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1. Magic:

Paul Klugman impresses only himself. His thought processes have no logic and is often based on archaic theory or ones that he creates to fit the scenerio that he desires. Very little of his discussions and lectures are based on fact or truth only basis is his dreams and fantasies. He has no creditability outside the New York Times building, no college or university would support his nonsense that appears in the daily tantrums that he writes. A standard joke in the economic community is when his limited brain will seep out his ears or if the infection is an STD or not.

Apr 15, 2009 - 11:56 am 2. jimpres:

Krugman does not get it. It has to do with spending more then you have and borrowing from China, Japan etc. and no way to pay them back. They will own us. you can not spend your way out of debt or I would have done it by now. You have to borrow to pay off debt then you have what “DEBT” An economist he is not. We need to stop and repeal the massive spending. If a company can’t make it it fails.
You can put any label on the perpatraters but it can’t be done not matter what you call them. But loosing our liberties is real.

Apr 15, 2009 - 12:04 pm 3. Pat J:

I take issue with the whole idea of this being some sort of “grassroots” protest. When I hear about such people as Dick Armey, Steve Forbes, Newt Gingrich and others throwing their financial support behind these demonstrations, I worry. Look closely at such entities as FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity and you see people who are not behind the average working class individual.

Seems to me like it’s the protesters who are getting “teabagged” by GOP Corporate interests.

Apr 15, 2009 - 12:07 pm 4. Wampeter of my Karass:

Somebody has to say it. Krugman is a douchebag.

Apr 15, 2009 - 12:40 pm 5. George in SA:

It’s probably a good thing to have those of the ilk of “Pat J” worried. It may be that some of those evil “GOP Corporate interests” are probably supporting protest of the spending madness that has caused our Congress to plunge our nation ever more deeply into debt. Not sure what an average “working class” individual is – sounds like a term from the Soviet Union – but I am protesting the taxation of our children and their children to fund this spending binge. We should all rise up and convince our elected officials this is a fool’s path.

Apr 15, 2009 - 12:41 pm 6. MarkD:

Pat J parrots the party line.

There are plenty of people who want to hop aboard the movement, but the anger is real and it is directed at both political parties. What part of “quit wasting money and putting me, my children, and grandchildren into debt” is hard to understand?

The Republicans went in on a promise of fiscal sanity. We had twelve years until they had to be removed. The Democrats are worse, with deficits projected to be triple those of the spendthrift Bush.

Politicians are about power and reelection. You can’t excuse what we have now by saying the other guy is as bad or worse. It needs to end, and end now. That is what this is about. The people are saying “game over.”

Apr 15, 2009 - 12:46 pm 7. Tim:

Pat J. are you serious?!? So that fact that all of the anti-war/anti-Bush protests were all “grass-roots protests” sponsored by Move-On, Code Pink, and other soros funded orgs does not bother you?? This is what scumbag politicians do. They exploit peoples anger and fear. Just look at what Obama said about the economy before he got elected. Now of course he has to try to quell the fear he created and it’s not working real well. I am really sorry if this offends you, but what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Apr 15, 2009 - 1:03 pm 8. The Shadow:

Just what we need is a fitness expert to tell us that Krugman is wrong. all this name ccalling is a poor substitute for political analysis. but when you have no real sustance to your agruments this is what you have to resort to

Apr 15, 2009 - 1:10 pm 9. Pat J:

Yeah Tim. I’m serious in my opinion this is not a “grass roots” movement. The teabaggers are being used by a bunch of GOP lobbyists. The event is promoted by a news organization that has very low journalistic standards and has these same GOP lobbyists actively campaigning on its network. And I’m sure most of these teabaggers probably make less than $250,000 a year. If so, they received a tax cut just last month!

But this is the same crowd who thinks Obama is a Socialist/Marxist/non-US-citizen so it’s rather difficult to take this protest seriously. Where were they the last 8 years when BushCo was ruining this country?

And I was one of those who protested the Iraq War before it started and long before I ever heard of Move-on, Code Pink or George Soros.

Apr 15, 2009 - 1:36 pm 10. just passing through:

3. Pat J: said

“I take issue…”

He’s been dropping the exact comment into every thread on the Tea Party protests. Nonsensical BS that some HuffPo or KosKiddie proclaimed and already debunked.

Pat J is a believer in repeat a lie long enough and loud enough and it’s accepted. Because in Pat J’s world, that substitutes for thinking. In Pat J’s world, political realities are the lies his handlers proclaim ad nauseum and he and his fellow travellers swallow whole.

Cluebat Pat, the genesis of the movement is well known and documented. Army et al are not responsible for the movement because they agree AFTER the fact with it aims. You have cause and effect backwards, which is always a problem with the KosKiddie types..

The story about Army et al being behind the Tea Party movement was debunked. Only the johnnie come lately trolls are still pushing that one. Get with the program. Call in and get new talking points.

Apr 15, 2009 - 1:52 pm 11. Anonymous:

“Lovers of facts and evidence will recall that Obama has also committed trillions of taxpayer dollars to bailing out private industry, taken massive government stakes in those industries, complained about subsequent private industry decision-making (thus declaring his intent to apply government influence on their operations), enacted confiscatory government taxes to effectively annul lawful employment contracts…”

Lovers of facts would point out the inaccuracies in the above statement.

Apr 15, 2009 - 2:15 pm 12. Jezreel:

PTA: “Lovers of facts and evidence will recall that Obama has also committed trillions of taxpayer dollars to bailing out private industry, taken massive government stakes in those industries, complained about subsequent private industry decision-making (thus declaring his intent to apply government influence on their operations), enacted confiscatory government taxes to effectively annul lawful employment contracts…”

Lovers of facts and evidence would point out the gross inaccuracies in the above statements.

Apr 15, 2009 - 2:17 pm 13. GClarke:

Remember one thing. The ethics of leftists are weak. They believe the ends they seek are good, so the collateral fall out of the means they use is irrelevant. What this means is that . . . Krugman is lying and he knows he’s lying. No one is this stupid. But he believes the fictions he is spouting are necessary to defeat a phenomenom that he finds troubling. Now he can think of no other way to defeat it than slander.

These people are unconscionable and should be shunned out of polite society.

Apr 15, 2009 - 2:48 pm 14. loopdog:

Krugman is such a puke. How does someones head get so far up their arse?

Apr 15, 2009 - 3:01 pm 15. Lynn B.:

It doesn’t really matter what Krugman says. Most Tea Party people hate both Donkey and Elephant. It’s government as a whole that has gotten to them. We are tired of all the arrogant, greedy, self centered, deceptive, politicians who don’t listen to the people, that goes for the courts as well. We’re just disgusted and fed up. We have the right to say so.

Apr 15, 2009 - 3:11 pm 16. Political Observer:

Mr. Krugman at one time was an economist and one that other economist had to take seriously. However over time Mr. Krugman has become nothing more that an ideological party hack – using his past laurels to shield him from his current failures. It is somewhat like watching Johnny Unitas playing that last season when he knew well before he started that the game had passed him by.

If Krugman truly applied his economic fundamentals what he would have taken away from the tea party movement is that people are not just concerned about the current levels of taxation at all levels of government (Yes Paul people do understand that there is more that is taken from their paychecks than just what Uncle Sam demands) but what the future holds for tax levels to eventually pay for all of this reckless spending today. The people understand that there is no free lunch. The do understand that someone will ultimately have to pay this bill – either in higher taxes or higher inflation or both. The people are using fundamental economic thinking and are drawing rational conclusions. They know ultimately that not just the rich will be on the hook. This wasteful spending (and I am not just talking about earmarks) will not improve the economy, it will not better our lives and it will not be free.

Paul Krugman can sneer all he wants but the people are demonstrating a far greater grasp of the economic impacts of what is going on at all levels of government that he can ever hope to understand.

Apr 15, 2009 - 3:14 pm 17. Roger Paul:

What a mental midget. He really is stuck on himself. What a gas bag.
By-the-way. Thanks for the extra $10 per week Mr. President! I think I’ll go buy a……… Wait I’m still thinking….. NO, Wait, still thinking…..

Apr 15, 2009 - 4:14 pm 18. Benson:

What Krugman demonstrates is a hubris that is founded in the confidence that the MSM prpoganda machine, does control what is left of the vast majority of the collective American “mind”.

In this he may not be as vulnerable as asserted. Only time will tell if “America” is willing to depart from American idol, South Park, and Jon Stewart, and embrace the principles of discourse which dominated the founders of our nation.

Most people cannot even follow the logic of John Galt, much less act on its implications. That is the great anxiety of our situation.

Apr 15, 2009 - 4:41 pm 19. Tristan Yates:

Are you aware that the Krugman is a Nobel prize winning economist? If he says that every dollar that the government borrows and spends will be magically multiplied and create vast amounts of wealth for the country, then it must truly be so. We dare not question even his most idle of musings lest we invite his wrath and suffer 1000 years of economic depression. Instead let us rejoice that the we live in an age in which intellectual giants like the Krugman walk among mere mortals like us and can show us the path to both prosperity and equality.

Apr 15, 2009 - 5:16 pm 20. CarolT:

Pat J,

Wow you are so darn ethical. I am sure that you never knew or took direction from the left proganda group. Of course not, Mr. Pure at heart. You are just so peace loving and so innocent. Wow I really like you, you awesome human being. How is the view up there from that high horse?

Apr 15, 2009 - 5:22 pm 21. The UnPatriot:

Mark D has it pretty much correct. The Republicans are bad – the Democrats are worse.

–The UnPatriot

Apr 15, 2009 - 5:23 pm 22. The UnPatriot:

11. Anonymous:

The UnPatriot is a lover of facts. Please be so kind as to provide some.

–The UnPatriot

Apr 15, 2009 - 5:25 pm 23. Donna V.:

Ah, I see that Pat J. has cut and pasted his little comment about the tea parties in yet another thread. Jeez, you’d think it was some dazzling piece of brilliant Wildean wit that Pat had to make sure we all heard, instead of a dreary lie that he picked up on some lefty blog. He’s like a mouse dropping little bits of poo all over the place.

Apr 15, 2009 - 6:08 pm 24. donttreadonme:

Remember, fellow patriots, that Krugman has the twin marks of irrational stupidity: 1) he is an avowed Keynesian and 2) he won a Nobel prize in Economics. He may as well have been hit square in the head with a ballpin hammer. Being a Keynesian is the equivalent of being the Black Knight getting his arm lopped off by King Arthur and swearing that “its only a flesh wound!”

Apr 15, 2009 - 6:15 pm 25. k a 0 s:

Obviously, the New York Times misprinted.

Krugman did not write that op-ed. That piece is clearly the work of Maureen Dowd…

Apr 15, 2009 - 6:29 pm 26. Tri Geek:

Okay, so let me get this straight–If you think it is a bad thing to borrow massive amounts of money when you are deeply in-debt, you must be a moron. More proof that the Nobel prize is purely for lefty political hacks. How about that crazy CNN reporter shouting down the tea bag protesters in Chicago. Wow- totally unbiased reporting!! She claimed it was all an anti-CNN movement. Unbelievable. She also blamed “that right-wing FOX News” for the entire protest. What a bunch of narcissists!

Apr 15, 2009 - 8:35 pm 27. Eric:

Pat J.

Does the origin of the Tea Parties affect the reality that our government, at all levels, borrow, spends, and taxes too much? For some inexplicable reason Liberals seem to believe the US Treasury is bottomless and that they can spend any amount they want on any thing they want. They are attempting to purchase, with taxpayer dollars and obligations to repay borrowed money, permanent political power. It is simply unsustainable. What is their solution to the limitations on how high they can raise income taxes? Cap & Trade. That is the elephant in the tax room. This monstrosity will consume our economy and drive countless businesses out of the country wreaking extreme havoc on the economy. Liberals, including Krugman, seem to not know how an economy functions. IMO Krugman uses his credentials to advance his Liberal agenda even though his education ought to tell him his agenda cannot be supported by basic economics.

Apr 15, 2009 - 8:44 pm 28. elvis:

Right on Donna V!!!

I’m posting this AGAIN because I was actually at a small town tea party.. and we rocked the town center.
no corporate repubs like the dems pay for…
in fact both partys are in trouble..

Politicians SUCK. They all suck. But they suck because of the media.
The media needs a real horse whipping…..first. They are a pathetic casncer.

As far as tolls go… none of your protests have ever had this spontaneous energy or geographical breadth.

You suck like the politicians. You have over reached and invaded our lives.
We are done with your nonsense! What is great about us freedom loving people that hate text book tyranny,is that we have a spine. You want to mess with me or us ??? KEEP IT UP!

Apr 15, 2009 - 8:45 pm 29. elvis:

btw
this is an extremely impressive article.
i’m not sure lefty will be able to process…..
but this one is a keeper..

i wonder when Krugman will enter rehab? For sympathy, kind of like what Brittany does.

Apr 15, 2009 - 8:49 pm 30. elvis:

AND MR.THE SHADOW….
You may consider some fitness for your self… since you don’t have a brain… it may be useful.

Apr 15, 2009 - 8:51 pm 31. John Galt:

Krugman is correct.

Hussein is not a socialist.

Hussein the freedomphile is a communist.

His mother was a communist. His mentor growing up Frank Martin was a communist. His community organizing tactics are based upon the ideas of Saul Alinsky a communist. Hussein the freedomphile is a communist not a socialist.

The Communist Party of America’s platform matches up with Hussein’s objectives.

He will take America as far to the left as the people allow him.

Apr 15, 2009 - 9:29 pm 32. John Galt:

This here is not socialism but tyrannical communism.

======================
Congress Would Give Obama Power to Shut Down Internet

Wednesday, April 15, 2009 1:14 PM

By: Dan Weil

Some experts say the government needs to step into Cyberspace to protect the Internet and its users from security threats.

A bill is working its way through Congress that would give the government final control over fundamental Internet infrastructure.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a San Francisco group advocating maximum freedom on the web, thinks the proposed legislation goes too far.

“The bill as it exists now risks giving the federal government unprecedented power over the Internet without necessarily improving security in the ways that matter most,” the group argues in an editorial on its web site.

“It should be opposed or radically amended.”

The foundation worries that the government will wrest control of the Internet from the private sector. “The bill would create a major shift of power away from users and companies to the federal government,” the piece states.

“This is a potentially dangerous approach that favors the dramatic over the sober response.”

The group is particularly worried about the commander-in-chief becoming commander of the web. It says the bill gives the president “unfettered authority to shut down Internet traffic in an emergency and disconnect critical infrastructure systems on national security grounds.”

Because the bill doesn’t give guidance on exactly when the president can nuke the Net, it goes too far, the group maintains.

Most of the controversy that has emerged over government involvement with the Internet has centered on taxation.

Many web purchases are tax-free, such as music downloads. But bulging state budget deficits are leading states around the country to consider imposing sales taxes on these transactions, CNET reports.

© 2009 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/feds_internet_shutdown/2009/04/15/203305.html

Apr 15, 2009 - 11:04 pm 33. john m e:

ya’ll wrote some good stuff donna….somehow the POO reference say’s” Paul,
when we think of you we are compelled to flush something.”

Apr 16, 2009 - 12:16 am 34. TomF:

We are not worried about the present tax increases, which most Americans don’t have to pay any way because they don’t make enough to be apart of the funding of our government and instead get a “refund”(entitlement). What we are worried about are the future tax increases on us and our children that will be necessary to pay for the massive debt we are incurring. We are also worried about the present and future taxes the job supplying business will have to pay. Most people would rather have a job with which to pay taxes, than to not have a job at all.

Apr 16, 2009 - 1:08 am 35. Surellin:

I remember that the great chess player Bobby Fischer, in the early 1990s, was ranting about politics – the Jews run the world, etc. A commentator said that Fischer was a genius as a chess player but a schmuck as a political theorist. Likewise Mr. Krugman is a genius as an economist but a schmuck as a pundit.

Apr 16, 2009 - 3:55 am 36. The Admiral:

I wish we would have had the Tea Parties back in the 1980s. Maybe we could have prevented this mess.

Apr 16, 2009 - 4:09 am 37. Paul -Indiana:

From #6. The Democrats are worse, with deficits projected to be triple those of the spendthrift Bush..

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Additionally, keep in mind that this ‘tripling’ of Bushe’s deficits is occuring in a few weeks rather than the 8 years that Bush was President.

Apr 16, 2009 - 5:25 am 38. Bud Helms:

Mr Steinberg, I am forever in your debt, for you are responsible for an epiphany which I just experienced reading your essay. This excerpt: “a free market in goods, a free market in trade, and a free market, merit-based standard for our policies, our ideals, and our leaders who win the privilege of representing them” caused a flash of realization on my part. The realization that there is an analogy that can be made amongst the methods and approaches used by those of liberal-socialist bent and that are activist in this country.

To wit: Avoid the vagaries and whims of a free market at all costs. Avoid the concept of free choice in all things public. But the nexus of my epiphany today is the realization that the idea to get political decisions that don’t meet your goals out of the legislature and into the courts is a perfect analogy and logically follows from the idea that a free market (i.e., economic free will) is bad due to it’s chaotic nature.

My understanding of the left is now complete … ubtil I read another grabber of an article by yourself, or maybe Dr Mike Adams or Dr Thomas Sowell.

My compliments on the article. I am a new fan.

Apr 16, 2009 - 6:08 am 39. Don Rhudy:

Krugman’s silly columns and slipshod thinking exemplify something I learned while earning a doctorate: people with doctorates do not think any more rationally than dropouts from elementary school. They use the same irrational thinking that arises from the emotional processes of the human brain. This is true even in much of their “learned’ research, especially when the results of the research do not support their inner (and emotional) beliefs.

Apr 16, 2009 - 6:51 am 40. chrisd:

Nice job Mr. Steinberg. I loved the article and many of the comments were really thoughtful, except patj who must work for the New York times. I wish I could write as well as the author and many of the commentators. Maybe I should have majored in English instead of Engineering. Then I could write about my belief in our country (which I served in Vietnam) and in what it stands for, and my disgust in the leadership of both parties. God help us because neither congress or the savior in the White House will or even wants too.

Apr 16, 2009 - 8:03 am 41. donttreadonme:

Pat J,
So, you take issue with the authenticity of the Tea-Party Movement? Do you also take issue with 2+2=4? Or how about there are sixty seconds in a minute? Which side of the “water is wet” denate are you on?
Now, here’s a cookie..that’s a good boy…run along now..

Apr 16, 2009 - 9:02 am 42. Parker:

For me, the emblematic sign seen at the Tea Party protests was the one with side-by-side pictures of Bush and Obama.

The caption?

“Dumb and Dumber!”

This is NOT a party-based backlash, in my view.

Apr 16, 2009 - 9:19 am 43. seven:

Krugman is just loaded with ideology and empty of common sense and truth.

Apr 16, 2009 - 9:23 am 44. Pastor of Muppets:

This is just another sad and pathetic example of the rank anti-intellectualism of the right. Most of the country’s great minds have fled the Republican party and have inevitably gone over to the left because all rationality and analytical thought has vanished from the right. That’s why the left has Nobel Prize winners and the reactionary right is left with the Joe the Plumber. It’s almost as if the right is trying to corner the market on stupid in an effort to console reactionary right wingers that it’s preferable not to think too hard about issues. The Republicans have become the anti-science, anti-knowledge party, and this article seems to be a celebration of ignorance in the face of reason.

Additionally, Krugman is exactly right, as he usually is. it is an undeniable fact these Tea Parties are organized and promoted by wealthy conservatives like Steve Forbes. There’s absolutely nothing grass roots about them. Additionally, how could a movement possibly be categorized s “grass roots” when it is being co-opted by Fox News? When Fox News started calling them “FNC Tax Day Tea Parties”, it became obvious to anyone with half a brain that the idea that these were “grass roots” was totally bogus. When Neil Cavuto began outright lying about how many people were showing up, it became clear what a fabricated farce the whole thing was.

Finally, it is obvious to anyone who took part in a large protest movement, such as the civil rights protests in the 1960s, that there’s really nothing substantial about the Tea Parties. There’s no real leadership and no real central issue other than hatred of Democrats and hatred of President Obama. It’s basically a hodgepodge of middle-age right-wingers with various reactionary grievences who either took the day off or are retired. These are not the people who will drive a movement forward. The only youth that seemed to be present were young kids who were dragged along as props to hold signs that they didn’t write such as “Please don’t tax my future”.

Compare that to the hundreds of thousands of young, energetic, motivated activists who showed up day after day to protest the Iraq War, and get arrested in the process, and you’ll begin to understand how marginal and ineffectual the Tea Party movement really is.

Apr 16, 2009 - 9:48 am 45. kywrite:

Nobels aren’t what they used to be; after all, Jimmah Carter, Yassir Arafat, and Al Gore all won one for peace. And Editor and Publisher is a huge liberal bastion. I don’t think much of Krugman’s credentials — as he is a major liberal, their award is already suspect. Sort of a affirmative-action thing.

And John Galt, whatever Obama is, the government he is shaping is not communist (big or little C), but rather a weird form of fascism. Hallmarks:

Government control over, not ownership, of business
Push toward a single-party state
Suppression of criticism and opposition to the government

While it is not as nationalistic or as focused on survival-of-the-fittest as the traditional definition of fascism requires, it certainly bears a strong resemblance to what Mussolini was doing. Besides, it may not have reached this point because the people Obama wants at the top are not yet there. He has to destroy the wealth of the current power-holders and put his own in before he can condemn class warfare.

Apr 16, 2009 - 9:53 am 46. Occam's Beard:

Pastor of Muppets, sounds like you’ve got nothing to worry about then.

Apr 16, 2009 - 10:43 am 47. Captain Ramen:

Most people seem to forget how the modern day tea parties got started. It wasn’t Fox News – although their coverage certainly helped move it along. It wasn’t Rick Santelli either.

It was the Binghamton Tea Party, 24th January 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn40ZTHrwG0

Just a dozen ordinary people who are sick and tired of politicians living in a city far away, obsessed with raising revenue and changing people’s behavior.

As for anyone proclaiming the left to be the bastion of intellectual discourse obviously has not been to Zombietime’s hall of shame (caution, NSFW): http://www.zombietime.com/hall_of_shame/

Apr 16, 2009 - 11:04 am 48. shaui-jan:

occams beard…my sediments exactly.i just got my daily dose of sniveling at the kos and what a shocka!the same distortion and b.s. was found in muppet’s post.they are afraid,and that is a good thing.

Apr 16, 2009 - 11:31 am 49. Mo:

“This here is not socialism but tyrannical communism. ”

Same difference.

The FAR left is Tyranny, with Collectivism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Monarchism, Feudalism, Progressivism, ETC all under that umbrella.

The FAR right is ABSOLUTE Anarchy (and not the anti-law leftist anarchists), with no ruler and no leader. The problem with ABSOLUTE Anarchy is that it IMMEDIATELY creates a power vacuum whereupon a Tyrant steps in to take control. The founding fathers knew this, thusly created a government that tried to balance the pull between Anarchy and Tyranny.

The problem is that we have “republicans” who have slowly veered towards the Tyrant side and less towards the free-market/libertarian/anarchist side. The beginning of this was Teddy Roosevelt who was the first progressive elected and was a Republican. Than Woodrow Wilson a Democrat Progressive was elected and continued the work that Teddy started.

Pat J:
“The teabaggers are being used by a bunch of GOP lobbyists.”

I love how the left has to frame EVERY debate with Ad Hominem. IF you had actually gone down there to see there message you would see that they were JUST AS UPSET at Republicans as they were Democrats. The PARTY DOESN’T MATTER YOU DEMOCRAT STOOGE. It’s their principles and ACTIONS that matter.

Apr 16, 2009 - 11:41 am 50. EconDan:

First, the Prize in Economic Sciences in memory of Alfred Nobel that Krugman won is NOT a “Nobel Prize.” It is a seperate award from the Bank of Sweden. It is a legitimate award and Krugman was a deserving winner. Which leads to my next point…

Please stop saying that “Krugman is a brilliant economist, therefore what he says about tax policy, energy policy, etc. is determinative.” Krugman specialized in international trade and finance. My podiatrist might be a brilliant doctor, but I don’t want him performing brain surgery on me. Sure, better him than my plumber, but you get my point.

Apr 16, 2009 - 12:40 pm 51. David Steinberg:

Chrisd:

You putting on the uniform in Vietnam says it better than any writer could.

Apr 16, 2009 - 2:19 pm 52. Eowyn2:

I attended the local TEA party along with about 200 others. There were no screaming lunatics. It was held after work hours so people would not have to take off time from work. The people I talked to were not there to protest “taxes” so much as the spending of those taxes. They were of mixed income and races. FOX news did not attend. Neither did CNN. The local news came, interviewed one or two people and left

I saw no signs pertaining to Obama hatred. Nothing at all about religion. No book burning. Nothing untoward except people tired of paying taxes and watching it disappear in a black hole.

Regarding the new Fed Withholding charts: when do we see the new Fed Income tax rate charts? What good is that extra 20 bucks a month now if I have to pay it all back on 4/15/10?

Apr 16, 2009 - 2:37 pm 53. nosinin:

to #44 Puppet Master: Interesting that Paul Krugman doesn’t agree with Obamas economic (melt down) plan:

4/2/09

And that, in a broad sense, is what’s wrong with TARPish rescue schemes. They try to fix the banks by driving up the price of a whole asset class. Most of those assets are NOT held by the probably insolvent banks. So it’s a diffuse, inefficient way of tackling the problem — a taxpayer subsidy to basically anyone holding toxic waste legacy assets, rather than a direct infusion of funds where needed. Contrast it with what the FDIC does when it moves in: it doesn’t shower money on banks in general, hoping that this will solve the problem; it seizes banks that are in trouble, and recapitalizes them.

To justify the scheme as announced, you have to either assume that the toxic assets are wildly underpriced, or take as a given extreme political and legal constraints preventing you from doing anything close to the right thing.

And about those legal constraints: it’s funny how GM is being treated as a ward of the state, even though it hasn’t formally declared bankruptcy, in a way that AIG — which is 80% government-owned! — is not.

Yet he STILL maintains the party hoo ha! Liberals definitely refuse to be swayed by facts. The tea parties were AMAZING!! Not partisan and NOT funded by taxpayer dollars (unless you consider money spent by the attendees) unlike the ACORN and MoveOn Scam.

Apr 16, 2009 - 2:50 pm 54. peterike:

Pastor of Muppets @44.

It shouldn’t anymore, yet still it amazes me how someone like the Pastor can write a lenghty spiel in which every single word is a piece of received Leftist fantasizing. Wow. How do you even tie your shoes when you’re so detached from reality?

And Pastor, you might want to check on the organizations that were behind your beloved 60s movements, not to mention the anti-Iraq protests. Funded? Organized? Oh not at all!!

What a hopeless tool you are.

Apr 17, 2009 - 10:47 am 55. The Historian:

THE MIND OF A LIBERAL IS MUSH
They cannot grasp simple human nature.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2009/04/liberals-have-no-common-sense.html

Apr 18, 2009 - 6:50 am 56. whyyeseyec:

Hey Shadow #8, does your argument also apply to the Tea Party CNN reporter that called the demonstrators `anti-government, Fox News loving, not-for-family viewing chattle?

Apr 18, 2009 - 12:28 pm 57. ITF:

“The teabaggers are being used by a bunch of GOP lobbyists.”

Sounds like an expert. Been spending a lot of time on your back, have you?

Pastor, you were there for the ’60’s protests? WowCoolMan. Isn’t it coolman how LSD expands the consiousness so you can see the real truth? Steve Forbes is an alien who took over FNC after landing at Area 51. Bankrolled the whole teaparty thing from his Star Chamber. I got my check from him yesterday, delivered personally by Will Smith in a 1962 business suit. The spooky thing is, as you know, Forbes uses his mind-control rays to make Progressives say really stupid things in public. You better tighten that tinfoil before you become more of a racist. Do it for the children. Peace love and cosmic granola. WowCoolMan!

Apr 18, 2009 - 10:38 pm 58. sherlock:

“Mr. Krugman is a genius as an economist but a schmuck as a pundit.”

In the same way that Messrs Carter and Arafat were geniuses at making peace? I can’t be the only one who has noticed that Nobels have become a joke.

Apr 19, 2009 - 7:00 am 59. DavidN:

What everyone here on Pajamas doesn’t seem to understand is that we’ve already pretty much lost the debate. Protests against tax increases and overspent budgets have been characterized as racist, fascist, and extremist, and that’s literally the end of the story. There’s nothing else to be said. Jon Stewart ridicules the protesters because one of them has a poster with Obama wearing a Hitler mustache, and we’re done. The middle 70% of American citizenry who aren’t particularly politically active will stay as far away from us as possible. The teabaggers (sexual innuendo intended by the accusers, of course) are dead in the water, because they dare oppose the President’s plan to save us from economic disaster. Obama’s various threats (against the bankers, for instance–”I’m the one standing between you and the pitchforks”) and distortions of the whole situation will go unreported, and the “stimulus” package will be distributed to various constituents and supporters based on how they voted or contributed, and no one will say a word. When anything goes wrong, the gullible public will be told that it’s George W. Bush’s fault. I don’t even know why we’re discussing this, it’s over, we’ve lost, and perhaps permanently. If we’re lucky there will be other elections, but I wonder if we’ll ever have a Republican president again.

Apr 20, 2009 - 1:02 am

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