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	<title>Comments on: Trickle Down Despair: Lessons From a Peruvian Hospital Bed</title>
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		<title>By: David Kirkham</title>
		<link>http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/trickle-down-despair-lessons-from-a-peruvian-hospital-bed/comment-page-1/#comment-329578</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kirkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 16:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t.g.

I can not tell you how happy it makes me to hear such good news from that corner of the world.  When I was there I witnessed suffering beyond imagination.  Yet somehow, living under such dispassionate governmental intrusions, the Peruvian people never ceased to amaze me with their grace, humility, and kindness. I particularly remember one day having to cross a muddy beach when the man we were with took off his own sandals (made from old worn out car tires) and insisted I put them on to spare my shoes from the mud.  He then walked home--barefoot--across the glass and rock strewn beach.

I always told myself one day I would return.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t.g.</p>
<p>I can not tell you how happy it makes me to hear such good news from that corner of the world.  When I was there I witnessed suffering beyond imagination.  Yet somehow, living under such dispassionate governmental intrusions, the Peruvian people never ceased to amaze me with their grace, humility, and kindness. I particularly remember one day having to cross a muddy beach when the man we were with took off his own sandals (made from old worn out car tires) and insisted I put them on to spare my shoes from the mud.  He then walked home&#8211;barefoot&#8211;across the glass and rock strewn beach.</p>
<p>I always told myself one day I would return.</p>
<p>David Kirkham</p>
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		<title>By: t.g.</title>
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		<dc:creator>t.g.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 09:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David

I&#039;ve been there this january, according a lima newspaper (comercio) the poverty diminished in &quot;crisis mundial&quot;. The citizens have more cash, more jobs! We&#039;ve been at asia beach a few miles south of lima; at wong (air conditioned supermarket) you could buy variations of local food, fish, vegetables; they have variations of peruvian beer, not only pilsen and crystal. 

It seem to be the effect of a flat (20%) tax system and fiscal transparency on each level. So a mayor to be reelected has to show how he spent the money. Nowadays the people demand more police because they paid for it. 

This applies even for churches: At a blockboard of a local church there was a report of the last fundraiser with detailed report on all expenses and earnings. 

If you can afford to go just go. You&#039;ll be surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been there this january, according a lima newspaper (comercio) the poverty diminished in &#8220;crisis mundial&#8221;. The citizens have more cash, more jobs! We&#8217;ve been at asia beach a few miles south of lima; at wong (air conditioned supermarket) you could buy variations of local food, fish, vegetables; they have variations of peruvian beer, not only pilsen and crystal. </p>
<p>It seem to be the effect of a flat (20%) tax system and fiscal transparency on each level. So a mayor to be reelected has to show how he spent the money. Nowadays the people demand more police because they paid for it. </p>
<p>This applies even for churches: At a blockboard of a local church there was a report of the last fundraiser with detailed report on all expenses and earnings. </p>
<p>If you can afford to go just go. You&#8217;ll be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Montbriand</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Montbriand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 07:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venezuela will look like the picture you describe in a few years.  With their oil wells producing less each years, the one thing keeping them afloat will soon go away.  Perhaps Pat Robertson was right, even if it&#039;s not something that should be spoken out loud.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venezuela will look like the picture you describe in a few years.  With their oil wells producing less each years, the one thing keeping them afloat will soon go away.  Perhaps Pat Robertson was right, even if it&#8217;s not something that should be spoken out loud&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: David Kirkham</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Kirkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t.g.

I have always wanted to return to Peru.  Nothing would make me happier than to see those kind people prosperous.

Saber,

Undeniably, the Shining Path was the cause of grievous suffering in the country.  Socialism bankrupted Peru and left many people desolate.  Some, living in abject poverty, tragically turned to unspeakable violence.   The government imposed draconian laws and curfews, further strangling both their people and economy.  As always, it was the poor who bore the brunt of their infernal socialist designs.

David Kirkham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t.g.</p>
<p>I have always wanted to return to Peru.  Nothing would make me happier than to see those kind people prosperous.</p>
<p>Saber,</p>
<p>Undeniably, the Shining Path was the cause of grievous suffering in the country.  Socialism bankrupted Peru and left many people desolate.  Some, living in abject poverty, tragically turned to unspeakable violence.   The government imposed draconian laws and curfews, further strangling both their people and economy.  As always, it was the poor who bore the brunt of their infernal socialist designs.</p>
<p>David Kirkham</p>
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		<title>By: Avitar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avitar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama does not care!  When Charlie Gibson told him that raising the Capital Gains taxes lowers Government Revenue and lowing it increases government revenue Obama said that he would do it because it was &quot;Fair&quot;.  

Mike Savage says that liberalism is a mental disorder. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different outcomes is certainly a definition of insanity.  

I on the other hand observe that in 90% of societies the rulers raise the taxes so high that the societies fall off the high side of the Laffer curve and are forced down to a subsistence level of life of about $500 per capita.  This must be a birth defect.  I think we should practice eugenics of a sort where the descendents of politicians who raise taxes are never allowed to seek Government employment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama does not care!  When Charlie Gibson told him that raising the Capital Gains taxes lowers Government Revenue and lowing it increases government revenue Obama said that he would do it because it was &#8220;Fair&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Mike Savage says that liberalism is a mental disorder. Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different outcomes is certainly a definition of insanity.  </p>
<p>I on the other hand observe that in 90% of societies the rulers raise the taxes so high that the societies fall off the high side of the Laffer curve and are forced down to a subsistence level of life of about $500 per capita.  This must be a birth defect.  I think we should practice eugenics of a sort where the descendents of politicians who raise taxes are never allowed to seek Government employment.</p>
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		<title>By: WR Jonas</title>
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		<dc:creator>WR Jonas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 20:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Marc Malone has it absolutely right. Nothing fazes Liberals who have the power to ignore and disregard the truth. It is their religion and America is about to get a giant Socialist enema . Their version of the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Marc Malone has it absolutely right. Nothing fazes Liberals who have the power to ignore and disregard the truth. It is their religion and America is about to get a giant Socialist enema . Their version of the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: homeroclon</title>
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		<dc:creator>homeroclon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>reading these comments  ...¨why don´t our leaders learn from the past´ 

well you people are too kind and too naive.

your/our leaders don´t actually care  ...they say they will do better but never have any intention of trying to do better.

do you really think any of the dictators or fascist of the last hundred years really cared about anyone but themselves ?  get a grip they do not

I´m in Peru now  ...the problems here grow faster then the solutions. (I am not advocating anything but free enterprise capitalism  ...too bad there is so much corruption which the leftists use to say capitalism doesn´t work)

well I see the USA may look like Peru if</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reading these comments  &#8230;¨why don´t our leaders learn from the past´ </p>
<p>well you people are too kind and too naive.</p>
<p>your/our leaders don´t actually care  &#8230;they say they will do better but never have any intention of trying to do better.</p>
<p>do you really think any of the dictators or fascist of the last hundred years really cared about anyone but themselves ?  get a grip they do not</p>
<p>I´m in Peru now  &#8230;the problems here grow faster then the solutions. (I am not advocating anything but free enterprise capitalism  &#8230;too bad there is so much corruption which the leftists use to say capitalism doesn´t work)</p>
<p>well I see the USA may look like Peru if</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Malone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Malone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not arrogance.  It is faith.  Socialism is a religion.  Facts don&#039;t matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not arrogance.  It is faith.  Socialism is a religion.  Facts don&#8217;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Shaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Socialist Liberals believe Socialism when done in the past is somehow done wrongly by previous arrogant snobs; therefore, in their own arrogance, repeat the same mistakes over &amp; over again--never learning Socialism is failure. The Democrats will still think so when their Socialist agenda implodes before their own eyes. Arrogance rears its head again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Socialist Liberals believe Socialism when done in the past is somehow done wrongly by previous arrogant snobs; therefore, in their own arrogance, repeat the same mistakes over &amp; over again&#8211;never learning Socialism is failure. The Democrats will still think so when their Socialist agenda implodes before their own eyes. Arrogance rears its head again.</p>
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		<title>By: johnb</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember it well.  I was working in Peru in 1975-76 during the revolution.

The medical care wasn&#039;t any better before the author&#039;s experience either.

Tainted water was a fact of life you either dealt with, or you got sick.   I remember visiting a doctor in Lima regarding an ongoing problem I had, (my fear was Hep-C), only to be told by the doctor that the reason I was not getting better was that I must have sinned and God was punishing me.  

I left for the USA on the next available plane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember it well.  I was working in Peru in 1975-76 during the revolution.</p>
<p>The medical care wasn&#8217;t any better before the author&#8217;s experience either.</p>
<p>Tainted water was a fact of life you either dealt with, or you got sick.   I remember visiting a doctor in Lima regarding an ongoing problem I had, (my fear was Hep-C), only to be told by the doctor that the reason I was not getting better was that I must have sinned and God was punishing me.  </p>
<p>I left for the USA on the next available plane.</p>
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