Comments on: This July 4, Stand for the Unalienable Rights of the Hondurans

By: vivo

vivo — Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:59:57 +0000

24. Thomas:

Honduras is full of negritos, just like calling you a gringuito.

By: Thomas

Thomas — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:30:51 +0000

@23. vivo:
Tengo un mensaje para Vd. lo que he leido en la prensa:
(I have a message for you I’ve read in the press)

“Enrique Ortez, expresó este domingo que el presidente estadounidense Barack Obama, es un “negrito que no sabe nada de nada”

Short transl.:De facto Foreign Minister: Obama is a black* who does not know anything at all. (He used the diminutive word negrito which is something like “blackie”.

Full Spanish text at:
http://www.telesurtv.net/solotexto/nota/index.php?ckl=53477-NN

By: vivo

vivo — Sun, 05 Jul 2009 05:58:46 +0000

6. Lily:

“Vivo:

You misunderstand, I think. Zelaya was acting in direct conflict with the country’s constitution. The Honduran Constitution expressly forbids not only the extension of the president’s term, but even seeking the extension of that term. That’s how much they fear the ‘president for life’ thing.”

You may be right here because the Honduran Supreme Court was fighting the referendum. I’m not sure if I agree with long presidential terms because in Latin America this means one group gets to enrich themselves more than others. I was just purely referring as Zelaya was following democratic procedures. That’s all I said.

“What you propose is mob rule. Our founding fathers feared mod (sic) rule, which is why they gave us a Republic, not a Democracy. And our Constitution was written to protect individual rights from mob rule – to protect our ‘inalienable’ rights even from a vote of 51%+ of our fellow citizens. The Honduran Constitution is not different in that respect, I think.”

You are right here again. Democracy is pretty much a MOB rule. You said it just so well!

I wasn’t aware we were a Republic and not a Democracy. This is confusing. How are we protected from the 51% vote? By the Judicial System? I’ll be interested in your answer. Thanks.

11. Strawman:

“Lily, no misunderstanding. Vivo is a leftist troll. Don’t expect honest or intelligent argument.”

You never understood me. Categorizing me as a troll and a leftist is very stereotypical.

I’m proud being called a troll because it means that you found ideas that don’t mesh with yours and are afraid to explore. I’m definitely more to the Left than the Right, but I’m not obsessed. I can change my mind if you have lucid, logical arguments. It happens once in a while.

16. Huh: can you read English?

By: Huh

Huh — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:50:36 +0000

“Lets make sure President Obama keeps to himself,and let the killings begin…have a nice day!”

That was Obama’s strategy for Iran. Here he is proactively going after the Hope and Change! You clearly do not understand the meaning of the word “dictator”. Also, are you saying that Micheletti is a dictator (let’s leave aside your confusion with the term for now) AND that he is “right-wing”? He is a member of the same party as Zelaya–so Zelaya is a right-winger!! Or, was Micheletti just a plant.

Gee, progressive thinking is so nuanced.

By: AndyG

AndyG — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:15:56 +0000

The contrasts between how our present administration is handling Iran compared to Honduras is showing the world what they are really made of. I guess the democrats must not be thinking about the USA hispanic /latin american voters. Their handling of this crisis has been inept and standing on the side of despots like hugo and raul will not be forgotten when the next elections come. So many “hispanic americans” came here to escape from those types of governments. They will not forget how this is played out. This is far from over and nobody can really tell where its going to wind up. Still at least several more rolls of the dice to go. The stakes just get higher. Too bad we have such a amateur in our executive office.

By: ferdsblog

ferdsblog — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:12:15 +0000

“Chavez Chess” is a note I’ve written that describes what is going on strategically. Honduras is an important piece of the puzzle for Chavez and Obama is getting this wrong:

http://ferdsblog.wordpress.com/

By: leftonright

leftonright — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:03:00 +0000

folks,fear not for honduras…Im sure once we get a rich right wing land baron in as the new president things will get back to normal. Tortures and people dissapering,never to be heard from again,will make all happy.We love those Latin American dictators.As long as they are “our” dictator,things will be ok. You get these pesky left wing nuts trying to level the field with an extra piece of bread for the people and all hell breaks loose..most of you folks are right,” SCREW THE POOR”.We are more concerned about the “legality” of the takeover,than the suffering it is bringing to the people..Right wing all the way!Bet you guys cant wait till the crying mothers walk with the signs asking for the whereabouts of their sons and daughters…Lets keep Zelaya out.Lets make sure President Obama keeps to himself,and let the killings begin…have a nice day!

By: progressoverpeace

progressoverpeace — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:29:31 +0000

I would love to hear someone directly question Gibbels or The Precedent as to why they fully support Zelaya’s attempted coup. It’s time to stop allowing these morons to smear the legal and constitutional actions of the Honduran supreme court and parliament by calling their fending off of Zelaya’s coup to be a “coup”.

Harvard must be very proud that they have graduated a “Constitutional scholar” who not only doesn’t know the US Constitution, but doesn’t seem able to understand the Honduran Constitution, either.
And the press doesn’t seem able to figure any of this out, either. It is absolutely pathetic.

Hang in there, Honduras. The ray of light emanating from your nation, in defense of your Constitution and your refusal to buckle to the insane and illegitimate demands of other nations, is a hopeful sign in the all-too dark world of today. Tell the OAS, the UN, the EU, and The Precedent to shove it. They are not interested in your liberty, only in completing Zelaya’s coup for him. Stand strong. You have support from those who appreciate liberty and respect for the rule of law.

By: gcblues

gcblues — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:14:02 +0000

as someone living in central america i would point something neither the writer or posters have mentioned.
most constitutions have a legal method for removing a president guilty of illegal behavior. in the united states it is the impeachment process.
the honduran constitution specifically adresses the process. the power of removal there is in the supreme court. they issue the finding, the congresional leader is next in succession. only the supreme court can order the removal, they have the sole right to have the police or armed forces to enforce their finding. the hondurans followed honduran law. to call it a coup simply reveals peoples ideology and stupidity.

By: Huh

Huh — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:01:01 +0000

Mr. Prieto, thanks for posting on this.

Remarkable silence on the Iranian “election” and
misplaced, self-righteous indignation on the (legal)
Honduran action to maintain their constitutional democracy.
That is what we get from this administration.
Hope and Change!!!

How pathetic is our current leadership.

Lily, don’t waste your time with leftonright—a transparent hack.
Vivo may be interested in escaping from his/her ignorance, I
do not know, but this

“Micheletti broke the democratic process by staging a coup.”

And this:

“So, take your pick: democracy or no democracy?”

Are laughable, and suggest that he/she might not be.

Vivo, you suggested that Micheletti’s “right-wing” forces have
been doing this for decades in Latin America. Are you aware that
Micheletti is a leader in the SAME political party that Zelaya
represents!