pu’lease. The whole article was spent blaming everybody except the perps. Classic liberal justice system: If everyone’s to blame, no one’s to blame…so sue the deepest pockets. Sympathy for the poor gang rapists, really only guilty of being victims of society. Untold riches for the lawyers.

Want to stop unsociable behavior? Public hangings. Does wonders for getting people to focus on the errors of their ways. People always talk about the Wild, Wild West. But in the Wild West, people didn’t lock their doors and you could leave horses and property tied up to a hitch’n post and nobody would bother it. Infamous criminals like Jesse James weren’t legendary because they were so evil. They were legendary because they were so rare.

Nov 3, 2009 - 7:59 pm 75. RHS ALUMNI:

No the school shouldn’t be Shut down why? The people involved in the rape where students of Richmond High who had gone there but where kicked out for Behavior Problems why do they drink there than? because most of them are skaters and they love skating there thus being there at RHS at that time that’s just there skate/hang out spot 2 of those students that do go there Cody Ray Smith and Ari Abdallah Morales where just with the wrong people Marcelles James Peter lives in Pinole I don’t think he Attends Richmond High Jose Carlos Montano We still don’t know if he Attends or Attended Richmond High and Elvis Josue Torrentes Either dropped out or is a Alumni of RHS so the only 2 Students who at that time Attended RHS are Cody and Ari

Nov 3, 2009 - 8:09 pm 76. RHS Alumni:

1. Manuel Ortega, Richmond/19/RHS Drop Out

2. Cody Ray Smith, San Pablo/15/RHS Student

3. Marcelles James Peter, Pinole/17/RHS Student

4. Ari Abdallah Morales, San Pablo/16/Continuation School

5. Saul Rodriguez, Richmond/21(RELEASED)/????

6. Jose Carlos Montano, San Pablo/18/????

7. Elvis Josue Torrentes, San Pablo/21/????

Nov 3, 2009 - 9:51 pm 77. Anonymous:

‘It’s partly the fault of poverty and partly the fault of parents who have lost control of their kids and their own lives. It’s a school district that didn’t provide its students with the security and safety precautions necessary given the circumstances’. Oh no its not Michele those are just EXCUSES not reasons kits the attitude of the PEOPLE that is to blame and this unfortunately is a not exclusively but a predominantly BLACK problem. To make EXCUSES for such animalistic behaviour does nothing to eliminate it it just gives stupid Liberals a chance to wring their hands and blame EVERYONE but themselves.

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:10 pm 78. Pragmatist:

‘It’s partly the fault of poverty and partly the fault of parents who have lost control of their kids and their own lives. It’s a school district that didn’t provide its students with the security and safety precautions necessary given the circumstances’. Oh no its not Michele those are just EXCUSES not reasons kits the attitude of the PEOPLE that is to blame and this unfortunately is a not exclusively but a predominantly BLACK problem. To make EXCUSES for such animalistic behaviour does nothing to eliminate it it just gives stupid Liberals a chance to wring their hands and blame EVERYONE but themselves.

Nov 3, 2009 - 10:10 pm 79. Fai Mao:

A similar incident, not quite as horrific but close happened in Hong Kong a few months ago. The girl was gang rapped in the office of a fast Food outlet while the rapist friends recorded the incident on cellphone cameras. They then put the vise on You-Tube.

All of the participants were Chinese.

How did race factor into that?

Evil exist in all societies, even in safe cities like Hong Kong that have low crime rates.

Posters above are right. The ones to blame for this are the males who did the raping. They should be publicly executed.

But then what do I know. I left the US years ago

Nov 3, 2009 - 11:06 pm 80. RHS Alumni:

EDIT

1. Manuel Ortega, Richmond/19/RHS Drop Out
2. Cody Ray Smith, San Pablo/15/RHS Student
3. Marcelles James Peter, Pinole/17/RHS Student
4. Ari Abdallah Morales, San Pablo/16/Continuation School
5. Saul Rodriguez, Richmond/21/Never Attended High School
6. Jose Carlos Montano, San Pablo/18/Not Found in Yearbooks 03-07
7. Elvis Josue Torrentes, San Pablo/21/Not Found in Yearbooks 04-07

Nov 3, 2009 - 11:46 pm 81. pelaut:

It’s not racist to observe that MOST of the violent crime anywhere in the US is committed by people who like RAP, etc., on people of the same cut.
It IS racist to acuse anyone of pointing that out as racist.

Nov 4, 2009 - 5:09 am 82. BettyBlue:

What kind of school allows students who got kicked because of behavior problems to come back to “skate/hang out” and get drunk?

Not a real good one. Shut the place down.

Nov 4, 2009 - 6:37 am 83. t for talk:

The liberal money hogs in the entertainment media cranks out this filth and the empty headed, dope smoking
kids suck it up and imitate it in their lives. Parents? What parents? They are either doped up too or clueless and
careless. ACLU and their ilk kick God and respect out of everywhere and glorify vulgar behavior and oh my! why does this violence happen? DUH!

Nov 4, 2009 - 2:09 pm 84. robotech master:

To 80. RHS Alumni

I think we are all simply SHOCKED by the fact that it seems they were either all hispanic or all but 1 was hispanic…. no one saw that coming.

Nov 4, 2009 - 2:22 pm 85. Meryl:

Who’s to blame? Mmmmmmmmm….trick question, I bet…..lemme think lemmme think…..Oh! Got it!

I think the guys who raped the girl are to blame.

But what do I know.

How can anyone still wonder why this country is going down the toilet?

Nov 4, 2009 - 6:48 pm 86. paul_unalaska:

Wow. This incident, occurring in California of course, has me recollect of the book, ‘Kampus’ by James Gunn.

It’d been written in the 70’s in regards to learning institutions, in this book taking place in a university, where it speaks of ‘current events’ if the student radicals had actually ‘won’. This has been reality for California for generations..

Very much like the 70’s original ‘Rollerball’ movie whereas corporations ‘of the future’ own everything, and attempts to own that of a man’s soul.

‘I am not a number, I am a free man’! – The Prisoner

Nov 5, 2009 - 6:13 am 87. Federale:

Obviously the problem is allowing potential criminals to immigrate to the U.S. The U.S. should be more selective about who we let in. Just because someone has a spouse, sibling or child here does not mean that they should be allowed in. We should also be actively deporting illegals and their children.

And, by the way, we should not fund race mongering groups that encourage a grievance and dependancy culture.

Nov 5, 2009 - 12:20 pm 88. Aubri:

“partly the fault of poverty” ? Are you kidding me? This kind of bunk I’d expect to read on CNN or the HuffPost blogs, but here ? Pathetic.

Nov 6, 2009 - 3:53 am 89. Paul -Indiana:

Who’s to blame? The people who did the deed.

Nov 6, 2009 - 5:28 am 90. Thaddeus Buttmunch:

she got drunk flashed her tah tahs at the young bulls hiked up her skirt and said “Behold the greatest t*ts in the Western World!”

and their testosterone went to their brains.

Nov 6, 2009 - 9:52 pm 91. kochevnik:

Likely they found out that 30 GOP senators legalized gangrape and the GOP advocates torture. So these kids were just trying to accommodate repub family values. Public schools should encourage to keep us safe from the terrorists.

Nov 7, 2009 - 7:43 am 92. Jim Duncan:

These thugs are a joke. They look hard, but get their ass kicked when they’re not in their rat packs. Most of these little weasels don’t weigh more than 130 pounds soaking wet! Lets put em’ out on the battle fields in Iraq or Afghanistan and see how they measure up!

Nov 8, 2009 - 11:05 am 93. Jinx:

It’s amazing how all these comments have a phrase on ‘Black people’ in them. As the community is 70% Hispanic, please don’t lump all of the minorities into one group.
Who’s the Blame? The school administrators, the school security, parents to a lesser degree, and EVERY ONE who saw this attack and said nothing.
This is American culture-the individualist mindset-all about ME and no sense of a community-no thought that this girl could be your sister, your mother. Sickening and selfish. I am a lawyer, and I know there MUST be some law that can put the onlookers in jail.

Nov 8, 2009 - 11:53 am 94. Renate:

This is just a display of the ignorance we allow. There are plenty of laws in place to deal with these incidents, but we as a people allow our judges, representatives, senators and other politicians to cloud the water with agendas. The law is the law…stop making excuses for animals who think they can do anything they want, deal with them and keep them off the streets.

Nov 9, 2009 - 12:43 pm 95. stephen:

You people are so racist. The rapists were not black (except for one).

Nov 10, 2009 - 8:44 pm 96. Lissa:

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR SOCIETY!!!! Whether a girl was”asking for it” by being in the wrong crowed or was a perfect angel, NO ONE DESERVES TO BE GANG RAPPED!!! (By the way, how dare any one say she was asking for it!!!) No matter of race, creed or sex, NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPPED!!! Being 15 and 16, these “children” have the biological make up to already understand what is right or wrong. Yes, their brains are not fully developed until about 22 or 23, BUT RAPE IS CLEARLY WRONG!!! These boys need to be charged as adults! Who cares if they were hispanic, black or white or not?!!?! Do not give them a get out of jail free card because of their race!!! We do not need these rapists in our society, no more than we need to shoot our selves in the leg!!! Rapists make me agree with the death penalty…For all those who watched, “Do unto others as you would have do unto you…” One day, when you are dying and screaming in agony, let all others just stand there and watch. Our society need to STOP popularizing a rape frame of mind, and severely criminalizing it!! Young people having sex and doing drugs with parents who could care less, schools that teach nothing, and society who makes those kids look COOL. Again I say, WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH OUR SOCIETY!!! I feel almost scared to let my kids and the next generation out of the house.

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