Comments on: The Superior Moral Position on Torture http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:49:25 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jesus Gonzalez http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-276070 Jesus Gonzalez Sat, 06 Jun 2009 09:20:39 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-276070 Why the beep are you guys arguing about this? The line is drawn by whoever is in power and based on their ideology, not reason nor logic. Both sides are hypocritical so those charges redundant. The administration doesn't care what Fred Thompson thinks, nor Fred's pet, er, I mean "friend" thinks, and certainly not what the the niche of loser internet forum jockeys think. I have no illusions about that. I also think if it'd boost the traffic here and get the writer a car, he/she would probably argue for the opposite view. The sarcasm is great, though, I mean I never see that used to belittle people. Tres original. Bottom line: Don't argue and let's all search for porn. This is the internet people, you can find better stuff to jerk off to. That's males AND FEMALES, don't bring your sexism labels around here. Spreading the gospel, your friend, "pathetic internet forum" Jesus. It's Hay-zeus. Why the beep are you guys arguing about this? The line is drawn by whoever is in power and based on their ideology, not reason nor logic. Both sides are hypocritical so those charges redundant. The administration doesn’t care what Fred Thompson thinks, nor Fred’s pet, er, I mean “friend” thinks, and certainly not what the the niche of loser internet forum jockeys think. I have no illusions about that. I also think if it’d boost the traffic here and get the writer a car, he/she would probably argue for the opposite view. The sarcasm is great, though, I mean I never see that used to belittle people. Tres original.

Bottom line: Don’t argue and let’s all search for porn. This is the internet people, you can find better stuff to jerk off to. That’s males AND FEMALES, don’t bring your sexism labels around here.

Spreading the gospel, your friend, “pathetic internet forum” Jesus. It’s Hay-zeus.

]]> By: adagioforstrings http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-255373 adagioforstrings Wed, 06 May 2009 19:47:59 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-255373 re: Mike T:<em> "The United States has also prosecuted people as torturers for waterboarding."</em> No, it hasn't. You are being completely disingenuous. First, he Japanese version of water boarding entailed <a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/200904240035" rel="nofollow"> actually drowning</a> its victims, not simulating drowning. Second, the Japanese were prosecuted for a litany of actual torture, such has putting lit cigarettes out on their victims & pulling finger nails out. The mention of water torture was only mentioned as supporting evidence. re: Mike T: “The United States has also prosecuted people as torturers for waterboarding.”

No, it hasn’t. You are being completely disingenuous. First, he Japanese version of water boarding entailed actually drowning its victims, not simulating drowning. Second, the Japanese were prosecuted for a litany of actual torture, such has putting lit cigarettes out on their victims & pulling finger nails out. The mention of water torture was only mentioned as supporting evidence.

]]> By: shaui-jan http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-255211 shaui-jan Wed, 06 May 2009 15:22:22 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-255211 different thread,same arguement that goes nowhere.we are still taking prisoners,we cannot just shoot them on the spot.no gitmo means rendering.rendering means the combatants are horribly abused with no redcross,no over sight,no docters(except to keep them from dying so they can be brutilized some more)obama hasn't stopped renderng and he will not stop it.why?because he knows we need the intel to prevent further attacks.obl's number two man was tortured and radicalized in an eqyption prison long before 9/11.we have been bankrolling people to do our dirty work for well over fifty years.and please don't tell me clinton started rendition,i know that.but our client states have been torturing people on our behalf for a long time.gitmo was the most humane thing we could have done considering the cicumstances.closing it was just a bone thrown to the squimish and uninformed to let them feel morally superior.we will now be responseable for way more brutality so you can feel better about yourselves.congratulations.now please go educate yourselves on the history of our nations envolvement in th middle east before you come in here screaming war crime!or...wwjd?or is torture ok in your eyes a long as other people do it for you.it's kinda like eating meat and calling hunters inhumane. different thread,same arguement that goes nowhere.we are still taking prisoners,we cannot just shoot them on the spot.no gitmo means rendering.rendering means the combatants are horribly abused with no redcross,no over sight,no docters(except to keep them from dying so they can be brutilized some more)obama hasn’t stopped renderng and he will not stop it.why?because he knows we need the intel to prevent further attacks.obl’s number two man was tortured and radicalized in an eqyption prison long before 9/11.we have been bankrolling people to do our dirty work for well over fifty years.and please don’t tell me clinton started rendition,i know that.but our client states have been torturing people on our behalf for a long time.gitmo was the most humane thing we could have done considering the cicumstances.closing it was just a bone thrown to the squimish and uninformed to let them feel morally superior.we will now be responseable for way more brutality so you can feel better about yourselves.congratulations.now please go educate yourselves on the history of our nations envolvement in th middle east before you come in here screaming war crime!or…wwjd?or is torture ok in your eyes a long as other people do it for you.it’s kinda like eating meat and calling hunters inhumane.

]]> By: Stephen http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-254957 Stephen Wed, 06 May 2009 03:33:50 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-254957 Ideological Skeptic asks: "How does this – the waterboarding– differ from what we did in Guantanimo?"(sic) Good question. Do you know the answer? Ideological Skeptic asks: “How does this – the waterboarding– differ from what we did in Guantanimo?”(sic)

Good question. Do you know the answer?

]]> By: Dave Surls http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-254238 Dave Surls Tue, 05 May 2009 01:56:18 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-254238 Frank, that was a great piece of satire. You captured the cluelessness (and the moral depravity) of the Kumbaya-singing Left perfectly. Frank, that was a great piece of satire.

You captured the cluelessness (and the moral depravity) of the Kumbaya-singing Left perfectly.

]]> By: macko http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-254193 macko Tue, 05 May 2009 00:35:52 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-254193 Haltman: no link Haltman:

no link

]]> By: macko http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-254191 macko Tue, 05 May 2009 00:34:38 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-254191 Ideological sceptic: I see you missed my point. Harsh and harsher techniques have been used to extract information that could very easily be shown to have made your very existence possible or just plain kept you or your loved ones out of harms way. For you to come out and be critical of how information that saved your sorry ass was aquired is to difficult for me to understand. Especially when it is after the fact. Do you resent it? is that it? Perhaps you should live somewhere that doesn't offer the protection that America does. Maybe just a little while so you can open your eyes and mind to the real world. It gets pretty ugly out there and people are literally dying to get in to the US. Hell if your rant on this forum was against any number of countries you would be lucky if all they did was pour water up your nose. So maybe you should just shut up and be grateful. Ideological sceptic:

I see you missed my point.

Harsh and harsher techniques have been used to extract information that could very easily be shown to have made your very existence possible or just plain kept you or your loved ones out of harms way. For you to come out and be critical of how information that saved your sorry ass was aquired is to difficult for me to understand. Especially when it is after the fact. Do you resent it? is that it? Perhaps you should live somewhere that doesn’t offer the protection that America does. Maybe just a little while so you can open your eyes and mind to the real world. It gets pretty ugly out there and people are literally dying to get in to the US. Hell if your rant on this forum was against any number of countries you would be lucky if all they did was pour water up your nose.

So maybe you should just shut up and be grateful.

]]> By: Paul -Indiana http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-253671 Paul -Indiana Mon, 04 May 2009 12:04:23 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-253671 Re #147. You are making a false moral equivalence between the innocent and the terrorist. No score. Re #147. You are making a false moral equivalence between the innocent and the terrorist. No score.

]]> By: Swo - Houston http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-253562 Swo - Houston Mon, 04 May 2009 03:20:01 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-253562 And I'm not even a Christian, although I certainly respect their viewpoint. And I’m not even a Christian, although I certainly respect their viewpoint.

]]> By: Swo - Houston http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-superior-moral-position-on-torture/comment-page-4/#comment-253561 Swo - Houston Mon, 04 May 2009 03:18:34 +0000 http://pajamasmedia.com/?p=54718#comment-253561 A lot of comments about Christians and Jesus. Well when Jesus happened onto the scene, God the Father didn't just disappear. He still doing a lot of smiting in this world. Even if a lot of it is smiting by omission. Trying to play the Jesus wouldn't torture really doesn't mean much, because GTF is quite capable of sactioning it. A lot of comments about Christians and Jesus. Well when Jesus happened onto the scene, God the Father didn’t just disappear. He still doing a lot of smiting in this world. Even if a lot of it is smiting by omission. Trying to play the Jesus wouldn’t torture really doesn’t mean much, because GTF is quite capable of sactioning it.

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