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1. Brett_McS:

“…Obama and his administration will be working within the constraints of the constitution…”

as decided by a court soon to be dominated by “living constitution” left wingers. That is, no constraint at all.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:49 am 2. njcommuter:

This isn’t just a danger to America. It’s a danger to the whole world. Remember what the Taliban did in Afghanistan: girls kept out of school, barefoot and pregnant if they were lucky, beaten or stoned to death if they were not. The terrorists will be able to reconstitute their organization and restart training camps (perhaps in Africa, perhaps in Venezuala) and the USA will not be their only target. Without aggressive action in the waters off Somalia and a reinterpretation of international law as it currently exists, piracy will increase. The CIA’s last eight years of risky, painstaking work will likely be undone and we will all rely on the foreign intelligence arm of the NYPD. We may not have the ships we need to respond to natural disasters around the world; we won’t have the advanced weapons we need to take down a nuclear-tipped missile in flight …. You get the idea. Unless Obama turns into something altogether different, his first term could cause over a million deaths over ten years or so.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:21 am 3. Robbins Mitchell:

‘Within the constraints of the Constitution’?….surely you just….Obama has made his contempt for what he calls that ‘fatally flawed’ document well known….why should he respect the limits of something he obviously disrespects?…and if his administration does crash and burn,you can be sure it will be blamed on ‘racism’ or a host of other epithets aimed at us in an attempt to alibi this arrogant clown….John Randolph said it best 2 centuries ago….”He is so brilliant,but so corrupt….he shines and stinks like rotten mackerel by moonlight.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:30 am 4. Daniel Christopher Petterson:

This is exactly the kind of insane old style politics we supporters of Obama are sick of. The kind of rampant fearmongering the auther displays makes me not only sick to mt stomoch but sad for those who listen. njcommuter, Brett_McS and others like them have bought into the cynical future hateing that has enveloped our nation for too long. 10 million deaths? You have lost what mind you started with.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:39 am 5. Daniel Christopher Petterson:

This is exactly the kind of insane old style politics we supporters of Obama are sick of. The kind of rampant fear-mongering the author displays makes me not only sick to mt stomach but sad for those who listen.
njcommuter, Brett_McS and others like them have bought into the cynical future hating that has enveloped our nation for too long. 10 million deaths? You have lost what mind you started with.
We can see though your attempt at a self fulfilling prophecy Mr Chrenkoff and we don’t believe it. We do not see President Obama as our savior or prophet, we are our own saviors. You seem to be the one who wishes to be saved. You seem to be the one in need of a Messiah. Some one to step in and bring things back to the bad old days of dirty republican politics, a world where facts don’t matter and whomever yells the loudest wins. We know there are no easy answers and change will require hard work and commitment over many years but unlike you and your misguided followers we are willing to put the work in necessary to make tomorrow better then it was today.
This is not a day to attempt to shatter the hope for a better future simply for party politics. This is a day to reflect on how far we have come together and to accept that we have so far left to go.
In order for any president, nay, any country to continue down the path of greatness one must never be frightened by The Audacity Of Hope. For it is that hope that drives us to work for the things we want not only for ourselves but for those around us.
I hold only sadness in my heart for you Mr. Chrenkoff that you seem to not only have given up on our great country, but on yourself as well.
And by the way it’s not that “America cannot afford another Nixon experience”; America cannot afford another Bush.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:02 am 6. Herr Morgenholz:

Can we see his birth certificate now?

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:32 am 7. Saltherring:

God has withdrawn his protective hand and a deaf and blinded America has responded by demanding and crowning its first king. His reign will be as King Solomon’s, who was initially hailed by the foolish and expectant masses, then reviled when his kingdom failed to deliver what was promised. And so it is and will continue to be for those who place messianic expectations upon mere mortals, and ever more so when such mortals revel in the glory of the crown, like Solomon….and Barak Hussein Obama.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:36 am 8. BRMueller:

I greatly fear, Mr. Pattersen, that the reality that is going to unfold in the next four years is going to be much more hurtful to your expectations than mine. Enjoy what you’ve won.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:40 am 9. AlexinCT:

And so it begins. The left now gets to sleep in that very bed they made. They have torn down the country to win the election, and now they are trying to pretend like it was all the fault of the other side. I do not doubt that even after president Bush leaves they will continue to blame him for everything. Will the MSM follow their current tactic and after the next natural disaster blame the president? No, I do not mean Bush, but the guy in the WH. I have a feeling that won’t be the case. I also suspect that they will tell us on January 21st that everything is suddenly well thanks to the new president. It will all be bull.

Let’s hope the republicans in Congress get a spine and do to the democrats what they have had done to their side for the last 8 years. They deserve the same they have been dishing out and nothing less. I see the lefty posters are already hard at work trying to convince us all that we should give their guy a chance, but we would be total morons to do so. They would never do so if the roles where reversed. They are still stuck on blaming Bush for everything the democrats have done to us. Things did not go south for us until 2006. The MSM might have done a great job of never pointing that out, but now that they are in charge the left will have a much harder time convincing people the problems are not caused by them.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:42 am 10. David Wynn:

I’ll actually agree with all your main points but the last one.

I don’t think a deification narrative can persist when the disappointments start on day one.

To me, those seem to be mutually exclusive outcomes.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:44 am 11. zzx375:

I mourn a society that invokes “I have a right…” for everything, such that the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of hapiness, becomes diluted and loses what precious meaning it once had.

I mourn for a society who disgard the unborn just as they would the leftovers from last night’s dinner and what will soon follow that line of thinking.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:05 am 12. The Wizard:

Our country is in grave danger. This idiot and his pol pals Pelosi, Reid and Franks, will destroy our economy, our constitution and try their best to erode our freedoms while raising our taxes. The good news is, there probably will not be another Democratic sweep for the next 20 years, that is, if we have a country left. Obama is NOT a patriot, experienced or a man of ethics and morals. I cried last night, a bit out of fear, but more from saddeness for the eroding values of our citizens. Life has become too easy, and we have forgotten what always made this country strong. The vote for Obama was for his “show and tell” not for substance and leadership; that is the greatest issue face America. We will be tested, and in my heart, Obama does not have the conviction or courage to do the right thing. God help us all.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:53 am 13. Steve:

Half of Americans are invested in the stock market. People have lost a lot of their savings. The economy is fragile. If Obama pursues policies that may make the situation worse (eg, regarding energy and taxes), expect the honeymoon to be very short indeed.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:03 am 14. another view:

I won’t gloat or say I told you so. what I will say is what is a Republican? you guys don’t understand a Republican is not a ideal. a Republican is a way of life and not a aspiration.

When you Abortion and faith folks realize your power is as a voter block maybe you will fair better. When you hard working men and women realize the only thing you have in common with republicans is you speak english. When you realize america is not a group of states totaling 10 million people and ignore the other 90 million.

Republicans- evangical, neo-cons, real repubs. your only goal was to beat the dems. You have no vision besides the status quo. the dems knew if there was a fair election it would be a Obama win.

please do not do all you can to undermine the president elect. After all America has clearly spoken. And it wasn’t close. so with this landslide victory and a overwhelming foreign approval. Please give the new electorate a chance to work. Country first!

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:09 am 15. MADRAD:

Wizard, I agree whole heartedly with your post. I am now displaying my flag upside-down (the legal and international sign of distress) to show the danger I believe our country is in. How in the world did my countrymen vote in a marxist, bigoted, baby-killer?!!

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:30 am 16. moi61537:

John Lewis calls it a revolution. I think its more like subversion or the beginning of new Hitler or Chavez.

Poor Israel, the new Caliphate is on its way.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:30 am 17. RichinNYC:

The country has spoken loud and clearly and no one in this country can disagree with what has happened here. History has occurred and I believe we are entering a new era of politics.

I am glad that the back stabbing, negative campaigning is now over.It didn’t work and in fact is why this was such a landslide. The people have had enough of this.

Now lets all unite and support our new president!

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:35 am 18. ~Paules:

It will be a mistake if conservatives replace BDS with a similiar version directed at Obama. Nay! Let us not travel down that road. A loyal opposition must contest on the issues, not on personality. Mr. Chrenkoff is correct; President Obama will be constrained by conditions, mostly economic. His administration is likely to be more reactive than proactive. Once the euphoria dies down, our new president must necessarily attend to the grubby business of actually governing.

The power of government will expand. But then it always does. It would seem an immutable law of nature that what government does best is grow itself. It was true under Bush and will remain so under Obama. Those redistributive dollars we fear in the form of new taxes will be absorbed by bureaucracy before they ever reach the beneficiaries. The days of limited government are now most definitively dead. The people have opted now for positive rights vis-a-vis the negative rights that limit the power of government. It’s the way of the future and naught can be done about it. The body politic has been corrupted by the easy promises that government will now do for them what they formally did for themselves. It would seem that abundance and liberty carry with them the seeds of their own destruction.

Conservatives will warn that gutting the military only invites attack. Mr. Obama seems to prefer talk and negotiation. Our new president will have ample opportunity to demonstrate his superior vision and skills. His approach will likely defer aggression, but not deter it. It’s a lesson the populace will have to relearn. We should take some solace in the fact that America will retain a potent counter-punch even if our military is reduced.

The courts will lurch left. We will have new “rights” bestowed upon us even as our liberties are diminished. A coddled populace demands it. Our feet are set now firmly on the road of decadence. And what will it all prove? Only that humanity has no talent for self-rule and probably never will.

President-elect Obama has won the day. Soaring rhetoric will give way, as it must, to reality. Let him govern without rancor from the right. Judge him fairly on the outcome. If he is wise, he will see eight years in the White House. If foolish, only four. Conservatives must stand now in loyal opposition. It is our role. No more. No less.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:40 am 19. cedarhill:

We have finally become enlightened and can follow our fellow Democrat Americans by having finally put someone in the White House we can all hate equally. I love this coming together that Obama has wrought. Now we can all stand in the manure the world throws at us with our heads held high (but avoid those swords, one can lose ones head if not careful).

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:50 am 20. Fred:

We have sold our democracy to foreign donors. Now that the Dems have control of all three branches of government the next steps are:
1.) Give felons the right to vote.
2.) Grant amnesty to all illegal aliens and give them the right to vote.
3.) Open up the borders and let in as many new democrats as possible.
4.) Silence dissent via the “Fairness Doctrine.”
5.) Pass socialized medicine.
6.)Hand the bill to the tax payer.

My childrens future is not looking good.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:52 am 21. Get A Grip:

Wizard you are so outta touch. the Bush facsism has detroyed our economy and millitry. The constitution has been eroded by the repubs. What are your old values? lazy people? America just got off her porch from sippin mint juleps yesterday.. My american ancestors and family always worked hard. Erodding values? Your values of white priveledge and oppression? I am slamming your for your total ignorance towards the Majority. Yes you are the uninformed minority. But we will help you to take care of your fears and misguided emotions.
The republican party is no more. I will say it again. The republican party is finished. But whose fault is that? maybe yours because you think past policys were good. You are NO patriot.The people voted for change and its you.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:56 am 22. R a Z o R:

Congratulations to Obama and all of his

supporters . The 2012 campaign has begun and I

sure hope that MITT ROMNEY , Mr. Economy ,

decides to run again .
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………….. M I T T * R O M N E Y ………..
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Nov 5, 2008 - 5:57 am 23. the Deets:

Daniel Christopher Petterson,

No matter how you ‘emote’ your dictatorial tone, ‘you people’ (obamabots) will have to learn the painful lessons of effectively defending the policies hussein puts forth. That is a fact. Shouting down opponents aint gonna cut it no mo’, no mo’. The ‘racist’ tag, moreover affirmative action, are defenses gone. White-Liberal-Guilt & yer boy’s ascendancy to POTUS saw to that. Thanks a pant-load you smelly-ass hippies. A Hacky-Sac in every drum-circle.

Our Republic is one of principled ideas, not men. I don’t think this is concept you have a firm grasp of, nor does hussein based upon his duly noted contempt for the Constitution. If these basic lessons in civics are not given due respect, the 2010 congressional races will witness the widest swing right ever. Mark my word. The American public will not ’stomach’ such dismissal of long-held principles.

In addition, since the electorate has been politically raped by the unbelievably eye-opening tactics exploited by the dems in the 2 decades leading up to this election, you can damn sho’ bet, these Alinskyesque tactics will be given a ‘Rovian’ core and buttressed by ideas that actually work. Platitudinous and vacuous words such as hope and change will no longer be effective. The high ground of conversational verbiage will no longer be ceded.

So Cowboy-Up!!! It is abundantly easier attack than it is to defend.

peace….D

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:05 am 24. Lifeofthemind:

The American military will first be withdrawn and then will implode under the pressure of massive cutbacks and the exiting of career professionals. Obama will keep his campaign promises. He gave few specifics but those should be taken seriously. This will be followed by an orgy of violence around the world. Russia will bully, invade and blackmail its way back into power across the old Soviet empire. It started this morning with Medvedev scrapping the INF treaty to move missiles into Kaliningrad. The Baltic nations, Ukraine and the Caucasus are now naked in a jungle. The Chinese will find themselves recalculating the strategic choices Japan made in 1940, Strike North or Strike South? The people of Vietnam and The Philippines have reason to be afraid. The Indians face threats from China and disintegrating Pakistan. The tide of Nihilism from radicalizing Islam will send Indonesia along the path that Pakistan has followed. This will result in bloody carnage as the Chinese move in unconstrained by Western notions of constraint. Australia will be isolated and flickering in the gathering darkness. Africa will be the scene of massacres and disasters on a scale so vast as to strain human comprehension. The global economy, that gave some veneer of hope to those trying to escape from ignorance and subsistence living, will buckle under a wave of protectionism, regulation and asset grabs that are a return to Mercantilism and violence. Closer to home Chavez and the FARC will tear into Columbia like wolves on a horse. After that things will get ugly.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:13 am 25. Anton:

Carter 2.0 ( a.k.a. the reign of O )

My predictions for the coming four years;
1. A deepening of the coming recession due to feckless tax increases and a failure of economic policies driven by redistributionist ideas.
2. Rapid expansion of the Federal government in an attempt to “create” jobs.
3. Retreat and retrenchment in all matters of foreign policy, appeasement of aggressive dictators, fawning on the U.N. for permission to act in self defense
4. Fairness Doctrine
5. Disastrous Supreme Court appointments that rule against the Constitution and in favor of “fairness’, “justice” and “economic equality”, a constant invention of new rights or powers not to be found in the Constitution.
6. A relentless attack on the Second Amendment.
7. National Health Care on a par with the U.K. (do please try not to die whilst waiting in the aisle)
8. Collapse of capital markets due to punitive taxation.
9. Reparations
10. Iran gets the bomb.
11. China gets Taiwan.
12. Korea still has nukes.
13. Lebanon abandoned to Hezbollah.
14. Russia continues to creep back into its old empire, holds Europe hostage via control of energy supply lines.
15. Iraq left to twist in the wind.
16. Afghanistan abandoned.
17. Pakistan falls to the Taliban.
18. Chavez visits the White House and gives O pointers on how to run a “fair election”.
19. O visits Iran.
20. Israel gets nuked or nukes Iran (or Syria) preemptively.
21. Terrorists deploy nuclear assets.
22. New energy initiatives fail to come close to promised levels of output, still no drilling off California’s coast and oil prices skyrocket.
23. Kyoto Treaty signed. US economy suffers while trying to meet carbon caps.
24. U.S. military suffers reduced budgets while forced to act as the U.N.s policeman.
25. Mexican invasion continues unabated. Voting rights given to many of them.
26. Social Security still not fixed (or even patched) retirement age raised to 72.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:39 am 26. RE:

Lifeofthemind

I tend to agree. I feel sad for those who will suffer the consequences of Utopian delusion. Their insistence on denying human nature is a tragedy. Human nature will repeat itself.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:40 am 27. Lifeofthemind:

They are going to keep screaming they have a “Mandate from a Landslide” until people believe it. This was a 4-5% difference with a massive maybe even decisive pad from vote fraud in key locations such as Ohio. So yes the Electoral College count was 364 to 174 but I give the Democrats no license for “change.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:44 am 28. ~Paules:

I am a conservative and a member of the loyal opposition. I see amongst my brethren the first stages of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Of this I will have no part. Good bye, PJM. I will come here no more.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:47 am 29. eric:

The Wizard: “The good news is, there probably will not be another Democratic sweep for the next 20 years…”

Don’t be so sure about this one. If you watched the Obama victory speech last night I hoped you all noticed the starry, doe eyes as the flock looked up at Dear Leader. Truly frightening. This kind of idolatry can only be manifest in a people who have been indoctrinated into the Leftist worldview from preschool to grad school. The have been taught that up is down and down is up. It takes an extremely strong moral mind to avoid being suckered into these sick beliefs. Unfortunately, the have bought into it full-bore and traded a spiritual God for a mortal God. The transformation is nearly complete, according to their plan.

Running against this feverish, cultist, hero-worship will be nearly impossible in the short and long run.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:53 am 30. dan:

i think america is in danger whether or not obama wins, but obama’s victory will give our foreign and domestic enemies the entree or free hand they would not have had under a mccain administration.

the main problem with this is that it will all be conducted under the commentariat’s collective imagination, which conceives the world as a collection of peoples and states who both desire and are able to resolve or manage their hostilities in the way that commentariat believes they ought to be handled.

this is dangerous. the problem with iran isn’t that we haven’t talked to them – the problem with iran is that it is a revolutionary-islamic junta abetted by russian strategic aid and by – in my opinion – the traditional Asiatic quiescence of its population.

but the larger problem is that the commentariat and its democratic allies have for over a generation exchanged a natural appreciation of strategic realities, in which the US is ascendant and a complex network of enemy states try to assert their ancient prerogatives, for a Hegelian fantasy whose only actual real support is that everybody likes refrigerators and electricity grids and DVDs. they forget, for example, that just as Klaus Fuchs gave Stalin the bomb, so Saladin bought his swords from the Franks.

it is this bigger picture which the democrats refuse to understand. part of it, i think, is cynical: many among them appreciate the irresolvable international hostilities, but they know that they can start large diplomatic projects and look like they’re doing something. obama’s campaign clearly demonstrates that politics-as-public relations/marketing has really reached its apotheosis in the early 21st century. just consider: remember all those accusations about GHWBush and the Carlyle Group, therefore war for oil? GHWBush is, objectively, one of America’s greatest public servants over the course of a long life. And yet – nothing about Obama’s associations.

In my opinion, this divestiture of strategic visions is not the good-faith result of perfected theory applied, it is a major component of a very pragmatic, very long-range effort remove this sense of strategic responsibility very slowly but very irrevocably from the American persepctive on the world.

obama himself will contribute, of course, but – nota bene – it is those who come through the open door behind him that will hurt us most.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:57 am 31. Anton:

dan
I agree with you , it’s not just the ones coming through the front door with him as members of the Cabinet, but also all those coming by way of the back door that gained access through huge cash donations via untraceable credit cards.
The private conversations that have been exposed are very different from the public figure of “O”, how many other conversations of a like nature have there been that we know nothing of? And with whom?

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:15 am 32. Saltherring:

You are correct, eric. The devotion of the Godless Obama Youth is startling, and their god has spoken: November 4th will mark the end od America as we have known her.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:18 am 33. momof3:

DH is buying a shotgun today. Obama has not yet begun to see how we here in the middleland cling to our guns and religion. The left can sleep in the bed they’ve made, the sad part is the rest of us are dragged into the slumber party too. As soon as the shine wears off (which I’m guessing is going to involve a large explosion somewhere here in the US) the people will go as anti-Obama as they did anti-Bush. They are really flip sides of the same coin.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:25 am 34. Mary Grabar:

Post #5: “We are our own saviors” says it all.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:25 am 35. Anton:

Looks like the stock market has started voting, down 120.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:27 am 36. Steve P.:

The American people have spoken. Now, please, by all means, continue sitting at your computers whining about how scary Obama is. We prefer that you stay indoors and out of our way as we fix the giant mess that you and your imbecile of a president have created over the last 8 years.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:45 am 37. proud elitist:

Oh, thank the heavens voices like yours have been silenced and repudiated by the election of Barack Obama.

Six points and a significant electoral college victory — Bliss.

Bitter, much? (snickers)
Clinging?

Yeah, he called it, all right.

Are you quakin’ in your boots yet because of the Obama, Reid, Pelosi cabal? Have you applied for passports so you can flee the upcoming godless, socialist nation?

Here’s a thought — take a breather and watch him govern. He will be your president. You can choose to give him your support or keep spewing hate.

I, on the other hand, am profoundly proud to be an American. And very patriotic as I voted and the right man was chosen for our country.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:47 am 38. lgkick:

Guys… guys… take a break! You worked hard during the past year or so defaming Obama, accusing him of whatever sounded ugly to the ignorant masses… and you lost. Now take a break for your own health’s sake. Now you feel what we felt in 2000 and 2004. And no Obama is not the anti-christ. So if you have end-world fantasies, put them aside. Get real! You lost mainly because you declined to get real on how republicans screwed up America in the past 8 years.

We are not naive to think that Obama can fix the world all by himself but ‘We’ can. You remind us that the economy is in bad shape and we have two wars on our hands (I wonder whose fault it is). We know that very well and we are ready to support Obama in his dealings with these issues. You have a choice: either join us and let’s fix the economy and win the real war on terror together… or stay hateful and cynical. And now think carefully for yourself and understand which choice is ‘patriotic’ and which choice is ‘anti-american’.

In my view it is patriotic to support our new president and trust his judgement. Stop insulting him. Stop labeling him. Start trusting him. No matter how much you hate this guy, he is the 44th president of the united states of America. So you better rally behind your commander in chief. Osama and his followers will lover to see America stay divided and see half of Americans reluctant to back their commander in chief for whatever reason they may have.

All I hear from you guys is “nothing will change” and “we can’t”. It’s time to wake up. Can’t you hear that “Yes we can” and “change is coming”.

It’s not the end of the world for your so called ’small town values’. Nobody asks you to put aside your values but the majority of the country doesn’t want you dictate your way of life on the rest of us. Don’t take this victory personally and as I suggested: just take a break. You will feel better in time.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:52 am 39. Steve P.:

Lifeofthemind says: “They are going to keep screaming they have a “Mandate from a Landslide” until people believe it. This was a 4-5% difference with a massive maybe even decisive pad from vote fraud in key locations such as Ohio. So yes the Electoral College count was 364 to 174 but I give the Democrats no license for “change.””

President Bush was re-elected in 2004 with 286 electoral votes, the smallest popular-vote margin since 1976 (excluding the 2000 election) and the lowest electoral vote count for an incumbent president’s re-election since 1916. Nevertheless, many in the media were quick to echo Vice President Dick Cheney’s assertion that “the nation” gave Bush “a mandate.”

So yeah, by your lifeless party’s own example, Obama clearly does have a mandate. And lucky for Obama and the Democratic majority in Congress, your refusal to grant a license for “change” to the Democrats is meaningless. They’ve got the license, they’ve got the mandate, and they’ve got the power. So I hope you’re hungry for a big change burger with a heaping side of hope fries.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:54 am 40. dan:

i agree with the poster who will have no part of a mirror-image Obama Derangement Syndrome. derangement is never good.

and yet, it is well to remember that Obama and all his victory is itself a creature of BDS. there would be no halo – and no need for a halo – without a devil.

in fact, the left’s entire response to the post-9/11 world has been “its all bush’s evil/stupid fault!!!”

its ENTIRE response.

of course, revenge, in this case, would neither be wise nor noble; it probably wouldn’t be prudent, either.

but obama’s victory is to a substantial degree the victory of a delusion – BDS – and *that* should be attacked under Obama as it was under Bush.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:55 am 41. Sydney Weinberg:

We are in for some very difficult years. The continuing and unstoppable collapse of the global financial system and the associated global recession will wreck havoc on all nations. The rise of resource rich despots and totalitarians with an abiding grudge against the success of the West will rain down a furious assault on all peaceful people in an orgy of violence. America will bear the brunt of these two challenges and only America can mitigate their effect and provide the leadership to lay the foundation for a new renaissance of liberty and freedom enabled by technology and our core respect for the dignity of the individual.

I wish President Elect Obama well and stand ready to support him in his efforts to meet these two great challenges. I did not vote for Obama, but my vote for McCain was hardly an endorsement. McCain presented no answers or leadership on the financial sector collapse and really does not have a clue about money – a lifetime living in the Federal government and an heiress wife will do that to you. McCain can and would have met the Totalitarian threat and mitigated its effect keeping the worst losses at bay.

President Elect Obama? Who knows? Given his skimpy resume, his overbearing self-confident demagoguery and the policy tools and leftist philosophical preferences combined with the Democrat Party toolbox – I am not confident.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:07 am 42. a:

I wonder how long until we get a designated internal enemy. When everyone agrees that disappointment is inevitable, and we know that the One hates to be responsible or blamed for anything, the standard messiah schtick is always to designate the enemy that prevents him and the people he leads from achieving due greatness. Hitler with Jews, Stalin with capitalists and saboteurs, smaller messiahs, they all had the enemy, fought bravely for their people and kept adoration intact while the whole country deteriorated.

So, how long until that?

Note that the enemy has to be internal.

And GOP makes such a lovely target. Or would it be greedy capitalist pigs? Disbelievers in the Messiah? So many possibilities…

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:09 am 43. Dee:

First- Obama is not my President. I can not and will not acknowledge a person who lies, cheats and steals to obtain any office.

Second-Monitoring any move by this administration to ignore or change the Constitution is going my first duty as an American.

Third- I find all you folks that are telling me to respect the Office and give the person a break laughable. I am giving him the same break that the media and liberals gave Bush.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:14 am 44. Irish Alex:

Interesting how many comments essentially amount to: “Hate President Bush! Support the President and his noble office!”

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:17 am 45. dan:

“We are not naive to think that Obama can fix the world all by himself but ‘We’ can. You remind us that the economy is in bad shape and we have two wars on our hands (I wonder whose fault it is). We know that very well and we are ready to support Obama in his dealings with these issues.”

That’s good, because the problem with the past 8 years has been your refusal to support Bush well before he took any action.

“In my view it is patriotic to support our new president and trust his judgement. Stop insulting him. Stop labeling him. Start trusting him. No matter how much you hate this guy, he is the 44th president of the united states of America.”

Right, but where has this spirit been for the last 8 years?

“It’s not the end of the world for your so called ’small town values’. Nobody asks you to put aside your values but the majority of the country doesn’t want you dictate your way of life on the rest of us.”

Dictate our way of life? Who’s dictated anything about any way of life to you for the past 8 years?
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There is a problem in this country. People like you writing this post do not seem to apprehend the auto-contradictory character of your statements. Why is this? It is has been self-evident to anyone who did not hate Bush for who he is and what he is supposed to represent that Bush-Hatred, not rational good-faith inquiry, is the main reason for the opinion of people like you, my friend.

Has it never occurred to you that people like me, a registered Independent, who have supported Bush have had to been extremely vigorous in our defense because your attacks have been so pyschotic?

Look around at the major conservative publications this morning. Have you seen any evidence of “I’m moving to Canada!!!”? No – everything is “well, he’s our president, so let’s see what he does – maybe he’ll be great, who knows?”

Do you know why this is? This is because we are loyal to the country and its institutions first and foremost, not to the party and the personality and “the cool.”

Perhaps in the light of your victory you will graciously consider whether there is not some truth in what I say. Much of our future will depend upon it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:20 am 46. jonesy55:

“7. National Health Care on a par with the U.K. (do please try not to die whilst waiting in the aisle)”

Actually British people live longer lives on average than Americans, infant mortality is also lower but don’t let the facts get in the way of a good rant will you.

Not that I would recommend the British NHS model of healthcare, I prefer the social insurance models of continental Europe myself.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:25 am 47. jonesy55:

Never in the field of electoral conquest have so many sour grapes been displayed by so few to so many.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:27 am 48. Die Fledermaus:

The insanity is all yours, Mr. Petterson. Savor your victory, as in relatively short order even such as you will come to realize it’s hollow.

The Obama who exists in the real world, rather than the dreamscape fashioned by his uncritical acolytes, is a bare-knuckle, no-prisoners/no-quarter Chicago politician. He has destroyed long-standing allies for political gain, stood by as his party destroyed his constituents’ lives, taught shake-down tactics to extreme left-wing groups, squandered over $100 million on radical education programs, and never – not a single time – failed to follow the dictates of his Democrat party overlords. Until the Illinois senate leader, Emil Jones, affixed Obama’s name to prominent legislation in his final year as an Illinois state senator, Obama’s legislative record was almost unremarkable – except for the excessive number of times he voted “present” rather than take a position on controversial issues. That final year simultaneously catapulted him into the U.S. senate and angered his Illinois colleagues, who greatly resented having done all of the work to pass legislation and having the credit go to Obama, who had not. But that’s politics the Chicago way. The successful politician learns to “go along to get along,” regardless of principle or ethics. His first year in the U.S. senate, Obama provided tens of millions in earmarks, despite his railing against the practice before and since. This was, coincidentally, the year his wife’s employer received $3 million in earmarks, and her salary tripled. And as he launched his presidential campaign Obama unambiguously demonstrated the elemental characteristic of a Chicago politician: his word means nothing. Absolutely nothing. He declared that non-public campaign funding was a grave threat to American democracy, pledged that he would constrain himself to public funding only, and urged his opponents to take the same pledge. McCain did. Then Obama got wind of how much more private money would be available than public money, so he abandoned his pledge to satisfy political expedience. No one to whom character matters needs to know anything more about a man.

The details of Obama’s formative history, at least those few he has deigned to release, depict a man whose upbringing was decidedly atypical, if only for the sheer number of strident anti-American and race-obsessed figures in it. From his early childhood through his time as an organizer in Chicago, there have been prominent racists, anti-semites, Marxists, terrorists, terrorist-sponsors, felons, and card-carrying communists among Obama’s circle of friends and advisors. Their influence on Obama renders his personality pertinent to political discussion, as it provides the only indication of his likely style of governance. The man has said very little of substance about WHAT he intends to do or HOW he intends to do it. Ninety-nine-percent of his public statements have been boilerplate. The few specifics he has provided have changed over time, both in his speeches and on his web-site. He has also stated his belief that the U.S. Constitution is fundamentally flawed in that it only addresses what the government CANNOT do TO its citizens, rather than what government OUGHT to do FOR its citizens. This constitutional “scholar” seems to have missed the point that the framers left it to the states to reflect the people’s will in those matters (look up “federalist”), and envisioned a federal government whose powers were only a small fraction of the leviathan it has since become. Prior to FDR and LBJ the federal government was limited to “promoting” the general welfare, not providing it. And for a die-hard statist like Obama, the obese, grotesquely inefficient, intrusive government we have is still not enough. It is, in short, impossible to attend to issues without simultaneously attending to Obama’s personality.

Look to your own interests, left-wingers and conservatives-in-name-only (CINOs?). Reality will impinge on your dream-world almost immediately, and won’t be put off by your fervent desires or soaring rhetoric. (That’s the pisser about reality. Maybe Obama’s new and improved Supreme Court will rule against it…) When the actual bill for your lunacy comes due, having clearly seen it coming, the folks on my side will be prepared for it, while you will not. That’s a benefit of not living a fantasy.

You got that for which you voted, and now you’re going to have to live with it.

another view: Latest numbers are 51/47-364/163 for Obama. It’s a clear win, but only a nitwit or blind ideologue would refer to these results as a landslide. Reagan’s 58/41-525/13 victory over Mondale was a landslide. And who gives a **** about foreign approval or the lack of it?

Get a Grip: Get a Spell Checker. Then Get a Clue.

~Paules: Don’t let the door hit your butt as you leave.

RichinNYC: Man, you gotta tell me what you’re smokin.’

proud elitist: Dream-on, pal, because pride will be all you have in a few years. In the meantime stick your gloating where the sun don’t shine.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:28 am 49. Get Real:

Ha Ha Ha Ha. I was right. Conservatives your time is over. Thank you for all the times over the past 12 months I got to laugh when you made serious policy statements about the state of our union. Please whatever you do nominate Palin in 2012 the Daily Show will need the material now that we have a competent President.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:34 am 50. seven:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/04/fbi-asked-questions-on-rezko-land-deal/

Just yesterday we get a little update on Obama’s bribery/kickback scheme. Rezco inserted some kickback into this equation to make it fly. Rezco is now singing to authoprities because he is a convicted felon and wants a light sentence.

“Conner, said bank officials replaced an appraisal review he prepared on the property and FBI agents were investigating in late 2007 whether the Rezko-Obama deal was proper.

“Agents and I talked about payoff, bribe, kickback for a long time, though it took them only a short number of minutes of talking with me while looking at the appraisal to acknowledge what they already seemed to know: The Rezko lot was grossly overvalued,” Mr. Conner told The Washington Times Monday.”

Banker has been fired and is blowing the whistle.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:37 am 51. nlcatter:

hosanna in the highest!

you make me laugh and puke at same time

AQ was not against BUSH we saw them attack a US under Clinton first.

But Bush increased thier power in the world.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:40 am 52. rocketeer:

Herr Morgenholz – ROFL!!! Yeah, we can assume that since none of BO’s records anywhere have been made public, that the amount of secrecy that will surround this man as our leader will be staggering.

Wizard – I cried with you last night. I am a father of two, and I fear for the future not for myself, but for them. I pray that our country can survive four years without a president, but I think that we’re in for some very troubling times.

MADRAD – I’m going to go out today and buy a flag to display on my house. It’s going to remain upside down until the next administration is removed.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:42 am 53. jane:

Is anyone suprised to read the calls for unity, how we all need to get behind Obama, how we shouldn’t get ODS, how we should stop labeling Obama, don’t call him unpatriotic?

Unless I’ve lost my memory aren’t these the some of the same people who have been calling conservatives stupid, evil, blah, blah, blah? Now all of a sudden we’re supposed to join hands around the campfire and sing songs?

There is no reason to support Obama’s judgment any more today than there was yesterday. If he governs as the flaming liberal his past indicates he is – it will be a disaster for the country. If he governs from the center as the conservative talking heads who jumped ship hope he will – the angst & unhappiness of the uber-left will bring me great amusement.

I intend to give President Obama and his administration the same respect and consideration many on the Left gave Pres Bush.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:47 am 54. seguin:

“But Bush increased thier power in the world”

What kind of mental health issue causes this kind of delusion? Seriously? Is it a psychosis? WE HANDED THEM A DEFEAT IN IRAQ!

And now President Opie is probably going to hand the A-stan right back.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:57 am 55. bear:

another view: you ask for what you do not give.

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:57 am 56. McSame:

Hey Jane Bush had a 80% approval rating after 9/11. Many people in the middle and left wanted him to be a better president. He earned his rep with his mismanagement of the country. So don’t give us that bs about bush haters not giving respect to the office, you like most posters on pjm don’t know what you are talking about. 349 EV people I call it a mandate.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:01 am 57. Heather:

Those who pretended that anti-Americanism was all about Bush will be proven wrong

I hope you are right, but I honestly believe continuing anti-Americanism–from within as well as without–will be blamed on George Bush for the next 20-30 years. They’re STILL blaming Reagan for AIDS and homelessness…

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:02 am 58. David Thomson:

What planet am I living on? Why are we not speaking about the possible arrest and imprisonment of Barack Obama? Isn’t it against the law to commit campaign finance fraud?
Obama’s campaign disabled its default software to allow illegal contributions on its website. Someone should be going to jail. How much did Obama know about this scam. More importantly, how could he be ignorant of the ongoing criminal activity?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:03 am 59. bear:

good post Dan. I think that most democrats have lost the ability to think critically, and be respectful (in the same decade). I’ll probably be called a republican now.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:06 am 60. naman:

I’m not too worried about the young people who voted for Obama. I was pretty liberal in my youth too, then I got a real job and had to live in the real world. They’ll get more fiscally conservative in the future.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:08 am 61. Anton:

jonesy55
You may live longer but that is due largely to access to the Continetal medical system, something your government is working hard to put an end to. I don’t see (and haven’t heard of) anybody day-tripping to the U.K. for medical treatment.

Otherwise I stand by my predictions, there is nothing in O’s past with which to argue against them. As a better wordsmith than I put it, “All of his acheivements are in the future”. It is hard to build a metric for predicting future behavior when there is so little substance to work from.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:11 am 62. bear:

OK McSame prove to me you know what you’re talking about.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:12 am 63. The Historian:

IS THIS A GREAT COUNTRY OF WHAT?

The great American experiment continues to move forward, the beacon for Democracy in this troubled world.

http://greensrealworld.blogspot.com/2008/11/is-this-great-country-or-what.html

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:17 am 64. McSame:

YES WE CAN! yes we can laugh at conservatives. It feels good to win please do consider leaving the country if any place would take you

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:21 am 65. Anton:

There are two ways to look at “O”; either he has lived a lie for his entire political life up to June 2008, faking hard-Left behavior just to get to where he would have a crack at a position of power so that he could “rule form the center” or he really is a hard-lefty and he has been lying his butt for the last five months to pull the wool over the sheeple’s eyes.
One or the other, but he doesn’t ring true to me.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:21 am 66. MADRAD:

Die Fledermaus (or the Bat)- Absolutely the best post on the subject I have seen thus far! Keep it up.

rocketeer- Good for you! I think every informed American should do the same!

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:26 am 67. CALIndie:

Fred and Anton – Your list of what may be on the horizon with Obama doesn’t sound so bad if you give it a catchy name… like, say, The New New Deal or The Daily Workers Deal or The New Workers Global Deal or The Global Collective Workers Deal.

You see, just like proud elitist and lgkick are suggesting, the sooner you stop hating and get on the Obama bandwagon the sooner you too can be part of the mandate for change.

I’m not very smart so maybe proud elitist or lgkick can help me with the social ramifications of the popular vote count. If 95% of all white people voted for John McCain regardless of his politics or political experience would that be racist? And if 95% of white people voted for John McCain and he recieved 63 million votes to Barack Obama’s 56 million would that be considered a mandate by white people for change? Lastly, if John McCain spent 700 million dollars to get elected and the MSM spent another 500 million helping him would that be seen as a mandate for change or just an effective marketing campaign by Barack Obama if he had lost?

P.S. Fred and Anton – I’m sure proud elitist is going to remind you of this, but you left off your list of Obama action items; Prosecute George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld et al for war crimes and send them to the abandoned Guantanamo Bay facility after all the oppressed freedom fighters are released. Maybe we could spend a few hundred million on an aggressive marketing campaign and the American people will simply pick up thier pitch forks and torches and take care of GW and his gang, ridding Mr. Obama of this unsavory task. We could call it The New Enemy Combatant Deal!

P.P.S – proud elitist and lgkick, don’t be too quick to judge Mr. Obama if things don’t go well with all the change and stuff. Remember, The New Hamas Deal in the Middle East had a few struggles of it’s own with it’s new found power structure in elected governance. Go easy on him, switching gears from academic revolutionary to head of state may produce a few bumps in the populist, govern from the middle road.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:26 am 68. view from afar:

great points for the lefties Momof3 and Irish Alex…ok, Karl Rove (I think its him) said it best we’ll support Obama when we agree, we’ll try to convince Obama when we think we can, and we’ll fight him tooth and nail if we can’t…
Joeney555-having lived inboth France (continental socialized medicine) and the US system, and guess what people, I have a previous existing condition, my parents had their own business, therefore their own right to pay for our healthcare (which didn’t cover much for me), and my husband has his own business here in France, and the big difference that I see is that my parents had a choice to buy healthcare or not, and my husband doesn’t, as it is a tax…plus when a farmer gets sick many times he doesn’t get a replacement, because there aren’t any replacements, and many times, if they get terminally ill, they also have the priveledge of losing everything they worked to create to continue paying taxes… I know many of the UK citizens here in France like the healthcare better though so I’ll give that to you. However, I will dispute your claim to talk about sour grapes after the crap I have had to put up with hearing about all the evil GWBUSH has represented ever since 2000, I am SO sick of it, as I get it twice, once in English and then re-intensified into anti-American on top of it (especially since I from the midwest, ya know the idiots from small towns who think NYC is well overblown…plus I am accepting of Obama as president and I pretty much totally agree with this author…

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:41 am 69. CALIndie:

McSame – “YES WE CAN! yes we can laugh at conservatives. It feels good to win please do consider leaving the country if any place would take you”

Who’s going to pay the taxes to support all the new government jobs and all the new government YES WE CAN programs if we leave McSame? Ooooooops! Didn’t think about that one did you? That’s O.K., you don’t have to make sense in your delight. In reality, the lack of logic is the “red thread” running through the Obamanation. Why change now?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:42 am 70. Anton:

CALIndie,
I left that off because I know the secret plan! ChimpBusHitler will have them all indicted on 31DEC08 by the Justice Department, he will then give them all Presidential Pardons, thereby blocking any further charges from being made! Then they can all move to the Caymans and live the life of Reilly on their Halliburton money!

BTW that was thought up by Karl Rove, BWAHAHAHA!!!!

P.S. I do like your idea of naming things differently, very Orwellian.

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:49 am 71. view from afar:

Oops long day…reintensified into French as anti-American…
and I forgot to mention when after the 2000elections: the pout that the left put on for two months tearing down the US and crying about how they had their election stolen from them…the French nearly lost their minds on how evil the American system is…sour grapes on right leaning blog site is a little bit logical isn’t it? hello?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:52 am 72. susan:

proud elitist

“Here’s a thought — take a breather and watch him govern. He will be your president. You can choose to give him your support or keep spewing hate.”

I think the best is to mirror what you leftist have done for bush for 8 years and we will be allowed to say anything we want because RACISM is officially over and you moonbats are run out of excuses!!!

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:53 am 73. Anonymous:

“jonesy55
You may live longer but that is due largely to access to the Continetal medical system, something your government is working hard to put an end to. I don’t see (and haven’t heard of) anybody day-tripping to the U.K. for medical treatment.”

Er no, that is not the case at all. 1) very very few people as a % of the total use hospitals on the continent, certainly not enough to afect average life expectancy and b) the government is not trying to stop anybody who does.

and besides, the continental systems are also ’socialised’ medicine so what’s your point?

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:59 am 74. Anton:

proud elitist

I sort of feel like the look-out on the Titanic, I have just spotted the iceberg that we are going to hit, I know the ship can’t be turned away this late in the game but I do feel compelled to shout “Watch Out!”

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:02 am 75. proud elitist:

Well, here’s the thing… I was disappointed by Bush ‘00, but I didn’t automatically declare America doomed. His governing, his administration and the tanking of true American values turned me against him. At least I can say with a clear conscience that Bush EARNED his reputation.

Obama has yet to govern as POTUS.

And, while in CA, I did not support the recall of Gray Davis, I can say that the Gubernator has not been a terrible Gov. for California.

I cannot believe you guys are being all p*ssy because Obama had/has WAY more money than McCain. He fundraised and garnered HUGE amounts of small donors. He revolutionized campaigning and raising money. ((Personally, I think each person should have X amount of dollars, free air time and no 527s to campaign and bring their message to the voters.))

And for those of us who read/watch news, the vote was truly spread amongst those over/under 60 years of age. Over 60 – supported McCain. Under 60 – supported Obama. In a significant spread. So it’s not race (per se), it is generational.

Here’s the best part — I am gloriously happy today, proud of my country and feel very much a patriot and a citizen of change.

You?

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:08 am 76. jane:

Okay – I’ll rein in my OSD and wait for Obama’s first f#ck up. That should be about early spring.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:17 am 77. jane:

oops – unless I’ve got Obama Sickness Disorder I should have typed ODS.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:18 am 78. Lifeofthemind:

Statistics on medical care and life expectancy, literacy etc. are not comparable between the US and EU. For starters there really are two Americas. Call John Edwards quick. One America works and is healthy and educated, while the other is made of (often illegal) immigrants, or drug and alcohol addicted urban unemployables. While the EU is under significant pressure from a growing presence of unassimilable immigrant communities and the legacy of a self destructive yob culture due to the echoes from the class system it is not really suffering yet to the same degree the US is. Over time that will change.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:34 am 79. Anton:

proud elitist,
O has yet to govern anything at all, a total lack of executive expirience aside from a shadowy involvement with the Annenburg Challenge.
He promised to take public funding, he then broke that promise. He certainly has revolutionized how campaigns collect “untraceable” money.
$600 million, that would be about $200.00 from every living citizen in the US, I didn’t give him any so somebody picked up my share, I am also pretty sure that everybody else who voted for McCain didn’t send money either. Kids don’t have money to send so there is another 20 milliion or so non-contributors, then the urban poor have little to send either. That leaves a significant question as to where the cash all came from.
My family comes from a long line of Chicago Democrats and there are two phrases that apply here; a “sent man” and “bought and paid for”.

Without transparency there can be no trust.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:39 am 80. CALIndie:

proud elitist – “I am gloriously happy today, proud of my country and feel very much a patriot and a citizen of change.”

You left out… “For the first time in my adult life.” No matter, we get it, liberal socialism, bigger government, central control, endless beauracracies, mindless government waste, rampant government fraud, gloriously happy entitlements from those who have the ability to those who have the need… yea, we getit. You should be happy and… a proud elitist I might add.

Patriot is another matter, EU compatriot maybe, comrade definitely but patriot, come on, that’s quite a stretch don’t ya think? Don’t overreach in your glee proud elitist. Oops! I’m sorry, I forgot, revisionist history has redefined Patriot to mean whatever a post modern progressive wants it to mean. Carry on comrade!

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:41 am 81. Anton:

Misplaced decimal, $2.00 not $200.00

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:42 am 82. Brother Jonathan:

To Danny Patterson: ten million lives lost is not a joke. About a million of them were my people. Variations on this magnitude of tragedy are the legacy of communism everywhere it’s been tried.
It’s a legal-immigrant-escaping-communism-to-build-a-new-life-in-liberty thing – you wouldn’t understand.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” – Geo. Ssntayana

To Jonsey55: Where did you get your education? Sour grapes would be “I didn’t want McCain to be president, anyway.” Only in a lunatic fringe.

proud elitist: (1) “Watch him govern”? What makes you believe (other than worshipful ignorance) that He can govern? Demonstrated by what? Speeches? (2) My president? Like hell. You elected him; you got him. He is the POTUS, and he has the privileges & responsibilities set in the Constitution. I owe him no obeisance in today’s America – yet. (3) “You can choose to give him your support or keep spewing hate.” So in your world, not supporting the President is hate speech. Nice. Punishable, I suppose? Dreams of BO’s father have become our nightmare of political oppression.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:42 am 83. Dick:

Dude, everybody knows Bin Laden watches MSNBC.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:53 am 84. Anton:

It is my dearest wish that O does such a great job fixing things that in 2012 I will be sending him donations.

I just don’t see that in the cards.

Nov 5, 2008 - 10:57 am 85. tim maguire:

As with some others here, I’m disappointed by much of this comment section. I expect liberals to be sore losers (and, this time, sore winners), but conservatives respect democracy, even in defeat. Don’t forget the “loyal” part of “loyal opposition.”

Oppose the policies as you must, but support the office and the man in it.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:04 am 86. CALIndie:

proud elitist – “I cannot believe you guys are being all p*ssy because Obama had/has WAY more money than McCain.”

You think it’s about the money Mr. proud elitist? How convenient for you. Let’s set the record straight here. It’s not about the money my friend (a little John McCain for ya) it’s about Mr. Obama lying to the American people and to John McCain when he said he would take public financing. Liar, liar pants on fire! It’s about Mr. Obama accepting 250 million in foreign contributions online in small amounts with all, all, did I say ALL security measures turned off for capturing credit card transactions. Cheater, cheater online greeter! It’s about the 500-700 million or more in campaign contributions that Mr. Obama recieved from the liberal socialist media in 98% of TV, radio, print, web etc in the form of free advertising, public relations and marketing. He’s a con, they’re a con everywhere a con con! Its about HOW Mr. Obama got his treasure chest with over 1.2 billion dollars to buy his way in to the White House. It’s not the money, it’s the method. Get it?

Behavior predicts, Mr. proud elitist. Past behavior predicts future behavior…always! Once a liar, cheat and a con, always a liar, cheat and a con. Good luck! Just a side note. Did you know that history shows us that all the useful idiots are the first ones killed or imprisoned in the gulags… uh, excuse me, corrective labor camps? Oh never mind, enjoy your glorious victory. Why should I rain on your parade with stupid little facts like these. As the famous philosopher Winnie the Pooh said… “Oh bother!”

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:04 am 87. Mister Snitch!:

“It didn’t work and in fact is why this was such a landslide.”

Oh, brother. Obama won because he raised millions of (mostly foreign) dollars that were laundered into unaccountable small contributions via the magic of the internet. He outspent his opponent 2 to 1, and more in key areas. This was fortuitously (for him, that is) coupled with an economic crash which he could (falsely but compellingly) blame on Bush.

A jar of olives, given the same advantages, would have won.

I wish him well, but please, keep your garbage re ‘why he won’ to yourself. He didn’t win this election any more virtuously than Chicago’s Mayor Daley does.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:10 am 88. Mister Snitch!:

Wrong of me to depart without commenting on the actual POST, rather than just a fool commenter. I think Mr. Chrenkoff is prescient.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:12 am 89. SAF:

Anton:

You are an optimist.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:15 am 90. Obama thoughts, links and reactions…UPDATED | The Anchoress:

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Nov 5, 2008 - 11:24 am 91. Staring In Disbelief:

First of all to all you Obama backers saying “Let’s all get behind OUR President”. Listen carefully: @#$% you. You spend 8 years trashing Bush for everything natural & man-made and now you want peace & quiet & patience? Are you serious? How old are some of you Obama-posters? 19? I just hope when you’re standing in the tank of shit he makes of your hopes you’re all man enough to admit how friggin’ starry-eyed naive you were. American politics is a contact sport. The Republicans are no more dead today then the Democrats were in 1994. Bush made a mess of the economy BY LISTENING TO DEMOCRATS. That “Compassionate Conservatism” CRAP is nothing but the same old me-too Rockefeller Republicanism that made them a minority party in the first place. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read your idiocy about the repudiation of the “Republican Attack Machine”. We ran a crappy, old school, “bipartisanship”, economic ignoramus after 8 years of a younger version of the exact same philosophy, during the worst economic downturn in a generation and only lost by a few thousand votes in a few key swing states.

We’ll be back, little boys & girls. We’re serious as a heart attack and we play for keeps. We’re the @#$%ing GROWNUPS in this fight. We built the greatest nation in the history of man and we can REBUILD IT if we have to. Your effete, candy-ass Messiah better toughen up, because now he has to DELIVER, not just talk.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:25 am 92. Kelly:

After 8 years of Bush derangement syndrome from the media and from democrats in general I don’t think the results of this election are surprising at all. Heck, I bet Bush is sick of Bush! With Obama’s election will it be a holiday from history? Will we stop worrying about paying our mortgages and filling our gas tanks (as one woman at an Obama rally stated)? Will Al Quida go away? Not likely. I sincerely doubt most liberals really believe Obama is going to pay their mortgages and give them money for gas. I have no doubt that if we are attacked they will realize (as I think they have all along) that it isn’t because of one man specifically, but because we are truly hated as a whole. Maybe democrats will get on board with the war on terror and stop siding with our enemies (intentionally or not…I suppose we can give them the benefit of doubt). I can only hope.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:32 am 93. Mike O'Malley:

Well said LifeoftheMind. Well said Anton. I pray you are wrong. I fear you might be right.

And thank you “the Deets”. Daniel Christopher Petterson scolds about fear mongering, about Republican dirty tricks and “facts” that don’t matter! Yet one must wonder if he raised his voice against fear mongering smears equating American Evangelicals with the Taliban, fear mongering about the Patriot Act and NSA intercepts, fear mongering and demonizing Pres. Bush with fraudulent charges of “torture” and fraudulent charges that Bush caused the deaths of what was it? … 600,000 or over a million Iraqis! Or do I read Mr. Peterson right as having bumping the number up to ten million! What about the rank paranoia of the Left that Bush-Cheney brought down the World Trade Center buildings on 9/11! Or the Pres. Bush lied about Saddam’s WMD capabilities. It goes on and on … yet Mr. Peterson finds the goodness within himself to make an alter call. Believe in Barack Hussein OLeader and his righteous volk and be saved!

Yes, “this is not a day to attempt to shatter the hope for a better future simply for party politics. This is a day to reflect on how far we have come together and to accept that we have so far left to go”.

Yes, “in order for any president, nay, any country to continue down the path of greatness one must never be frightened by The Audacity Of Hope. For it is that hope that drives us to work for the things we want not only for ourselves but for those around us”.

Yes, everything in the Obama-state, nothing outside the Obama-state, nothing against the Obama-state!

Change! Hope! Unity!

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:34 am 94. DN:

Obama grew up in Chicago University. It is very hard to find there a non-communist. It is highly likely that he is a socialist himself, knowing people surrounding him in the past and present.
This was a good reason not to choose him.

However, the choice is made. It is too late now to ARGUE against his election. And he did not commit anything yet to be BLAMED for. I am pretty sure he will do, as the author above does, but still he has not done yet, so as a POTUS he is as clean as a newborn (small irregularities during election aside). Let’s wait for the first pile of shit. And hope, against the odds, that it will not come.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:34 am 95. Roderick Reilly:

“”"”"”We do not see President Obama as our savior or prophet, we are our own saviors”"”"”"”"

Thank you. It’s refreshing to hear that. That is a sentiment that is shared by genuine “conservatives” (can we drop the labels?), which has to do with free people allowed to live by free will. If it turns out that Obama and company adhere to your philosophy, that would be great.

The problem is, we keep digging up actual things he actually said that indicate otherwise.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:38 am 96. RJ:

I am a conservative and a member of the loyal opposition. I see amongst my brethren the first stages of Obama Derangement Syndrome. Of this I will have no part. Good bye, PJM. I will come here no more.

I believe you are flying under false colors, sir.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:49 am 97. Roderick Reilly:

“”"”"”"It will be a mistake if conservatives replace BDS with a similiar version directed at Obama.”"”"”"”"”

Good point. As an occasional purveyor of ODS, I have to recall that the Bush years have not been “Just Horrible!” to quote David Letterman, not by a long shot, and that when Bush did things that lefties should think of as good, they simply resented him for it (he gave $15 billion to Africa for AIDS? HE SHOULD’VE GIVEN TWICE THAT!).

So, if Obama does any “good” by non-leftie standards, will we ignore it?

Understand that I have no qualms with continued exposure of skeletons in his rather roomy closet, and being vigilant about things like “The Fairness Act” and other “hate speech” and “thought crime” legislation, attempts to seriously weaken the military, etc. I do want to keep in mind how over-the-top so much of the Bush stuff has been, and to be careful with any “Obama/McHitler” stuff.

It’s a much more constructive use of our energy to focus on leading free, productive lives, and protest when our efforts to do so run into government-imposed barriers.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:53 am 98. Chester White:

Few commentators have noted the biggest problem this country has coming:

Obama will nominate, and the Senate will confirm, boatloads of 30- to 35-year-old far leftwingers as Federal judges.

My 11 y.o. son will have to live under them until he retires.

Forget things that might be reversible in 2-4 years. THAT is the nightmare we have coming.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:57 am 99. Kate Williams:

You people are crazy. I understand anger and disappointment, but how can things be worse than they have been under Bush? Get a grip.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:10 pm 100. susan:

proud elitist

“his administration and the tanking of true American values turned me against him. At least I can say with a clear conscience that Bush EARNED his reputation”

even obuummer earned his reputation, look at his friends, those are not people he met overnight, it was all people he hung out with for DECADES!

Funny that you mention american values, I fail to see what kind of american values there are in god damn america and whites are the problem let’s get rid of them.

I fail also to see what kind of american values are behind bombing the pentagon and being proud of your country only when your husband is in a position of power, but it could be that i am too demanding.

“I cannot believe you guys are being all p*ssy because Obama had/has WAY more money than McCain.”

I cannot believe how you cannot understand that federal financing has a limit. The kind of money obummer raised are coming
1)from abroad also,
2) from peculiar organizations (GAZA raised money for obama)

If you don’t see a problem in a campaing that has been financed by many arab countries, I guess we should all wait and see until those country will come to ehm, cash on their investment.

“Here’s the best part — I am gloriously happy today, proud of my country and feel very much a patriot and a citizen of change.

You?”

I truly feel usa has hit rock bottom. Racism is more rampant than ever.

Racism will be over when 94% of black will vote for the white candidate, not the other way around.

Or when a white man will be elected in an african country.

Before that… this election means only some things:

1) now people, especially “yuff”, see elections like american idol, only worse, since for american idol sometimes there is also talent involved and not only a pretty face

2) if you are a minority you get a free pass on ANYTHING from being connected to racist people to local terrorists to antisemites, from having a 2-line resume to not being able to talk without a teleprompter

3) ego and arrogance will take you pretty much anywhere and the inevitable fall will follow soon

4) you will find out at your expense how the rest of the world that in your mind was either laughing at you or hating you, how it will take advantage of you and still hate you

your natural enemies will simply take advantage of the situation and you will mistake them bully you as “they are engaging in constructive dialogue”, while the other stupid that were “laughing at you” (namely france, germany etc) will be taken down by the economic fail that obummer will bring. Their laughs weren’t to be takes seriously in the first place.

Before they used to laugh, now they will cry. That’s the magic CHANGE you talk about?

And deluded, every intelligent brain is proud of america for being the land of possibilities, the land of discoveries, the land that SAVED other lands from tyranny. If you share the opinion of the butt-ugly ms obama that is only proud of her country when it suits them, likely you don’t deserve to be an american in the first place

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:14 pm 101. Steve P.:

Staring In Disbelief:”First of all to all you Obama backers saying “Let’s all get behind OUR President”. Listen carefully: @#$% you.”

Right back at you, numbskull.

“You spend 8 years trashing Bush for everything natural & man-made and now you want peace & quiet & patience?”

No, moron, I guess you don’t remember, but we supported him pretty strongly as a nation, especially after 9/11, right up until the part when he started lying us to war, deciding to abandon the hunt for Bin Laden and screwing up our economy. He messed up, and rightly deserved our criticism.

“Are you serious? How old are some of you Obama-posters? 19? I just hope when you’re standing in the tank of shit he makes of your hopes you’re all man enough to admit how friggin’ starry-eyed naive you were.”

You are the naive one for failing to understand just how badly you were going to get trounced in this election, which is precisely why you are “Staring in Disbelief.”

“American politics is a contact sport.”

Yeah, and you just got sacked big time!

“The Republicans are no more dead today then the Democrats were in 1994.”

Yes, they are way, way deader. Have fun being lost in the woods for a long time… you’ve earned it!!

“Bush made a mess of the economy BY LISTENING TO DEMOCRATS. That “Compassionate Conservatism” CRAP is nothing but the same old me-too Rockefeller Republicanism that made them a minority party in the first place.”

No, Bush made a mess of the economy because he is a C- student with no clear understanding of economics. Same as you, probably. And what was he doing listening to Democrats, anyway?

“I don’t know whether to laugh or cry when I read your idiocy about the repudiation of the “Republican Attack Machine”.”

I think you should cry. We socialist atheist liberals can actually subsist on the tears of impotent Republican rage.

“We ran a crappy, old school, “bipartisanship”, economic ignoramus after 8 years of a younger version of the exact same philosophy, during the worst economic downturn in a generation and only lost by a few thousand votes in a few key swing states.”

Yeah, curse those Democrats for making us run a crappy campaign!

We’ll be back, little boys & girls. We’re serious as a heart attack and we play for keeps. We’re the @#$%ing GROWNUPS in this fight. We built the greatest nation in the history of man and we can REBUILD IT if we have to. Your effete, candy-ass Messiah better toughen up, because now he has to DELIVER, not just talk.

Ha ha. That’s some tough talk coming from a party that just humiliated itself. No, you’re not the @#$%ing grown ups, you’re the cranky grandparents that need to be put to bed. Take a nap, old timer. We’ll not only fix the mess you made over the last 8 year, we’ll even wake you up when Matlock comes on! Now that’s change you can believe in.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:15 pm 102. wonderer:

“… Obama and his administration will be working within the constraints of the constitution …”

I hate comments like this, because they’re ignorant of present history. The people of the city of New York have voted twice to limit their Mayor to two terms.

And yet … why look what’s happened.

Government can and will do whatever it damn well wants to a citizenry that sits on its ass and lets it.

WOLVERINES!

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:32 pm 103. mishu:

Here’s the best part — I am gloriously happy today, proud of my country and feel very much a patriot and a citizen of change.

Forgive me for being an American ignorant on all things geographic but where exactly is this country called change?

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:36 pm 104. CALIndie:

Chester White – “Obama will nominate, and the Senate will confirm, boatloads of 30- to 35-year-old far leftwingers as Federal judges.”

Don’t forget 3 or 4 radical Supreme Court Justices thrown in for good measure. When Barack Obama gets done re-writing the U.S. Constitution in his image all of our sons and daughters will be in bondage to socialism or worse, literal bondage in re-education camps.

Obama’s most powerful message in the last month of campaigning was “I will bring fundamental change to America!” What type of fundamental change would a constitutional scholar, academic revolutionary like Mr. Obama bring?

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:38 pm 105. Tom B.:

This is the first time I have honestly considered becoming a citizen of a different country. Daniel Christopher Peterson and GetAGrip, among others, have already begun the deification of Obama that the author mentioned, and very few Republicans/Conservatives are doing anything constructive to mitigate this potential disaster.

I sincerely hope that Obama is not the demon that some seem to believe he is. Because if Obama is that demon, then he will mutilate and slaughter this country, while half or more of America (ex., GetAGrip, DCP, etc.) tries to ignore it because they can’t admit they were wrong.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:45 pm 106. Curbster:

Thanks Chester White,
I was having enough trouble sleeping at night and then you pointed that one out. Federal judges serving for life,… hmmmmmm

Mcsame: nice smilies on your posts, are you 11 or 12?

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:46 pm 107. Paul_Unalaska:

I must agree with tim maguire’s comment. You may not respect the man but respect the position.

I sent an eerily similiar email to Nancy Pelosi recently regarding her (paraphrasing), “The Democrats will reach across the aisle with our Republican constituents and bring about…” You get the picture.

Her disgusting hate speech just weeks prior before the House voted on the bailout bill (which the House squashed thanks to her ridiculous diatribe) last month was despicable. Here she was insulting the President, his failed policies, yadda yadda yadda. Hey Nancy, the Pres. is for the bailout too! What a loon. Most powerful country, position held in the land and being spoken of in this manner from this dinglebe*ry. WOW.

Again, you may not respect the man but respect the position. It’s the same response nearly every Secret Service Agent has said following a 2 year Pres. Clinton detail.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:56 pm 108. Toads:

“Half of Americans are invested in the stock market.”

47% to be exact.

Unfortunately, black people don’t own stocks, and voted 95% for Obama.

Always remember that without the black vote, McCain would have won in a landslide. THe non-black vote (whites, Hispanics, Asians) went 55-44% to McCain. It is only blacks (13% of voters, voting 95-5% for Obama) that put Obama in.

So guess what? Blacks are about to be held accountable to everyone else. This is something they are not prepared for.

Nov 5, 2008 - 12:57 pm 109. Pundit Joe:

Dee said: “Obama is not my President” – Dee, he will be our president. In our system, leaders carry the authority granted to them by the people’s vote – that is unless you plan on ignoring the constitution and all it stands for. If you don’t like an Obama presidency then frickin’ work to ensure one of our guys wins next time. Don’t act like the petulant left.

Racketeer said: “I’m going to go out today and buy a flag to display on my house. It’s going to remain upside down until the next administration is removed.” – Oh yes, piss on the symbol of the greatest nation in the world, a nation whose sons and daughters have died to protect because our man didn’t win an election. Go ahead and act like Bill Ayres. After all, we didn’t win an election so the nation must suck. Do your values and respect for our nation mean so little that you would abandon them so quickly?

There are probably more comments that would get me riled up, but these two are sufficient for me to make my point.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticize. I’m not saying we should just roll over and accept a bunch of junk, but I am saying that we shouldn’t throw a tantrum just because our guy didn’t win. Don’t be dumb – don’t act in an irresponsible manner. That will only serve to alienate the very people we need to join us.

We won’t be able to convince folks our values are superior if we abandon them at the first sign of difficulty.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:03 pm 110. susan:

“No, moron, I guess you don’t remember, but we supported him pretty strongly as a nation, especially after 9/11″

which is pretty much a give, like saying you are very proud of your country only when it elects a black president.

BTW, I know a certain somebody that regardless of 9-11 he kept on saying america deserved it… maybe you remember his name…

“No, Bush made a mess of the economy because he is a C- student with no clear understanding of economics. Same as you, probably.”

well since the disaster was started by bill clinton with the promise to give house to anybody regardless of possibilities.

So I guess clinton is D on financial issues

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:07 pm 111. Paul_Unalaska:

Steve P, to assume every person over 60 voted for McCain is ignorant. In a “P C” world, racist.

Why insult the entire older generation? It’s from these folks from which great books, plays and music was composed. Mnay of these individuals are heroes in every sense of the word of every profession. It’s from the older generation we are reminded of atroscities and mistakes made in the past. Most have lived, endured 2 World Wars and suffice to say, many more elections than you ever have. On the flipside it’s also the same folks who look at the earring wearing (I’m more insulted seeing an older person looking “hip”. An earring, convertible, bicylce clothing – you just look silly) Ayer’s as a man whose ‘..paid his debts.’

You joke or mock of “we socialist, atheist liberal…” Go to West Europe and see how those 3 titles have “benefited” the people. I’m only 33 but have traveled extensively for work and leisure when I’ve time. I’ve seen those aspects of Europe. Marriage, religion is of little importance or consequence. Signs are in 3 languages (Brussels has a large Welsh, Arab community), no kinship, trust, reliance amongst neighbors. Ask them of “pride” and more times than not the response will be, “For what”?

If you haven’t traveled and realize what a wonderful place in which we live I highly recommend it. I believe I’ve used this prior but Steinbeck (an old guy at the time) had written, “The greatest knowledge is gained through travel. Those who have not have read but a page of a book.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:22 pm 112. frankg:

I’m afraid Obama will be teflon for a long long time. The media will obfuscate everything. When things go really bad, people who voted for him will have no idea if its due to the screw up philosophy of socialism. His voters didn’t seem to know what he stood for before the election. His supporters are being lowered into the artificial simulators like in the Matrix movie.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:34 pm 113. John F:

All that Obama has to do is to push through a treaty that recognizes the authority of the World Court in some manner and the Constitution will be on a slippery slope to oblivion. Liberals hate the Constitution because it gives the same rights to the Great Unwashed as it does to the Ruling Elite. It’s more outdated than the Beatles in their perspective.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:45 pm 114. Steve P.:

Paul_Unalaska: “Steve P, to assume every person over 60 voted for McCain is ignorant. In a “P C” world, racist.”

Paul, I assume nothing about seniors. I was just comparing a previous poster’s ranting to that of a cranky old man. And even if I were, it still would not be “racist,” because the last time I checked, senior citizens are not of a different race.

And Steinbeck was a socialist.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:48 pm 115. SAF:

Chester White:

That is why some of us voted for McCain precisely for this reason.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:49 pm 116. RebeccaH:

Obama’s win was firm, but hardly a landslide. He’s going to have walk the walk now, and that won’t be easy, especially for the rest of us. Frankly, I don’t think he’s got the cojones.

Nov 5, 2008 - 1:50 pm 117. Fen:

“Interesting how many comments essentially amount to: “Hate President Bush! Support the President and his noble office!”

No kidding, but its funny to listen to the Bush=Hitler crowd lecture us about the need for civility.

I’m afraid Obama will be teflon for a long long time. The media will obfuscate everything.

Worse, they will mythologize him the same way they did Kennedy.

Sidebar to our ignorant BamaCons: all your wailing about the economy ignores the fact that banks were forced [via charges of racism] to lend to minorities with bad credit, by Democrats. Gee, guess where that got us? [BTW, no talk of reparations, our 401Ks just paid up.]

So, the geniuses that brought us the affirmative action credit crunch just elected an affirmative action President. Three guesses how that will turn out.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:05 pm 118. Jon:

Mr. Chrenkoff,

thanks for the thoughtless “conservative” reaction to the election results. Anyone who knows even an iota of history really thinks a-Bin Laden an co. planned 9/11 because ift was Clinto in the White House. Nor do they think that it was a Bush presidency that started anti- American sentiments among our worst enemies. (Bush did lose the respect of our traditional allies – a mis-step his father avoided by actually making a coalition of allies before he invaded Iraq.)

Deep at the heart of you comments are an intense lack of respect for history and a lack of faith in this country. Both McCain and Obama clearly had a deep abiding respect for the constitution and the processes that have kept us safe from extreme demagoguery for over 200 plus years.

Your flawed ideology, borrowed in spirit from a McCarthy era cold-war play book is tired and destructive.

Fast forward to reality.

Jon

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:05 pm 119. Letalis Maximus, Esq.:

Obama is a politician. No more. No less. He has won his election. Soon he must govern. Time will tell.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:08 pm 120. Mary Ann:

Will someone please tell me how he could afford a trip around the world after Occidental College, and then return and go to Columbia. Oh, yes, and then on to Harvard. We know all about Governor Palin and how she afforded college.Why the big secret about “The One”??

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:20 pm 121. Arizona Senora:

Ay!

RH aka Becky!

Obama tiene DOS cojones

Hasta

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:21 pm 122. MadRad:

Pundit Joe-
Cool your jets killa!

Rocketeer is not “pissing” on anything. Flying the flag upside down is a LEGAL and SANCTIONED method of showing distress or danger to life or property. I, being a Veteran, would never sanction the desecration of my/our flag but I do support and defend a persons right to show they are very afraid of what’s to come. It is not meant to be nor is it to be interpreted as disrespect. Maybe you could think of it as symbol of our reemergence or our resolve to save our country from dark day. When I see that flag upside down, I know someone needs help (in this case, our country). BTW, look it up on GOOGLE.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:23 pm 123. Agoraphobic Plumber:

“Republicans- evangical, neo-cons, real repubs. your only goal was to beat the dems.”

How do you know my goals? Just curious.

“You have no vision besides the status quo.”

I have a vision of slashing spending by AT LEAST 25% overall. That’s hardly status quo. Though I do want status quo on taxes, so I guess you might be right in that respect.

“the dems knew if there was a fair election it would be a Obama win.”

They knew no such thing. Nobody did. Otherwise why were so many dems so nervous? No national election in this country can be stolen wholesale, your fevered dreams of 2000 notwithstanding.

“please do not do all you can to undermine the president elect.
After all America has clearly spoken. And it wasn’t close.”

I have never and would never undermine a sitting president. I leave that to the Democrats. The last 8 years have demonstrated their advanced skill in that art. Obama is MY president as much as yours. I just hope HE realizes that fact.

“so with this landslide victory and a overwhelming foreign approval. Please give the new electorate a chance to work.

It was NOT a “landslide victory”. Solid, yes. But don’t go claiming strong mandates where only weak ones exist. Nearly half the country opposed Obama. Who, by the way, is the president of the UNITED STATES…which renders “foreign approval” utterly meaningless.

Obama will get his chance. He also has a very friendly congress throughout. He, with the enthusiastic approval and support of both houses of congress, will screw up and overstep his mandate, much as the Repubs did after the 2004 election. Then they will get tossed out on their ear again like they did in 2000. Then it will be the Repubs’ turn to screw up again. And so it goes.

Just remember one thing: you don’t get to blame the Repubs for any screw-ups for at least another 2 years. None. That outlet is gone. The dems control both houses of congress and the presidency after Jan. 20. Any decisions that go bad are their fault, just as any positive results are to their credit. The main difference is that most of the positive results will actually be recognized now, unlike the Dems’ total denial of the positive developments that have occurred while they were out of office.

But you can bet that the negative results will not be ignored. And there will be plenty to choose from by the time the mid-term elections roll around again. It’s not for nothing that the president traditionally loses support in congress after his first 2 years in office.

“Country first!”

Indeed.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:31 pm 124. Agoraphobic Plumber:

“thanks for the thoughtless “conservative” reaction to the election results. Anyone who knows even an iota of history really thinks a-Bin Laden an co. planned 9/11 because ift was Clinto in the White House.”

Nobody who has an iota of reading comprehension skill believes that Mr. Chrenkoff said that Bin Laden planned 9/11 “because ift was Clinto in the White House”. Read it again until you understand what he wrote. Then comment. It works better that way.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:37 pm 125. Josh Reiter:

I voted for McCain but I am appalled at the number of republicans in here who are acting like sore losers. Don’t lower yourselves to the level of the angry left. Just because they did it for 8 years doesn’t make it right for us to do it for the next 4. We do not necessarily need to instantly discard our opinions and ideas about Obama but we should demonstrate respect for our elected leader. The doom and gloom naysayers need to get take a deep breathe. Understand that you are harboring hard feelings in order to deal with the shock of the election outcome and try to move on with life. Despite what Obama thinks about the Constitution, it is still a living document that has been designed to limit the power of the President, the Congress, and prevent insurmountable changes. When we look throughout the history of the United States you will see that most U.S. presidents were dolts and idiots. We somehow managed to survive to this point despite some very suspect individuals attaining the position of POTUS.

Despite some pretty harsh comments from many people in this thread I must still note the occasional dose of sanity (which is far more than what you get on a Kos-kids site). Not necessarily from the obvious Obama-shills that insist, “they will show us how to respect Obama” in a very fascist and totalarian tone. But those that feel the way I do and think that if republicans are truly the grown ups in this society, then we better act the part and be the bigger person.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:46 pm 126. Agoraphobic Plumber:

“Obama’s win was firm, but hardly a landslide. He’s going to have walk the walk now, and that won’t be easy, especially for the rest of us. Frankly, I don’t think he’s got the cojones.”

You and me both, sister. But I have a feeling that something’s going to come up in < 1 year that will require him to grow a pair. Quick.

My mind keeps wandering back to that bad case of diahrrhea of the mouth that Biden indulged in about Obama being tested. That whole speech had something about it that made me think he was talking out of school about something specific he knows that might or will happen.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:49 pm 127. Agoraphobic Plumber:

“No, moron, I guess you don’t remember, but we supported him pretty strongly as a nation, especially after 9/11″

For about 5 minutes. Then came the bashing that has not stopped yet.

And please give the specific “lie” that Bush told. I want specifics, with some evidence that he was speaking an untrush with intent to deceive, not “he lied us to war”. Lied about what, EXACTLY? Give me something he said that wasn’t accepted as common knowledge when he said it, and then it turned out he knew otherwise and said it anyway?

Bush never lied about anything, that I’ve ever been able to dig up info on anywhere other than the fever swamps of the lefty blogosphere. I’ll concede some incompetence in the way the postwar was handled, but I call BS on claims of lies.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:54 pm 128. Javelin:

Oh what dreck! The people who worry about anti-americanism the most are the ones who feed into it out of jingoistic self absorption. Also, spare me the messiah, calling him the messiah before trashing him has been a staple of the hate filled small minds for over a year. We survived the cold war against far more powerful and well armed enemies even with Jimmy Carter, so spare me the paranoid prdictions about mass Al Qaeeda attacks. Even Obama would not tolerate a direct attack against us. Stop trying to indirectly justify the crummy war in Iraq, a war which the war mongering cowards of the right supported from a position of complete safety and no sacrifice. McCain lost cause the base of the party has been thoroughly exposed as the small minded, jingoistic, bypocritical fools who think a third string governor, from the most obscure statem, that no one heard off till August would have made a good (vice) president

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:55 pm 129. Javelin:

Hey leader:
““You have no vision besides the status quo.”

I have a vision of slashing spending by AT LEAST 25% overall. That’s hardly status quo. Though I do want status quo on taxes, so I guess you might be right in that respect.
”
Really, where was that stated as a major plank? After the trillion or more we dropped on Iraq et al?

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:56 pm 130. Agoraphobic Plumber:

“now that we have a competent President.”

You may be right. But how can you know? What in Obama’s background leads you to this conclusion? He’s never held any job for the length of a presidential term. We’re entering uncharted territory. I don’t think it will be as bad as some here seem to think, but I certainly wouldn’t bank on Obama being in the upper 50% of presidents.

Nov 5, 2008 - 2:56 pm 131. Horace Wells:

Saltherring!
Got any more ignorant biblically inspired trash you want to lay on us small minds here? Keep it up, a true theocon speaks, full of hate, paranoia and ignorance wrapped up in religious metaphors! Well, at least now you have Huckabee to spoon feed you your mental drivel on Fox now!

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:04 pm 132. CALIndie:

Kate Williams – “You people are crazy. I understand anger and disappointment, but how can things be worse than they have been under Bush? Get a grip.”

What is it Kate that inspires you so much about socialism, communism, marxism, bigger government, centralized government control, huge wasteful government beauracracies, runaway fraud in government programs (The GAO says 30% of Medicare is fraud, 30 freaking percent!), unstoppable government entitlement programs, giving U.S. sovereignty to the U.N., handing over U.S. law to the world court etc.?

Take one look at how government socialists in the Democratic party, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid legislated (that means they wrote it in to LAW) “affordable housing” thru Fanny & Freddy by mandating 50% of their loans be made to people who can’t afford them and have bad credit. BRILLIANT!

How can things be worse than Bush? Why don’t you study up on Barack Hussein Obama, Michelle Obama, Rev. Wright, Father Phleger, Bill Ayers, Khalid Rashidi et al and soon you’ll find out exactly what they have in mind for America. Oh, we’re in for some change all right.

The only people in America who have a grip Kate are the people who voted against socialism, communism (little c) and marxism. Let’s see who needs to get a grip 8 years from now. We’ll all need to get a grip on how America became such a second rate mess.

My advice is to get a government job (of course it sounds like you already have one) get on the government dole, become a loyal communist party member, sing the praises of Dear Leader, accept the government redistribution checks, pick up your commodities at the government commissary, join your neighborhood community organizing “security force,” and all will be better than GW Bush. Good luck.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:06 pm 133. Paul_Unalaska:

Steve P, Steinbeck was a Socialist. So was Eric Blair, or more known as George Orwell. Should this deter me from their readings, respectively? Of course not. To compare a writer’s leanings to a capitalistic society electing a POTUS who feels differently politically, need I finish?
Lastly, it’s sad to see instead of your attempts at proving a point you prefer to take jabs. ‘numbskull’, ‘moron’ ,’Matlock’, ‘Steinbeck was..’ comments. You needn’t play the ‘He/She first…’ Neither candidate asked or require such criticism/retaliation you exude.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:09 pm 134. mac:

I’m finding it hilarious to see all the liberal Dems coming here now to try to tell all the “losers” not to do exactly what they did to George W. Bush over the last eight years. You libs were willing to see the country lose a war and give aid and comfort to an enemy killing Americans in the field just to attain political goals.

I despise what you stand for, I won’t pay one extra damned nickel to support it and I’m going to do my absolute best to make sure “THE ONE” is a complete and abysmal failure. That includes rubbing every screwup and idiotic moment he and his gaffe-machine VP have into your faces. I also won’t hire or do business with your ilk. Payback’s a bitch, and you traitorous bastards have a LOT of it coming.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:14 pm 135. Sapper:

First question of the Obama administration?

What did Obama know (about the felonies in his fundraising) and when did he know it?

Its coming. Get ready Obamabots – we are going to rip his (political) entrails out and choke him to death on them.

And enjoy every minute of hounding this criminal Obama out of office.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:45 pm 136. Edmund Jenks (MAXINE):

Does anyone know what issues Americans were voting for when they lined up to vote Barack Obama into the Chief Executive office of the United States?

This will leave a mark!

Here is a sample compiled from statements made by Barack Obama and the Democrat Political Party leadership:

** Free speech will be under attack through the revival of “Fairness Doctrine” – (Sen. Charles Schumer, last week)

** 401K retirement programs will become the property of the federal government and reduced to a maximum 3% growth opportunity – (Congress Democrats after Argentina pursued a similar policy)

** More babies will not make it to see the light of day than less (even those who might have seen the light but officially did not) – (voted on 3 time by then State Senator Obama in Illinois)

** Tax rates will be increased and less taxes will be actually collected – (this is what happened during the Carter Presidency … and anytime tax rates are raised)

** The national debt will continue to increase along with the size of federal government – (do you actually think the federal government will get smaller under an Obama Presidency?)

** Less energy will be drilled, mined, transported, fused, and otherwise placed in a way our freedoms are increased and made more viable – (Democrat Party led agenda in Congress without much opposition for the last three decades)

** One’s vote on the job, at work, will no longer be secret – (The Democrat Party bone thrown to unions for their support, and does anyone think this policy is really OK?)

** Less free trade and more economic isolation will become the trends – (from statements made by Barack Obama over this last year of campaigning)

** True respect and stature for the United States will suffer as our support for Israel takes a step backward – (given statements made by Barack Obama to the Hamas leadership on his wonderful international trip this last summer)

** The balance of power in Washington DC will have all power with little balance – (we all can count the seats and the attitudes – Barney Frank called for a 25% reduction of our Military forces without reason during these dangerous times)

I do not think the majority of Americans were actually voting for these items to be handled in just this way, but each of these items are a part of the power without balance that will become the 44th Presidency.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:45 pm 137. Sapper:

First question of the Obama administration?

What did Obama know (about the felonies in his fundraising) and when did he know it?

Crooked is as crooked does. And we can play hardball too. Get ready.

Its coming. Get ready Obamabots – we are going to rip his (political) guts out and choke him on them.

And enjoy every minute of hounding this criminal Obama out of office.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:47 pm 138. Jim C.:

Daniel Christopher Petterson wrote, “This is exactly the kind of insane old style politics we supporters of Obama are sick of. The kind of rampant fearmongering the auther displays”

You, sir, are a liar and a hypocrite. The left has done its own fearmongering. Bush is a Nazi, fascism/theocracy is upon us, Bush has made us less safe from terrorism, etc.

Add your own fearmongering statement to the list.

Nov 5, 2008 - 3:53 pm 139. MarkJ:

The American people have spoken. Now, please, by all means, continue sitting at your computers whining about how scary Obama is. We prefer that you stay indoors and out of our way as we fix the giant mess that you and your imbecile of a president have created over the last 8 years.

Ummm, no. Using your own logic, only 52% of the American people “have spoken.” Go back and read your third sentence carefully, and then you’ll understand why we’re “scared.” Your words betray a truly authoritarian, fanatic mindset. Say, have you bought your mandatory Obama Youth armband yet? I hear Obama’s selling them for a $15 donation (payable in cash, check, money order and verified credit cards).

Oh, and by the way, if Bush was such an “imbecile” after 9/11–why are you still alive and troll-posting?

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:02 pm 140. Die Fledermaus:

The Constitution is absolutely NOT a living document. It’s words mean the same things now as they did in 1789. If their meaning were variable, no one would have bothered to write them down, as there would have been no point. Its words were also written to be comprehensible by the average citizen, not just lawyers. The insane superstructure that has been erected on the Constitution – you know, the emanations of the penumbras that enable legal minds to ignore one passage’s stated intent while simultaneously imbuing another with intentions whose key terms don’t even appear in the original document – is the work of the same twits who advocate the “living document” BS. Read Scalia’s opinions on the subject. The scales might fall even from your eyes. Our nation’s second president, John Adams, saw this coming just a few years after ratification, when he wrote: “I have come to the conclusion that one useless man is called a disgrace, two a law firm, and three or more become a congress.”

Only an idiot would play poker under a set of “living” rules, and only an utter fool would tolerate that concept’s application to one of our nation’s defining documents. That’s the outrageous ruse that charlatans have relied on to project their preferences into a document that was written to be plainly comprehensible, without having to go through all that pesky legislative or silly amending business. The Constitution’s words were carefully and deliberately chosen, over a course of years, to convey precisely the meaning the founders’ intended. Obama knows that; he just doesn’t like it, and sees himself as qualified to correct its flaws. The reason we know this is that he chose certain words when he stated these beliefs, and he chose those words because of their fixed meanings. Just like the founders did when they wrote the Constitution.

Nov 5, 2008 - 4:14 pm 141. jm:

re: markj
“Your words betray a truly authoritarian, fanatic mindset.”
you are right! the mindset you talking about is a, more or less, direct copy of the european original. for us born in the 40’s in scandinavia,” america ” has always been with her faults, peculiarities, or without them,anyway the dream country number one. why ? because of the true individualism, human freedoms protected by laws and customs ! that’s why. if, as it seems, you now are choosing a type of social-democratic mindset, preparing yourselves even for something more radical,you are turning your history backwards: to those times we europeans already left sometimes ago.
if that happens, it means the same type of governance we have here. and believe in me. that comes with a heavy price, indeed. you can then forget most of the individual rights and freedom you still enjoy. and we here in europe, can forget that there’s anyway a country in this world, where individual freedom is respected and constitutionally pretected. and which would serve as an example for us others to strive after.

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:19 pm 142. proud elitist:

Actually, the Constitution is “living”, otherwise African-Americans would still be considered 3/5 of a white person and women (nor AAs) would not be able to vote… So, DIE, you are wrong. You have just described in your own post described the careful language chosen for the Constitution. Why is that? Because time passes and they framed this document to evolve. (To live)

And, happiest of joys, I will not have to live in an American with SCJustices of the Thomas, Scalia, Roberts and Alito veins, but of a liberal persuasion. That is joy.

And, no, I am not proud of America for the FIRST time in my life. Just for the first time in the past SEVEN years.

The Conservatives lost this election. Blame Obama all you want.

In the alternative, you can reflect upon yourselves and your party and ask WHY in state after state, county after county, this nation went “blue”. Review the Bush 2004 Electoral Map; look at 2008. Look at your party leaders and figure out what the Conservative side/movement needs.

I can easily say that I’m not into Pelosi, Hoyer, and others. I’m not a blind loyalist and am currently registed as “no party” affiliation. I can say that I LOVE Kucinich, Whitehouse and am sad that Chafee got the boot in RI (despite my Whitehouse love) in 2006 because of his “R” affiliation.

Can you look at your party, your leaders and criticize? Can you reflect upon yourselves that way?

In actuality, who is the “leader” of your party? Is it even McCain?

Nov 5, 2008 - 5:44 pm 143. Dave Surls:

“You people are crazy. I understand anger and disappointment, but how can things be worse than they have been under Bush?”

Things could be like how they were under Andy Jackson, Jefferson Davis, Woody Wilson, FDR, Truman, JFK and LBJ.

That’s how.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:46 pm 144. susan:

liberal justice is an oximoron.

the only justice the liberal want is the one explained in the marxist doctrine.

it’s known that liberals widely tend to overprotect minorities over perceived and often manifactured “injustices”.

Glad to know you want laws to be written by liberal judges rather than letting them where they belongs, in the hand of the american people.

Nov 5, 2008 - 6:48 pm 145. sbtx:

“MarkJ: Using your own logic, only 52% of the American people ‘have spoken.’”

Actually, when you think about it, it’s not even 52% of the American people. It’s just 52% of the people who voted. With less than 100% of the American people registered to vote, and less than 100% of registered voters actually voting, you have to take into consideration the ones who “voted Present.” My guess would be 25% or less of the American people “have spoken”!

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:17 pm 146. JD:

The one thing I just can`t get passed is, if Obama`s messianic message of hope and change is so powerful, why are the poor people in Chicago still poor? Ivy league sheeple can you please explain that? DUH! And you tried to tell us that Sarah was stupid.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:35 pm 147. nlcatter:

i did not tell anyone to cease making statements about Obama.

when you do I will gladly show which one are utter fantasy.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:35 pm 148. The Wide Awake Cafe » “The Longest Wet Kiss in American History”:

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Nov 5, 2008 - 7:45 pm 149. BeJay:

DieFledermaus…Liked your #48, Why didn’t you tell this to the MSM before the election? They needed some help ferriting out the truth.
And # 140: Oh these lawyers! Reminds me of another ’silver tongued’ Democrat(Clinton) “It all depends on what the word ‘is’ is.” (paraphrasing)

#142…Obama only carried the Pittsbugh and Philly areas, not the whole state of Pennsylvania, as the MSM said.

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:49 pm 150. Die Fledermaus:

proud elitist: Entering the realm of the Incredibly Obvious for a moment, that the Constitution can be amended is true. That it is “living” is not. The “living document” rubbish inheres in the boundless interpretive latitude that liberal judges have employed to invest the document with intentions that its authors never even considered. This has been done specifically to bypass the legislative or amendment mechanisms, both of which are protracted and require that your intentions be made clear during the process. For the lying Leftist cowards that occupy much of our federal judiciary, it’s far easier to abuse judicial privilege and pretend to see something that’s patently not in the Constitution than it is actually to place it there. You didn’t even understand the substance of the argument you were attempting to parrot. That’s both pathetic and suggestive.

As for conservatives having lost the election, you wish. Despite his 11th-hour claims to the label, McCain has never been a conservative, which is why he failed to energize the conservative base at all until he added Palin to the ticket. While he was definitely a centrist favorite of the Left and the media, I doubt McCain would have been among the top 25 candidates on most conservatives’ lists. His claims are simply not supported by his record. Conservative and Republican are not synonymous. Chafee, for instance, called himself Republican but was much closer to liberal Democrat, and light years from conservatism. Kucinich, OTOH, is not only not conservative, I’m not sure what plane of existence he dematerializes into after his public appearances. I’m confident it’s Hell-and-gone from this reality, though. Take a look at last night’s election results before you submit to your passions and let your unbridled thoughts out again. Don’t let someone else think for you; do it yourself. After a few minutes’ inspection, you’ll see that virtually every Republican who lost his seat last night ran on a moderate platform. Those who ran as conservatives are the ones who retained their seats, contrary to your petulant assertion. Really. Go check this yourself. The Republican minority in the next congress will, therefore, necessarily be more conservative than the current one. The last time a resolute minority of Republican conservatives existed was during the Reagan administration. They made life interesting for the Democratic majority. (You might have heard of the Reagan administration; it was in most of the papers.) There are also conservative Democrats in congress, something I fear The One is going to learn the hard way. If anything, Republican conservatism got a boost last night, as you’ll see in a few months’ time. All genuine conservatives have ever needed to do is run on their records. They generally win when they do. If they’re faux conservatives, like McCain, whose records as Republicans are all but indistinguishable from Democrats, voters figure they may as well vote for the Real Deal rather than a liberal in Republican clothing. Or just stay home and watch a movie.

The absence of reason and any factual substance in your very considered tantrum is illuminating. You’ll probably calm down after puberty. In the meantime, maybe some warm milk? It might help you avoid things like “live in an American” or “described in your own post described.”

Nov 5, 2008 - 7:52 pm 151. nlcatter:

142 thus Mccain did not carry whole state of

texas, tenn, sc, georgia etc

BFD!

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:07 pm 152. nlcatter:

you losers lost

my job is done

Nov 5, 2008 - 8:36 pm 153. CALIndie:

proud elitist – “I can say that I LOVE Kucinich”

Kucinich? You LOVE Kucinich? Ohhhhhh my gawwwwwwwd (OMG!)Say no more proud elitist. Calling Barack Obama a smooth talking lawyer could only be surpassed by calling Dennis Kucinich a human fruitbat. LOL!

There is nothing you can say, on any post, anywhere in the blogoshpere, that will redeem you from the height of ignorance that is displayed in your declaration… “I can say that I LOVE Kucinich” WOW! LOL!

My fellow Americans, this is how we get a nice black man who just happens to be the most radical, liberal, socialist politician America has ever seen in the Senate, let alone as POTUS! proud elitist and his ilk! I LOVE Dennis Kucinich. I can’t get over that. Everytime I feel a little down from all the socialism and taxation without representation I’ll just repeat to myself… proud elitist LOVES Dennis Kucinich and my spirit will be lifted. It’s bad enough to think it, but who would say it… proud elitist. LOL!

Nov 5, 2008 - 9:30 pm 154. Anonymous:

Viewfromafar – “the big difference that I see is that my parents had a choice to buy healthcare or not, and my husband doesn’t, as it is a tax”

But Americans already pay through taxes for Medicare and Medicaid, in amounts that would be enough to pay for most European health systems covering the whole population.

Not to mention the free emergency room treatment for uninsured people, this isn’t free, the cost gets added to your insurance premiums. It would be much cheaper and more efficient to just give these people access to cheap preventative care rather than wait until they are so sick they need to have expensive emergency procedures which the insured will end up paying for anyway.

Nov 5, 2008 - 11:51 pm 155. Anonymous:

“”"You joke or mock of “we socialist, atheist liberal…” Go to West Europe and see how those 3 titles have “benefited” the people. I’m only 33 but have traveled extensively for work and leisure when I’ve time. I’ve seen those aspects of Europe. Marriage, religion is of little importance or consequence. Signs are in 3 languages (Brussels has a large Welsh, Arab community), no kinship, trust, reliance amongst neighbors. Ask them of “pride” and more times than not the response will be, “For what”?”"”

You’re right, religion is of little consequence here, people are free to follow any religion and they are free not to if they don’t beleive in any of them, what’s wrong with that? As for marriage, people get married all the time, some people choose not to, again, what’s your problem with this freedom?

Yes, Brussels has minority populations as do many big cities (although i’ve never heard the Welsh mentioned as one of the main minorities there before, where on earth did you get that pearl from?). It’s the same in US cities, I don’t see why an ethnic monoculture would be something that we should aim for.

Multilingual signs, what’s wrong with that? I live near to Wales and the signs there are bilingual because some people prefer to speak welsh, why should the sign-erecting authorities ignore this fact?

There is also plenty of trust and reliance between neighbours, certainly in my street, we all get along fine and help each other out.

Plenty of people are proud of their cities, their communities, their nations, they just have a bit of realism, they don’t chant the national anthem every morning and proclaim how gret they are compared to everywhere else in the world. To me, this humility is a positive thing, jingoistic tub-thumping is not.

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:11 am 156. susan:

anonymous typical leftist ignorance.

you have never been to brussels nor to any major european city.

Entire blocks are NO GO AREAS. The police doesn’t even go there. Muslims have occupied some suburbs, they drive local people out.

you probably know about the laid back attitude Netherlands have towards gay people. Right now the gay community is scared because anti-gay attacks (unknown in the secular netherlands) are increasing, all from muslim immigrant.

And you are from the uk. Look at the disasters that multiculturalism has created. Are you happy that beautiful things like honor killings and forced marriages are increasing exponentially in your country?

I bet you will reply that honor killings are yuman rites of a minority therefore, they are untouchable.

Stay anonymous, anonymous, I’d be ashamed to write such stupidity

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:37 am 157. Jonesy55:

Susan, I am anonymous, I was writing from another computer (yes we have more than one here in backward Europe) and forgot to fill my details in.

For your information I have been to Brussels half a dozen times and have visited dozens of other cities, large and small around Europe and lived in several in the UK plus Paris.

Your rantings do not bear relation to reality, you have been cocooned in your right-wing bubble of hate for too long. If you believe all the scaremongering trash that you read you’d probably never leave the house but fortunately the real world is not like that, Brussels is not some terrorist infested sewer, it’s actually quite nice.

Of course nobody supports so called honour killings or forced marriages but I’m not allowing these tragic but rare events to poison my mind into calling for a mass war of civilisations and cultures any more than I would use the crimes of Charles Manson to call for the destruction of all Americans. They are no more a part of Islam than the techiques and crimes of the Spanish inquisition are a part of Christianity.

Your hate propaganda tactics against Muslims are the mirror-image of the methods used by nazi germany to dehumanise, segregate and then kill Jews. Your mentality is that of the pogrom, sane people will ignore your shrill cries and continue to live in the real world.

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:16 am 158. Die Fledermaus:

BeJay: In response to numerous hit-pieces and leftist pap masquerading as news, I posted and/or sent the following set of links to dozens of reporters, editors, talking-heads, and bloggers. The stories at any one of these links does a better job acquainting a reader with the actual Barack Obama than our Jurassic media did, collectively. Note that they’re not of a single political perspective, and originate in several different countries. Also note that only one of them represents a mainstream press organization, ABC. The information in these links is and has been out there all along, and the mainstream American press are perfectly aware of it. It’s just that they’d rather have an organ harvested than report the truth about The One. It really is that simple.

The foreign press has done a much more thorough job of it. Pick one of the links below, any one, and read it carefully. The man described bears only a passing resemblance to our president elect’s public image. People who’ve known him the longest are the ones who say that he’s extremely thin-skinned, that his temper is “volcanic,” and that he keeps it in check only with great difficulty when he’s irritated. I recall liberals foaming about McCain’s fits of anger rendering him unfit as president. In view of what long-standing colleagues of Obama have said about him, a comparison of the two mens’ temperaments would seem to have been a fertile story line – if you were interested in publishing the truth about both of them, that is. The major U.S. press are only interested in undermining Republicans and carrying water for Democrats.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/full
http://www.yesweekly.com/main.asp?SectionID=49&SubSectionID=223&ArticleID=3813&TM=65519.56
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/gerard_baker/article4735295.ece
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-and-the-woods-fund/
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2079871/stasi-tactics-from-camp-obama.thtml
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/sex-ed-for-kind.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/09/obamas_disturbing_muslim_outre.html
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305420655186700
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4784
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4930
http://web.archive.org/web/20031124074419/http:/www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1086487,00.html

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:26 am 159. czar55:

the oddity is that the one possible “savior” from all the bad consequences appropriately feared in the article and by most of the posters is the congress. NOT because they are savvy, responsible people, but because their principle motivator is NOT that their President succeed but that they get reelected time after time. To do that they must deliver jobs and money to their constituents first, worry about the country’s welfare later. To keep their constituents happy, and themselves reelected they cannot permit a reduction in spending for defense (can you imagine the consequences for all the union workers at Boeing, Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics, McDonald Douglas, etc. etc. etc.). In Illinois (supposedly represented until recently by the new CIC) the unionized employees of Caterpillar will not be happy when their jobs are eliminated because we continue to refuse free trade status to Colombia and Caterpillar loses its second most important market–although I suppose Congress will try to make it up by requiring beneficiaries of the economy “saving” infrastructure program to buy all their equipment from Caterpillar, to the unhappiness of those who work for competing companies). When the folks in congress learn that their constituents would like to be able to turn on the lights and a/c in their homes during the day, not merely at night, and that they would like to turn on the light and a/c in their business after 6 pm, not merely between 8am and 6 pm they will reject an energy policy that makes that impossible until some long-in-the-future date. In short, the insufficiency of money to do everything Obama promised and his worshipers expect to be done, and the negative consequences on congressmen’s constituents that would eventuate from trying to keep those promises hopefully will prevent congress from implementing them. By the same token, there will not be enough money to rebuild the economy, create and maintain jobs, keep people in homes they not only could not afford in the first place but will be unable to afford if “reasonable” modification of their mortgages requires them to pay anything at all ever (which will have to be the case if every other hard-working homeowner is not to be seriously offended), and basically keep enough constituents of a majority of congressmen content. Since Obama spent very little time actually learning how the Senate or congress works (having begun his campaign for the WH virtually immediately upon his election to the Senate), he does not really understand how Washington works (indeed, he campaigned against it and to change it– a respect in which he is more like Sisyphous than Christ). Near the end of his campaign Obama said in substance “the question for voters is not are you better off today than you were 4 years ago, but in four years will you be better off than you are now.” By 2010, and certainly by 2012, the reality that will be apparent to a majority of voters in every State except those inhabited by far left liberals who have already accepted the that poverty, the dole and “victim” status is a worthy way of way of life (VT, RI, ME, MA et al.)that THE ANSWER IS A RESOUNDING “NO”. Hopefully, the GOP will begin to put up candidates for Congress, the Senate and Presidency who are able to convince the public that they have the intelligence and concern for the country as a whole (not as a bunch of special interest constituencies all of which have to be made happy), plus leadership capabilities (different from messianic appeal) to salvage the country and put it back on track so that it can once again be the best (although imperfect as all things necessarily are) country on earth.

Nov 6, 2008 - 6:52 am 160. Chrenkoff Shares his thoughts « I Think ^(Link) Therefore I Err:

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Nov 6, 2008 - 6:57 am 161. susan:

“For your information I have been to Brussels half a dozen times and have visited dozens of other cities, large and small around Europe and lived in several in the UK plus Paris.”

Its quite ridiculous you try to compare your track record of a dozen vacation trips with someone like me who has been living it for decades.

well, maybe from the top suites of the hilton you didn’t see the slumps, that doesn’t mean they aren’t there.

this is an article about it

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1530659/Muslims-are-waging-civil-war-against-us%2C-claims-police-union.html

Paranoid? No, it’s reality, the same thing is happening all over europe from Malmo to Berlin, from amsterdam to Turin.

Muslim gang attacks gay catwalk model
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/?p=7856

Dutch gays are flocking rightward because of the rising cultural and physical threat they perceive from intolerant Muslim immigrants, second generation as much if not more than the first
http://citizenchris.typepad.com/citizenchris/2008/04/gay-dutch-tilti.html

Gays in Eurabia
A Town Square Opinon: Muslim immigrants to Europe are threatening the rights of gays, women and free speech
http://www.metroweekly.com/gauge/commentary.php?ak=2076

You stay in your multicultural bubble, reality is that over a population of 2% muslims, the number of them who go to jail for criminality and especially criminality related to jihad activity is relevant.

Once a month there is a sleeper cell found here and there. After all they managed to blow up things in the UK, more than once and madrid, or your tin foil hat suggests you that it was either an inside job or bush’ fault too?

I pity males who do not understand and refuse to believe this, I guess for people like yourself it’s not a problem to stone women for adultery or perform honor killing, otherwise I do not see what you would gain from a majority muslim country.

It is true indeed that wherever muslims are a majority and it is basically 53-54 countries, there is NO freedom of religion, no muslim country signed the UN declaration of human rights, they only signed a similar document where sharia law is considered the standard to follow. Sharia law mandate the perennal inequality between the muslim and the non muslim, keeping the non muslim in a subordinate position.

If muslims are such a good people why none of their countries has signed the “normal” UN declaration on human rights? the one that USA, japan, Italy, Germany and basically every other western country signed?

What is in your opinion, so wrong in the UN declaration of humanrights to let muslims not sign it? whose fault is this? the jews? bush? who?

You parrot the typical leftist nonsense. “oh when i travel at club mediterranee, the muslim waiter is so kind”.

We should rely on your fairy tales instead of reports of people who live there?

Here’s another one for you. Rape in Scandinavia WAS virtually unexistent until swarms of muslims arrived there.

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

feel free to dismiss EVIDENCE above as right wing conspiracy. I guess until the $hit hits the fan you’ll stay with your head below the sand.

“They are no more a part of Islam than the techiques and crimes of the Spanish inquisition are a part of Christianity.”

please can you report here one single example of how there is nowadays a spanish enquisition in plan?

Honor killings and forced marriages not part of islam? can you make me other examples where honor killings and forced marriages are freely performed and not persecuted in any western country by local population?

“Your hate propaganda tactics against Muslims are the mirror-image of the methods used by nazi germany to dehumanise, segregate and then kill Jews. Your mentality is that of the pogrom, sane people will ignore your shrill cries and continue to live in the real world.”

Actually it’s the other way around. By allowing islam to grow which is a political cult bent on destruction, we will become the new jews. You do not quite get it, but all you can do is that others are hate mongers, without bringing a single evidence that what you say is relevant.

Why do you think the whole europe is voting right? why do you think even extreme right parties are gaining votes everywhere. It’s not the economy stupid. Right parties are trying to stop the mosques from being built because they always catch clips and audios of what is said inside those mosques and it is always “kill the infidel”.

Here are some books/links for you

http://www.dhimmi.com/

http://www.dhimmitude.org/

People like yourself enabled the murder of 6 millions jews. As a matter of fact hitler encountered several times the mufti of jerusalem who was eagerly waiting for the jews extermination.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/pages/2-mufti2_jpg_jpg_jpg.htm

Now I am fed up to lecture you and waste my precious time. Your replies are kumbaya, let’s hug together. My replies are based on facts which I reported.

Do not get back to me again with the bull$hit that you “know” europe because you know nothing.

Feel free to keep the head below the sand. You are part of the legions of useful idiots that lead to the holocaust. The difference now is that the holocaust is performed on non-muslims.

Nov 6, 2008 - 8:05 am 162. Die Fledermaus:

The final link in post #158 was included by mistake. Although it relates to the discussion topic, that relation is not clear without additional context. A more appropriate link is: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/auchi5.html

Sorry for the error.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:32 am 163. jonesy55:

Susan, i’m obviously not going to change your mind, the hate is too deeply ingrained in you.

Why not try actually talking to some muslims in your community, they are normal people like you and me.

You seem to have failed to grasp that I am actually a UK citizen, living in the UK and therefore it is not ridiculous to compare our experiences at all. I work in Birmingham (with many muslims) and previously lived in the Eastern suburbs of Paris (again with a large muslim community).

They are not horned devils as you suppose, why not leave your keyboard for a few moments and get out and talk to people in the real world.

Nov 6, 2008 - 9:56 am 164. Anonymous:

you write
“it is very unlikely that Barack Obama was the change that this wily jihadist could believe in.”

America just proved Osama bin Laden’s thesis that we won’t fight for long, pointing to Viet Nam as proof. America just caved.

Nov 6, 2008 - 10:30 am 165. Steve P.:

Agoraphobic Plumber says: “And please give the specific “lie” that Bush told. I want specifics, with some evidence that he was speaking an untrush with intent to deceive, not “he lied us to war”. Lied about what, EXACTLY? Give me something he said that wasn’t accepted as common knowledge when he said it, and then it turned out he knew otherwise and said it anyway?”

Bush’s assertion on Oct. 7, 2002, that Iraq posed an imminent threat was beaten into the nation’s psyche: “Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof.” Yet the president possessed directly opposing information from the top-secret National Intelligence Estimate(http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB129/nie.pdf), released days earlier. Prepared by the CIA with input from 16 U.S. intelligence agencies: “Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional CBW [chemical and biological weapons] against the United States.”

The declassified summary of the NIE — released by the administration for public and media review shortly after the full report — was another lie in that it was grotesquely altered. The above point in quotations was not included. Also missing were several forceful statements from other intelligence agencies disputing the CIA’s horribly overblown and inaccurate assessments. Finally, in at least half a dozen instances, conclusions were altered to make Iraq’s threat more compelling. Language was added or omitted that changed CIA opinions to incontrovertible facts.

Are we clear?

Nov 6, 2008 - 11:06 am 166. susan:

jonesy 55, you are very very very arrogant. No wonder your ideal person is an arrogant phony like obama

My country doesn’t host a large number of muslims like your uk, thank goodness, and I had the displeasure to be forced to deal with them even on a daily basis. I have worked to teach technical subjects to a variety of immigrants (eastern europe, south american and from muslim countries), so much for you calling me xenophobic.

I have NEVER seen so much contempt for me (a woman or a perceived christian) in any immigrant except from the muslim group. Some of them even refused to talk to me. Why Romanians, Russians, Cubans, Colombians never pulled the same $hit?

And they weren’t forced to attend my class. No such behaviour was exposed by south americans and easter europeans. I don’t have track record of other asians from the south east but I think I have a fair picture of the thing.

I am aware that Al Bee Bee Ceera cover up amounts of filth that are incredible. My press still reports the huge number of actions by muslims that show contempt and unwillingness to integrate in the host country (overwhelming majority christian country).

This goes from voluntary damages to churches and/or religious statues outside churches, imposition of separate swimming lessons, imposition of dietary rules. No similar thing is requested by jews or any other ethic type.

I am happy to say that the majority of those requests are turned down because we are not already DHIMMIFIED like you british are, but still it shows how different this kind of people is from the rest of the immigrant wave.

In general all people are against wild immigration for obvious reasons, but if there was a way to halt muslims and favour non-muslim immigration (east europe, philipines) I am sure people would tolerate better immigration.

After all muslims are the most represented jail population, not philipinos or chineses or easter europeans (which are present in large numbers too).

So I unfortunately had to deal with muslims first hand, other than being harassed on the streets while walking alone. Again by muslims, not by peruvians or romanians.

What do I have to check exactly?

If your muslim friends are kissing your butt it’s because you’re their useful idiot, someone who doesn’t mind the implementation of sharia law.

According to reliable statistic 40% of british muslims want sharia law. and I bet the other 60% was simply lying.

You are a male so you do not care about people openly desrespecting women and you are too stupid to know that under sharia law all infidel are deprived of their rights, not just christians.

BTW the same attitude I found when I travelled extensively in the UK, and the few times I have been in paris.

Why of all the men around, only the muslims are so molest?

When I talked to people in the UK, they did recognized the problem saying that muslims in the western world are granted rights that are not absolutely granted to christians in muslim countries yet, they demand even more rights.

So the problems are there, it’s only stupid deluded like yourself who wants to stay in denial.

You can only be defined coward and spineless.

Do your muslim friends denounce the lack of human rights for non-muslims in their countries?

I bet you don’t even have the guts to ask them.

coward

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:07 pm 167. proud elitist:

Oh, snotty DIE…

Yeah, I make typos. Big whoop.

Two, I do understand my assertion and do not parrot talking points. You say one thing, I say another. But by the virtual fact of AMENDING the Constitution, it demonstrates its fluidity. It is not a static document in terms of its relevance – it is dynamic and an amazing document for its age. It is a profoundly thoughtful document that I am proud to live under.

How can you not think that “conservatives” lost this election? Do you look at electoral maps? I mean the counties, bub. America wanted a change and the conservatives out there, for the most part, weren’t delivering. They focused on the hot-button issues instead of global issues. And it cost them positions and seats across this Nation.

Maybe you, sadly, do not understand “conservatism”. But if your party has any chance of recouping its losses, someone has to be thoughtful and examine what happened, what is going on and what changes need to be made.

I agree that McCain is not the true representative of “Conservative”, but DIE, he was what you got on the Republican ticket this election year. You had a significant number of candidates to choose from and McCain came out on top. How/why is not for me to answer as I am a non-Republican.

But just as people like me had to suck it up and have GeeDub as my President, you can suck it up and have Obama.

Welcome to what many of us suffered through since 2000.

—

Nov 6, 2008 - 12:53 pm 168. view from afar:

Jonsey anonymous whoever you are…I think Susan is way closer to the reality of Europe than you are, plus she I believe is Italian, so is European rather than British. (that is not an insult so please don’t be insulted, but you’ve got to know what I mean having lived elsewhere on the Continent) I lowly être que je suis, am an American. You are ignoring the serious problems because of the muslims, isalmists that you know personally.
Oh and mea culpa, I wasn’t very clear about the equivalant sums of money involved…what personal health care insurance costs as choice factor and the imposed tax that my husband must pay are pretty much equal. Even more so when you take those sums as a percentage of earned income and add onto the fact now in France to have mostly free health care, as not all medications, treatments, and visits are covered, you must also buy a complementary health insurance. This is voluntary, but the government healthcare only covers 65% of your medical costs and your private coverage picks up the rest, if you read the different offers correctly and are willing to pay(nearly an extra third of the government’s charge, and that goes up every year)…this a newer twist on the system, and it keeps changing as no matter how they try to fix the deficit in the healthcare budget, it just keeps getting worse.
On your other points sir, it doesn’t get added to our insurance premiums it gets added to our taxes I believe (help someone I’ve lost track on that point being here in France for 15 years), as the insurance companies and hospitals are not the same…I think there are some monies from Medicare to the hospitals for this, but I do believe that it local taxes that pay these costs, or it is the prices paid by people who have to pay out of pocket their medical care because they don’t qualify for the free care and aren’t covered by their employer, or can’t get coverage for pre-existing conditions. The insurance companies do not pay the same prices as they are able to negotiate lower payments at teh hospital…these payments also get passed on to the out of pocket people…plus let’s just touch on the legal system in the US effect on the cost of medical care, which really does not exist in france as it is very very difficult to sue a doctor or a hospital for malpractice, and from what I have heard it isn’t much easier in the UK…
Finally, yes the US spends huge sums of money to cover only a small percentage in Medicare, Medicaid, because healthcar in the US is of a better quality, although I believe that may be coming into question now, as the prices go up and the coverages get less and less…therefore it is more expensive…and I unlike your lists of where you have lived, have lived in both the US and France so I think I know a little bit, and I mean a little bit of what I am talking about…if I do need to know more, I can get that knowledge from family and friends in both places, it would be fun to discuss the pros and cons of both systems but I am tired have to work and so am heading off to bed. Susan thank you for having such a great spirit, I don’t know you but really relate to you from your posts, wish you lived nearer to me just so it wouldn’t be so lonely..
Proud elitist, please realize from the lack of right wing media buffs running into court today screaming it’s unfair it’s unfair and making the US into the laughing stock of the world for our cheating democratic system…that maybe alot of us right wingers actually are gracious losers and are only here crying amoungst ourselves, and that you elitist, are butting in? Plus, we aren’t suffering yet, you are still, Mr Bush is still our President until January, k? And even he is a better loser than his hick predecessor…and I don’t care if I spelled tha twrong sound it out and you may understand good night.

Nov 6, 2008 - 3:56 pm 169. Die Fledermaus:

“Oh, snotty DIE…”
Your wit is simply too sharp. No one could hope to prevail against it.

“Yeah, I make typos. Big whoop.”
Yeah, you do, but it’s your cognitive errors that are the real problem.

“Two, I do understand my assertion and do not parrot talking points. You say one thing, I say another. But by the virtual fact of AMENDING the Constitution, it demonstrates its fluidity. It is not a static document in terms of its relevance – it is dynamic and an amazing document for its age. It is a profoundly thoughtful document that I am proud to live under.”
At least you didn’t refer to it as “living.” I have to say I’m intrigued by the notion of a “virtual fact.” I’ll bet an explanation of the difference between one of those and an actual fact would be very enlightening. And, so far, the substantive difference between you and a parrot is that most parrots don’t type as poorly.

“How can you not think that ‘conservatives’ lost this election? Do you look at electoral maps? I mean the counties, bub.”
U.S. Representatives are elected according to districts, not counties. Had you examined Tuesday’s election results, you’d have seen that my earlier statement was accurate. Moderate Republicans lost their seats; Republicans who ran on conservative platforms retained theirs. Moderates lost because there’s so little difference between them and Democrats, which was a point I attempted to make twice before. Ah, well, some planks are just too dense. Reagan was our last conservative president. Neither Bush even appeared on the radar screen in comparison. Conservatives haven’t been in power in congress since 2000, when the milquetoast Rockefeller branch assumed the mantle. That’s the same year your suffering began, isn’t it? Gee, I wonder if there could be a connection there… Conservatives didn’t lose Tuesday simply because they weren’t running the show. They will again, though. They’ll be the ones left standing after the Obamatrons fly the country into the landscape, and conservatives will be the ones who have to reassemble the pieces – again.

“Maybe you, sadly, do not understand ‘conservatism’.”
Yeah, that must be it. I don’t understand conservatism, and you, the Kucinich groupie with the “living document” delusion, do. Yours is the first actual laser-brain I’ve encountered. Can you reveal what ranks you and Dennis hold in Star Fleet, or is that too big a secret?

“I agree that McCain is not the true representative of “Conservative”, but DIE, he was what you got on the Republican ticket this election year. You had a significant number of candidates to choose from and McCain came out on top. How/why is not for me to answer as I am a non-Republican.”
As I stated before, clearly, McCain wouldn’t even appear on most conservatives’ lists of potential candidates. You assume I’m Republican on the basis of my not swallowing The One’s BS. Perhaps mental lapses are a koolaid side-effect, I don’t know. I suppose koolaid would make that BS taste better, though.

“But just as people like me had to suck it up and have GeeDub as my President, you can suck it up and have Obama.”
Suck whatever blows your skirt up, cupcake. As for me, I’ll skip the defeatist self-pity party. Obama will be the president, that’s a fact. I’ll agree with him when he’s right, say it loud and clear when he’s not, and resist his misguided efforts as best I can – as I’ve done during the Bush and all prior administrations. The One will be our first dyed-in-the-wool, America-hating Marxist, however, and that will necessitate much closer scrutiny than in the past. I anticipate a LOT more tooth-and-nail fighting ahead. You can rely on conservatives, as opposed to Republicans, to hold up their end.

“Welcome to what many of us suffered through since 2000.”
You poor things. Was it as bad as the time that bully took your Twinkies?

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:47 pm 170. susan:

thank you view from afar

You can also add, no republican is out rioting in the street.

What about a mcCain win?

One point about socialized medicine (although i do not want to enter the subject).

I read that some states (one is Hawaii for example) TRIED the socialized medicine.

Those “experiments” turned out to be failures that wasted a lot of money.

After those examples who in his right mind wants socialized medicine for the whole country?

You made experiments and every state you tried it, it failed, what more evidence do you need?

Nov 6, 2008 - 5:55 pm 171. tabacman:

Suffer like you did under GW?! Ha that’s funny stuff.

I didn’t suffer a bit under Clinton (and I didn’t vote for him) nor Carter before him.
I did pay more – and yes it hurt – but if that’s the price then I will take it.

I won’t suffer a minute under Obama – I will relish with great glee the “hope and change” that he will bring to the great unwashed that so lifted him. Fascinating this experiment called America – a guilt rending expungement of long dead racism combined with brazen new marketing experiment for boilerplate christian socialism and the slickest entrenchment of politics into the free market glitz machine one has ever seen. Now we put the tires on the Ferrari lets see how she rolls on the REAL roads.

I personally will dislike almost everything the guy is going to do politically and in execution of his office – but he won and my side abandoned their core principles to boot. He has the stick and will use it I’m sure.

Conservative movement in the Republican party is dead. There will be new one – the ideas are right and never really die – they just move over to allow the heretics face time.

I hereby submit that the Republican Party change its name to the Unwilling Christian Democrats and have done with it. The libertarians will have to purge their fringe and make room for mainstream conservatives. Left and CenterLeft are what we have now. Wrong and not what America is – but not the end of the world. Like I said an interesting experiment for the next 4, 8 and 12 years… I will watch and enjoy it immensely and thank my lucky stars I was born here and not in many other places.

Nov 6, 2008 - 6:33 pm 172. Horace Wells:

susan
Thanks for your refreshingly stale insight, but were any democrats rioting in 04 or 00? Oh, that’s right, you read some column from an NOI mouthpiece which you artfully twisted into DNC policy.

As far as socialized medicine, we already have Medicaid, Medicare, Rx Drug plan, SCHIP, et al, plus the VA network. So if you are fighting socialized medicine, you are in a castle whose walls have been breached and the diehards are hold up in the citadel for the last stand.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:36 pm 173. Horace Wells:

MADRAD
you got any more simple minded epithets or lies to throw around? Maybe you should pack up and move to Argentina or something?

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:38 pm 174. Horace Wells:

BeJay
I realize that you are too dense to understand the electoral system, but whoever wins the popular vote in a state wins the state and its electoral votes. So take your MSM baiting trash and save it for your fellow dittoheads at your training school.

Nov 6, 2008 - 7:47 pm 175. susan:

horace, in 2000 and 2004 there was no loosing black democrat.

Black people have promised mayhem for 2008 for anything else than an obama victory.

I do not care about your socialized medicine. I live already in a country that has it and I can see its failures, we cope with it because we have also the chance to go private. Also we are a smaller country with a smaller population and health care is a huge chunk of the budget, always in red.

Your rebuttal of my point doesn’t make sense, the experiment in Hawaii is a sample on a small scale and small terrotory. Medicare and medicaid dont cover the whole population.

I cannot see how you think that nowadays having healthcare for 300 million ppl will not cause bankrupcy. It will.

Private health care is heavy but at least it teaches people to be careful with their money and be responsible.

Socialized medicine is for the failed individuals unable to be responsible in constant need of the nanny state. It’s wrong to educate citizen to remain children forever.

Nov 7, 2008 - 4:14 am 176. Jonesy55:

“I cannot see how you think that nowadays having healthcare for 300 million ppl will not cause bankrupcy. It will.

Private health care is heavy but at least it teaches people to be careful with their money and be responsible.

Socialized medicine is for the failed individuals unable to be responsible in constant need of the nanny state. It’s wrong to educate citizen to remain children forever.
”

Actually Susan, in every country that has ’socialised’ medicine, the amounts spent are far lower than the amounts spent on healthcare in the US.

It may surprise you to learn but the US government already spends more per head on ’socialised’ medicine than most Western European governments.

Here you go, first government expenditure per head (figures from the OECD)

Luxembourg 4851
Norway 3647
USA 2884
Iceland 2842
France 2693
Austria 2665
Denmark 2614
Germany 2527
Switzerland 2493
Sweden 2469
Belgium 2451
United Kingdom 2371
Canada 2337
Ireland 2281
Australia 2110
Italy 1938
Japan 1927
Netherlands 1927
New Zealand 1829
Finland 1813
Spain 1609
Portugal 1478
Czech Rep 1310
Greece 1277
Hungary 942
Slovakia 846
Korea 698
Poland 601
Turkey 418
Mexico 307

and then private expenditure per head

USA 3517
Greece 1703
Switzerland 1684
Australia 1018
Netherlands 1015
Canada 989
Belgium 914
Austria 854
Germany 760
Norway 717
France 680
Spain 646
Ireland 644
Korea 620
Iceland 602
Italy 593
Portugal 556
Finland 518
New Zealand 514
Luxembourg 501
Denmark 494
Sweden 449
Japan 431
Hungary 394
Mexico 368
United Kingdom 352
Slovakia 291
Poland 265
Czech Rep 168
Turkey 168

and add them both together to get total expenditure per head.

USA 6401
Luxembourg 5352
Norway 4364
Switzerland 4177
Austria 3519
Iceland 3443
Belgium 3389
France 3374
Canada 3326
Germany 3287
Australia 3128
Denmark 3108
Netherlands 3094
Greece 2981
Ireland 2926
Sweden 2918
United Kingdom 2724
Italy 2532
Japan 2358
New Zealand 2343
Finland 2331
Spain 2255
Portugal 2033
Czech Rep 1479
Hungary 1337
Korea 1318
Slovakia 1137
Poland 867
Mexico 675
Turkey 586

As you can see, the USA spends far more per head than all other developed countries, both in dollar terms and as a % of GDP, the average employer providing insurance pays $12,000 per employee to cover his/her family, this is a huge burden of the competitiveness of US businesses and the rapidly rising costs are one factor keeping wage growth in the US down.

Nov 7, 2008 - 5:55 am 177. MADRAD:

Horace

Sure I got a ton of them…with the documentation to boot. If you would get off your lazy a@# and actually look at the records objectively you just might agree with some of us. Alas, you are blinded by the One. And, I’m not moving though, I am too busy getting my mortgage and gas receipts ready so Obambi Messiah can pay for them!

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:02 am 178. susan:

And you think that putting health care entirely on the federal budges will decrease costs?

You are deluded.

And what about the quality of services?

After socialized medicine takes place your numbers will look like this

USA 28840
Luxembourg 4851
Norway 3647

Why you are so against the fact that there could be a country that uses a different system?

You have no ground to say that socialized medicine is “better”. It is probably the right choice for a number of countries for several reasons, but there is NOT a single reply that is good for everybody.

You didn’t convince me

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:16 am 179. MADRAD:

Here is another “simple minded epithets or lie” that I can throw around, mainly for Horace but please feel free to jump on the bandwagon.

Did you know that if the One applied for a government job that required a security clearance, he would have been rejected on the grounds of past associations and admitted drug use? And you all picked this idiot as your President…….nice……….

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:17 am 180. Jonesy55:

Susan says

“And what about the quality of services?

After socialized medicine takes place your numbers will look like this

USA 28840
Luxembourg 4851
Norway 3647

Why you are so against the fact that there could be a country that uses a different system?

You have no ground to say that socialized medicine is “better”. It is probably the right choice for a number of countries for several reasons, but there is NOT a single reply that is good for everybody.

You didn’t convince me”

I’m not saying that every country has to use the same system, it’s the American people who have voted for it, even John McCain was campaigning for a form of socialised medicine.

You’re not convinced, that’s your right, i’m just presenting the facts that say the US system is by far the world’s most expensive and that those countries that provide universal taxpayer funded care have much lower bills.

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:34 am 181. view from afar:

Jonsey, you aren’t telling the whole story! American medical expenses are greater because the malpractice insurance of US doctors is outrageous, as you can sue a doctor for coughing when you’re in his office…you are throwing around a bunch of empty statistics, without explaining what the figures cover, (for instance, are deficits included in these sums-doubt it-I believe that it’s what is spent in the government’s budget that is quoted) who is covered (insurance in the US usually covers wife/husband/kids or whatever is legal, since you like to be PC, whereas here in france everyindividual adult is covered separately and taxed separately)so be careful of what you are comparing, there are advantages and disadvantages both here and in the US. However I will have a very hard time ever believing that the best choice for the world is when government’s run healthcare…and your point is well taken the US is incapable of having low-cost healthcare, whether it’s run by the government or by private insurance companies. And US salaries tend to be pretty high especially when you compare them to France.

ANd now for something completely different: this morning on the radio there was some guy in the Tarn -et-Garonne(a French department) that works for an American company(Modec, or something like that) has a plant here in France that is moving to Slovenia, and guess what: its the horribly typical greedy capitalistic Americans and Barrack Obama didn’t save this guys job, and the worst part is the balance sheet showed a profit…nothing has changed, and we Americans aren’t going to be better liked, so much for that argument shot down out of the sky-and no time won’t heal this at all, I can’t link as everyhting is in french, but my husband told me a French pundit on TF1 yesterday was trying to point out the obvious that Obama is the President of the United States and at some point maybe the Europeans have got to give up that the Americans aren’t going to act first in their own best interests. And to further start my day off great, I heard similar complaints three times on this radio station this morning( my husband insists on this station, I change it, he changes it back) Needless to say, it’s going to be a long 4 years)

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:47 am 182. jonesy55:

viewfromafar,

Governments don’t have to run healthcare to have universal coverage, they can give the population vouchers to get their own medical insurance in the private sector, that would be my personal choice, a bit like John McCains plan I think.

Sad to hear about that guy in Tarn et Garonne, it’s true that the Slovenian economy has been doing very well over the past few years though, it’s a great little country in many ways, i’d recommend a visit there if you ever get the chance.

Link if you like, my french is pretty good so it’s not a problem, just don’t link anything in german or I won’t have a clue! lol.

Nov 7, 2008 - 9:49 am 183.   Arthur Chrenkoff Has Predictions For The Next Four Years — Just Some Poor Schmuck:

[...] The United States of Audacity Confetti has now been swept away by illegal migrant cleaners, balloons have deflated faster than the economy, and suicide pills in case the unthinkable happened have been flushed down the toilets by liberals around the country (except for those few who have kept theirs in case America emerges victorious from Iraq). The wheel has turned, history was made — even if not particularly emphatically by historical standards — and the cliché count among the commentating class has surpassed the number of foreclosures in California and Arizona combined.Now is perhaps a good time for several quick predictions for the next four years [...]

Nov 7, 2008 - 7:11 pm 184. Amazed in GA:

If I have this straight, most of you are aching for “revenge” because people objected to being screwed by Bush for the last 7-1/2 years (I’m not rich). And how will you get this revenge?

Why, we’ll go back to PLAN A and treat Pres. Obama the same way that we did Pres. Clinton: a continuous stream of paranoid accusations backed up with zero evidence, hoping for an ever-expanding “investigation” that will convince normal folks that the bullshit is real. Maybe Scaife will even finance this fantasy trip again.

Or you could grow up and accept that: (a) you started this BS back in 1992, (b) Bush is at best a retard and at worst a crime family leader, and (c) your kind of “patriotism” has nearly destroyed this country. Grow up!

P.S.: You don’t seem to win very often by running geezers like Dole and McSame. True, it worked with Reagan (one trick pony, I’d say).

P.S.S.: I support equal rights for Fundo-Americans, no more or less. Even the right to whine!

Nov 8, 2008 - 2:11 am 185. weirdone:

Well Barack Obama won; I wish him well but have little faith that if enacted his stated policies will improve conditions in the country. The first thing that will happen is the so called “Bush Tax Cuts” will be allowed to expire: raising taxes in an economic down turn has never been a good idea and will only increase the downward spiral: couple that with his stated intent to increase the Capital Gains tax (not because it will increase revenues but because it will be “Fairer”) and corporate taxes and foreign/domestic investment will slow if not grind to a halt. Next the ban on drilling in ANWAR and off shore USA will be extended, or made permanent, further restricting fuel supplies, when new greener energy sources are admittedly 10 years away; another drag on the economy. Then a windfall profits tax will be enacted further restricting oil and gas exploration and further limiting oil and gas production. A Cap and Trade CO2 bill will be passed to “Bankrupt the Coal Companies” and the subsidy on corn based ethanol will be doubled requiring us to burn more of the food supply. The price of fuel, electricity and food will skyrocket causing further constriction of the domestic economy; and since we are the market to the world, a world wide slowdown will accelerate. If he insists on renegotiating trade agreements with Canada etc. trade will flow to Europe and elsewhere further depressing the US economy. Canada has already begun negotiations with the EU because of his stated intent to do so. These are the types of things that occurred after the market crashed in 1929 that led to a world wide Depression that didn’t end until WW2 (not a good option) brought us out of it.

Having taken care of the most pressing domestic problems the Democrats in Congress will turn to other promises made during the campaign. A 100 billion stimulus package will be passed and the RPM’s of the money presses will be increased to pay for it. The effect of the stimulus will be no greater than the first package, negligible, but the poor and middle class will feel better as the wealth is spread around. Never mind that the increase in the money supply will further erode the value of the dollar, already down against most foreign currencies. Will he pursue the nearly 1 trillion in new programs and spending that he has proposed in light of a 4 to 7 hundred billion dollar predicted budget short fall and a Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid deficit that threaten to bankrupt the nation, or will it be put it off in hopes of improving economic conditions?
Not satisfied with the de facto nationalization of the financial industry a National Health Care Bill will be passed taking over another 25% of the economy. Unemployment insurance payments will be extended and the minimum wage will be tied to inflation and allowed to increase every year by a corresponding percentage. Small businesses will begin to close or lay off employees and the economy will go into free fall. Because of the lost revenue due to the severe economic downturn the Democratic majority in Congress will look around for new sources of revenue and their eyes will land on 401k accounts where billions of dollars of private money are “languishing”. In October Congressional hearings led by Rep. George Miller, D-CA proposed eliminating 80 billion dollars in tax brakes on existing 401k accounts by moving money from tax deferred to taxed accounts. This is all smoke and mirrors of course because the tax on these account is paid when the money is withdrawn and depending on how the legislation is written could result in taxes being paid twice on the same account. The Democrats are ever resourceful in their search for other people’s money. I have also heard rumblings of designs on the billions of dollars that University and College Trust Funds have “languishing” in their accounts.
While all this is going on the Democrats stated assault on the Constitution will begin. Although, “I have always believed that an individual has a right own a gun,” further gun laws will be implemented. (“The 2nd Amendment guarantees the right to own a gun but it says nothing about ammunition.”) The so called “Fairness Doctrine” will be reinstituted and taxes and regulation will be placed on the internet to further stifle dissent. (1st Amendment) Dozens of lower court Judges and perhaps as many as three Supreme Court Judges will be appointed who will rule not on the law and judicial precedent but on how they feel about the issues, or empathy for those poor or minority people who come before the court. (“These are the type of Judges I will appoint.”) Is this not the epitome of Judicial Activism and Legislating form the bench?

At some point I would also expect an attempt to repeal the 22nd Amendment.

In the area of foreign policy I believe that Vice President Joe Biden is correct in his assumption that the new President will be tested and found wanting. Where and by whom I don’t know but I can think of several scenarios. Perhaps the Israelis will strike Iran’s nuclear facilities, a move they deem vital to their continued existence. How will a President Obama react to such a move? Would he continue to support Israel or abandon the only real allies we have in the area? Perhaps Russia will make further moves into countries of the old USSR as they have done in Georgia. How would a President Obama deal with that when he has previously only called for restraint on the part of Russia? Perhaps the Chinese would find this an opportune time to settle their claims on Taiwan. Would a President Obama go to the aid of a country that we have long said we would defend? What if Kim Jung Ill decided to reunite the Koreas? And what will he do in Iraq where he has said he would pull out immediately, or set a time table for pulling out, or pull out when the situation on the ground warrants or…
Will he and his Vice President continue to push Obama’s “Global Poverty Act” (S.2433) through the Congress? The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product per year on UN foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 10 year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends.
In August Barack Obama referred to himself as a citizen of the world. In light of that and the above proposed legislation it seems to me he is willing to subvert American Foreign Policy to the whims of an Anti American UN that already gets over 25% of its support from the USA.
What will a President Obama, in the middle of the war on terror, do regarding the military? Will he make the devastating cuts that he promised early in the campaign or increase the over all troop numbers by 40,000 as he said last week? Time will tell.

Nov 9, 2008 - 4:48 pm 186. weirdone:

MADRAD: I buy flag stamps by the hundred lot and have been displaying them upside down since the first Clinton administration and will continue to do so.

Nov 9, 2008 - 4:55 pm 187. spadeaspade:

Paraphrasing Ayatollah Khatami of Iran

‘Despite the slogan of change in America, our people have not changed. Our slogan remains: Death to America’

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1920.htm

Nov 19, 2008 - 11:06 pm 188. spadeaspade:

The wild idealism of change that has swept the USA have not reached the Middle East. The cruel reality of hatred remains.

Paraphrasing Ayatollah Khatami of Iran:
‘Despite the slogan of change in America, our people have not changed. Our slogan remains: Death to America’

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1920.htm

Nov 19, 2008 - 11:09 pm

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