I remember being a poll worker for the Republican party (for Pres. Ford). Then somebody cracked a Jew joke and I realized how really welcome I was. I spent the next 40 years being a good Democrat. That was forty years on working against the Republican party. It was Clinton who made me realize where my heart really was, and I became a Republican again. To my surprise I found other Jewish Republicans and that our numbers were steadily increasing. Jews used to vote 95% Democrat. Now its down to 80% and the number keeps dwindling. The more Orthodox side with the Republican party.

My feeling is that Obama will eventually alienate the Jews. If we can recruit another thirty percent, the Jewish vote will be a push. The money balance will go along with its vote.

We need to educate the minorities that will listen, bring in Hispanics, Blacks and any other group out there. We can’t afford to sit back and let things happen. How does a conservative ACORN sound we could call it POPCORN.

As far as uniting and fighting, I hate, hate, hate politics and politicians, find the whole pomp and circumstance of the state mind-numbingly boring and think everyone enamored of the state is boring as well and needs to have their head examined. I’m a businessman and I can’t stand any of these idiots telling me what I can and can’t do, other than within a very basic framework of contracts and property rights.

The only reason I pay so much attention to it is because those a**holes have power. I’ve never volunteered for anything political before the 2008 campaign, when I made some calls on McCain’s behalf because I hated Obama even more than the average level of hate I have toward every politician. I also will be attending the Tea Party in my city.

Lets deal in fact. (For the sake of this argument, I’ll accept the broad comments on the Wikipedia regarding our Founders as “facts”).

For background, 55 delegates drafted the 1787 Constitutional convention, 39 of which signed the actual document.

“The 55 delegates who drafted the Constitution included most of the outstanding leaders, or Founding Fathers, of the new nation. Thomas Jefferson, who was in France during the convention, characterized the delegates as an assembly of “demi-gods.”[1]” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Convention

“Lambert (2003) has examined the religious affiliations and beliefs of the Founders. Some of the 1787 delegates had no affiliation. The others were Protestants except for three Roman Catholics: C. Carroll, D. Carroll, and Fitzsimons. Among the Protestant delegates to the Constitutional Convention, 28 were Church of England (Episcopalian, after the Revolutionary War was won), eight were Presbyterians, seven were Congregationalists, two were Lutherans, two were Dutch Reformed, and two were Methodists, the total number being 49. Some of the more prominent Founding Fathers were anti-clerical or vocal about their opposition to organized religion, such as Thomas Jefferson[10][11] (who created the “Jefferson Bible”), and Benjamin Franklin[12]. However, other notable founders, such as Patrick Henry, were strong proponents of traditional religion. Several of the Founding Fathers considered themselves to be deists or held beliefs very similar to that of deists.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founding_Fathers_of_the_United_States

Your quote from Washington does not mention Christ, Christianity or God. The Founders were deists, who understood that the Bible is not the literal word of God, and understood the “God of Nature” to be the creator of all things.

Pretending that our nation was founded by Christians does not make it so. I’ve quoted a number of the founders above, who clearly are not believers in Christianity.

The revisionist tendency to remake the founders as Christians is a disservice to our history and culture. The USA is a secular nation, and has been so since it was founded.

Peace.

DS

PS – You don’t want to ignore me – you’d miss having someone to disparage.

But that’s beyond the point. The idea that america is defined by the majority is antithetical to the concept of America. Our founding motto is “out of many, one” not “out of many, a majority”

Here’s a little something for you to chew on. It’s a quote from George Washington’s Farewell Address.

“Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”

Yes, they were Christian. Some of them were Deists, but with a strong underpinning of Christianity.

Just another typical lie from David S., a typical lying lefty bastard who wouldn’t recognize the truth if if came up and bit him.

Note for PJM: an “ignore” feature allowing one to dispense with the trolls on this board would certainly make for a great improvement.

If we do not do something to rescue our country, no one else will. Certainly not an irresponsible, uncontrolled, and undisciplined Congress. Because they are the ones pushing us closer and closer to bankruptcy. So will we stand around and watch? Or will we do something about it? I, for one, choose to do something about it.

Push Back Until!

I suggest President Barrack Hussein Obama speaks only for himself when he outlandishly declared on April 6th that, “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

You are wrong. Obama speaks for myself as well as many others when he declares that the USA is not a Christian nation. It never has been.

What is irrefutable is that his heritage and background were distinctly Islamic. His late mother is reputed to have been an atheist, an atheist who happened to marry not one but two Muslim men. Other influences in his life, his African relatives in Kenya as well as his father’s Islamic roots, his years spent in Muslim Indonesia, his Muslim roomies in college, point to the possibility that America’s new leader had more than a smidgen of the Q’uran in his blood.

There is nothing in Obama’s biography to indicate that his broad exposure to world culture has reduced his ability to faithfully execute the office of the President. I’m glad we have a President with more than a superficial understanding of the Muslim world.

I’m tired of beating the dead horse proffered by those who deny America’s, and our Founding Fathers’ essential Christianity.

Then stop trying to argue that the Founders were essentially Christian. They weren’t.

“It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God against the evils of the Bible.” – Thomas Paine
“The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves…these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ.” – Thomas Jefferson
“This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!” – John Adams
“Religion and government will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.” – James Madison

Obama is correct to assert and defend the notion that America is not, and never has been, a Christian nation. We should be proud of our noble secular history. Denying our rational roots will only lead to disaster.

Peace.

DS