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		<title>By: RAH</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the_new_blacklist_excerpt/comment-page-1/#comment-85195</link>
		<dc:creator>RAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Movies were horrible in the 1970&#039;s with the emphasis on the antihero. Then a classic story of good vs. evil space opera called Star Wars came out and I remember just enjoying a good fun story. My friends and I tried to analyze why we enjoyed it so much. Basically it was a movie where you cheered the good guys and the charming rogue who were the underdogs and won.

Many of you have said why is there not a competitive media/ entertainment from the right. That competitor already exists and it is the video games. Please note the wild success of Call of Duty 4 in 2007 at  $50 a game. That game sold over 7 million units. That is action/war game and has clear identities of good guys and bad guys.  The Halo games have continued to be successful and the entire 13-25 year old male demographic buys the game

Video games are so profitable that the studios that develop them could buy out the Hollywood studios. But Hollywood is not aware that they are the competition in a new media form, just like print media did not recognize the Internet and bloggers as the competition until it is too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Movies were horrible in the 1970&#8217;s with the emphasis on the antihero. Then a classic story of good vs. evil space opera called Star Wars came out and I remember just enjoying a good fun story. My friends and I tried to analyze why we enjoyed it so much. Basically it was a movie where you cheered the good guys and the charming rogue who were the underdogs and won.</p>
<p>Many of you have said why is there not a competitive media/ entertainment from the right. That competitor already exists and it is the video games. Please note the wild success of Call of Duty 4 in 2007 at  $50 a game. That game sold over 7 million units. That is action/war game and has clear identities of good guys and bad guys.  The Halo games have continued to be successful and the entire 13-25 year old male demographic buys the game</p>
<p>Video games are so profitable that the studios that develop them could buy out the Hollywood studios. But Hollywood is not aware that they are the competition in a new media form, just like print media did not recognize the Internet and bloggers as the competition until it is too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Bailey Yankee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bailey Yankee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi. Coming to this a bit late!  But I would like to add a comment to Pat/Roger regarding the reason left-wing morality movies don&#039;t sell. I believe they do, indeed, have passion behind them: the passion of hate. And the audience, many of whom do not agree with the message of the film, clearly see themselves as objects of that hate. These movies scream: &quot;If you weren&#039;t so stupid, you&#039;d see the truth! I hate you!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Coming to this a bit late!  But I would like to add a comment to Pat/Roger regarding the reason left-wing morality movies don&#8217;t sell. I believe they do, indeed, have passion behind them: the passion of hate. And the audience, many of whom do not agree with the message of the film, clearly see themselves as objects of that hate. These movies scream: &#8220;If you weren&#8217;t so stupid, you&#8217;d see the truth! I hate you!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: George Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 03:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, those Hollywood liberals hate conservatives.  I mean, that show &quot;24&quot; , run by an outspoken conservative never got picked up beyond a first season because those lefties hate that kind of thing.



Patricia Heaton, an outspoken Republican, wasn&#039;t she fired from &quot;Everybody Loves Raymond&quot; as soon as those pinkos found out about her politics?  There&#039;s no way they would keep her on until the end of the show&#039;s run.  And someone like her would never be hired by those commies to star in a new sitcom this season.



And what about Tom Selleck?  That Republican can&#039;t get any work.  He certainly wouldn&#039;t be back on TV on that show &quot;Las Vegas&quot; because everyone knows conservatives are blacklisted in Hollywood.



Heck, there&#039;s no way a Republican actor could work for years on &quot;Law &amp; Order&quot; or announce his candidacy for President on a show produced in Hollyweird by a bunch of lefties.



Thank God for this accurate book.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, those Hollywood liberals hate conservatives.  I mean, that show &#8220;24&#8243; , run by an outspoken conservative never got picked up beyond a first season because those lefties hate that kind of thing.</p>
<p>Patricia Heaton, an outspoken Republican, wasn&#8217;t she fired from &#8220;Everybody Loves Raymond&#8221; as soon as those pinkos found out about her politics?  There&#8217;s no way they would keep her on until the end of the show&#8217;s run.  And someone like her would never be hired by those commies to star in a new sitcom this season.</p>
<p>And what about Tom Selleck?  That Republican can&#8217;t get any work.  He certainly wouldn&#8217;t be back on TV on that show &#8220;Las Vegas&#8221; because everyone knows conservatives are blacklisted in Hollywood.</p>
<p>Heck, there&#8217;s no way a Republican actor could work for years on &#8220;Law &amp; Order&#8221; or announce his candidacy for President on a show produced in Hollyweird by a bunch of lefties.</p>
<p>Thank God for this accurate book.</p>
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		<title>By: Brown Line</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brown Line</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 14:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bugs wrote, &quot;The reason nobody wants to watch anti-war movies is that they are redundant.&quot;

Bugs, with all due respect, I think that&#039;s not it. It doesn&#039;t matter if the message is as old as the hills, as long as the story is compelling.

Consider &lt;i&gt;Casablanca&lt;/i&gt;. What&#039;s its political message? That Nazis are bad.  Well, that&#039;s a pretty redundant message: we all know that walking into the theater. And the fact is, in many ways it&#039;s a silly, artificial movie - for example, Ingrid Bergman is the best dressed refugee I&#039;ve ever seen.

So what makes &lt;i&gt;Casablanca&lt;/i&gt; work, apart from the skill with which it&#039;s told? I think it&#039;s the fact that it isn&#039;t just &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; something: it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; something as well. &lt;i&gt;Casablanca&lt;/i&gt; wasn&#039;t just against the Nazis: it was for the Allies; but even more, it was for simple human decency, as represented by the love story and by the sacrifice that Rick makes for the woman he loves and the man he admires.

Well, will someone please tell me what the current wave of anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-America movies are &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt;? They can&#039;t be for the Islamofascists; that&#039;s too nuts even for Hollywood. The only possible position they can take, without being utterly false, is &quot;a plague on both your houses&quot;. Their message is that nothing is worth fighting for, that no cause can be believed in, that virtue is a fake and ideals are lies.

With all due respect, Roger, but I think that the makers of these films believe in them sincerely. The problem is that the makers believe in cynicism. However, the movies, like all art, doesn&#039;t just portray the world as it is. Art presents ideals as well - it portrays, or at least hints at, the world as it should be. Art without ideals, an art without vision, in fact is no art at all. These movies are animated corpses, artistic works without art. Who wants to plunk down $10 for that?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bugs wrote, &#8220;The reason nobody wants to watch anti-war movies is that they are redundant.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bugs, with all due respect, I think that&#8217;s not it. It doesn&#8217;t matter if the message is as old as the hills, as long as the story is compelling.</p>
<p>Consider <i>Casablanca</i>. What&#8217;s its political message? That Nazis are bad.  Well, that&#8217;s a pretty redundant message: we all know that walking into the theater. And the fact is, in many ways it&#8217;s a silly, artificial movie &#8211; for example, Ingrid Bergman is the best dressed refugee I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
<p>So what makes <i>Casablanca</i> work, apart from the skill with which it&#8217;s told? I think it&#8217;s the fact that it isn&#8217;t just <i>against</i> something: it&#8217;s <i>for</i> something as well. <i>Casablanca</i> wasn&#8217;t just against the Nazis: it was for the Allies; but even more, it was for simple human decency, as represented by the love story and by the sacrifice that Rick makes for the woman he loves and the man he admires.</p>
<p>Well, will someone please tell me what the current wave of anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-America movies are <i>for</i>? They can&#8217;t be for the Islamofascists; that&#8217;s too nuts even for Hollywood. The only possible position they can take, without being utterly false, is &#8220;a plague on both your houses&#8221;. Their message is that nothing is worth fighting for, that no cause can be believed in, that virtue is a fake and ideals are lies.</p>
<p>With all due respect, Roger, but I think that the makers of these films believe in them sincerely. The problem is that the makers believe in cynicism. However, the movies, like all art, doesn&#8217;t just portray the world as it is. Art presents ideals as well &#8211; it portrays, or at least hints at, the world as it should be. Art without ideals, an art without vision, in fact is no art at all. These movies are animated corpses, artistic works without art. Who wants to plunk down $10 for that?</p>
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		<title>By: bgates</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 07:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For the most part, Republicans are lousy filmmakers.&quot;

A bit like saying &quot;for the most part, black people are lousy Secretaries of State&quot; - the examples to date have been mediocre, but hardly enough to generalize.

Besides, what political party can fill in the blank, &quot;for the most part, ___ are outstanding filmmakers&quot;?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For the most part, Republicans are lousy filmmakers.&#8221;</p>
<p>A bit like saying &#8220;for the most part, black people are lousy Secretaries of State&#8221; &#8211; the examples to date have been mediocre, but hardly enough to generalize.</p>
<p>Besides, what political party can fill in the blank, &#8220;for the most part, ___ are outstanding filmmakers&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: MagicalPat</title>
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		<dc:creator>MagicalPat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 06:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;But some of it is due to this uncomfortable truth: For the most part, Republicans are lousy filmmakers.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think this is true for the same reason that so many current liberal films are horrible. They put politics before entertainment. They twist the art form in order to preach their gospel. It is obvious and annoying.

John Stewart is a funny man who happens to be liberal. I imagine that comedic effect is his first priority, politics coming in second. If he put politics first, the comedy would suffer.

I went to a few tapings of the Fox half hour comedy hour. It was funniest when they did not insist on every joke having to reflect a conservative viewpoint. Unfortunately, they did not do enough of this.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i><strong>But some of it is due to this uncomfortable truth: For the most part, Republicans are lousy filmmakers.</strong></i></p></blockquote>
<p>I think this is true for the same reason that so many current liberal films are horrible. They put politics before entertainment. They twist the art form in order to preach their gospel. It is obvious and annoying.</p>
<p>John Stewart is a funny man who happens to be liberal. I imagine that comedic effect is his first priority, politics coming in second. If he put politics first, the comedy would suffer.</p>
<p>I went to a few tapings of the Fox half hour comedy hour. It was funniest when they did not insist on every joke having to reflect a conservative viewpoint. Unfortunately, they did not do enough of this.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to follow up on Thomas&#039; remarks above that Hollywood wouldn&#039;t make a movie like &quot;Air Force One or &quot;Independence Day&quot; right now -- when Bill Pullman starred as the heroic president, the producers of that movie debuted it in the summer of 1996, just before the Clinton-Dole election. Eight years later, the same producers in the run up to the 2004 election came out with &quot;The Day After Tomorrow&quot; with, shall we say, a slightly less flattering portrayal of our national political leaders. And guess which picture did better at the box office?



It&#039;s interesting that the higher percentage of openly non-doctrinaire liberal Hollywood stars over the years seem to have come from the action/adventure genre -- Arnold, Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Chuck Norris, and going back to John Wayne and Steve McQueen. Sly Stallone may not be part of that group, but a check of his campaign donations over the years shows Ds and Rs in the bunch.



Virtually all of them didn&#039;t &quot;come out&quot; until after their careers were going strong, but as the pro-U.S. movies of the 1990s showed, their success and the type of film they&#039;ve been involved with can be made by anyone, liberal or conservative, and there&#039;s no question it&#039;s been tried by liberals, such as with the recent Bourne movies. But none of those stars has reached the same iconic status, and the reason in large part may be the types of action films they choose tend to reflect their own political beliefs -- i.e. the U.S. sucks if there&#039;s an R in the White House -- while the public wants to see movies that at the very least, don&#039;t care who&#039;s in charge in Washington. They just don&#039;t want to see their beliefs and their own society trashed just because of the result of the last political election.



Wanna-be action stars who choose their material based on how they feel about the people in charge of the government face a dilemma -- they can do a pro-U.S. movie when someone like Bush is in the White House, and risk antagonizing their friends and possibly sabotaging their future career if the film bombs, or they can go with the general flow in Hollywood and make movies where the U.S. military, the CIA, or some big domestic corporation is the supreme evil and maintain their standing in the film colony, even as they churn out film after film that underperforms at the box office.



As much as Hollywood likes to make money, you&#039;d think that would trumph politics in the minds of at least one or two studio execs, but it doesn&#039;t. And if someone like Giuliani or even part-time actor Fred Thompson wins next year, don&#039;t expect &quot;Independence Day II&quot; to be showing up in theaters any time before 2014.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to follow up on Thomas&#8217; remarks above that Hollywood wouldn&#8217;t make a movie like &#8220;Air Force One or &#8220;Independence Day&#8221; right now &#8212; when Bill Pullman starred as the heroic president, the producers of that movie debuted it in the summer of 1996, just before the Clinton-Dole election. Eight years later, the same producers in the run up to the 2004 election came out with &#8220;The Day After Tomorrow&#8221; with, shall we say, a slightly less flattering portrayal of our national political leaders. And guess which picture did better at the box office?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the higher percentage of openly non-doctrinaire liberal Hollywood stars over the years seem to have come from the action/adventure genre &#8212; Arnold, Bruce Willis, Tom Selleck, Chuck Norris, and going back to John Wayne and Steve McQueen. Sly Stallone may not be part of that group, but a check of his campaign donations over the years shows Ds and Rs in the bunch.</p>
<p>Virtually all of them didn&#8217;t &#8220;come out&#8221; until after their careers were going strong, but as the pro-U.S. movies of the 1990s showed, their success and the type of film they&#8217;ve been involved with can be made by anyone, liberal or conservative, and there&#8217;s no question it&#8217;s been tried by liberals, such as with the recent Bourne movies. But none of those stars has reached the same iconic status, and the reason in large part may be the types of action films they choose tend to reflect their own political beliefs &#8212; i.e. the U.S. sucks if there&#8217;s an R in the White House &#8212; while the public wants to see movies that at the very least, don&#8217;t care who&#8217;s in charge in Washington. They just don&#8217;t want to see their beliefs and their own society trashed just because of the result of the last political election.</p>
<p>Wanna-be action stars who choose their material based on how they feel about the people in charge of the government face a dilemma &#8212; they can do a pro-U.S. movie when someone like Bush is in the White House, and risk antagonizing their friends and possibly sabotaging their future career if the film bombs, or they can go with the general flow in Hollywood and make movies where the U.S. military, the CIA, or some big domestic corporation is the supreme evil and maintain their standing in the film colony, even as they churn out film after film that underperforms at the box office.</p>
<p>As much as Hollywood likes to make money, you&#8217;d think that would trumph politics in the minds of at least one or two studio execs, but it doesn&#8217;t. And if someone like Giuliani or even part-time actor Fred Thompson wins next year, don&#8217;t expect &#8220;Independence Day II&#8221; to be showing up in theaters any time before 2014.</p>
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		<title>By: TBinSTL</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At what point will there be enough people on this new blacklist that they can band together and make their own work?
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		<title>By: RES</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a fourth response to the ritualized Bush Bash, albeit somewhat risky and difficult: subversion. Responses such as &quot;Where did you hear/read that?&quot; or &quot;Wonder what he meant.&quot; open avenues to plant seeds for the subversion of the dominant paradigm.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a fourth response to the ritualized Bush Bash, albeit somewhat risky and difficult: subversion. Responses such as &#8220;Where did you hear/read that?&#8221; or &#8220;Wonder what he meant.&#8221; open avenues to plant seeds for the subversion of the dominant paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Howard432</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 15:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of you should pay attention to the commie admired commie movies of the thirties and forties.  I defy you to find a commie message in them, yet they were universally praised by communists of the time.  Try &quot;Body and Soul&quot; &quot;Force of Evil&quot; and others made by the &quot;Hollywood Ten.&quot;  This current bunch are just untalented ego driven clods &quot;writing&quot; what the suits want to read.  Lectures, instructions on correct behavior, attacks on our government; there was none of that in the classic commie movies.   That the studios continue to finance and distribute polemics that have zero track record of recovering costs simply means that capitalism ain&#039;t a factor in Hollywood.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of you should pay attention to the commie admired commie movies of the thirties and forties.  I defy you to find a commie message in them, yet they were universally praised by communists of the time.  Try &#8220;Body and Soul&#8221; &#8220;Force of Evil&#8221; and others made by the &#8220;Hollywood Ten.&#8221;  This current bunch are just untalented ego driven clods &#8220;writing&#8221; what the suits want to read.  Lectures, instructions on correct behavior, attacks on our government; there was none of that in the classic commie movies.   That the studios continue to finance and distribute polemics that have zero track record of recovering costs simply means that capitalism ain&#8217;t a factor in Hollywood.</p>
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