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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel compelled to answer as many of these comments are out of line. The fighter pilot question is not why they were disqualified. Many, if not most, of the applicants answer yes to that question.

First, with any process like this, you have to err on one of two sides. Allowing unqualified participants in to make certain you don&#039;t disqualify those who shouldn&#039;t be a part, or disallowing a few qualified individuals to keep any unqualified out. With this program, for what should be obvious reasons, the err is on the side of safety. 

Let me ask you something. You have to trust someone with security information as part of this program. When someone who is disqualified goes straight to the press, you know what that tells us? We made the right choice.

Just because someone can handle a gun does not make them qualified for the program. Allowing someone to become a pilot up to the commercial level and handle an aircraft is not in our hands. Allowing someone to take a firearm on board is. 

Many of you have passed judgment on the program from a one page article. Many of you have somehow used this one page article to color many other aspects of reality, such as health care and liberals. That kind of thinking is something not wanted in an officer at any level. The bias and willing to judge with few details. Shoot first, ask questions later. 

What you don&#039;t know is the supporters of the program in the Senate and Congress have largely been Democrats. Feel free to investigate how your favorite representative has supported the program and who is currently trying to get rid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel compelled to answer as many of these comments are out of line. The fighter pilot question is not why they were disqualified. Many, if not most, of the applicants answer yes to that question.</p>
<p>First, with any process like this, you have to err on one of two sides. Allowing unqualified participants in to make certain you don&#8217;t disqualify those who shouldn&#8217;t be a part, or disallowing a few qualified individuals to keep any unqualified out. With this program, for what should be obvious reasons, the err is on the side of safety. </p>
<p>Let me ask you something. You have to trust someone with security information as part of this program. When someone who is disqualified goes straight to the press, you know what that tells us? We made the right choice.</p>
<p>Just because someone can handle a gun does not make them qualified for the program. Allowing someone to become a pilot up to the commercial level and handle an aircraft is not in our hands. Allowing someone to take a firearm on board is. </p>
<p>Many of you have passed judgment on the program from a one page article. Many of you have somehow used this one page article to color many other aspects of reality, such as health care and liberals. That kind of thinking is something not wanted in an officer at any level. The bias and willing to judge with few details. Shoot first, ask questions later. </p>
<p>What you don&#8217;t know is the supporters of the program in the Senate and Congress have largely been Democrats. Feel free to investigate how your favorite representative has supported the program and who is currently trying to get rid of it.</p>
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		<title>By: FFDO Program in Peril? Always. &#187; The Aviation Nation</title>
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		<dc:creator>FFDO Program in Peril? Always. &#187; The Aviation Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 22:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I do know, and have written extensively about, is that the FFDO has always battled extinction because of the TSA &#8212; not because of Obama or [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I do know, and have written extensively about, is that the FFDO has always battled extinction because of the TSA &#8212; not because of Obama or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The TSA Follies &#124;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The TSA Follies &#124;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What struck me as equally bizarre about Captain X&#8217;s predicament is that in addition to being an airline captain, he&#8217;s a firearms instructor in his home state. He&#8217;s been handling and using guns since he was old enough to hunt. And in order to keep his skills current, he maintains rigorous training with a personal firearms coach who is the number one competitive pistol shooter in the state. Captain X owns guns, he trains people to shoot guns, and his state licenses him to carry a gun. But the TSA says he can&#8217;t carry a weapon in a lock box in the cockpit of the aircraft he&#8217;s flying on any given day because he&#8217;s psychologically unfit to carry that gun. &#8212; Pajamas Media [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What struck me as equally bizarre about Captain X&#8217;s predicament is that in addition to being an airline captain, he&#8217;s a firearms instructor in his home state. He&#8217;s been handling and using guns since he was old enough to hunt. And in order to keep his skills current, he maintains rigorous training with a personal firearms coach who is the number one competitive pistol shooter in the state. Captain X owns guns, he trains people to shoot guns, and his state licenses him to carry a gun. But the TSA says he can&#8217;t carry a weapon in a lock box in the cockpit of the aircraft he&#8217;s flying on any given day because he&#8217;s psychologically unfit to carry that gun. &#8212; Pajamas Media [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The TSA Follies - Homeland Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The TSA Follies - Homeland Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 00:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] What struck me as equally bizarre about Captain X&#8217;s predicament is that in addition to being an airline captain, he&#8217;s a firearms instructor in his home state. He&#8217;s been handling and using guns since he was old enough to hunt. And in order to keep his skills current, he maintains rigorous training with a personal firearms coach who is the number one competitive pistol shooter in the state. Captain X owns guns, he trains people to shoot guns, and his state licenses him to carry a gun. But the TSA says he can&#8217;t carry a weapon in a lock box in the cockpit of the aircraft he&#8217;s flying on any given day because he&#8217;s psychologically unfit to carry that gun. &#8212; Pajamas Media [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] What struck me as equally bizarre about Captain X&#8217;s predicament is that in addition to being an airline captain, he&#8217;s a firearms instructor in his home state. He&#8217;s been handling and using guns since he was old enough to hunt. And in order to keep his skills current, he maintains rigorous training with a personal firearms coach who is the number one competitive pistol shooter in the state. Captain X owns guns, he trains people to shoot guns, and his state licenses him to carry a gun. But the TSA says he can&#8217;t carry a weapon in a lock box in the cockpit of the aircraft he&#8217;s flying on any given day because he&#8217;s psychologically unfit to carry that gun. &#8212; Pajamas Media [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Don Gwinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Gwinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, you missed a couple of important things.

1.  Yes, being a competent firearms instructor who deals with tactical use of firearms DOES qualify you to carry a firearm on a plane.  An airplane is no different than any other crowded area in terms of carrying, deploying, or using firearms.  The fact that you don&#039;t know that suggests that you&#039;re not familiar with the issue.

2.  The pilot you smeared was doing what the TSA requires of ALL FFDO pilots when he fired his weapon.  He shouldn&#039;t have been doing it--it&#039;s dangerous, unnecessary, and a clear violation of the rules of gun safety--but it was the TSA bureaucracy that decreed that pilots would not be allowed to fly armed unless they inserted the hasp of a padlock through the trigger guards of loaded weapons at the end of each and every flight.  
Again, anyone who understands gun safety should refuse to do that, but it&#039;s not much of a defense of the TSA, since it was their requirement.
In effect, you&#039;ve bolstered Mrs. Jacobsen&#039;s point here by citing another example of the TSA&#039;s passive-aggressive policy of sabotaging the FFDO program.  There is no legitimate safety reason for their policy on putting padlocks through trigger guards; Ockham&#039;s Razor suggests that the requirement exists for the purpose of making it cumbersome and annoying to carry a handgun as a pilot--with the unintended consequence that they also managed to make it dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, you missed a couple of important things.</p>
<p>1.  Yes, being a competent firearms instructor who deals with tactical use of firearms DOES qualify you to carry a firearm on a plane.  An airplane is no different than any other crowded area in terms of carrying, deploying, or using firearms.  The fact that you don&#8217;t know that suggests that you&#8217;re not familiar with the issue.</p>
<p>2.  The pilot you smeared was doing what the TSA requires of ALL FFDO pilots when he fired his weapon.  He shouldn&#8217;t have been doing it&#8211;it&#8217;s dangerous, unnecessary, and a clear violation of the rules of gun safety&#8211;but it was the TSA bureaucracy that decreed that pilots would not be allowed to fly armed unless they inserted the hasp of a padlock through the trigger guards of loaded weapons at the end of each and every flight.<br />
Again, anyone who understands gun safety should refuse to do that, but it&#8217;s not much of a defense of the TSA, since it was their requirement.<br />
In effect, you&#8217;ve bolstered Mrs. Jacobsen&#8217;s point here by citing another example of the TSA&#8217;s passive-aggressive policy of sabotaging the FFDO program.  There is no legitimate safety reason for their policy on putting padlocks through trigger guards; Ockham&#8217;s Razor suggests that the requirement exists for the purpose of making it cumbersome and annoying to carry a handgun as a pilot&#8211;with the unintended consequence that they also managed to make it dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Here’s one story,” Dr. Hogan said, “There was this security guard in a nuclear power plant smoking weed. He came out of the bathroom just as something had gone wrong. The supervisor yelled ‘cut the valve!’ so the guard grabbed a pair of [pipe] cutters and literally cut the valve. That’s why we have personality tests.”

Wow, that must have been one hell of a strong security guard. To cut a valve that has thick cast metal, that guard must have been superman. And why would a supervisor in a nuke plant yell for someone to cut a valve and release a lot of pressure or fluid under pressure? 

Maybe I&#039;m missing something  but this story must have been concocted by someone smoking pot. I just can&#039;t believe this is an excuse for a psych test. But these psychs are out of touch of real life. My credentials are that I work in a chemical manufacturing facility that has its own power plant, so I know what valves look like. And I haven&#039;t seen one that can be cut by a pipe cutter in just seconds.

I suspect the TSA wants another 9/11 so they can make passengers more miserable. Of course if they just singled out the group of animals blowing up airplanes, male muslims, the rest of us could enjoy peace while flying.

But who would want to discriminate against people who are dying to kill us? LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Here’s one story,” Dr. Hogan said, “There was this security guard in a nuclear power plant smoking weed. He came out of the bathroom just as something had gone wrong. The supervisor yelled ‘cut the valve!’ so the guard grabbed a pair of [pipe] cutters and literally cut the valve. That’s why we have personality tests.”</p>
<p>Wow, that must have been one hell of a strong security guard. To cut a valve that has thick cast metal, that guard must have been superman. And why would a supervisor in a nuke plant yell for someone to cut a valve and release a lot of pressure or fluid under pressure? </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something  but this story must have been concocted by someone smoking pot. I just can&#8217;t believe this is an excuse for a psych test. But these psychs are out of touch of real life. My credentials are that I work in a chemical manufacturing facility that has its own power plant, so I know what valves look like. And I haven&#8217;t seen one that can be cut by a pipe cutter in just seconds.</p>
<p>I suspect the TSA wants another 9/11 so they can make passengers more miserable. Of course if they just singled out the group of animals blowing up airplanes, male muslims, the rest of us could enjoy peace while flying.</p>
<p>But who would want to discriminate against people who are dying to kill us? LOL</p>
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		<title>By: FreedomSight &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TSA Unencumbered by the Thought Process</title>
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		<dc:creator>FreedomSight &#187; Blog Archive &#187; TSA Unencumbered by the Thought Process</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] digging into the further follies of the Federal Flight Deck Officer’s program, run by the TSA. Unarmed Pilots, Unsafe Skies &#8212; Thanks to TSA. Jacobsen presents good evidence that the TSA has an institutional bias against the FFDO program. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] digging into the further follies of the Federal Flight Deck Officer’s program, run by the TSA. Unarmed Pilots, Unsafe Skies &#8212; Thanks to TSA. Jacobsen presents good evidence that the TSA has an institutional bias against the FFDO program. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Undaunted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Undaunted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Annie; as usual... great job.  The more layers you peel off this onion, the more it stinks.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Annie; as usual&#8230; great job.  The more layers you peel off this onion, the more it stinks.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Keif</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 04:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>” The TSA bills the American taxpayer approximately $350,000 per air marshal, per year. Armed pilots are volunteers and fly armed for free.&quot;  Why do you need to go any further?  This is the real reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>” The TSA bills the American taxpayer approximately $350,000 per air marshal, per year. Armed pilots are volunteers and fly armed for free.&#8221;  Why do you need to go any further?  This is the real reason.</p>
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		<title>By: John Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 19:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really can&#039;t imagine:

1. pipe cutters laying around a control room
2. a control room so understaffed that security guards are used for extra hands
3. security guards anywhere other than a gatehouse or on the perimeter of the plant

I&#039;ve been in plenty of coal fired power plants but never in a nuclear plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t imagine:</p>
<p>1. pipe cutters laying around a control room<br />
2. a control room so understaffed that security guards are used for extra hands<br />
3. security guards anywhere other than a gatehouse or on the perimeter of the plant</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been in plenty of coal fired power plants but never in a nuclear plant.</p>
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