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		<title>By: Eugene Shubert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene Shubert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 18:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#42. The theory of devolution (a creationist theory) is both a tweak and a refinement of standard evolutionary theory and makes many falsifiable predictions. 

For example, the possibility of chimpanzees and gorillas taking over the planet and enslaving humans is consistent with the modern evolutionary synthesis. That evolutionary scenario, with its obvious dependence on the evolutionists&#039; mindset, was the basis for all the planet of the ape movies. But anything like those events would falsify the theory of devolution.

All laughter aside, the simplest way to falsify the theory of devolution, if it were possible, is to find mutants of Escherichia coli that are unquestionably healthier than their ancestral strains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#42. The theory of devolution (a creationist theory) is both a tweak and a refinement of standard evolutionary theory and makes many falsifiable predictions. </p>
<p>For example, the possibility of chimpanzees and gorillas taking over the planet and enslaving humans is consistent with the modern evolutionary synthesis. That evolutionary scenario, with its obvious dependence on the evolutionists&#8217; mindset, was the basis for all the planet of the ape movies. But anything like those events would falsify the theory of devolution.</p>
<p>All laughter aside, the simplest way to falsify the theory of devolution, if it were possible, is to find mutants of Escherichia coli that are unquestionably healthier than their ancestral strains.</p>
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		<title>By: manbooks</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-scientific-embrace-of-atheism/comment-page-3/#comment-268057</link>
		<dc:creator>manbooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Evolution is a fact: adaptation within a species (micro-evolution) based on environmental causes can easily be demonstrated by the scientific evidence. What most certainly is NOT a fact is that evolution could POSSIBLY explain the origen of life. There is NO evidence for cross species evolution (macro-evolution). As Dr. Berlinski points out, there are simply too many steps needed to turn, say, a bird into a cat. There are no intermediary species. In fact, the fossil record shows that most of life came to be within a very short period of time (Cambrian explosion). 

As far as faith is concerned, is it really believing something for which there are no facts? Only a fool would do this. Science can not answer the question of the existence or nature of a Divine Being, but it can and does point to the most reasonable explanation for the origen of species: Intellegent Design.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Evolution is a fact: adaptation within a species (micro-evolution) based on environmental causes can easily be demonstrated by the scientific evidence. What most certainly is NOT a fact is that evolution could POSSIBLY explain the origen of life. There is NO evidence for cross species evolution (macro-evolution). As Dr. Berlinski points out, there are simply too many steps needed to turn, say, a bird into a cat. There are no intermediary species. In fact, the fossil record shows that most of life came to be within a very short period of time (Cambrian explosion). </p>
<p>As far as faith is concerned, is it really believing something for which there are no facts? Only a fool would do this. Science can not answer the question of the existence or nature of a Divine Being, but it can and does point to the most reasonable explanation for the origen of species: Intellegent Design.</p>
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		<title>By: brizzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>brizzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it truly sad that people refuse to see the amazing inhuman intricacies of creation. I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Almighty God is the ultimate designer &amp; creator of this world. Because we humans can only use a fraction of our brain and because we exist in this very strict environment of time, we cannot possibly comprehend the concept of no beginning and no end. How can we possibly fathom a space where God always was, is and will be? Or the micro-quantum mechanics God used to create life.

How can we definitively know there is a God? He has written it in his creation. This world is so intricately put together and so much depends on the most miniscule of parts, that&#039;s how we can know for sure. It is incredible to me that anyone could be so arrogant as to leave God out of creation. But I understand that to admit there might be a God is to put a person in subjegation to the laws dictated by that God. Boy, those two most important commands are really horrible aren&#039;t they? To love God and to love your neighbor be they friend or foe. Better to argue there is no God and to try and discredit him with the science He created.

I will continue to live my life as if there is a God and be relieved to find out there isn&#039;t one, than to live my life as if there isn&#039;t a God to find out in horror that there is.

In my mind, science proves there is a God with a magnificient creativity and love.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it truly sad that people refuse to see the amazing inhuman intricacies of creation. I believe without a shadow of a doubt that Almighty God is the ultimate designer &amp; creator of this world. Because we humans can only use a fraction of our brain and because we exist in this very strict environment of time, we cannot possibly comprehend the concept of no beginning and no end. How can we possibly fathom a space where God always was, is and will be? Or the micro-quantum mechanics God used to create life.</p>
<p>How can we definitively know there is a God? He has written it in his creation. This world is so intricately put together and so much depends on the most miniscule of parts, that&#8217;s how we can know for sure. It is incredible to me that anyone could be so arrogant as to leave God out of creation. But I understand that to admit there might be a God is to put a person in subjegation to the laws dictated by that God. Boy, those two most important commands are really horrible aren&#8217;t they? To love God and to love your neighbor be they friend or foe. Better to argue there is no God and to try and discredit him with the science He created.</p>
<p>I will continue to live my life as if there is a God and be relieved to find out there isn&#8217;t one, than to live my life as if there isn&#8217;t a God to find out in horror that there is.</p>
<p>In my mind, science proves there is a God with a magnificient creativity and love.</p>
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		<title>By: jrodmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jrodmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are so many of the atheists so angry?  They have no answers, no solutions (since their are none), their theory leads to nihilism and a realm of hate so unattractive that it makes me wonder why scientism would appear attractive to anyone.  Highly-evolved, superior taste buds, no doubt.
Dawkins, Dennet, Harris; these people write and talk like they have cornered the market on arrogance and overly verbose irritability.  Funny, how long would any of these supergeniuses last in a completely Darwinian world?  As Dawkins intimates, he obviously would be one of the easier targets for a facist regime to deal with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are so many of the atheists so angry?  They have no answers, no solutions (since their are none), their theory leads to nihilism and a realm of hate so unattractive that it makes me wonder why scientism would appear attractive to anyone.  Highly-evolved, superior taste buds, no doubt.<br />
Dawkins, Dennet, Harris; these people write and talk like they have cornered the market on arrogance and overly verbose irritability.  Funny, how long would any of these supergeniuses last in a completely Darwinian world?  As Dawkins intimates, he obviously would be one of the easier targets for a facist regime to deal with.</p>
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		<title>By: The wedge undermines Christianity &#171; Open Parachute</title>
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		<dc:creator>The wedge undermines Christianity &#171; Open Parachute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] during a recent TV interview that “science leads to killing people.” David Berlinski in The Scientific Embrace of Atheism also attacks science in a manner John Derbyshire shows to be ridiculous (see Getting It Wrong about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] during a recent TV interview that “science leads to killing people.” David Berlinski in The Scientific Embrace of Atheism also attacks science in a manner John Derbyshire shows to be ridiculous (see Getting It Wrong about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Goodson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Goodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is not surprising that many evolutionary scientist embrace atheism and the evolutionary position since both positions are without merit as can be seen &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not surprising that many evolutionary scientist embrace atheism and the evolutionary position since both positions are without merit as can be seen <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: blah blah</title>
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		<dc:creator>blah blah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ID is FAR better position them mystical pre-Socratic ideas led to Darwinism. period. 
 You can talk all day long... about statistics, math (as it disqualifies religing... :D ) by the way did you notice Dembski and Berlinski have degrees in math. hmmm... maybe you should read more before posting spam.

It&#039;s annoying reading kids&#039; posts online. read guys... read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ID is FAR better position them mystical pre-Socratic ideas led to Darwinism. period.<br />
 You can talk all day long&#8230; about statistics, math (as it disqualifies religing&#8230; <img src='http://pajamasmedia.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  ) by the way did you notice Dembski and Berlinski have degrees in math. hmmm&#8230; maybe you should read more before posting spam.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s annoying reading kids&#8217; posts online. read guys&#8230; read.</p>
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		<title>By: Driving the wedge into Christianity &#171; Open Parachute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Driving the wedge into Christianity &#171; Open Parachute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 12:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] during a recent TV interview that &#8220;science leads to killing people.&#8221; David Berlinski in The Scientific Embrace of Atheism also attacks science in a manner John Derbyshire shows to be ridiculous (see Getting It Wrong about [...]</description>
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		<title>By: griefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>griefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;how can it be irrational to suspect an intelligent source of so much complex information?&quot;

the complexity argument is a multiple loozer, Sharon.
Go back to Oral Roberts and take a course in probability and statistics.
If they even offer it there.

/giggles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;how can it be irrational to suspect an intelligent source of so much complex information?&#8221;</p>
<p>the complexity argument is a multiple loozer, Sharon.<br />
Go back to Oral Roberts and take a course in probability and statistics.<br />
If they even offer it there.</p>
<p>/giggles</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 22:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, you wrote: &quot; .. . if any ID adherent can tell us how God/ the Designer must have done it is science, I would like to hear it.&quot;

I take the following paragraphs from Nancy Pearcey&#039;s book &quot;Total Truth&quot; (2005),pp.181-2:

&quot;Critics say that the concept of design does not belong in science. They argue that it is a &#039;science stopper&#039; that puts an end to scientific investigation . . . . But that accusation is based on a misunderstanding. The process of detecting design is thoroughly empirical. In fact, it is already an important element in several areas of science. Back in 1967, I was startled to read a newspaper article announcing that astronomers may have discovered radio messages coming from outer space. They dubbed the signals &#039;LGM&#039; to signify &#039;Little Green men.&#039; Later, however, they realized that the radio impulses were coming in a regular, recurring pattern like the flashing of a lighthouse, not an irregular pattern like the sequence of letters in a message. what they had discovered were not aliens but pulsars--rotating stars.

&quot;Today astronomers involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) have worked out extensive criteria for recognizing when a radio signal is an encoded message and when it is just a natural phenomenon, like a pulsar. In other words, they have developed criteria for distinguishing between products of design and products of natural causes.&quot;

&quot;The same distinction is made in several other fields:

-Detectives are trained to distinguish murder (design) from death by natural causes.
-Archaeologists have criteria for distinguishing when a stone has the distinctive chip marks of a primitive tool (design), and when its shape is simply the result of weathering and erosion.
-Insurance companies have steps for deciding whether a fire was a case of arson (design) or just an accident.
-Cryptologists have worked out procedures to determine whether a set of symbols is a secret message (design) or merely a random sequence.&quot;

Pearcey later sets forth the most recent and powerful evidence that living systems were designed: the DNA code, which is made up of chemically arbitrary sequences of 4 chemical &quot;letters&quot; (amino acids). She allows Richard Dawkins to explain the significance of this, &quot;What has happened is that genetics has become a branch of information technology. The  genetic code is truly digital,in exactly the same sense as computer codes. This is not some vague analogy, it is the literal truth.&quot; (Richard Dawkins, &quot;Why Prince Charles is So Wrong&quot;, Checkbiotech.org, January 28, 2003 at http://www.checkbiotech.org.)

Clearly, just as a design implies a designer, a book (or computer code)implies an author. Given that any one cell in our bodies contains more information than &quot;the entire 30 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica&quot; (Total Truth, p. 196), how can it be irrational to suspect an intelligent source of so much complex information?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, you wrote: &#8221; .. . if any ID adherent can tell us how God/ the Designer must have done it is science, I would like to hear it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take the following paragraphs from Nancy Pearcey&#8217;s book &#8220;Total Truth&#8221; (2005),pp.181-2:</p>
<p>&#8220;Critics say that the concept of design does not belong in science. They argue that it is a &#8217;science stopper&#8217; that puts an end to scientific investigation . . . . But that accusation is based on a misunderstanding. The process of detecting design is thoroughly empirical. In fact, it is already an important element in several areas of science. Back in 1967, I was startled to read a newspaper article announcing that astronomers may have discovered radio messages coming from outer space. They dubbed the signals &#8216;LGM&#8217; to signify &#8216;Little Green men.&#8217; Later, however, they realized that the radio impulses were coming in a regular, recurring pattern like the flashing of a lighthouse, not an irregular pattern like the sequence of letters in a message. what they had discovered were not aliens but pulsars&#8211;rotating stars.</p>
<p>&#8220;Today astronomers involved in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) have worked out extensive criteria for recognizing when a radio signal is an encoded message and when it is just a natural phenomenon, like a pulsar. In other words, they have developed criteria for distinguishing between products of design and products of natural causes.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The same distinction is made in several other fields:</p>
<p>-Detectives are trained to distinguish murder (design) from death by natural causes.<br />
-Archaeologists have criteria for distinguishing when a stone has the distinctive chip marks of a primitive tool (design), and when its shape is simply the result of weathering and erosion.<br />
-Insurance companies have steps for deciding whether a fire was a case of arson (design) or just an accident.<br />
-Cryptologists have worked out procedures to determine whether a set of symbols is a secret message (design) or merely a random sequence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pearcey later sets forth the most recent and powerful evidence that living systems were designed: the DNA code, which is made up of chemically arbitrary sequences of 4 chemical &#8220;letters&#8221; (amino acids). She allows Richard Dawkins to explain the significance of this, &#8220;What has happened is that genetics has become a branch of information technology. The  genetic code is truly digital,in exactly the same sense as computer codes. This is not some vague analogy, it is the literal truth.&#8221; (Richard Dawkins, &#8220;Why Prince Charles is So Wrong&#8221;, Checkbiotech.org, January 28, 2003 at <a href="http://www.checkbiotech.org.)" rel="nofollow">http://www.checkbiotech.org.)</a></p>
<p>Clearly, just as a design implies a designer, a book (or computer code)implies an author. Given that any one cell in our bodies contains more information than &#8220;the entire 30 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica&#8221; (Total Truth, p. 196), how can it be irrational to suspect an intelligent source of so much complex information?</p>
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